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Speaker 1: And we welcome you into Buria and the Dog Bowl.

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Speaker 1: We are eight weeks into the two thousand and nineteen

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns football season, and unfortunately not exactly the start

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Speaker 1: or the first half that I think many of us

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Speaker 1: thought would be coming our way. I'm Jason Gibbs. Next

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Speaker 1: to me is Andrew Gribble. To the right of me,

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Speaker 1: John Greco, former Cleveland Browns offensive lineman, and guys. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Definitely a disappointing start to the two thousand nineteen season.

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Speaker 1: But the good news is still plenty of football left.

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Speaker 1: There were some good things in the Denver game, but

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Speaker 1: something still that you need to work out and figure

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Speaker 1: out here as we get ready for the Buffalo Bills. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you would have told me before the game that

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Speaker 1: the team would only commit five penalties I think, zero

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Speaker 1: on offense the entire game, no turnovers, and the fact

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Speaker 1: that they outgained the Broncos, I mean there was some more.

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Speaker 1: You would have eleven more minutes a time of possession.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it just had all the stats were in

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Speaker 1: your favor to win that game, and yet here you

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Speaker 1: are on the losing end because it was it was

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Speaker 1: the red zone issues over and over again. And I

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Speaker 1: remember telling uh Nick during the game, my least favorite

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Speaker 1: situation for this Browns team right now is first and

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Speaker 1: goal at the nine yard line. Like I'm good with

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Speaker 1: like first and goal to two or thir three, because

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Speaker 1: I think you can just pound it away with Chub.

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Speaker 1: But it's like when you're when they're in that zone,

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Speaker 1: it's just like the offense kind of short shuts down

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Everything gets a little too clogged, and

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Speaker 1: it's just been too much to overcome. And when you

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Speaker 1: can't cash in those opportunities against team like Denver, uh,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna come out and losing it. Because they're a

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Speaker 1: good red zone defense team to begin with. Uh they've

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Speaker 1: only let touchdowns up in two of the last sixteen times.

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Speaker 1: But you just have to cast those opportunities in, especially

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Speaker 1: for our team when you play so well in so

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Speaker 1: many other areas in that game, John, how frustrating is

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Speaker 1: it as an offensive player, as an offensive lineman to

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Speaker 1: get all the way down the field, march down the

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Speaker 1: field and look pretty good doing it against a very

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Speaker 1: good Denver defense to come away with nothing or or

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Speaker 1: a field goal, which in the offensive players eyes is

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Speaker 1: not what you want. Yeah, that's true, it's it's not

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Speaker 1: what you want. It's a big swing. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: getting seven and then you know getting six and then

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Speaker 1: getting three obviously, but you know you really want to

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Speaker 1: come away from there with points in general. But unfortunately

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Speaker 1: for the Browns last week, last Sunday, they needed the

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Speaker 1: seven and uh, you know, I look at just some

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Speaker 1: of the fundamental things they were doing, um, you know

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Speaker 1: wrong Sunday that they really haven't had issues with throughout

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Speaker 1: the season. You know, like you said, they cleaned up

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Speaker 1: a lot of the pre snap mistakes, a lot of

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Speaker 1: the penalties, a lot of the unforced airs, they cleaned

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Speaker 1: a lot of those up, didn't turn the ball over

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Speaker 1: how to take away you know when and on paper

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Speaker 1: when you look at those numbers, you say, you got

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Speaker 1: a pretty good chance of winning. But you know, just

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Speaker 1: some of the things that the mistackles, the big plays

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Speaker 1: about the catching the end zone where Reward played terrific,

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Speaker 1: had terrific coverage. I mean he was he basically ran

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Speaker 1: So just what it's just some of those things that

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Speaker 1: the Browns and mis tackling and then just uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: coming up short in the red zone on multiple chances,

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Speaker 1: and you know, really when you had a turnover flipped

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Speaker 1: the field position, really had a chance to take some momentum,

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Speaker 1: the momentum a way not capitalizing with a touchdown, and

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Speaker 1: you know, it set them back. Yeah, the Brown's defense.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy too, because those bad plays they played pretty

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Speaker 1: well too. But the Broncos had more than half their

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Speaker 1: yards on fourth places the seventi five yard or the

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Speaker 1: font forty yard run by Lindsay thirty yard run and

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Speaker 1: then the touchdown catch by Setting. I mean, that's more

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Speaker 1: if you're winning the game and only running forty offensive plays,

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Speaker 1: to be very frustrating to to Steve Wilkes and that

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Speaker 1: at the tape from last week. Burned on some plays

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Speaker 1: that we haven't seen them get exposed by all season long,

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Speaker 1: and on that day it just happened to be the case. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think then, what the thing that even the big

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Speaker 1: plays early in the game you could have overcome those,

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Speaker 1: the one that hurt the most is just given up

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Speaker 1: a ninety five yard drive. I mean, that's that was

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Speaker 1: the reason you went for it on fourth and goal,

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Speaker 1: because you knew, ultimately the end you're pinning a first

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Speaker 1: putting your defense out there and you're thinking, worst case scenario,

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Speaker 1: we get the ball back at midfield and have to

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Speaker 1: do this over again. But then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: that was just such a huge momentum swinging. Then when

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Speaker 1: you're down double digits to a Broncos defense that's arguably

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Speaker 1: In the fourth quarter. You found something working with O'Dell.

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Speaker 1: But you just can't put yourself in a hole like

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Speaker 1: that and against Denver, Yeah, absolutely, and especially when you

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Speaker 1: like this offense right now was built and having success

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Speaker 1: on running the ball, and it's hard to stick to

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Speaker 1: that game plan when you're playing from behind and needing,

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Speaker 1: trying to force things and not saying they did that,

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Speaker 1: but you know, you're really getting off your game plan

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Speaker 1: playing from behind and having to you know, score and

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Speaker 1: score quick. In the fourth quarter. Offensive line Greg Robinson

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Speaker 1: with consistency and in building their chemistry, you know, coaches

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Speaker 1: always say, regardless of talent, regardless of who's drafted, where,

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Speaker 1: who signed where, they're gonna try to put the best

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Speaker 1: five guys they give the Browns offensive best chance to score.

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Speaker 1: And maybe they think they found that. And I think

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Speaker 1: moving forward, you know, providing this group, this five the

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Speaker 1: From my amateur ide and you can correct me on this,

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Speaker 1: it seemed like the mistakes that were made were maybe

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Speaker 1: more communication based. It wasn't like these guys were getting

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Speaker 1: with that. I didn't see anybody that was like, this

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Speaker 1: think it just takes time to take reps. And you know,

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Speaker 1: try to get the quality reps you can, but it

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Speaker 1: figured that out. Again, a lot of talent on the

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Speaker 1: football field for the Brown and Orange. Some mistakes put

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Speaker 1: and a lot to work on here in these final

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Speaker 1: it's like this team, you gotta do it one week.

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Speaker 1: but they're winning. And a Steeler team that's gonna that's

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Speaker 1: Jalen Samuel's and he caught almost half of Rudolphs passes.

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Speaker 1: He had something like fourteen receptions in that game. They're

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Speaker 1: they're doing something right, and defensively they're playing well. It's

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Speaker 1: another team that's playing well defensively that's getting by offensively.

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Speaker 1: It's kind have been the things. So it's it's this team.

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Speaker 1: If you only commit five penalties and and don't turn

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Speaker 1: think that's the key. It's like they can't get discouraged

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Speaker 1: you want to fix that, but if you keep doing

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Speaker 1: those are winning numbers to only have those penalties. Granted,

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Speaker 1: some of those penalties were at some really bad times

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Speaker 1: and I've never seen the twelve men on the field

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Speaker 1: It was an irrelevant penalty mostly. But I mean, you

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Speaker 1: this team running the ball. John, what positives do you

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Speaker 1: take away from Sunday's game? Well, I think I think

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Speaker 1: back that that hurt them the previous eight games that

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Speaker 1: it's looking like, okay, they're getting to the red zone.

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Speaker 1: touchdowns because you know, I hate to see you know,

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