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I recognize that we all have 29 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: different definitions of success. For some, it's a sizable paycheck. 30 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: Mine is helping people wake up and inspiring them to 31 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: accomplish their goals and living their very best lives through 32 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: their passion. And that's what this show is all about. 33 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: I want you to stop tripping over small challenges and 34 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: prepare to rise above bigger obstacles that life is going 35 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: to present you. The Money Making Conversation interviews provide relatable 36 00:01:54,800 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: information to listener about career and financial planning, entrepreneurship, motivation, leadership, 37 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: overcoming the arts, and how to live a balanced life. 38 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: My next guest is on the phone on a daily 39 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: basis about business and life and sports. He is the man. 40 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: USA Today called him the most powerful talent in the 41 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: sports business just a year ago, and he followed it 42 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: up with his best year as a professional. He has 43 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: reshaped sports talk and it's the most socially engaged talent, 44 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: sports media talent and social media today. It really is incredible. 45 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: He is the face of ESPN. He is the man. 46 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: Please work on the money making conversation, my man, stephen 47 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: A Smith. What's going on, mane. I'm doing really good, 48 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: Steven there, you know, uh, you know, I know. He 49 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: just finished a couple of hours on first take, so 50 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: the energy is up there, you know every day you 51 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: let me tell you so, stephen A going into the show, 52 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: because you're pretty laid back guy. You're not You're not 53 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: the guy we see on TV for two hours. Correct, No, 54 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: not for not the guy you see on you know 55 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: for two hours. I know how to wind down and 56 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: relax and be a little mellow taste myself and conserve 57 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: my energy for one. It's time. I'm very big on that, 58 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: and it's really important because of the fact that you 59 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: have so much to say, but sometimes it's all about 60 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: sports and you know, and you know, I also have 61 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: conversations about, Hey man, I want to tell a different 62 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: story about my life. And so there's rumors there's a 63 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: book in the making. And why do you feel it's 64 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: important that you write a book. Well, I think there's 65 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people that you know, talk about me, 66 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: and they have a lot of things to say. But 67 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: there are a lot of things that I don't talk 68 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: about on television or radio. There's a lot of things 69 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: that I don't get into particularly as extensively as I 70 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: would get into it, uh, and as it paints to 71 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: a book. So you know, people have been on me. 72 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: You're one of those people that have been all over 73 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: me about writing a book for years and years and years, 74 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: and so I finally, you know, during you know, once 75 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: this coronavirus UH kicked in and obviously the sports world 76 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: and the world overall has been brought to a halt 77 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: um to give me an opportunity to reflect and where 78 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: where's a lot of people are going through some hard times. 79 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: All of us are to some degree an incredible adjustment 80 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: that we all have to make it. I also look 81 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: for opportunities when they present themselves, and the opportunity to 82 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: sit down to hunker down and to be a bit introspective, 83 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: uh and and really really get into what I want 84 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: to say, why I want to say things that I 85 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: want to say, and how I want to go about 86 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: saying this. This, this coronavirus situation has afforded me the 87 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: opportunity to be more introspective than I've ever been. And 88 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: as a result, instead of thinking about the hustle and 89 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: bustle that exists in the real world, it allowed me 90 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: to step back, be a bit introverted and come out, 91 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: you know, swinging run It's time right, you know, you're 92 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, really the thing that I always enjoyed when 93 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: I talk to you is about giving. And you understand 94 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: the role of the employer and the employee, and you 95 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: always promote employees giving one cent to the employ explained 96 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: to us exactly what you mean by that. Well, if 97 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: you're working for somebody else, you're not winning unless your 98 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: employer wins. And I understand, and I've learned to understand 99 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: that the hard way through trials and tribulations that I've 100 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: endured in my career. You're not winning if your employer 101 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: is losing. You must first ensure their success and then 102 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: master how to reach the benefits from it. That's really 103 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: it's really a two pronged agenda that you should have. 104 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: You shouldn't be about the business of getting yours without 105 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: getting these because that's not winners due. And you shouldn't 106 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: be about the business of ensuring that they get the 107 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: is but ignoring yourself, because that's not when what winners 108 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: do either. It's the collaborate. It's the collaboration of vote, ideas, agendas, 109 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: et cetera coming together that breeds true success. And even 110 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: if you became an entrepreneur, it's like thinking about your 111 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: bottom line without thinking about the consumer that you're looking 112 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: to patronize your product. That doesn't make any sense. You 113 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: can't possibly win as an entrepreneur if you're not giving 114 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: the consumer what they covered, because in the end, you're 115 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: not gonna have any kind of sustained success because you 116 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: paid attention to your needs instead of paying attention to 117 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: the needs of others. And when you learn to pay 118 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: attention to the needs of others, that ultimately it briefed 119 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: success because again you thought about something not instead of yourself, 120 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: but something that extends beyond yourself, thereby ensuring the success 121 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: of a multitude of people as opposed to you. So 122 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: if the ultimately hit a pitfall, a whole bunch of 123 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: folks that you initiated successful that you've benefited, not that 124 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: you just benefited Trump, but you made sure they've benefited 125 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: from you. You have them incentivized to uplift you and 126 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: to not keep you lying down. That means that basically, 127 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: even in because we always think about it, you know, 128 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: from an employee in forty hours week, I go do 129 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: my time, and you're saying, hey, do your time. If 130 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: you do mourning your and then the benefits of the employer, 131 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: of which means that that company can just sustain yourself longer, 132 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: which means that may be raises, maybe promotions available, but 133 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: if you're on, if you're on giving fifties, then who 134 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,239 Speaker 1: is that benefit. It's not gonna benefit you. That's basically, 135 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: and that's one of the important reasons why I always 136 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: promote a career instead of a job, because the job 137 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: is doing what you have to do to sustain or 138 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: elevate your quality of life. But the career is doing 139 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: what you want to do, and it just so happens 140 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: to do those things as well. And the reason why 141 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: the career is important is because the job is when 142 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: you punch in the clock, you're looking at how much 143 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,679 Speaker 1: time you have to dedicate to this particular task at hand, 144 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: and the days are longer and the hours are longer, 145 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: and just to plight of your responsibilities are far more 146 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: arduous and cumbersome. As a result of that, you can't 147 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: possibly be given a full fledged effort because you're operating 148 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: devoid of enthusiasm. But when you're doing the things that 149 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: you want to do, you're not paying as much attention 150 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: to the clock the time of the commitment that is 151 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: required because you're enjoying what you're doing, and therefore it 152 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: becomes almost effortless. And as a result, you're not thinking 153 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: about the eight hours or the nine hours that you 154 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: have to put in there. Sometimes you might put in 155 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: sixty seventy hours a week without even scratching, without even 156 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: batting an eye, because you're doing something that you're enjoying. 157 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: When I find people, you know, people can sit up 158 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: there and say, Okay, he's got some success, and you 159 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: know he's earned a little cash now and all of 160 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: this other stuff. But I swear to you, a shawan 161 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: the number one thing that has people envious or jealous 162 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: of me in my career. That I haven't counted is 163 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: that they know I enjoy my work. They can't say 164 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: the same in a lot of situations about themselves. It's 165 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: not the success I read. It's the fact that when 166 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: I've got to bust my tail and work hours upon 167 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: hours a day, it doesn't seem to phase me. The 168 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: sacrifices that I have to make, it doesn't seem to 169 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: phase me. It's not that it's literally true if certain 170 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: things will face you that time. I mean, you can 171 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: get time, you can get sleepy, you might be sick, 172 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. But overall, buying large, I'm 173 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: living a good life. It's not because of the money 174 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: I make. It's because of the enjoyment that I get 175 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: from earning my money first, and then obviously the money 176 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: comes after. It really amazingly that you know, when I 177 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: when I look at your brand, you know, and I've 178 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: watched you, we loaned you a long time and uh 179 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: when we've been both part of personal ups and downs 180 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: and each other's career and it supported each other in 181 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: both instances. So what makes you so popular now? Stephen A? 182 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: What you know? You know? What? What? What? What? What? 183 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: What made it pop? You know what made you explosive? 184 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: And you know you drop a video goes viral on Twitter. 185 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: You know your your likes and your followers explode on 186 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: Instagram because because in the Instagram accounde. You just started 187 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: Instagram account like two years ago, right, it wasn't that long. Well, well, 188 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: first of all, you would know because you're the one 189 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: that convinced me to start it. That's number one. Uh. 190 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: Number two, you would know a lot about my career 191 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: because you were there to help me when I was 192 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: down and out, which is why I brought you on 193 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: as my business manager, because you're somebody I can trust. 194 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: Number three, Um to answer the question directly. I think 195 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: people know I'm not a book artist, that I mean 196 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: what I say, and I say what I mean and 197 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: they know it, and and and and as a result, 198 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: I'm trustworthy. It doesn't mean that I'm gonna be right 199 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: of the time, a devoid of making mistakes or anything 200 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: like that. It means that people know I don't lollygag. 201 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: I put forth a full fledged effort. I strive to 202 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: be great at whatever I choose to do. I'm relentless 203 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: in my pursuit of it, and more importantly than anything else, 204 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: whatever I perceive as my truth based on the information 205 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: that I have a quiet people know and trust that 206 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to give it to them. I don't let 207 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: them down in that regard. Even on the rare occasions 208 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: when I've been wrong, people see me say I was wrong, period. 209 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: There's no excuses. This is what it is. And so 210 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: when you've been counter to somebody in this damn age 211 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: full of b s, when you see people around here 212 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: full of bs, you know, double talking, trying to take 213 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: short cut short cuts and and and and basically implement 214 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: a cliff notes version of things in their life, and 215 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: then you encounter somebody whose resume and whose persona tells 216 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: you I'm about anything but short cuts, and I'm gonna 217 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: be as real and as authentic as I possibly can be. 218 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: I think the number one ingredients to my success is 219 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: that people trust me to be exactly who the hell 220 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: I say I am, and they can appreciate that that 221 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: is absolutely the truth I have. I've been there, you know, Stephen, 222 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: I was trying to do this interview man, like I 223 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: don't really know yet, I'm trying I can get some 224 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: questions out there. You know, you have to tell everybody 225 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: about our little business together. Man, I'm just trying to 226 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: keep you know what, I'm not gonna do what I'm 227 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: not gonna do. And I've always and I've always been 228 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: big about that. Listen, there are people. Do you realize 229 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: there are people in my business radio and in television 230 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: there are people who have, for example, radio shows and 231 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: they have partners, but their name is on the radio 232 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: show and not the partner. Stuff like that. I don't 233 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: operate that way. I'm very, very very big on giving 234 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: people credit who deserve credit. People are showers. Timular an 235 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: interview with my colleague Dan Lebertar to ESPN just last week, 236 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: and I was talking about folks that and and mel 237 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: Khyper Jr. Was on the end with me the other 238 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: day and I was talking about how he's forgotten more 239 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: football than I know. Dan Lebertar was one of the 240 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: people that spearhead the way for people like myself to 241 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: further into this business. And they don't want to hear 242 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: stuff like that because you know, they're humble dudes, very accomplished, 243 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: but they're embarrassed to some degree by the praise I 244 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: give it to them anyway, because I know I'm humble, 245 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: and I want to make sure to remind people I 246 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: didn't get here alone. And I'm not gonna stay here 247 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: on top because I intend to be on top for 248 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: a long time. I'm not gonna stay here alone. The 249 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: people who helped me, I'm gonna carry right along with me, 250 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: because that's how I wrote Cool. We'll be back with 251 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: more of Stephen A. Smith and got some interesting conversation 252 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: because him and not getting some arguments on a regular 253 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: basis by sports TV everything because you think you know 254 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: as much as I know, and that's questionable at times. 255 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: Well I do know no more thing you go about sports, 256 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: more money making conversations. It's finally here, the season of celebration, 257 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: and no matter how you celebrate with family and friends, 258 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: whether you're preparing for Reis Magos or Karamu lighting the Manura, 259 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: are going to midnight Mass, Coals has just what you 260 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: need to make those traditions special. 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Take it? 293 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, you appeared on and at 294 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: the end of the show, I'm sure it caught your God, 295 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: she started crying when you complimented your son. You know, 296 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: did that catch you off? What? What was your reaction 297 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: to that? I'm sure it was a good reaction, but 298 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: it was it caught me off, It cut me off guard. 299 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: I really really appreciated, Um. I really appreciated what I 300 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: considered to be a very authentic reaction on her part, 301 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: because regardless of what she's going through in her life 302 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: or what she's going through in her life at particular moment, 303 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: in particular moments, first of all, she is a great 304 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: talent um and number two, she has always pledged and 305 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: has displayed in undying devotion to her son. I know 306 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: her son is a fan of mine, that he's a 307 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: sports fan, um and and he's already a couple of 308 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: times I met him once or twice. He was incredibly 309 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: kind and plus he's a young kid on the come 310 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: up that has a promise in life ahead of him 311 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: because of the life's his mama has provided for him. 312 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: And so I just wanted to pay you know, she 313 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: was kind enough to have me on her show, and 314 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to take the opportunity to pay tribute to 315 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: her um as a mom by just showing her son 316 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: some love. Because if you know anything about mama's it's 317 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: very very important to them that their children received some love. 318 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: And so he deserves it. Um, he deserves it, and 319 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that I gave it to him. 320 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: But I did not expect that reaction, but I did 321 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: consider it very authentic on her part and very very real. 322 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: And I was honored that she had me on her show, 323 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: um And I was honored that she was touched by, 324 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, my cond words towards her son. Because Wendy 325 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: Williams is a person that can't create controversial about type 326 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: of question to ask, and and this interview was was 327 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: a powerful interview from the standpoint of you allowed to 328 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: be stephen A and she was allowed to be windy, 329 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: and it came across as an authentic interview that what 330 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: you always talk about maintaining well, I will say this, 331 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: and i'll say this, this don her reputation and I 332 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: get all of that. But you know, there's nothing wrong 333 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: with saying no comment. There's nothing wrong with saying I'm 334 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: not going there and if necessary, none of your business. 335 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: And so she she didn't take me to that point, 336 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 1: but as she took me to that point, I'm perfectly 337 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: capable of saying I'm not broaching certain subjects about my 338 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: personal life or anything like that. I was glad that 339 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: she didn't do it, But if she had done it, 340 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: it would not have surprised me because that's part of 341 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: her show. And and and in fairness to her, it's 342 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: not like she's blind siding you with it. That's her show, 343 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: that's who she is. And if and if you come 344 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: on a show, you know, it's not like folks don't know. 345 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: In a lot of times, hosts get discredited and maligned 346 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: for being who they are. People knew exactly what they 347 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: were walking into, chose to walk into it anyway, and 348 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: didn't want to blame her. I'm not down with that 349 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: at all. I knew what the interview was going to 350 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: be about. She was very honest and forthcome think about 351 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: what the subject matter was going to be. She stayed 352 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: true to that, and I respect and I appreciate rather 353 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: the level of respect that she showed me, and I'm 354 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: thankful for it. Now let's get into a little basketball here. 355 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: The Last Dances is out there and m a documentary, 356 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: a documented series that wasn't now Shock. They had three 357 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: straight championship with the Lakers rolling on the debate and 358 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: you're saying that shocks Lakers. That's with Kobe yep I 359 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: couldn't do anything with the Bulls name and now with 360 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: the now, with the Bulls in their prime, nowhere on earth, 361 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: they would have got destroyed. Okay, cool, Let's let's just 362 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: break that down. So you had Shack. Who's gonna hold Shack? Well, 363 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: first of all, nobody's gonna hold Shock, but Shock was 364 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: gonna hold himself at the free throw line because he 365 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: was shooting about so free throws alone. Well, one thing. 366 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: You have to also take into account that Chicago had 367 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: at least the three sometimes the fourheaded monster. Why does 368 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: that matter with the big boys because they had two 369 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: fouls to give, So in other words, you could have 370 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: fouled Check all day long and he would just missed 371 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: free throws. Kobe wasn't yet in his prime. He was 372 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: a young, tremendous talent, but he hadn't really honed in 373 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: his skill as a superb basketball player and the second 374 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: greatest point off guard and it is to be a 375 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: basketball until later on, not before that particular moment in time. 376 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: Number four. Michael Jordan's was not only a prolific score 377 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: averaging thirty a game and thirty three per game in 378 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: the postseason. And not even remember Madgel, Jordan's averaged one 379 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: point seven three point shots per game in his career. 380 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:49,719 Speaker 1: So he averaged over thirty a game shooting two pointers. Okay, 381 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: in this era you don't see that. And then considering 382 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: the road travel to prosperity, having a toughen yourself up 383 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: to go through the likes of the or Pistons, if 384 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: you recall, if you recall Shaquille O'Neil got swept in 385 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: the finals, by her chem a dream, the Lodger one 386 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: and the Houston Rockets. Your Houston Rockets, Kenney Smith, Robert Dory, 387 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: Maxwell Sam could sell a large one these boards. It 388 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: wasn't on Chicago's level. Let's be clear about that, Okay. 389 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: So when we look at it from that perspective and 390 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: Jordan and Pippot's ability to defend, along with the other 391 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: guys that just played their roles, the Lakers would not 392 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: have won more than one game in the series against them. 393 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: It would have been similar, very similar to what the 394 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: Detroit Pistons did to Shaq and Kobe and the Lakers 395 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: in two thousand and four. Well, then let's go to 396 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: the early years of magic Byron Scott, Michael Cooper. Kareem 397 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: I fueled your ball team. That would have been that 398 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: would have been a far more tougher matchup because of Kareem, 399 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: because there was no answer for Kareine. You wasn't gonna 400 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: send Karee to the free throw line. He was gonna 401 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: miss it the per cent of the time. He's the 402 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: lone individual to all tom leading scorer in NBA history 403 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: and the only person in the history of basketball was 404 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: one unstoppable move which was Scott Hook. There was no 405 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: answer for that. That would have been problematic. Here's what 406 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: I can tell you. That fast break that you saw 407 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: for the Los Angeles Lakers that would not have happened 408 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: against That would not have happened against the Bulls because 409 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen. Remember that even though Magic was younger and 410 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't and nine. The key to that series after 411 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: Chicago and Laws gain one to the Lakers was that 412 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen picked up on Magic four feet. No one 413 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: did that to Magic, And if you recall, part of 414 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: Magic's greatness was that Magic was six nine, so he 415 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: could look over opposing point guards to run an offense 416 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: and to make those phenomenal passes that he made. With 417 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: Pippen in front of his seat, he would not have 418 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: been able to do that. And that's where you're problem 419 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: a lot. So I would tell you that the Lakers 420 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: would have given them more trouble with Worthy, Kareem Magic, Cooper, 421 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: Byron Scott in those boys, they would have gave it them. 422 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: They would have gave them more trouble. But I would 423 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: not bet against Jordan's because Jordan's and Tipping's defense was 424 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: so phenomenal, it would have been a problem. Cool and 425 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,239 Speaker 1: that's that's that's really great now when we look at 426 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 1: the show first take, you know, it was a groundbreaking 427 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: show when it first came out, and now it seems 428 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: to be emulated everywhere on ESPN, on Fox Sports. When 429 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: Skip Bayliss left the show, what were your thoughts when 430 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: you left the show and what are your thoughts now 431 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: being how big the show has grown and your brain 432 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: is grown and really become a phenomenal talent that you 433 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: are today. I was I have mixed emotions. Um, I 434 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: was not worried about skips affecting me and what I 435 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: do want to air because I don't predicate my abilities 436 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: on my success on what other people are doing. I'm 437 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: always prepared to carry my own load. But I had 438 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: mixed emotions because on one hand, I knew the show 439 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: would be on my shoulders. I would be captain of 440 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: the ship. The profile would be primarily, if not exclusively, 441 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: on my shoulders, and that would elevate my profile, but 442 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: also elevate the level of scrutiny that came in my direction, 443 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: which was fine. The flip side to it is that 444 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: I was genuinely going to miss my man, uh Skip Baylors. 445 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: I would not have been on First Stake if it 446 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: were not for Skip Baylis. Skip Baylors asked me to 447 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: do the show. He they would never have put me 448 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: on the show if Skip Baylor didn't insist that he 449 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: wanted me on the show. Because at that time I 450 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: had had a fallen out with ESPN over a contract dispute. 451 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: I was going for a couple of years. When I 452 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: came back. Initially they didn't even allow me to be 453 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: on television the first year I was strictly I was 454 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: restricted to radio. It was Skip Bayless that fought to 455 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: have me on TV, and Jamie harr With the executive 456 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: reducer of the show, ultimately co stigne on that and 457 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: as a result the Hanchos that ESPN decided to capitulate 458 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: to their wishes and bring me on the show. So 459 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: I fold my presence offers take to Skip Baylors. But 460 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: then also what people don't realize is that you could 461 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: call it a foil or whatever the case may be. 462 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: I'm a CounterPunch of one minute, I can punch the 463 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: next or whatever the case may be. With Skip on 464 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: the show. With me, I have the ability to swing 465 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: for the fences because I got somebody that's in the 466 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: trenches with me that does not care about what anyone 467 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: has to say if he believes what he truly believes. 468 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: And that's exactly how I think. There was no such 469 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: thing not show the show, not week to week, a 470 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: month and month, literally segment to segments. I could be 471 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,479 Speaker 1: the bad guy one segment, he was the bad guy another. 472 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: When the show ended, we were equally loved and equally hated, 473 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: and we were in it together. Max Kellerman as a tremendous, 474 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: tremendous talent. He slarters a whip, highly educated, Ivy League 475 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: school education, the whole bit, does his homework, works, knows 476 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: what he's talking about, and I like him genuinely as 477 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: a person. The only issue I have with Max is 478 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: that for the purpose of the first take is that 479 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: where skipping. I don't give a damn about what anybody 480 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: has to say. Max, kid is tremendously about what people 481 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: have to say. If you don't vibe with me and 482 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: you don't have the same opinion as I have, or 483 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: skip as we could give less than a dam If 484 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: you don't agree with Max. Max is like, how can 485 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: you not agree with me and feels this insatiable appetite 486 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: to explain to you why he's right, thinking that he 487 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: can convince you, Skipping, I don't care to convince you. 488 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: I think that makes for an ideal mix. It's not 489 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: better or worse or anything, but it's an ideal mix 490 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: that I don't believe can be duplicated. And that's why 491 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: he will always be my brother. We will always be 492 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: tight because I would not be where I am today, 493 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: um if it were not for first take, and there 494 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: would have been no first take for me if Skip. 495 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: Remember he didn't sign off on it. He pushed for it. 496 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: He insisted on it and asked me to do it. 497 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: I didn't want to do it, he asked me to 498 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: do it. First take is Stephen A. Smith. It's all 499 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: about Skip Baker's congratulations. Uh Stephen. A Game of Thrones 500 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: ended last year. It's a lot of controversy. Everybody hated 501 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: the ending, and I didn't like the Indian either. So 502 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: you can put me in everybody hated. You can put 503 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: him in that click, put him in that click. Homeland. 504 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: You know we're talking about this show. A lot of 505 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: Clara Danes to start the show. Phenomenal phenomenal. Now they 506 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: finally happened, and I'm gonna tell you this. It was 507 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: a couple of times in the show that I almost 508 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: turned it off because I was frustrated by the direction 509 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: it was taking the lead character, Claire. But in the end, 510 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: I thought it was a fantastic finally your thoughts, so 511 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: did I. I thought the ending was phenomenal because you 512 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: looked at what happened and her betrayed I, I know, 513 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: without even asking you, when you wanted to change the channel, 514 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: her willingness to, you know, do that to Saul, ultimately 515 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: ultimately compromising him. You know, the thing about it is 516 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: is this when you think about Saul and what he 517 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: has done for her and what he has meant to her. 518 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: For her to betray him that way, although it was 519 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: to prevent a war and prevent millions of people from dying, 520 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, and in the same breath, it's still disgusted 521 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: you that she would do that to him. But for 522 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: it to end with Hus saying, with Hus sending him 523 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: that note letting him know, I'm fine for you now 524 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: I replaced your asset in Russia. I thought that was 525 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,719 Speaker 1: a phenomenal ending and then left room obviously for Homeland 526 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: to come back the end, it's not the end after all. 527 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: While you know something if that was like a brilliant 528 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: writer move, you know, I was like, I didn't see 529 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: that coming. Um, you know, it was like it was 530 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,479 Speaker 1: a couple of episodes when he said, when Saul said that, 531 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: you know she's there, He's She's the most single minded 532 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: person I've ever met in my life. And they carried 533 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: that through the final episodes when she's on the mission 534 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: the bigger picture, right, Do I have a minute to 535 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: give you an analogy? Absolutely? The ending was so profound 536 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,239 Speaker 1: for me, not just because of that, but because of 537 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: her sitting next to her boyfriend who was the Russian 538 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: spot and smiling and laughing, but also the smirk that 539 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: came over Saul states at the end, and what I 540 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: compared that too. If you ever remember the movie The 541 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: Kingdom with Jamie Fox and in the and it's a 542 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: phenomenal movie, and Jamie Fox was phenomenal in it. He 543 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: tells the former girl for Alias. He tells her they said, 544 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: what did you say to her after her boyfriend had 545 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: gotten killed early in the movie, Jamie Fox said, I said, 546 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna kill him all and a little boy and 547 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: a little boy in the Middle East who watched his 548 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: grandfather killed by Jamie Fox and them. His mother asked him, 549 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: what did you say to your grand What did your 550 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: grandfather say to you? And the grandfather he said, the 551 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: grandfather said to me, we're gonna kill him, were we not? 552 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: My son, We're gonna kill them all. And then it 553 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: ends with the boy frowning and looking into the camera 554 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: and looking mad and evil as hell, showing you that 555 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: the conflict between us and the Middle East is not 556 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: going anywhere in his faith said it all. That was 557 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: what Homeland was like last night. It was powerful, it 558 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: was it was a great Endian. It was a great 559 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: like I said, you know me, man, I was I 560 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: was looking at the show man. 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