1 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Future production of I Heart Radio. I'm 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology in school, and guess what, I'm mad 4 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: as Helen. I'm not gonna take it anymore. What do 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: animals do when they're mad? From skunk in to squeak 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: into outright bluff? And we're talking some peeved little critters 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: who have just about had it with the bowl honky. 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: We'll find out why you don't want to get on 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: the bad side of skunks, sea hair, squeaking frogs, stuck 10 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: up stick bugs, and many other furious creatures discover this 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: mor as we answer to the angel question, are owls 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: just cats with wings? Joining me today to Get Angry 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: is cartoonist, TV writer and filmmaker Anna Selina's welcome. I'm 14 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: so happy to be here. I was inspired to do 15 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: this episode about angry animals because as your dog is 16 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: mad at you right now, I heard through the grape 17 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: vine the dog rumor mill. It's true, and it's a 18 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: vicious dog rumor mill. But my dog, Eady is a puppy. 19 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: She's six months old, she just got spayed, and she 20 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: has to wear a cone and like she's the couest, 21 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: happiest puppy and she's so funny pissed right now, Like 22 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: she just glares at me. She keeps getting stuff stuck 23 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: in her cone, like bones get stuck, but she's like 24 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: chewing on. It's a really miserable time for a dog 25 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: to be and it's all your fault, and I feel guilty. 26 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sorry, but it's the law. I had 27 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: to do it. You monster, How could you put her 28 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: in a cone? Like all she wants to do is 29 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: like chew at her stitches, so you have to keep 30 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: bring your back in. But no, you gotta make your 31 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: look so achelous. Martini glass Martini. How does she how 32 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: does she express her frustration and indignation with you? She'll sigh, yes, yeah, 33 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: I guess that it's a dog thing, like she will. 34 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: First of all, she'll try to itch and can't, and 35 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: then we'll like kind of freak out and go with circles, 36 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: and then we'll just stop and go yep, and then 37 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: look up at me like you did this, and I'll 38 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: never forget you and be dramatized forever and be on 39 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: the floor. Yeah, yeah, no, my dog has mastered the 40 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: angry sigh where she her thing is if I'm not 41 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: if I stopped playing with her at any point, like 42 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: when she wants to play, like we can have been 43 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: playing and playing and then I stopped, and then she 44 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: will put her little chin right next to whatever toy. 45 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: It is that that I am not cooperating and throwing 46 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: around and look at me and as go yep, and 47 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: it's meant to hurt me. Yeah, right, And that's I 48 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: think that's what it is. It's like, look what you're doing. 49 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: What I mean, look what you're doing to me? You 50 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: a monster. Well, today we are talking about the ways 51 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: animals communicate to you that they are angry or scared. Usually, 52 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: anger and fear are very connected in in the animal kingdom, 53 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: and I would say in human psychology too, it's they're 54 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: very linked. Like when you're scared, you get mad. Sometimes 55 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: you get so mad you get scared. You know, It's 56 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: like they're they're very actually similar emotions. And and I 57 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 1: think fear can lead to anger, and so a lot 58 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: of these anger responses that you see in animals is 59 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: maybe more accurately described as a fear response, but they 60 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: that they channel that fear into this like angry response 61 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: to try to protect themselves, to try to ward off predators, 62 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: which I feel like if you really psychoanalyze some humans, 63 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: that's probably the reason for a lot of anger in 64 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: our own society too. Right, Oh yeah, I mean this 65 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: is as you're describing that. I'm like, oh yeah, that 66 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: pretty much describes a fringe political movements. That's what a 67 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: lot of people who are very afraid and then come 68 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: together and anger. Yes, I yeah, I couldn't have put 69 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: it better myself. It is look and we can see 70 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: that in the Animal Kingdom. So we're not alone in 71 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: our horrible French book. Okay, maybe we are, Maybe we 72 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: are a little bit. But we are going to talk 73 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: about skunks first because I think they are sort of 74 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: the most famous in terms of their response when you 75 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: piss them off. So, I mean everyone basically knows how 76 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: it works, right You you anger a skunk, you make 77 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: a skunk feel like you are in their space, they 78 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: will spray you with stinky stuff. So let's talk about 79 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: what exactly happens when you get sprayed by a skunk. 80 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: So Scotts generally don't want to spray you. They they're 81 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: not like looking to to stink you up. But it's 82 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: not like you know, I know that you may think 83 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: that if you have a skunk mechanism, like every problem 84 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: when you have a hammer looks like a nail. Every 85 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: problem when you're a skunk looks like someone to get 86 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: stink on. That's not good. It's not good. That's not 87 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: a good thing. But whatever. So skunks will be very 88 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: reticent to spray you because they kind of don't want 89 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: to like have the confrontation get to that point, and 90 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: it actually costs them in resources. So when you agitate 91 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: or scare a skunk, first, they'll try foot stomping, which 92 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: I love, just anchor stomping its feet. I know, I know, 93 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: it's adorable. It would make me want to hug them more, 94 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: and then I would get sprayed. So then after the 95 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: foot stomping comes hissing and puffing out its tail and 96 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: curling it it's back like a cat. Uh, you know, 97 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: the the classic cat response to when you've pissed them off, 98 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: when you're about like point zero two seconds away from 99 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: getting your face ripped off. So if that doesn't work, 100 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: if you're still like I'm I'm gonna come up to 101 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: this skunk and we're gonna be friends, and I'm gonna 102 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: hug it, and and it's it's stamping its feet and 103 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: hissing and you're just not picking up those social cues. 104 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: They'll do a handstand showing you it's anal arsenal of 105 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: scent glands, and if that's not a clue for you 106 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: to hit the road, they will then spray you. So 107 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: the reason they're actually hesitant to spray is they only 108 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: have about five stink bullets in the chamber before they 109 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: run out of juice, and it actually takes them over 110 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: a week for them to produce enough to refill and 111 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: recharge the anal glands. So they don't want to use 112 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: all that up if they can otherwise avoid confrontation. But 113 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: they as a last resort, do they ever walk around 114 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: just totally depleted? I mean, that's a good question, I imagine. 115 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: So if they continue to get it attacked by some 116 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: kind of like very stink resists, stink resistant animal, they 117 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: may in fact have that issue. In fact, we'll talk 118 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: about an animal that they really do have to worry 119 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: about because they are stinkproof. Um. So, uh, the two 120 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: stink glands on either side of its anus can spray, 121 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: a jet of the of the spray spray a jet 122 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: of the fluid up to ten ft or three meters 123 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: far due to these really strong muscles that push on 124 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: the glands. It's like a muscle that just like squeezes 125 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: the gland like it's a turkey baster. Joy. I'm looking 126 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: at this picture the skunk that's actually this is actually 127 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: not a skunk. So that's really funny. I didn't include 128 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: a picture of the skunk because it's like, ah, you 129 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: know what a skunk looks like, but that's not a skunk, 130 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about that. That felt a minute, 131 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: but this is I'm kind of pleased to hear you 132 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: say that, because we're The interesting thing about that animal 133 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about is it looks exactly 134 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: like a skunk. You think it's a skunk black and 135 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: it's not a fluffy tail. Yeah, that's a shocking. It's 136 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: a case of parallel evolution. It's really interesting. So well, 137 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: now I have googled a picture of a real skunk, 138 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: and I'm even more convinced these two animals are exactly 139 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: the same. But there's so cute. I mean, skunks and 140 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 1: I actually have a skunk that lives in my backyard 141 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: that like I have to be aware of and not 142 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: go to pias, give it its space. But they look 143 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: like fluffy little cats. I just say, I wish. Do 144 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: people have skunks as pets every world? They do? They do, 145 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: And actually there's a surgery think that they do on 146 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: these skunks that basically removes the anal glands so that 147 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: that they're not so stinky. But yeah, people do keep 148 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: skunks as pets. I wouldn't say. I mean, my general 149 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: philosophy on pets is, you know, like we already have 150 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: cats and dogs, which are much easier to keep as pets, 151 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: so I not to go with the go with the animal. 152 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: You don't have to remove the anal stink glands from 153 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: to have it be livable with you. But look, I mean, 154 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: I think in terms of in terms of like exotic pets, 155 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: they're not. They're not like the worst exotic pets to have. 156 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 1: It seems like they're they're pretty cute and they're not. 157 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: I would say, as long as you're not like bringing 158 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: them somewhere where they're not like, uh, they they're not 159 00:09:54,880 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: a native species, so you're not potentially introducing an invasive spee. She's, uh, 160 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, admittedly I don't know too much about it, 161 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: but like it's probably not like a terrible pet. I 162 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: don't really know, but I wouldn't just get one on 163 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: a whim. Yeah, yeah, And I look, I'm not trying 164 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: to get a skunk as a pet, but if anyone 165 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: out there has one, right in, send me pictures, let 166 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: me know how it is. I'd imagine they do like 167 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: digging a lot, so I imagine they really like to burrow. 168 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: So they're probably pretty destructive, like sort of like people 169 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: who keep ferrets as pets. They love to dig, they 170 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: love to rip things up. So there, you have to 171 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: know what you're getting into with these non traditional or 172 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: exotic pets is that they can be very destructive. They 173 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: can have a lot of energy, and so you you 174 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: don't want to like get a pet like that, thinking 175 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: it like it's just gonna be like, oh, it's just 176 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: a stripy kitty, and then it ruins your your house, uh, 177 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: and then you like don't know what to do with it, 178 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: or like you know, give it up because you weren't 179 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: prepared for it. So yeah, you know, you have to 180 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: know what you're going to get into and you keep 181 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: something like a skunk corch. I think for most people 182 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: it's probably not an ideal pet. I'm going to say, right, 183 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: they are adorable. In fact, there are pet skunks that 184 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: are like albino pet skunks and they're so cute because 185 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: they got little pink noses. Adorable and they're a little 186 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: they're little topads, are really cute and it just got 187 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: these little puffy topads because they love they dig and burrows, 188 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: so they have these like tough reinforced toepads that makes 189 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: it easier to dig and burrow. But they're very cute. Um, 190 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: but stinky, and that stink is uh, you know, it's 191 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: no joke. The fluid that they spray out of their 192 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: anal glands, it contains sulfurous compounds and in addition to 193 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: being stinky, can irritate the skin and cause temporary blindness 194 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: if it gets into the eyes. So it's not just 195 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: the foul odor. It's actually an irritant. So an animal 196 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: that gets it on it will have a double whammy 197 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: the bad odor and little sting and potentially even blind 198 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: them for a little while. And the stink is so 199 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: potent that humans can detect it almost four miles away 200 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: from the source, which is six kilometers. So yeah, it's interesting. 201 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: So all the times I've smelled skunk, it might not 202 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: be because there was a skunk nearby. Yeah, I mean 203 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 1: it's like it could be up to almost four miles away. Yeah, 204 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: which is like immaterial. I feel like it's like, yeah, 205 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: it skunks four miles away. I'm cool. That's a thirty 206 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: minute drive in l A. Yeah. Yeah, I mean yes 207 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: in l A. Like you smell a skunk and to 208 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: take you an hour to get there. Uh, yeah, it's 209 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: I mean it is interesting because it really when you 210 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: think about how potent it is far away, like to 211 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: get a face full of the stuff. Now, I've never 212 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: been sprayed by a skunk. I mean I'm sure there 213 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: are people who have actually experienced directly getting sprayed by 214 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: the skunk. I can't imagine it. It seems like I 215 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: think I would just die because I have a pretty 216 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: sensitive nose. I get a really strong gag reflex when 217 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: it comes to bad smells, and I think I would 218 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: just die instantly, like you have to use baking soda 219 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: and hydrogen peroxide to get it out. Like it's I 220 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: think my soul would leave my body just to escape 221 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: the stink. It's such an effective defense that they don't 222 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: have that many regular predators because most of them learn 223 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: it's not a good time. The only animal they really 224 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: have to worry about on a regular basis is the 225 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: great horned owl because great horned owls do not have 226 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: great senses of smell. They have incredible eyesight, incredible hearing, 227 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: but they don't really rely on their smell. So to 228 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: an owl like the great horn owl, it's no big 229 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: deal if they get sprayed. So they will often eat skunks. 230 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: So that is the one predator that they probably try 231 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: to deploy these stink bullets over and over again. It 232 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: just doesn't have that much of an effect on them. Wow, 233 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: that's so interesting. Who do that in the animal kingdom? 234 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: Like the most powerful weapon would be smell? Yeah, it 235 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: can be extremely powerful. In fact, it's we see this 236 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: evolve over and over again, not just in the skunk, 237 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: but in other animals. So um, like I was talking 238 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: about earlier, when you when you cheated and look the 239 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: head and then I'm kidding, but you know when you 240 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: look at that, when you looked at that image, that 241 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: is not a skunk, That is a striped pull cat, 242 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: and they are only distantly related. And this is a 243 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: case of parallel evolutions. So it looks like a skunk. Uh, 244 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: And it's not a skunk, it's not a cat. And 245 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a pole. I guess it's vaguely 246 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: pole shaped. But yeah, it is in the weasel family, 247 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: including badgers, otters, weasels, ferrets, and more. And so they're 248 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: a somewhat distant relative of the skunk. The skunk is 249 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: part of the weasel super family, which is a larger 250 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: category than just the weasel family and the weasel super Family, 251 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: which sounds like a great Like that sounds like a 252 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: great new Marvel movie, The weasel Superfamily just family, the 253 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: family of superpowered weasels. I would watch that. I would 254 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: watch that. Weasels are speaking of cute animals, I mean, 255 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: weasels are really cute. Yeah, Like, like, the weasel family 256 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: includes things that aren't like, not what we would call weasels, 257 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: like otters, badgels, bade otters, and badgers. Um. But weasels 258 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: themselves are as cute as they are. They are so deadly, 259 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: not not to humans but to other animals. They are 260 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: surprisingly very effective carnivores, and they can take down things 261 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: that are bigger than them. They can take down surprisingly 262 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: like like they will take down birds of price sometimes. 263 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible. So, okay, I have to ask this though, 264 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: so otters are in the weasel families, so they're not 265 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: that related to dogs. Then are they otters where the 266 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: dogs of the sea. No, No, otters are not that 267 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: closely related to dogs. They are in the weasel family. 268 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: They're they're so social, they're so like to look at 269 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: otters and they're like linking arms floating, and I just 270 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, that's a dog on water. 271 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: They do seem they do seem like the puppies of 272 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: the ocean. Interestingly, so pinnipeds, which are also like seals 273 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: and like other seal like animals, the sea lion and 274 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: walrus is, those are all pinnipeds and they they also 275 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: seem like they're the dogs of the sea, like the 276 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: puppies of the sea. But they actually, while they are 277 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: not in the weasel superfamily, they did branch off um 278 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: sort of from a common ancestor of the weasel super family, 279 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: so that they're closer to weasels than dogs. Sea lions 280 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: I think so, I believe. So that's mind blowing. Yeah, 281 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: that's earth shattering because they also look like puppies. They do. 282 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: They really do. Also, hyenas not closely related to dogs, 283 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: more closely related to felines than they are to dogs. 284 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: What Oh my gosh. That's what's so crazy about um. 285 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: About like evolution is that you if you have a 286 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: form that is relatively successful, you'll see convergent and parallel 287 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: evolution where either related, distantly related, or unrelated species will 288 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: evolve similar traits, as we'll see here in this this 289 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: distinct section of the show. So, like I was saying earlier, 290 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 1: they are distantly related to the skunks, and that they're 291 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: both part of the weasel super families. So that is 292 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: a larger grouping of species that also includes raccoons, red pandas, 293 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: and skunks. M hm, okay, So skunks live exclusively in 294 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: the America's like you know, people in North America and 295 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: and uh, we're certainly accustomed to skunks here. Um. While 296 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: pole cats live in the savannah areas of central southern 297 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: and sub Saharan Africa. They're about the same size as 298 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: like a medium to small smaller sized skunk species and specimens. 299 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: While skunks are omnivores, striped pole cats are carnivores, only 300 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: eating meat, so they eat small rodents, reptiles, and insects. 301 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 1: Skunks will also eat meat, but they will eat vegetation 302 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: and basically anything that they can find and put in 303 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: their mouths and get get down there, which I relate 304 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: to it. They'll take anything. I like it. Lobe are. 305 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: Skunks are crepuscular, which sounds gross, but it just means 306 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: more active at dusk and dawn, while striped polk cats 307 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: are active at night. They're nocturnal. Interesting, they look very similar. 308 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: So striped polk cats are black with white stripes or 309 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: dark brown with white stripes, maybe a little a few 310 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: white spots that run along their backs, very similar to 311 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: the skunk. I mean, it fooled you, and I was convinced, 312 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: and it makes me wonder the times I saw. I mean, 313 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: where are these? Where do you find? These? Are only 314 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: in uh on the African continent probably, yeah, maybe I've 315 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: seen them ad But they look I mean, they look 316 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: identical except their stripe pattern. It's just a little different. 317 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: Like if I if one of these guys somehow made 318 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: it to America and I saw it, I think it 319 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: was a skunk, like, you know, even even knowing about it, 320 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: even with the fore knowledge of the stifferent species, I 321 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: would still be fooled. They're very similar looking. You would 322 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: stay away from it knowing it would spray you. Well, 323 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is they do. This is what's 324 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: so interesting is that not only do they look like 325 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 1: a skunk, but they also spray like a skunk. And 326 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: yet they have evolved independently. While they share common ancestor, 327 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: they're not like, you know, they didn't evolve branch off 328 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: from skunks or something. That's not why they look so similar. 329 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: They both independently evolved their their stripes, their appearance, and 330 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: this spray, and it's there's a reason that they both 331 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: have this this black and white striped appearance, and that 332 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: is it's a pi semicism. It's advertising that they have 333 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: this capability of of of defensive spraying. And you know, 334 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: unlike maybe other types of animals, mammals struggle to have 335 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: like super bright coloration. So having like a black and 336 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: white pattern in white stripes is gonna be a very 337 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: strong signal for a mammal who has sort of a 338 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: more limited palette than say like you know, you know, 339 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: with like poison arrow frogs, they can be bright red 340 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: or bright blue to advertise their poison. Mammals typically don't 341 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: have that kind of color range. So um so having 342 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: a bold pattern and very huge contrast, which you can't 343 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: get much more contrast than black and white, is a 344 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: way for them to have a bold pattern that will 345 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: warn potential predators that they actually have this feature, and 346 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: so predators will learn, hey, when last time I tried 347 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: to mess with one of these skunks in America, I 348 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: got sprayed, So I learned the skunk pattern, and then 349 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: an animal in Africa will learn like, hey, last time 350 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 1: I tried one of these pull cats, it had this 351 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: black white pattern. I got sprayed. I'm not gonna mess 352 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: with them again. So it's just so cool. Though it 353 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: seems like, how could this possibly be a coincident, it's 354 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: coin sidents. It's not necessarily that it's a coincidence that 355 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: they both evolved this way. It's that it's such an 356 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: effective strategy that, uh, you know, and you give it, 357 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: you give it enough millions of years, it's you know, 358 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: it's a good chance it's going to happen. That's amazing. 359 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: It's amazing that these stripes are so functional. Yeah, yeah, 360 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: they are fashionable and functional. So they really are. And 361 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: so they will spray anyone who makes them too uncomfortable. 362 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: They will. They have a slightly different strategy than the skunks. 363 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: I don't believe they do the handstand thing that American 364 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: skunks do. I think that they will arch their backs, 365 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: they raise their tails sort of like a cat. Um 366 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: doesn't sprays anyone who gets too close with a noxious, 367 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: smelly and irritating fluid from their anal glance. So that 368 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: sounds familiar, doesn't it. Yeah, it's it's really interesting. So 369 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: you have these things that look so similar to a skunk, 370 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: and while they do share a distant relative, it seems 371 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: I think the their evolutionary paths just were in terms 372 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: of developing the stink spray and their stripes were relatively independent, 373 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: which is so cool. It seems like it's a good 374 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: life to be a pole cat or a skunk because 375 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: most animals don't mess with you. Granted, you have to 376 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: worry about the owl, but so do squirrels. I assume, 377 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: like I assume all the other rodents and everything have 378 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: to worry about owls. So you just get to be 379 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: like you get to roam, you know. I feel like 380 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: they probably have a little swagger. Probably. Also, we should 381 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: worry about owls more. I'm just saying, yeah, just saying. 382 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: Owls are terrifying. They really are. I mean like, I 383 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: love them. I love them. I love to be scared 384 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: by them. But they are scary when you think about it. 385 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: They are the way their next move, their talents. Yeah, 386 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: we're actually going to talk about some owls later on 387 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: in the show, so, uh, prepare yourself for that. It's 388 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: actually really cute. But um, so this, uh, there's one 389 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: uh like to demonstrate how universal that stinky spray really is. 390 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: Let's look at an extremely different animal than the skunk 391 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: or the pull cap. And this is the sea hair, 392 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: which is a species of sea slug, a sea dwelling gastropod. 393 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: They're called the sea hair because they have what looks 394 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: like rabbit ears. These are really rhinofores, so they are 395 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: sent taste receptors on their head that looks like a 396 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: pair of bunny ears. Uh. Otherwise, there resemblance to a 397 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: rabbit I think is rather vague because they look more 398 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: like a slug creature with weird folds on their back. 399 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: So when sea hairs are agitated, they will release an inky, 400 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: purple or magenta ish substance. It's actu beautiful, it's quite 401 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: pretty looking, which is full of opaline and ammonium from 402 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: ink glands in their mantle cavity. So just a quick 403 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: like explanation of the anatomy of the sea hair. So 404 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: the mantle cavity is the area sort of in the 405 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: center of its body. It's inside of what looks like 406 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: these like folded up wings like there, or like flaps 407 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: on the side of their body. Um, So it's like 408 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: in there. Those skin flaps are called parapodia, and they 409 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: can actually use them similar to wings when they're swimming, 410 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: but when they're just kind of like crawling around, they're 411 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: usually folded up and they look it makes them actually 412 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: look pretty plant like because it's like they look like 413 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: these sort of I don't know, just like like some 414 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: kind of like yeah, yeah, exactly. Um. And speaking of plants, 415 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: the ink that that purple purple ish ink is thought 416 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: to be derived from red algae eat that they eat, 417 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: and the compounds they use in in the ink is 418 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: that they get from their diet. So what's interesting about 419 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: this skunk spray of ink is it's a little different 420 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: from other animals who use the defensive spray technique. So 421 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: there's like you know, from from skunks to pole cats 422 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: to like you have stink beetles who do the same thing. 423 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: You have some species of bird chicks vomit dispensive vomit 424 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: at predators. That's like stinky and irritating. So that like 425 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: the stinky irritating thing is a very common defense mechanism. Now, 426 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: the thing the sea hairs do is a bit of 427 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: a honeypot trap. So they spray this purple ink and 428 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: it actually attracts predators like lobsters who like to eat 429 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: sea hairs, and they will try to ingest the stuff, 430 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: so they like suck up this this ink. Not only 431 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: does it distract them away from the sea hair, giving 432 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: the sea hair and opportunity to escape, it actually cloggs 433 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,719 Speaker 1: up their scent and taste receptors and makes it so 434 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: that they can no longer smell. It's like it's like 435 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: a reverse sting. It's the inverse of a skunk spray, 436 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: where it makes you not be able to smell anything 437 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: at all. So which need in the ocean if you're 438 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: some sort of sea creature, because that's how you're sensing 439 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: things exactly. Yes. So so those those big antenna that 440 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: that um lobsters have that you always see waving around 441 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: from you and and seafood restaurants, they use those to 442 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: kind of like smell or taste the water. They're they're 443 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: chemo receptors, so they can use them to hunt down prey. 444 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: So if they get clogged by the compounds in this 445 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: inky substance that the sea hare sprayed, they can no 446 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: longer smell or taste anything. And so instead of going 447 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: continuing to chase after the sea hair, they're spinning all 448 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: their time, first of all, trying to clean the stuff off, 449 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: and in total confusion, and like you know, you suddenly 450 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: have these major senses that you use to navigate and 451 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: to hunt, like suddenly gone. You're you're basically paralyzed until 452 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: you can like figure out how to get get rid 453 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: of this stuff. I mean, this seems extremely effective, yes, 454 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: does it? I mean, who's their owl? Who's there owl? 455 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: That's a good question. You know what, I don't know, 456 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. Probably humans, yeah, for sure, because we're 457 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: just like, yeah, whatever, we're the owl. We're technically the 458 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: sort of horned owls of the world in terms of 459 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: just finding a way to best all animals at their defenses, 460 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: which sounds like a compliment, but I don't mean it 461 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: that way. I'm with great power, great responsibility, which we 462 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: have completely squandered in right, were no spider Man's were 463 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: no spider Man's um. Yeah, so it's it's really really interesting. 464 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,239 Speaker 1: Sing Before we move on to the next section, just 465 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: a couple of honorable mentions. Vultures. There's this fact what 466 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: I see spread around that vultures vomit at predators or 467 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: or potential threats because they don't have that many real predators, 468 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: but they can get threatened, especially like vultures who live 469 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: on continental African compete like with other scavengers for food. 470 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: But they actually don't projectile vomit, or there's not that 471 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: much evidence that suggests they like projectile vomit on their 472 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,479 Speaker 1: rivals or their enemies in order to like get vomit 473 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: on them. It's actually just like to lighten the loads 474 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: so that they can escape. So if they're back, why 475 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: you know, like like hyenas or lions or some some 476 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: competitor who's trying to attack them. When they're feeding on carrion, 477 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: they will vomit, which makes them able to fly better 478 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: because they you know, they ingested incredible amount of this 479 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: carrion and typically it would make them more sluggish flyers, 480 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: but you know they vomited. It probably distracts the the 481 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: the enemy for a while too, because it you know, 482 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, hey, vomit. And you know how much 483 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: animals love to slurp it vomits. Oh my dog loves it. 484 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: And just one more honorable mention. I think I've mentioned 485 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: this before on the show. The Scandinavian field fair birds 486 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: are these communal birds who will protect their nests and 487 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: youngs from ravens by dive vombing them with poop. Wow, 488 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: that's awesome. Yeah, it's you know, it's a it's a 489 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: pretty crappy defense, but I mean that in a good way. Uh. 490 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: And like the poop And I feel like I've mentioned 491 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: this recently, but whatever, you can hear it again. The 492 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: poop is actually slightly caustic and it will break up 493 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: the oil on a raven's feathers, and those oils on 494 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: feathers are actually really important for flight. Being able to 495 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: fly keeps the feathers organized in such a way that 496 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,239 Speaker 1: they basically remain sort of like a solid feather, like 497 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: you know, like if you take a feather and you 498 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: get it messed up, like if you if you take 499 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: a bird feather and you put like soap on the 500 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: soapy water, then it like it all separates, all the 501 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: all the little filaments on the feathers separate. Uh. So 502 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: that basically happens. So until the raven can get away, 503 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: Like if they continue to get pooped on, they are 504 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: their life is actually in danger because it may make 505 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: them incapable flight until they dry off and get more 506 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: oil on their feathers, which makes them very vulnerable to predators. 507 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: So they do not want to be in this situation. 508 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: So it's an extremely effective defense a community of people 509 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: crapping on their enemies. So their enemy is the raven. Yeah. Yeah, 510 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: birds fight other birds all the time. I just feel 511 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: like that's some mean girl stuff. That's like, hey, raven, 512 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna screw up your feathers, poop on your feathers. 513 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: It's like to be fair though. To be fair, though, 514 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: the ravens probably are trying to prey on their nestlings, 515 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: their babies, though Okay, well fine, it's justified. You can 516 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: poop on someone who's trying to eat your babies. Yeah yeah, 517 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: inserts the raven joke right here. But yeah, So we've 518 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: talked about animals who use stink as a weapon. Let's 519 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: talk about animals who use squeak as a weapon. That's 520 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: that's just my way of saying animals who use their 521 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: vocalizations as a way to ward off predators or anybody 522 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: who has given them a hard time. And the first 523 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: one I want to talk about I definitely have talked 524 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: about on the show before, but it bears repeating often 525 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: and I love it so much. It's one of my 526 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: favorite things. It's the desert rain frog, which one of 527 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: my favorite animals. They are so cute. They are a 528 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: frog that lives on the coast of South Africa and 529 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: Mabia and they are only about the length of a finger, 530 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: but they are very round. They're just little. They they 531 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: look like blow up like balls. They look inflated. They 532 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: look like you took a little uh toy frog, I guess, 533 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: and just and it was made out of rubber and 534 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: you just blew it up. If you poked it, it 535 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: would explode. Yes, actually I will, I will say that 536 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: there are toads that do explode. And this happens when 537 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: ravens and crows figure out that they figure out, these 538 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: birds figure out to how to like they love like 539 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: a certain organ inside of the toads and they will 540 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: eat it. And but they just like basically poke a 541 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: hole in the toad and eat that one organs they 542 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: like and leave the rest of them alone and then brutal. 543 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: So then then the toads will just explode when they 544 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: like like basically fill up with air. And that is 545 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: a horrifying way. That's just a side note. But um 546 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: so these guys, even though they look like they're they're 547 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: like little balloons that are about to explode, they they're not. 548 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,919 Speaker 1: They're they're fine. And so they don't hop because they're 549 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: so round. They just waddle and they burrow into sand 550 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: and try to absorb as much moisture as they can 551 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: in these sands along the coast. And when they're threatened, 552 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: they squeak very mad, very big mad at you, and 553 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: don't we all you know, that's one I can relate to. 554 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: I will squeak, yeah, just an angry squeak too. So 555 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: people know to mess with me. Well, here is the 556 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: squeak of an angry desert rain frog. It's the cutest 557 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: angry sound I've ever heard. I was expecting something a 558 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 1: little more vicious. That was delightful. I know, Like if 559 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: if this little desert rain frog was angry squeaking at 560 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: me because I was getting close to it, it just 561 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: would make me want to hug it more and be 562 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: like no, no, no, yeah. I mean, here's this little 563 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: blobby ball of a toad like waddling around and squeaking 564 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: so cute. I think this would have the opposite effect 565 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: of its intention. I mean, I assume other animals just 566 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: want to pick him up and squeeze them. It must work. 567 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: It must work if if these the species is still alive, 568 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: it must work in some manner, even if animals just 569 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: feel sorry for it and leave it alone. That's what 570 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: it is. It's so sad. I mean, looks skunks have 571 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: a good life, but these little frogs have a They 572 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: have a bad life. They have a tough life. It's 573 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: hard to be so cute and adorable, you know, aggressive, Yeah, yeah, 574 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: it's hard to be cute and scary. Another animal that 575 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: is cute but must try to be scary are owl 576 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: chicks burrowing owl chicks, So burrowing owl chicks will mimic 577 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: the sound of an animal much scarier than they are. 578 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: So you could say that owls, well, that ends well 579 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:56,919 Speaker 1: for these baby owls. More at eleven Beautiful Poetry. Now, 580 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: I do want to retract a statement I made, which 581 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: was owls are terrifying, because these owls are extraordinarily cute, 582 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: especially these chicks. They look like if fran Leebowitz was 583 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: a small chick, Like they just have a They have 584 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: a look on their face that is like I don't 585 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: want to I don't want to mess with you. They 586 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: look grumpy but cute. They are like middle school goths, 587 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: I think is that fair to say, where they're like 588 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 1: little babies, you know, like middle schoolers are are little babies. 589 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to any middle school schoolers listening, but you 590 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: are cute little babies to me. And they have like 591 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: this dark eyeliner around their face, and they kind of 592 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,879 Speaker 1: have this like sort of like grumpy expression, but they're 593 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: so cute and they're black nails, you know. Yeah, yeah, 594 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: they're just nobody understands me. It's like, oh, yeah, your 595 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: body understand you need a baby, yeah, and it's that 596 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: with a fluffy body, just like a fluffy, fuffy, fluffy body, 597 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,240 Speaker 1: so cute. I apologize to the world's middle school golfs. 598 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: Your your your feelings are very valid, but you're also 599 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 1: very cute. Yea, And no disrespect because look, I was 600 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: a wanna be middle school golf I tried, but it 601 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 1: just came off dorky. That's the best. That is the 602 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: best though. So they are burrowing owls live on the 603 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: American continent in grasslands and deserts. They are little owls 604 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: who like to burrow. The name is it's right, it's 605 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: right there in the name of people there. So because 606 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,240 Speaker 1: they're relatively small, they're so like I would say, um, 607 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: they don't grow any bigger than like under a foot. Now, 608 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: they must be the cutest owl species five dollar foot 609 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:05,280 Speaker 1: long birds. But the the smallest owl in the world 610 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: is actually called the elf owl. Uh. It is found 611 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: in uh in Texas, and it is another it's not 612 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: actually a burrowing owl, but it likes to desert habitats 613 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: and they like to live in woodpecker holes and inside 614 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: cactus holes. And they are they you know, fit in 615 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: the palm of your hand. I've really come around on owls. 616 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: I spent all this time thinking they were kind of scary, 617 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,760 Speaker 1: kind of creepy, and I could watch these burrowing owl pictures. 618 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: There is there's a video. There's a video. I'll try 619 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: to find it and included in the show notes, but 620 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: there's a video of someone releasing rehabilitated burrowing owls into 621 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: the wild. And they they use a tube basically, I 622 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 1: believe they have like a tube that goes into the 623 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: ground is as a um temporary burrow shelter for them 624 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 1: to use, and they just like put the owl in 625 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: the tube, put the owl in the tube, and like 626 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: the owls are very grumpy looking, and so they're just 627 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: sort of like nudging their little tushies until they go 628 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: inside of the tube. It's so funny. It's so cute. 629 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: That's what makes them so good. They just have this 630 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: permanent furrowed brow, a permanent angry scowl. But they're so 631 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: small and cute it's hard to take them seriously. So 632 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: the little ones, the the nestling owls, have a bit 633 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: of a problem because they're small and cute and probably 634 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,760 Speaker 1: very delicious to predators, so toward them off the baby 635 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 1: owl lets pretend to be a big scary rattle steak 636 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: by making a sound I'll play for you right now. 637 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: It's scary, right, that's terrifying. And it sounds like, what 638 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,839 Speaker 1: does that sound come out of their mounts? I mean 639 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: they're not necessarily their mouths, but like that, they're they're there. Yeah, 640 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: that's a terrifying sound. And I just can't square it 641 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: with this picture. I'm looking at grumpy chicks. It's like, 642 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: I take it back. They're not like middle school goths. 643 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 1: They are like middle schoolers who listen to metal and 644 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: but like dressed like a total dork. And but then 645 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 1: like we'll try to like a sing along with metal 646 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: songs and go like like you know, death throttle. And 647 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 1: then you look and it's this cute little kid with 648 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: a rollie backpack in a black This might be this 649 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 1: might be getting slightly autobiographical for me. You are the 650 00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,720 Speaker 1: burrowing owl. It's me. It's me, me and middle school. 651 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: I do have to note to the listener because they 652 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: don't get to see this, but Anna has just brought 653 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: the pepper onto the screen with the little cone and 654 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: it is I can The dog is like looking at 655 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: me like saying, look, look what she's done to me. 656 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: She hates it so much. Can you believe this? What 657 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,959 Speaker 1: I've been She's turned me into like a satellite dish? 658 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,399 Speaker 1: Can you believe this? And I tried to get her 659 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,760 Speaker 1: like a and a kind cone because it's a little softer, 660 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: soft cone. She freaking hates it. Yeah, I wish, I 661 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 1: wish all the listeners could see this, because she does 662 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 1: look like an ice cream cone. So another animal, who 663 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: is sorry? Another animal I think is very cute. This 664 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 1: one's a little the threatening uture of the animals is 665 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: a little more um tangible is elephants. They are big 666 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:14,320 Speaker 1: and beefy, but they are really interesting, intelligent animals. Um 667 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: and they because they are so intelligent, they learn about 668 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: threats in their environment, and they actually have ways to 669 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 1: communicate uh, the these these ideas, these warnings to other elephants, 670 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 1: and in fact, elephants actually have a specific angry swear 671 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: word for humans, oh my god, because we're the worst. No. 672 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,760 Speaker 1: Researchers have found that African elephants have a specific low 673 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: rumbling call that they make to warn their cohorts about 674 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: the presence of humans. Because human poachers and farmers often 675 00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 1: shoot elephants, they learn to see humans as a potential 676 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: soull threat, so much so it seems they have a 677 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:11,959 Speaker 1: specific called just to say, oh humans, Oh I love elephants. Man, 678 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: They're just some nice animals who are doing their best 679 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,720 Speaker 1: to stay away from humans and not getting their respect 680 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:26,360 Speaker 1: they deserve. No I do, I mean it's it's there's 681 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 1: something like humbling about the fact that elephants like are 682 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: so are so aware of our shenanigans that they're just 683 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: like they they have. I call it a swear word 684 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,319 Speaker 1: because even though technically there's no scientific classification of like 685 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: swear words that like an elephant would use to me 686 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,359 Speaker 1: a word that's like oh a human that is responded 687 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: to by all the elephants, like fleeing the area, that's 688 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,360 Speaker 1: a swear word. That's an elephant swear word. Word. You 689 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: don't want to get called that if you're an elp 690 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 1: fit right right, your your mother is a human like 691 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 1: the biggest insult. If you're an elephant, definitely never forget it. Porcupines. 692 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: Porcupines are most famous for using their spines as a 693 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 1: defense when they're mad, but they also squeal to let 694 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: you know they are unhappy, especially females. If like a 695 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 1: male is bugging her and trying to mate with her, 696 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,840 Speaker 1: and she does not want anything to do with him, 697 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 1: like she has nothing to worry about, because, like porcupines, 698 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:41,360 Speaker 1: consent is like vital for porcupines, because a male physically 699 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: cannot mate with a female unless she wants them to, 700 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: because she will need to roll up her her tail 701 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: and so that her spines roll backwards so the male 702 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,360 Speaker 1: can mount her without being impaled by her spines. But 703 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,000 Speaker 1: if she's getting annoyed by a male continually trying to 704 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: seduce her, she will just start telling at him. So 705 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: here are some squeals. I believe this is an angry 706 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: female telling a male to piss off. Okay, yeah, yeah, 707 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 1: I can hear the exasperation in her voice where she's 708 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,360 Speaker 1: just like, come on, yeah, it sounds less like angry 709 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 1: and more just like yeah, I know, right, just like okay, alright, 710 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:41,200 Speaker 1: I get it now. Buzz off clients are just so relatable. 711 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 1: Also relatable are screaming hairy armadilla's. I mean, don't you 712 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 1: have days when you just feel like a screaming hairy 713 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: armadillo every day? Every day? Always harry and um in 714 00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,759 Speaker 1: my head. I'm always screaming, always screaming, screaming internally when 715 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: when Japan, because Japan did a much better job of 716 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,359 Speaker 1: getting coronavirus under control, Like when they opened up their 717 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: theme parks, I think like they were like people had 718 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,799 Speaker 1: to wear masks and also they had a sign that said, 719 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:18,360 Speaker 1: like please scream internally. Um yeah, like like by screaming, 720 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 1: you're like, you know, spitting out spit. So they want 721 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 1: people to like scream internally, and like I feel that 722 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 1: so much. I feel it. It's like the theme of 723 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 1: this pandemic. Just scream internally. We're all feeling well, screaming. Harry. 724 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 1: Armadillos scream externally as well. They are found in South America, 725 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,319 Speaker 1: and if you pick one up, they start shrieking like 726 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,920 Speaker 1: a man drake, you know the whole mythos. Yes, a 727 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,799 Speaker 1: man drake. It's in Harry Potter, it's in folklore, you know. 728 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,600 Speaker 1: It starts screaming, screaming. Harry, Armadillos are like real life 729 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,879 Speaker 1: man dreaks um And I believe I've talked about these 730 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 1: on the show, but again I think that these they're 731 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,920 Speaker 1: just it's I love the indignation of these guys, So 732 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,759 Speaker 1: I think it's worth hearing it again. So they're not 733 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,440 Speaker 1: particularly social, so it's unlikely that the scream is an 734 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,200 Speaker 1: alarm call to warn their buddies. It's probably just a 735 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: car alarm effect. So by by shrieking like this, they 736 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: are attracting the attention of other animals. So if you 737 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 1: have a smaller predator who's probably afraid of larger predators 738 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 1: or competition, and this car alarm starts going off in 739 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,839 Speaker 1: the form of this screaming hairy armadillo, you might want 740 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,680 Speaker 1: to like get out of there before someone else shows up. 741 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 1: So here's what it sounds like. That is also a 742 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,400 Speaker 1: cute sound, but I hear the anger in them. Yeah, 743 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,239 Speaker 1: it sounds it sounds like a It sounds very much 744 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,440 Speaker 1: like a car alarm to me, like an angry car alarm. 745 00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: It really does. I wonder if man breaks, like the 746 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:05,640 Speaker 1: mythology of Man Drake's come from these screaming hairy armadillos. 747 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,440 Speaker 1: You think it would. I don't. I'm not sure because 748 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,799 Speaker 1: I think because these are found in South America. I 749 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,400 Speaker 1: wonder if there's like a man Drake legend that does 750 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,600 Speaker 1: originate in South America, the European one, I would. I 751 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,759 Speaker 1: bet it's just because sometimes plant roots have that human look. 752 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,719 Speaker 1: So we actually talked about that um last time on 753 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,240 Speaker 1: the pot about her idolia, where you see shapes, particularly 754 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,719 Speaker 1: human shapes, and things that uh have ambiguous patterns. So like, 755 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 1: if you've ever seen a particularly like messed up root 756 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 1: or piece of ginger, ginger for me, like sometimes looks 757 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:48,080 Speaker 1: like little people, freaks me out. Or like carrots, carrots 758 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,239 Speaker 1: that are like growing in your backyard and gets all 759 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,840 Speaker 1: weird and twisted, like sometimes they look like little people 760 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,440 Speaker 1: because it looks like they have legs and arms, their 761 00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,319 Speaker 1: little legs twisted like yeah, they're sitting exactly crossed, and 762 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,120 Speaker 1: so probably like you know, these these uh ancient Europeans 763 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,000 Speaker 1: picked up some like like root vegetable, it looked like 764 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 1: a little human. They're like, yep, that's a demon. Yeah, 765 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 1: it's definitely a demon. Yep, there that there's a demon. 766 00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 1: That's what I do whenever I find a carrot, a 767 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,400 Speaker 1: weird shaped carrot. Now this is the work of the devil. 768 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and it happens all the time. I 769 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,640 Speaker 1: love carrots. I'm constantly eating devil carrots exactly. I mean 770 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:36,120 Speaker 1: that's you know, have you ever seen a rabbit um 771 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,319 Speaker 1: possessed by Satan because of all the devil carrets that 772 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,319 Speaker 1: they destroy. Right, and that's I mean, who hasn't seen 773 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: a rabbit possessed by Satan? Right? You look at a 774 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 1: rabbit with its beady little eyes. Yeah, those are Satan. 775 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,279 Speaker 1: I don't trust them. I don't trust they don't never 776 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 1: trust the rabbit. They're deeply involved in the occult. Yeah, 777 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,960 Speaker 1: and they're always so anxious. And I feel like it's 778 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,279 Speaker 1: because of the guilt coming out it come and out 779 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,319 Speaker 1: of magician's hats. You know that that's occult stuff. Yeah, 780 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,919 Speaker 1: So what do you do when you're just you're just 781 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:20,400 Speaker 1: a little boop in in nature, just a little a 782 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 1: little cutie out there and mother in cruel mother nature 783 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,640 Speaker 1: with not too many defenses to your name, and you're small, 784 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 1: and maybe you're even delicious um, and you've got a predator. 785 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,480 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you look pretty edible. Yeah, you 786 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:42,320 Speaker 1: just you gotta bluff sometimes you just have to. You 787 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,400 Speaker 1: gotta lie, you gotta say like, no, actually, I'm the 788 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,480 Speaker 1: scariest thing in the world. And this is called dimatic 789 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:55,560 Speaker 1: behavior or startled display, also known as bluffing. So this 790 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,759 Speaker 1: is when an animal uses a posture or behavior to 791 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,280 Speaker 1: bluff about. It's the offensive capabilities. It's like a cat 792 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,640 Speaker 1: arching its back and puffing up to appear larger. Uh, 793 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:12,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily mean the animal is defenseless and can't 794 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:16,960 Speaker 1: defend itself at all, but it's overstating like how much 795 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,240 Speaker 1: of a threat it is to try to avoid confrontation. 796 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,200 Speaker 1: So like a cat can scratch you up pretty good, 797 00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,319 Speaker 1: but when it's arching its back and puffing up, it's 798 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,720 Speaker 1: trying to make itself look bigger, so that you're calculating, 799 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,000 Speaker 1: like whether to confront this cat, and you see this big, puffy, 800 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,640 Speaker 1: angry looking at and you're like, whoa, that's a big cat. 801 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,759 Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with that. So um. I 802 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,800 Speaker 1: mean one kind of like example of this is often butterflies, 803 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:47,400 Speaker 1: moth caterpillars, even frogs will have these false eye spot 804 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,040 Speaker 1: There are these big color spots that look like eyes, 805 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,600 Speaker 1: and when they kind of put those out there, it's 806 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,080 Speaker 1: too startle predators to think like, oh my god, like 807 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,480 Speaker 1: there's these big eyes looking at me, and it's meant 808 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,520 Speaker 1: to scare thee way, even though you know obviously they're 809 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,520 Speaker 1: not real eyes, and the moth probably doesn't actually pose 810 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,480 Speaker 1: any real danger to the predator. And so I want 811 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,760 Speaker 1: to talk about some of my favorite cases of dimatic behavior, 812 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,440 Speaker 1: starting with the frill necked lizard also known as the 813 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,320 Speaker 1: frilled dragon, one of my favorite lizards. This is found 814 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,239 Speaker 1: in northern Australia and southern New Guinea. It's got a 815 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,160 Speaker 1: big attitude and big face flaps. I feel like having 816 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,879 Speaker 1: big face flaps is always a good good thing when 817 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,279 Speaker 1: you have a big attitude. Oh yeah, yeah, because it's 818 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,560 Speaker 1: kind of like you're wearing a big head dress. Yeah, 819 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,359 Speaker 1: it's just like demands attention. It's it's big Martin van 820 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,360 Speaker 1: Buren energy with with the you know, the side the 821 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,640 Speaker 1: side burns that go all the way down to the neck. 822 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:53,480 Speaker 1: It's like very mutton chop, but like powerful, powerful mountain 823 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,600 Speaker 1: powerful mutton chops that just go out like several feet 824 00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,960 Speaker 1: like that. That to me like that sort of big 825 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,560 Speaker 1: Martin van Buren energy. I just want to give you 826 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,879 Speaker 1: some credit for that analogy, because I was like, oh, yeah, 827 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,799 Speaker 1: Martin van Buren, I kind of see that. But I 828 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:13,439 Speaker 1: googled him and was reminded just how intense his yes, 829 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:18,120 Speaker 1: cheek flaps are his button chops. They don't just hang, 830 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,520 Speaker 1: they fly out from either side of his face like 831 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,279 Speaker 1: a lizard, right exactly. And when he was threatened in 832 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:32,560 Speaker 1: the Senate, he does actually push out his mutton chops 833 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:37,080 Speaker 1: and rattles them, shakes them while shrieking, and that does 834 00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:43,200 Speaker 1: ward off this predatory senators. Yes, yeah, of course. So 835 00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:48,520 Speaker 1: this frill necked lizard is relatively long. It's just under 836 00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,120 Speaker 1: three ft long including the tail, so it's a little 837 00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,799 Speaker 1: under a meter long. It's you know, it's not like 838 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,480 Speaker 1: a small lizard. But but that is including its tail. 839 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,680 Speaker 1: And it's not like it's not beefy, it's not like muscular, 840 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,439 Speaker 1: so it's pretty skinny. It's relatively scrawny, so it's still 841 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,920 Speaker 1: vulnerable to predators. It lives in trees and it eats 842 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:12,320 Speaker 1: insects and small mice. But like, let's let's cut the bs. 843 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,839 Speaker 1: I know what everyone's here for. It is for the 844 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,560 Speaker 1: face frills, the neck frills. They have big flaps of 845 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,960 Speaker 1: skin all around their throat which they can spread like 846 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,200 Speaker 1: an umbrella when they feel threatened. So what they'll do 847 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,640 Speaker 1: is you, you you you anger, one of these guys. You 848 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,000 Speaker 1: scare them, they will do it. Pull a Jurassic Park 849 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,279 Speaker 1: like that little that little dinosaur that got really mad 850 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,400 Speaker 1: at Newman. They will open their mouths, which actually the 851 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,040 Speaker 1: inside of their mouths are like bright yellow um and 852 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,440 Speaker 1: then their frill has this bright orange and red color 853 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,160 Speaker 1: to make it visually stunning. So it's just like suddenly, boom, 854 00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,959 Speaker 1: big colorful umbrella opening up, meant to startle predators. So 855 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:59,080 Speaker 1: this neckbrella, as I like to call it, is supported 856 00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:03,120 Speaker 1: by cardial that is connected to the hioid bone. So 857 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,080 Speaker 1: we have a hyoid bone. If you feel like between 858 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,040 Speaker 1: like the base of your neck and your chin, you'll 859 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:12,920 Speaker 1: actually feel like it's a symmetrical bone that's actually kind 860 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,640 Speaker 1: of shaped like a horseshoe, so you can feel like 861 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,279 Speaker 1: a thick you know, be gentle, don't choke yourself, but 862 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:23,120 Speaker 1: you can feel this bone on your neck. In these lizards, 863 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:29,120 Speaker 1: the hyoid bone is like elongated, and that those elongated 864 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,800 Speaker 1: hals of that hyoid bone works like umbrella spokes to 865 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:39,160 Speaker 1: help expand the frill, and then it's further supported by cartilage. 866 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,239 Speaker 1: So basically, you know, it's sort of sort of like 867 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,360 Speaker 1: an umbrella method of action. I keep calling it an umbrella. 868 00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,800 Speaker 1: It works a bit like an umbrella. So not only 869 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,279 Speaker 1: is it used to fend off predators or competitors. It's 870 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:58,520 Speaker 1: also used in romance to seduce the lady. Oh, of 871 00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,640 Speaker 1: course worse because it's beautiful. I mean, if you're gonna 872 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,959 Speaker 1: get dressed up, you don't waste it. Also, something Martin 873 00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,400 Speaker 1: van Buren would do during mating would um would flap 874 00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:14,800 Speaker 1: out his sideburns romantically, and he used that to um 875 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:19,240 Speaker 1: attract females. Oh yeah, I mean you look at those 876 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:24,960 Speaker 1: sideburns in to me, I see attraction, I see seduction. 877 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:32,120 Speaker 1: Those just ray uh wyry, bushy sideburns. I think the 878 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,360 Speaker 1: word you're looking for is a raw sexual energy. When 879 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,200 Speaker 1: I think Martin van Buren, I think raw sexually. Yeah, 880 00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,600 Speaker 1: me too. I'm glad. I'm glad we agree on that. Yeah. Man, 881 00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,920 Speaker 1: who wouldn't want like a sexy umbrella dance from one 882 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:52,080 Speaker 1: of these lizards. I'd be seduced. Oh it's and you know, 883 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,919 Speaker 1: you know this lizard can like protect you and take 884 00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,480 Speaker 1: care of you and like in the rain, you know, 885 00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,919 Speaker 1: use his neck frills to TechEd you in the rain. 886 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm in As as the history books tell 887 00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,880 Speaker 1: us about Martin van Buren, like it was noted, he 888 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,240 Speaker 1: was quite a gentleman used his mutton chops to shield 889 00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,440 Speaker 1: ladies of the Senate from the rain. I'm joking, of course, 890 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:20,800 Speaker 1: because women weren't senators back then. Oh yeah, they weren't 891 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,360 Speaker 1: even allowed close to the They weren't even allowed to 892 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:30,000 Speaker 1: leave the house. So one more owl in this episode. 893 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,560 Speaker 1: This is the Eurasian eagle owl, who puffs up like 894 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:39,040 Speaker 1: an angry cat. Now what's interesting about this owl is 895 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,880 Speaker 1: they're quite big already. Uh So, they grew up to 896 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,160 Speaker 1: be about two and a half feet long, which is 897 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,560 Speaker 1: about seventy five cimeters, and they have a wingspan as 898 00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,680 Speaker 1: tall as a full grown human, which about six ft 899 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:58,640 Speaker 1: or one point eight meters. And they despite being relatively big, 900 00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:03,360 Speaker 1: they will still use a threat display when they feel upset, 901 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,160 Speaker 1: upset the spaghetti uh or when they feel threatened. So 902 00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,520 Speaker 1: it's this is evidence that like these these dimatic displays, 903 00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,960 Speaker 1: these these startle displays, are not just for animals that 904 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:20,560 Speaker 1: like are defenseless, like Eurasian eagle owls are are do 905 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,720 Speaker 1: have a lot of defenses. They are quite large, but 906 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:27,000 Speaker 1: still they want to avoid confrontation where they can so 907 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,640 Speaker 1: if something a larger predator is threatening them or even 908 00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,680 Speaker 1: another Eurasian eagle owl. They will use this defense, so 909 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,080 Speaker 1: you know they it's just like puffing up like a 910 00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:43,280 Speaker 1: big angry cat. I do believe owls are the kitty 911 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:48,200 Speaker 1: cats of the sky. Yes, because they're so grumpy. They're 912 00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,080 Speaker 1: perceiving them to be grumpy, and I honestly perceive I 913 00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,200 Speaker 1: love cats, but they're grumpy. They are very grumpy. I 914 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,960 Speaker 1: love cats too. That does not mean that they aren't 915 00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:03,440 Speaker 1: perpetually crotchety. Yeah, much like much like owls. Um I 916 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:07,200 Speaker 1: would say like owls. This is not to say that 917 01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,000 Speaker 1: owls make good pets. I'm sorry what Harry Potter has 918 01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,360 Speaker 1: taught you. They're not. They're not great pets. They're not loyal, 919 01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,919 Speaker 1: like in Harry Potter because Headwig was loyal, right, I mean, 920 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,400 Speaker 1: like how loyal is a cat? Take that and like 921 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:25,000 Speaker 1: cut it by like and you've got yourself an owl. 922 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,440 Speaker 1: But I mean, like some people do keep owls as pets. 923 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,920 Speaker 1: I just personally don't think that it's a great idea 924 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,720 Speaker 1: because they you know, they need like a lot of 925 01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,200 Speaker 1: space to fly around and to be able to hunt 926 01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,280 Speaker 1: and stuff, and so I don't really think they make 927 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,920 Speaker 1: ideal pets. It feels a little cruel to have an 928 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:47,960 Speaker 1: owl as a pet because they live to hunt and fly. Yeah, 929 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:52,080 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, birds of prey raptors have 930 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:57,800 Speaker 1: a very like there. I don't think they crave human affection. 931 01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:03,120 Speaker 1: They may enjoy, like I have definitely seen birds getting 932 01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,800 Speaker 1: their heads scratched and stuff. But like, um, you know, 933 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,840 Speaker 1: they may enjoy some of the things we can provide them, 934 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:15,040 Speaker 1: like food, shelter and like acceptable levels of head scratch ease, 935 01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,480 Speaker 1: but there's a lot that they need, and so I 936 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,280 Speaker 1: think that, like, I think there's a whole thing like 937 01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,440 Speaker 1: after Harry Potter, a lot of people wanted to keep 938 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,560 Speaker 1: owls as pets, and it was a big problem because 939 01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,520 Speaker 1: they were not expecting, you know, they were expecting the 940 01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,520 Speaker 1: kind of owl situation in the fantasy books where the 941 01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,160 Speaker 1: owls are magical and get you male and stuff. But 942 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,840 Speaker 1: I didn't just hang out in their tiny little cage 943 01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,960 Speaker 1: that Yeah. No, I mean, like, I wouldn't say that 944 01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,080 Speaker 1: there's no circumstance in which an owl can be kept 945 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,240 Speaker 1: by someone in a way that's like humane. Like, I 946 01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,280 Speaker 1: think there's probably ways like that. You can have animal 947 01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,840 Speaker 1: husbandry where people keep owls but they have enough space 948 01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,560 Speaker 1: for them to fly around and like it's not like 949 01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,360 Speaker 1: a tiny cage and stuff, and they're well aware of 950 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,040 Speaker 1: their needs and stuff. But I would say in most like, oh, 951 01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,760 Speaker 1: I want an owl in my apartment. It'll be great, 952 01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,800 Speaker 1: it'll be just like Harry Potter. Don't do it. Yeah, 953 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,320 Speaker 1: And the people I know who have birds as pets, 954 01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,640 Speaker 1: I'm thinking specifically of one friend. That bird that she has. 955 01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:20,280 Speaker 1: I guess it is like a cocke cockatoo. Cockat cockatos 956 01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,760 Speaker 1: are the ones with like little red cheeks and a 957 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,000 Speaker 1: little yellow on. I feel like that's what she has, 958 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,600 Speaker 1: and it's so social. The bird like loves her and 959 01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,560 Speaker 1: nuzzles her and stuff. And I'm like, yeah, that I see. 960 01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,880 Speaker 1: But the owl I don't. Birds of prey, birds of 961 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:42,120 Speaker 1: prayer not very social parrots uh generally speaking, like pair 962 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:48,160 Speaker 1: of keats, uh, cockatiels, cockatoos highly social in fact like that. 963 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,160 Speaker 1: That's what's interesting to me about keeping a parrot species 964 01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:56,280 Speaker 1: as pets is that they require huge amounts of attention 965 01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,600 Speaker 1: and affection. So like that's a whole other thing where 966 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,920 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say they make bad pets, but you have 967 01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,640 Speaker 1: to think about them as a huge responsibility, not just 968 01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,840 Speaker 1: in caring for them, but the amount of stimulation, attention, 969 01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,520 Speaker 1: and just general entertainment that they're gonna need, I think 970 01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,480 Speaker 1: it's probably even more than a dog. And you know 971 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,200 Speaker 1: how dogs need constant attention and affection like bird like 972 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:25,240 Speaker 1: some bird species like some types of cockatoos and maccaws 973 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,480 Speaker 1: and parrots. I mean, like one of the most um 974 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:34,480 Speaker 1: needy of like intellectual stimulation are African gray parrots and 975 01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,479 Speaker 1: they also, I would say often need to be kept 976 01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:41,920 Speaker 1: with another uh parrot of the same species as a companion. 977 01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,920 Speaker 1: So they are a huge, huge responsibility. I think a 978 01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,400 Speaker 1: lot of bird owners will agree with that that they 979 01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:53,040 Speaker 1: some of them like have intelligence that's similar to a toddler, 980 01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,840 Speaker 1: so yeah, and they will act like a toddler. And 981 01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,480 Speaker 1: they have beaks that can like crush shell um nuts 982 01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,480 Speaker 1: open so um, yeah you don't want to get yeah. Yeah. 983 01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,880 Speaker 1: So it's a you know, a big responsibility, even for 984 01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,480 Speaker 1: parents who I think can be happy with human owners 985 01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,560 Speaker 1: if they're treated well. Um. But something like a bird 986 01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,040 Speaker 1: of prey like an owl, I think it's not that 987 01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:22,040 Speaker 1: there would there's no way to like have an owl 988 01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,680 Speaker 1: in captivity and have it have a good life, but 989 01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:29,200 Speaker 1: it's it would be. It's hard, very hard to do. Yeah, 990 01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:34,480 Speaker 1: I'll stick with my dog. Yes, i will stick with 991 01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,480 Speaker 1: a dog. And then maybe I'll get a cat and 992 01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:41,959 Speaker 1: like put little owl wings on it. Yeah, right, cat, 993 01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,200 Speaker 1: the furrowed brow, like give them the little angry eyebrows. 994 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,760 Speaker 1: I mean, that's not hard with a cat. They already 995 01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,720 Speaker 1: kind of do that. Well. One last animal to talk 996 01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:56,880 Speaker 1: about before we go our fasmids, which sounds like we're 997 01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:01,600 Speaker 1: gonna start ghost hunting, but really they are just stick bugs. 998 01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:07,280 Speaker 1: So stick bugs are a group of insects who include 999 01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,480 Speaker 1: things like you know the stick bug that you think 1000 01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,400 Speaker 1: of from a bug's life that just looks like a long, 1001 01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:15,800 Speaker 1: thin stick. Some are green, some are brown, uh, some 1002 01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,120 Speaker 1: are actually leaf shaped, some are tiny, but some can 1003 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,720 Speaker 1: be like the length of your forearm. So there's a 1004 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,840 Speaker 1: huge amount of diversity within the phasmid species. And some 1005 01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,560 Speaker 1: even have wings and can fly, and some have little 1006 01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,680 Speaker 1: wings that are only used as display and they have 1007 01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:41,560 Speaker 1: some really interesting, uh startled display behaviors. So they do 1008 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:46,040 Speaker 1: like to rely on camouflage. So the you know, like, hey, 1009 01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:50,240 Speaker 1: I'm a stick, like, don't bother me. They do look 1010 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,360 Speaker 1: very convincing. Is very much like sticks exactly, and the 1011 01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,920 Speaker 1: ones that are sort of more leaf shaped, it's like 1012 01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,520 Speaker 1: hey I'm a leaf, or like hey I'm a thorny 1013 01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:02,880 Speaker 1: like match, like just leave me alone, leave me alone, 1014 01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:07,000 Speaker 1: but ump ump. But if that doesn't work, they will 1015 01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,120 Speaker 1: resort to a startle display. So here is an example. 1016 01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:15,160 Speaker 1: Peruphasma shoulta of Peru is a black stick bug, which 1017 01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,880 Speaker 1: may kind of look creepy and threatening to us because 1018 01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:24,360 Speaker 1: it's this jet black long bug with these bright yellowish 1019 01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:29,640 Speaker 1: green eyes, but you know it, it's that's doesn't necessarily 1020 01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:33,040 Speaker 1: translate to innate fear in animals who want to eat it, 1021 01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:37,240 Speaker 1: so and they are actually not threatening to humans at all. 1022 01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,320 Speaker 1: They just like to sip on nectar. If they are 1023 01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:45,040 Speaker 1: threatened by a predator, they will flash their wings, which, 1024 01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:49,760 Speaker 1: while comically small in proportion to their body and useless 1025 01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,920 Speaker 1: for flying, they actually have this bright red coloration that 1026 01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:58,280 Speaker 1: can be used to startle a potential predator. So it's 1027 01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,800 Speaker 1: just like someone's trying to sneak up on you and 1028 01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,000 Speaker 1: eat you, and you suddenly turn around and you flash 1029 01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,240 Speaker 1: these red flags at them to scare them off, kind 1030 01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,040 Speaker 1: of like bulls, right, Yeah, they do the red to 1031 01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,640 Speaker 1: make I guess it makes bulls angry. But still, something 1032 01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:16,760 Speaker 1: about the color red's interesting that it has this reaction 1033 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,520 Speaker 1: in the animal kingdom. I mean it's interesting because I 1034 01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,800 Speaker 1: think with it's a bit of a myth with bulls 1035 01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,720 Speaker 1: that the color red agitates them. I think it's just 1036 01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,320 Speaker 1: the Yeah, I don't even think they can really it's 1037 01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,200 Speaker 1: like distinguish red that much from other colors. It's probably 1038 01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,560 Speaker 1: just because red is bright enough that they can see 1039 01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,600 Speaker 1: it pretty well. It's it's more the it's not specifically red. 1040 01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:44,000 Speaker 1: It's just the action of the bullfighter waving something at 1041 01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:49,160 Speaker 1: them and agitating them. So they're just antagonizing them. Uh. Interesting, 1042 01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:53,360 Speaker 1: I fell for the misconception. You fell for it. You 1043 01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:57,040 Speaker 1: fell for it. But but it's not like a dumb 1044 01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:00,520 Speaker 1: thing to think, because like bees actually do get agitated 1045 01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:04,320 Speaker 1: by the color red actually because red and black are 1046 01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,480 Speaker 1: very similar to them, and when they see black, they 1047 01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:11,920 Speaker 1: think about animals who will invade their nests, like bears 1048 01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:16,000 Speaker 1: or or badgers or something that have that dark coloration, 1049 01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,799 Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, this is this is gonna invade 1050 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,120 Speaker 1: my nest. So if you wear a red shirt and 1051 01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,839 Speaker 1: you go and poke a beehive, they're gonna be be pst. 1052 01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,400 Speaker 1: Oh that's really good too, because you know, I poke 1053 01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:31,080 Speaker 1: a lot of bee hives. I know it, I'll wear 1054 01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,000 Speaker 1: like yellow. Yeah, I've been meaning to talk to you 1055 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,439 Speaker 1: about maybe not poking so many beehives. But yeah, you know, 1056 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,680 Speaker 1: I just want to hang out with them. It's not 1057 01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,400 Speaker 1: from any malice, right, dying, I'm just trying to see 1058 01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,240 Speaker 1: what's up, basically knocking on their front door, being like, 1059 01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,000 Speaker 1: hey bees, you want to hang exactly that. They never 1060 01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,200 Speaker 1: see it that way, but that's what, right, right, Well, 1061 01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:56,720 Speaker 1: you know, just keep trying. Yeah, definitely. One more thing 1062 01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,840 Speaker 1: about the proof pasma stick bugs is that they do 1063 01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:04,400 Speaker 1: have one defensive mechanism, which again is an irritating liquids, 1064 01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:08,160 Speaker 1: so that skunk. That skunk technique is so popular, So 1065 01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,960 Speaker 1: it's an irritating liquid they can spray from a gland 1066 01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,599 Speaker 1: near their heads, so they will do that if nothing 1067 01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,479 Speaker 1: else works. Um. There are other species of basman who 1068 01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:21,719 Speaker 1: will accompany the flashing of colorful wings with actually rubbing 1069 01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:26,040 Speaker 1: the wings together, which is called stridulation, which creates a 1070 01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:31,680 Speaker 1: buzzing sound like a bumblebee to scare off enemies. I 1071 01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,360 Speaker 1: don't know, that's that's a little spooky. They're like, I mean, 1072 01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,479 Speaker 1: it's like angry little noisemakers, like you know how you 1073 01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,160 Speaker 1: have the like like noisemakers that like do colorful things 1074 01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,880 Speaker 1: or like clacking to like colorful fans together to to 1075 01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,439 Speaker 1: scare something off. So it's kind of festive and menacing, 1076 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:55,840 Speaker 1: menacingly festive. Yeah. Yeah, they're like little moracas. TI means 1077 01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:59,200 Speaker 1: spiny leaf bug nymphs. Let's talk about that. That they 1078 01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,880 Speaker 1: sound cupe down they and they are to me they 1079 01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,880 Speaker 1: sound cute. They don't look cute. I'm sorry to the 1080 01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:11,799 Speaker 1: insect lovers of this podcast, but I struggle with bugs. 1081 01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:15,280 Speaker 1: I understand, but I think they look a little cute. 1082 01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:19,080 Speaker 1: Maybe I can win you over. So the nymphs, which 1083 01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:23,360 Speaker 1: is basically the baby version, will are They're quite small 1084 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:27,360 Speaker 1: and you know, about like less than the size of 1085 01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:31,160 Speaker 1: like your your thumb, like half the size of your thumb. 1086 01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,320 Speaker 1: I don't actually know how big your thumb is, but 1087 01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:37,360 Speaker 1: you know, under an inch long little little guys. They 1088 01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,080 Speaker 1: can actually and they they can start off being quite 1089 01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,639 Speaker 1: a bit smaller too. In fact, they can be close 1090 01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,920 Speaker 1: to the size of an ant. And because they're so 1091 01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:51,000 Speaker 1: small and they are potentially delicious to some sort of insectivore. 1092 01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,720 Speaker 1: They will curl up their posteriors, which makes their abdomens 1093 01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,800 Speaker 1: look round instead of the skinny kind of stick bug 1094 01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,720 Speaker 1: shape that they are, so predators will confuse them for 1095 01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:05,120 Speaker 1: an ant, and nobody wants to mess with ants, because 1096 01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,000 Speaker 1: you know how aunts are you like mess with one? 1097 01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,719 Speaker 1: They call their like five thousand sisters who come over 1098 01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,599 Speaker 1: and like give you a stern talking to and buy you. Yeah, 1099 01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:20,400 Speaker 1: they rolled deep. Okay, I made a mistake. I think 1100 01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,080 Speaker 1: that's very cute that they curl their butt. And I 1101 01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:28,839 Speaker 1: Google image searched these spiny bugs and I accidentally found 1102 01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:34,080 Speaker 1: a giant spiny stick bug. Yeah, the adults I can see. 1103 01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,200 Speaker 1: I think they're cool, but I wouldn't describe them as cute, 1104 01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:41,880 Speaker 1: describe them as interesting. The giant ones are the size 1105 01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,960 Speaker 1: of a human hand, and that's that's a big bug. 1106 01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:51,040 Speaker 1: So spiny leaf insect adults have a little bit more 1107 01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,840 Speaker 1: money where their mouth is in terms of startle displays. 1108 01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:58,400 Speaker 1: So they first of all release an odor that I 1109 01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:02,440 Speaker 1: guess smells like toffee, which is meant to ward off predators, 1110 01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,920 Speaker 1: but for me, it would have the opposite effect, like 1111 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:11,400 Speaker 1: someone's cooking something, making some cookies. So they do have 1112 01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:15,320 Speaker 1: sharp spines all over their bodies and on its rear legs, 1113 01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,880 Speaker 1: so they curl up their abdomen similar to the babies, 1114 01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,320 Speaker 1: but instead of making them look like an ant, it 1115 01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,679 Speaker 1: just makes them look bigger and chunkier and more threatening. 1116 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,479 Speaker 1: And it's like, since they're all covered in spines, it's 1117 01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:31,120 Speaker 1: like displaying all these little little spikes which normally are 1118 01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,439 Speaker 1: used as a form of camouflage to make them look 1119 01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,760 Speaker 1: like a thorny branch uh and and but once they 1120 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,559 Speaker 1: are discovered like, hey, you're not a branch, you're an insect. 1121 01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,400 Speaker 1: And they're like, ah ha, but I still have all 1122 01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:45,000 Speaker 1: these thorns, so you better not bother me. And so 1123 01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,960 Speaker 1: they will basically like move their back legs like pincers 1124 01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:53,040 Speaker 1: as a threat display, and they do like they can't 1125 01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,000 Speaker 1: actually poke you with them, and like a thorn, they 1126 01:12:56,120 --> 01:13:00,200 Speaker 1: can't actually hurt you. So you know that there. It's 1127 01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,920 Speaker 1: just because it's a bit of bluffing, like overstating how 1128 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,240 Speaker 1: dangerous they are. It doesn't mean they can't do a 1129 01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:10,680 Speaker 1: little bit of damage. Yeah, So they're not real pincers. 1130 01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,679 Speaker 1: They just make it look like pincers, right, but their 1131 01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:18,720 Speaker 1: back legs and they're covered in spikes, so they work like, yeah, 1132 01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,400 Speaker 1: that's enough enough for me to stay away exactly Before 1133 01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:26,000 Speaker 1: we go, I do want to do show you this 1134 01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:33,040 Speaker 1: artwork that I found that is by an artist named 1135 01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:41,280 Speaker 1: Nicole Bannowits who does inflatable artworks. So it's like big 1136 01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:47,479 Speaker 1: inflatable costumes and this she has all sorts of like weird. 1137 01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:53,800 Speaker 1: It's like sort of organic horror sci fi looking stuff. 1138 01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,640 Speaker 1: And I'll include a link in the show notes, or 1139 01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:01,960 Speaker 1: you could google Nicole Banno wits Uh. And this is 1140 01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:06,519 Speaker 1: called the Stinded Defense a dimatic behavior. So what we're 1141 01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,520 Speaker 1: talking about, And it's a person in like a costume 1142 01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,920 Speaker 1: that it has just a bunch of like inflatable spikes 1143 01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:17,120 Speaker 1: and then what looks like a scorpion singer coming off 1144 01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,360 Speaker 1: of her head. It looks a little bit like a 1145 01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,800 Speaker 1: thing from like the thing, you know, the titular thing 1146 01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,680 Speaker 1: from the thing. It looks like a kind of like 1147 01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:34,160 Speaker 1: an alien, yeah, like a white alien, yeah, but creature 1148 01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:38,680 Speaker 1: like a like a bug, just really big. It's an 1149 01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:43,640 Speaker 1: uncomfortable looking costume, but it's I guess it's all inflatable, 1150 01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,519 Speaker 1: so it's not actually too spiky. But yeah, I just 1151 01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:50,360 Speaker 1: I love that. So this artist's work is inspired by 1152 01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:55,320 Speaker 1: actual evolutionary biology, so by a dimatic behavior, and she's 1153 01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,200 Speaker 1: got all sorts of art in there she think is 1154 01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,600 Speaker 1: really interesting. But yeah, I love that. I love it 1155 01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:03,599 Speaker 1: when artists are inspired by nature in interesting ways. I mean, 1156 01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:07,000 Speaker 1: they're beautiful. It is kind of spooky and scary looking 1157 01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:12,519 Speaker 1: these costumes, but they're also just gorgeous. Yeah. How cool 1158 01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:19,760 Speaker 1: to be inspired by these like natural systems of defense. No, exactly, 1159 01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,200 Speaker 1: I love it. So that's I wanted to share that 1160 01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:27,799 Speaker 1: with you guys because I think it is really cool. Well, Anna, 1161 01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,519 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me today. This was 1162 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:34,000 Speaker 1: so fun, This was so far learned so much. I 1163 01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:37,559 Speaker 1: feel a little more like inspired to handle my angry 1164 01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,840 Speaker 1: dog right now, because you know, she it's it's not 1165 01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,200 Speaker 1: her fault. Now, she's got like a little lizard base 1166 01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,240 Speaker 1: flap situation going on with the phone. Yeah, just tell 1167 01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,240 Speaker 1: her she looks like Martin van Buren and she'll know, 1168 01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:52,400 Speaker 1: and she she'll know what I We'll take it as 1169 01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:56,679 Speaker 1: a compliment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So thank you so much. Yeah, 1170 01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:58,840 Speaker 1: I'm glad we could work through some anger issues here. 1171 01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:03,120 Speaker 1: I think as you saw she's just e's in a mood. 1172 01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:08,400 Speaker 1: We've made a lot of progress to Yeah, well, where 1173 01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:12,680 Speaker 1: can people find you? You can find me on Instagram 1174 01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:17,800 Speaker 1: at bad Comics with an X by Anna with two ends. 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