1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: and speaker. 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 3: And I'm Sarah Hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 3: and course creator. We are two working parents who love 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: our careers and our families. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun. 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: From figuring out childcare to mapping out long. 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: Term career goals. 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: We want you to get the most out of life. 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. 13 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 2: This episode is airing in mid February, right before Valentine's Day. 14 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: It's going to be a bit of a Valentine's Day 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: themed episode. 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: Sarah, do you guys have Valentine's Day traditions in your family? 17 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 3: Yes, and you guys have heard me talk about this 18 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 3: before if you've listened in prior years when we've just 19 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 3: got Valentines. But we do have a very long standing 20 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 3: tradition that goes back to my own father started this 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: Valentine's stage treasure hunt that we would always do in 22 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 3: the morning before school, where we'd follow a series of 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 3: clues and then at the end of the treasure hunt, 24 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 3: was always some chocolate, and I tried that out as 25 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 3: soon as ANEMPLEE could read, I think, or even decipher pictures, 26 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 3: and it's been hit ever since. And it makes me 27 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 3: so happy that the kids actively asked for this every year, 28 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: although this year they have been very specific that in 29 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 3: addition to the chocolate which we always buy them, they 30 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: would all like jelly cats. So I don't know, I 31 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: have to do a little more advanced planning because. 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: Why is this the jelly We're not a jelly cat 33 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: family yet or whatever, So maybe you can enlighten those 34 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: of us who are not in this. 35 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 3: Yes, jelly cat are this generation's beanie baby. 36 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: Okay, they are. 37 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: I mean, that's how I understand them. My kids aren't 38 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: any other sort of arm of that collecting tendency might 39 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 3: be towards La booboos, gotcha with the current kids, but 40 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: my kids are not really that into La booboos. They 41 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 3: are super into jelly cats. And I also kind of 42 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 3: don't blame them, Like they're really cute, very well designed 43 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 3: stuffed animals that come out in all these ridiculous limited additions, 44 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 3: and the kids like to collect them, and you know, 45 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 3: have a collection that expresses their style and I don't 46 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: even know, but they all want jelly cats, even camera. 47 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 2: So they're going to get jelly cats as part of this. Yes, yes, 48 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 2: I reach have one of them. I need to order 49 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 2: two more. And you have to do this at a 50 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: set time to get the right ones that you want to. 51 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 3: I'm not going to put that much, okay work into it. 52 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: What about you, guys? What is your valance? 53 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 3: Do you guys go out to dinner or go on 54 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: a date? 55 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: Well, we often do, but that's because the day we 56 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: met is February fifteen, and that is also the day 57 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 2: we got engaged one year later, so there's sort of 58 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: multiple anniversaries that would be that week. So we don't 59 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: necessarily go out on the fourteenth always, but it might 60 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: be right around then to celebrate our anniversary. This year, 61 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: we have a reservation at Longwood Gardens nineteen oh six restaurants. 62 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 2: When they did their huge renovation, they kind of did 63 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: up this new restaurant that they have there, and they 64 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: are having a special Valentine's Day truffle menu, so I 65 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: have a reservation for that. I figure we'll also go 66 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: see the Greenhouse and they they'll have various winter displays up. 67 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: Which is gonna be nice. 68 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that sounds lovely and truffles. That's super fun 69 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 3: and luxurious. I like it. 70 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you guys don't necessarily go out the two 71 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: of you for Valentine's Day. 72 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 3: I can't remember the last time we did. I feel 73 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: like pre kids, we used to stay home and like 74 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: drink champagne and make French toast or something, but even 75 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: that hasn't happened in a long time. I feel like 76 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: we treat it like any other work day after that 77 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 3: little morning celebration. So I guess at least we avoid 78 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:55,559 Speaker 3: the crowds. 79 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: Okay, So that's one way to look at it. 80 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: Oh, you don't have like traditions with friends or anything 81 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: like a Gallantine's Day kind of thing. 82 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 3: No, that sounds like a ton of fun, And actually 83 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 3: I believe that one. So when I do bestly plans 84 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 3: at home this year, it spawned a bunch of local 85 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 3: offshoots where people were like, oh, let's get together Chicago 86 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: Belle Peers, and I believe one of those branches is 87 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 3: doing a Gallantine's party and They'm like, I wish they 88 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 3: could come. 89 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: I know that sounds great. Although you'll be around here 90 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: part of that weekend. 91 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 3: Oh that's true. Well I'll be there right after Rellen, 92 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 3: right after Fantastic. 93 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: But we could. 94 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: Call it that we are Valentine Let's rebrand. 95 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: We are rebranding. Oh I love it. I love it. 96 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I might give my kids many years, I've got 97 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 2: my kids some sort of candy or a little present 98 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: as part of a Valentine's Day celebration. I don't know, 99 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 2: it's it's a bleak time of winter. I mean, that'll 100 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 2: be our next episode. But you know, it's nice to 101 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: have a little celebration, something fun during that time of 102 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: day and sometimes year we sometimes we do like the 103 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: lunar New Year celebration to get another excuse to do 104 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: something fest of you know. 105 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: And I really like the rem It doesn't have to 106 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: be with a romantic partner. It can be with your kids, 107 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 3: it can be with your friends, it can be with yourself. 108 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 3: Like and I know they say, oh, it's commercialized, but 109 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 3: I don't know, an excuse to like look at pink, 110 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 3: cute things and eat chocolate Like I'm proud of that. Yeah. 111 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 2: Well, and you know, if people would like to feel appreciated, 112 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 2: and you know, your love language is being celebrated in 113 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 2: some sort of way. I mean, there's nothing wrong with 114 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: it either, just that you know the fact that it 115 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 2: is commercial, so is Christmas, and people get their heads 116 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: around giving presents for that, so you know, something to 117 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 2: think about. We thought we'd do a few sort of 118 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 2: stories from our early romantic life, obviously with our husbands, 119 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 2: not other romantic stories. 120 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: But so, Sarah, how did you and Josh meet? 121 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and by the way, if this is like the 122 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 3: first time you've listened to this podcast, I mean, we're 123 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 3: going to talk about ourselves just because it's really fun. 124 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 3: And sometimes it's really fun to just listen to the 125 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 3: backstories of someone that you now know what their loves 126 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 3: look like today. But I don't know, I feel like, 127 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 3: if this is your very first episode, you should pick 128 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 3: a different one. All that said, yeah, let's go back 129 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 3: to the origin stories. So you asked how we met. Yes, 130 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 3: we met twice. So the first time we met I 131 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 3: don't actually remember it, and that has like gone down 132 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 3: in relationship infamy. But there was some sort of like 133 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 3: Duke accepted med students event and apparently he tried to 134 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 3: talk to me, but I was like, seemed very uninterested 135 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: and I apparently will not get to live that down. 136 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: However, I should have tried to be more interesting then, Sarah. 137 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean bring a game. Then I guess not. 138 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, who knows. But I definitely noticed him 139 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 3: and feel like I did meet him. When we had 140 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 3: a pre school year, there was like a camp out 141 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 3: which the object was to get to know everyone, et cetera. 142 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: And there were two options. You could either go on 143 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 3: a white water rafting trip or you could hike. And 144 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: he claims he picked the whitewater raft Dan got stuck 145 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 3: in hiking because obviously all the fun people pick white 146 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: water rafting, but I was like, I picked hiking because, like, 147 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: I don't know, I went on a white water rafting 148 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: trip in high school and it was like very bumpy 149 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: and very wet and very cold, and I was like, 150 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: hiking sounds more pleasant. And it turned out to be 151 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 3: like a very strenuous hike with a group that was 152 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 3: selected for the people who didn't want a white water 153 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 3: raft so it wasn't necessarily like the world's most athletic people, 154 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: but it was a bonding moment. I shared a sandwich 155 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 3: with him. We made it up to the top of 156 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 3: the mountain, and I mean the rest is I don't 157 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 3: know if it was history because we didn't immediately get 158 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: together after that, but I definitely knew who he was 159 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 3: and noticed him, and then we were like texting. We 160 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 3: were using aim back then, you know, and everyone was 161 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 3: kind of like chatting, and I really thought he was cutey, 162 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 3: he had some clever stuff. And then I actually asked 163 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 3: him out on our first date because I felt like 164 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: we were just flirting too much, and in my characteristic fashion, 165 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: I'm like, let's move on, like, let's let's make a decision, 166 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 3: let's move things fisters by time, and that's going to 167 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 3: be a theme you're going to notice as we continue 168 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 3: to just go this. But he definitely said yes, and 169 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 3: he asked me on the second date, so that was good. Yeah. Yeah, 170 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: that's how we met. 171 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent. 172 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 3: What about you, guys? 173 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: So I was living in New York City. 174 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: This was two thousand and three, and my friend from 175 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: college had just started dating a guy who worked in 176 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: the same office as Michael, like out of his company's 177 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: New Jersey office, and there was a group of people 178 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: who were sort of younger people who lived in New 179 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: York City and worked out in New Jersey and they 180 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 2: would get together for social things. They called it like 181 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: the New Jersey Social Club or something like that. So anyway, 182 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: my friend was with her new boyfriend at this bar 183 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: in the village and I don't know, hanging out there, 184 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: and then she was like just texting a bunch of 185 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: friends to come meet her there. And I had been 186 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: out to dinner with some other people, and you know, 187 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: I got this text and I was sort of like, Eh, well, sure, 188 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: why not, I'll head over And then you know, I'm 189 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 2: standing there at the bar and gentleman starts talking to me. 190 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: And that's so, I guess. 191 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 3: So on from there and the rest was history. 192 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: As the few little things to get going with it. 193 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, it's never like oh and then we 194 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 3: got married. 195 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So what was your first date? 196 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, so our first date, the one that I asked 197 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 3: him to. It was over Labor Day weekend and so 198 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 3: there wasn't a lot of places open back then in Durham. 199 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 3: A lot of restaurants shut down. So we went to 200 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 3: a Japanese steakhouse. And I would love to say, oh, 201 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 3: in every libor day we go to Beni Hanna, but 202 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 3: we don't, but it would be funny. But it was 203 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: not Beni Hannah, but it was a place like Benni Hannah. 204 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 3: And it was actually like a really fun, bonding kind 205 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 3: of a date because it's like silly and something to 206 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: talk about. And then the second date, he asked me 207 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: to come over for dinner, so like, you know, that's fun. 208 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 3: And I get there and there's a note on the 209 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 3: door and it says sorry, run late. So he was 210 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: late to a date at his own home, which is interesting, 211 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 3: right and kind of maybe a little bit of a harbinger. 212 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 3: And I go in and I go through his CD 213 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 3: collection and I'm like, oh, like we are compatible because 214 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: we like all the same like we had so many 215 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 3: the same CDs. And I had thought somehow that my 216 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 3: musical tastes were like a little bit quirky, but there 217 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 3: was just a lot of overlap, like Amy Mann and 218 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 3: Elliott Smith, and I was like, this could work out. 219 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: And I had a great time on that second date. 220 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 3: He still runs late from time to time. Although I was. 221 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: Gonna say that didn't totally turn you off that he 222 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: was like late. 223 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: No, I probably didn't care. I was like enamored at 224 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: that point already, so it was like, okay, whatever, I mean, 225 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 3: little did I know it was going to be something 226 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 3: that I'd have to learn to handle. But to his credit, 227 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: I feel like we've both made progress in each other's direction. 228 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 3: Is it perfect, No, but I think he's definitely less 229 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: late and I'm more tolerant of late then we would 230 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 3: be if we had ended. 231 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: Up with other people. Excellent. 232 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: Well, we're going to take a quick ad break and 233 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: then we'll be back with more Valentine's Day stories. 234 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 3: All right, Well we are back, and I was just 235 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 3: sharing the not the details, but some information about my 236 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 3: first and second date, and Laura, I would like to know, 237 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 3: do you remember those first couple aside from the bar, 238 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 3: which I don't feel like that one counts. 239 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: No, No, that wasn't really date. 240 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: So I just left from the bar like the rest 241 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 2: of them were going somewhere, but I was sort of like, 242 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 2: I'm going home. 243 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: So he was sort of like, oh, okay, you're leaving. 244 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 2: But he got his colleague obviously to ask my friend 245 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: if it was okay to like get my number through them, 246 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 2: and I said it was fine. So then he reached 247 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: out and we went to Brunt on date number one, which. 248 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: Was a little bit awkward. 249 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, it was just slightly awkward 250 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: having a conversation getting to know each other. 251 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: But then the second date was more promising. 252 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 2: So he said he was going to take me to 253 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: this like mystery location, which I guess I had enough 254 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: trust that he wasn't like an axe murder that the 255 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 2: mystery location was some like basement in Queens where I 256 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: would like not escape from. 257 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: But anyway, he picked me up in. 258 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: A rental car and we drove out to the Cody 259 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 2: Island Aquarium and so we saw the fishies and we 260 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 2: went and walked on the beach, which, of course it 261 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: was like February, I was freezing, but it was kind 262 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 2: of fun to be out on the pier and looking 263 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: at the ocean. And then we went back and had 264 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 2: Margherita's at a place near my house, and I sort 265 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 2: of remember at that point like as we were talking 266 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 2: over Margerita's, I'm like, I am actually having a good 267 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: time right like I've been I don't know, I had 268 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: been on a lot of dates in like the previous 269 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 2: six months, some of which were okay, some of. 270 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: Which were really bad. 271 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: So it was this moment of like, oh, okay, I'm 272 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: actually enjoying myself like the conversation is going, I can 273 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 2: see this continuing, and so. 274 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: That was good. I guess I felt like it was 275 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: going to work. 276 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 3: And then was there a moment when you were like, oh, 277 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 3: now I know, now I know this is like serious, 278 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 3: this is maybe forever. I guess when he proposed, so 279 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 3: you hadn't like pre contemplated a lot of this so well. 280 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: I mean, so if I'd been paying more attention, I 281 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 2: would have been more aware that he was, like he 282 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 2: was really into it. I mean there was one point 283 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 2: where he, like, on a very early date, he had 284 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: like insisted I meet his parents when they were visiting town. 285 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 2: He may have had an extra drink, but he was 286 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: like there on the sidewalk being. 287 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: I love you, I love you, I love you. I'm like, 288 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: I met you three weeks ago. 289 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 3: Wow. 290 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 2: So anyway, and then you know he was pulling out 291 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: all the stops, like we went, you know, we went 292 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 2: to Europe for the weekend and stuff like that. And 293 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: he had said at some point before Christmas the first year, 294 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 2: you know, when we were dating, He's like, well, what 295 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: do you think if, like if Christmas went well, do 296 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: you think I'd be the kind of person you could 297 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: marry and I was sort of I don't know what 298 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: I even answered to that, but then. 299 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 3: And what a sweet way to ask, right, because it 300 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 3: was like, I'm not asking you to marry me, but 301 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: like I just want to make sure there's like a chance. 302 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: Here, a chance here. 303 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: And then on the first year anniversary of our meeting, 304 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 2: we went to Bermuda for the weekend and he brought 305 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 2: me to some beach he had pre selected, and then yeah, 306 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, like I was not expecting it, Sarah, 307 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: I was not expecting it, but I said yes obviously, 308 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: and I'm. 309 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: Happy I did. 310 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: So funny. We are, yeah, very very different in terms 311 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 3: of our trajectories there. 312 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: But I think it was just I was young. I 313 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: mean I was you were young too, but I was 314 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: like I. 315 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 3: Was pretty young. I met and when I was twenty two, 316 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 3: and then like I kind of was like, I hope 317 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 3: we get married by the time I was like twenty three. 318 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I guess I just hadn't. 319 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: I don't know, I hadn't necessarily got plans one getting 320 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: married in my early twenties. I guess is it wasn't 321 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 2: like something I thought about, and so obviously when you 322 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: meet the right person, then your timeline shifts right and 323 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: there's no point in like saying, Okay, well not now, 324 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: but three years from now. 325 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: I mean, what would be the point of that. 326 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think my personality like I think, I don't know. 327 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 3: I think I'm kind of like Taylor Swift in that way, 328 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 3: like I was always thinking a few steps ahead, like oh, 329 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 3: I want kids, and like when should I have those kids, 330 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 3: and who do I want to have those kids with? 331 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 3: And like what would my family be like if I 332 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 3: was with this person? And I feel like I had 333 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 3: those thoughts even in high school or with other relationships. 334 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 3: So I guess I just couldn't help but think about 335 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 3: those things. I didn't think about other things, like I 336 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 3: didn't always think about it as that pertained to my job, 337 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 3: Like I didn't always link those two things. Because we've 338 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 3: talked on the podcast how I ended up leaving the 339 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 3: pH D in part because I was like, Eh, that 340 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 3: timeline wasn't exactly for me in terms of like when 341 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 3: I wanted children and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, 342 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 3: I feel like by that Thanksgiving I went home to Philadelphia, 343 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 3: he went to Miami Beach, and we were like texting 344 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 3: each other on those phones where you had to dial 345 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 3: too too too to make a let her see or whatever. 346 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 3: You know, every text took five minutes, but we were 347 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 3: not stopping, like we couldn't stop. And I was like, 348 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 3: you know, I kind of like it if we never 349 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 3: had to spend a vacation apart again, which is funny 350 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 3: because now I kind of enjoy traveling by myself on occasion, 351 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: but back then it was just like, oh, I just 352 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 3: want us to be together. And then we actually did. 353 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 3: I think for Christmas break, we went to Miami Beach 354 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: and then I famously got lost, and his parents thought 355 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: they were going to have to call my parents and say, like, 356 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 3: your daughter got abducted running in our neighborhood because I 357 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 3: crossed like the dumbest street, like I went anyway. But yeah, 358 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 3: I knew pretty early, like it just felt right, and 359 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, this is a life track that 360 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 3: I feel I could commit to. And so how did 361 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:14,239 Speaker 3: the proposal happen? Well, his sister got engaged and then 362 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 3: his brother got engaged, or maybe it was the other 363 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 3: way around. I think it was the brother first and 364 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 3: the sister and like we'd kind of all gotten together 365 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 3: at the same time, and I'm like, hello, hello over here. 366 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 3: I'm never like, like, were these three couples lined up 367 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: in a row and they're all getting married and they 368 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 3: all have rings, and where's mine? Like I think there 369 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 3: was a tiny, maybe bit of that, and I did 370 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,239 Speaker 3: start to like again, planning brain could not be turned off, 371 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 3: and I was thinking, well, if we're gonna get we 372 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 3: were living together, I mean, we were acting like all 373 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 3: the roles of a married couple at that point. Our 374 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 3: finances were pretty much joined, and we lived in a 375 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 3: house and whatever, and I was thinking about how well 376 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 3: it'd be great if we could get married before he 377 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 3: starts residency, because it wouldn't be very much fun to 378 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 3: try to plan a honeymoon, run a wedding when he's 379 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 3: a resident. And so as I rounded the bend towards 380 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 3: like the end of med school and I knew how 381 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 3: much time it took to plan a wedding, I'm like, 382 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 3: now it would be good. And obviously I didn't like 383 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 3: strong art. You can't strong arm someone, but I was 384 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 3: just like suggesting that, like maybe the timing would be good, 385 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 3: but I didn't actually like know really when anything was 386 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 3: gonna happen. And then one day I was working in 387 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 3: a lab at the time because I was part of 388 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 3: my research track during med school I spent again, it 389 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 3: was on that mdphd track. I spent a year in 390 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: the lab, and I was like coming home for lunch 391 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 3: because I was five minutes from the lab and I'm 392 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 3: getting my lunch, and like he's kneeling down in front 393 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 3: of the refrigerator, like on some random day, and I 394 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 3: guess in retrospect, he said, well, I'd been waiting so 395 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,239 Speaker 3: long for the ring to come in which he had 396 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 3: worked with one of my friends to design custom like 397 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: super super sweet, and when it came, he just like 398 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 3: didn't want to wait. He just wanted to like give 399 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 3: me the ring, even if it was like lunchtime and 400 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 3: I had to get back to run the real time 401 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 3: PCR because it would get messed up if I waited 402 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 3: too long. And so yeah, right in front of the fridge. 403 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 3: But we were both kind of on the path of like, yay, 404 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 3: we're excited for this to happen. And indeed it was 405 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 3: a lovely time to get married because we got married 406 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 3: between his med school and residency and I had one 407 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 3: year of med school left. But that meant that there 408 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 3: was no wedding planning going on while he was a resident, 409 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 3: which would have been really kind of rough. 410 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, where did you get married? 411 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 3: We got married at the Duke Gardens and then we 412 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 3: had a party, a reception at this restaurant called Residence 413 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 3: in Chapel Hill, and we had a party bus that 414 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 3: went between the two And you know, as you're asking this, 415 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 3: I'm like, weren't you there? And I'm like, no, I 416 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 3: was not there, Sarah. And isn't it funny to think 417 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 3: about who was at your wedding? Because I'm still close 418 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 3: with some people, and then other people are like the 419 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 3: people that I happened to be working in the lab 420 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 3: with at the time, who felt like my besties but 421 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 3: definitely haven't talked to in a couple of decades. What 422 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 3: about your wedding? What happened with you guys? 423 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a snapshot in time for sure. Yeah. 424 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: Well, we got married at the Princeton Seminary, the Princeton 425 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 2: Seminary Chapel, so not Princeton University Chapel, which some of 426 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: our guests showed up at the Princeton Seminary Chapel, which 427 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: is about half a mile away. We started a little 428 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: later than originally thought, but it was a great service. 429 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 2: We had my choir from New York sinto group and 430 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 2: so they sang for it. And one of Michael's good 431 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: friends from high school is actually a soloist with the 432 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: Metropolitan Opera at the time, and so she sang for 433 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 2: us as well. And we had great organ we had 434 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 2: you know, it was good stuff. And then our reception 435 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: was at Mountain Lake's House, which is just about two 436 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: three miles down the road from Princeton Campus, and it 437 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 2: was a nice little bucolic setting on a there's no 438 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: mountains there. I don't know why they call it Mountain 439 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: Lake's House, but there's a lake and trees and stuff, 440 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: and it was a beautiful September sort of golden afternoon 441 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 2: to evening, a lot of beautiful photos. We had a 442 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 2: string quartet play that was our music there, so yeah, 443 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 2: it was it was lovely. 444 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 3: We did not have a beautiful bucolic day. It was 445 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: like ninety five degrees and four pm with a bright, shining, 446 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 3: humid sun. And honestly, whenever our wedding comes up in conversation, 447 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 3: people either comment on how incredibly hot they were and 448 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 3: how they almost died, or how drunk they got. 449 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 2: There's a lot of that too, remember there related they 450 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: were just thirsty, Sarah. I mean, I know you don't 451 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 2: feel thirst as we have discussed in a previous episode, 452 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 2: but your guests may have been trying to solve those 453 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 2: two problems made at the same time. Yes, well, sadly 454 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 2: I was not there. Sarah and I met each other later, 455 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 2: but that would have been a ton of fun, like 456 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 2: if you and I could have enjoyed it at your wedding. 457 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: So you know, little did we know all the people 458 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: we'd meet in the future. 459 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna take one more quick ad break and 460 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 2: then we'll be back more on our Valentine's Day episode. 461 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: So we are back with our val times Day episode. Sarah, 462 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 2: where was your honeymoon? It's a place that has relevance 463 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 2: for your life now, right. 464 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 3: Yes, we went to Maui and the Big Island, and 465 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: I know we did not have money to do such things, 466 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 3: and our family was super super kind. I think they 467 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 3: donated airline miles and helped paper hotels and we had 468 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 3: such a good time. And so we're going back to 469 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 3: Maui for our twentieth anniversary. So that's going to be meaningful. 470 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 3: We're not going to the Big Island because I wanted 471 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 3: to go to Kauai that time as well, and we didn't, 472 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 3: So this time we're going to Kauai as well. It's 473 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 3: super super excited. What about you guys. 474 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we went to Africa. 475 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 2: We took three weeks, and with the understanding that we 476 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 2: would both be sort of working part time. The last 477 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,719 Speaker 2: week of it, we were in a resort for that, 478 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: but we spent two weeks kind of driving around. 479 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: We He rented a car. 480 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 2: This is a theme of my husband renting cars in 481 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: strange places that most people do not drive. 482 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: But anyway, we flew into. 483 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 2: Cape Town, got our car, and then had to go 484 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 2: back because it wasn't a four wheel drive, so had 485 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 2: to go get a different car. Stayed in Cape Town 486 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 2: for a couple of days, drove to wine Country near 487 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 2: there and stayed a winery for a day or two, 488 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 2: and then we kind of just went free form, which 489 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 2: now I understand you'll appreciate this. Sarah, I planned the wedding. 490 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: He planned the honeymoon. The wedding was planned, like everything, 491 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: every detail. There were aspects of the honeymoon that were planned. Obviously, 492 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 2: the first few nights and then our resort we had 493 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 2: at the end. But the in between time we were 494 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: basically just driving around South Africa, Namibia, Botswana without hotel reservations, 495 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: which at the time. 496 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: Again I was young, I was very trusting. 497 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 2: I just assumed he'd figure it out, and we did 498 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: find places. 499 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, we had a lot of adventures. 500 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 2: Probably if I were going to do that again, I 501 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 2: would make reservations. You see how far we'd get that day, 502 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 2: and then see where we go and if we want 503 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 2: to see something interesting we could stay there. But there's 504 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 2: not a whole lot of hotel infrastructure in many of 505 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 2: those places in Africa, right and Namibia and Botswana, especially 506 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: as you get out of like Windhook and into the 507 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: northern part of there and you're by the border with 508 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 2: Angola which had a long running civil war. That there's 509 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: just not a lot of tourist infrastructure up in all 510 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 2: those places. But we did find a few places, we 511 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 2: saw some cool stuff. We ended up in Johannesburg, flew 512 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 2: to Mauritius and then stayed in a resort in Mauritius 513 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: for a week, and that was more traditional sort of 514 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 2: honeymoon kind of place right, like you know, on the water, 515 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 2: high end resort kind of stuff. 516 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 3: Well, that's amazing. I mean it has to have been memorable. 517 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: And I do feel like, only in your twenties could 518 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 3: you just be like, eh, whatever, we'll figure it out. 519 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: Well anyway, I mean I wouldn't have done that ever 520 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: on my own. But because he and his brother had 521 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 2: spent some time sort of just traveling around Africa as well, 522 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 2: and the two of them like two dudes, like they 523 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: were just whatever, like they would sleep in their car 524 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 2: if they needed to. 525 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: I don't think we'd really thought through that. 526 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 2: I really was not going to want to sleep in 527 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: the car on your honeymoon on my honeymoon, So I 528 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: think the downside in that was like a different downside 529 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: than when he had traveled earlier, and so it hadn't 530 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: necessarily totally gone through. But like I said, the beginning 531 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 2: and the end had been chosen well, and so it 532 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 2: was just the free. 533 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 3: Form in the middle that we were sorting out. I 534 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 3: hope you have pictures from that. 535 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: We do. 536 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 2: We do, although this is like pre iPhone camera type days, 537 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 2: so I mean they're printed pictures, but they're not that many. 538 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 2: Because I was just like taking pictures on I don't know, 539 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 2: like a camera camera. We had a digital camera. And 540 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: I also have the best analog little journal that I 541 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 2: kept for that trip. I don't think I've done one 542 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: as good since for any trip, but I am absolutely 543 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: going to whip it out before we go back to 544 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 2: Maui because it's like so fun to flip there. I 545 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 2: took a little no botes and pasted in like the 546 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 2: label from the wine bottle, or like the menu from 547 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 2: the restaurant or whatever, and. 548 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of yeah, that's nice. Treasured, treasured for sure, 549 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 3: of course, of course. 550 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: And did you know that what size family you would want? 551 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 2: You know, as you were beginning your journey together. 552 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 3: I wanted three kids. I knew I wanted girls and boys. 553 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 3: They didn't have specifics on the order. Then after having 554 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 3: two of them, I was like, two is good, And 555 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 3: then as time went by, I wanted three again. So yes, 556 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 3: I think. And Josh is one of three, and he 557 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 3: had a bit of an idyllic upbringing, so that might 558 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 3: have shaped some of my desires. But I was really 559 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 3: excited to have three kids. 560 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,479 Speaker 2: And did you have names picked out from the beginning, 561 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 2: Like were you one of those people who knew the 562 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: kid's names long ahead of time. 563 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're not my kid's names. They were oah, Lily, 564 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 3: And then we had like no real boy's names, so 565 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 3: we would sell a different boy's name, and every time 566 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 3: we talked about it, huh, So why don't you have 567 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 3: a Lily when you have two other girls? Or a 568 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 3: Kara or a Kara. 569 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 570 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 3: I got tired of those names. And I also decided 571 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 3: that so Kara like Kara Hart like, it's a little 572 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 3: I don't know, like there's. 573 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 2: Aid we probably have a Kara heart listening to this, 574 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 2: Sarah be like, what's wrong with my name? 575 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,239 Speaker 3: Well, my own name does the same thing, Sarah Hart right, 576 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 3: like there's like a stop, And I was like, oh, 577 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 3: I want a name that doesn't stop. So like Annabelle Hunger, 578 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 3: Cameron Jasponger, they all flow, they flow off the time. 579 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, but did you like pick them out of baby books? Then? 580 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 2: I mean, what how did Annabel just like come to you? 581 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 2: Then it like was at like what point of Annabel's 582 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 2: existence was Annabel decided upon? 583 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 3: Well it's a fun question because we actually we knew 584 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 3: Cameron's name because he's sort of named after Cameron in 585 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 3: door stadium with Duke, and we were kind of thinking 586 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 3: about using Cameron for a girl, but then kind of 587 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 3: decided we preferred a little bit more feminine sounding names, 588 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 3: and I don't know, it was one of the only 589 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 3: names we could both agree on, so it was easy. 590 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 3: And then Genevieve would have been Quentin Quentin. 591 00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: Interesting. I did not know that. 592 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 3: How did you get his pick names? We're off scripted, 593 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 3: by the way, But now I need to know, No, 594 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 3: I need to know. 595 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 2: I yeah, I'm trying to remember. Well, Jasper was sort 596 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 2: of I just like that name. I mean, that was 597 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 2: just I don't know, it wasn't when I grew up thinking. 598 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: I did not grow up thinking like what my kids' 599 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 2: names were going to be, as discussed earlier. 600 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 1: I just didn't think about stuff like that very much. 601 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: Or what my wedding was going to be. Like, I 602 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 2: don't know, It's like, I don't know. Some people have 603 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 2: different experiences. I didn't fixate on the wedding at all. Yeah, no, 604 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 2: I didn't. But then so we did that, and I 605 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: knew that Ruth was a girl name. I like, it's 606 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: my middle name, and you know, I wanted to use it. 607 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: But of course then we kept having boys, and I 608 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 2: kept having boys, so like, I have to keep going 609 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 2: back to the list of boy names. And of course 610 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 2: there's some that were I like, but like my husband 611 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: didn't like, or you know, there was I don't know, 612 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: like there was one in particular that I did like, 613 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 2: but he apparently knew somebody who was like really terrible 614 00:28:59,040 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 2: who had that name. 615 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: So I want to do that. 616 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 3: If you heard him told us the specifics, you could 617 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 3: have shared the name. 618 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, I will not, but you better not. Yeah, 619 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 2: so then we just had to keep coming bck again we. 620 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: Need another boys dam. We needed another boys dam. So yeah, 621 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: it's but the thing is you never know like going it. 622 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: Like if you knew from the get go, like, okay, 623 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: you will have five children, it will be four boys 624 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: and one girl who will be in the middle, you 625 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: can sort of optimize based on that, but of course 626 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: you don't know, like and so you can not our 627 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 2: names or never can't influence the first name, and you 628 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 2: don't even know how many names are going to be. 629 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, I feel like if you love a name, 630 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 3: don't save it for later. 631 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, although if it's very strongly associated with one gender, 632 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: I would probably not give it. 633 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 3: To the other da Oh No, I didn't mean. Yeah, 634 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 3: just be nice to your children, be nice to them. Well, 635 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 3: my husband's name is going to be Jerushka if he 636 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 3: was a girl. So it really always talks about how 637 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 3: he is very glad he doesn't have a sister Jerushka. 638 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 2: No, they must have gotten wise. Again, we have a name, 639 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: we move on when we get a chance to use it. 640 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 2: Sometimes we don't. These things happen, These things happen. Yeah, yeah, 641 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. Five is a great number. I'm not 642 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 2: sure if there was not a lot of thought. 643 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 3: When they're like very strong, straightforward names. 644 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 2: I like them as well. I like them as well. 645 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 2: I mean I'm glad because I have to say them 646 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 2: all the time. So let's see any fantastic anniversary celebrations. Well, 647 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: you said you're doing Hawaii this time. 648 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: What about the past? 649 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 3: Hawaii this time? Okay, I'm gonna do like five ten, okay, 650 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 3: all right. So for our fifth it was twenty eleven 651 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 3: and I was trying to get pregnant so hard, right, 652 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 3: Like I've talked about that, and we were like, oh, 653 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 3: let's go to Hawaii if I don't get pregnant. But 654 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 3: then I got pregnant, so we didn't go. 655 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 2: Fine, not that you can't go to Hawaii when you 656 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 2: are pregnant, but it was just an inopportunity. 657 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 3: We were actually kind of like, no, now we need 658 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 3: to save the money for daycare. Oh okay, you got it. 659 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 3: And then for ten we went to French laundry. So 660 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 3: that was super, super fun and I have vivid memories. 661 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 3: Back then, there was no online system. You had to 662 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 3: call them, and you would to call them at a 663 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 3: specific time. So I'd have this time or go off 664 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 3: at work at like I don't know one, it was 665 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 3: some random time like one o'clock or something, and I 666 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 3: had to dial and dial in dollar French lunch and 667 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: French lure and I never succeeded. But we stayed at 668 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 3: some nice hotels and I begged theever. I would call 669 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 3: the hotels, oh how about now? How about now? And 670 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 3: they had a cancelation on our anniversary, so we got 671 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 3: to eat there. We actually went for the They have 672 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 3: two seatings, or they did back then, like a lunch 673 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 3: time one and a dinner. So we went to the 674 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 3: lunch one and it was amazing. 675 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: Now that's so interesting because they must have changed their 676 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 2: system then between twenty sixteen and twenty nineteen, which is 677 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 2: when we went, I. 678 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 3: Think they did. I think they changed like a year 679 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 3: or so after I did all that labor. 680 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I was say kind of, I just 681 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: did it online. 682 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 2: I remember that was I mean, it wasn't easy, but 683 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 2: it wasn't like that. 684 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 3: Yep, No, it was not easy. And then oh fifteenth, 685 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 3: I don't think we did anything. I mean, I think 686 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 3: we might have gone to like the Keys or something, 687 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 3: but it was twenty twenty one and people weren't traveling 688 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 3: as much then, and our kids were a little bit 689 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 3: younger than they are now, And I just don't think 690 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 3: we put in a ton of effort to doing anything 691 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 3: super special. But twenty is gonna be amazing. 692 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: Twenty is gonna be amazing. That is gonna be awesome. 693 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: That's great. 694 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, gosh, I was pregnant for all 695 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 2: of them until twentyeth put five. 696 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 3: Kids due to your feet, by the way, like you 697 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 3: were pregnant for all of them. Okay, So I don't think. 698 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 2: I don't know what we did. Like in two thousand 699 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 2: and nine, I was very very pregnant with Sam. I'm 700 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 2: not sure if we did anything, probably did something September 701 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 2: of twenty fourteen, I was pregnant with Alex. September of 702 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: twenty nineteen with Henry, but we did go to French 703 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 2: laundry for that one, so I had We were in 704 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 2: California with the kids. We were traveling to Yosemite and 705 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 2: Monterey Bay, and then we actually we were staying in 706 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 2: that lodge that you have to book ahead of time 707 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 2: in Yosemite, whose name escapes me right now, but it's 708 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 2: the or something like that. Anyway, and we were there 709 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 2: like we'd booked it for four or five nights, and 710 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 2: then when I tried to get the French laundry reservation 711 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 2: for after that, I couldn't and we got it for 712 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,719 Speaker 2: a night that was during our time in yuosebody, so 713 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 2: we elected to just leave Yosemite. We kept our hotel 714 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 2: reservation there like because we weren't going to give up 715 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 2: that room. I think I put a note in the 716 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: room in case somebody like thought we had gone hiking 717 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 2: and gone missing, like if housekeeping came into it two 718 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: days in a row and nothing was moved, like we 719 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 2: are coming back, We are coming back, like, don't panic. 720 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 2: But we just went and stayed like in a courtyard 721 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 2: by married or something. No, it was like a I 722 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 2: don't know, someplace like that. And the kids did not 723 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 2: go to French laundry. I assumed they did not go 724 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 2: to French laundry. We left them with a babysitter that 725 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 2: we booked. There's some wine country nannies. I just want 726 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 2: the name of it or something for a couple hours 727 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 2: while we went to French laundry. 728 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 3: Amazing. 729 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a good time, definitely a good time. 730 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 3: And that was that was fifteen. 731 00:33:58,880 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: It was fifteen. 732 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, we went in October last year to a Kadia 733 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 2: and to run the half marathon through Bar Harbor, Maine 734 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 2: and associated areas. 735 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we did that. 736 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 3: Love it. So this is a reminder if you have 737 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 3: a milestone at anniversary coming up, it is a great 738 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 3: excuse to do something. 739 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, are you saying our favorite things? 740 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: I guess so. 741 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 3: Where Yeah, favorite things? I know we're ending it on 742 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 3: a snappy note, but I feel like it's appropriate for 743 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 3: a round Hends say episode. So my favorite thing is 744 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 3: I don't know, just like he's super fun and he 745 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 3: is very funny, Like we crack each other up being 746 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 3: silly and It makes me feel almost like younger in 747 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 3: a way, and I feel like I can pretty much 748 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 3: tell him whatever I want. And I just feel like 749 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 3: life is still kind of more fun when we do 750 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 3: things together, kind of like I felt back in that 751 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 3: winter break of two thousand and two or whatever it was. 752 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 3: It is still generally true. Do I still enjoy my 753 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 3: grow trips? Yes, I do, but I really like having 754 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 3: adventures with him. They're a lot of fun. 755 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,399 Speaker 1: Yeah that sounds good. 756 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, Well, when things are going on, I think 757 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 2: it's the Taylor Swift lyric. 758 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: A best friend who I think is hot, right, what 759 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 1: you're always going for? 760 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 2: Such a good lyric? It is a good lyric, right, 761 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 2: So that's what any marriage should be. Someone you are 762 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 2: attracted to and think they are of good character. Anyone 763 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 2: out here is single looking for someone, try and go 764 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 2: for those two things. So I guess those are all questions. 765 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 2: So that's our question for this episode. And Love of 766 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 2: the Week it may as well, since this is all 767 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 2: lovey dovey stuff, I guess that would have to be 768 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 2: our husbands. Then yeah, they get Love of the Week 769 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 2: this week. It seems as long as they're behaving themselves. 770 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 2: If you guys are listening, so I don't know if 771 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 2: does does Josh listen, I don't know. 772 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 3: Actually, I think he listens sporadically depending on the topic. 773 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 3: So I one is listening to this one? 774 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: So hi, Hi? Yeah, exactly? 775 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 2: Yes, Like I said, hopefully they're behaving themselves and if so, 776 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 2: then they can be our love of the week. 777 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 1: All right, well, this has been best of both worlds. 778 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 2: We've been talking all things Valentine's Day, relationships, early dates, 779 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 2: things like that. We will be back next week with 780 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 2: more on making work and life fit together. 781 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 782 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 3: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 783 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 3: and you. 784 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 2: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This 785 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 2: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join 786 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 2: us next time for more on making work and life 787 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 2: work together.