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Speaker 1: back to Counterpoints on this Thanksgiving week. Are you sticking

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Speaker 1: enjoy the temperate club. So Donald Trump, we just learned,

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that later. We'll talk about his ongoing

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Speaker 1: trial of not his trial, but his organization. A lot

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Speaker 1: of global news to get to, but first here in

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Speaker 1: the United States, the hero of the Colorado Springs shooting

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Speaker 1: has been identified as Richard Fierro absolutely extraordinary, inspiring and

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Speaker 1: heartbreaking story put up a one. I think The Times

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Speaker 1: His family had posted on Facebook detailing some of what

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Speaker 1: Just sound. It's one of the most heroic and selfless

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Speaker 1: Let's play a clip of that. It may not even

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Speaker 1: There's a lot that can be done. But if we

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Speaker 1: super strong right now. But is there reason, like, is

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Speaker 1: any of this reason for optimism or is it just

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Speaker 1: sort of part of something we don't know how it's

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Speaker 1: going to play out. I mean, I think the whole

433
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Speaker 1: thing's a shame that it's difficult enough for people eight

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Speaker 1: billion people now on this planet to figure out how

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Speaker 1: to survive, how to feed everybody, how to make everybody prosper,

436
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Speaker 1: and how to do so without destroying the planet, and

437
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Speaker 1: then to also have these powers, you know, grappling with

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Speaker 1: each other. It's like, guys, like, do you not see

439
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Speaker 1: the existential threats? Like around the corner here. I think

440
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Speaker 1: that China that had had laid out this late, this

441
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Speaker 1: long game from the late nineties to early two thousands,

442
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Speaker 1: uh and and had been rolling along unchecked and has

443
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Speaker 1: all sorts of dystopian tendencies embedded in its in its

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Speaker 1: approach to people, right, and to the extent that it's

445
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Speaker 1: a it's a pressure that makes the United States you know,

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Speaker 1: more kind of responsive to calls for for treating the

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Speaker 1: world in a more humane way. Great, like we did

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Speaker 1: just to compete you know, in Africa for for hearts

449
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Speaker 1: and minds. Okay, good, Like that's better than war we did.

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Speaker 1: We did just enter into the climate reparations deal with well,

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Speaker 1: it's a UN deal, isn't it. And that would probably involve,

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Speaker 1: because China is still listed as a developing country, reparations

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Speaker 1: to China from the United States over climate issues. And

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Speaker 1: that's probably another example of I don't know that that

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Speaker 1: has to be part of this. Sure. Yeah. And like

456
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Speaker 1: when this when the Soviet Union was around, the US had,

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Speaker 1: you know, at times was nicer to some countries that

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been nice to because it was trying

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Speaker 1: to win them over. Other times it would just coop them. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and then you know, you know, you know, go go

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Speaker 1: all in with the full you know, occupation and colonial approach.

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Speaker 1: But but other times it meant a more a more

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Speaker 1: balanced and delicate approach. And certainly back here in the

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Speaker 1: United States, it pushed, it pushed the US to live

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Speaker 1: up to its ideals more. Well, we'll obviously continue to

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Speaker 1: be on top of that story. The next story is

467
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Speaker 1: kind of more fun, so sad for all of our

468
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Speaker 1: Glorify consumers out there. You know, there's a serious angle

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Speaker 1: to the story. And so here's the story we can

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Speaker 1: put up. The first element Glorify, which I hadn't actually

471
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Speaker 1: been following that closely, but it was the anti woke

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Speaker 1: bank you may have heard about from Canadas Owans, or

473
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Speaker 1: you may have heard about from Crystal's just absolutely beautiful,

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Speaker 1: pitch perfect takedown of Canadasons. But it was an anti

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Speaker 1: woke bank that was intended to combat ideological capture in

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Speaker 1: the financial industry, which is actually a very real thing.

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Speaker 1: From the Wall Street Journal reported they raised about fifty

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Speaker 1: million dollars from this top group of investors. In July,

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Speaker 1: they had announced this deal to merge with an acquisition company,

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Speaker 1: and it just sort of the wheels came off over

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Speaker 1: the course of the last several months, especially in the fall.

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Speaker 1: The Journal had a big piece, I think this was

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Speaker 1: just in October about mismanagement at Glorify and so whether

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Speaker 1: this is a response to a lack of demand or

485
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Speaker 1: monopolistic market forces, or is it just mismanagement is an

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Speaker 1: open question, but it is really interesting that glorify with

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Speaker 1: all of this money. I mean, it was valued at

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Speaker 1: one point seven billion in that deal, one point seven billion,

489
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Speaker 1: which shows like the hollowness evaluations a lot of times. Well,

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Speaker 1: you get a lawyer and some people like write down

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Speaker 1: that it's worth one point seven billion, and they show

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Speaker 1: you a couple of charts, and the charts go like this, Oh,

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Speaker 1: how about that one point seven billion? It's nice. And

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Speaker 1: then that though said they had to raise sixty million

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Speaker 1: dollars in extra cash. So that's that was sort of

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Speaker 1: a blow at the time because that's a lot of

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Speaker 1: money to have to raise. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: to your point, the valuation was super high. I think

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Speaker 1: the valuation is high. Maybe not that high if we

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Speaker 1: were being real zero now no, yeah, But I meant

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Speaker 1: in theory, the valuation for a company that can do

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Speaker 1: what it's doing should be high. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: one point seven billion high exists. But there's also an

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Speaker 1: interesting question. I'm curious for your take on this about

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Speaker 1: whether this alternative economy that was talked about so much

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Speaker 1: of the last couple of years by people, including myself,

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Speaker 1: although I always saw it as a temporary thing, like

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Speaker 1: the alternative economy ramps up because there is a demand for,

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Speaker 1: for instance, like razors that aren't like what the Daily

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Speaker 1: Wire did with Jeremy's Razors, Like, people really don't like

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Speaker 1: what Harry's was doing. What were they mad about with

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Speaker 1: that they had? Harry's responded to right, one person, a

513
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Speaker 1: person with like very few followers tweeted at Harry's that

514
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Speaker 1: they were upset about something Michael Knowles, one of the

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Speaker 1: Daily Wires podcasters, had said about gender ideology, and Harry's

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Speaker 1: canceled this Daily Wire advertising because of that one tweet.

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Speaker 1: And so then they responded with Jeremy's Razors, which had

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Speaker 1: this ad campaign that was, you know, basically like no

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Speaker 1: politics with the razors. It did pretty well for the

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Speaker 1: Daily Wire from what I understand, And yeah, they created

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Speaker 1: a razor brand and it worked because there's there's demand

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Speaker 1: for I mean, there really is a demand for, no

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Speaker 1: matter how stupid still you think that it is. That

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Speaker 1: really people are so sick of this stuff. But I

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Speaker 1: always saw that as like a temporary thing, right, the

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Speaker 1: alternative economy, It sort of starts up things like glorified

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Speaker 1: startup and there's a course correction in the old institutions.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's a course correction enough to actually change the

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Speaker 1: culture back to a healthier place, I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: I wonder if this is part of that too, of

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Speaker 1: a cooling, a cultural cooling. Since Trump left office, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it worked. It probably bought by JP

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Speaker 1: Morgan that just you know, continued to be run as

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Speaker 1: this kind of like right wing independent thing. I use

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Speaker 1: an ideological bank aspiration. So it's it's a thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you can kind of attract enough people who want

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Speaker 1: their money going toward things that they support, you can

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Speaker 1: build up enough of a consumer base to make it that.

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Speaker 1: But it's it's a niche product in the end. It's

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Speaker 1: not it's not going to replace the it's not gonna

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Speaker 1: be a it's not going to be a large enough

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Speaker 1: economy to kind of compete with a JP Morgan. It's

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Speaker 1: just going to be a thing that happens kind of

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Speaker 1: off to the side here, I think. Yeah, and in

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Speaker 1: the scheme of a JP Morgan, one point seven billion

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Speaker 1: is niche. Like, that's totally a niche, right, That's a

547
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Speaker 1: fake billion too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I think there's

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Speaker 1: the niche demand for that does exist, but it's interesting

549
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Speaker 1: that they couldn't execute on it because of all of

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Speaker 1: these different sort of like one and the CEO kept

551
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Speaker 1: getting accused of being a day drunk. Yeah, it was

552
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Speaker 1: just raging. It worked for MADMN, Noah, did it? No?

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Speaker 1: I mean they had with a monopoly. It worked with

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Speaker 1: a monopoly basically, well, and that's exactly what they're kind

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Speaker 1: of trying to undercut. But that's one of the interesting

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Speaker 1: things about these alternative economies, whether're in Hollywood or so.

557
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Speaker 1: Operation Choke Point, which was an Obama era thing, is

558
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Speaker 1: what really scared a lot of people into trying to

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Speaker 1: take action on this. And it was the same thing

560
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Speaker 1: with Google's ad monopoly that was flexed several times during

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Speaker 1: the course of the Trump administration, including to the Federalists

562
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Speaker 1: in a totally BS way. That's what people started trying

563
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Speaker 1: to create the conservative Internet, and we've already seen them

564
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Speaker 1: have a huge amount of problems with that. The I mean,

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Speaker 1: actually Trump wasn't paying the bills at one of the

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Speaker 1: companies that was supposed to build the conservative Internet, and

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Speaker 1: if anything, I think those those concerns are still very

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Speaker 1: real that because of the ideological capture, because of the

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Speaker 1: way we define things, and we'll talk about this in

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Speaker 1: our Thanksgiving segment. Broad in these definitions, so the powerful

571
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Speaker 1: people can lump dissidence into these these categories of hate

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Speaker 1: and bigot and whatever else. That creates serious problems when

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Speaker 1: everyone who works at JP Morgan thinks the same way,

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Speaker 1: and so do the people at the other banks and

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Speaker 1: the other big banks for that matter. So I get

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Speaker 1: the demand for the product, but it's not surprising to

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Speaker 1: see it crash and burn ultimately. Well, once you saw

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Speaker 1: that the bank was calling itself pro capitalist, it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's yeah, what of the kind of bank is there? Anyway?

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Speaker 1: On mad Men, you ever think that basically have one

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Speaker 1: of those guys was in World War Two and they're

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Speaker 1: just self medicating all day long. That's a really good

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Speaker 1: take on mad men. There wasn't you know, there wasn't

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Speaker 1: a diagnosis. He had a PTSD. I think shell shock

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Speaker 1: may have been a turn that was tossed around every

586
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Speaker 1: now and then, but yeah, it was an entire generation

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Speaker 1: that just self medicated PTSD, drinking constantly. Yeah, it's a

588
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: good take on Madmen because it was also there's as

589
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Speaker 1: time when people are seeking a lot of material comforts

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Speaker 1: too in ways that were new and frankly, oil and

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Speaker 1: plastics and all that good stuff that they were literally

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Speaker 1: selling was Brandon new I don't know how we got

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Speaker 1: onto mad Men, but I have a lot of pleasant

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving memories around Madmen, because that's when I first started

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Speaker 1: binging it. Okay, not that anyone cares, but since we're

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Speaker 1: talking about mad Men and it's Thanksgiving, right, So there's

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Speaker 1: a war brewing between Kevin McCarthy and ilhan Omar Kevin McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: and we could put up we've got d one here.

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Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy has vowed that he's going to kick Ilan

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Speaker 1: Omore off the House Foreign Affairs Committee. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he has singled out any particular offense. Benjamin's tweet

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Speaker 1: he said anti sentimentism, right, he's just generally calling her

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Speaker 1: an anti semi. The Democrats had kind of had stepped

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Speaker 1: across this line and had kicked with what Marjorie Taylor

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Speaker 1: Green off of her committee assignment right by a vote.

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Speaker 1: And so this is and they've also suggested are that

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Speaker 1: they're going to kick Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell. But

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Speaker 1: did you know if they're still going to do that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So what McCarthy told me back in September is that

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Speaker 1: he was he was booting for sure, Iljan Omar and

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Speaker 1: Eric Swalwell off their committees. I've heard shift floated as well,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's probably going to happen, frankly. But

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Speaker 1: where this is interesting is that it's a response to

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Speaker 1: Pelosi's What a lot of people see, even people who

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Speaker 1: follow congressional procedure in the history of it see is

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Speaker 1: a centralization of power in the Speaker's office during the

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Speaker 1: course of the Pelosi era, and one of those ways

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Speaker 1: was booting people of the opposite party off their committees,

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Speaker 1: because she did it with Marjorie Taylor Green and then

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Speaker 1: people were upset with what happened at the j sixth Committee. Now,

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Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy, according to people that I checked with on this,

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Speaker 1: cannot unilaterally just boot people from the committee. It would

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Speaker 1: have to be a full vote, and if Republicans have

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Speaker 1: the majority, they can vote down a committee a committee

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Speaker 1: assignment that has il han Omer on it, or they

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Speaker 1: could vote for and create committee assignments that don't have

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Speaker 1: ilhan Omar or Eric swaball on them. So that's what

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Speaker 1: it would actually look like in practice during the vote.

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of a technical question, but they can

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Speaker 1: do it, and seems like they're poised to. To me,

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Speaker 1: it's outrageous to kick her off of a committee. A

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Speaker 1: committee is a place where people who were elected by

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Speaker 1: residents in their district, by voters in their district to

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Speaker 1: represent them in Congress. Reminds me of like I think

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Speaker 1: it was nineteen in nineteen sixteen, nineteen seventeen. Uh, voters

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Speaker 1: from people can look it up, Montana or somewhere elected

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Speaker 1: a woman who's against the World War one socialist Congress

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Speaker 1: refused to see her. Two years later they sent her

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Speaker 1: back again, and for a long time they refused to

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Speaker 1: see her again. Like, who are you to tell the

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Speaker 1: voters in this district, I think, whether whether or not

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Speaker 1: this person gets to represent you. If if you don't

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Speaker 1: like it, I'd say, run a candidate against the ilhan Omar.

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Speaker 1: Move to Minneapolis, vote against the ilhan Omar. But to

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Speaker 1: start saying that because of a person's views, which you

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Speaker 1: then characterize as anti Semitic, that they can't be on

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Speaker 1: a committee just just annihilates the entire idea of Congress

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Speaker 1: as a place where you're debilitating, I mean, deliberating in

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Speaker 1: order to write laws. Even if you said she's anti Semitic,

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Speaker 1: I don't think she is. I think that there are

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Speaker 1: Republicans And actually she said this in her statement, if

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Speaker 1: we could put up seat was d t D two

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Speaker 1: uh Ilhano Mar's kind of response, if you guys, you

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Speaker 1: could pause this and read it, read it to yourself.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to read it to you. Uh And

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Speaker 1: if you're on the podcast, you can. You're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to google and find it. But it's really long. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about like a five hundred wordstan, right, But she

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Speaker 1: makes it, she makes up. She quotes several people, several

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Speaker 1: Republican members of Congress saying explicitly anti Semitic stuff about

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Speaker 1: like Jews buying Congress and things like that that if

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Speaker 1: she had said it would lead to weeks of controversy.

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Speaker 1: But if a Republican member of Congress is able to

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Speaker 1: say it, it says it, then it's just thought, well,

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Speaker 1: this is their this is their take. So uh, I

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00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: think on the merits it's it's wrong. But I think

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Speaker 1: on the principle of it. It's it's deeply dangerous to

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Speaker 1: the what's left of the institution. So I agree with

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Speaker 1: that on one particular level, which is that this question

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Speaker 1: of who are you to tell the people that elected

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Speaker 1: this person you in Washington, member of your party leadership,

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Speaker 1: who are you to say this to the voters of

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Speaker 1: the Minneapolis area one hundred percent I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: I think what Republicans are doing is saying, like trying

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Speaker 1: to zero in on people that are the easiest examples

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Speaker 1: to follow Pelosi and give Democrats a taste of what

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Speaker 1: they see as their own medicine for centralizing power and

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Speaker 1: changing norms what people saw as norms of the House.

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Speaker 1: And I get why sort of tactically zero on an

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Speaker 1: ilhan Omar because you can probably get Democrats even to

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Speaker 1: join that vote. You can probably get a Josh Gottheimer

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Speaker 1: to get in on that vote for a wonder for

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Speaker 1: a Foreign Affairs committee that doesn't include ilhan Omar. There's

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Speaker 1: a difference between standing committees and select committees. Like January sixth,

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Speaker 1: Foreign Affairs is a standing committee. That's why it requires

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Speaker 1: a full vote, and you can get basically every Republican

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Speaker 1: United in favor of booting her. The real thing that

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Speaker 1: they'll probably, I mean, if they're smart, what they'll zero

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Speaker 1: in on is her tweet where she walked this back,

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Speaker 1: but it basically equated the Taliban with Israel and America,

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Speaker 1: and again she walked back that was it was a

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Speaker 1: bad tweet. We talked about that. She was saying that

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Speaker 1: they everybody commits human rights abuses. Yes, oh, that is

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Speaker 1: what we talked about, and we've talked about it many

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Speaker 1: times since. But that's the one that's the foreign affair

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Speaker 1: like in terms of whether someone should represent us on

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Speaker 1: the Foreign Affairs Committee, that's probably Republican's best argument. That said,

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Speaker 1: of one of the things that drives me insane about

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Speaker 1: the Marjorie Taylor Green discourse is that and it's the

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Speaker 1: same thing with ilhan Omar. And I would hope that

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Speaker 1: ilhan Omar would extend this to Marjorie Taylor Green. No

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Speaker 1: matter how much they may dislike each other, and you know,

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Speaker 1: even have stronger emotions than dislike towards each other, I

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Speaker 1: would hope that they would both see how the sort

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Speaker 1: of Washington mentality of isolating both of them using power,

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Speaker 1: weaponizing power, abusing it to isolate both of them. How

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Speaker 1: that's bad precedent period because once you do it to

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Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green, you can do it to ilhan Omar.

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Speaker 1: And even if the threshold for an offense is different,

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Speaker 1: because you've set the precedent, and you make one party

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Speaker 1: kick back because it got kicked so it's going to

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Speaker 1: kick back because that's what its voters wanted to do,

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Speaker 1: and you change the president to make it happen. Because

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Speaker 1: that's the thing that drives me nuts about the Marjori

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Speaker 1: Taylor Green discourse is frankly, she like is a very

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Speaker 1: she was. She's talked about this a low trust voter,

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Speaker 1: right like she had zero trust in any institutions. And

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Speaker 1: that's not irrational. It is not irrational for anybody to

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Speaker 1: have no trust in your institutions. It's not an apology

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Speaker 1: for any of the crazy stuff she said, or an

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Speaker 1: excuse for any of the crazy stuff she said. It's

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Speaker 1: just that what ultimately, people like Nancy Pelosi don't like

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Speaker 1: about the Marjorie Taylor Greens of the world, and even

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Speaker 1: the radical not like I don't mean radical in a

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Speaker 1: pejorative sense, but like actual leftists that make their way

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Speaker 1: into Congress what Nancy Pelosi doesn't like about them is

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Speaker 1: that they don't trust anything. They don't trust. There were

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Speaker 1: people who are nine to eleven truthers who got into

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Speaker 1: government from the Democratic side of the aisle, and Marjorie

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Speaker 1: Tiller Green was one of those people. By the way,

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Speaker 1: they don't trust anybody, and that is to borrow a

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Speaker 1: phrase representative of the American people. And so, yeah, the

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Speaker 1: House of Representatives is going to have some problematic people

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Speaker 1: in it because we're a country where there are problematic people.

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Speaker 1: And it's not entirely the fault of every single problematic

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Speaker 1: person because the government has given them no reason to

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Speaker 1: believe anything that they say. But how does Kevin McCarthy

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Speaker 1: square this with the GOP panic about cancel culture? So

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Speaker 1: when when alahan Omar first got, you know, raked across

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Speaker 1: the calls for her Benjamin's tweet and then the point

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Speaker 1: of her tweet, it's all about the Benjamins and it

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Speaker 1: was actually about Kevin McCarthy, because Kevin McCarthy was, yes,

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Speaker 1: you interviewed her about that, I did, Yes, I did

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Speaker 1: at some point. Yeah, And what she was saying is

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Speaker 1: that she believes that the amount of money that Apak

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Speaker 1: is able to raise and spend an elections influences Congress.

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Speaker 1: Somehow that's a controversial thing to say. I think thing,

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Speaker 1: it's clearly obvious, like that's why special in just groups

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Speaker 1: raise and spend money so that they can have influence.

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Speaker 1: She then met with a bunch of her like Jewish

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Speaker 1: friends who were like, look, yes, like this, those those

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Speaker 1: facts are true. Here's history, here, the tropes. Here are

753
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Speaker 1: the reasons that this is heard in this particular way.

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Speaker 1: She's like, you know what you're You're speaking to me

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Speaker 1: in good faith here, I can see that you mean

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. I'm sorry. And she put out a

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Speaker 1: public and I think like heartfelt apology and explained why

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Speaker 1: she had gotten to a place where she said, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I'm sorry that I hurt people with what

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Speaker 1: I had said was it was not my it was

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Speaker 1: not my intent and has and has not said that

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Speaker 1: since then. Now, I think to say that Israeli United

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Speaker 1: says some Austin Taliban all commit human rights vieuples, I

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Speaker 1: think it's just true. Like she's like, she's going to

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Speaker 1: say things like that, I don't think that's anti semitic.

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Speaker 1: But well, she walked it back because she said, I

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Speaker 1: didn't mean to apply that the scale was the same

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Speaker 1: between all of them, right and so right, it's right, right,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's not a case of whether it's anti

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Speaker 1: Semitic or not. Right and so, but in terms of

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Speaker 1: foreign affairs, So if you say that you're against cancel culture,

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Speaker 1: somebody does something you find offensive, they grow from that,

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Speaker 1: they say that, they apologize for it, yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: two years later you kick them off a committee for

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Speaker 1: that thing. I think it's ridiculous. A hypocrite of the

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Speaker 1: highest order, you know. I think this is less about

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Speaker 1: what Ilhana Omar said and more about kicking back at

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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi. I genuinely think that's what this is about.

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Speaker 1: Is like making a point to Democrats that the way

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Speaker 1: they weaponized the House and House rules and procedure and

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Speaker 1: changed House rules and procedure while crying about norms during

782
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Speaker 1: the Trump era is going to come back on them

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Speaker 1: because Republican voters are sick of it. I think that's

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Speaker 1: what I think, that's ultimately what this is about. That said,

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Speaker 1: I actually think outside of Congress, I mean, I don't

786
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Speaker 1: partisans to not be hypocritical. They're always hypocritical. Republicans are

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Speaker 1: Democrat Kevin McCarthy, Asy Pelosi, they're going to step into

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Speaker 1: hypocrisy because it's about power. But I think on an

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Speaker 1: ideological front, yeah, like it's a it's a huge problem,

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Speaker 1: and it's been a huge problem because the definition of

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Speaker 1: anti Semite anti Semitism is inflated beyond where it should

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Speaker 1: be a lot of times. And that's not to say

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Speaker 1: there aren't very real problems. I think ilhan Omar, as

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Speaker 1: you just pointed out, stumbled into one of them, which

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Speaker 1: is using these tropes in that context. It's like extremely

796
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Speaker 1: like obviously a problem, but when people especially and another

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Speaker 1: thing like, I don't want to be in a position

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Speaker 1: where I'm defending Margery Tailer Green because I'm really not

799
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Speaker 1: like trying to defend the Margery Eailer Green. She walked

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Speaker 1: back her quan on stuff and explained exactly why she

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Speaker 1: got it wrong. Talked about the fact that she was

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Speaker 1: just basically a small business owner mom in Georgia who

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Speaker 1: had no faith left in the government and the me

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Speaker 1: you should have covered that way more than it did,

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Speaker 1: because it's actually an interesting thing that I think happens

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Speaker 1: to people frequently that get kind of sucked into for

807
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Speaker 1: understandable reasons, those types of conspiracy theories. But I think

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest like manifestations of elite bias in

809
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Speaker 1: Washington is against like conspiracy theorists because people have good

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Speaker 1: reasons to stone in those conspiracy theories. It doesn't make

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Speaker 1: the conspiracy theory right, but it also makes your like

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Speaker 1: patronizing approach to them unhelpful and unconstructive and actually counterproductive

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Speaker 1: because there's no justification for what happened and what's happening

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Speaker 1: to the country as a whole. So yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: the definition of anti Semitism is inflated unhelpfully, There's no

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Speaker 1: question about it. I think this is more just about

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Speaker 1: power politics at the end of the day, and I

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Speaker 1: would love to try to see them justify it. But

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously I agree. I think it's hypocritical. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're just going to say she's scary anti Semite lady

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Speaker 1: and kick her off the committee. Yeah, cowardly and atrocious.

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Speaker 1: I wou is prisially if there's a handful of Democrats

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Speaker 1: who go along with Josh Gotnheimer will see well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think Jeffries, I mean, this is like people that

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Speaker 1: absolutely any criticism of Israel. You know, the sparti of

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Speaker 1: Monon Kam jeffres As leader being a difficult spot you

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Speaker 1: know where you know how he wants to vote on that.

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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly so. In Trump News, the trial of the

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Speaker 1: Trump organization continued, continued, Actually they rested their case. They're

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Speaker 1: headed towards the end of this one. This is the

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Speaker 1: this is the charge that the Trump organization was engaging

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Speaker 1: in all manner of tax related shenanigans in order to

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Speaker 1: rip off the government and enrich itself. A bunch of

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Speaker 1: different schemes included, uh, monking around with the value of properties,

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Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden, if they're looking for alone,

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Speaker 1: the property is worth millions and millions of millions of dollars. Yep.

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Speaker 1: Then when the government comes and asks what it's worth,

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Speaker 1: it's worth like just one hundred tiny amount. Don't don't

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Speaker 1: worry about it. That that old thing that's not worth anything.

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Speaker 1: Thing to illegal compensation like basically off the books, off

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Speaker 1: off the books compensation where you're handing people apartments, cars,

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Speaker 1: other trips like this one also includes private school tuition

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Speaker 1: for people's relatives. Yeah yeah, Tom Dashel had his entire

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Speaker 1: career ended because when he was a lobbyist, he was

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Speaker 1: there a car service like came with his salary. So

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Speaker 1: in order to go from K Street down to Capitol Hill,

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Speaker 1: the company had like black cars. It would take you

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Speaker 1: around the city. And that turned out that that has

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Speaker 1: a value maybe shockingly ten ten bucks a ride, fifty

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Speaker 1: bucks a ride, one hundred bucks ride, whatever, whatever the

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Speaker 1: value is. By the end of the year it was

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Speaker 1: worth thousands of dollars. He didn't mention it on his

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Speaker 1: taxes because then he would have been he would have

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Speaker 1: had to pay taxes on that benefit. That showed up.

855
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: Max Blocks actually hates him. That's the back story to that.

856
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:02,959
Speaker 1: He was the chair of the Finance Committee and knife

857
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 1: him finished off his pointment he was not made HHS

858
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: secretary just for like not putting these little cars car

859
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: trips on his tax turn the Trump organization just doing

860
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: this as a matter of course all the time for

861
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: everybody or everybody that they want to benefit. It seems like, yeah,

862
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: I'm shocked, did you see that Trump organization engaging in

863
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: something like this. Well, so the former CFO, Alan Weislberger

864
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: is the one who's on trial and he said he

865
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: did this of his own accord, of course, and what

866
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: but the Trumps are such nice people, why are you

867
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: going to make them pay more? Well, what the prosecution

868
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: needs to prove is that he did it on behalf

869
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 1: of the Trump organization. And what he has said straight

870
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: up in cross examination that he had not conspired this

871
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: is from the journal any with any Trump relative, and

872
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: it acted solely for himself. But prosecutors heard that and

873
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: decided not to call their other witness, guy Donald Bender,

874
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: who worked for a firm that was doing outside accounting

875
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: on behalf of the Trump organization. And so they have

876
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: to be able to prove that this was intentionally on

877
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: behalf of the Trump organization. Now, obviously they brought out

878
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: that it benefit of the Trump organization, So is that

879
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: enough to meet the legal standard? Even though Weselberg said

880
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: he was doing it for himself. I was doing it

881
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: for me and nobody else. I don't know, but it's

882
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: the journal seems to believe that because they didn't call

883
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: it Bender, it signals that the prosecution against Wesselberg is

884
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: feeling pretty good about their case and that there could

885
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: be a ruling against the Trump organization or maybe just

886
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: against Wesselberg by next week, which again would be two

887
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: weeks after Donald Trump announced his twenty twenty four presidential work, right,

888
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: And I guess prosecutors would would say that it's just

889
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: so absurd that he would say this, like that he's

890
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: just doing this for himself. Nope, through No, I mean

891
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: you did see it. Yeah, that that They're like, you

892
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: know what, nobody's gonna believe this. So we got him

893
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: to admit that it was happening. And that's enough because

894
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: no person there in their right mind is just going

895
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: to break all sorts of laws, like without telling other

896
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: people that you're breaking them on behalf of right. Well,

897
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: and Donald Trump, this is baked into the like Donald

898
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: Trump package right, like he actually said repeatedly when he

899
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: was running the first time, that I alone can fix

900
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: this basically, like I know how the system is rigged

901
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: because I benefited from the system being rigged. So I

902
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: don't think this changes a single political calculus on behalf

903
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: of any voter whatsoever. This does not change anybody's mind.

904
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: Donald Trump himself isn't in severe legal jeopardy over this

905
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: at all. It could change people's mind if they thought

906
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: it through because and as Chappelle laid out in that

907
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: in his monologue. It's like a star was born when

908
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: he was like, you were doing all the things in

909
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: the house that you think we're doing. I'm breaking I'm

910
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, if you don't like the

911
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: way I do it, change the law. But you're not

912
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: going to because all your donors, all your bodies exploit

913
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: the same laws. That's undermine a little bit if he's

914
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: actually breaking the law, right, I mean he's saying that

915
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: you're the one that designed the laws this way. I'm

916
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 1: just following the law as you've written it, and then

917
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: you come to find out actually you're breaking the law. Now,

918
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: what you could say is that you're allowed to break

919
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: the law because the system hasn't set up sufficient white

920
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: collar enforced Well, I was going to say, well, yeah,

921
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: like I think that's the reason that let's say even

922
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,959
Speaker 1: Weisselberg was just doing this for himself. That's the reason

923
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: he was. I mean, he's not stupid. He's a CFO

924
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: of a major company. He knows what the laws are,

925
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: he knows what you can and can't do. But there's

926
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: no real fear. I mean, he didn't know when he

927
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: was doing this. Presumably that Donald Trump's going to run

928
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: for president and become the biggest political target that ever

929
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: existed in American history in terms of one single person.

930
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: And that's how you end up getting caught for this

931
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. But under normal circumstances, you know this

932
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: is this is by the way, seventeen counts tax fraud,

933
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: conspiracy scheme to defund and falsification of business records. That

934
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: A is a big case. And so I assume that

935
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: it was just not a There was no inkling that

936
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: this was really going to be a problem. And by

937
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: the way, Donald Trump has wiggled out of different things

938
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: in the past two so it's part of it, and

939
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: it's why again I think the biggest failure the Trump

940
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: presidency is you have Paul Ryan walking around saying we're

941
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: going to get your taxes down to a postcard, which

942
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: is an actual populist goal, no matter how much the

943
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: left hates it. Being able to do that with a

944
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: tax code is something that makes it much much harder,

945
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: if not impossible, without serious changes, for wealthy people to

946
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: cheat and to not pay what they owe. And that's

947
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: a really big deal. But of course what happened the

948
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: log out watered down to the point of absolute meaninglessness

949
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: and was in some ways a handout some major corporations.

950
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: So that's what happens. And in related news that the

951
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 1: Trump has been required by the Supreme Court to turn

952
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: over his tax returns to the House representatives. You think

953
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: that anything in there will shed light on any of

954
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: these shenanigans. It's a good question. I mean, I assume

955
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: he was probably, again like Weiselberg, clever enough to do

956
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: some of this stuff in ways that make it hard

957
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: and obfuscate much wrongdoing. But I don't know who knows.

958
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: That remains to be seen. What do you think he's hiding?

959
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: Why doesn't he want to? I mean, he may be

960
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: hiding his net worth his net worth maybe yeah, And

961
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: like his annual income might be for whatever years he's

962
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: giving the tax re trains over. It might be an

963
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: embarrassingly love for him. I'd certainly love to see actual

964
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: books of the Trump organization while Trump was in the

965
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: White House, Like where was all this Saudi money going,

966
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: Where was the UAE money going? What kind of licensing

967
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: deals were they kicking off around the world. We've seen

968
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: some of them. It doesn't look good. It doesn't look

969
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: good well. And speaking of around the world, and countries

970
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: that are some of our elites are have compromising relationships

971
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: with Ryan. Well, doctor Oz, Yeah, yeah, right there, Ryan,

972
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: what's your point today. So back in the fall of

973
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, the world was captivated by an extraordinary last

974
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: stand carried out by the Kurdish people in the city

975
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: of Kobani, which lies in northern Syria just south of

976
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: the border with Turkey. ISIS at the time was on

977
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: the rampage and they were expected to make quick work

978
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: of the Kurds hold up in Kobani, But then the

979
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: city didn't fall. Weeks of was standing, the onslaught turned

980
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: into months, and the Kurdish forces eventually pushed ISIS back

981
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: and even retook control of the surrounding countryside. It wasn't

982
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: It was widely seen as a turning point. At the

983
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: time the high water mark of the ISIS Caliphate, and

984
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: the Kurds were fighting on behalf of their self declared

985
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: nation of Rojava, the only state set up along anarchist principles,

986
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: even if those principles are far from implemented perfectly. The

987
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: main fighting force of the Syrian Kurds, the YPG, works

988
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: together with the US against ISIS in Syria, but It

989
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: is also considered a terrorist organization by the Turkish government,

990
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: which also labels as terrorists the PKK, which is a

991
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: Kurdish force operating in Turkey now. Earlier this month, a

992
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: bombing in Istanbul killed six people and wounded dozens, with

993
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: the Turkish government immediately blaming the Kurds, who denied responsibility.

994
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: Other Turkish officials have said it can't be ruled out

995
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: that Isis carried out the attack. Still, Turkey vowed to

996
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: attack the Kurds in response, and this week began bombing Kobani,

997
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: the site of the resistance to ISIS. Turkey also bombed

998
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: Kurdish facilities in northern Iraq, drawing a strangely worded rebuke

999
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: from the US State Department, said Ned Price quote, the

1000
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: US expresses sincere condolences for the loss of civilian life

1001
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: in Syria and Turkey. We urged de escalation in Syria

1002
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: to protect civilian life and support the common goal of

1003
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: defeating ISIS. We continue to oppose any uncoordinated military action

1004
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: in Iraq. So by uncoordinated Price it seems to be saying, hey, Turkey,

1005
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: please stop freelancing and bombing our allies now not to

1006
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: be outdone. Iran has taken the opportunity of the uprising

1007
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: inside its border to continue to attack its own Kurdish

1008
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: minority just across the border from Iraq. And so for

1009
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: people who haven't followed the history of this kind of

1010
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: nobody perhaps got screwed more after World War Two than

1011
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: the Kurds. Who what's your point, Well, at any given moment,

1012
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: the media can elevate or suppress information. This rankled progressives

1013
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: during the midterm cycle. When it came to crime, some

1014
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: thought the focus was disproportionate to the point of being

1015
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 1: Republican propaganda. We know the media isn't staffed by like

1016
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: crypto Republicans, but if it bleeds, it leads. Isn't just

1017
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: a rhyme, it's a business philosophy that can lead to

1018
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: some really bad outcomes. Because of technology, it's harder than

1019
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: ever to kind of exist outside the corporate media bubble.

1020
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: And while technology is also making it harder for them

1021
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: to control the narrative, it's making it easier for their

1022
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: narratives to control us because news is everywhere, even on

1023
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: the platforms we used to just keep up with friends

1024
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: and family, and the legacy press is still the most

1025
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: powerful press. A few short years ago, daily headlines fixated

1026
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: on whether Donald Trump had been compromised by Vladimir Putin.

1027
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: Nobody batted an ie when Hakim Jeffries said in twenty

1028
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: twenty that Trump was not a quote legitimate president, or

1029
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: that he was trying to quote steal the election with

1030
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: his quote buddies in the Kremlin. Hillary Clinton did the

1031
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: same thing. It was basically the Democratic Party's official line.

1032
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: In the wake of his elevation last week to Nancy

1033
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: Pelosi's successor, conservative media started referring to Haakim Jeffries as

1034
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: an election denier in headlines. That's not just trolling over

1035
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: the obvious double standard for people like Stacy Abrams and

1036
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton and Jeffries himself. There's a legitimate point to

1037
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 1: be made right here now. Of course, some of you

1038
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: pointed out after I did a monologue a couple of

1039
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: weeks ago that far Fear were Democrats and with less

1040
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: mainstream support from their party, voted against certifying electors in

1041
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, and there was no organized plot to overturn

1042
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: the results through different legal processes, nor was there an

1043
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,479
Speaker 1: assault on the capital from say Clinton supporters. That is true,

1044
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,439
Speaker 1: and a totally fair point. There is a difference. Instead, though,

1045
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: of abusing the electoral College or the election system itself,

1046
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: Democrats turned to the FBI. They sicked Robert Mueller on

1047
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: Trump's campaign and his administration, leaving no stone unturned in

1048
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: an effort to prove Trump, to borrow a phrase from Jeffreys,

1049
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: was not legitimately elected. Even before Trump, one FBI agent,

1050
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: Peter Struck, was referring to the Trump Russia probe as quote,

1051
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: an insurance policy against Trump's election. That probe would come

1052
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: to dominate Trump's presidency and clearly clearly contributed to the

1053
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: institutional distrust that brought people to the Capitol on January sixth,

1054
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: And the FBI, by the way, knows that because we're

1055
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: learning more and more every week about how many informants

1056
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: they had in groups that found themselves heavily involved on

1057
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: that day. Now, that is far from an excuse for rioters,

1058
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: but it's not true that twenty sixteen election deniers aren't

1059
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: also a very serious threat to the democratic system. Weaponizing

1060
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: the FBI on the basis of an illegitimate investigation to

1061
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: undercut the duly elected president is very very bad and

1062
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: very very anti democratic. Plus It then gave the FBI

1063
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: a more power and more perceived justification for encroaching on

1064
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: the freedoms of average Americans with beliefs that don't comport

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Speaker 1: with the beliefs of elites. That's where this all goes,

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Speaker 1: and it won't be good for regular Democrats either. Hakim

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Speaker 1: Jeffries has a lot of problems beyond parroting the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party's line on the twenty sixteen election, but it really

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Speaker 1: is worth imagining how the media could be covering him

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Speaker 1: and other Democrats who told the American people for years

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump was illegitimate. Right now for so called

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Speaker 1: neutral reporters to treat literally every Republican who even questioned

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Speaker 1: let's say, Zuckbucks in twenty sixteen, not even the voting

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Speaker 1: machines or any of the other conspiracy stuff, to treat

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Speaker 1: them as quote election deniers, but say nothing about Jeffries

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Speaker 1: is a worse threat than Jeffries himself just being a

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Speaker 1: partisan hack. If the media were actually neutral and skeptical

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Speaker 1: of power across the board, we could have had news

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Speaker 1: cycles in twenty sixteen on the abuse of the FBI

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Speaker 1: and news cycles now on Democrats elevating an election denier

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Speaker 1: to House leadership. If reporters were just honest about their biases,

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Speaker 1: this artificial construct of neutrality that we all live in,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be a lie and would be a lot less damaging.

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Speaker 1: And it would also destroy the incentives for people at

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Speaker 1: the FBI and in the Democratic Party to abuse their power.

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Speaker 1: Without a check from the press, Partisans are going to

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Speaker 1: do whatever they can to cling to power. Republicans have

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Speaker 1: plenty of their own issues, but media's coverage of some

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00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: of their bad behavior is actually helpful when it's done fairly,

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Speaker 1: because it disincentivizes that bad behavior. Politicians need that. Without it,

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Speaker 1: dangerous ideas promoted by Democrats are metastasizing. Speaking of conversations

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Speaker 1: like this one, we're going to transition into a conversation

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Speaker 1: now about conversations, a conversation about conversations, a little meta.

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving is around the corner. It's Thanksgiving week, and Ryan

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to talk a little bit about, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, what it's like to talk to people at Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 1: or we could give people advice on how to how

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Speaker 1: to talk to people who are wrong about stuff, since

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Speaker 1: all day long here we are talking to people who

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Speaker 1: are wrong about stuff and it's doing it in a

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Speaker 1: civil way, yes, because that's what you're going to have

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Speaker 1: to be doing Thursday at the dinner table, because you

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Speaker 1: can try to avoid it, which is probably the best

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Speaker 1: path forward. But if you can't, you know, what's what's

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Speaker 1: your strategy for When you wind up next to a

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Speaker 1: cat or a liberal uncle and they want to talk

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Speaker 1: about they want to talk about Russia, they want to

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Speaker 1: talk about Trump, they want to talk about whatever they

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Speaker 1: want to talk about, how do you I think we

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Speaker 1: have a problematic bias in this case because we're here

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Speaker 1: for the reason that we enjoy those types of conversations,

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Speaker 1: and so I've never honestly, really ever thought about how

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Speaker 1: to talk to people that disagree necessarily like in my

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Speaker 1: family or like a Thanksgiving type context, because I like that.

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Speaker 1: I don't have the sort of like typical aversion to

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Speaker 1: talking about politics or religion, because I think that's how

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Speaker 1: you connect with people in the strongest types of ways.

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Speaker 1: Like when you're able to have a really civil conversation

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Speaker 1: about politics and religion, that means that you're connecting with

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Speaker 1: a person in a healthy, deep way. And I really

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Speaker 1: honestly just personally enjoy that. But the more that I

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Speaker 1: think about it, the more that you have to I

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Speaker 1: think it's the bottom line is that you have to fundamentally,

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Speaker 1: like on a very human base level, respect the person

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Speaker 1: and like the person, and genuinely believe that they are

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Speaker 1: just as human as you are, and they've come to

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Speaker 1: those conclusions for just as human reasons, and that's where

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Speaker 1: it has to start. And if you don't have that,

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Speaker 1: I just don't see what the point is, Like if

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Speaker 1: you if you think that the other person is fundamentally

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Speaker 1: a bad human being, like if you're talking to an

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Speaker 1: actual there are some really like touching stories about people

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Speaker 1: who've talked to like actual new Nazis KKK members change

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Speaker 1: their minds through kindness, et cetera. I think that's really

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Speaker 1: going to be a rarity. And if you're talking to

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Speaker 1: somebody who's genuinely a bad person, you're probably not going

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Speaker 1: to change their mind. Do you have some liberals in

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Speaker 1: your in your family? Definitely? I don't know, I left

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Speaker 1: liberal progressive, like where do you? Where do you? Where

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Speaker 1: are your where are your blue? Members of your family

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Speaker 1: fall down? You know, my, uh, part of my family

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Speaker 1: is sort of working class Milwaukee. You know, the pro

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Speaker 1: union Democrats Catholic Democrats, and it's pretty much a cross

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Speaker 1: the spectrum as I imagine a lot of people's families

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Speaker 1: are now. I imagine that's the same for your family. Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: rural areas, bunch of Oklahoma. There are a Republicans out there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there you go, well, and how do you deal with

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Speaker 1: I mean, some of this is just based on without

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Speaker 1: getting personal, what I know in your family. There are

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Speaker 1: some of this is probably very personal and like very

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01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: people's politics are important to them, for sure, for everybody.

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Speaker 1: For others, it's kind of seems more like entertainment and

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Speaker 1: like as fired up as they are. What I have

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Speaker 1: found and what tends to work, is that the less

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Speaker 1: the less PARTI is than you are, the more you

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Speaker 1: can have a political conversation and what you can also do.

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean don't be ideological and don't have

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Speaker 1: a viewpoint, but don't make it a blue verse red

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Speaker 1: or even conservative versus liberal thing. If you can make

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Speaker 1: a top verst bottom, that's it's always that's always the easiest.

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Speaker 1: But you can also usually identify villains that you that

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Speaker 1: you have in common with somebody. I've noticed that so

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Speaker 1: like for years the Republicans in my family were pretty

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Speaker 1: supportive of the right wing of their party and also

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Speaker 1: their party leadership. That has that has changed recently. Now

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Speaker 1: you can kind of have your yucks about Mitch McConnell

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Speaker 1: or make fun of Daily Departed Paul Ryan, or if

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Speaker 1: they've heard of Kevin McCarthy yet, you can you can

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Speaker 1: identify figures that they consider rhinos or something like that.

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Speaker 1: You can have fun with them. But for years, the

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Speaker 1: corporate Democrats were such a nice ripe target that that

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Speaker 1: was an easy thing to kind of bond over anight

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Speaker 1: uh and and you could and then go from there

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Speaker 1: and say, look the things that things that you're saying

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Speaker 1: are actually the things that the left has the same critique.

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Speaker 1: But here here's the left solution. Like and like with healthcare,

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Speaker 1: you can often often do that one because the right

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Speaker 1: when it comes to healthcare, and they'll, I bet you

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Speaker 1: you're happy to admit this doesn't really have a solution. No,

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Speaker 1: it's one of the biggest failures of the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: of the last twenty years because no solution works within

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Speaker 1: within an honest kind of right wing free market frame

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Speaker 1: that also covers everybody. You just can't do it absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And so you know who learned that, Matt Romney. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and he was like, well, I guess we'll have to

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Speaker 1: do the kind of left wing market, weird combination thing

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Speaker 1: that's going to involve a lot of subsidies that that eventually,

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Speaker 1: if you leave it alone long enough, you know, you

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Speaker 1: should basically evolve into like a single payer. Things like

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Speaker 1: the medicare and insurance companies, you know, collude together on

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Speaker 1: pricing and then they become single pairs eventually. Like that's

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Speaker 1: that's where a system rationally grows in that direction, and

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Speaker 1: so you can you can reach people, I think, on

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Speaker 1: kind of a rational way, like that's ay, like you

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Speaker 1: hate these things, here's what your folks say you should do.

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Speaker 1: That wouldn't work. Yeah, here's here's what the left is saying.

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Speaker 1: And then you have to allow for okay, what what

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Speaker 1: are the criticisms of that? And as long as you're

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Speaker 1: open to the criticisms of it, then then then usually

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Speaker 1: you can keep it kind of you can keep it

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Speaker 1: kind of keep it kind of cool. Yeah, well that's

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Speaker 1: an interesting point because I do think I don't ever

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Speaker 1: see these conversations as like vehicles for persuasion necessarily and

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Speaker 1: I also feel like, right having a conversation, you should

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Speaker 1: like genuinely be interested in what the other person has

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Speaker 1: to say. And I think that's a huge secret to

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Speaker 1: sogegn Crystal's success and another huge like none of this

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Speaker 1: works if and this was probably the biggest handicap of

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Speaker 1: Crossfire Back on the Day, Back in the day and CNN,

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Speaker 1: which I think actually had a lot of merits despite

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Speaker 1: how ridiculous it became at times. The biggest handicap was

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Speaker 1: that you really did have red and blue. It was

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Speaker 1: Democrat and Republican. It wasn't conservative and liberal, it was

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Speaker 1: democratic talking points. First part is the talking point exactly

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Speaker 1: like literal talking points in certain cases, and that's not

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Speaker 1: really going to get you very far because you always

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Speaker 1: have to create double standards to justify what one of

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Speaker 1: the parties was doing because obviously we know people in

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Speaker 1: power problematic regardless of what little uh you know party

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Speaker 1: that identify with. But you should really just genuinely be

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Speaker 1: interested in what the other person has to say. And

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Speaker 1: if you're having a conversation that you're like willingly entering

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Speaker 1: into not that if once forced on you, this is different,

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Speaker 1: but like you should be before you could force it

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Speaker 1: on them because right next to you one of the

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Speaker 1: biggest Like, I haven't been around journalism, you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't mean I know I make jokes about Ryan being old.

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Speaker 1: This is not one of them, as long as as

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Speaker 1: you have. But one of the early lessons that I

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Speaker 1: learned very fast was how important humility is to journalism

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Speaker 1: because you're constantly trafficking in facts that change, arguments that change,

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Speaker 1: information that changes, frankly, because things move so quickly and

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Speaker 1: your arguments are never going to be static from point

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Speaker 1: A to point B over the course of ten years,

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Speaker 1: fifteen years, twenty years, and that necessarily means you have

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Speaker 1: to communicate in a way that reflects the reality. Things

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Speaker 1: will change, You will change, and so to have conversations

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Speaker 1: whether you're in the public sphere just side of Thanksgiving

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01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 1: dinner table, as though you definitely have the truth on

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Speaker 1: your side. And I would say this even in a conversation,

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Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent sure I have the truth on

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Speaker 1: my side when it comes to a very personal political issue.

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Speaker 1: Let's say, for instance, trensender ideology, Like, I am one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent on that. I feel very confident if you're

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Speaker 1: talking to you, yeah, not going to abortion either. But

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Speaker 1: if I'm talking to another person who also feels that way,

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Speaker 1: I assume that they feel that way for very legitimate reasons,

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Speaker 1: and that they also are very confident in their evidence,

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Speaker 1: and that they have been thoughtful about it, and that

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Speaker 1: they believe that for reasons that comport with their own

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Speaker 1: moral compass. And you know this isn't to say truth

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Speaker 1: is relative, because I'm also pretty much one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: sure that it's not. You. Have you seen any political

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Speaker 1: evolution on your union loving, working class democratic family out there?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I would

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Speaker 1: say they watch it, allowed to speak freely. Well, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to speak for people who you're talking about

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Speaker 1: a different A. Yeah, no, I mean I've noticed that

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Speaker 1: in general in Wisconsin, though. One of the biggest signs

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen was I was actually rollerblading super rural

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Speaker 1: area in northern Wisconsin. And it wasn't just like Trump science,

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Speaker 1: you know, like the little yard science. It was homemade

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Speaker 1: side of the barn, side of the barn, like giant plywood, handmade,

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Speaker 1: handpainted Trump stuff. Have you noticing change? I sa one

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Speaker 1: of my uncles. He's definitely gotten more right wing. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Democrats have gotten more. That's interesting. Yeah, well so I

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01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,719
Speaker 1: have a bunch of in laws down in South Florida,

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Speaker 1: as you know. Uh, and the the Hispanic television down there,

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Speaker 1: Spanish language TV is wild, Like Marie l viral Salads,

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Speaker 1: Maria l Viras Salas is actually representative, like came from

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Speaker 1: Univision and is now a like pretty maga representative. I

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Speaker 1: mean talking to one relative and he was spouting all

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Speaker 1: this like Q adjacent stuff and we're like so yearned

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Speaker 1: Q now said what I'm getting? He's like, what's Q?

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Speaker 1: They had no idea, But a lot of the Spanish

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Speaker 1: language news shows have taken kind of the outlines of it,

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Speaker 1: stripped the que out of it and some of the crazy,

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Speaker 1: but like are still feeding all the like all the

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Speaker 1: rest of it in a way that I think is

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Speaker 1: more disorienting to our politics than than people understand. So

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Speaker 1: that that's and that is actually and that's the kind

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Speaker 1: of thing that's nice to like find out as a

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Speaker 1: journalist because like otherwise I don't have a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of entree into into how that's affecting regular people who

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Speaker 1: are watching those programs. That's so true that if you,

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Speaker 1: and this is like if there are journalists watching, that's

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Speaker 1: one of the most important things about like going and

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Speaker 1: getting out of Washington, like even just out of the

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Speaker 1: news cycle for a little bit and talking to other people. Man,

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Speaker 1: Like it was crazy out there. The biggest bias in

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Speaker 1: media is working in media. Once you sort of get

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Speaker 1: out of the new cycle, you realize that people have

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of other concerns that aren't whatever. Ben

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Speaker 1: Collins just tweeted, it's Ben Collins. It's the like dystopia

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Speaker 1: guy the NBC News. Oh yeah it was. It was

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Speaker 1: very upset about Yeah, I did see that. Yeah, all right, Well,

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Speaker 1: we hope everybody has an enjoyable Thanksgiving. You know, none

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Speaker 1: of this is to say you should be bringing up politics,

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Speaker 1: but if you want to, I mean, there's a way

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Speaker 1: to do it with it being very constructive. And I

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Speaker 1: think the narrative that like you must stay away from

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Speaker 1: religion and politics. You don't have to obsess over it.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like you can have really constructive, healthy

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Speaker 1: relationship conversations through and maybe you can maybe you can

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Speaker 1: move people. That's right, maybe you can. You never you

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Speaker 1: never know. I think you've changed my opinion on several things.

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Speaker 1: There we go. Maybe we'll get into that sometime, or

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Speaker 1: maybe we won't be too embarrassing. I can't admit it.

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Speaker 1: I have a great Thanksgiving. Everybody