1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Hey everybody. Uh, Robert Evans here along with Garrison and Chris. Um, 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: we are pre empting the episode that will be airing 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: after this because UM of events that happened in Portland, 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: Oregon this weekend. On Saturday the nineteen there was a 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: weekly racial justice march UM. The march again it occurred. 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 1: It's occurred every week for a couple of years now. UM. 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: It is instensibly led by the mother of a Patrick Kimmins, 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: who is a Portland a young black Portland man who 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: was killed by the police a couple of years ago. UM. 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: This is a regular thing. As a general rule, you'll 11 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: see a lot of folks in the right talking about 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: this march is like an ANTIFA gathering. UM. This almost 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: never gets any coverage whatsoever because as a general rule, UM, 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: it's it's just a march where people, you know, protest 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: police violence. It's not something that that tends to to 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: draw much attention. UM, even within Portland's UM. This Saturday, 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: a person who lived in the neighborhood where people were 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: assembling for the march UM left their home confronted a 19 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: group of women who were acting as corkers. Corking is 20 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: a job at protests. It's a traffic safety thing. It's 21 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: people on a mix of usually bikes, motorcycle scooters every 22 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: now and you see like a one wheel and their 23 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: job is to kind of route traffic around the march 24 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: in order to keep people from getting hit by cars. Um. 25 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: It is a safety thing. UM. These folks were confronted 26 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: by this person. Reports on the ground that have been 27 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: covered in local news from people who were there say 28 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: that he started out yelling at them, calling them terrorists 29 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: and UM. According to one person who was on the scene, 30 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: within about ninety seconds began firing. Uh. He hit and 31 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: killed one woman, UM, and he wounded four others. UM. 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: And he himself was shot by a protester who was nearby, 33 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: who was, to all everything we know so far, legally 34 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: open carrying a rifle. UM. He is the shooter. UM 35 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: is in critical condition in the hospital. UM. One of 36 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: the people who was doing traffic security that night is dead. UM. 37 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: I believe at least one is still in the hospital. 38 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: The others have been released. UH. That's that's the the 39 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: actual like, that's those are the facts of the situation 40 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: as they're known. The protester who returned fire quickly afterwards 41 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: turned themselves and their rifle into the police. Um, you know, 42 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: the police to the stuff that they do in these instances, 43 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: and then released the person who had responded defensively to 44 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: the shooting. And that's where we are right now. UM. 45 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: Portland police have been very cag and saying anything about this. 46 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: They have framed it as a clash between a homeowner 47 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: and protesters. UM. One thing we can say, based on 48 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: where this person came out of it does not appear 49 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: that they were a homeowner. Looks like they left a 50 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: would have been like a rental thing. Not that that 51 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: particularly matters, but it's interesting the framing with the police 52 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: are choosing to use here. UM. And yeah, there's there's 53 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: fairly little information as of right now. The name of 54 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: the shooter has not been released by the police. UM. 55 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: Neither has the name of the protester who responded um 56 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: to the gunfire. But we do know, you know a 57 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: number of the people who were hit. We know the 58 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: person who is deceased. There is a go fund me 59 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: up right now for the people who were injured in 60 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: the people who were killed in the shooting. If you 61 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: go type up stand with Portland and to go fund me, 62 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: you will find the go fund me. Um, it's raised 63 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: a significant amount of money already, but obviously people are 64 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: going to have huge medical expenses. Yeah, there's a group 65 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: of two. There were two of the people who were 66 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: there were shot eleven times together. Um, it's a mess. 67 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: It's just a horrible, horrible situation. So you know, certainly 68 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: they could use your support. It's to cover like funeral expenses, 69 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: medical expenses, and then you know, helping with the overall 70 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: healing process of people are gonna miss work, people may 71 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: want to quit their jobs and stuff in the wake 72 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: of something like this because how could you go in 73 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: and do pretty much anything after this, you know, Um, yeah, yeah, 74 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: so please please please go set them help, Yeah, send 75 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: them help. Avoid kind of spreading anything more specific than 76 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: that until there's there's evidence. There's not yet video of this, 77 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: although one of the people who was there says they 78 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: have a go pro that was taken by the police 79 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: that may have something. I don't know the extent to 80 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: which we will get that information. Again, the police have 81 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: been acting to uh kind of make this look like 82 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: a clash rather than what the evidence that Like reporters 83 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: at OPB in the Portlands, Mercury and even the Times 84 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: have have found the interviews they've conducted. Um, it seems 85 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: fair to say that this was a mass shooting, UM 86 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: that was stopped by a protester, as opposed to what 87 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: I would call a clash. Ya. But that's that's obvious. 88 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: Portland police aren't going to want that narrative to come 89 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: out very telling. Lee. The mayor of Portland, Ted Wheeler, 90 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: issued a statement where he talked about the shooting as 91 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: a piece of the city's ongoing gun crime, did not 92 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: mention the woman who was killed, did not mention the injured, 93 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: but expressed his sympathy with the police for being so tired. Um. 94 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: So you know that's Portland's. Yeah, I mean it's pretty 95 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: sick and like you shouldn't like it's not like it's 96 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: not like dismissing it by saying it's Portland's saying like 97 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: this is like, no, there's there's been growing rather right 98 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: from the city and people the past few years that 99 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: have basically been encouraging something like this to happen. Um, 100 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: And now that it has, it is also pretty sick 101 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: looking at different like media framing and police framing and 102 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: talking about it's a homeowner and how it was like, yeah, 103 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: it was like a clash, not like an outright attack 104 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: on people. Um. Yeah, so it's it's it's bad, it's 105 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: it's pretty gross. But what we can do right now 106 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: is support the people who were there. Yeah, go fund 107 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: me for medical expences and you know, mental health effects 108 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: in the Yeah, because just a bit, some of the 109 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: wounded were themselves plugging up the bullet holes of other 110 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: wounded while they had also been shot. Because it was 111 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: a lot of the people doubled as medics or had 112 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: some sort of medical training. Um, there were medics who 113 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: were like threatened by police when they arrived on scene 114 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: for not being willing to stop providing um pressure to 115 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: a gunshot wound. Like a bunch of ugly stuff happened. 116 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: There's a mix of ugly stuff and like stuff that 117 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: seems ugly but it's pretty normal. Like the ambulance did 118 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: not move in immediately, which obviously people on scene were 119 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: very angry about. That is standard everywhere for like ambulances 120 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: at active shootings, and it's just I mean, it's not pleasant, 121 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: but it's also like they're not ever acting from as 122 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: much information as the people who were there maybe have. 123 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna blame you know e M 124 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: T S or whatnot for following s OP in this situation. 125 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: I will blame the police for their responses to stuff 126 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: like this, obviously, and the fact that, um, you know it, 127 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: it's it's unlikely that a satisfying police investigation will be conducted. 128 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: That said, it does seem like we already based on 129 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: the early reporting that exists from again a number of 130 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: different news organizations, number of different local journalists, that we 131 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: have a pretty good idea of the basics of what happened. UM. Obviously, 132 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,239 Speaker 1: more will come out in addition to you know nothing 133 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: but respect to the medics who responded. UM. I think 134 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: it's worth acknowledging that the protester who shot the shooter 135 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: UM seems to have from the evidence we have handled 136 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: themselves as close to perfectly as you can in a 137 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: defensive shooting. UM. They stopped the threat, UM, they went 138 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: to the police, they turned in the rifle. They did not. 139 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: And there's a number of reasons for this, including the 140 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: fact that, like the last time there was a shooting 141 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: that was involved a left wing demonstrator, that person was 142 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: hunted down and killed by U. S. Marshals. UM. But 143 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: it also, I think helps when it comes to the 144 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: legal stuff that's going to wash out on this the investigation. 145 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: It really helps that this person dotted their eyes and 146 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: crossed their ties to make it very clear that this 147 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: was a um A very like legal self defense situation. Obviously, 148 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: I think a lot of the folks who participate in 149 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: these things don't particularly care about the law one way 150 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: or the other. But in terms of how other people 151 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: see what has happened and what the fallout to this is, 152 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: and maybe the degree to which people properly put some 153 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: blame on the city for this, I think it is 154 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: helpful that the person who responded UM with their rifle 155 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: to the shooting conducted themselves so carefully. So, I mean, 156 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: I have I have a lot of respect for everybody 157 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: on the ground. A lot of hard decisions had to 158 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: be made UM, and it seems like in a the 159 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: worst case scenario situation, the people who were on the 160 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: ground handled themselves UM with a tremendous amount of thoughtfulness 161 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: and encourage. I think that's everything. Yeah, I don't think 162 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: there's not nothing much else to say at this moment 163 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: right now, Too safe, be careful, and again to go 164 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: fund me, just type type go fund me stand with 165 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: Portland into Google. It will take you to the go 166 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: fund me um and you can help folks out there. Hello, 167 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: welcome to it could happen here. I'm Garrison, and today 168 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: we're talking about two of my favorite things, which is 169 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: unions and coffee. UM. Joining me as a usual is 170 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: Chris and Sophie. What do you guys think about about 171 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: coffee and unions and the combination thereof big on unions 172 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: like that, like like making them, like having them not 173 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: big on coffee. It's it's too bitter. I can't do it. Unbelievable. 174 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: Union's great coffee, great, Cris ad Chris gets the wall. 175 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: It's the ultimate canceling that we are coming down all 176 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: the coffee issue. I don't ever tell prop that. Don't 177 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: ever talk prop. You don't like coffee. Um, and anyway 178 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: to join us to discuss coffee and unions is a 179 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: union organizer and uh also someone with a podcast, so 180 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: that's fun. Uh. But Kayleie Schuler, Hello, Hello, thank you 181 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: so much for having me. You know what they say 182 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: about unioniced coffee, that's better, it tastes better. That's yeah, 183 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: that is that is That is what I have heard 184 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: much better quality. That is true. Maybe that's the problem 185 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: that Chris has been having. Yess here, Yeah, that's the 186 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: that's the thing that's a Chris jumped to jump to conclusions. 187 00:10:54,520 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: But you failed. You failed to consider the coffee question. Um. Anyway, 188 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about unions and coffee and Starbucks 189 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: today because there's been a massive wave of Starbucks uh 190 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: location unionizations around the country, and I like to start 191 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: by kind of discussing the origin of this like wave 192 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: of unionization efforts all across the states. Yeah. So, um, 193 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: you know, I'll just stay right off the bat like, um, legalities, logistics, 194 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: the nitty gritty is still not my forte and all 195 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: of this. Um, So I might not do the best 196 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: job explaining it, but I'm going to do my best, um, 197 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: and to get into the origin story of the whole movement. 198 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 1: I'm just going to get into my origin story a 199 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: little bit um with this effort. So um. I started 200 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: working at Starbucks last year, and uh, not long after, 201 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: I was approached by uh my fellow partner, my friend 202 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: Tyler Deger, and he's also one of our committee members here, 203 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 1: and he was like, hey, did you hear about what 204 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: has happened in Buffalo, and as you guys probably know, 205 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: Buffalo was the first to unionize UM, and so he 206 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: was really excited about it. I was like, yeah, sounds cool. 207 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: Probably not my thing though, UM, and he was like, no, 208 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: it's it is, like, just let's talk about it. I 209 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: was like, all right, fine, we talked about it. I 210 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: was like, oh, this makes so much sense, we should 211 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: definitely do this. So UM, as far as I know, 212 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: this uh started in Buffalo. They reached out to Workers 213 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: United because they knew that this was something they needed 214 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 1: and wanted. UM. And then when they successfully unionized, I mean, 215 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: it just sparked so much inspiration across the country and 216 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: we hopped on really quick. UM. Other locations in Boston 217 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: also hopped on not long after, and uh yeah, it 218 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: kind of spread like wildfire. Yeah, it's been wonderful to 219 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: watch the of wave of of of attempts and in 220 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: some cases, like in a lot of cases of like 221 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: successful attempts just kind of take you know, just go 222 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: all like it's how fast they've been happening in so 223 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: many different places around around the country. UM. I'd like 224 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: to talk I like to talk about like why the 225 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: Starbucks unionization kind of effort is so important? Like why 226 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: why this is? Like, of course, like unions are obviously 227 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: like generally a net good, but like why specifically is 228 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: it's is it important to unionize these Starbucks locations? Like 229 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: what types of like um issues is the unization trying 230 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: to kind of solve and give you know, workers better 231 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: conditions at these at these stores and cafes. So this 232 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: great question. And first I want to start by saying 233 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: Starbucks is a great place to work. I say that 234 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: all the time I read the benefits. There are benefits, 235 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: good ones. They pay minimum wage or whatever, Like the 236 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: pay is decent, we have benefits. It's really a lot 237 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: of people who work at our Starbucks say it's one 238 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: of the better jobs they've had, and we deserve a 239 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: union for It's I mean really, in my brain, it's 240 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: kind of akin to insurance. Right, you have it in 241 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: case you need it. If an emergency happens, you don't 242 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: have to pay the whole um e er bill out 243 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: of pocket. You've got some coverage coming from somewhere. Right, That, 244 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: at least in my mind, is what this union is for. Um. 245 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: That being said, we also just want to obviously democratize 246 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: our workplace. We want to have a spot at the 247 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: bargaining table because we you know, we have HR, we 248 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: have people to go to. But unions are partners looking 249 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: out for partners, and that's it. Starbucks looks out for 250 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: partners and profit. You know, it's a business, it's a 251 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: huge business. UM. So this would just give us UM 252 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: a stronger sense of empowerment. And uh again, I really 253 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: think of it kind of like insurance. It's just us 254 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: making sure we're taken care of at all times. Yeah, 255 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: what what type of kind of you know, whenever the 256 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: discussion of union's kind of starts at workplaces, there's always 257 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: like an element of like secrecy and you know, being 258 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: worried about you know, different types of suppression. So what 259 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: types of kind of things have people been doing when 260 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: the when the union is like trying to get is 261 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: trying to get trying to get off the ground to organize, 262 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: Like like are people using like signal chats? Like what 263 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: what is what is like in this in these stores? 264 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: How is how are we trying to get more people 265 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: to like be comfortable with this idea and get like 266 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: get started with the organizing process. That's a really good question. 267 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: And we're still doing that work all the time. That 268 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: work doesn't really end, especially because um, it's commonly known 269 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: now so I don't feel scared to say it. But 270 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: there are being there is union busting happening. It's happening 271 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: all the time. UM, and it's scary and it's intimidating, 272 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: and it's meant to be and it's effective, you know. So, Um, 273 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: we have a majority yes vote in my store. I 274 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: already know that. But it also takes upkeep. It takes maintenance. Um. 275 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: It takes checking in with people and you know, for 276 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: my money, checking in and saying, hey, how are you 277 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: feeling about this? Are you doing okay? Like I know 278 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: that this is scary. I know that you're hearing things 279 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: like do you have any questions? Um. It takes us 280 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: doing our due diligence and researching the things that they're saying. Um. 281 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean it's it's kind of a constant 282 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: thing as far as like technically how it's done. I 283 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: mean lots of group chats, just like, way too many 284 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: group chats. That that is been most of my experience 285 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: with most most political organizing. A general is just way 286 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: way too many group chats. Yeah, in terms of like 287 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: what Starbucks is doing to start there like union busting response? 288 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: Is this website that they have launched. Yeah, I I 289 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: know you've I know you've tweeted about this, uh about 290 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: this site, So I would love to love to discuss it. Yeah, 291 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: I mean I just went off. I didn't really think 292 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: much of it, you know, I just I saw it 293 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: on there and just was like, this is lies. Um. 294 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: I mean, well, for one, I'm trying to remember everything 295 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: I've read and tweeted. But the one that's coming to 296 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: mind is when they say this may affect your relationship 297 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: with your store manager and it may make it difficult 298 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: for to me, that is that may depends entirely on 299 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: how much um, union bustings are about wants to do. 300 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: If you want to tell our store managers that this 301 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: will negatively impact our relationship with them, if that's how 302 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: you want to frame it, then yeah, I probably will. Um. 303 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: If you if you want to make it more difficult 304 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: by not negotiating the contract easily with us, um, yeah, 305 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: then that might happen. It's not that's not a union problem. 306 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: That's a Starbucks problem that they are framing as a 307 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: union problem. Um. Yeah, I can't what were the other 308 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: things that I id just like to also explain, like 309 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: what the site is and what it's like trying to do. 310 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah, I mean it's it's um, it's union investing. 311 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: It's uh, it's giving it's giving partners the facts that 312 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: they need to know, you know, like it's it's we 313 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: want to make sure that you are informed before you vote. Know, Um, 314 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: that's what that is. It's this like sleekily designed page 315 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: that has the list of facts about about organizing and 316 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: all the reasons why it's going to negatively represent, negatively 317 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: affect your relationship with the Starbucks Corporation. Oh, this was 318 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: one of the points said, Um, the union may not 319 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: negotiate for some things you are hoping for, and some 320 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: things you value now might go away. That is so ridiculous. 321 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: That's a threat. Yeah, that's a threat that your well 322 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: being will be changed, Like we might not negotiate this 323 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: contract very nicely with you. That the union is us. 324 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: They love to talk about the third party and oh, 325 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: your your store manager is gonna have to work with 326 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: a steward. The steward is going to be someone who 327 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: already works in the store. Yes, the steward is us. 328 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: The union is us. Why would we negotiate a contract 329 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: that doesn't benefit us. That's so silly, It's it's it's 330 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: it's very typical union busting kind of behavior. And if 331 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, if they can just if this type of 332 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: propagandic you know, can just convince a few people and 333 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: and and scare and scare only only a couple of 334 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: the people, that will be enough to kind of cause 335 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: division and shutdown efforts in the store. Right, So that's 336 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: that's that's all that their goal is is to prevent 337 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, at least one more store from not doing it. 338 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: That's like, as long as they do that, then it's 339 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: then then then it's like successful. Um. Absolutely, And you know, 340 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: based on how many people work at an individual, individual store, 341 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: that's not entirely unlikely, right is it? Will? You know 342 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: it will? Like you you, union busting efforts do work 343 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: in a lot of cases, and that's why they still 344 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: do them. Like that's absolutely absolutely yeah, And that's why 345 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: it's it's really important for um, you know, if there 346 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: are any partners listening to this, um. And partners, by 347 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: the way, is what you know we call ourselves at Starbucks. Yes, 348 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: the the social aspect of this within your store. The 349 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: checking in with your partners and seeing how they're feeling 350 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: about it and having UM as many face to face 351 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: conversations as you can have and really really sticking by 352 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: each other is really important because Yeah, like I said, 353 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: these UM tactics are tried and true, they're effective, they're intimidating, UM, 354 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: and so you have to really supporting each other through 355 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: that and keep reminding each other like, no, there's a 356 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: reason we're doing this this, this is actually still a 357 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: good thing, you know, because on top of our jobs, 358 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: and then a lot of partners are in school or 359 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: they have families, like we already have a lot going on, 360 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: and then we have to go into work and be 361 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: reminded that our desire for a union is not valuable 362 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: to Starbucks, and so they're gonna make things harder by 363 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: doing all the things they're doing. Um. You have to 364 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: really really be there for each other through this process. Yeah, 365 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: I mean, that's, you know, solidarity one of the key 366 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: of the key tenants of this type of you know, 367 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: the type of organizing. Absolutely. I know Chris is a 368 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: pretty big union appreciator. I mean, I I like unions, 369 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: but but Chris, Chris really really really really enjoy. So 370 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you if you have anything, he likes 371 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: them so much, he'll he'll even like unionized coffee. He'll 372 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: be like this coffee still, it will it will good work, Chris. 373 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: Some of the some of the there's some storts in 374 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: Chicago that are unionizing, and I'm like, hmm, maybe maybe 375 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: you should check them out. Yeah, you should at least 376 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: at least check about and say like hi, it'd be like, yeah, great, 377 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: what's a great thing to do. Um, definitely go to 378 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: those stores, go up to the counter and offer you 379 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: or um order your coffee, and then ask them to 380 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: write like unions strong or we love unions as your name. Um, 381 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: because when the barisas are making the coffee and they 382 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: still like see that sticker come through, it's we really 383 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: love that, Chris. They have great tea there too, ice cream, Yeah, 384 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: the honey tea, it's really good. Or the chie likes 385 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: saying information though about like yeah we have there's finally 386 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: a store that's like somewhat near Los Angeles where I 387 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: am that that is announced they're unionizing, which is exciting, Like, okay, California, 388 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: way to join the party. Late but you know, it's 389 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: it's cool, go ahead. Yeah. One thing I'm interested in 390 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: is how how big is the shop, Like how many 391 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: people are sort of like, well, I'm not not in 392 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: the like, just how many people there like could potentially 393 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: join the union. I mean, anyone could. I think we 394 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: have about twenty. I could be so wrong, but I 395 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: think we have around twenty partners in our store right now. Um, 396 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: and yeah, any well, yeah, just about anybody could join that. 397 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: Not anyone who's salaried. Yeah, okay, but I mean that 398 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: seems that seems pretty common across all the different stores. 399 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: Is around that it's around like twenty union eligible people 400 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: per location. Seems roughly accurate based on the stuff I've 401 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: seen from you know, Seattle to Philadelphia to Boston to 402 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: Buffalo too, you know, all all places in between. And yeah, 403 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: so part part of part of like the actual more 404 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: organizational structure is a linked to Work as United. Yes, 405 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: part of the part of the Service Employees International Union 406 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: UM affiliate kind of a family of unions UM who's 407 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: kind of led the lad the campaign or you know, 408 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: has been part of the campaign UM to unionize the 409 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: you know, thousands of locations through the States and yeah. 410 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: I think around like eighty locations, including two of the 411 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: company's flagship ones inside Seattle and New York, have have 412 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: joined this this effort, and it does seem like every 413 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: day there's like more stores popping up. Who are who 414 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: are who are saying yeah, this is a good idea. 415 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: This is whether it be to you know, be like, yeah, 416 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,479 Speaker 1: some of our equipment is old, and it's like, you know, 417 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: it causes like keep burns because it's not like maintenance properly, 418 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: or being like yeah, there's a lot of like sexual 419 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: harassment caused by like some like some like patrons that 420 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,959 Speaker 1: never gets addressed by management um and or you know 421 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: saying like yeah, I may be deserved to be paid 422 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: more than fifteen dollars an hour um. With rent being 423 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: you know as high as as high as it is, 424 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: maybe we should be paying over twenty bucks an hour. 425 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: I don't know how everybody else is doing, but my 426 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: rent situation is interesting. So rent has been ballooning in 427 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: recent in recent months, even it's been it's been really 428 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: going up, which I mean, I'm sure we'll talk about 429 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: it at some point on the show here, but yeah, 430 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of there's a lot of issues 431 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: that are being like, yeah, maybe people should be paid more, 432 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: people should be at the bargaining table. There's a lot 433 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: of things to address to make it a safer workplace, 434 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: to make it a workplace where you're more respected. Um. 435 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: And it's uh, it's really nice to see people saying, yeah, 436 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put up with the city more and 437 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 1: we can do something about it, because like there are 438 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: mechanisms to to do this, right, that's why it's happening. 439 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: So that's that's very uh, very exciting to see taking place. 440 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: It really is. And it you know, you make a 441 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: lot of great points and bring up a lot of 442 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: the benefits of having a union, and it just like 443 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 1: it just surprises me how anti union Starbucks is is 444 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: period um, because it's just it's like, I don't know, you, yeah, 445 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: you paint such a beautiful picture, because it is a 446 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: beautiful picture to have autonomy and um, respect and empowerment 447 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: in the workplace. You know, they they train us to 448 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: work through the lens of humanity, you know, by their words, 449 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: and uh, it's pretty humane to let people have a say, 450 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: a real stay in the workplace. You know. Yeah, I 451 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: think it kind of exposes that type of you know, 452 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: pretty pretty corporate language that formative. Yeah exactly, it's, um, 453 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: I am interested in like the other like kind of 454 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: union busting or soft union busting kind of stuff going 455 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: on even like before this website in terms of how 456 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: like manage like how like management has been responding, um, 457 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: and how more like like what like what like the 458 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: local responses to wind stores start talking about this. Yeah, 459 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: And and another fall up to that is I noticed 460 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: that COVID was mytioned on this on this website. Is 461 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: that being brought up within union busting at all? Or 462 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: is that brought I just it was like a huge 463 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: red flag for me that they used like well, we 464 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: helped your during COVID we were there for you, which 465 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: really did not. That's like that's like that's like that's 466 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: like abusive terminology. That is pretty manipulative to be like 467 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: we we helped you during a pandemic. It's it's like, well, yes, 468 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: as you should. Yeah, you're the place where I was employed. 469 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: I give something to you, you give something to me. 470 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: And yeah, and as I Twitter ranted in the comment, 471 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: you know, like with peace and love, we had to 472 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: beg to get our cafe closed, you know, like we 473 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: we like, it wasn't like we just uh cases rose 474 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: and they came in and said, hey, guys, we're gonna 475 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: close it. Like we had. We were calling and um 476 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: making a stink and I mean we were talking about striking, 477 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: but then remembered we're not unionized yet. We didn't but 478 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: uh yeah, I mean it was we Yeah, we were 479 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: really fed up. UM people sitting in there for hours 480 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: with their faces out, you know, as cases were rising. 481 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: So UM yeah, great point. That's really pretty manipulative because 482 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: like you should be helping us through covid. UM. That's 483 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: not like a that's not a benefit, that's just that's like, yeah, 484 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: it's not killing people. It's like should should be something 485 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: that's just kind of always there. UM, shouldn't shouldn't be 486 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: an extra, you know. Yeah. And I mean as far 487 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: as UM, you know, sort of local UM interference, I 488 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: guess I'll say UM. I do want to say UM. 489 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: In my case, our store manager, UM, I really care 490 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: about her. UM. I have a great working relationship with her. 491 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: I really respect her. She's done a lot of good 492 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: for our store. UM, and she's really just doing the 493 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: best she can having conversations with us. UM. She has 494 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: her opinions and feelings about it, and I just try 495 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: to listen to them, and she listens to mine. Um. 496 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: But there definitely Yeah, I mean as soon as we 497 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: filed for an election, we started actually as soon as 498 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: we started organizing, and they sort of caught wind. Um. 499 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: We started having barista meetings, which are as vague as 500 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: they sound, um, And people who had worked there longer 501 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: than me said, we've never had these before. Um, maybe once, 502 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, in a few years. Um. So we started 503 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: having all these meetings and not even talking about the 504 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: union at first, but all of a sudden they wanted 505 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: to hear from us and fix things in the store 506 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: and and all this stuff and be super helpful and present. 507 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: And then there definitely just was a heightened corporate presence 508 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: in the store. Um, people we've never seen before coming 509 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: in like, hey, how are you doing? Want to talk? 510 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: It's like, no, you're a stranger, like all low to 511 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: talk to you. Um. So that was weird. Um. But yeah, yeah, 512 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: there's there's definitely definitely just a shift in presence. Um again, 513 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: any of these meetings and um, yeah, it's been interesting. 514 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: What what do you kind of how do you see 515 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: like the situation resolving like do you do you like 516 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: how how like do you have has also like, yeah, 517 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: what's like the state of of of your stores specifically? Yeah, 518 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: so we are on our way to an election. Um, 519 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:57,719 Speaker 1: we've requested an election. Uh so we're really just like 520 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: in a waiting period for that. We don't know exactly 521 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: when it's gonna be. We've heard soon, um, but who 522 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: knows when that is? Um? We yeah, we have some 523 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: we we had to do a zoom hearing for some 524 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: of the legalities for things here in Massachusetts. That was interesting. 525 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,479 Speaker 1: But yeah, so we're we're just waiting for the election 526 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: at this point. And the election is what will uh 527 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: you know, that's when we're going to cast our yes 528 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: or no vote, um, and we will find out whether 529 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: or not we're gonna unionize. And I think we will unionize. 530 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: It's looking that way. I'm confident, um, and I really 531 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: look forward to that. What do you think, um, Like, 532 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: what do you see is happening after the vote is done? Like, like, 533 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: assuming it is a vote yes, Like, how do you 534 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: think this will impact um working at the store going forward? 535 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting and it's going to be an adjustment, 536 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: right because from the time that we vote and we 537 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: vote yes. Let's say we vote yes and we're going 538 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: to unionize. There is it could take a long time. 539 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: It could take a year. We don't know. It could 540 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: take more and less UM to get from that vote 541 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: to you know, what we refer to as the bargaining 542 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: table UM to negotiating a contract with Starbucks. UM. And 543 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: in that time there are things UM. And again, if 544 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: partners are listening, you can do your research on this 545 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: on the n l r B website. UM. There, you know, 546 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: there are things that will be UM different in that 547 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: waiting period. Right, So if if Starbucks decides to release 548 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: UM a nationwide UM spring raise, because why not we 549 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: love giving you raises, UM, we would be exempt from 550 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: that because we're in negotiations. Because we're in this sort 551 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: of in between spot. UM there there are little weird 552 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: things that we might have to just be aware of 553 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: no going in UM in that sort of interim uh yeah, 554 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: and then eventually, you know, those raises and any other 555 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: things that we've sort of been waiting on get brought 556 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: to the bargaining table. Yeah. I think this is an 557 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: important thing for people to understand when when you're doing 558 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: union organizing right is you know, you have this giant 559 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: push and you have like you have to have the 560 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: push to get to get either recognition or to get 561 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: this the National Labor Relations Board vote. But most unions 562 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 1: that go under go under in like before the first contract, 563 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: and you have to like that's that's something that you 564 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: know when when you when you talk to people who 565 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: who are the professionally you need organizers, they talked, they 566 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: talked about this constantly, just like you have to hold 567 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: it together during during that period between your first like 568 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 1: betwetween when you when your when when you get recognized 569 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: it when your vote ends that first contract. And it's 570 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: hard in a lot of ways, Yeah, because they thinks 571 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: we're talking about like management will do you know, they'll 572 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: they'll intensify the union busting because they're hoping the union 573 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: will still fall apart. But if you hold it together 574 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: and if you get that first contract your union, like 575 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: you know, you now have a union and you've basically 576 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: stabilized and at that point, like you now have a 577 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: seat at the table and you have to take your 578 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 1: seat the table and fight. Yeah, but it's a big 579 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: responsibility when when you say hold it together during that time, 580 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: do you do. You mean, like, um, just through those 581 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 1: changes and that interim and that sort of weird awkward phase, 582 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: like you have to like just hold it together like 583 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: mentally and just kind of power through it. Yeah. Well also, 584 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: I mean you have to, like you have to just 585 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: keep making sure everyone's involved, which is something that's difficult because, Yeah, 586 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: especially after sort of the initially because people have also 587 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: had like a job to do it in this entire time, right, 588 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 1: they're still they're still make and coffee, they're still making 589 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: a podcast, they're still doing whatever. Sover. Have you ever done? 590 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 1: This is sort of beside the point, but it's fun. 591 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: Have you guys ever done like the sixteen personalities personality assessment? 592 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: At some point? I've never done it. It's really fun. 593 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: I just did it for school, and it's the thing 594 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: that tells you, like, I'm an i n f J 595 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: TV and my thing is the advocate Sophie. What's yours? 596 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: You look like you had one ready to go. I 597 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: don't remember what it was, but I remember having to 598 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 1: do it like fifteen times in school. Yeah. I also 599 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: I also forget what I the one that I did 600 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: for when I was in school as well, But I 601 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: I brought it up because I'm thinking I want to 602 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 1: send it to my fellow organizers and be like, do 603 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: this and we can sort of highlight what each other's 604 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: strengths are, um and start playing into those because like 605 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: you were saying, Chris, like it really is a team effort, 606 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: and I think it only really works if you are 607 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: utilizing people and respecting people's strengths, you know, because not 608 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: everyone has the same strengths. Like, yeah, you might be 609 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: a kick as graphic designer, but like not everyone can 610 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: do that. You know, maybe they're better at hosting get togethers, 611 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: or they're better at writing emails or whatever. You know. 612 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, playing to strengths is so important in 613 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: the long run because yeah, it can take a year 614 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: to get to the negotiating table, which which like is horrible, 615 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: Like that shouldn't be like it should it shouldn't be 616 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: that long. Um. And you know, tactics such as like specifically, 617 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: you know, raising wages around a unionization effort so that 618 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: people in the union don't get it. That is like 619 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: another form of union investing. Like that is like, don't 620 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: think they haven't thought that through, Like that is that 621 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: is part of that whole process. Being like, oh, yeah, 622 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: you could have a union or you can get higher 623 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: wages out Like that's like, that's that is part of 624 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: what's going on. It's because they want people to not 625 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 1: sign on to have long term benefits, so they're going 626 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: to offer these short term benefits. So like it really 627 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,359 Speaker 1: is like because of how elongated the unionization process can be, 628 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: it gives a lot of time for people to get 629 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: burnt out. Um, and and combating that, like combating being 630 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: burnt out is one of the most important parts. And yeah, 631 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: it's it's really it's really challenging sometimes. Oh my gosh, absolutely, 632 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: I mean I love that conversation. I'm like a mental 633 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: health dweeb. Um, it's it's my it's what my my 634 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: podcast is called Your Messy Friend, and that's basically all 635 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: I talk about is mental health. And yeah, the burnout. 636 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm recovering from burnout right now. You know, Um, 637 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,839 Speaker 1: it's very real. You have to make sure that you know, 638 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,280 Speaker 1: while you're taking care of everybody else and making these efforts, 639 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 1: like you have to make sure that you are checking 640 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: with yourself every a and making sure your needs are 641 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: being met because giving from an empty tank does not 642 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: last long. As I'm sure you guys know, yeah, if 643 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: you uh, if if you're, if you're, if the water 644 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: in your espresso machine is out, then nothing can flow 645 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: through to make the exactly see. It was what an 646 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: amazingly crafted metaphor. I just not tortured it at all anyway. 647 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: So what is the like turnover rate at the store? Like, 648 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 1: like how how quickly are people coming in and out 649 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: of jobs? And how has that been affecting organizing? The 650 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: cool question. Um, we haven't had a ton of people 651 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: leave since I got there, I mean, and I definitely 652 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: I can pretty confidently say none of those had to 653 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: do with unionizing. Um, it was all for just like 654 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:15,240 Speaker 1: different reasons. Um, we've had quite a few more people 655 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: come in recently, and I would say that, Um, I mean, 656 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: it's it's weird because our current store manager, uh was great. 657 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: She was hired around the same time that we really 658 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:33,720 Speaker 1: started amping up union stuff. And you know, it's almost 659 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: unfortunate because I think she thought it was it was 660 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 1: about her, and it just so wasn't you know. Um, 661 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: but yeah, so it's who knows if it was just 662 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: because she was there now or because of the union 663 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 1: stuff or both. But uh, they did start hiring quite 664 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: a few more people, um around the time that we 665 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 1: started organizing, And yeah, I mean it's you have to 666 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: walk this fine line when you have new people coming in. 667 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: Of course, you want to get to them and give 668 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: them your info um or at least give them resources 669 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: to look into before corporate gets to them. UM. But 670 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: then you also they're they're learning a new job. It's 671 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: really fast paced and overwhelming, Like you have to be 672 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: careful not to totally overwhelm them either. I mean that 673 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: that's really something I've just tried to keep in mind 674 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: throughout the whole process. Is like when my friend Tyler 675 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: approached me, I was like, I don't know what this is. 676 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if this is necessary for me. 677 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 1: And now I'm on the committee, you know, so you 678 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,760 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, it's that thing where I'm like, Okay, 679 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:52,959 Speaker 1: if I could be convinced, maybe anyone can. All right, 680 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:59,240 Speaker 1: is there um any direct action that people who are listening, 681 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: or any called action you have for us that we 682 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: can to our listeners or links or anything that you 683 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,839 Speaker 1: think would be useful for our people to know. That's 684 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,280 Speaker 1: a cool idea. Yeah, thanks, Um, Like we mentioned before 685 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: if you want to just like stop by your local 686 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: unionizing Starbucks and get a coffee with the name you know, 687 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,760 Speaker 1: unionized or union strong. That like that in person support, 688 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: especially when your first organizing, is really really helpful. Even 689 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: just stopping by to drop off a card or say hey, 690 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:38,320 Speaker 1: good luck with unionizing. UM, that really means a lot. UM. 691 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: You can follow SB Workers United on Instagram and Twitter 692 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: and just engage with us, UM reach out if you 693 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: need info about how to organize. The people on Instagram 694 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 1: or so, I mean on all the platforms are just 695 00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: like so on top of responding UM and uh, website, 696 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: I think we have a website? Would I would assume so, 697 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: I would assume at this point. Yeah, I mean we 698 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: have a pretty pop in Instagram and Twitter. But UM, yeah, 699 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,319 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I'm forgetting anything. I think 700 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: that's that's about it. UM and just making noise on 701 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,439 Speaker 1: online is also really helpful. You know, I love when 702 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 1: people comment on Starbucks posts and they're like, yeah, how 703 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: about unions though, yeah, nion. The website is s B 704 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: Workers United dot org, affiliated with the Workers United and 705 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 1: the Starbucks know. I think Effort, which has ways to 706 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: donate or by by merch in support of the union 707 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: and that kind of stuff, which funds I'll go to 708 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 1: the go to the campaign and you know, just in 709 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: case it wasn't clear, Like and this is something you'll 710 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,839 Speaker 1: hear from Starbucks. Is all of this about the third 711 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: party and Workers United is going to do this us 712 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: and that, blah blah blah. We essentially, you know, we 713 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,759 Speaker 1: work with that. They promote our cause, you know what 714 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: I mean, they're here to support our mission and our goals. 715 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you'd be amazed by how much partners do 716 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 1: for this, you know, so much. But we we do 717 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 1: the nitty gritty every day, communicating with each other. We're 718 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,280 Speaker 1: communicating nationally now we have a platform for that. UM 719 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: and yeah, it's really cool. And so like they are, 720 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: they're kind of like, I don't know, the supporting beams 721 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 1: of of everything we're doing. You know, it's us, yeah, 722 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: but like the actual makeup of it definitely is with 723 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,839 Speaker 1: Starbucks employees, you know, and all the people I've been 724 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,359 Speaker 1: in like Twitter conversations with our d m s who 725 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: are involved. It's like, yeah, like everyone who's like actively 726 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,880 Speaker 1: involved in doing it all has worked at Starbucks before. 727 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: Um and still and still are like it is. It 728 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,439 Speaker 1: is definitely being led by the workers. Um and yeah 729 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 1: that's really great and really crucial. UM. Do you have 730 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,360 Speaker 1: any do you have any other plugables either for yourself 731 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:12,960 Speaker 1: or for yeah anything else plug your pod? Yeah? Thanks guys, UM, 732 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: this was really fun. Thank you for having me on. 733 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,720 Speaker 1: I love podcasting. UM, so yeah, I mentioned sp Workers 734 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,480 Speaker 1: United on Instagram and Twitter. Make sure you give them 735 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,439 Speaker 1: a follow, follow Barista's you find along the way. Who 736 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: are you know speaking up about this? Show them your support. UM. 737 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,399 Speaker 1: My podcast is called your Messy Friend. You can find me. 738 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,239 Speaker 1: I think wherever you get your podcasts definitely Spotify That's 739 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,479 Speaker 1: what I use. UM and yeah that's about it. Well, 740 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: thank you so much Kayleie for joining us today. You 741 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: talked about Starbucks and unions. UM can follow us online 742 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 1: on Twitter, Instagram, at Happened Here pod and cool Zone 743 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,440 Speaker 1: Media and I think that does it? Does it for us? 744 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,839 Speaker 1: Can't wait for y'all to win? Yeah, absolutely can't. Can't 745 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 1: can't wait for you guys to win. As soon as 746 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 1: as soon as Portland locations start going, I'll definitely go 747 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 1: in and support, But until then I will make coffee 748 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 1: alone in my my my my lonely, my, my lonely 749 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 1: espresso machine. Um, but yeah, thank you, thank you so 750 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: much for for coming on to talk. Thank you, thank 751 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 1: you so much. It could Happen here as a production 752 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,959 Speaker 1: of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts on cool zone Media, 753 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: visit our website cool zone media dot com, or check 754 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,880 Speaker 1: us out on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 755 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can find sources 756 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: for It could Happen Here, updated monthly at cool zone 757 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 1: media dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.