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Speaker 1: Now that's where people fell in love with Smokey And

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Speaker 1: it was during and after his recovery they started sending

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Speaker 1: just unbelievable. Now, Smokey lived at the National Zoo for

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Speaker 1: So I've seen figures that claim Smokey is recognized by

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Speaker 1: as much as ninety five percent of American adults. So

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Speaker 1: In fact, it's really hard not to say that, but

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Speaker 1: is all about mascots, we thought we'd share some of

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Speaker 1: listeners welcome, to part time genius. I'm Will Pearson and

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Speaker 1: today I'm joined by our good friend and researcher, Gabe Bluesier. Gabe,

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Speaker 1: The man goes on vacation with his family. Hopefully he's

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Speaker 1: And you know this this young schoolboy he submitted the

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