WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Marilyn McCoo & Billy Davis

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Quest Love Supreme. I'm your

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<v Speaker 2>host Quest Love.

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<v Speaker 1>We got this. Yeah, we still got Team Supreme with us. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you doing good? Doing good?

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<v Speaker 4>From the from the east, from the East coast, so

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<v Speaker 4>well looking forward?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wait, you're you're in the East Coast.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I'm doing I told you to the vaccinated. Visit buddy.

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<v Speaker 5>Everybody vaccinated.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, Mama, daddy, everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, Welcome back home.

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<v Speaker 3>That's rank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I pay bill you.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm also vaccinated. I feel fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, fan Ticolo, you cool.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm good man. I'm good man, enjoying some grilled chicken

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<v Speaker 6>and a salad.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice.

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<v Speaker 6>You're not trying to live better, you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm on day twelve of salad, just salad. What's up, Steve?

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<v Speaker 2>How's it going.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll be the only honest one to here and say

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<v Speaker 6>I am stressed out this anyway, everybody, I want to

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<v Speaker 6>get this done.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we're not stressed out. We're putting good vibrations out there.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that our distinguished guests are the founding

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<v Speaker 2>members of the legendary Grammy award winning Fifth Dimension. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>during the mid seventies, our guests left the group and

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<v Speaker 2>paired down to a duo. Released several Grammy caliber songs

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<v Speaker 2>like the Inescapable, You don't have to be a star

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<v Speaker 2>to be My Show your Love, I Hope we get

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<v Speaker 2>to love and time Shine on Silver Moon, plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>other seven Grammy nominations in total.

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<v Speaker 1>I would actually paraphrase and say that.

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<v Speaker 2>They are They are Jane Beyonce are the Billy and

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<v Speaker 2>merm mccow of now, not the opposite that they are

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<v Speaker 2>the Jade bad for real. They are absolute happiness, enjoy.

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<v Speaker 2>I consider them the first couple of pop and soul.

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<v Speaker 2>Their marriage has been strong for fifty plus, fifty plus years.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe fifty second coming this Jill anniversary.

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<v Speaker 1>That is amazing. And they're still releasing music Lazy and Gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 1>which is incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>They released a new collection of Lennon McCartney compositions, aptly

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<v Speaker 2>titled Blackbird Songs that were inspired by the turbulent experiences

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<v Speaker 2>that we've been through in the last year or so

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>What else can I say?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh not to mention they are a vital part of

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<v Speaker 2>the I hear it's an excellent documentary about Cultural Festival.

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<v Speaker 1>Nineteen sixty nine. I hear it's good, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>Anyway, this is the week it comes out, too.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, it comes out this week.

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<v Speaker 4>I hear it comes out this week.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. All right, cool, ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 2>He's welcome the legendary, the legendary Billy Davis Junior and

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<v Speaker 2>Marilyn mccou toquest left, Suprie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, thank you, thank you. Listen, you said you heard

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<v Speaker 3>about the doctor Vennery being good. You heard right.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna go see it for myself

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<v Speaker 2>all those things you said about us.

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<v Speaker 3>How much do we owe you?

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<v Speaker 2>I owe you, guys. I owe you guys. I really,

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<v Speaker 2>really really do love you guys. Actually, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>that one story? I don't. I know a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>you guys, But can you guys describe I know that

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<v Speaker 2>you guys were acquaintances before you got married, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>like no one starts off being married and then starts,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with friends. Can you guys describe the first

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<v Speaker 2>time that you met each other? Do you guys remember

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<v Speaker 2>the first day you met each other?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't remember the first day you met.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the newly white game was to hit him

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<v Speaker 2>on the head.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, don't forget, don't forget. It was fifty something years okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>was breaking.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh no, you're trying to say, gotta keep us mighty.

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<v Speaker 3>When we got married, I was never going to speak

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<v Speaker 3>to him again. And guess what.

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<v Speaker 5>I was walking down the aisle and I looked into

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<v Speaker 5>his face and I saw red eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shots, fine, bachelor, he was. Okay, I get it,

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. So you remember up to that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>remember to that point.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, before we before we met, I had been hearing

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<v Speaker 5>about this guy from Saint Louis, because the mont Maclamore

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<v Speaker 5>from the group and from the group, we're all from

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<v Speaker 5>Saint Louis, and they were talking about this guy named

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<v Speaker 5>June Bud who was coming out from Saint Louis looking

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<v Speaker 5>for a record deal, and that he could say.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and that's June bug.

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<v Speaker 2>I see you're so you're not from Saint Louis, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Louis, Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So so the group was formed by and we should

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<v Speaker 2>also note that uh Ron Malamore, I'm not Ron. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Lamar Macklamore is the week baby, the the legendary what

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<v Speaker 2>now Beauty the Week Jet Beauty the Week pace He's.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a photographer or something.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the original Instagram shut up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, even even to like when whenever Jet went uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know when Jet stopped uh publication, but he

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<v Speaker 2>went to the very end.

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<v Speaker 3>So, yes, the Lama took all.

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<v Speaker 7>The pictures of all of them, but most of the

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<v Speaker 7>pictures of that the women in the bathing suits.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in the middle of Jet Yes career, even at

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<v Speaker 1>the height of fifth dimensioned them like right, he.

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<v Speaker 3>Was he was still doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how can one juggle both and still and still

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<v Speaker 2>do that. I'm also in the mind state that once

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<v Speaker 2>you're in the fifth dimension, you're touring all over like

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<v Speaker 2>nine months out the year. But he was able to

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<v Speaker 2>maintain both on a weekly basis.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, yes, I mean he would.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know just how his setup was, but he

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<v Speaker 7>was definitely still doing it, you know, and still making

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<v Speaker 7>our rehearsals. And sometimes when we would be out of

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<v Speaker 7>town he would be all and we had a day

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<v Speaker 7>off or something, he would find some young lady to

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<v Speaker 7>shoot you know it, take out somewhere to shoot a

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<v Speaker 7>you know, and even.

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<v Speaker 1>The agent that's incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the one of the running jokes anytime that

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<v Speaker 2>you guys were on any show was finding.

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<v Speaker 1>Lamont a wife.

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<v Speaker 2>That's always been like the running joke in any Fifth

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<v Speaker 2>Dimension interview, like this was.

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<v Speaker 1>This bachelorhood like legendary in the seventies.

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<v Speaker 3>Like pretty legendary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Yes, did he eventually get married?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes he did, he's a number of years now.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I was about to say no, just just based

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<v Speaker 2>on my Fifth Dimension research, Like every time that was

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<v Speaker 2>like a running joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Did he did he get married yet? Is he still

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<v Speaker 1>a bachelor? Okay, I get it now.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, Lama was always the one in the male in

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<v Speaker 7>the group that always had these long range plans with

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<v Speaker 7>these young ladies.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>He would meet a young lady and the hero sell

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<v Speaker 7>long range plans for her, you know. So that's that's

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<v Speaker 7>that's why we always tease him about getting married.

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<v Speaker 3>He was waiting, waiting and waiting, but he finally did

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<v Speaker 3>get married. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what year did the group officially form? I know

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<v Speaker 2>that you guys are under the name the Versatiles. It

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<v Speaker 2>was the Versatiles, correct, that's.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, that's the way we started. Yes, yes, and that

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<v Speaker 5>was in nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixty five, and then why was it changed to the

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<v Speaker 1>Fifth Dimension.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, we were getting ready to come out with this

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<v Speaker 5>song with our first single, and the man who was

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<v Speaker 5>the head of the record company thought that the Versatile

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<v Speaker 5>sounded kind of old, that we needed something edgy and new,

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<v Speaker 5>and so we all went home and we were supposed

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<v Speaker 5>to come back with creative ideas for a new name

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<v Speaker 5>for the group, and ron Townsend and his wife came

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<v Speaker 5>up with the name the Fifth Dimension. And when we

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<v Speaker 5>first heard it, everybody loved it, and so we voted

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<v Speaker 5>on it, because we voted on everything in the group.

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<v Speaker 5>Dimension one hands down.

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<v Speaker 2>Was there like sort of a cosmic kind of definition.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it supposed to intentionally be like psychedelic because of

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<v Speaker 2>what the times were during that period?

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<v Speaker 3>Or yeah, pretty much.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, we were five members of the of a

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<v Speaker 5>group and.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Ronald was talking about Dimension.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, they decided that the Fifth Dimension was supposed to

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<v Speaker 5>be Fifth Dimension was sound, So we said, okay, that

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<v Speaker 5>makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I see did you guys at all? I

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<v Speaker 2>know that Bell Records was a label closely associated with

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<v Speaker 2>Arthur Shimpkin and also with a I believe Clive Davis

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<v Speaker 2>started or at least work there at the time period.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you guys work with him at all or have

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<v Speaker 2>any dealings with him or was he at Columbia by

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<v Speaker 2>this point?

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, well, we didn't work with well, we did, we did.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't work with.

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<v Speaker 5>But just from minute you know, actually Saul City was

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<v Speaker 5>the was the name of the label, and that was

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<v Speaker 5>the one that started the group. And then uh when

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<v Speaker 5>and then Bell Records came in.

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<v Speaker 1>Larry Utah, Larry you Tall, Yeah, I know I know

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<v Speaker 1>that name.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yeah, Larry U Tah actually started Bell Records and

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<v Speaker 5>the Fifth Dimension was still there, and then uh, then

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<v Speaker 5>some transitions took place and Clive Davis came in and.

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<v Speaker 1>Right when he came in, he turned it into Arista.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, exactly, That's what happened, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I see now, I see now.

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<v Speaker 7>I think one of the I think one of the

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<v Speaker 7>guys that at uh Bail Records was Irgelgel.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he worked with he worked with yeah in the

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<v Speaker 3>very beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in the beginning of the group.

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<v Speaker 2>Who decided the direction because you guys had a really

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<v Speaker 2>somewhat sophisticated, elegant sound, sort of a step ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>I guess at the time, like Motown was was the

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<v Speaker 2>leader of a more classier version of the soul. But

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<v Speaker 2>you guys were definitely kind of a step ahead of that,

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<v Speaker 2>Like who decided the direction of the group and how

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<v Speaker 2>do you guys approach your creativity.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, one of the things that happened is when we

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<v Speaker 7>first started the group, and and and and called ourselves

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<v Speaker 7>the Versatils. But we did that because we were all different.

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<v Speaker 7>All of us were different singers. I was more gospel

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<v Speaker 7>r and big blues, Maryland was more pop, and Ronald

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<v Speaker 7>was more operatic sounding, Florence was more pop, and the

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<v Speaker 7>Model was a more of a bass kind of singer,

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<v Speaker 7>and and and and and more of a pop sick.

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<v Speaker 7>So when we decided we started as Diversal and we

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<v Speaker 7>went into it as more of a jazz kind of

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<v Speaker 7>opportunity to do, to just create just different types of

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<v Speaker 7>music and uh. But when we got signed with Johnny Rivers,

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<v Speaker 7>we carried that sound with us right on into the

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<v Speaker 7>record company. And so when he suggested that we do

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<v Speaker 7>go where you want to go, and we said, well,

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<v Speaker 7>from the Mamas and Poppers there was a cover for us,

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<v Speaker 7>and we said, well, you know it's not going to

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<v Speaker 7>sound like Motole you know, we were we were we

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<v Speaker 7>went into what was happening for brothers or sisters, you know, right,

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<v Speaker 7>and even though we know we had a different sound,

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<v Speaker 7>that's what was the kind of music we were looking for.

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<v Speaker 3>But he said, no, let's try. It'll be a hit.

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<v Speaker 3>And when he said.

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<v Speaker 7>It'll be a hit, well, everybody was looking for a hit,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, you everb of every artist want to hit it,

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<v Speaker 7>even if it's pop goals or weasels, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>So we did go where you want to go and

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<v Speaker 7>it came out with more of a soul for sound,

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<v Speaker 7>but not like the pop marmins and poppers. But it

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<v Speaker 7>created our out.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I see that.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta say that because of my my weird obsession

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<v Speaker 2>with the song MacArthur's Park. I know that was written

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<v Speaker 2>by Jimmy Webb and if you kind of look at

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<v Speaker 2>his catalog, which is yeah, like Wichita Lineman and all

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff, like it's like really weird unorthodox songs, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know that he wrote up up in a way,

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<v Speaker 2>so like at the time when you were approached, how

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<v Speaker 2>did that song come into into the sphere of the

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<v Speaker 2>fifth dimension and what with the deciding factor that Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this fits us because it's it's kind of even though

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's a hit, it's a really very weird specific song,

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<v Speaker 2>like we're going to sing about balloons, air balloons or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Like how did how did that? How did you guys

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<v Speaker 1>come across that song?

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<v Speaker 5>Well? You know, Uh, Mark Gordon, who was the group's manager,

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<v Speaker 5>introduced Johnny Rivers, who who was the owner of Soul

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<v Speaker 5>City Records, to Jimmy Webb because, uh, he was saying,

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<v Speaker 5>we need somebody creative and new and different. And Mark

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<v Speaker 5>had worked with Motown Records and had left Motown and

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<v Speaker 5>it's it's a long story about how we all met.

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<v Speaker 5>But he liked the group, he liked our direction, and

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<v Speaker 5>he said that he wanted to manage us. So so

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<v Speaker 5>when he was talking to Johnny Rivers and he said,

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<v Speaker 5>and Johnny said, we need somebody young, k new different,

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<v Speaker 5>Mark said, there's a very talented young man who was

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<v Speaker 5>trying to get some of his songs recorded at Motown.

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<v Speaker 5>His name is Jimmy Webb. I'd like for you to

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<v Speaker 5>meet him. And so they met, and uh, we ended

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<v Speaker 5>up working together on our first album, which must called

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<v Speaker 5>Go Where You.

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<v Speaker 3>Want To go well, actually it ended up being called.

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<v Speaker 5>And so we were we were working on some music

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<v Speaker 5>and and there was a hot air balloon festival that

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<v Speaker 5>took place down in Palm Springs on over a weekend,

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<v Speaker 5>and Jimmy went down to that that festival, and he

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<v Speaker 5>came back so inspired by what he had seen that

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<v Speaker 5>he wrote a song. And he wrote this song called

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<v Speaker 5>up Up and Away talking about the balloons, right, And

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<v Speaker 5>so he played the song for the group and we said,

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<v Speaker 5>oh man, that's a wonderful song. You know, it's a

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<v Speaker 5>happy feeling. It makes everybody want to dance and feel

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<v Speaker 5>really good.

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<v Speaker 3>It will never be a hit.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I just thought it was gonna be filler, like

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<v Speaker 1>just out right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all we thought was. You know, we were still

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<v Speaker 3>listened waiting for some.

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<v Speaker 7>Motile stuff, you know, up up and a wait and say, man,

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<v Speaker 7>that'll never be a hit, you know, And come to

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<v Speaker 7>find out it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was. It was a big smash fun.

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<v Speaker 5>And it won us what for well, we won four

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<v Speaker 5>Grammy Yeah, and then Bones how well, no Bones wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>producer on that. Mark Mark Mark and Johnny Rivers won

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<v Speaker 5>Production Grammys and Jimmy Webb won it.

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<v Speaker 3>For the song yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I remember you guys previously telling me before that

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<v Speaker 2>when you guys won the Grammy for the song that

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<v Speaker 2>you weren't too sure like how important the Grammys were,

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<v Speaker 2>like or if.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a big deal, like in the late sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>Were the Grammys as big of a press to each

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<v Speaker 2>thing as we hold it now or was it just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's nice, we won a Grammy.

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<v Speaker 1>What's Grammy? Exactly?

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<v Speaker 3>That's what we felt.

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<v Speaker 5>Well at that time, the Grammys weren't being televised, so

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<v Speaker 5>so the record company was so excited, Oh, you've all

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<v Speaker 5>been nominated for Grammys, and we said.

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<v Speaker 3>That is so cool. What's great Grammy? We didn't even

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<v Speaker 3>know what it was, you know. And uh but but

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<v Speaker 3>after we won the first Grammy.

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<v Speaker 7>And got behind all that excitement, the next one we

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<v Speaker 7>were we were in line for.

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<v Speaker 3>We were ready for it, you know, Okay, a Grammys.

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<v Speaker 1>I see you guys mentioned Mark Gordon because.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm like a fan slash aficionado of Soul Train.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that oftentimes, like if Val Wilson was on

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<v Speaker 2>the show, uh, don would talk to Mark or uh

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<v Speaker 2>he was there I think during the Staples Singers episode

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<v Speaker 2>as well, So like I'm familiar with Mark Gordon. The

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<v Speaker 2>thing was, I didn't know that he was married to

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<v Speaker 2>Florence LaRue during that time period. But I was also

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<v Speaker 2>shocked for you guys to go to the levels and

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<v Speaker 2>the heights that you've gone to. Even in my mind,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, wow, they really had it like a powerful

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<v Speaker 2>white manager.

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<v Speaker 1>How was it?

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<v Speaker 2>How was it that Mark was able to work his

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<v Speaker 2>magic as as a man, and you know, he's managed

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<v Speaker 2>everyone like name it, like Tony. This also probably explains

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<v Speaker 2>why you Antonio, Orlando and Don also at your variety shows,

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<v Speaker 2>Like what was Mark like as a manager that he

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<v Speaker 2>had like further further reached than your average manager where

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<v Speaker 2>he can get his acts even past mainstream, but just

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<v Speaker 2>in spaces where you normally don't see black acts.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, Mark had a lot. You know, Mark came again

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<v Speaker 5>from the Motown background, and so I'm sure he learned

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<v Speaker 5>a lot when he was there, and he was running

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<v Speaker 5>the West Coast office of Motown Records, and that's how

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<v Speaker 5>we met him. And he was also a producer, and

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<v Speaker 5>so we were hoping that maybe he would produce a

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<v Speaker 5>record on the group and we would end up at Motown.

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<v Speaker 5>But again, for one reason or another that Mark and

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<v Speaker 5>Motown agreed to disagree, and so Mark came and said,

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<v Speaker 5>I'd like to manage guys. I like I like your idea,

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<v Speaker 5>I like the sound that you have, and I think

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<v Speaker 5>I can do something with you. And then he and

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<v Speaker 5>Johnny Rivers. Johnny Rivers, who was a who was more

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<v Speaker 5>of a country singer, had some major hits, but he

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<v Speaker 5>loved R and B and he wanted to produce some

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<v Speaker 5>R and B music. So he came to Mark and

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<v Speaker 5>he said, why don't we co produce some projects together?

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<v Speaker 5>And so that was how they ended up producing us,

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<v Speaker 5>and that was how we ended up recording Go where

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<v Speaker 5>You Want to Go and then Up, Up and the Way,

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<v Speaker 5>and Mark introduced Johnny to Jimmy Webb. So so Mark

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<v Speaker 5>Mark was a visionary in so many ways he was.

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<v Speaker 7>He was definitely a good manager and he I think

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<v Speaker 7>the popularity of the group is what kind of got

0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:51.439
<v Speaker 7>him in the in the position to be able to

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<v Speaker 7>open the doors, because I don't forget he was our

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<v Speaker 7>personal manager, but but but we also had an agency.

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<v Speaker 3>Opened the doors too, like William Moore us.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, with our popularity, we would we would, we would,

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<v Speaker 7>we were going pop you know, yes, and we were

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<v Speaker 7>right in the middle of that. So all the doors

0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.879
<v Speaker 7>were opening for they had televant shows and all the

0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.280
<v Speaker 7>all the all of the white shows that would that

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<v Speaker 7>was that was happening.

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<v Speaker 3>They wanted the fifth dimension.

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<v Speaker 1>So was it ever a struggle? Okay? So one one

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<v Speaker 1>of the one of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of a career highlights for most black acts that

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<v Speaker 2>I've spoken to, especially that have started in the sixties,

0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:40.359
<v Speaker 2>most of them were being groomed to play the copa.

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<v Speaker 2>That was like like one thing is surviving the Apollo,

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing is being able to play the copa,

0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:54.080
<v Speaker 2>which you know, I can only imagine that that that.

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<v Speaker 1>Was a prestigious thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Was that necessarily a goal for this particular group or

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<v Speaker 2>was that not?

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of in your radar?

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<v Speaker 5>Everybody wanted to play the coca. Yeah, everybody wanted to

0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:13.200
<v Speaker 5>play the copa. But what happened was there was another

0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:15.200
<v Speaker 5>club in New York.

0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.479
<v Speaker 7>Well actually it was it was a club, but it

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<v Speaker 7>was a room, yes, at the Americana Hotel.

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<v Speaker 5>At it was called the Royal Box, the Royal Box.

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<v Speaker 7>And they ended up hiring us and we would work

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<v Speaker 7>the Royal Box every year, right doing a prim season.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, so they knew that the fifth was at

0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:43.280
<v Speaker 7>that place every year, so it was three or.

0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:45.840
<v Speaker 3>Four years straight that's where we were at.

0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.800
<v Speaker 7>So I guess the the copa, but they knew we

0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:50.760
<v Speaker 7>were at the Royal Box.

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<v Speaker 3>They never tried to book us.

0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:57.320
<v Speaker 5>They never tried to book us. Blew our chance by

0:21:57.359 --> 0:21:59.199
<v Speaker 5>working at the Royal Box. But you know why it

0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:01.920
<v Speaker 5>was great because because of the Royal Box, that's how

0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:05.480
<v Speaker 5>we ended up with finding Aquarius.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I know this legendary story and it's definitely

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<v Speaker 2>one of the highlights of summer. And so could you

0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:20.480
<v Speaker 2>please share with our audience the the circumstances that actually

0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:23.879
<v Speaker 2>led you to recording uh, the Age of Aquarius with

0:22:24.000 --> 0:22:24.600
<v Speaker 2>the sunshining.

0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:27.880
<v Speaker 3>And this is a show mouth true story right right.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe it, but it's amazing.

0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:33.199
<v Speaker 3>Think we made it up for stage, but we can't.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't make up nothing like this, you know, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't know you were working in New York.

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<v Speaker 7>And the funny thing is that I went out to

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<v Speaker 7>shop and and and coming back getting out of the cab,

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<v Speaker 7>I lost my wallet and it fell in the cab.

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<v Speaker 7>So I came up stairs in the hotel room and

0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:52.440
<v Speaker 7>I told Maryland. I was looking at my post, Baby,

0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:56.600
<v Speaker 7>I've lost my wallet. And Maryland said, oh, well you

0:22:56.600 --> 0:23:00.520
<v Speaker 7>can forget that. You ain't gonna never see the wallet.

0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:06.480
<v Speaker 7>And so about an hour after that, I got a

0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:08.720
<v Speaker 7>phone call and the guy.

0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:11.560
<v Speaker 3>Said, is this Billy Davis Junior. And I said, yes

0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:11.919
<v Speaker 3>it is.

0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:17.880
<v Speaker 7>And he said, I got your wallet, wow, wallet. And

0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:20.880
<v Speaker 7>I got all excited because he had found my wallet.

0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:22.840
<v Speaker 7>And I told him, I said, well, just hold on

0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:25.520
<v Speaker 7>to it. I'm coming to your house and get it.

0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:28.239
<v Speaker 7>So I went to his house and I offered him

0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:31.680
<v Speaker 7>some money. He didn't want their money, so I invited

0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:34.359
<v Speaker 7>him to come and see us at the Royal Box

0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:36.000
<v Speaker 7>perform him.

0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:39.080
<v Speaker 3>So he took us up on that. So after the show,

0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:40.960
<v Speaker 3>he came to the show, him and his wife.

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<v Speaker 7>And after the show he came backstage and he said, man,

0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:45.440
<v Speaker 7>you guys are beautiful.

0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:46.800
<v Speaker 3>It's one of I love the show.

0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 7>He said, says, you were so nice, Billy, I'd like

0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:51.520
<v Speaker 7>to invite you to see our show.

0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:53.359
<v Speaker 3>I said, what show.

0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:57.080
<v Speaker 7>Come to find out he was one of the producers

0:23:57.119 --> 0:24:01.280
<v Speaker 7>of had Right. Had been trying to get in to

0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:03.840
<v Speaker 7>see hair but I don't know how long.

0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:07.080
<v Speaker 3>No seats. It was like it was like that was

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:08.600
<v Speaker 3>like the Hamilton of.

0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:14.399
<v Speaker 1>Hamilton with skin that were trying to get in to.

0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:19.040
<v Speaker 7>See hair and well it was the first time they

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:23.720
<v Speaker 7>ever seen people neked on stage, so everybody was dashing,

0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 7>you know. But but we finally got in. He invited

0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:29.880
<v Speaker 7>us over to see it, and we saw this young

0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:35.440
<v Speaker 7>kid by the name of Ronnie Dyson singing aquariums and

0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:40.119
<v Speaker 7>when he he filled the auditorium with that beautiful boss

0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:42.560
<v Speaker 7>of his and when he when he did that, we

0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:45.439
<v Speaker 7>all heard it right there and said, we have to

0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:46.240
<v Speaker 7>do that song.

0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.440
<v Speaker 3>That's a fifty minutes song. It's gonna be ah, it's

0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:50.119
<v Speaker 3>gonna be a hit.

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<v Speaker 7>That's what was first time we ever said that it's

0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:55.159
<v Speaker 7>gonna be a hit. And sure enough it was the

0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:57.320
<v Speaker 7>biggest record that we've ever ever recorded.

0:24:58.760 --> 0:24:59.400
<v Speaker 1>That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>So how did it?

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<v Speaker 4>How did it go from the stage to your song

0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:05.040
<v Speaker 4>though with that strain with the producer?

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:10.080
<v Speaker 5>Well, well, we called we called our producer who was Bones,

0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:14.280
<v Speaker 5>how and we said Bones, and I mean everybody when

0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:17.720
<v Speaker 5>we got together at intermission, we were all all five

0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:19.720
<v Speaker 5>months and said this is going to be a hit.

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:22.640
<v Speaker 5>So we called Bones and said Bones. We found our

0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:26.600
<v Speaker 5>next hit. And he said, what's that and we said Aquarius.

0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 5>He said, well, I don't know. He said, there's a

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:30.920
<v Speaker 5>lot of people that have tried to make a hit

0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 5>out of that song and it hasn't worked. And we said,

0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 5>but the Fifth Division didn't see it, you know, so

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:41.439
<v Speaker 5>determined to record that song. So he said, well, let

0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:44.680
<v Speaker 5>me let me listen to it some more and see

0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 5>what we can come up with. So then he came

0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:48.840
<v Speaker 5>back to us a little while later, a couple of

0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 5>weeks later, and he said, I think I have an

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 5>idea of how to make this work. And he came

0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:59.359
<v Speaker 5>up with the idea of taking Aquarius and putting it

0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:04.919
<v Speaker 5>together with another song Shineyes, that the Sunshining, which was

0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:09.120
<v Speaker 5>from the song Paul flesh Face right, and uh, by

0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 5>combining the two of those together, we ended up with

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:14.680
<v Speaker 5>the biggest hit of our careers.

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:15.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh so let's the Sunshine and was not a part

0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:21.040
<v Speaker 2>of Hair. I didn't know that, Okay, well it was.

0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:25.280
<v Speaker 2>It was a part of Hair together. Okay, you just.

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Together like our part what we did with let the Sunshine.

0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:33.560
<v Speaker 5>As a matter of fact, the way that they did

0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:34.879
<v Speaker 5>it in the show was that.

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:39.720
<v Speaker 3>The sun Shine.

0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was one of those ruslow and okay.

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:46.159
<v Speaker 5>The Sunshine it was a sad song, yeah right, but

0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:49.200
<v Speaker 5>Bones came up with the idea of making it more joyous.

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:51.199
<v Speaker 5>And then when we were in the studio recording it,

0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:54.560
<v Speaker 5>then he said, okay, the group was singing it like

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 5>the Sunshine. Then he says, okay, Billy, now go and

0:26:57.880 --> 0:26:58.600
<v Speaker 5>take it to church.

0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Many yes, yes, that's amazing.

0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 1>On an average how many?

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 2>How many gigs just from a touring standpoint, I know,

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 2>touring from more or less like doing five straight months,

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:22.160
<v Speaker 2>like living on the road never coming home like after

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:23.479
<v Speaker 2>five straight months or whatever.

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:27.240
<v Speaker 1>But could you describe to us like what was.

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 2>What was the the gig circuit like during that time

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:37.320
<v Speaker 2>and around nineteen sixty nine for the group, Like how

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:40.080
<v Speaker 2>many was it mainly just one night ers or was

0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 2>it you know, concentrated time in America then you go

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:45.639
<v Speaker 2>to other parts of the world, Like what was the

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:48.879
<v Speaker 2>average touring season like for the Fifth Dimension, Well, it

0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:49.399
<v Speaker 2>was more.

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:52.200
<v Speaker 5>About America, about the United States. You played a lot

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 5>of college campuses, right, We did a lot of a

0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 5>lot of concerts. We dressed, we got dressed in a

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:02.479
<v Speaker 5>lot of sweaty locker locker rooms.

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Right now, you come in there.

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.440
<v Speaker 7>You come in there after a game, after they left

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:09.919
<v Speaker 7>from a game, and it would be lit up.

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:14.959
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, but you have to go in there.

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 7>And you did dress and you know, young, young, you know,

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 7>you you get past that, you get out there, but

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 7>you worried about doing the best you could do when

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:25.720
<v Speaker 7>you get in front of that audience, you know.

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 3>But yes, we but we did. We played clubs too.

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 7>We played clubs, but we were out on the road

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 7>maybe about oh boy, seven to eight months out of

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:36.120
<v Speaker 7>the year.

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 3>We were on the road, I mean moving constantly.

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:44.560
<v Speaker 5>We also played Las Vegas, yes and UH, which which

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 5>a lot of the artists weren't doing, but that was

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:49.800
<v Speaker 5>one of the one of the offers that we got

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 5>and uh we ended up playing the Main Room UH

0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 5>as one of the healthy acts fort for Frank Sinatra,

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 5>And that was another way that we were introduced to

0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 5>the U, to the country at large.

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:06.640
<v Speaker 3>And then we did a lot of we did We did.

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:10.120
<v Speaker 5>A number of concerts just around around the country and

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:12.600
<v Speaker 5>a lot of riding around on buses.

0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Right, really, okay, when when you're doing uh, okay, if

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 2>you're opening for Frank Sinatra, I know that we interviewed

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:28.240
<v Speaker 2>uh the Jackson's some time ago on the show, and

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:33.920
<v Speaker 2>I know that their experience with doing Vegas was that,

0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:38.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, they had to sort of expand their repertoire somewhat,

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 2>do more show tunes, do more balance.

0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty much.

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:48.360
<v Speaker 2>So would you have to change the show specifically for

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Vegas audience or was it pretty consistent the same show

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 2>that you would do for colleges? Were they the same

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 2>for Las Vegas or your nightclub act.

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:01.640
<v Speaker 5>We wouldn't do the for colleges. We would do more

0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:06.120
<v Speaker 5>of our recorded material, our songs that were recorded material.

0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 5>Then we would mix mix up our show with songs

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 5>that were high rhythm, high energy, and and uh Billy

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 5>to get out there and start singing a lot of

0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 5>his soul things, and Florence and I dancing and shaking.

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 3>So it changed. It depends upon where we were working.

0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 3>We would would change for Vegas.

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 7>We would do more of a production kind of a show.

0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 7>You know, we would put some production uh quality into

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 7>the into the show, like a song that we did

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:46.600
<v Speaker 7>called Old to Old to Billy Joe, you know, and each.

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 8>One of us took apart so it looked like a

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 8>theater piece in Vegas, and it kept the audience right there,

0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 8>you know, because they wanted to see what each character

0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 8>was doing, you know, and then after that piece, we

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 8>would come up with one of our hits or something

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 8>like that, you know, bring them back down to where

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 8>we're at, you know.

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, we would do that.

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 2>We also know that you're one of the few acts

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 2>that you know, doing doing a residency on Broadway is

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:17.920
<v Speaker 2>usually a special occasion. I mean, it rarely happens now,

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Like Bruce Springsteen, I had had a one man show

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 2>recently before the pandemic more Broadway, but you guys were

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 2>definitely one of the first acts to do like a

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:32.440
<v Speaker 2>residency there. Well, I think I'm trying to lead up

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 2>to why you two were so natural when you guys

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 2>got your own variety special in terms of like doing

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 2>more than just performing your songs, like jokes would be

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 2>you know in the show and little sketches and whatnot,

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Like did that prepare you for that, especially with when

0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:54.240
<v Speaker 2>you did your Broadway residency or we.

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 5>Had a wonderful man by the name of Renee Knight

0:31:56.800 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 5>who worked with the group and helped helped taught us

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 5>a lot about the entertainment business and about what made

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:10.440
<v Speaker 5>what made shows work, and we would get together and

0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 5>come up with with songs that Renee came up.

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 3>With the idea of Odabilly Jill you remember that.

0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 5>Oh, she was the one who realized that there were

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 5>five characters and that in the song.

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 3>And then and we.

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 5>Were able to put those five characters together and and

0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:28.680
<v Speaker 5>do that song. And h he had been with a

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 5>group called the Delta Rhythm Boys who were very, very

0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:36.479
<v Speaker 5>successful h in Europe, and he when he came and

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 5>saw us and saw what we were about, he just

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:41.640
<v Speaker 5>felt like, you know, he wanted to work with us

0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:43.480
<v Speaker 5>and teach us some of the things that he knew

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 5>about how to make live shows really work for your

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 5>audiences and how to mix the music up. And Renee.

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:55.520
<v Speaker 5>We give a lot of credit to Renee for helping

0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 5>to teach us about the business and about how it

0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 5>worked and and how to make it work. You know

0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 5>when you talk about when we did that residency on Broadway, Yeah,

0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 5>we were working with a dancer. His name was Jojo Smith.

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:09.720
<v Speaker 3>You remember jo Smith?

0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:12.120
<v Speaker 1>I can't say I've heard of them.

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:17.520
<v Speaker 5>Okay, Well, Jojo Smith had a dancing company and one

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 5>of the members of his dancing dancing company was a

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 5>young woman by the name of Debbie Allen.

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 3>And that was how we.

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 5>Met Debbie and we when we did our residency, we

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:34.640
<v Speaker 5>were on Broadway for a month and we had came

0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 5>up with the idea of having a dancing company be

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 5>our opening for the show, because again, it was a

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:48.240
<v Speaker 5>nice balance and a difference of entertainment and it made

0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 5>for a very entertaining show. And that was how we

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 5>That was, That was what we did on Broadway.

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 3>That was yes, yes, yes, it was.

0:33:58.760 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I see, I see.

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 4>Can I just ask how did you? I just want

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:04.480
<v Speaker 4>to know how you guys figured out your life physical aesthetic,

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:07.880
<v Speaker 4>like for your live shows, for your album covers, like

0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:10.840
<v Speaker 4>what was the decision behind the outfits and how everything

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 4>would come together?

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:15.240
<v Speaker 7>Well, you know, when when it when it came to

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 7>to our live shows, we we were known for wearing

0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 7>these different type of outfits, you know, right from the beginning.

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:25.319
<v Speaker 7>I mean, you know, they dressed us funny, you know,

0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:30.919
<v Speaker 7>but they were dressers in the same colors, but more

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:33.400
<v Speaker 7>to our personalities.

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:35.479
<v Speaker 3>You know, So what was your color? What was your color?

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:39.520
<v Speaker 7>Billy outfit would be a little different, and that that

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:41.719
<v Speaker 7>was our theme, you know, And and then all of

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.399
<v Speaker 7>a sudden, they got a little bit more sophisticated as

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:47.400
<v Speaker 7>we as we stayed into the business well longer, you know,

0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:51.920
<v Speaker 7>they became sleeker and you know, different colors like that,

0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:53.960
<v Speaker 7>and they would and they would put those on the

0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:58.080
<v Speaker 7>album covers and and I guess the rec the record

0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 7>company would say, hey, you know, put on the album.

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:03.279
<v Speaker 7>Come because if they see it at album, they know

0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:04.760
<v Speaker 7>they'll notice the fit dimension.

0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:07.279
<v Speaker 3>I would love to say that.

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:10.800
<v Speaker 5>You know. The idea for that of dressing and different

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 5>different in the themes was actually Lamont's Lamont Matamore because

0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 5>we were getting ready to work in a club in

0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:24.920
<v Speaker 5>la and the group was not It was nothing famous

0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 5>at that time, and so we had this job, but

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 5>we didn't have any outfits, and so it was like,

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:32.880
<v Speaker 5>oh my god, what are we going to do? So

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:36.000
<v Speaker 5>Lamont came up with this idea. He said, hey, well,

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:40.480
<v Speaker 5>everybody has got something black and white in your closet,

0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:44.040
<v Speaker 5>so why don't we take take an outfit and everybody

0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:45.279
<v Speaker 5>wear black and white.

0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:46.919
<v Speaker 3>And you just wear whatever you want to wear.

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 5>And that was what we worked that night at that

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 5>club and we all had on black and white and

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 5>there was a guy in the audience by the name

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 5>of Boyd Clapton and he was a designer. And he

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:03.080
<v Speaker 5>came backstage afterwards and he said, I love your idea.

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:06.520
<v Speaker 5>You know, you took this theme about black and white, but.

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 3>You each wore your own personalities.

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:11.280
<v Speaker 5>And he said, I would love to try to design

0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 5>something for you. He said, would you let me design

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:16.720
<v Speaker 5>an outfit using that kind of idea?

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 3>And that was how that evolved. And he would come

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:22.839
<v Speaker 3>up with sketches and different things like that and show

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:24.359
<v Speaker 3>him to us before he would make them.

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 5>You know, we would okay, and and each one shot

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:32.040
<v Speaker 5>that would be more in keeping with the with the

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 5>personality of the singer.

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 4>Wow, how long did he stay with you guys?

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 3>Make that was with us for a long time at least.

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:45.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, Actually, I'm glad you asked that, Like

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:46.640
<v Speaker 2>I always wanted to know.

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Questions.

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 5>There were so many amazing things that that happened, the

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:56.320
<v Speaker 5>people that we met, the people who came involved became

0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 5>involved with the group, the people who crossed our paths,

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:02.760
<v Speaker 5>and it was truly I feel like the fifth dimension

0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 5>was truly blessed.

0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, well I always wanted to know. Okay,

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:11.719
<v Speaker 2>so I know again, in today's the times that we

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 2>live in today. There are entourages, there's you know, assistance,

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 2>there's wardrobe people, there's blah.

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah blahlah blah blah blah.

0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 2>But I know that at least back then, it was

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:28.319
<v Speaker 2>sort of like self contained and artists were responsible for

0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 2>their own outfits and whatnot. So when you are extensively

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 2>touring and you have these outfits and whatnot, like, how

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 2>do you how do you how's the upkeep? Like, are

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 2>you guys the ones that have to iron your stuff

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.160
<v Speaker 2>before the show? Run to the cleaners in between cities

0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:51.000
<v Speaker 2>and whatnot? Like or was there a wardrobe person on detail?

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:54.440
<v Speaker 7>No, we's no way could we had done, but we

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:57.319
<v Speaker 7>would do because we ended up having to.

0:37:57.280 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Take a wardrobe person with us on the road.

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.000
<v Speaker 7>You know, they took care of all the while we

0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 7>were doing our sound checks and getting into the theaters

0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:09.680
<v Speaker 7>and different things like that. They were backstage taking the

0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:16.200
<v Speaker 7>outfits out of the trump and and you know of them.

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:18.319
<v Speaker 1>So you guys were high level. Okay, I get it.

0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:24.120
<v Speaker 1>They did their own stuff to that point.

0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 4>Was there ever pressure on you Maryland and Florence to

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:28.839
<v Speaker 4>make sure that y'all looked as amazing as y'all did

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 4>in these outfits.

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:34.240
<v Speaker 5>Well, we you know, we we would sit in that

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 5>in that mirror and make.

0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:42.800
<v Speaker 3>Sure we look. Yeah. The pressure that I mean.

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:45.960
<v Speaker 5>Not to not to not to make iron the dresses

0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 5>and iron the guards.

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, no, I meant to look good in

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:50.760
<v Speaker 4>the outfits.

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Not yes, yes, that's what I meant.

0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:54.239
<v Speaker 3>Well, we tried our.

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 5>Best, and of course, uh with with BOYD coming in

0:38:57.600 --> 0:39:01.400
<v Speaker 5>with his ideas, you know, looking at our bodies and

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:03.680
<v Speaker 5>trying to think what's going.

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:05.719
<v Speaker 3>To work the best on the body? Right right?

0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 7>You know that's that's the great part of having a designer,

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:16.240
<v Speaker 7>because they fit the outfit to your body.

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:19.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm learning that's a grown up thing, learning about

0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 4>tailors and whatnot and has.

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:26.240
<v Speaker 1>Man. Yeah, it's great.

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Wait, okay, I know, okay, so I know that that

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:34.680
<v Speaker 2>uh Laura Niro wrote the song, but I always wanted

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 2>to know, and you know, I've seen you guys performing

0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:41.440
<v Speaker 2>millions of times on the show and and whatnot, but

0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:47.319
<v Speaker 2>the significance of wedding bell Blues and and its popularity,

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm certain that you guys always get asked like, was

0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:55.360
<v Speaker 2>was this song just a platform from Maryland to put

0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:58.839
<v Speaker 2>Billy on the spot about marriage and whatnot, even though

0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:01.279
<v Speaker 2>I believe you guys were probably married at the time.

0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:04.319
<v Speaker 1>Sixty nine when that came up, So it was the

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:04.799
<v Speaker 1>same year.

0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, whose idea was it to do that song and

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:13.319
<v Speaker 2>the whole marry Me bill and all those things like,

0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:16.879
<v Speaker 2>because it was kind of unheard of at the time

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:19.719
<v Speaker 2>where it's in reverse and the woman is asking the

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:24.120
<v Speaker 2>man to for you know, marriage.

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:30.200
<v Speaker 5>Well, actually, Lauren Niro wrote that for a bill in

0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:31.719
<v Speaker 5>her life.

0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:36.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, right, I thought you customized it just for

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:40.240
<v Speaker 2>the years that I didn't realize that, okay.

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:42.200
<v Speaker 5>She wrote it, and she released it as a single

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:46.320
<v Speaker 5>and it it did well in California, but not across

0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:49.879
<v Speaker 5>the country because Bones, how our producer came to us

0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:51.719
<v Speaker 5>with the idea of, you know, Billy and I were

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.640
<v Speaker 5>going together and he thought, oh, how cute it would

0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:57.080
<v Speaker 5>be for Maryland to sing wedding belt blues to Billy.

0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 5>So and we said the Bones it sar been out

0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:02.440
<v Speaker 5>and it wasn't a hit. He said, no, it wasn't.

0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:02.919
<v Speaker 3>He said.

0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 5>It was a hit in California, he said, but it

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 5>wasn't a hit across the country. So we went in

0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 5>and recorded it and put it on the album, and

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 5>it ended up being picked as one of the singles.

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:17.319
<v Speaker 1>I see now.

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:21.160
<v Speaker 6>I read in another interview that you two did that Maryland.

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 6>You were the one that was actually a little skittish

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:24.799
<v Speaker 6>about marriage, but Billy was all in.

0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:28.319
<v Speaker 3>Is that? Yeah?

0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 7>I was all into it, you know? But you know

0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:37.279
<v Speaker 7>how many bills that I've met since we got married? Man?

0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:37.919
<v Speaker 3>For real?

0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Because you guys were bandmates before you became married. Was

0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:49.719
<v Speaker 2>there ever ever a thought of this might be a

0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:55.279
<v Speaker 2>conflict of interest? Like if you're dating now, then if

0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:57.480
<v Speaker 2>we break up, then it's going to be awkward in

0:41:57.480 --> 0:41:57.880
<v Speaker 2>the group.

0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Like how what was the awkward factor?

0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Because I mean, you guys have been in the band

0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:07.600
<v Speaker 2>since sixty five, but you got married in sixty nine.

0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Like what eventually led to that marriage?

0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:17.640
<v Speaker 2>How do you maintain a business relationship and you know,

0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:21.400
<v Speaker 2>keep the marriage happy so to speak?

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:26.799
<v Speaker 1>Now I need Jill and I.

0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:30.600
<v Speaker 5>Started becoming friends, right. We would go to rehearsal together,

0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 5>and we would we spend a lot of time driving

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:37.080
<v Speaker 5>back and forth to rehearsal. And not only that, but

0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:40.960
<v Speaker 5>after rehearsal sometimes we go to parties and Billy and

0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 5>I found ourselves, spending a lot of time with each

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:48.480
<v Speaker 5>other just talking and laughing and talking about our lives

0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:51.399
<v Speaker 5>and you know, how we felt about music and how

0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:53.680
<v Speaker 5>we'd wanted to sing all of our lives.

0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:55.960
<v Speaker 7>And what we wanted to do and like and you know,

0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:59.359
<v Speaker 7>just share it with each other in our dreams, you know,

0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:03.719
<v Speaker 7>and and our passions. But but we would be at

0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:06.320
<v Speaker 7>parties and the party would be jumping in Maryland and

0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:08.200
<v Speaker 7>sitting on the couch talking.

0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 3>People must have thought, were weird. That's stuff, that's stuff

0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:17.920
<v Speaker 3>right into ourselves, you know, And uh, we've been like

0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:18.760
<v Speaker 3>that ever since.

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:19.160
<v Speaker 7>You know.

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:21.640
<v Speaker 3>So we were we were friends.

0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:25.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and then when we started really kind of realizing

0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:29.200
<v Speaker 5>that it was developing into something more than friendship, we

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:30.760
<v Speaker 5>kind of thought.

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:33.239
<v Speaker 3>We said to each other, are we going to mess

0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:39.520
<v Speaker 3>this outh? Yeah, this is a dangerous thing to do.

0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 3>You know, you mess this up, this thing up, because

0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:46.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, you can create a mess in the group.

0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 3>That's that's that's going strong.

0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:48.440
<v Speaker 5>You know.

0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:50.920
<v Speaker 3>We all we need is a big argument, you know,

0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:54.839
<v Speaker 3>it's anything crazy and it's over, you know. But uh,

0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 3>but but by that time, we we couldn't stop our friendship.

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Our friendship a stronger than anything else.

0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:05.319
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and you know my parents, My parents had been

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:08.080
<v Speaker 5>married for twenty four years and then they got a divorce,

0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:10.960
<v Speaker 5>and I thought, I don't know if this marriage thing

0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:11.400
<v Speaker 5>is just.

0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Scary, right, But you know.

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:18.640
<v Speaker 7>On the other hand, I wasn't worried about it because

0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:20.719
<v Speaker 7>my parents have been married for sixty eight years.

0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:25.239
<v Speaker 3>Wow, from my own you.

0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 4>Know, that's a lot of pressure on your kids.

0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:34.640
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, man, I was curious to know how y'all keep from, say,

0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:37.400
<v Speaker 6>if y'all have an argument or disagreement about something in

0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:40.880
<v Speaker 6>the studio, over something musically, or something in your career,

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:43.800
<v Speaker 6>how do you keep those disagreements in your person and

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 6>your professional life from bleeding over into your personal life.

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:51.000
<v Speaker 7>It's a good question, you know, a very good question,

0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:55.080
<v Speaker 7>because those things have happened, you know, but when they

0:44:55.200 --> 0:44:58.040
<v Speaker 7>do happen, we have to realize that that's a moment,

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:01.239
<v Speaker 7>that's a moment in time. Those things happen to people

0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:04.040
<v Speaker 7>who are in the in the industry, especially people who

0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:07.839
<v Speaker 7>work together. You know, that has when when things has

0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:11.319
<v Speaker 7>happened for one and and and hasn't happened for the other,

0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:14.480
<v Speaker 7>you just have to live with that, you know. Most

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 7>of all, you have to be thankful. The easiest way

0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:19.399
<v Speaker 7>to get over that is be thankful for that one

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:22.719
<v Speaker 7>that's getting it, you know, and uh, and then you

0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:25.520
<v Speaker 7>can get over the right quick of being thankful.

0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:27.560
<v Speaker 3>Did it always come that easy to y'all?

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:32.800
<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, like sometimes before we go on stage,

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:35.920
<v Speaker 5>Billy and I would be angry, we would be locked.

0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:40.800
<v Speaker 2>In battle, right, But then how do you sing Wedding

0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:43.680
<v Speaker 2>bell Blues to him? Because I know you want to

0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:46.480
<v Speaker 2>kill him. I know that song is such a staple

0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:49.400
<v Speaker 2>for your careers and you have to sell it like

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:51.640
<v Speaker 2>you're singing to him and he's doing the act or whatever,

0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 2>like if if there's an argument that happens, how do

0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:56.040
<v Speaker 2>you sell that song?

0:45:56.920 --> 0:45:59.400
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know you can't take that out on the stage.

0:45:59.680 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 3>You can't.

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:07.560
<v Speaker 9>And so we say, I say, you know, you know

0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:10.279
<v Speaker 9>that's that's always the word. Yeah, you're right, Yeah we will.

0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:14.960
<v Speaker 9>You know, when you get out on.

0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:20.920
<v Speaker 3>Stage and start singing, disappear, you can't be angry. But

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:22.360
<v Speaker 3>could you be angry afterwards?

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Like if you have done all that on stage? Like

0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:28.680
<v Speaker 1>could you could you? Could you get back in? Yes?

0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Boy Bill, I can't wait till we do the new

0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:35.160
<v Speaker 2>edition episode because I got a story from you for that.

0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:38.160
<v Speaker 3>I was like, now we got to get back into this.

0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:40.040
<v Speaker 3>And then you get backstage and you say.

0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:44.279
<v Speaker 1>We are we're working, Remember yeah, because I work with

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:46.560
<v Speaker 1>my girlfriend. It's the same thing, like I don't know

0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:47.680
<v Speaker 1>what we're arguing about.

0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:51.880
<v Speaker 7>And then and then you you know that being anyway,

0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:55.840
<v Speaker 7>you know most of the arguments that that couples have

0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:59.600
<v Speaker 7>a pendy they really are. But I'll tell you think

0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:01.920
<v Speaker 7>about it once the argument is over and you get

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:04.719
<v Speaker 7>away from it, and you think, well, what was that about?

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:05.520
<v Speaker 3>Why did I do that?

0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:08.799
<v Speaker 7>It didn't mean nothing if I could have only thought

0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:11.080
<v Speaker 7>about that before we got into it. But a lot

0:47:11.120 --> 0:47:13.000
<v Speaker 7>of times our egos won't let us do that, so

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:16.720
<v Speaker 7>we've got to carry it out. We can win the battle,

0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:20.440
<v Speaker 7>but you might lose the wallow write.

0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:21.560
<v Speaker 1>That down wise words.

0:47:23.920 --> 0:47:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Amen, But in a group, from a group standpoint, and

0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:32.080
<v Speaker 2>it's five of you, how are you guys able to

0:47:33.719 --> 0:47:36.920
<v Speaker 2>like is it all of us have to be unanimous

0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:41.200
<v Speaker 2>and deciding on something like how how are sort of

0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:42.520
<v Speaker 2>decisions made for.

0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:48.879
<v Speaker 1>Songs or album titles or you know, can we make

0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:49.359
<v Speaker 1>this gig?

0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:50.640
<v Speaker 5>Like? Is it?

0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Is it democracy?

0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Or is it like is there someone that actually is

0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:58.719
<v Speaker 2>the the alpha leader of the group that makes the

0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:00.480
<v Speaker 2>decisions for the things.

0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:02.440
<v Speaker 3>Democracy.

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:05.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, we used to we used to laugh about.

0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:08.080
<v Speaker 5>We used to say laugh about how we would say

0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:09.120
<v Speaker 5>we met more.

0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:14.520
<v Speaker 3>Than the u N Yeah, it was definitely a democracy.

0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:18.560
<v Speaker 7>I mean we we agreed that the one who, uh,

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:21.080
<v Speaker 7>the majority who who came up with it.

0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:22.520
<v Speaker 3>That was the way we went.

0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:25.360
<v Speaker 7>You know, yeah, we we we talked about all of

0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:28.719
<v Speaker 7>our jobs. You know, we agreed to disagree whatever.

0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:31.720
<v Speaker 5>But most of the time, like with with the things

0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 5>that pertain to uh to the career part, like with

0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:38.480
<v Speaker 5>the title of the album and what with the songs,

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:41.800
<v Speaker 5>the final songs that were going to be on the project.

0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:45.440
<v Speaker 3>Most of the time, the the record company.

0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:48.759
<v Speaker 5>Would make that decision, you know, we we would work

0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:50.919
<v Speaker 5>on it and then we'd say, you know what, we're

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:53.759
<v Speaker 5>not record you know, we don't know how to run

0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:56.240
<v Speaker 5>a record company. We know how to make the music

0:48:56.640 --> 0:49:00.319
<v Speaker 5>and let them choose what's gonna what's gonna self.

0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:01.919
<v Speaker 3>Well, that was probably the best.

0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:04.520
<v Speaker 7>That was the best way for the group anyway, because

0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:07.480
<v Speaker 7>putting all five people together talking about which one is

0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:08.480
<v Speaker 7>the best one out there?

0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:13.120
<v Speaker 3>You know, then the fight started, I see it. Yeah,

0:49:13.320 --> 0:49:14.080
<v Speaker 3>we don't want that.

0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that okay. So that leads me to nineteen

0:49:17.080 --> 0:49:22.880
<v Speaker 2>seventy five. What was the process of you two leaving

0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:25.759
<v Speaker 2>the group and going duo.

0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:30.200
<v Speaker 7>Well, you know, that was a that was a tough decision,

0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:35.920
<v Speaker 7>very tough for us, because I don't remember all three

0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:38.239
<v Speaker 7>of the guys from Saint Louis. I mean, we were

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:40.760
<v Speaker 7>like family. We knew each other when we were kids,

0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:44.800
<v Speaker 7>you know, and uh kind of migrated to Los Angeles

0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 7>at different times and ended up being in a group

0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:51.759
<v Speaker 7>and so and and and and and meeting Maryland and

0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:54.000
<v Speaker 7>Florence and being a part of the family. So they

0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:57.360
<v Speaker 7>we were like a family. But we were a family

0:49:57.480 --> 0:50:01.160
<v Speaker 7>who's who had dreams. It's like any families somebody who

0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:03.759
<v Speaker 7>have dreams. Like my whole dream was to come out

0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:07.440
<v Speaker 7>to be a solo singer with more time, you know.

0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:10.320
<v Speaker 7>But Maryland's dream was to be a solo singer with

0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:13.480
<v Speaker 7>whatever we called and come that she could get what

0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:17.000
<v Speaker 7>that would receive her as her as a solo singer,

0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:18.640
<v Speaker 7>you know, a pop singer.

0:50:18.760 --> 0:50:21.560
<v Speaker 3>But and uh, so we thought about it.

0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:25.560
<v Speaker 7>And after ten years, we thought, will we ever fulfilled

0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:28.880
<v Speaker 7>the dream that we really started with? Uh, you know,

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:32.200
<v Speaker 7>would we be the ones to come up with the

0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:34.880
<v Speaker 7>saying that said, if I had only I should have

0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:36.520
<v Speaker 7>would have should have I should have?

0:50:38.000 --> 0:50:39.480
<v Speaker 3>You know, you always had it in the back of

0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:42.080
<v Speaker 3>your mind. Could we have done this on our own?

0:50:42.400 --> 0:50:42.560
<v Speaker 1>You know?

0:50:43.520 --> 0:50:45.799
<v Speaker 7>So we decided and then that at the particular time

0:50:46.360 --> 0:50:48.640
<v Speaker 7>that that was, that was everybody in the group wanted

0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:52.080
<v Speaker 7>to do more, you know, so that that thing was happening,

0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:55.279
<v Speaker 7>you know, so we decided, well, you know, it's it's

0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:58.360
<v Speaker 7>about time for us to to to kind of strike

0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:01.319
<v Speaker 7>out on our own and see what we can do ourselves.

0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:05.959
<v Speaker 2>Did you guys still maintain the friendship after you guys

0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 2>left the group in seventy five, Yeah, yes, we did.

0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:12.320
<v Speaker 5>It took a couple It took a couple of years

0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:14.920
<v Speaker 5>before we you know, because there were hurt feelings and

0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:17.279
<v Speaker 5>which was understandable.

0:51:17.320 --> 0:51:18.120
<v Speaker 3>We could understand that.

0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:21.080
<v Speaker 5>But we're very close as family now.

0:51:21.160 --> 0:51:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, you know, we got through.

0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:27.040
<v Speaker 6>We're just still surviving members. Just who's still surviving alone

0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:29.040
<v Speaker 6>with you guys of the group? Is everyone still alive?

0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:32.439
<v Speaker 3>Not everyone? Ron Townshend has passed away.

0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:36.840
<v Speaker 1>They gave a big one with the beard, right, Yeah, yeah.

0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:39.239
<v Speaker 7>That's the way and all the rest of the other

0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:42.800
<v Speaker 7>four are still living, so is like, in fact, we

0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:47.080
<v Speaker 7>talked to her, but did so Ago and Lamont is

0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:49.080
<v Speaker 7>staying in Las Vegas, and we talked to him not

0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:52.719
<v Speaker 7>too long ago, so we are still were still very close.

0:51:52.840 --> 0:51:53.560
<v Speaker 3>We're very close.

0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:58.600
<v Speaker 2>I have one fifth Dimension question that actually has to

0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:03.080
<v Speaker 2>do with when you guys left left the group, Okay,

0:52:03.360 --> 0:52:05.719
<v Speaker 2>but I'm hoping you can answer this for me because

0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:09.440
<v Speaker 2>it's been killing me. Okay, So this came out when

0:52:09.440 --> 0:52:12.799
<v Speaker 2>I was five years old, so I really even though

0:52:13.320 --> 0:52:16.080
<v Speaker 2>I kind of had an adult's knowledge of music.

0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:22.560
<v Speaker 1>At the age of five, this always killed me. Am I?

0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Am I dreaming?

0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Or did the Fifth Dimension actually have a version of

0:52:28.680 --> 0:52:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Love Hangover before Dinah Ross did? Because I could have

0:52:33.560 --> 0:52:37.080
<v Speaker 2>sworn I've seen them on American Bandstand doing Love Hangover?

0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:40.799
<v Speaker 2>And I was just confused at the time, and it's

0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:43.800
<v Speaker 2>almost like I didn't hear of it. Am I dreaming

0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:44.000
<v Speaker 2>of that?

0:52:44.239 --> 0:52:48.080
<v Speaker 3>Or this was after Billy and I had left the girl.

0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:50.239
<v Speaker 2>After you left. I was just hoping you might know

0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:52.680
<v Speaker 2>the answer to that. You're going to give you the answer,

0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:55.920
<v Speaker 2>So I wasn't dreaming, Okay.

0:52:57.360 --> 0:53:00.520
<v Speaker 3>Did have a version of Love hang Over?

0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:04.560
<v Speaker 5>And Florence sang the lead on it right, and they

0:53:04.680 --> 0:53:09.839
<v Speaker 5>released it as a single right around the same time

0:53:10.880 --> 0:53:18.359
<v Speaker 5>Motown decided to release Diana Ross's version of Love Right.

0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:22.160
<v Speaker 5>And that's why you were confused as a child, because

0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:22.960
<v Speaker 5>you said.

0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute, now, I wasn't crazy.

0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:27.680
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't sound so different.

0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:29.560
<v Speaker 1>You listen to it.

0:53:29.880 --> 0:53:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why did I just bothered to Yeah, all right,

0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:38.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm asking that question. And I was like, number one

0:53:38.800 --> 0:53:39.400
<v Speaker 2>that occur.

0:53:39.239 --> 0:53:39.600
<v Speaker 7>To me to.

0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:43.879
<v Speaker 1>Number ones that I did occur to me. Why don't

0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:45.160
<v Speaker 1>you just YouTuber.

0:53:48.000 --> 0:53:50.360
<v Speaker 2>You're learning of mirror one day you go into the

0:53:50.400 --> 0:53:54.120
<v Speaker 2>stores where not what I was saying, like, I remember

0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:57.839
<v Speaker 2>them doing it on American Bandstand. I remember my mom

0:53:58.600 --> 0:54:03.560
<v Speaker 2>really loving that song when they did it, and I

0:54:03.640 --> 0:54:06.440
<v Speaker 2>remember them doing a few times on like variety shows,

0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:10.080
<v Speaker 2>and then like yeah, when I was in first grade,

0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:12.879
<v Speaker 2>like a year when I was six, and suddenly like, oh,

0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:14.879
<v Speaker 2>it was Dona Ross's song. And then in my mind,

0:54:14.880 --> 0:54:17.120
<v Speaker 2>I was like, wait, was I watching Dona Ross do

0:54:17.200 --> 0:54:19.200
<v Speaker 2>it the whole time? And maybe not, but I knew

0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:22.800
<v Speaker 2>in my mind I always associated love Hangover with the

0:54:22.880 --> 0:54:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Fifth Dimension.

0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:26.800
<v Speaker 4>I just thought I was and although this is the

0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:29.120
<v Speaker 4>Fifth Dimension version with the mones y'all cold, y'all put

0:54:29.120 --> 0:54:31.640
<v Speaker 4>the mones in there too. No, I mean, okay, okay,

0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:36.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, inappropriate and inappropriate excuse me?

0:54:36.400 --> 0:54:36.680
<v Speaker 3>Sorry?

0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:54:38.719 --> 0:54:42.600
<v Speaker 2>So in going solo, well, first of all, let it

0:54:42.719 --> 0:54:45.759
<v Speaker 2>let it be known that the very first time that

0:54:45.880 --> 0:54:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I ever saw Jay Leno.

0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Was on the Billy Davis Junior Marilyn mccous show. Could

0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:54.960
<v Speaker 1>you all right?

0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:57.760
<v Speaker 2>So for our listeners out there that are that are listening,

0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:03.880
<v Speaker 2>can you explain the the value or the importance of

0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:09.520
<v Speaker 2>the variety show in the seventies? Like, I know that

0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:14.080
<v Speaker 2>now we live in a reality show kind of environment,

0:55:14.400 --> 0:55:17.839
<v Speaker 2>But when I was growing up, I remember like Last

0:55:17.960 --> 0:55:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Night and the Pips having a variety show. I remember

0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Flip Wilson, Tony Orlando and Dawn like Shields and Yard Nell,

0:55:26.600 --> 0:55:31.839
<v Speaker 2>like everyone had the Jackson's. Everyone had a variety show.

0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:36.000
<v Speaker 2>What was the like, was that a desire for you

0:55:36.120 --> 0:55:37.879
<v Speaker 2>guys or was it like this is going to take

0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:39.000
<v Speaker 2>you guys to the next level?

0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:41.760
<v Speaker 1>What was the big deal with variety shows?

0:55:43.680 --> 0:55:45.960
<v Speaker 5>I think that, yeah, I think that that was that

0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:47.560
<v Speaker 5>was the thing to do at that time.

0:55:47.680 --> 0:55:48.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that.

0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:48.879
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:52.520
<v Speaker 3>We would basically the first black couple to really have

0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:53.919
<v Speaker 3>a variety show.

0:55:54.560 --> 0:55:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in the industry, you know.

0:55:57.160 --> 0:56:01.440
<v Speaker 7>And it was a summer replacement show, and we had

0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:03.320
<v Speaker 7>six shows to do and we and we and we

0:56:03.440 --> 0:56:08.040
<v Speaker 7>completed that and uh, but but doing television was was

0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:10.520
<v Speaker 7>was good. The only thing that that that was a

0:56:10.600 --> 0:56:13.399
<v Speaker 7>little a bit confusing for us was having to learn

0:56:13.520 --> 0:56:16.600
<v Speaker 7>songs so quick, you know, because for the television you

0:56:16.680 --> 0:56:19.239
<v Speaker 7>have to learn the song almost like that week and

0:56:19.400 --> 0:56:22.880
<v Speaker 7>then performing that way that week, you know. And uh,

0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:24.880
<v Speaker 7>we used to spend a little bit more time on

0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:27.640
<v Speaker 7>songs to kind of make those songs us you know,

0:56:27.800 --> 0:56:29.719
<v Speaker 7>make it, make it, we can get some meat out

0:56:29.760 --> 0:56:30.920
<v Speaker 7>of it, you know, right.

0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:33.440
<v Speaker 3>But that that was the only thing outside of that.

0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:36.560
<v Speaker 7>We were ready for it because we love We enjoyed

0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:39.480
<v Speaker 7>doing the skits and you know, all of the funny

0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:41.800
<v Speaker 7>stuff and the love songs.

0:56:41.880 --> 0:56:45.040
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, it was good. It was good. But that

0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:48.279
<v Speaker 3>us being the first one. Then after that a lot

0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:50.239
<v Speaker 3>of these other shows started coming on.

0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:53.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but like you were saying about Jay Meno, so

0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:56.640
<v Speaker 5>so what we did with our skits, because you always

0:56:56.680 --> 0:56:58.520
<v Speaker 5>had to have a little humor in the show, right,

0:56:58.680 --> 0:57:01.360
<v Speaker 5>And so the idea was, since we had spent so

0:57:01.480 --> 0:57:04.560
<v Speaker 5>much time on the road. Why not make the road

0:57:04.640 --> 0:57:08.239
<v Speaker 5>experience be part of your your humor in the show.

0:57:08.800 --> 0:57:12.000
<v Speaker 5>And uh, Jay Leno came along. He was a young

0:57:12.200 --> 0:57:16.000
<v Speaker 5>unknown comic at the time, and we ended up he

0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:19.160
<v Speaker 5>ended up being our playing our tour managed.

0:57:21.240 --> 0:57:24.800
<v Speaker 1>And he would always give you guys like weird assignments.

0:57:24.880 --> 0:57:29.560
<v Speaker 3>That was like remember that we get lost somewhere, you know,

0:57:29.680 --> 0:57:30.160
<v Speaker 3>on the road.

0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I totally remember that.

0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:35.800
<v Speaker 2>And you guys were in the show the same way, right,

0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:38.120
<v Speaker 2>Like you guys would say good night like was it

0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:40.320
<v Speaker 2>in like in bed?

0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:43.080
<v Speaker 10>Like yeah, that was like it would be like at

0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:45.640
<v Speaker 10>the end of the day, like right, you know, and

0:57:45.840 --> 0:57:47.960
<v Speaker 10>getting ready to say good night to one another, you know,

0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:52.160
<v Speaker 10>singing a song, singing the love and then turning off

0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:52.640
<v Speaker 10>the light.

0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:52.880
<v Speaker 5>You know.

0:57:53.520 --> 0:57:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Right. Wait, you said that was only six episodes in

0:57:56.520 --> 0:57:56.880
<v Speaker 1>the summer.

0:57:57.480 --> 0:57:59.320
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, yes, so weird.

0:57:59.400 --> 0:58:03.120
<v Speaker 2>Like am I again like in my mind I'm thinking like,

0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:05.480
<v Speaker 2>oh that that was on for like four or five years.

0:58:05.560 --> 0:58:10.040
<v Speaker 2>I I well, I mean we watched it religiously in

0:58:10.120 --> 0:58:11.000
<v Speaker 2>the crit in the house.

0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:12.880
<v Speaker 1>So okay. I see.

0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:16.080
<v Speaker 7>That's the power of television because you know, you can

0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:18.640
<v Speaker 7>show them over and over and over every run.

0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:21.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, people think that they happened. There's something there's more

0:58:21.520 --> 0:58:22.880
<v Speaker 3>than just six you know.

0:58:28.000 --> 0:58:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Are you guys aware of the kind of the status

0:58:33.240 --> 0:58:37.320
<v Speaker 2>I'll say that in in like dancehall reggae culture, I

0:58:37.440 --> 0:58:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Hope we get to Love and Time kind of has

0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:45.560
<v Speaker 2>a different meaning in the Islands, Like that song it's

0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:49.720
<v Speaker 2>been covered so many times by like various singers in

0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Jamaica that were you guys even aware of how big

0:58:53.240 --> 0:58:55.880
<v Speaker 2>that song is over there or at least the mountain covers,

0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:56.560
<v Speaker 2>Like there's.

0:58:56.400 --> 0:58:56.960
<v Speaker 1>A least.

0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:01.560
<v Speaker 3>We've never heard it. I'd love to hear it.

0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's it's almost it's kind of like a

0:59:05.400 --> 0:59:08.800
<v Speaker 2>staple like that's that's that's one of the ballots you

0:59:09.080 --> 0:59:12.919
<v Speaker 2>have to sing, if you you know, if you're kind

0:59:12.960 --> 0:59:17.320
<v Speaker 2>of in the at least around like the early eighties,

0:59:17.400 --> 0:59:20.919
<v Speaker 2>suddenly there was like just a onslought of I Hope

0:59:20.960 --> 0:59:21.919
<v Speaker 2>we get to Love and Time.

0:59:23.560 --> 0:59:25.280
<v Speaker 3>No idea, No, we didn't know it.

0:59:25.680 --> 0:59:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh okay, yeah, I was going to say that

0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:33.400
<v Speaker 2>with with your Love and You Don't have to be started?

0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Was it was it different or did you guys at

0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:41.560
<v Speaker 2>least have more creative control in the songs that you

0:59:41.640 --> 0:59:48.480
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do outside of the Bell label where they

0:59:48.560 --> 0:59:50.840
<v Speaker 2>mostly made the decisions for you. What was the difference

0:59:51.000 --> 0:59:53.840
<v Speaker 2>in coming to ABC than it was for Bell.

0:59:54.640 --> 1:00:00.160
<v Speaker 11>Well, basically, you know what we were with ABC. The

1:00:00.200 --> 1:00:03.040
<v Speaker 11>smith was the it was what do you call it

1:00:03.240 --> 1:00:03.760
<v Speaker 11>his position?

1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:05.760
<v Speaker 3>Ye man?

1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:09.240
<v Speaker 7>And when he when he picked Don Davis to be

1:00:09.320 --> 1:00:13.760
<v Speaker 7>our producer. But yeah, well yeah, Don Davis he producer.

1:00:14.520 --> 1:00:17.800
<v Speaker 7>I hope we get to Love and Time album, but

1:00:17.960 --> 1:00:20.520
<v Speaker 7>he would. He came to us with a bunch of songs,

1:00:21.400 --> 1:00:23.880
<v Speaker 7>and you don't have to be a star was was

1:00:24.040 --> 1:00:27.280
<v Speaker 7>one of them. And right naturally when we heard that.

1:00:27.400 --> 1:00:30.080
<v Speaker 3>We thought, boy, this is this is clever, you know,

1:00:30.200 --> 1:00:32.240
<v Speaker 3>what a great saying. You don't have to be a

1:00:32.320 --> 1:00:34.360
<v Speaker 3>star to be in my show, you know, And it

1:00:34.600 --> 1:00:36.240
<v Speaker 3>just it just seemed a bit you know.

1:00:36.480 --> 1:00:39.000
<v Speaker 7>And but we always thought that I hope we get

1:00:39.040 --> 1:00:41.880
<v Speaker 7>to Love and Time would be the statement that we

1:00:42.000 --> 1:00:43.880
<v Speaker 7>wanted to make because Maryland and me and knowing from

1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:47.600
<v Speaker 7>the love songs, you know, and uh, come to find

1:00:47.640 --> 1:00:49.640
<v Speaker 7>out that you don't have to be a star was

1:00:50.400 --> 1:00:53.000
<v Speaker 7>was the major hit offs that Yeah you did behind

1:00:53.040 --> 1:00:55.600
<v Speaker 7>that became another hit was your.

1:00:55.520 --> 1:01:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Love, Yeah, your Love and your little gospel uh riffs

1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:06.280
<v Speaker 2>at the end of it. I've seen that a lot

1:01:06.320 --> 1:01:10.920
<v Speaker 2>in the second grade. Sorry, do you remember it all?

1:01:11.960 --> 1:01:15.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm a big fan also of Frank Wilson. Uh,

1:01:16.560 --> 1:01:19.120
<v Speaker 2>his production work, especially what you know he worked on

1:01:20.440 --> 1:01:23.120
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of Eddie Kendrick's solo stuff.

1:01:23.560 --> 1:01:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Yes, he's the prime producer. What was it like working

1:01:26.240 --> 1:01:26.920
<v Speaker 1>with Frank Wilson?

1:01:27.640 --> 1:01:30.800
<v Speaker 3>Frank was a good friend. Yes, yes, Frank was not

1:01:30.920 --> 1:01:33.440
<v Speaker 3>only a good friend. You know, Frank ended up becoming

1:01:34.440 --> 1:01:35.520
<v Speaker 3>a preacher, a pastor.

1:01:36.280 --> 1:01:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, okay, yeah.

1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:41.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was. He was very instrumental in Maryland and

1:01:42.000 --> 1:01:46.960
<v Speaker 3>me becoming Christians, you know. Okay, that was his assignment,

1:01:47.000 --> 1:01:50.960
<v Speaker 3>I guess in his life to bring as many entertained

1:01:50.960 --> 1:01:52.080
<v Speaker 3>as christ as he could.

1:01:52.160 --> 1:01:54.600
<v Speaker 7>And uh, and that was a good thing for us,

1:01:54.840 --> 1:01:57.400
<v Speaker 7>you know, because it's one of the things that really

1:01:57.520 --> 1:02:00.760
<v Speaker 7>kept us even closer than than we really are.

1:02:01.680 --> 1:02:04.920
<v Speaker 3>Wow, love for our faith, you know.

1:02:05.640 --> 1:02:10.120
<v Speaker 7>And but Frank was the producer of the two of

1:02:10.240 --> 1:02:14.640
<v Speaker 7>Us album that we did, and we found out later

1:02:14.720 --> 1:02:18.080
<v Speaker 7>on that there was a song on on that album

1:02:18.200 --> 1:02:23.440
<v Speaker 7>called Wonderful right, and it was more of an R

1:02:23.480 --> 1:02:25.640
<v Speaker 7>and B flavor, you know, kind of kind of song.

1:02:25.800 --> 1:02:27.680
<v Speaker 7>And we found out that that song was.

1:02:27.680 --> 1:02:30.480
<v Speaker 3>A major hit in Germany. We never we never even

1:02:30.560 --> 1:02:30.840
<v Speaker 3>knew it.

1:02:31.520 --> 1:02:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh really no, we never knew it.

1:02:33.960 --> 1:02:38.080
<v Speaker 12>We were on a ship doing a doing a cruise

1:02:38.680 --> 1:02:41.040
<v Speaker 12>and this German guy was on on the hit come

1:02:41.720 --> 1:02:43.400
<v Speaker 12>and he asked us, He said, you guys want to

1:02:43.440 --> 1:02:44.160
<v Speaker 12>sing wonderful.

1:02:45.360 --> 1:02:49.280
<v Speaker 1>We looked at and you had no idea show.

1:02:49.360 --> 1:02:51.880
<v Speaker 3>We hadn't even thought about it, you know, he said, Yes,

1:02:51.960 --> 1:02:53.440
<v Speaker 3>a big hit in Germany, big hit.

1:02:56.080 --> 1:02:58.480
<v Speaker 5>One of the fun things about working with Frank was

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<v Speaker 5>that we love.

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<v Speaker 3>We all love.

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<v Speaker 5>We all loved picking unusual songs and uh, Frank would.

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<v Speaker 5>Frank brought some unusual songs to us and things that

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<v Speaker 5>we found fun, fun to do and kind of wacky,

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<v Speaker 5>kind of different.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't end up with a hit with a good

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<v Speaker 3>time singing those songs because they were different, Yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they were different. But the one love song that we

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<v Speaker 3>did love was.

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<v Speaker 7>For you.

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<v Speaker 3>What what is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I was going to ask about saving all my

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<v Speaker 2>love for you? I know that you guys had that

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<v Speaker 2>first before Whitney Houston did.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, we did, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, like, how how did you guys come across

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<v Speaker 1>that song?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>My gosh.

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<v Speaker 5>Michael Master wrote the song and oh gosh, now now

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<v Speaker 5>you got me, You got me on that one. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't remember how that's song was brought to us, do

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<v Speaker 5>you remember?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>I think I think we ran into Michael Mass somewhere

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<v Speaker 7>and he wanted to produce us and he and he

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<v Speaker 7>wanted us to do that that song and another song

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<v Speaker 7>that I did. I forgot the name of it. The

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<v Speaker 7>song was my reason to be iss.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Frank songs on the two of Us album.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 7>We always thought that that would be one of the

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<v Speaker 7>greatest love songs that we had recorded.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, but saving all my love for you, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>we went into the studio with Michael and and uh Whitney.

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<v Speaker 1>Whitney turned that song out, Yes, yes, to say the least,

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<v Speaker 1>to save the least.

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<v Speaker 3>He did a beautiful job on that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, of course, you know, of course we've ever missed.

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<v Speaker 2>If we didn't mention that, Carlam and Coup I guess

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<v Speaker 2>around eighty two eighty three replaced Dion Warik as the

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<v Speaker 2>host of Solid Gold.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>I knew he was going salad go.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, could you.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about the experience of how that came to be?

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, you know that was such a legendary show.

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<v Speaker 2>And at the time when you were hosting practically any

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<v Speaker 2>artist worth their weight in gold. I mean even Prince,

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<v Speaker 2>who was notorious for snubbing shows like had to do

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<v Speaker 2>Solid Gold twice.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's that whole experience?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, I enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course, Dion did it for the first year and

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<v Speaker 5>she and well, actually, let's see Dion and I'm going

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<v Speaker 5>to Gibb, Dion and Glenny Campbell. That did I think

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<v Speaker 5>they did the first year? The first I don't even

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<v Speaker 5>think they did the first year. I think they did

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<v Speaker 5>the I think they they introduced the show. But then

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know what happened with with Dion and Glenn.

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<v Speaker 5>But but Dion ended up hosting the first year, right,

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<v Speaker 5>and then after that, I don't I don't know the

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<v Speaker 5>inner workings because I came in after all that was

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<v Speaker 5>going on, and uh, the producers had decided that they

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<v Speaker 5>wanted to and they wanted Andy Gibb to be the

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<v Speaker 5>to be the host, and then they thought about combining.

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<v Speaker 5>They liked the idea of Dion and Glenn.

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<v Speaker 3>They liked the the the male and female right male

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<v Speaker 3>female and.

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<v Speaker 5>Anyway, so they auditioned me with with with Andy and

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<v Speaker 5>they liked the combination, and so I ended up doing

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<v Speaker 5>that first year with with Andy and and they liked it.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the end of the first year, Andy.

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<v Speaker 5>Moved on he was had having some issues, right, and

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<v Speaker 5>so then I ended up doing this I don't need

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<v Speaker 5>to take you through.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's we're here for it.

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<v Speaker 3>The Rick Smith and I co hosted the show the next.

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<v Speaker 1>Year Rick Smith or Rick d No, right, Rex Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>I toally forgot about that, okay later later right.

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<v Speaker 3>So then Rex and I did it the second year

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<v Speaker 3>and then the third year.

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<v Speaker 5>They were trying to decide who who I should work

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<v Speaker 5>with on the third year, and then they decided that

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<v Speaker 5>that they would just go with me, and so then

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<v Speaker 5>I was I was with a solid goal for those

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<v Speaker 5>next three years.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the only years I remember.

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<v Speaker 2>The years I was Yeah, well, because y'all were children,

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<v Speaker 2>What was this? What was the scheduling uh into? Because

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, because they were celebrating the charts. Was it

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<v Speaker 2>all year round or was it like seasonal?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was it was seasonal.

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<v Speaker 5>We would we would do the shows we would do

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<v Speaker 5>we would tape every other week and we would go

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<v Speaker 5>with the charts and what was big at that time,

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<v Speaker 5>and uh, we would we would tape Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 5>and then uh, then the following week would be off.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd go out and work. Billy and I would go

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<v Speaker 5>out and work, and then I'd come back and we

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<v Speaker 5>feature the next songs that were popular then and that

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<v Speaker 5>I see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so but it was basically just it was a

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<v Speaker 1>good experience in doing that.

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<v Speaker 5>I enjoy that a lot because, uh, like you said,

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<v Speaker 5>everybody came on and did the shows and you know

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<v Speaker 5>your your your. I remember when Madonna came on, and

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<v Speaker 5>of course I remember Prince being there, and that was

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<v Speaker 5>that was I don't I didn't get a chance to

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<v Speaker 5>really spend any time with Prince because he's kind of

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<v Speaker 5>it was kind of shy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but still it was. It was a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 3>And the dancers, of course, were just amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, how nice was Darcel Wayne.

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<v Speaker 2>She was sort of like a unicorn in that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>probably next to Cheryl's song on Soul Train. Darcel Wayne

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<v Speaker 2>was probably the most popular dancer on Solid Goal. But

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<v Speaker 2>you never heard of anything I've earned in the press

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<v Speaker 2>or anything. So it's just like this woman with this

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful long hair on the show, and then I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>hear much from her afterwards, like was she.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, what was she like still out there she's

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<v Speaker 5>dancing and she I don't. I haven't seen Darcela in

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<v Speaker 5>quite a while.

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<v Speaker 1>But she was.

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<v Speaker 5>She was a pleasure to work with and she was

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<v Speaker 5>just beautiful, just awesome to watch. I mean, her dancing

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<v Speaker 5>was just amazing, and uh it was I enjoyed the experience.

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<v Speaker 7>I enjoyed it too because I got a chance to

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<v Speaker 7>be on the show quite a few times myself.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, those are the advantages. We would Billy would come

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<v Speaker 3>on and we would sing our duets.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>I enjoyed that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It should also be noted that Casper the even even

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<v Speaker 2>though Jeffrey Daniels sort of gets the glory for teaching

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Jackson how to do the womb Wark moon walk,

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<v Speaker 2>it was it was actually, uh Casper, who was a

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<v Speaker 2>dancer on Solid Gold that really, you know, taught Michael

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<v Speaker 2>the aesthetics on how to do the moon walk.

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<v Speaker 3>He was also okay, I didn't even know that.

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<v Speaker 4>Dancers.

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<v Speaker 13>This is my wealth of useless knowledge right right now,

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<v Speaker 13>like this moment, right now, only for this specific moment.

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<v Speaker 1>So also wanted to know. I know that you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Went through to your gospel phase shortly thereafter, in the

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<v Speaker 2>mid to late eighties and in the nineties, I recall

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<v Speaker 2>I believe you guys as the Fifth Dimension reunited.

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<v Speaker 1>What was like, What was that process like in reuniting

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<v Speaker 1>the group, and how was it?

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<v Speaker 5>There was a special moment moment I think that would

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<v Speaker 5>that says it all. The first time we got back

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<v Speaker 5>together and we started talking about we were going to

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<v Speaker 5>do this reunion tour, and we said, well, first of all,

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<v Speaker 5>let's see where we are. And so you know, we

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<v Speaker 5>hadn't sung any harmonies together in many years, and of

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<v Speaker 5>course you know, we had gotten away from that, so

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<v Speaker 5>we weren't remembering the harmonies so so well. And so

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<v Speaker 5>we got around the piano and they said, let's start

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<v Speaker 5>out with up Up and the way, which is unison

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<v Speaker 5>and everybody remembers that, and we started to sing would

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<v Speaker 5>you like to ride in My beautiful and our voices

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<v Speaker 5>are the blend. We all started looking at one another

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<v Speaker 5>and saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, that's right.

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<v Speaker 7>Still there, still got it, like we never walked away

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<v Speaker 7>from each other, you know, it was it was the

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<v Speaker 7>same sound.

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<v Speaker 3>It was wow, this is amazing. You know, it was

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<v Speaker 3>very it was very emotional.

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<v Speaker 7>And then the democracy started again, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>we started getting together and doing doing jobs. But it

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<v Speaker 7>was set up the way we had it set up

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<v Speaker 7>with the with the Fifth Dimension before we left.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, So how how long did the reunion tour last?

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<v Speaker 5>For? Yeah, a couple of years we did. We did

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<v Speaker 5>some performances together and then and Billy and I still

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<v Speaker 5>had some some of our duet shows that we had

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<v Speaker 5>to do, and Florence and Lamont and Ronald. UH had

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<v Speaker 5>two other members in the group and they had their

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<v Speaker 5>performances so that, you know, they had bookings, We had bookings.

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<v Speaker 5>But then we would come together and UH do some

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<v Speaker 5>original we would call it the original Fifth Dimension and

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<v Speaker 5>work for different companies and they were it was considered

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<v Speaker 5>like a very special occasion to have.

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<v Speaker 3>The Original Fifth Dimension during that time. They called them

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<v Speaker 3>corporate jobs. You know, we played a lot of job.

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<v Speaker 1>Trust me that that still exists.

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<v Speaker 4>It's also kind of dope that y'all didn't agree on

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<v Speaker 4>that whole original dimension versus the other dimension and let

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<v Speaker 4>them do their own thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, it was it weird for

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<v Speaker 2>you to see because even way into the eighties, I

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<v Speaker 2>kept seeing, you know, like Florence would have another lineup

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<v Speaker 2>long after ron And and Lamont left the group. Was

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of weird sort of seeing at least the

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<v Speaker 2>name uh still carrying on without the four original members

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<v Speaker 2>in the group.

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<v Speaker 5>For you guys, it was, Yeah, it sounded different, you

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<v Speaker 5>know to us, I mean to the audiences, to us too.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say it for you it sounded weird to us too.

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<v Speaker 7>But you know, not only that, we would when we

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<v Speaker 7>were could, we would go and see them and support

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<v Speaker 7>them and be there form.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, okay, I see.

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<v Speaker 2>Also we should mention what was it like playing I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a big fan of the original Jamie Fox Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I know that. Yeah, you guys, Fancy's parents parents.

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<v Speaker 5>We enjoyed that so much. That was a that was

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<v Speaker 5>a great group of people to be working with. Producers.

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<v Speaker 5>Jamie was delightful and.

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<v Speaker 3>We got to kick out of that. Yes, yes, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what.

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<v Speaker 7>Jamie is so talented, my god, I mean, just to

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<v Speaker 7>see him work and the stuff that comes off the

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<v Speaker 7>top of his head, I mean, he's just he's a creative,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, it just comes out of him, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, they might need a song for a special moment

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<v Speaker 5>in the show, and uh so then they would say, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>we need a song here, and Jamie would go off

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<v Speaker 5>somewhere and he'd come back and it's a brilliant song.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, wow, yeah, that's good. So I'll say that. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, we got we got to mention Blackbird. What

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<v Speaker 1>what was the what was the.

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<v Speaker 2>Sort of the idea and in covering Lennon McCartney songs

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<v Speaker 2>for the Blackbird project, especially in light of when, when

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<v Speaker 2>it was and why it was released last year or

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<v Speaker 2>this year? We came out, well, it's just earlier, earlier

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<v Speaker 2>this year. You recorded last year, though, What was the

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<v Speaker 2>significance behind or at least the process and in recording

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<v Speaker 2>that that album.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, our our producer, our management company, we had been

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<v Speaker 5>talking about a project. A young man by the name

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<v Speaker 5>of Nick Mendosa, uh had been introduced to us and

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<v Speaker 5>and our management company thought that he would be a

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<v Speaker 5>wonderful producer to work with. And now Nick is a

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<v Speaker 5>millennial producer, yes, a very young but very you know,

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<v Speaker 5>interesting knowledge of the two of them who we were,

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<v Speaker 5>our voices, our sounds, and and you know, we started

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<v Speaker 5>talking about ideas and we were very concerned and troubled

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<v Speaker 5>by what's what's been going on in our country, and

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<v Speaker 5>we felt like, if we're going to do something, we

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<v Speaker 5>want to do something that speaks to what is going

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<v Speaker 5>on right now. As we told Nick how we felt

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<v Speaker 5>and what we would love to do, Nick was very

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<v Speaker 5>very much interested because he said, well, you know, you

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<v Speaker 5>guys are talking about the things that that people my

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<v Speaker 5>age are worried about, you know, about what's happening to

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<v Speaker 5>our country and why are you know, why are we

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<v Speaker 5>so at odds and what's the what is.

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<v Speaker 7>The division about it? You know, it's not young people

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<v Speaker 7>don't know. They haven't lived what we have lived, but

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<v Speaker 7>they still want to know what it's all about. And

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<v Speaker 7>we had been doing Blackbird and having Beatles Medley in

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<v Speaker 7>our live show, and so we were familiar with with

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<v Speaker 7>Blackbird and what it meant because uh, Lennon and McCartney

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<v Speaker 7>wrote it as a as A as A as A

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<v Speaker 7>as an anthem, the civil rights anthem, you know, and

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<v Speaker 7>so we just, hey, that's that's.

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<v Speaker 3>This is really ah uh a movement, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh, it's a civil rights movement, is the way we

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<v Speaker 7>looked at it, you know, because everybody everybody needs to

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<v Speaker 7>know what's going on out here, you know. So we

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<v Speaker 7>decided to go ahead and start doing putting Blackbird in,

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<v Speaker 7>and we started listening to more of the Beatles songs

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<v Speaker 7>and started putting stories kind of like behind these these songs,

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<v Speaker 7>like uh uh ticket to Ride with Rose of parks

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<v Speaker 7>Man when she wouldn't give give up a seat on

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<v Speaker 7>the bus and she she she just you know, and

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<v Speaker 7>and and and her being uh going to jail and her.

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<v Speaker 14>Husband waiting for her, you know, and you don't know

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<v Speaker 14>the story about her husband. That was another story, you know.

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<v Speaker 14>So Blackbird is and and in the front of the

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<v Speaker 14>album portrays.

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<v Speaker 3>All of the.

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<v Speaker 7>The the people who were killed and and and and

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<v Speaker 7>and and just for no reason at all, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>just because of the color. And it's created a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of division in our society, and that we just prayed

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<v Speaker 7>at this album will be a healing project.

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<v Speaker 5>We're so we were so inspired and encouraged by the

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<v Speaker 5>young people and how they were coming together and protesting together,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, across racial lines, across across cultural lines, and

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<v Speaker 5>we're saying that this.

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<v Speaker 3>Is what our country needs. We've got to come together,

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<v Speaker 3>We've got to draw together and make the.

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<v Speaker 5>Statement understood and heard, and we just felt like we

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<v Speaker 5>want like you said, we wanted to make it.

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<v Speaker 3>Like a movement, and that's human rights, human rights movement.

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<v Speaker 4>Congratulations for another number one album on the R and

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<v Speaker 4>B charts. That's pretty pretty great.

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<v Speaker 5>Excited about the response that we've been seeing because I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, at this age for us to be doing

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<v Speaker 5>this now, it's just amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's your time. You had a lot to do with that,

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<v Speaker 3>with with uh we're finding this this uh footage of love. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>just like you created a renaissance for us, Yes you have,

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<v Speaker 3>but thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it on our show, your show, absolutely No,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that probably you know, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>key scenes that that's in the movie that really touch people,

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<v Speaker 2>like when they when they tell me how much they

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<v Speaker 2>loved it, especially for like fellow fellow black artists that

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<v Speaker 2>I show it to. First of all, just watching you

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<v Speaker 2>to watch it. I couldn't have I couldn't have scripted

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<v Speaker 2>it better, you know, it couldn't have. It couldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>happened more pitch perfect, note perfect than your interview portion,

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<v Speaker 2>especially you know, letting the sentiments be known. How important

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<v Speaker 2>playing that festival was and connecting with black audiences that

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise might have been familiar with you guys at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and how it really really touched them. And I will

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<v Speaker 2>say that, you know, I should be thinking you because

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, it's it's the footage itself is

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<v Speaker 2>magic on its own. But you guys, really human eye

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<v Speaker 2>did and really touch people's hearts with with with your

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<v Speaker 2>portion of of that movie. And you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you both.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow for doing that.

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<v Speaker 10>It was just you know, we were just doing it

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<v Speaker 10>was such a special special what you put together was

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<v Speaker 10>was was beautiful.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, that's that's the only way we can react

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<v Speaker 7>to it. I mean, it's just what comes from the

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<v Speaker 7>hot ghost to the heart, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>And we were so happy for you to win that

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<v Speaker 5>grand Jury from Sundance at the festival. Yes, we were

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<v Speaker 5>just so excited that that happened, you know, because and

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<v Speaker 5>and your premier, this is your first directory experience come

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<v Speaker 5>up with such a powerful, a powerful success like this,

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<v Speaker 5>and we're just so excited for you.

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<v Speaker 3>But for over fifteen years, all the stars I will

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<v Speaker 3>own that footage. It's just.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I asked myself that all the time. But you know, now,

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<v Speaker 1>now's the time, like I feel like.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's the whole compliment.

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<v Speaker 3>I am sitting here floor.

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<v Speaker 5>You did not interrupt them.

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<v Speaker 4>You let them tell you all, tell you all.

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<v Speaker 1>You looked famous for avoiding compliments. I hate compliments. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>You're good. I just gotta take it or I'll still

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<v Speaker 1>tease me about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Wos Wait before I wrap up, there's there is one

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<v Speaker 2>question I got to ask, only because the sample is

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<v Speaker 2>so famous.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that, uh Billy.

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<v Speaker 2>You started your own independent label sometime in the mid

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<v Speaker 2>seventies and one of your clients, one of the late

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<v Speaker 2>acts on the label was Jimmy Caster Bunch, Yes, what

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<v Speaker 2>was that? What was that experience like, only because on

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<v Speaker 2>that particular album, just because a famous it's uh well no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>not just begun on the but no uh Kanye's uh

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<v Speaker 2>so the first song on Graduation.

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<v Speaker 1>Good Morning, It's It's yeah, it's it's.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Jimmy Caster's cover of I Just Want to Start

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<v Speaker 2>by uh Gino Vanelli.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, it's but yeah, it's it's on the label that

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<v Speaker 1>really headed what is yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>What was working with Jimmy Caster like during that period

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<v Speaker 2>and what made you want to start your own label

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<v Speaker 2>during that period.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it was I've.

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<v Speaker 7>Always wanted to produce and and and and and create

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<v Speaker 7>my whole kind of way in life. And and uh

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<v Speaker 7>at the particular time, Uh, Jimmy's sister Linda was working

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<v Speaker 7>working for our company, you know, telling us about Jimmy

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<v Speaker 7>and uh, and when we met him, it was like

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<v Speaker 7>it was like family.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he was just a regular guy loving his music.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, so we just we just got into

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<v Speaker 3>it and say, let's get visit with some music. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I see everything that you hear on that album, that's

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<v Speaker 3>all Jimmy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know you guys, I mean it goes without

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<v Speaker 2>saying that you guys are are a class act. And

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<v Speaker 2>I really really, really really thank you for giving us

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<v Speaker 2>your time and coming on the show. And I just

1:25:30.800 --> 1:25:34.120
<v Speaker 2>love you guys to death. I'm a genuine fan of

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<v Speaker 2>the group.

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<v Speaker 1>I thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys are an inspiration also, especially in a time period

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<v Speaker 2>which how you're such.

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<v Speaker 5>A serious historian. Yes, that is your heart. And you

1:25:47.120 --> 1:25:49.080
<v Speaker 5>know when you meet somebody like that, you want to

1:25:49.160 --> 1:25:51.280
<v Speaker 5>share with them all the knowledge that you have.

1:25:51.520 --> 1:25:54.600
<v Speaker 3>To to you know, to contribute to.

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<v Speaker 5>To your.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you know, I'm not a historian. I'm just really

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<v Speaker 2>really really big Billy Jacobs and I thank you guys

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<v Speaker 2>for it, and you know, much continued success. Okay, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>my last question is what do you want the legacy

1:26:29.520 --> 1:26:31.880
<v Speaker 2>of Billy Davis and Marlin mccood to be?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow? Well, you know, for me, I know, it's just that.

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<v Speaker 7>People coming together and just being who we are to

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<v Speaker 7>one another, not not being putting on trying to be

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<v Speaker 7>more than what we are, just just just be who

1:26:56.040 --> 1:26:59.599
<v Speaker 7>you are and just people coming together on one accord.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, if we can just do that and and

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<v Speaker 7>and and have our human rights, that would be a

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<v Speaker 7>legacy for me before I leave here.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's hey, that's a night drop, right, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>mic drop right there. Well, thank you very much for

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<v Speaker 2>doing the show. I love and appreciate you guys on

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<v Speaker 2>behalf of Layah and Unpaid, Bill and Shukar, Steve and

1:27:27.320 --> 1:27:31.040
<v Speaker 2>fon Tigelo this Quest Love. I cannot believe I got

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to Billy Davis and Marion Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much. This is Quest Love Supreme. Will

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<v Speaker 1>see you on the next program. Yo, what's up?

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