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Speaker 1: We're back with another episode of Big Blue Kickoff Live

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Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot Com. I am John Schmelt

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Speaker 1: The Giants fall on Thursday Night Football, Paul. They lose

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Speaker 1: to the New England Patriots thirty five to fourteen. Though

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Speaker 1: non indicative of how the game went, it was fourteen

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Speaker 1: fourteen the second quarter, a touchdown game heading into the fourth,

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Speaker 1: and the Giants defense did a great job with a

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Speaker 1: bend but don't break philosophy. Uh. Two of those Patriot

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Speaker 1: touchdowns came on the special teams on a block punt,

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Speaker 1: one on an interception return, and fumble return for a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: So the defense really did as well as they could

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Speaker 1: to keep this team in the game for as long

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Speaker 1: as they possibly could. In this game, well, I like

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Speaker 1: to look at the drive chart. That's one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite things to do after the official play back game

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Speaker 1: book comes out, um, following the game, and and and

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm always very interested into seeing number of plays,

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Speaker 1: how many double digit playing drives there were in this

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Speaker 1: case the Patriots had two, And how many drives are

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Speaker 1: longer than sixty yards and in this case the Patriots

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Speaker 1: had three. Um, I'm I'm okay with those numbers. Those

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Speaker 1: are not those are respectable numbers. One Again, I'm not

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Speaker 1: not making the I'm not trying to make the point.

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Speaker 1: If I sounded that way, I apologize that the defense

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Speaker 1: was tremendous and they carried the team, but they did

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Speaker 1: well enough situationally to keep points off the board. Yes,

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Speaker 1: totally concur And I think the thing that really boggled

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Speaker 1: my mind when you look at the first five Patriots possessions,

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Speaker 1: no scores zero, I mean, yeah, you can't ask for

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Speaker 1: more than that going into into Foxboro. Can't. And look

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Speaker 1: one wasn't turned over on down to the Patriots did

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Speaker 1: drive at fifty three yards and then they couldn't convert

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Speaker 1: a they I believe it was a third and three

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Speaker 1: and one on that first drive they couldn't converted. Dalvin

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Speaker 1: Thomason made a couple of nice plays. David Mayo made

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Speaker 1: a nice play on the fourth down, um, so that

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Speaker 1: was a good stop. Then they forced a three and

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Speaker 1: out in a punt. You with the interception. Then on

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Speaker 1: the just a terrible I don't know what Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: was trying to do throwing that bowl of the middle

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Speaker 1: of Edelman because he was open and he just kind

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Speaker 1: of threw it to the outside shoulder the Jenkins was

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Speaker 1: a very odd throw. And then the Giants forced punts

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Speaker 1: on their next two possessions. And the problem, Paul, is

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Speaker 1: that after all that five possessions, five no scores for

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Speaker 1: the Patriots still zero zero. Yeah. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I tell people this all the time, and I say

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Speaker 1: this a lot in the club for you folks who

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Speaker 1: are at home teams. All the team was always going

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Speaker 1: to the club at night. By the way, that's where

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Speaker 1: he goes. He's always clubbing. You have me and Figgles,

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Speaker 1: that's the stadium club. He's talking the stadium club. Following

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Speaker 1: home games. You know, the Giants postgame live show on MSG.

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Speaker 1: Jeff and I are down to the stadium club, we

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Speaker 1: take questions and we do a chalk talk with the fans,

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Speaker 1: and then we also try to do at least one

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Speaker 1: player interview live on the MSG show. I've said this

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Speaker 1: to those folks many times, John, Maybe I haven't said

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Speaker 1: it enough on Big Blue Kickolf Live. But one of

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Speaker 1: the things that you have to do as a mediocre

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Speaker 1: You need to be able to control the tempo and

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Speaker 1: the flow and the tenor of the game. It is

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Speaker 1: more than monumental, especially when you're going up against an

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Speaker 1: that didn't happen in this game, and that is precisely why. Okay,

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Speaker 1: as of as of halftime, it was eighteen forty three

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Speaker 1: You can argue they did in the second half period

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Speaker 1: because the first Patriots possession in the second half ago

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Speaker 1: they even nine play forty eight yard drive, then a

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Speaker 1: this case, in the first half, it wasn't. You can

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Speaker 1: point right at the offense because much like you looked

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Speaker 1: at the Patriots drive chart, I'm going to give you

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Speaker 1: Three plays nine yards, punt, two plays, three yards, pick,

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Speaker 1: That even they're scoring drive three plays seventy five yards score.

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Speaker 1: not great. I think, if I'm looking at this chart right, pull,

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Speaker 1: the key to this, say is they had eight possessions

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Speaker 1: just not not a good idea. And there one score

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Speaker 1: possession was based. But the way the Patriots are playing defense, Paul,

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Speaker 1: of scrimmage in their cornerbacks did a great job contesting

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Speaker 1: In order to beat that defense, you eventually to take

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Speaker 1: I really would like to have seen would Barkly as

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Speaker 1: I fell Ingram into the mix there too, Paul, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I want to see Ingram against their linebackers potentially Ingram too.

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Speaker 1: Barkley is just such a special breed, though, and he

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Speaker 1: can he can make magic happen coming out of the backfield.

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Speaker 1: I I would like to have seen what might might

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Speaker 1: have happened, But hey, it is what it is, all right.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about a couple of their aspects of

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Speaker 1: the defense. They continue with the strategy they've been using, Paul.

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Speaker 1: They didn't blitz a lot. They played a lot of

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Speaker 1: earned their way up and down the field. They tackled

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Speaker 1: They stole a couple of blips here there where they

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Speaker 1: it was better than it was against Minnesota. Agreed, that's

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Speaker 1: Maybe that was the offense that was a lugly game,

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Speaker 1: And this is not an excuse, it's a fact. You

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Speaker 1: right now. Uh, next Gen stats in Pro Football Focus

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Speaker 1: had Daniel Jones more than half I think sixteen of

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Speaker 1: And it was the highest number of tight window throws

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Speaker 1: But the Patriots secondary is just that good and it

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Speaker 1: stack deck here to your point, Okay, um Ingram usually

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Speaker 1: or maybe he was showing some significant decline last year

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Speaker 1: still do. It's really good. I agree. Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you can make the mistakes that he

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Speaker 1: made in the game. And Patrimmer made that point the

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Speaker 1: postgame press conference. Look, the first interception, he threw up

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Speaker 1: by Gilmore high and behind. Take correct. It happens. Look,

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Speaker 1: quarterback is gonna make an accurate throws. It happens. It's

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Speaker 1: a physical mistake. Okay, obviously you don't want them, and

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Speaker 1: the better quarterback you have, the fewer physical mistakes they make,

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Speaker 1: It's just a bathroom and turned into a pick. Now,

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Speaker 1: the next two are things that need to get cleaned up.

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Speaker 1: The second interception, they run a play action to the right.

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Speaker 1: played it perfectly. Taytan Slayton. We're both running thirty yard

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Speaker 1: away where they're telling the world, look, we're just not

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Speaker 1: gonna do anything the rule. Throw the flag all you want. Well,

429
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Speaker 1: maybe that's what they're trying to set up for after

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Speaker 1: the year. Yeah, get the big thing a white out,

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Speaker 1: the giant thing a white out, and just packed over

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Speaker 1: the whole rule. And by the way, the other thing

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Speaker 1: on that play that Joe was talking about that I

434
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Speaker 1: haven't seen many people bring up if anyone Daniel Jones

435
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 1: got roughed. Yeah. John showed me the video on that

436
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 1: play where we were on the plane coming back. One

437
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 1: of them Acquardy brothers came in on a blitz and

438
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 1: literally doved his knees and it was forcible contact below

439
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Speaker 1: the knee, which is a penalty in this league. It's

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Speaker 1: only that it is emphasized. Yes, safety for the quarterback

441
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: that is a huge point of emphasis. And all by

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Speaker 1: the way, the quarterback is back there all by himself

443
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Speaker 1: with no one to block the vision of anybody. You

444
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 1: could see it clearly, clear as day. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: just no way to miss that. And looking at it

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Speaker 1: on tape, me and Paul don't know how Daniel Jones

447
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 1: didn't injure himself on that play. It was scary. It

448
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 1: looked like the Roethlisberger play from the play against the

449
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Speaker 1: pay Raiders No Bengals, when I don't think it was perfect.

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Speaker 1: It was the kid with the German name came in

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Speaker 1: and he Von Von like that, Yeah, And he came in,

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Speaker 1: he went low and he kind of bent Roethlisberger's knee

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Speaker 1: back and he popped the legament. He was done, and

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Speaker 1: that's what it looked like. Now Daniel Jones is not done.

455
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,239
Speaker 1: He's fine. I saw him in the lock him back

456
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Speaker 1: to the game. He's good. But boy, that was a

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Speaker 1: dangerous play. Yeah, it really was. When John showed me

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Speaker 1: to replay at first, because when when I was I'm

459
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: always lined up on the other side of the ball

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Speaker 1: on the field. I want the action coming to me

461
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Speaker 1: so I can't see the backfield. And then when you

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Speaker 1: showed it to me, my jaw dropped. I remember seeing it.

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Speaker 1: I want you to play it again. I'm like, look

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Speaker 1: at that well, and everybody's looking at these that's the

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Speaker 1: past interference call. So everyone's looking at the past interference

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Speaker 1: call and they're not looking at the quarterback. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: two five, one three, salon Queen's what's up, Sally, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: how are we today? We're great? Sal's up? Hi? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Two things real quick, that really bugged meat effort from

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Speaker 1: the team. Really, you know, we all expected it said

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Speaker 1: probably not be a way, and I think the team

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Speaker 1: showed a lot off. Are not of grid, So definitely

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Speaker 1: happy in that regards. But the two things the first

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Speaker 1: was the first third down of the game on offensive

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Speaker 1: third and one, and they went into five wide no

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Speaker 1: threat of the one. I mean, I gotta be honest,

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what Pat Sherman's philosophy is. He's

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Speaker 1: either in shotgun or big set every down He's never

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Speaker 1: there's not a lot of variety. And that's that's actually

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Speaker 1: the definition of variety. But the same vision for the team. No,

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Speaker 1: but if you're in either shotgun or you're in big people,

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Speaker 1: isn't that the definition of variety. No, that's one of two.

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Speaker 1: That's two options. Well, you're either gonna go a lot

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Speaker 1: of wide receiver a lot of big people. I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't understand what your other choices

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Speaker 1: are if you're either gonna go with small people or

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Speaker 1: big people. Like what else he gonna do? Run out

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Speaker 1: of multiple different formations. Those are different formations. You're literally

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Speaker 1: talking about different formations. No, No, No, those personnel groupings

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Speaker 1: informations are two different things. Fall uh duh. If you

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Speaker 1: have multiple tight ends, are they being lined up out

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Speaker 1: wide and wide receiver? Are they on the line of scrimmage?

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Speaker 1: The second thing that No, it's just what we're not

494
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Speaker 1: gonna agree. So so why black over and down fourteen

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Speaker 1: and the coach decides to pump the ball towards the defense? No, look, look,

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Speaker 1: look and frankly, I I understand your point on the

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Speaker 1: on the empty backfield thing too. I wasn't arguing that

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Speaker 1: specific play. I'm just saying in general, you know your

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Speaker 1: your other larger point I disagree with, and look, if

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Speaker 1: you wanted to go from that fourth until I get it, Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna argue that point either.

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Speaker 1: Uh My thought is what coach Hermer was thinking there,

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Speaker 1: and he didn't give a detailed answer after the game.

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Speaker 1: So this is simply conjecture on my part that I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking that he probably saw the offense struggle all game.

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Speaker 1: I think there were two of ten on third down,

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Speaker 1: two of nine, and being that buried deep in your zone,

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Speaker 1: he just didn't think his team was going to be

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Speaker 1: a little converted. I understand your dad. Of the game,

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Speaker 1: you're down two scores. It's your only told sal I

511
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Speaker 1: get it. I'm not gonna argue any of those points.

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Speaker 1: I understand where you're coming from. I'm just trying to

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Speaker 1: give you what I think the coach is probably thinking

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Speaker 1: about it. Even situationally, you gotta if it's third and two,

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Speaker 1: now you've got to be looking at that as two

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Speaker 1: down scenario. Yeah, I think on third down as opposed

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Speaker 1: to uh, you know, fide lines. I know, if we

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Speaker 1: don't know a play called but a sideline for all

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Speaker 1: low percentage play say, I'm actually gonna drop up the

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Speaker 1: line because I gotta go. I like the Thanko podcast,

521
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: but I'm actually a Net fan. Through one episode about

522
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: the best team in New York basketball, let's talk about

523
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Speaker 1: the book on Nets. We actually have a shot this year.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, and sal I've only played some regular

525
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Speaker 1: season games and and look, the Nets probably better than Nicks,

526
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Speaker 1: and that's fine than they should be. But without Kevin

527
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Speaker 1: Duran healthy, I don't think that's are doing any real

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Speaker 1: damage the show. No, not at all. They might make

529
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Speaker 1: the playoffs, but don't have to do any damage in

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Speaker 1: there any To go back to those two plays for

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Speaker 1: just the second janitor the the fourth quarter play third

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Speaker 1: and two from the Giant's own thirty three, and they

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Speaker 1: run a long pass down the left sideline for Slayton,

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Speaker 1: which was defended very well. Now it seems to me

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Speaker 1: that you're throwing that long pass on third and two

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Speaker 1: because you're probably thinking that you're gonna go for fourth

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Speaker 1: and two. Usually that's the philosophy there, right, So you'll

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Speaker 1: take your shot and knowing you're gonna run your short

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Speaker 1: thing on fourth down. So I think, to me, that's

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Speaker 1: where the confusion is, that if you set up with

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Speaker 1: that long pass on third and two, you're setting up

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Speaker 1: the fact that you're gonna go for fourth. That's why

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Speaker 1: I was surprised and caught off guard when they pointed,

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Oh, I look, I'm not arguing.

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Speaker 1: I'm little. I'll buy that that second guess because I

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Speaker 1: think it's I think it's a first guess. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: that's that. That would be my my take on that

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Speaker 1: scenario and how that situation played out. And I'm watching

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Speaker 1: the play right now. By the way, the Patriots in

550
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Speaker 1: single high, they're playing man to man. Uh, they rush

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Speaker 1: only three and there is nobody open there. There's nobody

552
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: opened very well defensively. Now, having said that, the coverage

553
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: was blanket coverage, it was great coverage, and some people

554
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Speaker 1: want interference on that. That was not interference. That was

555
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: how fighting. That was just good defense. But but again

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Speaker 1: my point is usually in that situation, you're gonna throw

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Speaker 1: the ball deep thinking you're gonna go for fourth down.

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Speaker 1: So from a philosophical perspective, the the the schedule of

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Speaker 1: events on those two plays would lead people to say,

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Speaker 1: why didn't you go for fourth down? And I got that.

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Speaker 1: Okay again on the same like I said, I wasn't

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Speaker 1: arguing with them on on those individuals the other one.

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Speaker 1: And you know me, I'm a trenches guy. I think

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Speaker 1: you need to make statements in the trenches on short

565
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Speaker 1: Yordage place. So I'm actually going to agree with the

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Speaker 1: caller that I would like to have on the third

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Speaker 1: play of the game, throwd in one from the Giants

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Speaker 1: Owe seven. They wind up going with a right rollout

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Speaker 1: and he and he tries to hit and they started

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Speaker 1: Perkins in the backfield and motioned them out. Correct, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't Perkins. I'm not parking. I'm sorry, you said Perkins

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Speaker 1: before hilemanian Um, Now here's the interesting part about this play. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you watch the pressure and now he's got a roll

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Speaker 1: and he tries to hit Ellison, and you know it's funny,

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00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: he actually did not have the ball out of the

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Speaker 1: pocket there. He actually ran you talking about the bad thing,

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00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: and quarterbacks can do that at young guys. That's only

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00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: a three man rushed there, Paul. He did not have

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Speaker 1: to ball out of the pocket when he get it.

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Speaker 1: He could have hit golden tape over the middle there. Possibly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now we don't know what his field division was, but

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Speaker 1: it looks like from there. No ideasably all right now,

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00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: But here's the thing in terms of why did they

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Speaker 1: call a pass play in that situation? The play before

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00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: is a second and one after Slayton gets nine yards

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00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: on the first play from scrimmage and Hellaman gets stuffed

587
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: for off thing correct and and I think coaches thinking

588
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: at that point, and this is conjecture. I'm not saying

589
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: I agree with it, but I'm trying to make a

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Speaker 1: rationale out of it. Hillman gets absolutely slammed for no gain,

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Speaker 1: and so he's thinking, Okay, third and one. They probably

592
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Speaker 1: think we're gonna run the ball, they're gonna stuff it,

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Speaker 1: So why don't we try something a little a little different.

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Speaker 1: So what does he do? He takes Hillman and he

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Speaker 1: runs him out of the backfield to create the empty

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Speaker 1: backfield set. Not only because he maybe wants to change

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Speaker 1: it up there and tries to fool them, but also

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Speaker 1: because by sending Hillman out in making an empty set

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Speaker 1: and sending him in emotion, he's also trying to identify

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Speaker 1: what the Patriots defense is going to be on the

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00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: play right, which ended up being man to man and

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00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: the play they if the folks, if you remember the

603
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Speaker 1: first drive the Giants had against the Vikings last week,

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Speaker 1: they went forward on a fourth in two inside Vikings

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00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: territory around the twenty five yartists yard line, but you

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00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: remember the play they were in positive territory. They tried

607
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: to do the same thing and they hit Sterling Shepard

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Speaker 1: then a little quick out to the left. Well, if

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Speaker 1: you look at his first read on this play, they

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00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: run that same exact action for Golden Tape. The difference

611
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Speaker 1: is that the cornerback is all over him and chance

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Speaker 1: no no. If he throws the past, it's pick sixes.

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Speaker 1: And the defensive lineman gets his hand up in the

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00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: passing lane as Jones is looking over there too, So

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00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: that's not there. Once that first read wasn't there, Jones

616
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: got a little Lancey, tried to roll out he actually

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Speaker 1: had Ellison could not get him the ball accurately for

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00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: that first down. So look, it was a play that

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Speaker 1: didn't work. It worked the week before, the Patriots did

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00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: their homework on it, and what happens. Look what I

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Speaker 1: consider running play action there next time and you're rolling

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Speaker 1: him out maybe or something like that. Shore But look,

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Speaker 1: you know me, We've done the show a long time.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a play caller. Paul is not a play caller.

625
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: There's so many details that go into this stuff that

626
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: maybe they saw this type of play work well against

627
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: the Patriots on third and short and weeks past. Maybe

628
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: it's on the tape and it works. I just I

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Speaker 1: hate to comment on individual play calls because I know

630
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: they know so much more than we'll do in those

631
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: situations that I feel like I'm speaking from ignorance, you

632
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I would only add that, as

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Speaker 1: somebody who does usually like to smash mouth a short

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Speaker 1: yard of situation like this, that is usually my amo

635
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: my philosophy, I will say I can absolutely see the

636
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: logic in what they did by going the other way.

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Speaker 1: I do see a there is a process there that

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Speaker 1: that against my grain necessary potentially, but I understand it

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Speaker 1: two one nine four or five on three. Let's go

640
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Speaker 1: back to the busy phone and say what's up to

641
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Speaker 1: del Dana Nolans, what's up, Delo, what's going on? I'm sorry,

642
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: what's up? Man? Hello, I'm just reading names off the screen. Baby,

643
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So as in as in below, there we go.

644
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: I got you. So, I mean I've been listening to y'all,

645
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: and y'all covering a couple of my points, so I

646
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: only have three. Okay, okay. My first is Daniel jald

647
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: did okay, given the circumstances, you know he throwing into

648
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: uh very three win. Uh. You don't have a receiver

649
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: that can fight for the ball. You know that Darius

650
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: Slayton had a comeback route. Yeah, he didn't come back

651
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: to and it was almost picked yeah. Below. I think

652
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: this was a really good learning experience for Slayton as

653
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: well as as good as the Vikings corners were last week,

654
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,239
Speaker 1: they were not as physical as the Patriots corners were

655
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 1: this week in terms of going after the ball at

656
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: the catch point. And I think it was a nice

657
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: lesson for Slayton. And I think you made a great

658
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: point how you have to be physical at the catch

659
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: point in order to make some of those contested catches.

660
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: I think you make a great point. I always like

661
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: to say, you need to attack the ball. Okay, defensive acts.

662
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: When you talk about having good ball skills, one of

663
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: those ball skills is attacking the ball. Well, receivers need

664
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: to also say sometimes, well, let's see what's the mentality

665
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: of that dB, Well, I need to out attack the ball.

666
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: You gotta get your hands outside your body, don't let

667
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: it get into your teach your chest, in your stomach.

668
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: So and he's a rookie. He's a rookie, So I say,

669
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: good learning experience. Absolutely. Okay. My next thing is um

670
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: for the last few games that ste Kwa Embarkment has

671
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: been injured and we had to suffer with Watson Hillerman

672
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: miss holes and run with his eyes closed and run

673
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: up the backs of offensive alignment. When Elijah Penny got in,

674
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: he averaged like three or four yards to carry running

675
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: up the middle. So why are we using him on

676
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: tosses and screenplays when his strong point is running up

677
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: the middle using his body and his hour get one

678
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 1: toss play right? Yeah? And in fact only three carries

679
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: the whole game for six yards. I mean, I don't,

680
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that making the generalization that

681
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: you've made is really a pertinent or appropriate in this

682
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: particular situation. But but I will say this, Hilloman obviously

683
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: does not have the experience that Penny has. Uh. He

684
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: does not have the frame that Penny has. He's a

685
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: more frame. Penny's sturdy. He's got a sturdy frame. Helen's

686
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: not a big He's got more power, and he's got

687
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: a sturdier frame. And and quite honestly, again, as I

688
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: noted earlier in the program, I'm a bit concerned with

689
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: with Hilloman's ball security issue. Hillman six WI He's listed

690
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: at six ft Heilliman, I wouldn't think that by looking

691
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: at him, that's interesting. He does not have the framework

692
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: now Penny six, now Penny six. He does not have

693
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: the framework of Penny. I'm not gonna call Hilloman small.

694
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm simply gonna say he doesn't have the frame that Penny.

695
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think that Heleman was that big just looking

696
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: at him. Anyway, Go ahead and be will what's your

697
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: last point? Okay, I think you got my last one

698
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: with the Daniel Jones. Uh, when you say you didn't

699
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: have to run out the pocket, maybe That's the play

700
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: I was thinking about, because I was going to say,

701
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: why is he doing the naked bo when we didn't

702
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: establish a running game, or why did he put the

703
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: tight end on that side? But I think LANs just

704
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: explained that when a few minutes ago, when Daniel Jones

705
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: just ran out of the pocket, he didn't have to,

706
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: So maybe that's what it was. No. Lance isn't here today,

707
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: but thank you appreciate the call that John. John John

708
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: was going through that piece of video just a few

709
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: moments ago. For those of you who may have joined

710
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: us late up the hard part for me there, John,

711
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: And again we always try to preface everything that we

712
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: say by telling people that we can't see everything, especially

713
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: since in this particular instance we don't have the viewpoint

714
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: that the quarterback has. Of course, so did he have

715
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: a dirty windshield? Maybe I don't know the answer to that,

716
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: and it's hard to say, but if he had a

717
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: dirty windshield, you understand why he would have taken the role. Sure,

718
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: and look he again, even on the rollout, he had

719
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: a chance to complete the path as to Alison, did

720
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: he just he just didn't get it there that time

721
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: he threw it to him. He was at so far

722
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: that the second defender came over was a tough wrangle.

723
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: What happens. The Patriots are good defense. That that's the

724
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: other thing. Historically, By the way there, I know their

725
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: opponents have been terrible. Dude, do you guys understand they've

726
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: held teams to twelve percent on third downs? The Giants

727
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: are two for ten. It made the Patriots tart down

728
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: defense worse? Yes, Um, it's nuts. How many times you

729
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: ever heard this over the years. They get paid to.

730
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: Not only do they get paid, they are outstanding. Marcus

731
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: in Arizona. He's up next day, Marcus doing Marcus, what's

732
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: on your mind? Well, I guess you kind of hit

733
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: on some of it. And I know you guys don't

734
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: want to talk about the reps, But did you guys

735
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: notice on that Jenkins interception that Edelman like horse collar

736
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: tackle or Halio who was there right after the interception

737
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: and we got the flag? I mean, come on, I didn't.

738
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: I didn't see a horse I didn't. I didn't see Yeah,

739
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: I didn't see a horse collar on the play. I

740
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: did thought I thought maybe Jenkins got wrapped up a

741
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: little late out of bounds. But even with that, if

742
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: you're Marcus Golden. You can't go and hit somebody late

743
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: like that. You just can't because a lot of times

744
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: people will see the response, they're not going to see

745
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: the initial act. But Marcus, I hear, I hear what

746
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: you're coming from on that. Yeah. I mean it seems

747
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: like every time they were relevant, the rest shoot us

748
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: in the foot in the last ten years. But I

749
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: am thankful that every team says that it's not over

750
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: in October this year. I mean, we're doing okay, right,

751
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: Like ye season was over in October, even though mathematically

752
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't, but to be honest, the season was over.

753
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: So at least we're playing relevant football. Yeah. What what

754
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: about the offense though, because even though we're doing better

755
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones, I think our offense is only putting

756
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: up like fourteen needs a game outside of the Tampa

757
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: Bay game. And I mean, does does Sula need to

758
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: take over play calling? Because I get the I get

759
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: home thing too, because the third and two in the

760
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: fourth and two, it's okay to throw the ball deep

761
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go for it on fourth, but you

762
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 1: just gave the game away after plunning it. Essentially, even

763
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: though the defense played great and it was a great

764
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: fifty one minutes of football. Cannot be disappointed of the

765
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: first fifty one minutes of that game by any chance.

766
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: Any well, Marcus, I mean, look, it's a home game

767
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: against the Cardinals in a week and a half, and

768
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: I think, reasonably speaking, that is a winnable game. Uh,

769
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: And I still believe that. You know, a lot of

770
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: folks are very high on the Lions. But I think

771
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: going out to Detroit the following week, you know, with

772
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: with some health back, you believe Barkley will be back

773
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: by then. You you'd like to believe that big test

774
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: this week for Detroit they played green band question, and

775
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: you'd like to believe the Angle will be back? Yeah,

776
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: you know. So, I'm gonna tell you something again, I've

777
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: been crying out two and two first quarter, two and

778
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: two second quarter, Giants will be four and four after

779
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: eight games. That is still a very real possibility. So

780
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: what's start to cry about? Ectaticate for and for that

781
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. I mean, if you think

782
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: about it, you could have Golden Tape, Evan Ingram, take

783
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: Kwon and Sterling out wide, with Wayne Goldman in the backfield.

784
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: We should be undefensible when everybody's healthy, I mean on paper,

785
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: but offense and defense, on paper, we should be six.

786
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: And oh no, no no no no no, no no no,

787
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: don't go don't don't go there. And by the way,

788
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: I thought the offensive line did okay lesson no, I

789
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: thought they did a good job. And they did give

790
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: up eight quarterback hits, and usually you're gonna say to yourself,

791
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: well eight's a little much. But in talking to one

792
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: of the Patriots of front office people before the game,

793
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: and we were realistically discussing how the Giants offensive line

794
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: had a poor game against Minnesota, but up until that

795
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: point had played well, and I thought they played a

796
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: lot better against the Patriots, and they did against the

797
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: Vikings without question. And going in, going in the Patriots

798
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,959
Speaker 1: fellow and I were surmising, well, let's see, how great

799
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: have those Patriots defender has been playing, how the Giants

800
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: offensive lineman been playing. What's a reasonable number? And we

801
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: came to the conclusion that it would be somewhere between

802
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: six and eight quarterback hits was probably gonna be a

803
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: reasonable number, and the Patriots were gonna hope to get

804
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: maybe ten because of how well they had been playing

805
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: it turned out to be eight. So you know, whenever

806
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: you shoot par right in golf, you shoot part that's okay,

807
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: and that's not like something to cry about. And I

808
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 1: looked at the metrics on Pro Football Focus. They actually

809
00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: blitzed almost that exactly their season percentage just under. So

810
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: you know, basically, look at the fact that the Patriots

811
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: did what the Patriots do and the Giants are just

812
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: not as good as the Patriots. There's no climate admitting that.

813
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: Jose and Orlando. He's up next on Big Blue Kick

814
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: Golf Live. What's up, Jose, Hey, John and Paul, how

815
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: are you going? What's going on? Hi? Thanks for taking

816
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: my call. Um, I just want to I'm a little

817
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: late to the party. I just got half of the show,

818
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: so I'm just calling in because I've watched the game yesterday.

819
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: I watched the full game, and I'm not the typical

820
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: fan that will be complaining about rev calls or why

821
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: did the coach make this call. I played a little

822
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: ball and I coached a little bit down here in Florida.

823
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: But one of the things that I noticed I have

824
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: watched the post game, Paul, I saw your interview with

825
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: Marcus Goldman at the end. And one thing that you

826
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: notice is that the culture on the New York Giants

827
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: football team has not been diminished at all. These guys

828
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: are still angry. They can't wait to get back into

829
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: the film. They want to correct their mistakes. And you

830
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: can see in that interview, Paul that you have with

831
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: Marcus Goldman that he's just like, I don't like, you

832
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: know what, what's the thing that we talked about moral victories?

833
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: But they just couldn't get back to get back into

834
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: the film to correct their mistakes. I'll tell you. Let

835
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: me ask you this, guys, is there a chance to

836
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: want to get Safehone Barkley or any of our guys

837
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: back for the Arizona game and Sunday I would say

838
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: Shepherd's the least likely, but the other guys, yeah, sure absolutely.

839
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, here's here's the one thing I

840
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: want I want to add to what your point. Your

841
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: point is the Giants on the bench. I was on

842
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: the field, John was in the box with Bob and

843
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: Carl in the booth, which is actually a white location

844
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: by the way in Foxborough. It is it's outstanding. But

845
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: but I was on the field roaming the Giant sideline

846
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: the entire night. And I have to say to you

847
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: that you know, until after the score got out of

848
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: hand late in the fourth quarter, when guys were gassed

849
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: at that point, and you really kind of knew that

850
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: they weren't going to be able to come back and

851
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: overcome the deficit. That was a really very focused, animated,

852
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: energized and and good, good teammate morale on that beach.

853
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: That's the Peppers are really good after the game. To

854
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: bother the lay in terms of saying, look, we we

855
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: we we are. We aren't happy about this. We got better.

856
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: We're happy with the improvements that we made the stuff

857
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: to build on. But there are no moral victories. I

858
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: don't care who didn't play. We come out and we

859
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: expect to win. And the point that I want to

860
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: make to you, to you, my friend, is that that's

861
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: not just talk with this locker room. Okay, whether it's

862
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: Peppers after the game, Marcus Golden on the interviews you

863
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: saw Golden Tate, I got him on the field afterwards,

864
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: and it was later on in the show he said

865
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: the same thing, and and and so did Antoine. But

866
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: theet in the locker room, it's not talk with these guys.

867
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to tell you from being down

868
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: there on the sideline and on the bench. These guys

869
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: are breathing it. It's not just talk. That's what's different

870
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: about the last few years with this one thing. Another

871
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: thing that I noticed, and I know we're we're on

872
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: the clock here, is that I really like the play

873
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: our interior defensive mind in that game. Those guys are

874
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: like one of the one the true ways. And you know,

875
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: I've been watching football for a very long time watching

876
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. One of the things that one of the

877
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: keys to stopping them is so obviously stopping the run,

878
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: but don't give them enough space to move up in

879
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: the pocket to make his throws. And we're so many

880
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: times during that game they're pushing that pocket forward and

881
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: Rady was missing on some of the throws. Yes it

882
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: was windy, but we're making it a little uncomfortable for him.

883
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: So they continue to build on this and we get

884
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: all offensive players. I kind of I'm looking forward. I'm

885
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: excited to watch the Arizona game next week when they play,

886
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: because it's gonna be I'll say, if these guys are hungry,

887
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: a lot of fans, I mean I don't know. You've

888
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: got to be part of that pocker room mentality, and

889
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: you can tell if you played for a while, you

890
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: can tell where the players like, you know what. I've

891
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: had it, I got my losses. I'm gonna go back.

892
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna to do my research and I can't with

893
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: those guys are chomping at the bit to get back

894
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: on the field next week. And you'll see that. I

895
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: mean a lot of people are gonna be pleasantly surprised

896
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: at this team, and I have faith in it. You've

897
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: gotta understand this one thing, and I'll leave you guys

898
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: at this. I called before and I've always said to

899
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: you guys, there's a process and us getting back to

900
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: where you guys want to. It's not an overnight sensation.

901
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: That's very rare in this league. So I trust where

902
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: we're headed with the Giants. I'm actually seeing that foundation

903
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: being laid, and I honestly think by next year it's

904
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: gonna be playoffs, is gonna be I think we're gonna

905
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: be pushing towards super Bowl because I'm really excited of

906
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: where we are as far as our core of our

907
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: team and the mentality the locker room that we have

908
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: is unlike the locker room that we've had for the

909
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: last couple of years. We're actually headed in a really

910
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: good direction. Guys, thank you for taking my call. I

911
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: hope you have a wonderful weekend. Be blessed well. Thank you.

912
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: Once that line real quick, Giants had six quarterback hits,

913
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: including three sacks and four tackles for losses. And I

914
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: don't want to leave Vogel Tree out of this. He

915
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: put a really nice game. He did, you know, and

916
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: and we say sometimes he doesn't make enough impact plays.

917
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: He may make ninety nine tackles, hundred tackles, hundred five

918
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: tackles like he usually does. He had solo tackles that

919
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: made a difference. He did, he did and sack two

920
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: tackles for a lost two quarterbacks that third and three

921
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: where they pitched it to White and he made the

922
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: tackle in the backfield, just leveled him one on one tackle.

923
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: I really think despite the five interceptions he had last year,

924
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: from first snap to last, it might have been the

925
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: best game he's played with the Giants. I agree with you.

926
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: Four or five on three, Dexter, and Albany is up

927
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: next day. Dexter, Hey, how you doing, guys, How are

928
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: you doing? We're good? What's going on? Hello? I came

929
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: up from one Lando, so I usually called you guys

930
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: from Lando, but I'm up in Albany. Isn't in a

931
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: family good? There's a couple of things I just want

932
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: to point across about the game last night. What is

933
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: going on with a ladder man? Does he really not

934
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: a run route because he saw with the strength that's

935
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: one of the oldest moves in the end world behind

936
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: because well, I think that's a credit to the Patriots defense.

937
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,479
Speaker 1: I think the corner just read that coming a mile

938
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: away based on what he saw on film. And I

939
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: don't care if if Cody Latimer was Odell Beckham Jr.

940
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: On that play, he would have beat him to that

941
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: spot and he didn't have a chance. Yeah, there's no

942
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: room there. He's not gonna get to that point. It's

943
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: not gonna happen, no shot, dexter. I understand that Jones

944
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: can't throw that ball. Jones can't throw that ball, do

945
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: you guys don't do to talk about the roster moves

946
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: and stuff. No, you can't. We've got to take a

947
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: look at Buchanon because he's a free agent. Now I

948
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: think that would be that. No, I think I think

949
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: that's a guy you take a look at. Thank you, Dexter.

950
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: We got a lot of it sounds like your vacuum guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

951
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: we're there, Dexter, but we gotta go. You have you

952
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 1: got too much noise in the background. Pal, It sounds

953
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 1: like your vacuum. It does that. It's like a vacuum.

954
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: Either that or he was working on an airplane engine. Yeah,

955
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: because it could have been an engine some kinds. There's

956
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: some kind of airplane. Yeah, I mean call us again though, Yeah, absolutely, Dexter. Good. Yeah,

957
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: I think he made some good points. Uh, look, the

958
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: umbecinds of free agent. He's a guy that has experienced

959
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: and bet your system. They've gone after guys like that before,

960
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: so I imagine they'll take a look and see if

961
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: they like what they say. Yeah, you gotta look at

962
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: his tape. You got to check his medical and then

963
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: you gotta of course find out if he's interested in

964
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: coming here or maybe he's got somewhere else he wants

965
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: to go, and figure out why he got cut. Yeah,

966
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: there's a reason he wasn't want another team. That's always

967
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: the automatic number one before you even have the conversation.

968
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap it up with Lennon Columbia, Maryland. Hey, Land, Hello, Land,

969
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: Hey guys, how you doing? Okay? Hey, listen, when when

970
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: when Laddimer gets to the point where he's got more

971
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: catches in his career than games played in his career?

972
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: You can, you can? You can bring up Cody Laddimer again?

973
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: And who brought up Marcus Marcus Golden. Uh, he's on

974
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: a one year deal. Yes, I'd be excited about next

975
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: Sunday's game too. I'd be really excited about one when

976
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: a game against the Cardinals if I'm sitting there with

977
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: a one year deal. But when I'm frustrated, I'm frustrated.

978
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: I thought we're gonna win the game. I thought we

979
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: were going up there and we were going to win

980
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: the game. I I know, Paul, you summed it up.

981
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: They just got better play. I I got it. But

982
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: when are we going to be able to put fifty

983
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: three guys on a plane go to New England and

984
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: win a football game, Paul? Not? Not? Not when you

985
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: have your four best skill position players on offense out

986
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Len, honestly, I mean not only the

987
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: Patriots a better fifty three when they're healthy. Yes, there

988
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: were better fifty three when the Giants have I mean,

989
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: that's just the way it is. But but but Paul,

990
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: that that's not the way the team is thinking. No,

991
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: of course not. I mean, that's that's not the way

992
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: Golden is thinking. That's not the way the coaching step

993
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: was out, the guys gonna on a plane going in

994
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: the way to win a football Oh. Absolutely. The point

995
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: is when are we going to be able to go

996
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: to New England and won a football game? Well? When

997
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: when when this team gets through phase three of its plan?

998
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: This is only phase two. Phase three, is this offseason

999
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: coming up that they get another infusion, another half a

1000
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: dozen guys who are going to make this team even

1001
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: better and take it to the next level. You point,

1002
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: you know, Paul, very very good point. Really in the end,

1003
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: that's a very good point. And I flashed back to

1004
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: the middle seventies and Monday night football when at the

1005
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: end of a Giants game and we were getting I

1006
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: forget who the opponent was, and Meredith says the Gifford Frank,

1007
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: what's it going to take to turn it around? And

1008
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: Frank said a few more bricks sounds exactly. It sounds

1009
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: exactly what you just said, Paul. And that's that's that's

1010
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: that's probably part of it. But you know, and this

1011
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: is this is nothing. I don't mean to be critical

1012
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: to coach Herman. I think he's he's okay, but you know,

1013
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: the go to line guys, to go to a line

1014
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: through all these losses seems to be um. Learn, learn

1015
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: from it and move on. I mean, I don't want

1016
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: to hear you know, Paul, I don't want to hear

1017
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: it anymore. What do you want to say, Chris, Huh?

1018
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: What do you want to say? Well? I want to

1019
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: want him to be honest with what's happening out on

1020
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: the what's happening out on the field. I mean, is

1021
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: Daniel learning, no question? I mean, I'm being honest with

1022
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: your questions. I don't know how you learn under a

1023
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: lot of these circumstances. I don't know Land well, and

1024
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: hold on, I gotta stop you right here, because now

1025
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna get me angry. But give me give me

1026
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: a chance to respond to Go ahead, all right. You've

1027
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: been around a long time and you've often heard me

1028
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: talk about the Parcels theory about quarterbacks. That you never

1029
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: know about a quarterback in the NFL until after he

1030
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: has a three or four game losing streak or after

1031
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: he has a run of interceptions. Okay, because that's where

1032
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: the guy will learn the most. You don't learn as

1033
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: a young quarterback about things when they're going well. You

1034
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: have to go through bad times to learn the stuff

1035
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: that you need to do to become an elite quarterback.

1036
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman how to go through hell his rookie season

1037
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. Eli Manning went through hell his rookie

1038
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: season with the Giants. Most times, that's true, they'll be

1039
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: an aberration. Mahomes sat for a year, came in, was

1040
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: great right away, tom Brady having made a low times

1041
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: either Tom Brady's another one aberration Most times. Parcels right

1042
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: on the money. You your your quarterbacks have to go

1043
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: through pain and adversity to get better. It is the

1044
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: best learning tool available. So please do not go where

1045
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: you're going here, because you're you're you're going to laugh

1046
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: in the face of the Parcels theory. Now, the problem

1047
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: if if, if, if we're sending her five games from

1048
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: now and Jones are still making these same mistakes, there's

1049
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: no progress, then it's fair to ask that question. I

1050
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 1: don't think it's fair to ask that question. Out Look,

1051
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: this is this is this, it was. It was not

1052
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: my intention to make it a h anti Daniel point

1053
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: and and you know, bring back Eli and all that

1054
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. That's that's not what We didn't take

1055
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: it that way. But look, if you look at the

1056
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: three situations that Gettleman kept referring to as the model

1057
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: for how we're gonna bring Daniel alone, uh, you know,

1058
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: how we're going to bring them along, uh you know,

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Speaker 1: Breeze and uh and Rivers Rodgers and far for you

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Speaker 1: and and the other one was Mahomes and Smith. You know,

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Speaker 1: it was a situations when those guys sat for a

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Speaker 1: year and took over, they had playoff situations. The players

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Speaker 1: were so much better. I I think that's how the

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Speaker 1: quarterback comes along and building confidence. I'm not sure, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about the losing and the effect that

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Speaker 1: it's going to have on the quarterback. That that's that's

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Speaker 1: what bothers me. Here's the thing got roll. Just to

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Speaker 1: Angel lens point, Yes, the Giants, in the most optimistic,

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Speaker 1: most hopeful plan wanted this team to be at least

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Speaker 1: five hundred, hopefully have a winning record with ELI, so

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Speaker 1: that Daniel Jones could red shirt and then if they

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Speaker 1: did make the move next year, if they did, Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones would be involved in a situation that had more

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Speaker 1: pillows around him. That would be a much easier situation

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Speaker 1: for him to navigate. Okay, no question, but that went

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Speaker 1: out the window when the quarterback change was made after

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Speaker 1: game two. So now you have to go back to

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Speaker 1: the fundamental parcels theory that the rookie quarterback has to

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Speaker 1: take his lumps if he's going to get better. Well,

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Speaker 1: I hit my mark, Paul or a couple minutes earlier.

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Speaker 1: That's where I needed to be good. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: We have a weekend off at least on Sunday tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: Yankees taking on the Astros. Enjoy that, Enjoy your Sunday

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