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He is the man. 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.040 USA Today called him the most powerful talent in the 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.560 sports business just a year ago, and he followed it 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.040 up with his best year as a professional. He has 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:22.120 reshaped sports talk and it's the most socially engaged talent, 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:27.000 sports media talent and social media today. It really is incredible. 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.239 He is the face of ESPN. He is the man. 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:33.800 Please work on the money making conversation, my man, stephen 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.720 A Smith. What's going on, mane. I'm doing really good, 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:39.919 Steven there, you know, uh, you know, I know. He 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.240 just finished a couple of hours on first take, so 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:43.960 the energy is up there, you know every day you 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:46.240 let me tell you so, stephen A going into the show, 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.040 because you're pretty laid back guy. You're not You're not 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.800 the guy we see on TV for two hours. Correct, No, 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:55.360 not for not the guy you see on you know 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:57.720 for two hours. I know how to wind down and 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:01.360 relax and be a little mellow taste myself and conserve 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:03.680 my energy for one. It's time. I'm very big on that, 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.320 and it's really important because of the fact that you 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.200 have so much to say, but sometimes it's all about 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.440 sports and you know, and you know, I also have 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:14.120 conversations about, Hey man, I want to tell a different 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.240 story about my life. And so there's rumors there's a 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.720 book in the making. And why do you feel it's 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.480 important that you write a book. Well, I think there's 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.480 a lot of people that you know, talk about me, 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.240 and they have a lot of things to say. But 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:28.760 there are a lot of things that I don't talk 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.760 about on television or radio. There's a lot of things 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.400 that I don't get into particularly as extensively as I 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.520 would get into it, uh, and as it paints to 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.760 a book. So you know, people have been on me. 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.160 You're one of those people that have been all over 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.600 me about writing a book for years and years and years, 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.920 and so I finally, you know, during you know, once 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:55.320 this coronavirus UH kicked in and obviously the sports world 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.840 and the world overall has been brought to a halt 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.360 um to give me an opportunity to reflect and where 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:04.680 where's a lot of people are going through some hard times. 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.880 All of us are to some degree an incredible adjustment 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.240 that we all have to make it. I also look 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.520 for opportunities when they present themselves, and the opportunity to 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:18.080 sit down to hunker down and to be a bit introspective, 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.560 uh and and really really get into what I want 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.159 to say, why I want to say things that I 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:26.480 want to say, and how I want to go about 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:32.000 saying this. This, this coronavirus situation has afforded me the 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:36.000 opportunity to be more introspective than I've ever been. And 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:38.160 as a result, instead of thinking about the hustle and 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.919 bustle that exists in the real world, it allowed me 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.520 to step back, be a bit introverted and come out, 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.960 you know, swinging run It's time right, you know, you're 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.320 you know, really the thing that I always enjoyed when 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:54.520 I talk to you is about giving. And you understand 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.200 the role of the employer and the employee, and you 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.839 always promote employees giving one cent to the employ explained 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:04.279 to us exactly what you mean by that. Well, if 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:08.160 you're working for somebody else, you're not winning unless your 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:11.960 employer wins. And I understand, and I've learned to understand 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.400 that the hard way through trials and tribulations that I've 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:18.400 endured in my career. You're not winning if your employer 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:23.200 is losing. You must first ensure their success and then 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.680 master how to reach the benefits from it. That's really 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:30.240 it's really a two pronged agenda that you should have. 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.560 You shouldn't be about the business of getting yours without 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.760 getting these because that's not winners due. And you shouldn't 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:38.720 be about the business of ensuring that they get the 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.800 is but ignoring yourself, because that's not when what winners 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:47.080 do either. It's the collaborate. It's the collaboration of vote, ideas, agendas, 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:51.279 et cetera coming together that breeds true success. And even 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.360 if you became an entrepreneur, it's like thinking about your 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.320 bottom line without thinking about the consumer that you're looking 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.560 to patronize your product. That doesn't make any sense. You 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:04.200 can't possibly win as an entrepreneur if you're not giving 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.599 the consumer what they covered, because in the end, you're 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:11.680 not gonna have any kind of sustained success because you 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.719 paid attention to your needs instead of paying attention to 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:16.840 the needs of others. And when you learn to pay 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:20.320 attention to the needs of others, that ultimately it briefed 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:24.760 success because again you thought about something not instead of yourself, 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:29.600 but something that extends beyond yourself, thereby ensuring the success 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.280 of a multitude of people as opposed to you. So 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:36.360 if the ultimately hit a pitfall, a whole bunch of 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:41.640 folks that you initiated successful that you've benefited, not that 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.120 you just benefited Trump, but you made sure they've benefited 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.920 from you. You have them incentivized to uplift you and 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:51.840 to not keep you lying down. That means that basically, 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:53.760 even in because we always think about it, you know, 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:56.880 from an employee in forty hours week, I go do 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.120 my time, and you're saying, hey, do your time. If 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:02.560 you do mourning your and then the benefits of the employer, 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.480 of which means that that company can just sustain yourself longer, 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.200 which means that may be raises, maybe promotions available, but 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.680 if you're on, if you're on giving fifties, then who 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.239 is that benefit. It's not gonna benefit you. That's basically, 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.640 and that's one of the important reasons why I always 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.440 promote a career instead of a job, because the job 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:22.480 is doing what you have to do to sustain or 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.560 elevate your quality of life. But the career is doing 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:26.760 what you want to do, and it just so happens 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:28.960 to do those things as well. And the reason why 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.720 the career is important is because the job is when 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.120 you punch in the clock, you're looking at how much 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.679 time you have to dedicate to this particular task at hand, 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.880 and the days are longer and the hours are longer, 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:44.800 and just to plight of your responsibilities are far more 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.600 arduous and cumbersome. As a result of that, you can't 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.520 possibly be given a full fledged effort because you're operating 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.880 devoid of enthusiasm. But when you're doing the things that 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.400 you want to do, you're not paying as much attention 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.200 to the clock the time of the commitment that is 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:05.080 required because you're enjoying what you're doing, and therefore it 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.760 becomes almost effortless. And as a result, you're not thinking 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:10.880 about the eight hours or the nine hours that you 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.200 have to put in there. Sometimes you might put in 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:17.880 sixty seventy hours a week without even scratching, without even 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.800 batting an eye, because you're doing something that you're enjoying. 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.080 When I find people, you know, people can sit up 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.520 there and say, Okay, he's got some success, and you 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.720 know he's earned a little cash now and all of 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.080 this other stuff. But I swear to you, a shawan 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.520 the number one thing that has people envious or jealous 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.680 of me in my career. That I haven't counted is 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:41.360 that they know I enjoy my work. They can't say 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.480 the same in a lot of situations about themselves. It's 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.319 not the success I read. It's the fact that when 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.160 I've got to bust my tail and work hours upon 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.960 hours a day, it doesn't seem to phase me. The 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.840 sacrifices that I have to make, it doesn't seem to 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:00.520 phase me. It's not that it's literally true if certain 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.080 things will face you that time. I mean, you can 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:05.440 get time, you can get sleepy, you might be sick, 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:09.600 whatever the case may be. But overall, buying large, I'm 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.439 living a good life. It's not because of the money 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.240 I make. It's because of the enjoyment that I get 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:19.679 from earning my money first, and then obviously the money 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:22.760 comes after. It really amazingly that you know, when I 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:24.600 when I look at your brand, you know, and I've 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:27.880 watched you, we loaned you a long time and uh 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.800 when we've been both part of personal ups and downs 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.800 and each other's career and it supported each other in 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:39.199 both instances. So what makes you so popular now? Stephen A? 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:44.319 What you know? You know? What? What? What? What? What? 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.160 What made it pop? You know what made you explosive? 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.920 And you know you drop a video goes viral on Twitter. 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.160 You know your your likes and your followers explode on 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.200 Instagram because because in the Instagram accounde. You just started 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:03.959 Instagram account like two years ago, right, it wasn't that long. Well, well, 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:05.679 first of all, you would know because you're the one 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.280 that convinced me to start it. That's number one. Uh. 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.800 Number two, you would know a lot about my career 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.480 because you were there to help me when I was 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:15.640 down and out, which is why I brought you on 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.280 as my business manager, because you're somebody I can trust. 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:22.559 Number three, Um to answer the question directly. I think 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.200 people know I'm not a book artist, that I mean 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.880 what I say, and I say what I mean and 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.360 they know it, and and and and as a result, 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:33.880 I'm trustworthy. It doesn't mean that I'm gonna be right 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.720 of the time, a devoid of making mistakes or anything 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:42.000 like that. It means that people know I don't lollygag. 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.960 I put forth a full fledged effort. I strive to 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:50.040 be great at whatever I choose to do. I'm relentless 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:53.840 in my pursuit of it, and more importantly than anything else, 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:59.320 whatever I perceive as my truth based on the information 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:03.600 that I have a quiet people know and trust that 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:05.600 I'm going to give it to them. I don't let 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.480 them down in that regard. Even on the rare occasions 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:12.960 when I've been wrong, people see me say I was wrong, period. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.960 There's no excuses. This is what it is. And so 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:19.199 when you've been counter to somebody in this damn age 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.600 full of b s, when you see people around here 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.960 full of bs, you know, double talking, trying to take 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:29.360 short cut short cuts and and and and basically implement 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:33.840 a cliff notes version of things in their life, and 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:38.680 then you encounter somebody whose resume and whose persona tells 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:42.360 you I'm about anything but short cuts, and I'm gonna 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.079 be as real and as authentic as I possibly can be. 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:49.360 I think the number one ingredients to my success is 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:54.160 that people trust me to be exactly who the hell 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.400 I say I am, and they can appreciate that that 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:01.079 is absolutely the truth I have. I've been there, you know, Stephen, 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:02.880 I was trying to do this interview man, like I 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.080 don't really know yet, I'm trying I can get some 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.520 questions out there. You know, you have to tell everybody 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.080 about our little business together. Man, I'm just trying to 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.400 keep you know what, I'm not gonna do what I'm 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.679 not gonna do. And I've always and I've always been 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.760 big about that. Listen, there are people. Do you realize 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.960 there are people in my business radio and in television 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:27.480 there are people who have, for example, radio shows and 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:31.200 they have partners, but their name is on the radio 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.600 show and not the partner. Stuff like that. I don't 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:39.440 operate that way. I'm very, very very big on giving 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:44.400 people credit who deserve credit. People are showers. Timular an 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:48.360 interview with my colleague Dan Lebertar to ESPN just last week, 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.120 and I was talking about folks that and and mel 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:52.920 Khyper Jr. Was on the end with me the other 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.800 day and I was talking about how he's forgotten more 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.800 football than I know. Dan Lebertar was one of the 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:02.320 people that spearhead the way for people like myself to 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.559 further into this business. And they don't want to hear 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:09.679 stuff like that because you know, they're humble dudes, very accomplished, 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:13.040 but they're embarrassed to some degree by the praise I 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.840 give it to them anyway, because I know I'm humble, 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.480 and I want to make sure to remind people I 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.600 didn't get here alone. And I'm not gonna stay here 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.400 on top because I intend to be on top for 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:27.240 a long time. I'm not gonna stay here alone. The 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.839 people who helped me, I'm gonna carry right along with me, 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.480 because that's how I wrote Cool. We'll be back with 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:37.000 more of Stephen A. 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With auto dot ai, 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.440 you can search the meeting notes, insert images, playback the 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:35.920 audio and share them with your friends or coworkers. You 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:40.000 can capture action items, remember meeting details and keep everyone informed. 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.200 Auto dot ai works for in person or virtual meetings 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.120 like Zoom, Microsoft Teams, and Google Meet. Sign up for 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.680 free at auto dit ai or download the app for 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.360 free auto dot Ai. That's O T T E R 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:55.080 dot Ai. Hi does ra Sean McDonald and you're listening 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.600 to money making conversations? Steven A. Smith is my guest, 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:01.960 Um steven E, when do we show you? Take it? 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.320 A couple of weeks ago, you appeared on and at 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.760 the end of the show, I'm sure it caught your God, 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.800 she started crying when you complimented your son. You know, 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.080 did that catch you off? What? What was your reaction 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:16.040 to that? I'm sure it was a good reaction, but 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.440 it was it caught me off, It cut me off guard. 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:24.040 I really really appreciated, Um. I really appreciated what I 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.760 considered to be a very authentic reaction on her part, 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.800 because regardless of what she's going through in her life 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.040 or what she's going through in her life at particular moment, 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:35.560 in particular moments, first of all, she is a great 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:40.480 talent um and number two, she has always pledged and 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:44.480 has displayed in undying devotion to her son. I know 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.040 her son is a fan of mine, that he's a 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:50.800 sports fan, um and and he's already a couple of 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:52.960 times I met him once or twice. He was incredibly 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.720 kind and plus he's a young kid on the come 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.200 up that has a promise in life ahead of him 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:01.120 because of the life's his mama has provided for him. 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.520 And so I just wanted to pay you know, she 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:05.879 was kind enough to have me on her show, and 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.520 I wanted to take the opportunity to pay tribute to 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:12.400 her um as a mom by just showing her son 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:16.000 some love. Because if you know anything about mama's it's 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.480 very very important to them that their children received some love. 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.199 And so he deserves it. Um, he deserves it, and 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.040 I wanted to make sure that I gave it to him. 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.000 But I did not expect that reaction, but I did 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:30.120 consider it very authentic on her part and very very real. 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:32.840 And I was honored that she had me on her show, 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.720 um And I was honored that she was touched by, 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.000 you know, my cond words towards her son. Because Wendy 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.960 Williams is a person that can't create controversial about type 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:46.960 of question to ask, and and this interview was was 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.480 a powerful interview from the standpoint of you allowed to 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.280 be stephen A and she was allowed to be windy, 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:53.960 and it came across as an authentic interview that what 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:58.639 you always talk about maintaining well, I will say this, 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.399 and i'll say this, this don her reputation and I 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.680 get all of that. But you know, there's nothing wrong 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:08.040 with saying no comment. There's nothing wrong with saying I'm 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.200 not going there and if necessary, none of your business. 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.440 And so she she didn't take me to that point, 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.360 but as she took me to that point, I'm perfectly 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:21.320 capable of saying I'm not broaching certain subjects about my 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.199 personal life or anything like that. I was glad that 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.600 she didn't do it, But if she had done it, 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:29.399 it would not have surprised me because that's part of 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.840 her show. And and and in fairness to her, it's 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.440 not like she's blind siding you with it. That's her show, 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:37.840 that's who she is. And if and if you come 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.560 on a show, you know, it's not like folks don't know. 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:45.359 In a lot of times, hosts get discredited and maligned 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:49.360 for being who they are. People knew exactly what they 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.960 were walking into, chose to walk into it anyway, and 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.639 didn't want to blame her. I'm not down with that 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:57.560 at all. I knew what the interview was going to 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.400 be about. She was very honest and forthcome think about 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:03.120 what the subject matter was going to be. She stayed 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.480 true to that, and I respect and I appreciate rather 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.600 the level of respect that she showed me, and I'm 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.560 thankful for it. Now let's get into a little basketball here. 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:16.919 The Last Dances is out there and m a documentary, 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:24.840 a documented series that wasn't now Shock. They had three 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.280 straight championship with the Lakers rolling on the debate and 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:32.600 you're saying that shocks Lakers. That's with Kobe yep I 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:37.879 couldn't do anything with the Bulls name and now with 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.080 the now, with the Bulls in their prime, nowhere on earth, 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:42.159 they would have got destroyed. Okay, cool, Let's let's just 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:46.080 break that down. So you had Shack. Who's gonna hold Shack? Well, 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.440 first of all, nobody's gonna hold Shock, but Shock was 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:50.560 gonna hold himself at the free throw line because he 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:54.160 was shooting about so free throws alone. Well, one thing. 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:57.240 You have to also take into account that Chicago had 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.760 at least the three sometimes the fourheaded monster. Why does 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:04.280 that matter with the big boys because they had two 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:06.800 fouls to give, So in other words, you could have 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:09.600 fouled Check all day long and he would just missed 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:12.919 free throws. Kobe wasn't yet in his prime. He was 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:17.280 a young, tremendous talent, but he hadn't really honed in 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:21.240 his skill as a superb basketball player and the second 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:23.800 greatest point off guard and it is to be a 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:27.920 basketball until later on, not before that particular moment in time. 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:32.480 Number four. Michael Jordan's was not only a prolific score 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.359 averaging thirty a game and thirty three per game in 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:40.120 the postseason. And not even remember Madgel, Jordan's averaged one 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:44.280 point seven three point shots per game in his career. 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:49.719 So he averaged over thirty a game shooting two pointers. Okay, 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:53.200 in this era you don't see that. And then considering 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:58.080 the road travel to prosperity, having a toughen yourself up 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.120 to go through the likes of the or Pistons, if 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:04.600 you recall, if you recall Shaquille O'Neil got swept in 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.280 the finals, by her chem a dream, the Lodger one 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.520 and the Houston Rockets. Your Houston Rockets, Kenney Smith, Robert Dory, 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:13.840 Maxwell Sam could sell a large one these boards. It 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:17.520 wasn't on Chicago's level. Let's be clear about that, Okay. 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.000 So when we look at it from that perspective and 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:25.000 Jordan and Pippot's ability to defend, along with the other 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.919 guys that just played their roles, the Lakers would not 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:31.200 have won more than one game in the series against them. 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:34.960 It would have been similar, very similar to what the 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:39.160 Detroit Pistons did to Shaq and Kobe and the Lakers 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.560 in two thousand and four. Well, then let's go to 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:48.919 the early years of magic Byron Scott, Michael Cooper. Kareem 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:53.000 I fueled your ball team. That would have been that 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:56.560 would have been a far more tougher matchup because of Kareem, 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:59.480 because there was no answer for Kareine. You wasn't gonna 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:01.320 send Karee to the free throw line. He was gonna 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:03.159