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Speaker 1: The first question we asked everybody, just like when you

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Speaker 2: Oh? The first person is just flat out bust my ass.

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Speaker 2: Grand Hill, Detroit, pissing grand Hill. You know he couldn't shoot.

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Speaker 2: The Skoton report was let him shoot and even though

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Speaker 2: the quickest player I ever played against. Still to this day.

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Speaker 3: You played against a healthy grand Hill.

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Speaker 2: Healthy grand first, I mean you be three feet off him,

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Speaker 2: dog and right by you. Now you could do looking

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Speaker 2: at the coach like yeah he was mean, Hey, he

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Speaker 2: ain't get hurt. He'd have been one of the all

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Speaker 2: time greats for sure.

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Speaker 4: Today we got a very special guest. We got my man,

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Speaker 4: Al Capone a k A. Al Harrington, a k a.

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Speaker 4: The boss Man, the leader of the pack. Mister look,

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Speaker 4: so y'all need to listen. It's your boys too, Rich.

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Speaker 2: And d Males challenge to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Season two and how we're thinking of what we do, Like,

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Speaker 1: just like, how did y'all come up with that?

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Speaker 3: Is this thing on little scripted? We kind of just

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Speaker 3: get into it.

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Speaker 2: We come from an authentic old geek standpoint. You weren't

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Speaker 2: winning with just one star player. This is a story

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Speaker 2: that people don't know this. Dude, have my shoes on, right?

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Speaker 2: He just talking hot mess. You know.

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Speaker 4: We were just young and wanted to prove ourselves and

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Speaker 4: you were in the way.

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Speaker 2: It's nice man, bought me some honey. Yeah, it's a grace.

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Speaker 1: A greyfield greyfield, greyfield, grayfield, grayfield, gravefield, gravefield.

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Speaker 3: Why you choose Saint Patrick High School to go to?

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Speaker 2: I didn't even know what Saint Past was, to be honest,

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Speaker 2: When you know when they first said the history of

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Speaker 2: was I had heard about a game where Shahine Holloway

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I remember that game and

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Speaker 2: I remember everybody talking about that game being like the

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Speaker 2: most hype game that year in the area. So that's

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Speaker 2: why I heard the Saint Patch. But I also heard

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Speaker 2: of Saint Anthony's. So when I went to this tournament

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Speaker 2: at Seaton Hall, pretty much both schools was interested in me,

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Speaker 2: And to be honest, I wanted to go to Saint

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Speaker 2: Anthony's just because I heard more about Saint Anthony's or whatever,

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Speaker 2: but Sat Pats was closer to my house. So to

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Speaker 2: be honest, like that's the reason why I went to

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Speaker 4: So I met you what that was at the freshman

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Speaker 4: that was after after sophomore year. After sophomore year Adidas.

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Speaker 4: This was when I first So we were at fifteen

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Speaker 4: fifteen sixteen. Yeah, Albert Albert Harrington, No, no Boogie, I

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Speaker 2: He was a big man. He was big, big Albert.

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Speaker 5: That's what all this like, big al big ay like

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Speaker 5: no Boogie knocked me bad looking like I'm like, but

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Speaker 2: I met he was cool. We hit it off right away.

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Speaker 2: Boy one year later, you know, I supposed to be

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Speaker 5: Boy, that boy came back by my ba Say y'all,

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Speaker 2: Boogey?

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Speaker 4: Like, boy, how did how did you like go from

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Speaker 2: Legendary team James feeling God bless today he windmilled on James.

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Speaker 2: James played on my AU team too, so he heard

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Speaker 2: have me do some of the most simplest ball drills.

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Speaker 2: Like everybody asked me how I got handled. I got

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. So I became creative with my game without

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Speaker 2: have been about? Did? I ain't never shooting?

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Speaker 1: Nobody never till me like that was the way to

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: When I was coming up, it was always played with

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Speaker 3: You can be on the level because right on the level.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the first time I seen you is going into

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Speaker 1: Looking at your squad, I'm like, man, they call we

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Speaker 1: had like forty five or something like that.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about man, you, I'm like, Man, who is heart?

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, man, he that deal right out of

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Speaker 1: everybody we used to play everybody. I'm talking about everybody

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Speaker 1: we used to play. I don't give I don't care

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Speaker 1: how good they was. We used to lock that ship up,

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Speaker 1: we used to have a saying we're gonna get somebody

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Speaker 3: But you, we couldn't stop you.

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Speaker 4: We only ran two plays, like we got out. But

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Speaker 4: like he was the only super like we won. He

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Speaker 4: was the only superstar that we couldn't lock up. And

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Speaker 2: So I ain't gonna lie to be honest, man, Like

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Speaker 2: going into that game, get y'all, never forget that game,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like I was so nervous, bro,

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Speaker 2: Like telling my nervous like stumpach, Like I go to

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Speaker 2: And I'm looking at my team like we had a

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: They weren't but they weren't talented, you understand what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: And I had to go out there and you know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying in that game, that was probably one

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Speaker 2: And y'all definitely brought that out of me.

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Speaker 1: You all those single hell and beat up you tried,

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Speaker 1: like I'm talking about, boy, you brought it.

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Speaker 2: I was like, we was.

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Speaker 4: I remember when I first saw you, was in the bathroom,

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Speaker 4: in the bathroom, the mouse coming to the bathroom.

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Speaker 2: That's the person time I like really saw you, like

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Speaker 2: at that tournament, like he told as hell he was

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Speaker 2: out there getting to the money too. But you definitely

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Speaker 2: had to play behind them. They was the one They

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Speaker 2: back from the MVP a Nike camp. It was his fault,

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Speaker 2: but I didn't get it. Yeah, I think we got

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Speaker 2: was like you was number one. I was number two

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Speaker 4: I told everybody a new ass boy, and I'm talking

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Speaker 4: about the only thing was he came and did the

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Speaker 4: same thing. But he was six y nine saying like

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Speaker 4: that was the year that everybody, like remember Rashard said no,

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to do this. I gotta go there

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Speaker 4: because that's what everybody was at the whole top.

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Speaker 2: Nobody was at Nobody that was that was that would change.

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Speaker 2: It was it was bumped there.

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Speaker 3: In high school, you played with man.

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Speaker 1: One of my guys, a good dude, Samuel dollon bro

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Speaker 1: I remember him at Nike camp.

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Speaker 2: He had their head two Birse came over.

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Speaker 1: It was like he don't speak Iglish, but he knew

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Speaker 1: every Tupac verse. He knew every Tupac verson. You right,

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Speaker 1: a motherfucker rapping Tupac.

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Speaker 2: Talk. But I know how that's the first thing all

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Speaker 2: of them.

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Speaker 1: I remember that souven Dylan Bird was walking around there

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Speaker 1: man bumping Tupac rapping it and then say another word

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Speaker 1: outside of that was.

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Speaker 2: One of my That was one of my weird this team,

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Speaker 2: and he's dog in high school. Bro. He used to like,

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Speaker 2: you know, he was already seven foot and he thought

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Speaker 2: he was like a karate kung fu legend. Every time

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Speaker 2: you come down to it was called two where the lockers.

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Speaker 2: Was he down there like fighting five kids, like kicking yo.

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Speaker 2: He was going crazy. He was just like, you can't

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Speaker 4: They were running when he's trying to fight him, and

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Speaker 4: he's just throwing them into the lockers and kicking him

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Speaker 4: into the lockers.

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Speaker 2: And then so the one, the one one story real quick,

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Speaker 2: Uh, I was gonna go to Georgia Tech. And the

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Speaker 1: What made you go straight out of high school? The

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Speaker 3: But in the workouts I got deeper, closer to number one? Right?

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Speaker 2: I just I was terrible, bro. I couldn't put it together,

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Speaker 2: When I went to Adidas camp, I didn't get it.

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Speaker 3: They gave you experience of saying something bigger exactly.

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Speaker 2: So, but just think about this must car ride with

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Speaker 2: I did bro. He got me a spot in the

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Speaker 3: With us.

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Speaker 2: I was supposed to be a coach man. You know what.

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Speaker 2: I I don't know how this hoop thing worked out.

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Speaker 2: How I became Al Harrington for real? Was I bust

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Speaker 2: Lamar owedeham Ass in South Jersey. And you know, Lamar

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Speaker 2: I was just like, shit, if I finished this year

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Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying, that's how that went

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Speaker 2: so really bro, like my mom. I had to talk

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Speaker 2: She's just like, what you gonna go play with grown men?

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Speaker 2: She like, look like, you ain't even that good mom.

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Speaker 2: She worked all the time, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: so she wouldn't I have a mom that was all

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Speaker 1: I felt my mom didn't really believe Eve how cool

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Speaker 2: She started crying. She signed it, she started crying. I'm like, man,

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Speaker 2: I know what I'm doing. I'm like mine they told

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Speaker 2: you're talking about? I remember, like you know that whole stress.

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Speaker 2: We went everything.

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Speaker 4: You know, you go to McDonald's, all of this stuff,

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Speaker 4: the game, you know us say to who's something like

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Speaker 4: matter of fact, we was in the game.

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Speaker 2: Where Dirk did his big splash. You got who was

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Speaker 2: the coach?

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Speaker 4: I want the fire on the coach, rem I can't

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Speaker 4: ain't players like you play like Richard played, and then

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Speaker 4: you play his guys Ronald Curry, who wasn't you know,

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Speaker 4: basketb hate on him, but he was you know what

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Speaker 2: He was was bout Williams. Yeah, but who wasn't the

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Speaker 2: I don't know whoever coaches, whoever it was, But but

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Speaker 2: I got busy in the game.

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Speaker 4: I didn't get to play in the hoops something. But

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Speaker 4: Dirk bust I ass that's the game that put him

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Speaker 4: can't put like thirty four on us. And I'm saying

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Speaker 4: I didn't really.

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Speaker 2: I ain't know who he was. I didn't even seen

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Speaker 2: him before, That's what I'm saying. Like I wasn't all

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Speaker 4: I had no idea who he was, but he was

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Speaker 4: out none of us did, none of us. I never

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Speaker 4: heard of him at all, none of us. We didn't

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Speaker 4: know who the.

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Speaker 2: Kid with the blind hair flowing?

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Speaker 3: When when did you get into the rankings and stuff

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Speaker 3: like to see the rankings?

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Speaker 2: And so it was after it was after Adidas camp.

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Speaker 2: I was like top seventy five to one hundred. I

436
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,560
Speaker 2: played in there. Once I got Lamar, I was kind of,

437
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 2: you know, doing whatever. But when I got Lamar, I

438
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,159
Speaker 2: went to the top twenty five. You started, So you know,

439
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,080
Speaker 2: you got the couple of tournaments before Nike or whatever.

440
00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,440
Speaker 2: I killed those. So now I'm like top fifteen, top

441
00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,159
Speaker 2: twenty in between there and then after the.

442
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 3: Kids, so let's forty five or whatever you put up

443
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 3: on them gave you a boost too.

444
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,480
Speaker 2: Because well everything counting at.

445
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:08,479
Speaker 4: That, every little bit of help, everything, every little bit

446
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 4: of help.

447
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 3: And you ball. Like when you was coming up, like

448
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 3: who was the guys that you were seeing? Like, man,

449
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,159
Speaker 3: he nice coming up.

450
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:23,159
Speaker 1: Tim Thomas, Tim Tom hard, he was hard, effortlessly he was.

451
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 1: That's why that's why I won number three. Like it's

452
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,440
Speaker 1: missed about Tim Thomas did what I said. I'm like

453
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,639
Speaker 1: this black killing he had.

454
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,880
Speaker 2: He was chill, he a dog. He was like it's

455
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 2: so easy to have that.

456
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was cool.

457
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 2: Fam. Tim Thomas was the one of the one of

458
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 2: one of the funniest teammates.

459
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,640
Speaker 4: To me that like Tim never had a bad day. Bro, Tim,

460
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,920
Speaker 4: every time you see him Tim come in, smile, I'm saying,

461
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 4: likes good, you know what I'm saying, Like never rush,

462
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 4: never in a hurry. Always he's smooth, chilling, like what's up, dogy,

463
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 4: like you know what I'm saying, Like you know what

464
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like what's good?

465
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 2: Like chilling later or not? Never I'm talking about never

466
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 2: had a bad day, bro, like Tim Thomas.

467
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 3: Who else?

468
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 2: Tim Kobe obviously saw Cob. I seen Kobe. I told

469
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 2: I bumped in. I bumped into him at the University

470
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 2: of Maryland and I was walking out the door. I

471
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 2: was walking in the door. He's walking out and like

472
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 2: the door kind of hit me or whatever, and like whatever,

473
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: he introduced itself. He said what's up on Kobe? And

474
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 2: I was like, what up? Bro? You know what I'm saying,

475
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 2: and like so he was cool like that in high school, right,

476
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 2: Shane Battier was kind of nice, like just watch he's

477
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 2: one of the guys that did everything. So you fit

478
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 2: that mold.

479
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 3: You just must respect the shame. I hate a shame.

480
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 2: I hate his game too. But in Height and Au

481
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 2: I seen him like do work, you know what I'm saying.

482
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 4: Uh?

483
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 2: Who else I saw do working?

484
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 3: Uh?

485
00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 2: Obviously lamar hold him. Uh, it was a lot. It

486
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 2: was a lot of nice dudes.

487
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 4: Remember Cali that I meant lead out of Maine was

488
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 4: out there giving that was a bucket boy, you hear me.

489
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 2: It's big bro, working dude worked out.

490
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 3: Who was the person that you've seen that you wanted

491
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 3: to like mimic your game?

492
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 2: You know?

493
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 3: So?

494
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 2: Remember so I wasn't that good right and so in

495
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: high school? So I never I never was playing the

496
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 2: parking was like Jordan's never did that, like never once ever,

497
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 2: I never had that The one player I like, bro,

498
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: I promise you Dog Oakley was my favorite. Like Oakley,

499
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 2: his game was just limited enough that I felt like

500
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 2: I could play like that, you know what I'm saying now,

501
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: once I got good. Scottie Pippen was the guy was

502
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 2: like I wanted to. I always wanted to like impact

503
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 2: the entire game. And that's when my AU coach always

504
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 2: taught me. Like he never gave me props for scoring

505
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 2: all the time, you know what I'm saying, Always about

506
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 2: all the other stuff. You know, he never said nothing

507
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: about scoring ever. It was always about all the intangible,

508
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 2: all the little stuff here and there, and so Scotty

509
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 2: was the guy that I was just like, you know,

510
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: if it was anybody wanted to play like, it was him.

511
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: So tell me this, how was it?

512
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 4: When you all right, you get drafted, right, then you

513
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 4: gonna live with a d Antonio. I play with a D.

514
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 4: That's the that's the o g big home. If anybody

515
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 4: I could see somebody, your young dude staying with it

516
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 4: was somebody like a D because a D is a

517
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 4: super solid big brother, right. But I'm not That's what

518
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 4: I'm saying. I said, if anybody, I'm just trying to

519
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 4: figure out how you still.

520
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 2: How did you do it?

521
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: For the only one in the history then ever did that?

522
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: I ain't never heard nobody in the history of the game.

523
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: Then they got drafted and winter Stay was u about it,

524
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: like you stayed with one of your team, and it's like,

525
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: that's great.

526
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: So this is what happened. This is what happened, y'all listen,

527
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 2: So it makes it'll make sense if I tell y'all house,

528
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 2: I know, right with his wife and kids and everything.

529
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 2: But he had a big ass house and I had

530
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: the whole downstairs. So the downstairs was like a bedroom, sawn,

531
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 2: a movie theater, whole living room area and another kitchen,

532
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: so he had like some crazy cribs. So literally I

533
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: had my own crib downstairs. I still went in through

534
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 2: the main curfew. Yo, I ain't gonna lie. One time

535
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 2: you had a curve. No, no, no. One time his

536
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: wife says something to me about coming in made.

537
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 4: I was just like, damn, really, I'm like, really, Kendrick

538
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 4: or whatever, but this will happen. Lock I got drafted

539
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 4: was a lockout. So remember this is the real lockout.

540
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 4: When we came back, it was only thirty games. So

541
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 4: we came back after February. We came back after normally

542
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 4: All Star break. So what happened was I was living

543
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 4: in Atlanta with Steph the whole time, so I was

544
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 4: out there training with Steph on Marbury. Right then, I'll

545
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 4: tell you what now and I think about it, like

546
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 4: in December is when they started thinking the lockout was

547
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 4: about to end, right, So Reggie made everybody come back

548
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 4: to Indiana and start getting ready for the season, because

549
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 4: remember they just lost Game seven to the Bulls, might

550
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 4: just retired, so now they think it's their time. They

551
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 4: definitely the best team in the league, so let's start

552
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 4: having workouts. And everything right. So he made everybody come

553
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 4: in town. The only two people that did not come

554
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 4: was the three people that didn't come was Dale Davis,

555
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 4: Jalen Rose, and Travis Best.

556
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: Loving and that all twelve players. Anybody that was gonna

557
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: be on the rookie you know, gonna try out for

558
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 2: the team. Everybody was there. So what happened was since

559
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: I ain't have my bread yet, you know what I'm saying,

560
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 2: he was like, just stay with me while you do

561
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: the training or whatever. He's like, you know, it's cool,

562
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: my wife cool or whatever. So it goes from December

563
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 2: all the way to February. So now I'm ingrained in

564
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 2: the crib, bro, where you gonna send me? Now? You

565
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, The season about to snoop. Put

566
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: me out. You're gonna put me out. I gotta go

567
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: find a crib now. For what I'm in here, I'm

568
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: supposed I'm good now. So that's what happened, bro. So

569
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 2: I went from because I didn't have bread to get

570
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: a crib because it was a lockout. Just stay with

571
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: him during the workout. Then they ended in February. The

572
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 2: season was gonna be over in what May or whatever.

573
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: So he's just like, just let's lose you rock out. Yeah,

574
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 2: just stay here. And that's how it happened. Bro, Believe me.

575
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 2: I did not want to stay there, but it just

576
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: made a lot of sense.

577
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: Shout out, nowin't gonna lie man, two things, man like,

578
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: two ways he saved me, right, So one time he

579
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: saved me because I and this is where like is

580
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: huge having big homies, right.

581
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 2: First time. One day I come home. I had this

582
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 2: big box at the crib, right, so it's like I

583
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: open it up, It's all these books or whatever. Right,

584
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 2: So I'm looking at him and like numbers in the

585
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: books and all this stuff or whatever. So I'm like, whatever,

586
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 2: I take it. I put it up in the closet.

587
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: Like two weeks later, I come home again and Antonio

588
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: sitting at the table with all them same books I had.

589
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 2: So it looked like he took the books that I had, right,

590
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 2: So I'm looking at him. I'm like, where you get

591
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 2: those from. He's like, he's like, what do you mean

592
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 2: I got him in the mail? I was like, I said,

593
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 2: it look like the books I got downstairs. He was like,

594
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: you know what these are? Right, I'm like what He's like, taxes.

595
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: So I'm like, what you do He's like, I'm signing,

596
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: I'm filling out my taxes or whatever. So I had

597
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: got the same book whatever. I ain't know nothing about taxes,

598
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. My financial people just sent

599
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 2: me this stuff and then tell me to sign uphing

600
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: and had to sign my taxes right. So one he

601
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 2: saved me from he taught me how to pay taxes

602
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: or then I had to pay taxes, you know what

603
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And then the second thing was that one

604
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: day man Reggie Miller, so Reggie Miller and and and

605
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 2: Mark Jackson dog like used to pick on me about everything. Son,

606
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: I couldn't watch you right where if I wear lip gloss,

607
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: they sent like not lip gloss, but you know what

608
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: I'm saying, lips, you know what I mean?

609
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 4: But anything like they just everything. So but but Mark

610
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 4: Jackson off the court was my man like. He made

611
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 4: me go everywhere with him everywhere I didn't gonn know.

612
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 4: He didn't go nowhere without me.

613
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: So we had that relationship off the court, but on

614
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: the court him and Reggie would just ride me about everything.

615
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: So one day, man, they was on me so tough doughty.

616
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: They got me to the point where I wanted to fight,

617
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: Like literally, I wanted to fight. Right, I'm like, man,

618
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: fuck this. Tomorrow when I go to practice, Reggie say

619
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: anything to me, I'm stilling like that's how much Reggie

620
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: got under my skin. Now. I love Reggie. Reggie the

621
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 2: big homie. That's up with this is how they treat rookies.

622
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: So I get home and Antonio could tell something's wrong

623
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: with me, like Pops, Like Pop's like sitting son, what's

624
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 2: going on? So I think he saw it in practice too,

625
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I'm telling him and

626
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: I was like, understand, like a while Mark so fake,

627
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, my homeboy. And then on

628
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: the and then we go on the court, he get

629
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: with Reggie and I was just like, I promise you,

630
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: Reggie say anything tomorrow. I'm steal off on him.

631
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: Right.

632
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: He's like, young fella, let me just let me stop

633
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: you there. That's not a good idea. I don't want

634
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: to just.

635
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 4: Pick somebody else, not child. I feel like that's not

636
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 4: a good idea, fella, you know what I'm saying. So

637
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: he definitely taught me all the clippers I probably been

638
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 4: out in the league about of stolen Regie.

639
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. But nah, but yeah, Red,

640
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: I mean, but uh Antonio, man, he just he taught

641
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: me about being professional, like being on time, you know

642
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: days where you know I'll get to a late start.

643
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: He be on me like dog, you just got in here. Man,

644
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: we don't owe you nothing. He seems to owe you nothing.

645
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: I don't need to ever wake up, and you ain't

646
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: eating eggos when I'm coming to get mine. You to

647
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: be out this house already, you know what I'm saying.

648
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: So he taught me a lot from that perspective, like

649
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: how to be a professional, and I want to didn't

650
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: want you to rise a practical He told you to

651
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: get there before yeah I'll be gone like so after that, Bro,

652
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: I hardly ever seen him in the morning in the house. Bro,

653
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: I've been gone being gone. He's still sleep.

654
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: We need that when we're now.

655
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: You need it, bro. And he was your coach. Uh Yeah.

656
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: So I started with Larry Bird and then got Zeke

657
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: got Z yeah, back to back ho back to back

658
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: in two different stages.

659
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 3: Against y'all in uh Indiana.

660
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 4: It wasn't even It was something like you know, small

661
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 4: place in Indiana, not regularly Indiana.

662
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: Right, it was at Indiana State, Right, went down there.

663
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 4: I remember that punch that thing on Jao so nasty.

664
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 4: Jail gave him a five, gave him a five.

665
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: Lord that was like shake his head, yo, mean bro

666
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: like don't shake his head yo ze me. I'm telling you,

667
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: man Zeke pregame talk is bro then about the fight.

668
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: He be then about to fight somebody. Yo. He crazy,

669
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: but I got stories on him in that locker room.

670
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: He tried to kill j Rose one day. He tried

671
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: to kill Jayalen. And I ain't gonna why Jayalen was.

672
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: You remember how you remember how Matt Barnes faked that

673
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: thing that Kobe and Kobe just Ice grilled it. That's

674
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: how Jayalen played it. Through speakers at him, speaking through

675
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: speakers at him, like chuck them at him. He of

676
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: a move, but the speakers I came right here and

677
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: dropped because it was connected. They wasn't connected. I promisedated

678
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: hit him, cause sons, he did not flinch or he

679
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: just sat there. He just chucked him at him. He

680
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: just I just fell to the last got right. He

681
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: blocked you with his mind.

682
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: I remember I remember I was gig. I dunked on

683
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: Jermaine O'Neil during the preseason. We played j all in

684
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: l a so in and out of him at like

685
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: the like at the half court line. I'm like the

686
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: boom one more time.

687
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 3: I just stuck it all the way out there and

688
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: he caught my and like I.

689
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: Fel like I died in the earth, like he caught

690
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: Like I hung myself on the rail, fell out of

691
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: bounce the ball hit me.

692
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: I felt like he got me back, but you was

693
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: got back. Yeah, I feel like he got I will

694
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: say about Jayo, man, j used to go get every day.

695
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: He didn't care about He did not get dunked on

696
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: a lot. Thank god. You know what I'm saying. Get it.

697
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: But he was nice offensively and defensively, but he didn't

698
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: get them. He don't get the props he deserved. Were

699
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: just asking ron about, like, man, how good Jayo was?

700
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: I was contender because of jo was that?

701
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: But I think that he just came up in that

702
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: era would have power forward was running the game because

703
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: remember it was him, you know like he.

704
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: Was he was.

705
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: He was he was in that mix or he was

706
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: in that mix. It's like how the point guards are

707
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: right now. So it's a couple. You know how we

708
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: always think point guards like Damn Kimber, damn Michael Conley,

709
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: they stupid nice, but it's just so many they was

710
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: just telling that zeb man.

711
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: He was the boys man like all up on us

712
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: to see you go against the Duncans and the kgs

713
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: and seeing putting them twenty and teams up every year,

714
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: Like that's big. It's on Jao too. Yeah, one high

715
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: school brothers. You know, straight out of high school. We

716
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: didn't need all that college stuff, man, way advanced.

717
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: Waste of time, bro. Yeah, we went to get the money.

718
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: Everybody get the money.

719
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: You got the opportunity to play with another guy that's

720
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: part of our fraternity, that straight out of high school fraternity,

721
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: and he ain't never get the chance to like blossom.

722
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about.

723
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: Jonathan Bender. Yep, he was like KD.

724
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: He's one of the KD versions too, Like the had

725
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: a rack after KD DNA from all us being the

726
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: tall dribbling guys and had a ratchet that he could

727
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: shoot light out shoot that ball jump shooter he was.

728
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: He could flat out shoot that ball. I'm telling his

729
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: problem started in high school, bro, Like they they country

730
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: picking you on Mississippi.

731
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: Bro.

732
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: He from the country park where when his knee swell,

733
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: like his brother, grab a needle and take out the fluid. Yeah,

734
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And uh, you know the story.

735
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: He went in for some type of regular surgery and

736
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: woke up with microfracture surgery and like he was never

737
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 2: the same after that.

738
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: And back then michae effex surgeon one, because I got

739
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: Michael Fax surgery on my day, right, but it was

740
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: after we've seen the Mary come back and get All Star,

741
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd come back right on, Michael Faxtor surgeon and

742
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: get all star.

743
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Right, that's when I got

744
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 3: minor kind of come back. Yeah.

745
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: He but when he got it, it was early and

746
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 2: he just never was the same. But I tell you what, man,

747
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: Like he's the out shoot Larry Bird all the time,

748
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 2: only person in the gym that could do it, Reggie.

749
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: Reggie wouldn't even out shoot Larry like that. They wouldn't

750
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 2: really shoot because they had that respect because they played

751
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: with each other and against him.

752
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: Terry still had a raget like that old school Larry

753
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: Cash whole nothing number.

754
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: One, but JB would beat him and shooting all the time.

755
00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: Every time he had he could jump this high out.

756
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 2: Yeah he had it all either leg, he had it all, bro. Yeah,

757
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 2: I just couldn't get right. They used to call it them.

758
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: I won't talk to you. You know what I'm saying.

759
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: I want to see because I remember he was a rookie, right.

760
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 2: Remember I'm telling you, I used to call Mark and Jack.

761
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: I used to call market Reggie dickenballs to the young guys. Guy,

762
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: I can never say it to them, Dicken balls, right.

763
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: So they used to call him because you know, his

764
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: rookie year got there and he had a little knee

765
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: issue and he was you know, he ain't get on

766
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: the court because you know he came in remember he

767
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: had most scoring, most points in McDonald's game. Yeah, so

768
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 2: he was supposed to be that dude, but he couldn't

769
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 2: get on the court with us just a little bit better.

770
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: So they just like they was like they can pay

771
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: this kid the gardt ticket stuff. It's called ticket stuff, bro,

772
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Like, think about your old Jesus guys.

773
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 2: You woke up to out of follow him. You know

774
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, right, So you see why they get

775
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: you to that point because it was relentless. Bro, these

776
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: dudes was relentless. They used to call them ticket stuff.

777
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: He hello, the I have to ask you to talk

778
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 2: about protege. Oh man, my man had his own shoe.

779
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: You might don't remember this. I remember the work man

780
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 2: would have work. This man had his own shoe. Protg

781
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: big ball of when I was proudly was it protege?

782
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: Prote I used to the cross the street from the guarden.

783
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: They had to joint on lot the little bill boy

784
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: right there on both sides of the garden. How did

785
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: that happen? How did that come about? Man? So once again,

786
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 2: one of your best friends, my man Starberry Marbury. You know,

787
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: he had did the starb everything or whatever. And you

788
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 2: know I saw what he did or whatever. I saw

789
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: the impact that he had with it, right, But it

790
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: quickly failed because the company that he did it with

791
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: they cashed out off of it. They took it cash

792
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 2: off of and then they just buried Stephen Berry. So

793
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: what Stephen Barry so whoever bought the company bought it

794
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: to like to just get rid of it. It's so crazy.

795
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: That's when you realize big money stuff. Two hundred million

796
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: dollars to get rid of it. So when that happened,

797
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: he never could get back. He never get his footing back,

798
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: and then he was out the league, you know what

799
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: I'm saying. But what I saw was I saw that

800
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: the impact that it really was having on communities and

801
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: kids and stuff like that, you know what I'm saying.

802
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 2: And what you know, the one thing I you know,

803
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 2: I'll say is that you know, I'm always in tune

804
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: into like what's going on around me and especially just

805
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: what's going on in the community, you know what I mean.

806
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: And even when I remember growing up, like you know,

807
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 2: I remember eighth grade year, like I had bought shoes

808
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: that was too small, you know what I'm saying, because

809
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: I really wanted them, like the Hirachi's, the one that

810
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 2: go the green ones they wrapped the little thing around

811
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: your ankle or whatever, and like literally they were really

812
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: too small, Like a week indto school, and I remember

813
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: my Mom's making me rock them joints all like most

814
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 2: of these school Yeah, like make like you're gonna wear

815
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: them small ass shoes, you know what I'm saying. And

816
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 2: I remember her like, well, we can go get you

817
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: these and they weren't the right dunts, you know what

818
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: I'm saying. But then the open pro wanes and n

819
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 2: exactly you know what I'm saying. So I'm definitely not

820
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: doing that. Cut the toe off of these joints before

821
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 2: at my feet out, you know what I'm saying. You

822
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But what it did was it

823
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: you know, it enlightened me that, you know, us as

824
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: athletes or whatever, the power that we have, and like,

825
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: you know, the way that we make people feel, you

826
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, knowing that they could be a

827
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: part of us or our lifestyle, you know what I'm saying.

828
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: So what Steph's shoe showed me was that you could

829
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: have a shoe that's you know, twenty thirty forty bucks,

830
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: and if it's pushed and endorsed by the right person,

831
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: a kid is still feeling power wearing that shoe and

832
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: not feel like he wear the unto dunts, you know

833
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So everybody can't afford Jordan's. Everybody can't

834
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: afford the dopest nikes, you know what I'm saying. But

835
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: there is a Middle America where I think there's a lane,

836
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: it's still and it's still a laying there. Like, I

837
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: don't know why these kids don't do it, especially now

838
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: with social media the way that we can control so

839
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: much of our own marketing. I don't understand why some

840
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: of these top guys just don't make their own brand.

841
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I think I think that

842
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: better resources than now compared to the world is open

843
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: up to us now. So now you can get the

844
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 2: same dude in manufactured Nikes to make yours and you

845
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: could tell that story like this is the same factory

846
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: that the joints come out of. You understand what I'm saying.

847
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: We can control the narrative now, you know what I'm saying.

848
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 2: So I don't understand why dudes don't do that, because

849
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: you know, you may make fifty million dollars, but it's

850
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: over ten years from Nike. You it's potentially you can

851
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: make ten million, fifty million in one year. Depends if

852
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: to shoot hot, it go viral. You never know, you

853
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. That's that's the type of opportunity

854
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: out here. If God just wake up and you know,

855
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: just be more, be more of an entrepreneur spirit you

856
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I think there's a lot of

857
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: guys that could cash out because I mine would have worked.

858
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: I just had bad business partners. You know what I'm saying,

859
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: picked yourself. It's an entreprog spirit back then. You know,

860
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: I'm telling Kmar picked us up. They did the test

861
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: run about to give us the whole thing. Bro Sears

862
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 2: were about to was about to do a deal in

863
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: Sears with a higher end protege.

864
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

865
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 2: Exactly. Bro was right there, dog, but I had a

866
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: bad business part that he just did something. I don't

867
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: want to talk about it, but yeah, it happens. It

868
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: was a brother too, which even worse, you know what

869
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: I'm saying, somebody that looked like me over You know

870
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But that's just part of it. You learn,

871
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: You live and learn and keep pushing. You know, Yeah,

872
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: you played for the Warriors.

873
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: I had like some characters on that Warriors team, like

874
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: we you know, we knew all y'all guys, so you

875
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: know it was it was like.

876
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 3: Seeing y'all like enjoy the way y'all hoop.

877
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: And then y'all had a coach like Don Nelson you

878
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, who finish be so created right?

879
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: Drunk the lineup and stuff.

880
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: Drunk, Yeah, you go drunk making stuff up.

881
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: He gonna come up with something, and y'all was exciting.

882
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: Y'all did something big in two thousand and seven by

883
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: winning that first round series from the number one seed.

884
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 3: What was that season like?

885
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: Like?

886
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: What was that that series like?

887
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: So that that season was? That season was one to

888
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 2: remember for me. So I went from Atlanta, signed back

889
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: as a free agent and in Indiana. Back in Indiana.

890
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 2: In my mind, I'm like, I'm never leaving Indiana again

891
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: because I had all that success in Indiana. I went

892
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: to Atlanta and want to combined thirty games in two

893
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: seasons when I won sixty two the year before in Indiana.

894
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: So I got back to Indiana. Jo was there. Stack

895
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: was there, you know, Jamal Tinsley. We had a crew

896
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: like I'm coming back. I'm getting my six man roll back,

897
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: like we about to go, you know what I'm saying.

898
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: And it just didn't go as playing, you know what

899
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: I'm saying. You know, Stack had to shoot out and

900
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: train the camp. So that's the first thing that just

901
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: you know, started to spiral and uh, and then you know,

902
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: we was just a little wilder. We forgot we was

903
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: NBA players a little bit. The way it was conducting ourselves.

904
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 2: You know, we was partying, We was nice, right. We

905
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: knew we could win games, so we just went so

906
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: hard off the court. And you know, you could just

907
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: tell like things was kind of coming to a point.

908
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Ahead, you know what I'm saying.

909
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 2: It was just like, yeah, they're not gonna continue to

910
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 2: let us act like this. And uh, you know, one

911
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 2: day I'm at practice and Donnie Watsh calls me upstairs

912
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: and I'm think it's just some routine whatever, and he

913
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: was just like, I traded you. And I was just

914
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: like what He's like, I traded you. I was like,

915
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: I just signed back. I just I just built a house.

916
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: I gutted a house that every day, just moved in

917
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: it three days before that and calling me up there.

918
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: So he's like, you're gonna have to sell it or whatever,

919
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: like was you're gonna have to sell it.

920
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: But I respect that though, because you know, you're right,

921
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: like they'll have you all day practice. Everybody's smiling. You

922
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: will see the dude who posed to call you and

923
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: tell you that soon as you get to the crib, Yeah,

924
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: you just got traded, Like I just.

925
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: S I did it that fast as I left the joke.

926
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 3: Like at least he gave the respect.

927
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: Donny. Donnye's a mobster. He's a mobster. Bro. He come

928
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: from that. He cut from that cloth. He wanted them

929
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 2: understand facts.

930
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 4: I'm telling the wait for a man to sit in

931
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 4: his office with no lights on and smoked cigarettes like

932
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 4: he cold, He's just.

933
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: Different, you know what I'm saying. Right, So, so we

934
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: get traded to Golden State, and I never forget when

935
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 2: I get there the first ding first day, Donny Wall

936
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 2: said to me, He's like, why don't you rebound more?

937
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: And I was like, I get like seven rebounds. He's like,

938
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: you should be getting ten. He's like, I think it's

939
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: because you overweight. So that was my first encounter with him,

940
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: you know, like literally like I think you, oh wait,

941
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 2: you need to lose like ten to fifteen pounds or whatever.

942
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: So he put me on this schedule like me and

943
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: Beat used to have to weigh in every week, you

944
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, tracking our weight. But we get there, bro,

945
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: they was they was in the maybe seventh spot. When

946
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: we got there, they was playing pretty good. They traded

947
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy, whoever else brought us saying we

948
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: got there. Bed was hurt when we first got there.

949
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: So we played like the first three games with our bead.

950
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 2: I think we lost all three games. Bad comes back.

951
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 2: We'd like go two for five out of the next

952
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: couple whatever. So now you know, now you get towards

953
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: the end of the season, and I think we needed

954
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 2: to go. I think we needed doing sixteen out of

955
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: nineteen games to make the playoffs. And we did that shit,

956
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: and we just and you got as y'all know that

957
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: what you call that, that's called momentum. You know what

958
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So that min of them, you win sixteen

959
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 2: out of nineteen games, you rolling, you know what I'm saying.

960
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: So we took that into the playoffs. Nelly had just

961
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: left Dallas, so he knew everything about Dirk. He knew

962
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: all his tendencies and everything he said Dirk would do,

963
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: Dirk did every single time. He said he gonna turn

964
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: over his left shoulder. Every time he turned over his

965
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: shoulders left every time, no matter who was around, whenever

966
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: he turned, everybody went for the block on his jump shot,

967
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: So he was blocking his jumper because you bring it

968
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 2: back and all that make his move spind and we

969
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: were just blocking it, you know what I'm saying. And honestly,

970
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 2: I think that now that I know the game, and

971
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: after I looked at that series again, I think what

972
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: they messed up was that they played down to us.

973
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: They didn't play how they won the sixty something played

974
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: all season. They changed the way they played to match us,

975
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: and I think that if they played big over time,

976
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: you know, big wins, you know what I'm saying, The

977
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: more rebounds you get, all that that really plays a

978
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: part into winning. They trying to match down to us,

979
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: and that was the wrong thing. I remember that because.

980
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 4: Mark mark Wire was working with us with the Knicks,

981
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 4: and he was tight with Donnie, with don Nelson, and

982
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 4: he was like out there, he was like, I got him.

983
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 4: He was like he said he taught to die the

984
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 4: one day he was like, man, he was like, now

985
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 4: he said, we got got him.

986
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 2: I fucking gat him. Yeah he was. That was a championship.

987
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: So I'm telling we went to we played Utah. That's

988
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: his focus and all that went to the dump I'm

989
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: talking about. Nelly is the coach. Like once we beat

990
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: that was his championship. He did not come telling you man,

991
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 2: he kicked his feet up after that. It did not matter.

992
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 3: Bro.

993
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: When we was in the elimination game, it was like, no,

994
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: that's okay. Yeah, I'm looking like okay, I'm looking like

995
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 2: damn Nellie like and I remember, man, just think about

996
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: stuff like this is the relationship I had and that's

997
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: why I hate him. So we're in the elimination game,

998
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: right and he played the ship out of me. Just

999
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: up to you exactly what he said, Bro, I swear.

1000
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 2: So were in the huddle after the shoot around or whatever,

1001
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 2: and he didn't really say nothing. So you know me

1002
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: just like I'm telling I'm like, yo, man, like like

1003
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: we could win this, you know what I'm s saying,

1004
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 2: Like we could pull this all we down for one whatever,

1005
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: like we give you know. After I got finished that,

1006
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: he was like, nobody want to hear that ship? Bro, Bro,

1007
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: I am not lying to y'all. Bro, Bro, he killed

1008
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: you all the way off on that one. Like man

1009
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,479
Speaker 2: shot the last up, Bronna, hear that ship?

1010
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 4: Me and his relationship was never the same after that.

1011
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 4: After that, I always I always wanted problems with.

1012
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 2: Him after that. He can, but he can after that, bro,

1013
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: after that, he couldn't even play with me ever, like

1014
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: he could come lock on, say six ship, I just

1015
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: turn up every time He's like, damn, I'm just playing.

1016
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, don't play with me. You serious? I'm serious

1017
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 2: to you from here on now, there's no more jokes,

1018
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 2: bro Yo. That next season was breaking in on nobody

1019
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: want to hear that ship? That's how he did me

1020
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: really was I did. I ain't gonna front.

1021
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 5: The best part about that is because we every one

1022
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 5: of us have been in that position before where somebody

1023
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 5: on some team we was on start that ship like,

1024
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 5: don't nobody want to hear from you right now?

1025
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: And he did?

1026
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: You like that?

1027
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: That's what's cod That's that's because you know you did

1028
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: all we did all playing with somebody with he.

1029
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 4: That's disrespectful because the thing about it is like we

1030
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 4: really was barely losing to them every time, you know

1031
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like Yanny, everybody.

1032
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 2: Was like in passion and and stuff. He was like,

1033
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 2: we done this? Is it?

1034
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 3: That?

1035
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: That was all y'all wanted to do? Yes, he was

1036
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 2: like yes, nobody wanna hear that ship. He was for real.

1037
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: I was sitting there like he was talking. I would

1038
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: have been watching you was.

1039
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: That man.

1040
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: Cannot say a joke to me the rest of it,

1041
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: that whole next year period and then when I got

1042
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 2: when I got traded from there, it was when I

1043
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: came to the Knicks time out.

1044
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 4: I need to say this because I don't think they

1045
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 4: know I'm on every New York Knicks fan ever.

1046
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: Y'all need to please.

1047
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 4: If y'all don't, I don't know how much you do

1048
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 4: or you don't, but I just y'all need to really

1049
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 4: love this man. This man when I promised to God,

1050
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 4: I don't think my entire time as a Nick, I

1051
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 4: don't remember no teammate wanting it for the city batter

1052
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 4: than this man. This man came in when he got traded.

1053
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 4: He was like, oh my god. He was like BROO here.

1054
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: He was like, bro, I've been waiting so like, yo,

1055
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 2: I want to be a Knick. Like he's holding this jersey.

1056
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 5: I'm looking like, bro, You've been in the league too

1057
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 5: long to be looking at a damn jersey like you

1058
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 5: just got picked something.

1059
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: No son, No, son, it's on son. Like Son.

1060
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 4: Son City is like Son Yo, Son first three games,

1061
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 4: my man couldn't buy a bucket.

1062
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: But when I tell you, he was the most positive.

1063
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 5: Optimistic, broke mom you've ever seen here, like missing coming

1064
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 5: heat here, miss like two in one possession, getna kick

1065
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 5: youll shit again.

1066
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: Come to the bench time I come, Son, It's coming.

1067
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna miss some more. I ain't gonna miss

1068
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: some more. I'm like, I know you ask better, not

1069
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: like man, I'm talking about Bro. I was like I

1070
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 2: tried to tell him.

1071
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 5: I was like, yo, I tried to tape his expectations

1072
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 5: because you know, we was doing like one of the

1073
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 5: worst stretches ever't be with so much positive y'a didn't

1074
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 5: want to see my friends be crushed like that.

1075
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 2: I was like, bron win bro. I was so optimistic.

1076
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 2: He was like, I'm gonna kill I'm they're gonna sign

1077
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: me back. I'm gonna be like this is it, this

1078
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 2: is I'm going out like I'm home, like always wanted

1079
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: to play in New York. So your Q is just

1080
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: like okay, I was like positive. He told me one time,

1081
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 2: he told me maybe two times. He told me maybe

1082
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: a third time. After that he's like, okay, okay, you

1083
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 2: will see, you will see. He came down to Orland though,

1084
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: a little bit after that. I was in Orlando.

1085
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 4: He was just like, man, bro just I was just like,

1086
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 4: things understood, don't need to be talked about. I don't

1087
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 4: want you to visit this pain.

1088
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: I was like, this all I was saying.

1089
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 3: He was right.

1090
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: He said you couldn't fix it. He's just like, this

1091
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: thing is all messed up. I'm telling me. He's like,

1092
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 2: you get it's not It's just not right.

1093
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 4: That was so bad for him though, because it was

1094
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 4: like you genuinely, I promisely could I never said nobody

1095
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 4: come there was more, and we was. We were still

1096
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 4: at the bottom of the bottom at the time, worse

1097
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 4: than the league highest.

1098
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 3: No.

1099
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: I think when I got there, he was like in

1100
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: the playoffs, he was like eight seed or something. When

1101
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: I first first got this, because z Bow member, I

1102
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: got traded for z Bo and Contino on them. So

1103
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: y'all was like, right there, that's right. We we fell

1104
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 2: and we fell out. Yeah yeah, but I'm gonna tell

1105
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: you what's crazy though, real quick. Everything he told me.

1106
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 2: I told t Mac that next season when he got traded.

1107
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: I was like this ain't right.

1108
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 5: I see.

1109
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: That's the craziest thing. One. We got enough pieces. We're

1110
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 2: gonna do this. I telling you, I'm back. I'm feeling good.

1111
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, Bro, you sitting there like this, I'm like,

1112
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 2: you feel good. I'm like, bro, Bro, bless your heart.

1113
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: You feel bless It's hard. Bless his heart.

1114
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: This guy, man, who was that person that gave you problems?

1115
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: That person was like, man, I don't really want to

1116
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: see him all this ship this long.

1117
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 3: It was just we was just with him, Bro Zebra.

1118
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: Only one Bro. Like literally, I be putting the shoes on, like,

1119
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 2: oh my god.

1120
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 3: Zebo used to box out on offense and defense.

1121
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 2: He the only dude I ever met that stays on

1122
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: your body the entire time in the game. I'm on

1123
00:52:58,280 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: the three point line, He's still on you. I'm like,

1124
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: why are you why I'm on offense, Get off me.

1125
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: That meant yo, that man. He relentless.

1126
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 3: Bro.

1127
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: Don't jump, he just relentless. He just carves out space.

1128
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 2: And he a bucket. He was a bucket. He get

1129
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 2: a bucket and he's gonna rebound. He's gonna rebound off.

1130
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: It's a wrestling match. The whole time he liked. It

1131
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I don't know if you had to

1132
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: play against Reggie Evans. So Reggie another one, right, but

1133
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 2: Reggie ain't geting no buckets. Regent had a game, but

1134
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 2: z Bo got that Reggie in him, without the wild.

1135
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 2: He's not as wild as Reggie, but he got that

1136
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: same on your body the whole time. So you're gonna

1137
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: play all night like it's no plays off. But ze

1138
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: bowl bucket and the other person was Paul pissed. Those

1139
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 2: the only two because Paul a problem. He's gonna be problems.

1140
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 2: But it's just me like I didn't like him, which

1141
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: made it even worse, right, like I hated him for no.

1142
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: I don't know why I hate him, and I like everybody.

1143
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: Some reason about.

1144
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: Fought there, like when you fought on the bench and stuff.

1145
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that you fought somebody, which one like

1146
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: he was nice like in Indiana.

1147
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: Oh when out now so any I had a couple

1148
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: of little I had a little scuffle with Juwan Howard and.

1149
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it when.

1150
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 2: Smiling I see him.

1151
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 4: I grabbed up what's his name, Pete one time he

1152
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 4: tripped me on the open court.

1153
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: With Juwan Howe and Mo Pek the people that don't

1154
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: That's what I said, just fight crazy bro.

1155
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 2: But yeah that that Christ I mean that Paul Pierce Bro.

1156
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 5: He uh.

1157
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: But his game was like he said, like he used

1158
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: to like make moves and stuff and you kind of

1159
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 2: think he off balance, but he was never off bounce shifty.

1160
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 2: He was shifty and you kind of yeah, so you

1161
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 2: kind of like back up, you think he like just

1162
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 2: gonna fall into you.

1163
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 4: He just was never trying to play him a lot

1164
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 4: this year because of what he was saying on TV.

1165
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 4: But like he had a lot of facts, like he

1166
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 4: didn't create the step back, but you if you played

1167
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 4: against him in the area he damn show made the

1168
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 4: popular damn show was out there featuring it and giving

1169
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 4: people the business and it was a problem off of it.

1170
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 4: Step back pump, fake game winner, sending people home on

1171
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 4: the regular, like.

1172
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 2: He had the side step two side and that that

1173
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 2: was really popular game.

1174
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 3: That's what the crazy thing about. We all know each

1175
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 3: other game.

1176
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 2: Everybody know.

1177
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: If I era know that like Paul Perr, especially if

1178
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: you send him up, he's gonna step back every time,

1179
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: every time if you cut him off, and then if

1180
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: you try to give him a lane to the gold

1181
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: and think you're gonna meet him there. He's gonna surprise

1182
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: funny and dang.

1183
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: You know, we had real scouting reports back then. We

1184
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: had scouting reports pages. We had like four or five pages,

1185
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 2: like you know, I done did the whole thing in

1186
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: the league. You know for it's one page, bros, just

1187
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: like a quick sleep. It's nothing compared to what we had.

1188
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: Like we knew and think about it. We would go

1189
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 2: over tendencies and shoot around, you know what I'm saying.

1190
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: So I'm like, all right, dmul so when Darius gets

1191
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 2: the ball here, he's gonna go here every time like

1192
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 2: and we played you for that. They don't do none

1193
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 2: of that now, you know what I'm saying. So, like

1194
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 2: you said, we we was forced to know each other again.

1195
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 4: What's the what's the story you always think about when

1196
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 4: you always tell me, you tell me that he's told

1197
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 4: me this story people, viewers, fellow watchers out there, He's

1198
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 4: told me this story away from you, like I don't know,

1199
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 4: like ten twenty different times.

1200
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 2: Just because, like like I said, were tight, but this

1201
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: was so long ago. Go ahead, tell them what happened

1202
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 2: one fact? So one time we came out here to

1203
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 2: play them or whatever. We might have been playing labor,

1204
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 2: whatever it was. We were a cheesecake factory in the

1205
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 2: Marina and frequented cheese. So I don't know how it

1206
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 2: came up. We were just talking about scouting reports or whatever.

1207
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 2: So it came up and he's asking, like what each

1208
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 2: team said about everybody. So I went first, of course,

1209
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: so I'm.

1210
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 4: Telling so I'm telling them like, yeah, they say you

1211
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 4: do this and the three of this, and they debowed

1212
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 4: the open court this that the third.

1213
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: I was like, what they say about me? I was

1214
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 2: like what the coach is just like, don't worry about you.

1215
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 2: Disrespected Alvin Gentry bro And I seen him. I seen

1216
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: him last summer with t Lou in the Ario Hotel.

1217
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: He came up saying, Hi, I was mad, but I'm

1218
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: still mad. I don't know what saw I know he

1219
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 2: saw you speaking. You looking at him like probably, I'm

1220
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 2: telling you, bro, you I'm telling you man, you threw

1221
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 2: me for a loop that day. I was in my mind.

1222
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 4: I had to get better yesterday. I don't know what

1223
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 4: we was talking about what. I don't even know how

1224
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 4: that came up.

1225
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 2: He brought it up. Yesterday. You gotta let it go, man, Craig,

1226
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 2: let it go.

1227
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 4: I just want to sit down with him and just

1228
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 4: asking you mean it. I know he's like to worry

1229
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 4: about you like I was, like really I was in minutes.

1230
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this from your teammates that you

1231
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: need to play within the past. If you had to

1232
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: choose two to play three on three with, who is

1233
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: the two teammates you you used to.

1234
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 2: Play with that you choose healthy. You can't say cute,

1235
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 2: I know him your favorite. You can't say I ain't

1236
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: gonna say you besides Q.

1237
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 3: Hell no, I know you ain't gonna.

1238
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,479
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna be that's what. But I ain't gonna

1239
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 2: It's my my golden state. Three son, me, Stack five

1240
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 2: and bed muhm say they ready for whatever we believe

1241
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 2: because I mean other than I would take j O

1242
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: if I wasn't the big, but I feel like I

1243
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 2: could play the big spot. You know what I'm saying.

1244
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: No matter who the big is. You know what I'm saying.

1245
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna take Stack.

1246
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: Five and be d talk about you in stack friendship, Yo,

1247
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: were brothers man brothers YEA brother got a close by.

1248
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: Everybody know Jackie fool right, I got two different personality.

1249
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 2: I'm always the one keeping them. Everybody's a year into

1250
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 2: the yang. Yeah, But I'm gonna tell you when I

1251
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 2: first met Stack bro So, like I told y'all, I

1252
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: was working out with this au guy named Sandy Pone

1253
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 2: at the y in a Union, New Jersey. Hot gym

1254
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 2: hot why whatever floor used to sweat, you'd be so

1255
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: hot in there. And one day I come in to

1256
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:21,439
Speaker 2: work out. Uh in stacks there, right, Stack walks into

1257
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 2: the gym, right, so he country till he come in

1258
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 2: to get worked out or whatever I do or whatever.

1259
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: Author and dude come in. I promise you take his

1260
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: pants off, right, you know, to put his hoop stuff on.

1261
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 2: But he had so much starch in his jeans that

1262
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 2: he took his jeans off and he stood them up

1263
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 2: and they just stood there, the pants by themselves. They

1264
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: just got the crispy starts. Oh my god, we got

1265
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 2: that good niagro you know. Boys. He left the boys

1266
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 2: standing there by themselves. But I've never seen pants stand

1267
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 2: up by himself. So that's why I knew he was country.

1268
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,439
Speaker 2: But we worked out whatever, and that's when I first

1269
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 2: met him. So then I don't see him again until

1270
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 2: I get in the league or whatever. And you know

1271
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 2: we was cool or whatever, But it all started like

1272
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 2: when we became Golden We became teammates in Indiana and

1273
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 2: went to Golden State together and like we became super

1274
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 2: tight over that season. He was my witness to marry

1275
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 2: my wife. You know what I'm saying, Like he like

1276
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 2: my homie, homie, you know my first daughter. He's the

1277
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 2: god he's the godfather, you know what I'm saying. And

1278
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: we just been ride or die ever since. You know

1279
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And tell people all the time. Blood

1280
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 2: can't make us no closer, you know what I'm saying,

1281
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 2: Like he wanted them dudes, Like how y'all are?

1282
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1283
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is like his last

1284
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 2: is your last and you and vice versa. And that's

1285
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 2: how it is with me, Like he'll never if I

1286
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 2: ain't got it, and then he got it, you know

1287
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So like that's how we roll for sure.

1288
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to stack file.

1289
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 4: He behold love brother. Before we get all the way

1290
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 4: deep into the viola, how did you get an interview

1291
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 4: with David Stern? And how did you get him talking

1292
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 4: about Mary Jane bro And.

1293
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: He said that it should be you should be legal,

1294
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 2: So you had.

1295
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 4: To almost flip the table on that. And then so

1296
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 4: listen what happened, Bro. So when I when I first

1297
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 4: got moved to LA, I hit you after that, say, bro,

1298
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 4: hold up time now, I don't know how you did that?

1299
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 4: Like that was crazy, remember, I like Hitte, like yo,

1300
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 4: what as.

1301
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 2: Soon as you saw it? So what happened was I

1302
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 2: went to this thing called the Milking Conference here in

1303
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 2: LA or whatever. So it's pretty much just like all

1304
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 2: the world's thought leaders like come and talk about all

1305
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 2: these different industries and different things like that. So I

1306
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 2: got invited because I was talking to these guys about

1307
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 2: starting a fun or whatever. So Google hein, I was

1308
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 2: talking about doing like a fun for athletes and stuff

1309
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 2: like that I talked to you about during that time.

1310
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 2: So I went there just to kind of meet people

1311
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 2: and different things like that. So David Stern was on

1312
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 2: one of the panels or whatever. So when I went,

1313
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 2: it was him, Robert Kraft, the guy from like Univision

1314
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 2: or whatever like uh, but it was pretty much all

1315
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 2: the esports, like the impact of esports compared to regular sports,

1316
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: and the guy that owned the technology company. He was

1317
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 2: saying that esports is going to be bigger than regular sports,

1318
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 2: like people are going to stop going to arenas or whatever.

1319
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: So you already know David Stern like he mad, witty

1320
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 2: and smart. So he was up there chewing this dude up,

1321
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: showing them up with all different facts and this just

1322
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: being David Stern. Right, So when he got done or whatever,

1323
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 2: I just went up to him just to say what's

1324
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 2: up or whatever. So what was impressive about him is

1325
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 2: like the first thing he asked me was how it

1326
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 2: was my knee? You know what I'm saying. And that

1327
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 2: was the one thing about him, Like his mind is crazy.

1328
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 2: He remember everything about all of us, you know what

1329
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 2: I'm saying. He's like amazing at that, you know what

1330
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: I mean. Yeah, it was crazy because he's like, how

1331
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 2: my knee And it wasn't like my knee was like

1332
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 2: my knee almost fell off during the game. I had

1333
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 2: some off the court knee and she was like but

1334
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 2: so I was just like it's all right. I was

1335
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 2: just like he's like, what are you doing now? So

1336
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm talking about thinking about starting the

1337
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 2: fun with the players and this, that and there. He's like, oh,

1338
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 2: that sounds like a great idea. I was like, I'm

1339
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 2: also in the cannabis space and he's like, oh really.

1340
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 2: So he's like, so what you're doing in the space?

1341
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I got a building and I

1342
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:03,959
Speaker 2: grow and this I saw give him the whole spell.

1343
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 2: And he was like, I live in Aspen, Colorado in

1344
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 2: the off stole during the winter sometimes. So I was

1345
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 2: like where. He was like, yeah, it's cannabis places everywhere.

1346
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, you should let me come talk

1347
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 2: to you about it sometime or whatever. I said, we

1348
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 2: should just sit down and have lunch. He was like, cool,

1349
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 2: let's do it. Gave me his number. So it took

1350
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 2: me literally like eighteen months to tie him down. Like

1351
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 2: he is one of the busiest people in the world. Right,

1352
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 2: so he had hit me and said that. He was like,

1353
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 2: I'm actually going to be in New York for the

1354
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 2: next three weeks, and I got some open time slots

1355
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 2: and the time slot was thirty minutes. I had a

1356
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 2: thirty minute time slot for me to come meet with him, right.

1357
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 2: So when I get there, you know, I tell him

1358
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 2: the viola story. I tell him about my grandmother and

1359
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 2: like how I got into the space and everything, and

1360
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 2: he was just like, wow, it sounds interesting or whatever.

1361
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 2: And then he was telling me that you know, back

1362
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 2: when he was younger, he tried hot before and it

1363
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 2: just made him he had the munchies and different things

1364
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 2: like that. So then I just started telling him. I

1365
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 2: was just like, well, you know now that I've been

1366
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 2: in this for a while, you know, I was telling

1367
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 2: him like I cooked with my knee pain and then

1368
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 2: all that through cannabis, and I start giving them facts

1369
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 2: like why players should be able to use cannabis, you

1370
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And then he gave me the story.

1371
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 2: So now think about what I'm telling now. My thirty

1372
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 2: minute meeting went almost two hours, you know what I'm saying.

1373
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 2: He had like the president or the Kings, some lady

1374
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 2: that was hid idea she was waiting or whatever, like

1375
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 2: he's so interested in it. And pretty much how I

1376
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 2: was able to flip him, you know, through it all

1377
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 2: was that I had mentioned to him. I just kind

1378
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 2: of walked him through the player's day, you know what

1379
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And you know, as we all know, like

1380
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 2: you know, we go through so many emotions getting ready

1381
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 2: for the game. We play the game, we all hyped up.

1382
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 2: Rather it's you know, good emotions, bad emotions, mad your teammate,

1383
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 2: mad at the other player you play against, like idrenaline,

1384
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 2: like after the games, like we on ten. You know

1385
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And what we all do is we

1386
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 2: have the great Goose to Hennessy. We got all that

1387
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 2: stuff waiting for us in the locker room, you know

1388
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And like that's how we cope, That's

1389
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: how we bring ourselves down, you know what I'm saying.

1390
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, we know that

1391
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 2: liquor has no benefits for your body at all, you

1392
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I just explained to him real

1393
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 2: because I was like, look, I play, and I know

1394
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 2: how players drink almost half a bottle by themselves, especially

1395
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 2: when we traveling, you know, especially when we get on

1396
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 2: the plane and all that. So I just start explaining

1397
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 2: to him about the benefits of cannabis and you know,

1398
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 2: being acting as an anti inflammatory and explaining to him

1399
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 2: about the endocannabinoid system and just like really breaking down

1400
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 2: to him that this point endocannab endocannabinoid system.

1401
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 3: That is I break it down words. Spell it.

1402
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 2: That's spelling b can you use it in the sentence.

1403
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 2: So we all got into cannabinoid systems in our body, right,

1404
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 2: So that's why when that's why when we do get

1405
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 2: drug tested, that's why there's a limit. You know what

1406
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 2: I'm saying that we all got a limit because we

1407
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 2: all got naturally have thac in our bodies. You know

1408
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, cannabis is really a plant that

1409
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 2: was really made for us physically better more than any

1410
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 2: other thing in the world that we can consume in

1411
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 2: our body. You know what I'm saying, We have a

1412
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 2: cannabinoid system in our body, which is that's what the

1413
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 2: plant is made of of, all cannabinoid systems, cannabinoids or whatever.

1414
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 2: So when I started explaining all that to him or whatever,

1415
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 2: you know, he was just understanding. And you know, I

1416
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 2: started send him some more information and stuff like that,

1417
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 2: and I was just saying to him, I was just like,

1418
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 2: just imagine in a world where your athlete, you know,

1419
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 2: and we talk about putting, you know, doing what's best

1420
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 2: for our players. Imagine after a game, we have an

1421
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 2: edible right that has you know, one hundred milligrams and

1422
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 2: of CBD and five percent THAC. You know what I'm saying,

1423
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 2: just enough to calm us down, you know what I'm saying,

1424
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: relaxes and so that we can get on the plane

1425
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 2: and get a good, nice rest, you know what I'm saying.

1426
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 2: And I asked him, I said, which player would you

1427
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 2: rather play in the game the next day? A player

1428
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 2: that drank all that liquor, you know what I'm saying, dehydrated,

1429
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, having a hangover, or a

1430
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 2: player that actually used medicine. You know what I'm saying,

1431
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 2: got a great night's rest and his body healed from

1432
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 2: within the entire night because of the CB that was

1433
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 2: in it. He was just like, damn, I would rather

1434
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 2: the ladder. I think I would rather guys you know,

1435
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 2: use cannabis and pretty much.

1436
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 4: You know.

1437
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 2: That's how I was able to flip him, man, and

1438
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 2: he was just he went on cameras. So what happened

1439
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 2: was I went met with him again. We chopped it

1440
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 2: up again, went to lunch's time. When I did the interview,

1441
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 2: It's funny like I had a list of questions, right,

1442
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 2: and you know, he's an attorney, so he's sharp. You

1443
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, So I was. I had the

1444
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 2: questions kind of leading him down the road to say

1445
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 2: something close to let the players use it. And on

1446
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 2: my second question he said it. He was just like, yeah,

1447
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 2: I think after talking to you and all the information

1448
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 2: you gave me, I think the players should be able

1449
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 2: to use cannabis and all that. And literally I looked

1450
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 2: at the producer and was like, what else you want

1451
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 2: me to talk about? But that was the purpose, you

1452
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, was to get him to acknowledge that,

1453
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:47,919
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

1454
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: But you know what, until jose Knseko book came out,

1455
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: players was using cannabis. They weren't testing as much. Right

1456
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: for taking one test to your you wanted taking four

1457
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: random tests. So jose Can Seko came out with the

1458
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: steroid thing and all leagues had to random league test

1459
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: like for you know what I'm.

1460
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 2: Saying, Well, it's crazy in it. But see think about where.

1461
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: He turned a lot of players to alcoholics. A lot

1462
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: of players was drinking heavy like they couldn't.

1463
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 2: It was a drug. I mean there was a drug.

1464
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 2: There was a drug problem in the league. Don't get

1465
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 2: it twisted like you know, before us the way before us,

1466
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 2: like in the seventies and eighties. You know what I'm saying,

1467
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 2: It was definitely a drug problem. It was a drug

1468
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 2: problem everywhere. You understand what I'm saying. It wasn't just

1469
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 2: in sports. When you think about it, with baseball, baseball,

1470
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 2: they can use recreational drugs. They don't test them for cocaine,

1471
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 2: they don't test them for cannabis, you know what I'm saying.

1472
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 2: So it brings me to believe because now that I'm

1473
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 2: woke and I understand, like the way people think in

1474
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 2: the way what's going on in the world. I feel

1475
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 2: like they test NBA players four random times and all

1476
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 2: that because they know that's our drug of choice and

1477
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: most of us are what black in the league, you

1478
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I feel like that's the

1479
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 2: reason why they put that in there, because now we

1480
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 2: don't do none of the other stuff for real. You

1481
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. It's very small pockets. But as

1482
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 2: we know, you know what I'm saying, since we played,

1483
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 2: we know that eighty ninety percent of the players dibbling

1484
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 2: dabbling in some form of cannabis use. You know what

1485
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Everybody may not smoke, They take edibles. You

1486
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Everybody realizes that using cannabis is

1487
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 2: a good time. You know what I'm saying. It's a

1488
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 2: better time than the liquor. You know what I'm saying

1489
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 2: a lot of times, Jane, that you could wake up

1490
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 2: and be all you can be the next day. You

1491
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying every single time. So I feel

1492
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 2: like that was it was kind of aimed at us,

1493
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And you know, David Stern

1494
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 2: said that the reason why he put why he made

1495
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 2: it a four tests was because current players from from

1496
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 2: the NBP now in PA what is it the Players

1497
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 2: Association was complaining to him about teammates using cannabis and

1498
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 2: stuff like that. And I promise you I don't believe that.

1499
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 2: I don't believe it going on Like I would say

1500
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 2: that some square enough to change the whole policy. I mean, okay,

1501
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 2: you got three, you got three, but you got one

1502
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 2: hundred and it's the right lane.

1503
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 3: It's the right right one, Untel the head boss.

1504
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 2: What's going on? Like the out there smoking that week?

1505
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 3: By the way, I'll always be lit right.

1506
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 4: I want you to just talk about what you're doing

1507
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,480
Speaker 4: both in both spaces though, you know, with the Harrington

1508
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 4: with the replay c b D for the record, I

1509
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 4: use it in the whole last two seasons and the

1510
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 4: Big three, the CBD cream Like, boy, man, get a

1511
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,679
Speaker 4: get a facon tusion or a calf or a spring

1512
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 4: thank or something. You don't need none of that celebrate

1513
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 4: stuff that used to be all them a time flame

1514
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 4: like that.

1515
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 2: I appreciate that, bruh, like for real, Like so, like,

1516
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 2: how did you like veer off.

1517
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 4: From just doing the cannabis to getting into the you know,

1518
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 4: the CBD, the creams and the tinctures, and how did

1519
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 4: you get into that that line?

1520
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I just feel like, you know, me being

1521
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 2: in the space and me being a voice, a voice

1522
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 2: that is being heard and speaking from the mountaintop for

1523
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 2: a lot of people that don't have a voice. I

1524
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 2: just felt that, you know, you know, you can feel

1525
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 2: whatever the way you want to feel about the thac

1526
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 2: side of it and me you don't want to be

1527
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 2: high and all that type of stuff, But at the

1528
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 2: end of the day, this's plant is so dynamic. That

1529
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: is more to it. One of my main goals and

1530
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 2: speaking out and being an advocate is to humanize this plant,

1531
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,560
Speaker 2: change the stigma. It's fine if you don't want to

1532
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 2: get high, that's okay, But this plant still do so

1533
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 2: much more. Baby and me being an athlete, I feel like, whoo,

1534
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 2: who would people trust more more than us? Being at

1535
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,719
Speaker 2: what we put our bodies through. I've had fourteen surgeries.

1536
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I walk around now like

1537
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 2: I should be broke down. I should be taking popping

1538
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 2: all kinds of pills. I take no medication, bro like,

1539
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 2: zero pills nothing. You know what I'm saying. I medicate

1540
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 2: through cannabis everything. So anytimes, even when I get sick,

1541
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 2: I smoke more. You know what I'm saying, Like, that's

1542
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 2: how much I believe in this plant that is a healer.

1543
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 2: So as far as with Harrington Wellness, you know what

1544
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 2: I wanted to do is I wanted to create a

1545
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 2: company that could be a platform for other athletes. Right

1546
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 2: so you know, every athlete doesn't have the time to

1547
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 2: go get licenses and different things like that. So what

1548
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,679
Speaker 2: I wanted Harrington's Wellness to be was to be almost

1549
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 2: a parent company for me to be able to take

1550
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 2: in my brothers and if they wanted to create brands

1551
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 2: from to bring them in house with me and spend

1552
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 2: out their brands and be able to do the distribution form,

1553
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I started the first company,

1554
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 2: Replay Replay, you know, I'll say, as a brand for athletes,

1555
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 2: created by athletes, you know what I'm saying, approved by athletes,

1556
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 2: proved by athletes now. And I felt like the first

1557
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 2: thing is that we all deal with chronic pain, you

1558
01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So that was the first thing

1559
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 2: that I wanted to go at after. And I made

1560
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 2: these creams. I made these tinctures, I made these capsules,

1561
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 2: and I also made like this little wellness shot that

1562
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 2: you could take like you before and that letter.

1563
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 4: I got the replay shot, and I got the little

1564
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 4: cream every week after the Big three, I'm I'm lubing

1565
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 4: up right the ankles, like look, I gotta, I gotta, hey,

1566
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 4: I gotta, I gotta get right with the CBD cream.

1567
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 2: And it will be two years to figure out that

1568
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 2: cream too.

1569
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 4: The first time you send it, the first time you

1570
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 4: said it even have a name, Remember it just was

1571
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 4: the clear bobble Tory. Yeah, it was like I say, yo, bro,

1572
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 4: this is this is what's happening, bro, And I believe

1573
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 4: in like high quality and having a quality product, you

1574
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.

1575
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 2: And that's why I like, you know before. That's why

1576
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 2: we're just now launching it two years after I announced it,

1577
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 2: because I wanted to make sure the product was right,

1578
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Because I want to make

1579
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 2: sure that when you try it one time, you have

1580
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 2: such a great experience, not only will you buy more,

1581
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 2: but you're gonna tell friends. I want you to become

1582
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 2: my biggest my biggest salespeople. You know what I'm saying.

1583
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 2: I think the way you create that is by, you know,

1584
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 2: by having a product that is just it works.

1585
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: At the end of Q being just that explaining to

1586
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 1: me the name you to I know you told the

1587
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 1: story about what the name.

1588
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know, when I was playing in Denver

1589
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eleven, my grandmother came to see

1590
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 2: me play at the end of the season. Miracle in

1591
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 2: itself getting her to jump on the plane to come

1592
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 2: see me. But when she got there, you know, she

1593
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 2: was taking all this medication and the athlete in me,

1594
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 2: you know, because I never seen nobody ever in my

1595
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 2: life take that many pills.

1596
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 3: Literally ever they had that Sunday through Sunday.

1597
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, big joints, thirty pills. Yeah, Like her joint was crazy, bro. Yeah,

1598
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 2: all black mothers, you know, and like Grandmother's is like

1599
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 2: I feel like everything she had is the kit that

1600
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 2: they all get.

1601
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, don't never get a pill

1602
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: about it like this right, it's probably every day you

1603
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: got to bro.

1604
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 2: So she taking all of it, and literally the athlete

1605
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 2: in me say, Grandma, are you taking so many vitamins?

1606
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, I'm like, like, what you

1607
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 2: taking it? She started telling all the stuff she was

1608
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 2: dealing with. So one of the things she said was glaucoma.

1609
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 2: So I was telling her about what I was reading

1610
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 2: the newspaper two days ago, two days before that, about

1611
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 2: you know, how cannabis cured glaucoma. It said he curity

1612
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 2: was making a claim, and I told her about it,

1613
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 2: and you know, finally she asked me, well what is cannabis?

1614
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 2: And I was like, it's marijuana weed. She's like reefa,

1615
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:27,560
Speaker 2: like like I smoking over me, Like ain't gonna help me.

1616
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,560
Speaker 2: So she shut me down. So the next day I

1617
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 2: came home and she was sitting the kid's table. I

1618
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 2: had to shoot around that morning, so I came home.

1619
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 2: She was squinting when I walked in the door, and

1620
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 2: she's like, is that you baby doll? And I was like, yo,

1621
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 2: what's up, Grandma? And she was just like, my eyes

1622
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 2: hurt so bad today I can barely see. So I said, Groanda,

1623
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 2: you take all that medication. It's still on work. She

1624
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 2: was like, it's hit a miss, it's hit a miss.

1625
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 2: I was like, well, look, why don't you try cannabis.

1626
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 2: I said it'll be O secret. I won't tell nobody.

1627
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 2: So she's like, all right, I'm in so much pain day,

1628
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 2: I'll try anything. So I called my boy. Now I'm

1629
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 2: not a smoker at this time, right, I called my boy.

1630
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:00,679
Speaker 2: He goes to get her v and no, I'm christious

1631
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 2: what they recommended. And I told my bib volcano thing,

1632
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 2: I ain't out a roll or nothing. You know what

1633
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,799
Speaker 2: I'm saying, to vape it out. So taking the garage,

1634
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 2: she hit it like three or four times or whatever.

1635
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 2: So I was like, all right, Grandma, I think that's enough.

1636
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 2: Take you downstairs. I took her downstairs. You know, I

1637
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 2: took a nap, woke up an hour and a half

1638
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,560
Speaker 2: later and before I jumped in the showers, let me

1639
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 2: go check on her. So I go downstairs, knock on

1640
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 2: the door, and of course I poked my head through

1641
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 2: the door the smirk because just not knowing, because she's

1642
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,679
Speaker 2: you know, she hit it hard four times. I'm thinking

1643
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,560
Speaker 2: she might be up there stretching anything. You know what

1644
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Literally, bro she up backwards to the door

1645
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 2: and she was looking down and knocked in and I

1646
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:36,560
Speaker 2: was like, Grandma, how you feeling. She turned around, she

1647
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 2: was crying to here and she's like, I'm healed. She's like,

1648
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 2: you know, I haven't been able to read the words

1649
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 2: of my bike went over three years. And I was

1650
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 2: like what she was like, She's like, everything is so

1651
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 2: bright and so clear. And I go in there, like

1652
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 2: she like crying, crying, and you know, she made me cry,

1653
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I'm like sitting there,

1654
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 2: I'm all emotional before a game, and uh, you know,

1655
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 2: at that moment, you know, and inspired me to learn more,

1656
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I got to the point

1657
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 2: where that next year I made my first investment. I

1658
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 2: bought a you know what, excuse me at least a

1659
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 2: twelve thousand square foot facility in Colorado, which now I

1660
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 2: own it. And uh in twenty fourteen, they changed all

1661
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 2: the regulations and you know, you pretty much had to

1662
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 2: become a licensed business at that point. And you know

1663
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 2: when we was like, well we're gonna name the company,

1664
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 2: I was like, we gotta name it after the person

1665
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 2: that got us here. And her name is Viola. So

1666
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 2: that's how we got the name. Yeah, love so named

1667
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,560
Speaker 2: it after g Moms. Who's the best player in the

1668
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 2: NBA right now, right now, Lebron James. Okay, Lebron James. Look,

1669
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 2: I feel like you got to have three all stars

1670
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 2: to beat Broun a lot of times though, because I

1671
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,560
Speaker 2: feel like he canceled two people out buy him. So,

1672
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 2: but I will say this, I think that this might

1673
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 2: be his last year dominance dominans. I think the A

1674
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 2: got to catch up to him.

1675
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 4: Nah, but this will be a key year seeing like

1676
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 4: I mean, after watching him go and get injured and

1677
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 4: played miss eighteen whatever his most mount of games, Like

1678
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 4: it'll be interesting to see if he misses and how

1679
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,839
Speaker 4: many he misses, and like if he gets injured or anything,

1680
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 4: because like you said, at some point your back nine

1681
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 4: has to start, my g you have to like get

1682
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,560
Speaker 4: a chink here or there. So it's like, is he

1683
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,560
Speaker 4: gonna how many games is he gonna miss? Is he

1684
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 4: gonna be game managed or you know, managing for the season,

1685
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,680
Speaker 4: because because at some point, like you said, it has

1686
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 4: to take its toll, and your your super hero stript has.

1687
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 2: And he takes care of his body like more more

1688
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 2: than anybody, better than anybody. I mean, he's rewritten.

1689
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 4: He's rewritten what we think a prime is and all

1690
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 4: that he didn't ran straight like cause, come on, dog

1691
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 4: a year?

1692
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:37,839
Speaker 2: What was the year? Fifteen?

1693
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 4: Sixteen, last year and everything like twenty seven and eighty eight, bro,

1694
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 4: Like it's a joke. We want to present you from

1695
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 4: our sponsors. We got this Hennessy vso P but it's

1696
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 4: very special bottle. Oh right, got the Knuckleheads edition.

1697
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 2: You smell me. Hey, they don't wanna take something. I'm

1698
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 2: proud of y'all man, y'all cold, well, y'all cold gangsters.

1699
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 2: Boy golly, I remember y'all telling me y'all want to

1700
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 2: do a little show and all that. Now y'all hottest

1701
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 2: thing in the podcast. Well that's dope, man. Congratulations y'all.

1702
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 2: And it's beautiful to see like two brothers doing something together.

1703
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 2: And I know y'all, y'all boys is brothers.

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01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, to do like, you know,

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Speaker 4: do something like viola, you know, be you know what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, comeing in and create some chaos, be disrupted.

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, man, it's our time, dog, you know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like at the end of the day, like

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Speaker 2: they always say, most millionaires make their first million and forty,

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Speaker 2: he was getting out when we was nineteen, So we

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Speaker 2: ain't got no excuses not to take this thing to

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Speaker 2: the next level.

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Speaker 4: You know what.

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Speaker 2: Real we all went pro twice though, That's what I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to say. All when you can reinvent yourself pro again,

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Speaker 2: and I feel like the impact, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have it be bigger than anything I ever

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Speaker 2: didn't who.

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Speaker 3: And for real, I feel that way too, definitely that way.

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Speaker 1: Now we're on our way all the very positive space

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Speaker 1: right now, Yes, sir, I love so. I definitely feel

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Speaker 1: like stuff like this helping each other out, using each

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Speaker 1: other platforms and pushing it and pushing the ball, were

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Speaker 1: making history of everything.

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Speaker 3: We do yep, I ain't nobody train that shit.

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Speaker 2: Nelson for that one.

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