WEBVTT - Starbucks Union 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:05.600 Hey everybody. Uh, Robert Evans here along with Garrison and Chris. Um, 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.119 we are pre empting the episode that will be airing 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:11.760 after this because UM of events that happened in Portland, 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:17.160 Oregon this weekend. On Saturday the nineteen there was a 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:21.280 weekly racial justice march UM. The march again it occurred. 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:24.319 It's occurred every week for a couple of years now. UM. 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:29.639 It is instensibly led by the mother of a Patrick Kimmins, 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.680 who is a Portland a young black Portland man who 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:35.879 was killed by the police a couple of years ago. UM. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.879 This is a regular thing. As a general rule, you'll 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:40.520 see a lot of folks in the right talking about 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:44.680 this march is like an ANTIFA gathering. UM. This almost 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.600 never gets any coverage whatsoever because as a general rule, UM, 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.960 it's it's just a march where people, you know, protest 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.880 police violence. It's not something that that tends to to 0:00:55.000 --> 0:01:00.000 draw much attention. UM, even within Portland's UM. This Saturday, 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.400 a person who lived in the neighborhood where people were 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:07.440 assembling for the march UM left their home confronted a 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:11.840 group of women who were acting as corkers. Corking is 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.600 a job at protests. It's a traffic safety thing. It's 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:19.679 people on a mix of usually bikes, motorcycle scooters every 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:21.560 now and you see like a one wheel and their 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.680 job is to kind of route traffic around the march 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.720 in order to keep people from getting hit by cars. Um. 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:33.120 It is a safety thing. UM. These folks were confronted 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:35.679 by this person. Reports on the ground that have been 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:39.080 covered in local news from people who were there say 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:43.080 that he started out yelling at them, calling them terrorists 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.360 and UM. According to one person who was on the scene, 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.840 within about ninety seconds began firing. Uh. He hit and 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:55.080 killed one woman, UM, and he wounded four others. UM. 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.920 And he himself was shot by a protester who was nearby, 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.760 who was, to all everything we know so far, legally 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:07.680 open carrying a rifle. UM. He is the shooter. UM 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:11.639 is in critical condition in the hospital. UM. One of 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:15.400 the people who was doing traffic security that night is dead. UM. 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.400 I believe at least one is still in the hospital. 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.320 The others have been released. UH. That's that's the the 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.960 actual like, that's those are the facts of the situation 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:27.040 as they're known. The protester who returned fire quickly afterwards 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.920 turned themselves and their rifle into the police. Um, you know, 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.000 the police to the stuff that they do in these instances, 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:37.480 and then released the person who had responded defensively to 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.880 the shooting. And that's where we are right now. UM. 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:44.400 Portland police have been very cag and saying anything about this. 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.040 They have framed it as a clash between a homeowner 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.120 and protesters. UM. One thing we can say, based on 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.040 where this person came out of it does not appear 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.080 that they were a homeowner. Looks like they left a 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:56.880 would have been like a rental thing. Not that that 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:59.840 particularly matters, but it's interesting the framing with the police 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:03.800 are choosing to use here. UM. And yeah, there's there's 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.360 fairly little information as of right now. The name of 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:11.320 the shooter has not been released by the police. UM. 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.320 Neither has the name of the protester who responded um 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.959 to the gunfire. But we do know, you know a 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:19.880 number of the people who were hit. We know the 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.360 person who is deceased. There is a go fund me 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.880 up right now for the people who were injured in 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:26.720 the people who were killed in the shooting. If you 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.880 go type up stand with Portland and to go fund me, 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.040 you will find the go fund me. Um, it's raised 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.160 a significant amount of money already, but obviously people are 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:42.880 going to have huge medical expenses. Yeah, there's a group 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:44.360 of two. There were two of the people who were 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:48.760 there were shot eleven times together. Um, it's a mess. 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.840 It's just a horrible, horrible situation. So you know, certainly 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.840 they could use your support. It's to cover like funeral expenses, 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.640 medical expenses, and then you know, helping with the overall 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:01.600 healing process of people are gonna miss work, people may 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:03.440 want to quit their jobs and stuff in the wake 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.800 of something like this because how could you go in 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:11.720 and do pretty much anything after this, you know, Um, yeah, yeah, 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:16.040 so please please please go set them help, Yeah, send 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:21.200 them help. Avoid kind of spreading anything more specific than 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.040 that until there's there's evidence. There's not yet video of this, 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:25.840 although one of the people who was there says they 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.000 have a go pro that was taken by the police 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.440 that may have something. I don't know the extent to 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.760 which we will get that information. Again, the police have 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:39.040 been acting to uh kind of make this look like 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.680 a clash rather than what the evidence that Like reporters 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.479 at OPB in the Portlands, Mercury and even the Times 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:49.040 have have found the interviews they've conducted. Um, it seems 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:53.000 fair to say that this was a mass shooting, UM 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:56.080 that was stopped by a protester, as opposed to what 0:04:56.160 --> 0:05:00.440 I would call a clash. Ya. But that's that's obvious. 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.720 Portland police aren't going to want that narrative to come 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.800 out very telling. Lee. The mayor of Portland, Ted Wheeler, 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.320 issued a statement where he talked about the shooting as 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.520 a piece of the city's ongoing gun crime, did not 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:13.840 mention the woman who was killed, did not mention the injured, 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.800 but expressed his sympathy with the police for being so tired. Um. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:22.440 So you know that's Portland's. Yeah, I mean it's pretty 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:26.560 sick and like you shouldn't like it's not like it's 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.080 not like dismissing it by saying it's Portland's saying like 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.480 this is like, no, there's there's been growing rather right 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:33.839 from the city and people the past few years that 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:37.880 have basically been encouraging something like this to happen. Um, 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.080 And now that it has, it is also pretty sick 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.560 looking at different like media framing and police framing and 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.240 talking about it's a homeowner and how it was like, yeah, 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.480 it was like a clash, not like an outright attack 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:52.760 on people. Um. Yeah, so it's it's it's bad, it's 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.480 it's pretty gross. But what we can do right now 0:05:55.600 --> 0:06:00.360 is support the people who were there. Yeah, go fund 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:04.480 me for medical expences and you know, mental health effects 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.440 in the Yeah, because just a bit, some of the 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:11.240 wounded were themselves plugging up the bullet holes of other 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.760 wounded while they had also been shot. Because it was 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:15.800 a lot of the people doubled as medics or had 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.120 some sort of medical training. Um, there were medics who 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.840 were like threatened by police when they arrived on scene 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:25.760 for not being willing to stop providing um pressure to 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.400 a gunshot wound. Like a bunch of ugly stuff happened. 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.000 There's a mix of ugly stuff and like stuff that 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.840 seems ugly but it's pretty normal. Like the ambulance did 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.520 not move in immediately, which obviously people on scene were 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:40.520 very angry about. That is standard everywhere for like ambulances 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.160 at active shootings, and it's just I mean, it's not pleasant, 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:46.600 but it's also like they're not ever acting from as 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.120 much information as the people who were there maybe have. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.440 I'm not I'm not gonna blame you know e M 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.120 T S or whatnot for following s OP in this situation. 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:57.320 I will blame the police for their responses to stuff 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.680 like this, obviously, and the fact that, um, you know it, 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:05.479 it's it's unlikely that a satisfying police investigation will be conducted. 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.200 That said, it does seem like we already based on 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.680 the early reporting that exists from again a number of 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:14.760 different news organizations, number of different local journalists, that we 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:18.960 have a pretty good idea of the basics of what happened. UM. Obviously, 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:23.239 more will come out in addition to you know nothing 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:27.440 but respect to the medics who responded. UM. I think 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:31.600 it's worth acknowledging that the protester who shot the shooter 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.840 UM seems to have from the evidence we have handled 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:39.000 themselves as close to perfectly as you can in a 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:46.040 defensive shooting. UM. They stopped the threat, UM, they went 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.560 to the police, they turned in the rifle. They did not. 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:50.640 And there's a number of reasons for this, including the 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.400 fact that, like the last time there was a shooting 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.560 that was involved a left wing demonstrator, that person was 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:00.240 hunted down and killed by U. S. Marshals. UM. But 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.240 it also, I think helps when it comes to the 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.200 legal stuff that's going to wash out on this the investigation. 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:10.640 It really helps that this person dotted their eyes and 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:12.840 crossed their ties to make it very clear that this 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:18.640 was a um A very like legal self defense situation. Obviously, 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:20.800 I think a lot of the folks who participate in 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:22.840 these things don't particularly care about the law one way 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.680 or the other. But in terms of how other people 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.320 see what has happened and what the fallout to this is, 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:35.320 and maybe the degree to which people properly put some 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.160 blame on the city for this, I think it is 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.680 helpful that the person who responded UM with their rifle 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.280 to the shooting conducted themselves so carefully. So, I mean, 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.880 I have I have a lot of respect for everybody 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:48.800 on the ground. A lot of hard decisions had to 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:53.280 be made UM, and it seems like in a the 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.240 worst case scenario situation, the people who were on the 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:00.640 ground handled themselves UM with a tremendous amount of thoughtfulness 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:05.079 and encourage. I think that's everything. Yeah, I don't think 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.000 there's not nothing much else to say at this moment 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.280 right now, Too safe, be careful, and again to go 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.080 fund me, just type type go fund me stand with 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.040 Portland into Google. It will take you to the go 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:24.880 fund me um and you can help folks out there. Hello, 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:30.000 welcome to it could happen here. I'm Garrison, and today 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:33.440 we're talking about two of my favorite things, which is 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:38.840 unions and coffee. UM. Joining me as a usual is 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:43.040 Chris and Sophie. What do you guys think about about 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:48.160 coffee and unions and the combination thereof big on unions 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.400 like that, like like making them, like having them not 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:56.400 big on coffee. It's it's too bitter. I can't do it. Unbelievable. 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:01.640 Union's great coffee, great, Cris ad Chris gets the wall. 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:08.360 It's the ultimate canceling that we are coming down all 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:12.320 the coffee issue. I don't ever tell prop that. Don't 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:16.120 ever talk prop. You don't like coffee. Um, and anyway 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:21.520 to join us to discuss coffee and unions is a 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:26.839 union organizer and uh also someone with a podcast, so 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:32.480 that's fun. Uh. But Kayleie Schuler, Hello, Hello, thank you 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.200 so much for having me. You know what they say 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:39.959 about unioniced coffee, that's better, it tastes better. That's yeah, 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:41.560 that is that is That is what I have heard 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:45.040 much better quality. That is true. Maybe that's the problem 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:51.280 that Chris has been having. Yess here, Yeah, that's the 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.439 that's the thing that's a Chris jumped to jump to conclusions. 0:10:54.520 --> 0:11:00.680 But you failed. You failed to consider the coffee question. Um. Anyway, 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:05.199 we're gonna be talking about unions and coffee and Starbucks 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.760 today because there's been a massive wave of Starbucks uh 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:13.120 location unionizations around the country, and I like to start 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.920 by kind of discussing the origin of this like wave 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:24.440 of unionization efforts all across the states. Yeah. So, um, 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:28.679 you know, I'll just stay right off the bat like, um, legalities, logistics, 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.120 the nitty gritty is still not my forte and all 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.400 of this. Um, So I might not do the best 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.320 job explaining it, but I'm going to do my best, um, 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:41.520 and to get into the origin story of the whole movement. 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:43.599 I'm just going to get into my origin story a 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:47.480 little bit um with this effort. So um. I started 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:51.959 working at Starbucks last year, and uh, not long after, 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.640 I was approached by uh my fellow partner, my friend 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.160 Tyler Deger, and he's also one of our committee members here, 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.719 and he was like, hey, did you hear about what 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:05.360 has happened in Buffalo, and as you guys probably know, 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:10.520 Buffalo was the first to unionize UM, and so he 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:12.920 was really excited about it. I was like, yeah, sounds cool. 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.880 Probably not my thing though, UM, and he was like, no, 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.400 it's it is, like, just let's talk about it. I 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.760 was like, all right, fine, we talked about it. I 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.120 was like, oh, this makes so much sense, we should 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.520 definitely do this. So UM, as far as I know, 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.320 this uh started in Buffalo. They reached out to Workers 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.600 United because they knew that this was something they needed 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:38.839 and wanted. UM. And then when they successfully unionized, I mean, 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:43.680 it just sparked so much inspiration across the country and 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:49.920 we hopped on really quick. UM. Other locations in Boston 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:54.240 also hopped on not long after, and uh yeah, it 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:58.920 kind of spread like wildfire. Yeah, it's been wonderful to 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:04.079 watch the of wave of of of attempts and in 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.600 some cases, like in a lot of cases of like 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.920 successful attempts just kind of take you know, just go 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:14.440 all like it's how fast they've been happening in so 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:18.839 many different places around around the country. UM. I'd like 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.200 to talk I like to talk about like why the 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:25.920 Starbucks unionization kind of effort is so important? Like why 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.360 why this is? Like, of course, like unions are obviously 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:33.600 like generally a net good, but like why specifically is 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:37.240 it's is it important to unionize these Starbucks locations? Like 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.920 what types of like um issues is the unization trying 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.679 to kind of solve and give you know, workers better 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:49.280 conditions at these at these stores and cafes. So this 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.120 great question. And first I want to start by saying 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:56.360 Starbucks is a great place to work. I say that 0:13:56.440 --> 0:14:00.280 all the time I read the benefits. There are benefits, 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:05.000 good ones. They pay minimum wage or whatever, Like the 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:09.640 pay is decent, we have benefits. It's really a lot 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:11.880 of people who work at our Starbucks say it's one 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:15.320 of the better jobs they've had, and we deserve a 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:19.600 union for It's I mean really, in my brain, it's 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:23.080 kind of akin to insurance. Right, you have it in 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.360 case you need it. If an emergency happens, you don't 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.120 have to pay the whole um e er bill out 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:33.240 of pocket. You've got some coverage coming from somewhere. Right, That, 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:38.320 at least in my mind, is what this union is for. Um. 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:41.480 That being said, we also just want to obviously democratize 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.800 our workplace. We want to have a spot at the 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.400 bargaining table because we you know, we have HR, we 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:53.080 have people to go to. But unions are partners looking 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.680 out for partners, and that's it. Starbucks looks out for 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:02.040 partners and profit. You know, it's a business, it's a 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:06.320 huge business. UM. So this would just give us UM 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:10.160 a stronger sense of empowerment. And uh again, I really 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.360 think of it kind of like insurance. It's just us 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:17.840 making sure we're taken care of at all times. Yeah, 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.920 what what type of kind of you know, whenever the 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.680 discussion of union's kind of starts at workplaces, there's always 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:27.000 like an element of like secrecy and you know, being 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.680 worried about you know, different types of suppression. So what 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:33.400 types of kind of things have people been doing when 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:35.400 the when the union is like trying to get is 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:37.880 trying to get trying to get off the ground to organize, 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.680 Like like are people using like signal chats? Like what 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:44.880 what is what is like in this in these stores? 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.600 How is how are we trying to get more people 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.400 to like be comfortable with this idea and get like 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:56.720 get started with the organizing process. That's a really good question. 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:00.320 And we're still doing that work all the time. That 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:06.520 work doesn't really end, especially because um, it's commonly known 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.040 now so I don't feel scared to say it. But 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.920 there are being there is union busting happening. It's happening 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:16.800 all the time. UM, and it's scary and it's intimidating, 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:21.600 and it's meant to be and it's effective, you know. So, Um, 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:25.360 we have a majority yes vote in my store. I 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:29.400 already know that. But it also takes upkeep. It takes maintenance. Um. 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.080 It takes checking in with people and you know, for 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.440 my money, checking in and saying, hey, how are you 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:36.720 feeling about this? Are you doing okay? Like I know 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.320 that this is scary. I know that you're hearing things 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.480 like do you have any questions? Um. It takes us 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:47.800 doing our due diligence and researching the things that they're saying. Um. 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:51.200 And yeah, I mean it's it's kind of a constant 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:53.640 thing as far as like technically how it's done. I 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:57.600 mean lots of group chats, just like, way too many 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:02.080 group chats. That that is been most of my experience 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.960 with most most political organizing. A general is just way 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.720 way too many group chats. Yeah, in terms of like 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:14.520 what Starbucks is doing to start there like union busting response? 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.600 Is this website that they have launched. Yeah, I I 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.840 know you've I know you've tweeted about this, uh about 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.160 this site, So I would love to love to discuss it. Yeah, 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.600 I mean I just went off. I didn't really think 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:29.679 much of it, you know, I just I saw it 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:33.760 on there and just was like, this is lies. Um. 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:39.240 I mean, well, for one, I'm trying to remember everything 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.760 I've read and tweeted. But the one that's coming to 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:46.280 mind is when they say this may affect your relationship 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:50.480 with your store manager and it may make it difficult 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:56.320 for to me, that is that may depends entirely on 0:17:56.359 --> 0:18:00.600 how much um, union bustings are about wants to do. 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:04.800 If you want to tell our store managers that this 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.520 will negatively impact our relationship with them, if that's how 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:11.919 you want to frame it, then yeah, I probably will. Um. 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.919 If you if you want to make it more difficult 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:21.400 by not negotiating the contract easily with us, um, yeah, 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:25.800 then that might happen. It's not that's not a union problem. 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.840 That's a Starbucks problem that they are framing as a 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:33.440 union problem. Um. Yeah, I can't what were the other 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:39.080 things that I id just like to also explain, like 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.280 what the site is and what it's like trying to do. 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:47.400 Oh sure, yeah, I mean it's it's um, it's union investing. 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:52.119 It's uh, it's giving it's giving partners the facts that 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.960 they need to know, you know, like it's it's we 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.920 want to make sure that you are informed before you vote. Know, Um, 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:03.280 that's what that is. It's this like sleekily designed page 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:08.240 that has the list of facts about about organizing and 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:12.000 all the reasons why it's going to negatively represent, negatively 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:16.439 affect your relationship with the Starbucks Corporation. Oh, this was 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:20.159 one of the points said, Um, the union may not 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.320 negotiate for some things you are hoping for, and some 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:27.040 things you value now might go away. That is so ridiculous. 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:31.480 That's a threat. Yeah, that's a threat that your well 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:35.199 being will be changed, Like we might not negotiate this 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:39.480 contract very nicely with you. That the union is us. 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.680 They love to talk about the third party and oh, 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:44.560 your your store manager is gonna have to work with 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.320 a steward. The steward is going to be someone who 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:51.600 already works in the store. Yes, the steward is us. 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:56.080 The union is us. Why would we negotiate a contract 0:19:56.080 --> 0:20:01.640 that doesn't benefit us. That's so silly, It's it's it's 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:05.120 it's very typical union busting kind of behavior. And if 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:08.000 you know, if they can just if this type of 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.120 propagandic you know, can just convince a few people and 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:13.560 and and scare and scare only only a couple of 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.280 the people, that will be enough to kind of cause 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.800 division and shutdown efforts in the store. Right, So that's 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:20.919 that's that's all that their goal is is to prevent 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:23.800 you know, at least one more store from not doing it. 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.040 That's like, as long as they do that, then it's 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:29.480 then then then it's like successful. Um. Absolutely, And you know, 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.480 based on how many people work at an individual, individual store, 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.520 that's not entirely unlikely, right is it? Will? You know 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:40.439 it will? Like you you, union busting efforts do work 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:42.960 in a lot of cases, and that's why they still 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:47.880 do them. Like that's absolutely absolutely yeah, And that's why 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:51.800 it's it's really important for um, you know, if there 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:55.520 are any partners listening to this, um. And partners, by 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:58.960 the way, is what you know we call ourselves at Starbucks. Yes, 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:06.720 the the social aspect of this within your store. The 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:09.760 checking in with your partners and seeing how they're feeling 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:13.160 about it and having UM as many face to face 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.119 conversations as you can have and really really sticking by 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.560 each other is really important because Yeah, like I said, 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:26.360 these UM tactics are tried and true, they're effective, they're intimidating, UM, 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.760 and so you have to really supporting each other through 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.639 that and keep reminding each other like, no, there's a 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:35.040 reason we're doing this this, this is actually still a 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:38.840 good thing, you know, because on top of our jobs, 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:41.399 and then a lot of partners are in school or 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:44.480 they have families, like we already have a lot going on, 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:47.280 and then we have to go into work and be 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:52.680 reminded that our desire for a union is not valuable 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:57.640 to Starbucks, and so they're gonna make things harder by 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:01.320 doing all the things they're doing. Um. You have to 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:05.160 really really be there for each other through this process. Yeah, 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:08.400 I mean, that's, you know, solidarity one of the key 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:10.760 of the key tenants of this type of you know, 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:23.600 the type of organizing. Absolutely. I know Chris is a 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:27.600 pretty big union appreciator. I mean, I I like unions, 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:33.439 but but Chris, Chris really really really really enjoy. So 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:37.120 I'm wondering if you if you have anything, he likes 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:40.720 them so much, he'll he'll even like unionized coffee. He'll 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:45.800 be like this coffee still, it will it will good work, Chris. 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:48.520 Some of the some of the there's some storts in 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:51.440 Chicago that are unionizing, and I'm like, hmm, maybe maybe 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:53.560 you should check them out. Yeah, you should at least 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:56.840 at least check about and say like hi, it'd be like, yeah, great, 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:00.639 what's a great thing to do. Um, definitely go to 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:03.879 those stores, go up to the counter and offer you 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:06.720 or um order your coffee, and then ask them to 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:12.880 write like unions strong or we love unions as your name. Um, 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:15.399 because when the barisas are making the coffee and they 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.639 still like see that sticker come through, it's we really 0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:24.520 love that, Chris. They have great tea there too, ice cream, Yeah, 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:29.119 the honey tea, it's really good. Or the chie likes 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:35.080 saying information though about like yeah we have there's finally 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:37.840 a store that's like somewhat near Los Angeles where I 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:42.240 am that that is announced they're unionizing, which is exciting, Like, okay, California, 0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:45.440 way to join the party. Late but you know, it's 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:50.640 it's cool, go ahead. Yeah. One thing I'm interested in 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:55.800 is how how big is the shop, Like how many 0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:59.840 people are sort of like, well, I'm not not in 0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:02.840 the like, just how many people there like could potentially 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:07.399 join the union. I mean, anyone could. I think we 0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:11.359 have about twenty. I could be so wrong, but I 0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:15.679 think we have around twenty partners in our store right now. Um, 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:20.200 and yeah, any well, yeah, just about anybody could join that. 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:24.480 Not anyone who's salaried. Yeah, okay, but I mean that 0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:27.600 seems that seems pretty common across all the different stores. 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:31.240 Is around that it's around like twenty union eligible people 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:34.640 per location. Seems roughly accurate based on the stuff I've 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:38.040