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Speaker 1: back to Jurassic Park. I. Well, we were saying that

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Speaker 1: it's three against one because Aristotle also loves this movie.

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Speaker 1: The movie Today as a School of Rock, directed by

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Speaker 1: talking about School of Okay, well, let's first discuss our

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Speaker 1: on for a long time, like means he's agreeable. Also

422
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: like that the thing I remember most is like a

423
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: wordless probably like thirty second thing of when he's really

424
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: young and the boyfriend's like a dead bird and dead

425
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: something dead in the backyard, I think. And he doesn't say,

426
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: he just says, like death, what is I'm glad, thank you.

427
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: An they got me thinking, that's what I think of

428
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: when I think of that movie, and that is horrible

429
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: acting at the end. Yeah, I mean he really rolled

430
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: the dice on that. And sometimes you're gonna get a

431
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: Haley Joel Osmond. Most times you're not Haley Joel Osmond.

432
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: If you're listening, please come on the podcast. We're waiting

433
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: for you. We can do any movie you want. Six

434
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: for my tweets, don't you don't have to do six sends?

435
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: What was the movie you like? I just want to

436
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 1: more about I just wonder more about things that he likes.

437
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: Maybe he's into some weird shit. If you're into some

438
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: weird ship, for sure, hit me up. Anyways, everybody wants

439
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: some received generally positively. People are like, it's a you know,

440
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: an ode to boys? What movie fucking isn't Christopher Nolan

441
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: just released a movie I keep calling Boys City done

442
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: Kirk don Kirk, Yeah, there's anyways. Yeah, why isn't there

443
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: a girlhood? Hello? Because because everyone wants to jerk off

444
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: to themselves. And I get that. Richard Linklater is a

445
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: man and he's able to make movies because he's a man.

446
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: So he's going to drink off to himself, however, so

447
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: he retaliates, not retaliates, but make makes a strategic move,

448
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: as as some people do after people are like everybody

449
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: wants them is making fun of women a lot, and

450
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: the women who are in it are only objectified. And

451
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: then he says, well, I am executive producing a women's

452
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: film now. So he signs on to executive produce a

453
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: friend of his who's making a movie. Her name is

454
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: Katie Coconos, and the name of the movie is I

455
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: Dreamed Too Much. It was an indie movie, came out

456
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago at this point, and he

457
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: doesn't interview a crummy interview with Vanity Fair in which

458
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: he sort of discusses why he feels that women aren't

459
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: being given opportunities and film I'd love to hear, and

460
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: he's got some really interesting thoughts. So question, why was

461
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: is the project that finally got you to step into

462
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: a producing role? His answer, well, I like that it's

463
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: one of the few young women's films that isn't really

464
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: centered around a guy or getting a guy or breaking

465
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: up with a guy. I like that Katie had a

466
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: real strong vision for a young woman her own dreams,

467
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: her own aspirations, and I thought, that's pretty damn unique.

468
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: You don't see that a lot. There needs to be

469
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: more voices like that out there. First of all, thank

470
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: you so fucking much, because I'm always around trying to

471
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: get the guy break up with the guy, and it

472
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: never occurred to me. You know, that's pretty damn unique.

473
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: He says, you do what you can. But I think

474
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: it's just an access question. I think a lot of

475
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: women in general want to talk about their experience of youth,

476
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: like boyhood, days of confused, everybody wants on, etcetera. I

477
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: think they're probably a little more hesitant in the film

478
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: world to say, oh, my own story, that's worthy of

479
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: semina cinema, Jesus Christ, Well, I have to go overds

480
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: in the bedroom to come to continue to quote. I

481
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: remember doing some interviews on Everybody Wants Some and people

482
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 1: were like, why aren't there any good female roles? Your

483
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: film is very male, there's no women in it. I'd

484
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: always say, well, if you feel there's a void, I

485
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: did executive produce this other movie, so when that film opens,

486
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: I hope you care or pay attention because it's out there.

487
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: So instead of uh, saying, Hey, maybe I should write

488
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: a female character that isn't horror virgin or shrew. Go

489
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: see what this other person made. I gave her ten

490
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and I would like credit for that. So

491
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: he's basically saying he's he's a very hot on the back,

492
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: thank you for trying. That's like, I don't like it.

493
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: God his blind Oh, it's so unique to have a

494
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: woman tell her own story. You just don't see that

495
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: that much. But do you fucking have any idea? Why?

496
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: You stupid idiot? And also the implication is like women

497
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: are just this is just starting to occur to him.

498
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: Did they too grew up and they too have had

499
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: feelings that weren't just about how horny they are for

500
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: me or my fucking friends. And now that they're having

501
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: these feelings, I'm tossing them the fucking ball. And it's

502
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: just like, So that interview, really, and this is an

503
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: interview from this year, made me really want to like

504
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: look back at some of his because because from what

505
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: I can tell, and I haven't seen them all, it

506
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: seems like his treatment of women is kind of movie

507
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: to movie from what because I I felt, as I

508
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: remember I wasn't watching it for this podcast, but like Boyhood,

509
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: I didn't think was incredibly unfair to its It just

510
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, nothing really struck me with

511
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: the Before trilogy. It's really just two main characters, Ethan

512
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: Hawk's character and Julie Dupley's character. And Julie Dudley's character

513
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: is solid. It's a very character driven, mostly dialogue. Not

514
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: a ton happens in any of the movies except for

515
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: just developing their relations and ship. But her character is

516
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: very like, she's very outspoken, she has opinions, she voices

517
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: them right. But then I would argue in Days and Confused,

518
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: women are not treated very well. I don't remember it

519
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: that well, so I can't speak much to it in general.

520
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: I mean as a rule there you know, it is

521
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: a male focus film and the women are objectified. It's

522
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: like kind of in the same way as Everybody Wants

523
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: the which he himself connects the two movies as like, yeah,

524
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: that's like a spiritual sequel kind of thing, and that

525
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: it's about young boys who just wanted. So anyways, it

526
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: does seem like there's a lot of nuance here in

527
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: terms of like movie to movie, so let's bring it

528
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: back to school of freaking rock. Okay, So that's why

529
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: I think my criticism is over for the episode. I

530
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: did want to bring up because that I reading that

531
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: interview really piss me off. One quote. What you point

532
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: out to though, like this being unique and putting, it's

533
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: just putting. I like, I don't know, Like this happens

534
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: a lot in life, not even just in quote for

535
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: but where women having like original quote unquote ideas and

536
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: being like remotely creative or deviating from this setup of

537
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: like I don't even know. I feel like it's just

538
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: this big thing of putting someone in pedestal for having

539
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: an idea which is not of like a normal like

540
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: having ambitions. Well, he's completely failing to acknowledge the fact

541
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: that women don't get the same opportunities in Hollywood to

542
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: make movies, and the few times that a woman is

543
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: directing a movie, it's seen as this novel thing. Oh,

544
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: how original, how unique, And it's just because we've been

545
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: pushed down all throughout the history of filmmaking and also

546
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: life in general, society, history of the world. Right, it

547
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: isn't like the way that quote especially, Yeah, it's it's

548
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: sort of the same quote where it sounds like, and

549
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: maybe this was taken out of context, but I mean

550
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,239
Speaker 1: it sounds like Richard link Lighter thinks that women are

551
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: just starting to direct movies because it just occurred to

552
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: them that they might have a story whereth telling where

553
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: it's actually been centuries of not inflament, but you know,

554
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: like it's been at least a century long struggle to

555
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: even get one percent representation, which I think is about

556
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: still where we're at in terms of directing anyways. So

557
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: that's dumb. Uh. But back to School of Rock and

558
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: it's female characters. Let's talk about Principal Mullins because I

559
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: think she she has I guess, the most story of

560
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: any female character, or I love her. I don't know

561
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: how well she's treated by the story, but as a character,

562
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: I love her. She's in charge, she's very good at

563
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: her job. She is respected by to some degree every

564
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: but like she is by pretty much everybody, I feel like,

565
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone thinks she's doing a bad job, right,

566
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: But there's like liking someone and then not or like

567
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: respecting them are really different. Sure, yeah she's respected, but

568
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: I think she acknowledges And then there's also a scene

569
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: like in the teacher's lounge where she's like harping on

570
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: about something and Dewey's like she always like this and

571
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: they're like, oh yeah, like they don't really see her

572
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: as like someone, which makes sense because she's there's superior

573
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: boss like that. Yeah, We're like, yeah, he's so fu

574
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: up night. And then there's that scene where they go

575
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: out to coffee, which ends up being a giant mug

576
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: of beer instead of coffee. She's like she or you

577
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: don't have coffee and he's like, oh, I'm sure she's

578
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: so good. Afterwards she's like, no one thinks I'm cool.

579
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: I had to become this pitch and he's like, no, no, no,

580
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: you're cool. So I kind of like that scene where

581
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: she's like, this role made me have to be a

582
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: certain way, or at least she feels that way, and

583
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: she's acknowledging that because maybe a woman in power, I

584
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: had to assume this role to be respected, right. I

585
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: like that she acknowledges that, and that the movie addresses it.

586
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: Isn't the most poignant thing ever, No, but they do it. Yeah,

587
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: they do it. I remember when I was a kid too.

588
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: That really stuck out to me because it was like

589
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: the only felt like the only point in the movie

590
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: that was like legitimately serious, like I didn't fully understand

591
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: what it was there getting it. I also didn't even

592
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: know that she mouthed the word bitch. I was like,

593
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: what's what's she's saying. But because it does, like it

594
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: does get serious and he visibly seems a comfortable. I

595
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: think he feels bad for thinking she's uptight, but having

596
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: her talk about that, like she felt like she had

597
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: to become this ubtype version and couldn't really balance both

598
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: because most movies will have a role very similar to hers,

599
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: where it's like the Boss, she's a shrew, she's very uptight,

600
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: and we only see her in that role. We never

601
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: see her like that moment be like, yeah, I know

602
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: that I've become this I didn't ever want to be

603
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: this person, but this is who I had to become

604
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: to be respected in this role. Yeah, that's that's a

605
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: great point. First of all, junk fucking rules, every line

606
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: read she gives in this movie is the best line read.

607
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: I wonder how I feel like she never had to

608
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: do a second take. She she also has like really

609
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: good off I think lines that she came up with

610
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: her improv stuff that's seen in the teacher's lounge where

611
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: they're like after she stops giving her speech and Jack lexical.

612
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: She always like that they like pan to her with

613
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: their conversation. The main one has been in the background,

614
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 1: She's like, and then the turkey sand which just touched

615
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: the people. You know, this is a big deal, and

616
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, Joan killing it. There's serious and the way

617
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: she's like always like a little bit hunched over. She's like,

618
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: I know she she does really good pers lips always,

619
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: especially when you drinking that beer or like sipping it.

620
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: She's really allowed to Joane out, which is like, so

621
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: it's so good. I also appreciate that the story does

622
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: not push her and Dewey together romantic maybe a little bit,

623
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: but for the most part, I think it's mostly a

624
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: friendship where even at one point she asks if he'll

625
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: go to parents knight with her, because she's like, it's

626
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 1: not a date or anything. I just like being around

627
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: you makes me feel more comfortable, which is friendship. And

628
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: I don't think she really necessarily has the vocabulary for

629
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: friendship unfortunately, but like it would have been another super

630
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: easy choice for this movie to be like and then

631
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: totally the uptight principle and cool think in like sort

632
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: of pervert institute teacher Meg Love and having it phrase

633
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: too and a wait where like that absolutely could have happened,

634
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 1: Especially then I feel like that steals whatever progress she's

635
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: made as being something that he showed her how to

636
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: do instead of her just like realizing she doesn't have

637
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: to be that way. She doesn't, right, and and yeah,

638
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: it's like she by the end, she's not doing I mean,

639
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: I guess she's maybe doing a little bit less of

640
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: a good job and that she's endorsing the school of Rock.

641
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: But also it's like she doesn't really have to sacrifice anything,

642
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: I feel the way a lot of female characters have

643
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: to where she does her job throughout, including the greatest

644
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: line read ever of I've just been informed that your

645
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: kids are missing shrug, so good. But she doesn't really

646
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: like nothing is taken from her, which was also refreshing.

647
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: Is she continues, you know, we assume she continues to

648
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: have her job. It's implied at the end that maybe

649
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: she's going to hook up with the new guitarist wearing

650
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: the half leather jack the most comfortable like every time.

651
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: Every time watches, I like have to look away. I

652
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: can't sit it's like too too much, uncomfortable because it's hot,

653
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: and she's like, there's more tattoo. It's awful every bit.

654
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: But again, it's like she is at first glance of

655
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: a shrewish character, but for me that is subverted enough

656
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: through the story and actually giving her character some attention

657
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: and an arc of I feel like her arc is

658
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: she realizes she doesn't need to be I mean, and

659
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: I guess this does speak to the truth, like you

660
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: don't have to be so fucking uptight. But I think

661
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: she like, in the context of this character, she realizes

662
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: she can be more herself and still be very good

663
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: at her job. And this is a sort of a

664
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: male impose, but like you can like Fleetwood Mac and

665
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: be a good private school principle, which is, you know,

666
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: it's not the perfect lesson, but I like it. It

667
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: worked for me. Yeah, I mean, she's sort of adhering

668
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: to this, like society's rules dictate that I have to

669
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: be this very uptight, especially because it's like the private

670
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: school sector. These kids parents are paying fifteen thousand dollars

671
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: a year for them to pretend which actually is not

672
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: that much. I was like staring considering college. Well that

673
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: and I've known of like private elementary or maybe it

674
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: was high schools. I don't know, but that ship costs

675
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 1: so much money. Three baby true, Lucy goofy. I almost

676
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: said pre nine eleven it wasn't it was, but it

677
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: was first well first, second bush Admin first half of

678
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: the sec different was weird. I did want to bring

679
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: up that this movie comes out just at at the

680
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: sort of as the man Child trope is really taken off,

681
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: and it's going to stick with us till this fucking

682
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: day seth Rogan is still around, He's still alive. Did

683
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: you know no one's harpooned him yet? That's always going

684
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: to go. This is he. I'm gonna harpoon him. I've

685
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: threatened to do it before. Uh. I hate the man

686
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: child trope, but in this again, this movie is a

687
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: big fat exception where it just works. I don't know

688
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: it why, I think that that's that's what it is.

689
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: It's the man child surrounded by literal children, and I

690
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: can't handle that many children in a movie, which is fair,

691
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 1: I did. I did want to bring that up because

692
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: that is a huge pet peeve of mine that again

693
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: in this movie just gets a full pass and I

694
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: openly love him. Let's talk about the female students. Can

695
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: we talk about Tamkas Like by far, I always think

696
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: she's the best character in this whole movie. I think

697
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: so too. So she's the student who he calls turkey suboriginally,

698
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: which I thought was because she was heavy, but it's

699
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: because he takes a turkey sub out of her desk

700
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: the first day steals and for so long I was like,

701
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: this is my biggest complaint with this movie. Why are

702
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: you fat shaming this wonderful girl. But also the movie

703
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: made the choice to have her be the only character

704
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: with food in her desk, so that or that was

705
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: like willing to share it true. Maybe she's just a

706
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: very generous person. She's great, Yeah, she's great. He does

707
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: take your turkey step. Yeah, So with her, the fact

708
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: that like she's very quiet gets a sign I think

709
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: security as a job. And then comes up to him

710
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: after and it's like, actually want to be a singer

711
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: and it is too afraid saying and stuff, and then

712
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: overcomes that sings has like an incredible voice, and it's

713
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: just like that scene before I think it's the auditions

714
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: for the Battle of the Bands where she gets too

715
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: nervous and pulls him aside. I go back to all

716
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: the time, and every time I watch it, I feel

717
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: like the older I've gotten, the more I appreciate the

718
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: language in that scene, because she says that she's too

719
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: nervous to sing, and he asked why, and she says,

720
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm afraid they're gonna laugh at me, that they're gonna

721
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: call me fat, and he says, like to me, because

722
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: that's not a problem, and like he it's just the

723
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: wording is like he never actually says like you're not overweight,

724
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: or like you're not because she is a bit heavier.

725
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: And he also isn't like you can go on a

726
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: diet or like try to make her feel like there's

727
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: other options. He just says, like, what you want to

728
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: do is what you want to do, and being fat

729
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: isn't that's not equivalent to being ugly. And there's like

730
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: so much throughout all of that, and he goes and says, like,

731
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, Aretha Franklin, she's a big lady, but she

732
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: doesn't safe she can sing. Everyone wants to party with

733
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: Aretha possible, And then he's like, and you know me,

734
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: like I have a way to shoe too. She asked

735
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: why he does go on a diet, and he just says,

736
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: because I like to eat. Is that a problem, and

737
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: then goes on to say like, but then people worship

738
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: me and like accept me when I'm up there, and

739
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: then just basically says like you can sing if you

740
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: want to, but it's up to you. And the fact

741
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: that he's not like, you're not I promise, let's just

742
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: do this, and that it's still up to her to

743
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: decide and they're choice, and that I just like, it's

744
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: always so like Rewatching, it warms warms my little heart.

745
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: It's a great I mean, like the fact that he

746
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: doesn't shame where that he's like, it's okay to eat

747
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: or be overweight as long as you're comfortable with yourself.

748
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm just like, wow, especially, I feel like movies of

749
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: that time are so bad that when I go back

750
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: to Rewatch well and Richard Linkletter, movies are historically pretty bad.

751
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: With that, I mean, this is written by Mike White,

752
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: so good, good guy, the Blonde Eyelash to God we

753
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: know as Mike White, but you're totally right, like as

754
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: I've gotten older and watched that scene. It is kind

755
00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: of remarkable how it holds up pretty much like the

756
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: way and Tamika is just cool, like she's fucking cool

757
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: and so talented, and she wearing her Avril Levina. Everyone

758
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: looks like blank money d two or all of those

759
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: hair pieces that are bright pink that I always wish

760
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: I had, but I was not cool enough, But then

761
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: I learned I was. I just had to believe you

762
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: were just like Lawrence Exac. Well, that's I wanted to

763
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: talk about the kid, because, um, the kid, the kid.

764
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: Um all all of the story treats. There's like two

765
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: male students that have arcs, and then two female students

766
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: that have arcs, and then the rest are kind of tertiary,

767
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: which is fine, they're not all going to have an ARC.

768
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: But I did like that sort of regardless of gender,

769
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: all the students were treated with either respect or not respect,

770
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: depending where we're at in the movie by Dewey, which

771
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: I think is a testament to even though he's a

772
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, man child character, he is respectful of the

773
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: students and really does listen to them, and there's like

774
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: scenes where he's collaborating with them and treating them to

775
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: songs or when my favorite part where they're collaborating words

776
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: were in Zack and Zack song and Zacks sacrete song

777
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: where rock is the reason, rock is the rhyme and

778
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: he's like, no, no, no, rock, got no reason, rock,

779
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: got no rock. I'm like, you guys are just fucking pals.

780
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: I love it. But and then he says to right

781
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: after that, because he's like suggests that in Zach like okay,

782
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: because they all have been taught. I mean their parents

783
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: are all like super strict and terrifying, especially his. And

784
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: then he's like, well, no, no, no, like it's a suggestion,

785
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: this is your song. Like it's just like so I'm like, wow,

786
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: you respect children? Who does not enough people were changing

787
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: the lyrics. Sorry, Like but like seeing that when you're

788
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: probably again like seeing that when you're like eleven, You're

789
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: just like yeah. And when he does that whole song

790
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: of like teaching them to basically like flip off whatever

791
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: stress of yeah, and it's like what, here's you? And

792
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: then I for her name, the brace face girl says

793
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: homework and then the adorable like smallest child of the

794
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: bunch is just like bullies. You're like you're just like,

795
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 1: there's a whole other movie here. I think what bothered

796
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: me about the dynamic of the band at least is

797
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: that all the main parts of the band, which is

798
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 1: Zach gets lean guitar, Lawrence gets keyboard. Who's the drummer,

799
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: little little like burn stuff, the little road, what do

800
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: you like to do your time stuff? She's like, okay,

801
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: reasons forever, sorry, okay. And then there's the bass player

802
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: who Katie. So she a great day for everyone. She's

803
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: pretty much the only because you can the backup vocals,

804
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: they're kind of backups. So if we're just like isolating

805
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: the main members, the frontman of the band, we only

806
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: have one girl. She gets very little lines of dialogue

807
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: of screen time. Weirdly enough, her main moment is and

808
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: I know, you know, is the exchange she has with

809
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: Freddie A k Spazie McGhee white about Meg White. Yeah,

810
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: like two good female drummers, and then she, I mean

811
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: she names at least one good female. I'm not a

812
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: huge Meg White. That's also know, that's something that like

813
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: there's so many drummers like I credited who have simple beats,

814
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 1: who just like do what she is doing and she's

815
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: doing what they're doing who get credited as like being

816
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: like Ringo. Everyone always makes jokes about how he's not

817
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: a super intricate drummer or anything, but like she has

818
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: a simple part if you play drums every day and

819
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: going tour all the time, like she can play. She

820
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: can do stuff beyond that, but that's just her role.

821
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: And people always like, I don't know, there was a

822
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: really good, really really good piece on Meg White, and

823
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: like how she doesn't get the respect she's deserved and

824
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: has always been like the butt of the joke on

825
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: Hazel It maybe okay, I have to look it up,

826
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: but like so when she names those people and does

827
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: like she even white from the White stripes, and he's like,

828
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: she can't drum, she's better drummer than you. That that

829
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: I mean, that was a great yeah, especially because like

830
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: I feel, I feel like it's like trying to balance it.

831
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: But she I've always been under the impression that Katie

832
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: doesn't talk because she didn't want to. I think when

833
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: the they had rehearsals, which I also like to be

834
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: idealist and think like they didn't have a lot of

835
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: girls I like try out for the other parts. Maybe

836
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: they did. I don't know, they're still I'm sure sexism

837
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: that comes into play there in terms of who you choose,

838
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: But I think they chose her because she was really

839
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: good at base and she didn't want to talk, because

840
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: even when Jack Black is telling her how to do

841
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: those like big poofy lips and stuff, she doesn't I'm

842
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: pretty sure she doesn't talk at all during that. She's

843
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: not even like okay, like no like one syllable words

844
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: or anything. And at the end she's the only one

845
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: in the credit who doesn't solo, and you can tell

846
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: because of editing. I think either she did or she

847
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: didn't because she gets scared on camera. She's also clearly

848
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: still does music. But I think she was someone who

849
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: was like wanted to play and do this, and they

850
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: wanted to have her, and I think we're almost or

851
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it seems like they were like,

852
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: we care enough about having you that it's okay if

853
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of lines, because she has

854
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: a lot of the iconic stuff with like the cello,

855
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: that she could have been more involved in, but she

856
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: just like always looks terrified. Yeah, then make the keyboard

857
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: player a girl, or like I don't know, They're just

858
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: there were more opportunities to have more of like the

859
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: main band be one of those characters, were more than

860
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: one be a girl and with lines and an arc

861
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I mean that said three, if

862
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: you're not including Jack Black, three of the four main

863
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: people are white. Lawrence is the only one who's a

864
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 1: person of color. Like that's something else too that I rewatching.

865
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: Feel like their class is more diverse than like I

866
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: feel like for a private school, way more diverse than

867
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: what imagined it would be. Right, Yeah, in terms of casting, right,

868
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 1: I agree in terms of the band, but in terms

869
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: of the class as a whole, we do get two

870
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: male student arcs, two female student arcs, with the female

871
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: student arts are Tamika and Summer. The male student arcs

872
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: are Zack and Lawrence. So in that way it kind

873
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: of I agree in terms of like musical representation, but

874
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: in terms of the story I felt pretty good watching

875
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: at this time of Like, Summer does get her arc

876
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: of She's the Little Shrew basically, and is originally presented

877
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 1: as an annoyance and a foil to Jack Black trying

878
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: to teachers. Yeah, but by the end he's like she's

879
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: going to be the first female president, which still could

880
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: be true. Yeah, go for it, Miranda, we loved you,

881
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: and Drake and Josh we loved you, and I Carle

882
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: time to become the president, and I feel like they

883
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: try given time limit too, because they probably could have

884
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: gone longer. A lot of the montages try to show

885
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean, as any film does, growth between people. But

886
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: I really like that they show Gordon Gordon, Lizzie McGuire,

887
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: the Gordo, the little boy, the light handles, the lights

888
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: and like technology stuff because they during their like the

889
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: final Battle of the Band scene too, they show him

890
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: and like his work often and from his perspective. Also,

891
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: the person watching him is a female light technician and

892
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: not or like stage hand person and not a boy,

893
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: which like if you think of like on stage representation

894
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: offstage is like way less music industry. So I was like, wow,

895
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: that's nice and like not what I thought it would

896
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: be when I noticed that later in life. So I

897
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: like that they show his stuff and like actually give

898
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: it credit. They just like credit kids is being smart

899
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: and capable of learning a lot, which is a it's

900
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: a pretty true yeah, and the good kids can't learn.

901
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: It was a waste of time and like, one of

902
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: the best and most exciting things I've seen this movie

903
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: when You're a kid is being like I'm a kid

904
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: and I can do stuff. That's my representation is so important.

905
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: That's why we's gonna say, and also a better representation

906
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: of women. Um does this movie pass the Backtel tests? Yes,

907
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: Yes it does. What where although do we know that

908
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: teacher's name? Where? Um, the principal is talking to a

909
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: lady teacher and she's like, don't have the peanut butter

910
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: sandwich the other sandwiches. That scene does not pass. At

911
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: least there are two women interacting. Yes, it does. It

912
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: does have it doesn't happen as much as it should.

913
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: There's no scene Sarah Silverman is in that I saw

914
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: that passes the Bactel test. Unfortunate, but there are So

915
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: there's a scene between John Cusack and a child where

916
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: she's yelling at the child but also like do you

917
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: want to hug and she's like no, and then she's like, Okay,

918
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: have a good day, Emily. That passes the test. Uh.

919
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: And then there's a scene right after that. I think

920
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: that it does pass because I think she's talking to

921
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: one of the teachers, who we learned has a name

922
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: in a previous scene even though I don't remember it.

923
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: After that leaves the school, yeah, where she's like, she's like, yeah,

924
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: the teachers slipped, but we've got a substitute, and so

925
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: she's technically talking about it, just like talking about her

926
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: tub because it's about him filling in and explaining what

927
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: he does. Either way, it already passes. But there are

928
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: so many opportunities for like the three backup singers who

929
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: were all girls, to be like, hey, I like to

930
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: sing me too, Like they could have talked. There could

931
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: have been there's there are more opportunities that were missed,

932
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: especially imagine just like natural conversation that would have occurred

933
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: that would have been relevant between everyone summer as the

934
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: band manager was controlled, like you know, had jurisdiction over everybody,

935
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: she could have talked to the backup singers, she could

936
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: have talked to the bass player, all kinds of people.

937
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: But we don't see any of those scenes. So let's

938
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: all give School of Rock a nipple rating on our

939
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: famous nipple rating scale. And this is not how much

940
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: you liked the movie, but how well you think it

941
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: treats women on a scale of one to five and

942
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: then we're going to need some description to those nips.

943
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to give this movie a three and a

944
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: half nipples because Richard Lingler in a hole. I give

945
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: him a punch in the mouth. As of right now,

946
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: that interview really bothered me. But this movie, uh, the

947
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: shrew problem is almost entirely responsible for why I'm gonna

948
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: knock off points, and I think of us really being honest.

949
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: It's more of a three three and a half though.

950
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: The shrewd the shrewdestness, especially of the Sarah Silverman character,

951
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 1: which is like a double punch in the gut because

952
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: it's like, don't do that to Sarah fucking Silverman, are

953
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: you kidding? Every scene she's in she's like right, So

954
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: that's not fair. Um. But we do see growth in

955
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 1: our main female character, principal Rosalie Mullins played by Joan

956
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: Joan Out. I appreciate that they sort of take a

957
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: stereotype and, whether intentionally or not, at least subvert it

958
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: to Mika Amazing summer has. You know, she has an arc.

959
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: She goes on to become my Carly. It's all good.

960
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: I'm giving the nipples too. I'm giving two of them

961
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: to Adam Pascal because he's gonna need them. He's going

962
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: to film rent for two thousand and five. He's busy.

963
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: He's gonna need those nipples. I'm not gonna take them

964
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: away from him. I'm assuming that whoever we don't give

965
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: nipples two ceases to have them. I'm giving one blonde

966
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:39,959
Speaker 1: nipple to Mike White, very pale, and then I'm giving

967
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: the last half a nipple just busy McGhee. Okay, yeah,

968
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with four. I went in originally thinking more,

969
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: but then hearing a lot of your thoughts about it

970
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: made me change my mind, which makes sense because Sarah

971
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: Silverman really doesn't at all, which is the one that

972
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: I knew ahead. But then Joe and I feel like

973
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: I always thought of her more as changing, but there

974
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: often isn't because the blind she had there in the background.

975
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: But is it? I like, want to give it to

976
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: kids as an award, but then I'm also like, no,

977
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: that's wrong. This is the same space. Give the children nipples,

978
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 1: they need them, humanity will cease to be Oh we milk.

979
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: It feels too weird, So I'm not going to I'm

980
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 1: gonna give it to one to Jack Black's ex bandmate

981
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: who was in Once because my mom loves that musical.

982
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: Shout out to that guy. I'm gonna give one to Know.

983
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give two to that woman who works behind

984
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: the board, the sound board about all of the band's

985
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: respect her. And then I'll give one to Joan. She

986
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: deserves it, she deserves it, She's worked hard. I'm gonna

987
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: give it two and a half nipples. I'm sorry, but

988
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 1: it's still largely fine a man's movie. Jack Black steals

989
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 1: the show, and by that and he's given the show,

990
00:55:55,200 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: he steals. Its written for him. It's a show and

991
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of his interactions are with

992
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: other boys in the band, so it's still a very

993
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: male heavy movie. The female characters that there are, as

994
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: we pointed out, are often very like uptight, high strung

995
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: so and then of the ones who are turtle like vibe.

996
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: Of the ones who aren't barely get any screen time

997
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: to make a great character. I love her. She doesn't

998
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: get a ton of screen time or lines, doesn't play

999
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: a huge role in the story as tender and wonderful

1000
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: as her scene is where she's like, I'm afraid people

1001
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: are gonna laugh at me because I'm fat, Sarah Soloman,

1002
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: Summer Principal, John Cusack. They're all like um, which is fine.

1003
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: There are people like that. That's totally cool. But let's

1004
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: see a broader representation of women. There are other types

1005
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: of women like me, wretched but also cool anyway, So

1006
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: I give it two and a half nipples. They belong

1007
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: to Jack Black, the nipples that we see that the

1008
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: children also see. And then a half nupple goes to

1009
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Julie Depley from Before Sunrise cool because

1010
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: we see her nipples in Before Midnight. Actually, so that's

1011
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: the half nipple. Do you everything? Jack Black and Jack

1012
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: White hang out anyways every day. Thank you so much.

1013
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: Thank you. Where can people find you online? I'm on

1014
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: the Internet on the Twitter. My name is Nina Corkor

1015
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: and then that's my handle with an underscore. You can

1016
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: find me in print and dig Boston if you live

1017
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: in the city, and otherwise my name is very google ble.

1018
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of us. Nina Corkoran's out there.

1019
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: We eat player and a cool girl who lives in Canada.

1020
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, we'll tag this ship out of you. There's

1021
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: a lot of Jamie Lattis is out there and I

1022
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: almost hooked up with one one time for another day.

1023
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: All right, thanks for listening to the battel Cast. You

1024
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: can find us on Twitter at bactel Cast. You can

1025
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: find us on Instagram at backtel Cast. We just got

1026
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,200
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1027
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1028
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Speaker 1: for money for us. Uh. Money for us is good always.

1029
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: We're coming to New York in September. Come to that.

1030
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: I keep wanting to say September eleven. It's not that

1031
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:18,479
Speaker 1: it's September. It's September nine. We're all fine. We're gonna

1032
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: have a great time at the cinder Block Comedy Festival.

1033
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be. It's gonna be a hip and

1034
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: a hop in a fun time. Oh yeah, oh yeah.

1035
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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Thank you so much for looking.

1036
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Speaker 1: Just punched the water wattle. Okay, gotta go.