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Inside the privileged life of the 20 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: director of Hunger Games Son before he became an evil genius, 21 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: the so called Virgin Killer. I Meancy Grace, this is 22 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. You know, uh, 23 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: let me first introduce my all star panel, Wendy Patrick 24 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: Southern California veteran prosecutor, high profile defense attorney out of 25 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: l A. Troy Slayton, Vincent Hill, private investigator, her renowned 26 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist, author of Lions and Tigers and Terrorists. Oh 27 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: my doctor Carol Lieberman, Jackie Howard in the studio and 28 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: joining me from l A. Alan Duke. You know, Alan, 29 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: you and I grew up in the rural South. You 30 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: near Carrollton, Me in the middle of nowhere, really not 31 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: even a city outside of Making, Georgia. I didn't even 32 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: know things like this existed. Three hundred dollar or money, sunglasses, 33 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: a forty thousand dollar car, a private Katy Perry concert. 34 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: I mean, Alan, I'm just thinking about how this this 35 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: guy's lifestyle. Just tell me one thing, Alan Duke, isn't 36 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: his dad, The Virgin Killer's dad one of the directors 37 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: on the smash hit movies Hunger Games, that whole series 38 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: where don't they fight about food and they have to 39 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: kill each other the children. Yes, his father was involved 40 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: in the as a director on that very big series. 41 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: I thought it would be too upsetting for the children 42 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: to see. Okay, so everybody laugh. But the children don't 43 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: know anything about hunger games yet. I thought it'd be 44 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: too difficult for them to see children killing each other 45 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: over food. So you know, the worst we ever get 46 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: is watching Poirot or Monk. Okay, that that's as rough 47 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: as he kids in our house. I just can't get 48 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,559 Speaker 1: over this. How could a guy was so much privilege 49 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: become a prolific killer. Let's talk about this guy at first. 50 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: I want you to hear the so called virgin killer, 51 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: Elliott Roger, pampered son of a Hollywood director, in his 52 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: own words, Elliott Roger. Here, I'm up in the hills 53 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: in Monticito right now. It's truly a beautiful day. But 54 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: as I've always said, a beautiful environment is the darkest 55 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: hell if you have to experience it all alone. And sadly, 56 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: I've been alone for a very long time. I've been 57 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: attending college in Santa Barbara for about two and a 58 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: half years now. In those two and a half years, 59 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: I've experienced nothing but loneliness and misery. And my problem 60 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:36,119 Speaker 1: is girls. There are so many beautiful girls here but 61 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: none of them give me a chance. And I don't 62 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: know why. I don't know why you girls are so 63 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: repulsed by me. It doesn't make sense. I do everything 64 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:54,119 Speaker 1: I can to appear attractive to you. I dress nice, 65 00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: I'm sophisticated and magnificent. I have a nice car at BMW. 66 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: Well it's nicer than the people in my college. Um. 67 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: You know I'm polite, I am the ultimate gentleman. And 68 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: yet you girls you never give me a chance. I 69 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: don't know why. You know, I put a lot of 70 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: effort into dressing nice. These sunglasses here, we were three 71 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: hundred dollars. Georgio ARMANI So I'll put him on see 72 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: hold on card, see look at have fabulous Look. Okay, 73 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time taking in when I've just 74 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: heard um, let me just open this up to Alan Do, 75 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 1: Dr Carroll, Lieberman, Vincent, he Old, Troy Slaton and Wendy Patrick, Wendy. 76 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: I'm looking at this guy's posts, okay, And I'm if 77 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: I if my husband ever got to fly first class. 78 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: And then he posted photos online of him being in 79 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: first class, of his meal and his wine and his croissants, 80 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: and a selfie of him sipping champagne and first class. 81 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: You know what, I swear I think I would divorce him, 82 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, I really do. I'm not kidding. That ostentatious 83 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: show of um look or luxury is just it's very 84 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: irritating to me. And he wonders why girls don't like him. 85 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: I think I know, Yeah, Nancy, he learned the hard 86 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: way that money can't buy you love. It's what your 87 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: medical and psychological guests would call pathological narcissism. This idea 88 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: that showcasing the life of luxury that he was privileged 89 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: to lead somehow would translate into relational success. And obviously, 90 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: as a logical matter, we know that's not true. But 91 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: we also know that emotions are not logical, and that 92 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: was the downfall of Elliott Rogers. So, as you say, 93 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: this ostentatious lifestyle created in his mind unrealistic expectations of 94 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: a thriving social life that unfortunately he never had, Well, 95 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: that's certainly putting perfume on the pig, Wendy Patrick, because 96 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: not so much a social life. I think he wants 97 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: sex with girls, who wants them to admire him, to 98 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: adulate him, and to sleep with him. Um, you know, Troy, 99 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. And this goes for 100 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: you too, Wendy. And I'm not asking you, Troy, to 101 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: divulge anything about your clients, but very often I think 102 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: part of the reason that I ever want a case 103 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: was because I was so interested, curious really and every 104 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: witness in their life, the defendant, what the defendant said, 105 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: the location. I could sit and listen to people seriously 106 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: for hours hours. That's why I'd be working the streets 107 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: till midnight putting a case together. Troy, here's my question. 108 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: I love listening to this guy in a weird way. Again, 109 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: It's like looking at a tarantula under a case. I'm 110 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: I'm repulsed yet fascinated, and I want to hear his thinking. 111 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: I know we don't have to show motive, but I 112 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: want to hear what this guy what's going on in 113 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: his head? Are you ever like that with your clients 114 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: or witnesses? Like you just sit there, not of course 115 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: on the stand because you gotta keep it moving for 116 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: a jury, but just sit there while you're investigating case. 117 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: You just listen and look. And so many times I 118 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: just put down my notepad and just sit there and 119 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: listen listen, because it's unlike anything I've ever heard. Absolutely, Nancy, 120 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: you want to hear every single thing that not only 121 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: your client has to say, but everything that every person 122 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: that they know, every witness, every potential witness has to say. 123 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: So that way, as a defense attorney, I know more 124 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: about the case than the investigating officers and the prosecutors. Certainly, well, 125 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: you're doing it. You're doing it for a very wise angle, 126 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: which is right. The more you investigate, the more you listen, 127 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: the more you know, the better prepared you are to 128 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: win your case. It's just just I guess it's the 129 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: fascination with the human psyche to Vincent Hill, private investigator. Vincent, 130 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: you've met my husband and my children. You know us 131 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: very well. The other day David Lynch, my husband. You know, 132 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: he's I'm gonna brag on him because he can't hear me. 133 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: All right. He's super brilliant in the business world. A 134 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: tiny bit socially awkward, but I find that endearing at times. 135 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: The other day he went, I've got a rip in 136 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: my pants. I'm like, you don't think you're buying any 137 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: pair of pants, do you? You are not until we 138 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: finished pay for these children's school and have their college 139 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,479 Speaker 1: funds that away. We're wearing the same thing. He went, Uh, 140 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: you're right, and he agrees. He agrees. We've had our 141 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: shoes re sold so many times. I can't even count it, 142 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: because we want to. This guy is so obsessed with 143 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: money and status in his car and flying first class 144 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: is so off putting, Vincent. I find that quite off putting. Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. 145 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: I mean, we all want the finer things in life, 146 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: but unfortunately all of us don't get the finer things 147 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: in life. And you know, I don't know really what 148 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: you mean about that, because I feel like, you know, 149 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 1: I've got my husband, I've still got my mom, I've 150 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: got the twins, were all healthy, we're happy, we have 151 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: a roof over our head. Yeah, I got Yeah. I 152 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: feel like I'm so blessed. The I would never drink 153 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: dr care liberman, what is it you're the shrink? What 154 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: is this fascination this guy has with showing off that 155 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: he's flying at first class? Insecurity? It is all of 156 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: the status. All of these items are to mask his 157 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: main feeling of insecurity. He's hoping that people, if the 158 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: girls especially see that he has a BMW and all 159 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: of the fancy sunglasses that they won't notice that he's nothing. 160 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: He feels so worthless inside that he uses all these 161 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: status symbols as a way to try to pretend that 162 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: he is worth something. So, Alan Do, I guess that 163 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: means the fact that I wear the same black running 164 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: tights and cowboy boots every single day. I guess that 165 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: means I'm secure and metally well. Good, good, good to hear, 166 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: Alan do you? Because now pronounced I'm on only healthy Okay, 167 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: Jackie and I can talk about that in a break 168 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: Right now, I want you to hear in his own 169 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: words with me, the so called virgin killer and remember 170 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: are as alan Do correctly pointed out, his dad is 171 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: one of the directors on the wildly popular Hunger Games 172 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: movie series. They live and they lap of luxury. But 173 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: guess what, he's miserable. I feel so invisible as I 174 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: walked through my college because none of the girls there 175 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: pay attention to me. I see so many beautiful blonde hair, 176 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 1: just so many beautiful blond haired girls walking around everywhere 177 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:42,479 Speaker 1: in your revealing shorts, your cascading blonde hair, your pretty faces, 178 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: and I want one for a girlfriend. I'm want to 179 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: take a girl out on a date and prove to 180 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: her that I'm worthy. I want to feel that sense 181 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: of being worthy of a girl's love and affection. I'm 182 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: twenty two years old, and I've never had a girlfriend. 183 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm still a virgin. I've never had the pleasure of 184 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: having sex with a girl, sleeping with a girl, kissing 185 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: a girl. I've never even held a girl's hand. Now 186 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: I don't even have a young girl's phone number in 187 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: my cell phone, and that's just such an injustice. Because 188 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: I'm so magnificent. I deserve girls much more than all 189 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: those slobs I see at my college who are somehow 190 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: able to walk around with beautiful girls. I mean, even 191 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: in the college town that I stay in during my semesters. 192 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 1: As I walk around like the common areas of those towns, 193 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: or the areas where all the college parties happen, I 194 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: see these obnoxious guys walking with beautiful girls, and that 195 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: kisses me off because I should be the one with 196 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: the girls. I mean, look at me, I'm gorgeous, but 197 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:10,239 Speaker 1: you girls don't see it. I don't understand why you're 198 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: so repulsed by me. So to Dr Carol Lieberman, l 199 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: A forensic psychiatrist and author of Lions and Tigers and 200 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: Terrorists Oh My. You can find it on Amazon. Dr Carroll. 201 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: How does his it's like he's fascinated with women, yet 202 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: angry with women that they won't date him or sleep 203 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: with him. How does that transform? How does that manifest 204 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: in mass murder? Well, you know it's interesting, Um, he 205 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: actually wasn't a bad looking guy, and plus he has 206 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: all these kouterments and all that, but women must obviously 207 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: have picked up on how damaged he was psychologically. You 208 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: know that there was something really wrong with this guy 209 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: because just looking at him, you know, you wouldn't necessarily 210 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: he he he wouldn't seem less attractive, I mean in 211 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: all different ways than these other guys. But if they 212 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: sensed something wrong inside. And something wrong inside mainly came 213 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: from his parents divorce and his father remarrying a woman 214 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: who really didn't like him, wanted to get rid of 215 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: him and um and got his father to to not 216 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: really pay very much attention to him. One of the 217 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: most interesting things is the interview that his father did 218 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: um with on television with Barbara Walters afterwards, and that 219 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: you could see so the disconnect that his father had 220 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: towards his son. He was saying, I don't know how 221 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: this happened. Um, you know, I don't know how my 222 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: son wouldn't have killed all these people. I I don't 223 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: get that. And yet when you really look into their background, 224 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: it was so troubled for so many years, and and 225 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: his father really was ignoring him. I want to I 226 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: want to figure that out, Alan Deet. We always hear 227 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: killers somehow blame their parents. I mean from me on 228 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: the outside looking in. They lived in a Beverly Hills 229 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: mansion with the pool. He went to great schools. His 230 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: parents were sending him to college. I mean, I know 231 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: his father was a famous director. I've looked at pictures 232 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: of him, Elliott Roger on the red carpet with his dad, 233 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: But uh did how does that translate the dad working? 234 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: I mean, my dad worked on the railroad, like yours dad. 235 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: He's gone all the time. But I felt that he 236 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: was doing it to support us, just like my mom. Right. Well, 237 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: this is what made him very bitter, because yes, when 238 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: he came, when he was living in Los Angeles in 239 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: his younger days, he had this more luxury. But then 240 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: his parents split up when he was a kid, his 241 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: father went one way. He stayed mostly with his mother, 242 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: who didn't make a lot of money as a research 243 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: assistant for for films. Yeah. As a matter of fact, 244 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: his father, Peter Roger, is a top Hollywood hancho. He 245 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: was a director on Hunger Games. His grandfather, George Roger, 246 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: was a legend in the world of photography and a 247 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: founding member of Magnum Photos. Now, his mom, Chien Roger, 248 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: a nurse from Malaysia. As Alan was telling you, the 249 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: dad and mom divorced and he married a French Moroccan 250 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: actress who stars in the French version of Real Housewives. Now, see, 251 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: I didn't even know that Real Housewives were international. I 252 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: mean I knew they were in California and New York, 253 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Uh I guess there's one in Jerseys. I 254 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: had no idea they were all over the world. So 255 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: that's given me a tiny peek into the lifestyle. Alan 256 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: is talking about. How did this kid, Elliott Roger, who 257 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: brags about three hundred dollar Armani sunglasses and a forty 258 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: dollar BMW probably that Katy Perry concerts flying first class? 259 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: How does he end up being a mass murderer. Elliott 260 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: Roger here, Well, this is my last video. It all 261 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: has to come to this. There's a brand new website 262 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: causing a lot of trouble for people with something to hide. 263 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: Have you ever had a bad feeling about somebody? 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Go to truth finder dot com 282 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: slash nancy and enter any name to get started. Hi, 283 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: Elliott Roger here, Well, this is my last video. It 284 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: all has to come to this tomorrow. It's the day 285 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: of retribution, the day in which I will have my 286 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: revenge against humanity, against all of you. For the last 287 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: eight years of my life, ever since I've hit puberty, 288 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: I've been forced to endure an existence of loneliness, rejection, 289 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: and unfulfilled desires, all because girls have never been attracted 290 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: to me. Girls gave their affection and sex and love 291 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: to other men, but never to me. I'm twenty two 292 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: years old and I'm still a virgin. I've never even 293 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: kissed a girl. I've been through college for two and 294 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: a half years more than that, actually, and I'm still 295 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: a virgin. Has been very tortuous. College is the time 296 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: when everyone experiences things such as sex and fun and pleasure. 297 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: In those years, I've had to rotten loneliness. It's not fair. 298 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 1: You are listening to mass killer, a so called evil 299 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: genius in his own words as Elliott Roger, the son 300 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: of Hunger Games, one of the directors his stepmother, the 301 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: star of the French Real Housewives and an actress who 302 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: had roles in Lovelace and Playing for Keeps. He ends 303 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: up murdering six people in Santa Barbara because he was 304 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: frustrated he was still a virgin. I want to go 305 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: to Alan Duke, who has been on the case from 306 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: the very beginning. How did the killings go down? Well? 307 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: After years of planning and the building anger and frustration. 308 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: He actually planned to do it at one time, but 309 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: broke his leg just before war and delayed it. But 310 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: then we get to May of fourteen and he starts 311 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: executing his plan. He lives in an apartment with three roommates, 312 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: people he didn't like and people he resented, so the 313 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: first thing he had to do in his mind was 314 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: take them out, his three roommates. After killing his roommates, 315 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: he drove his BMW to the Alpha Pie sorority house 316 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: at the University of California, Santa Barbara. There he banged 317 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: on the sorority door, expecting them to open it, but 318 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: they looked out and they said, no, we're not letting 319 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: him in. So he turned around, went down the sidewalk 320 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: and there were three young sorority members who were walking 321 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: up the side the sidewalk and he shot them, all 322 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: three of them. Take a listen to what an actual 323 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: survivor of this mass killer has to say. His face. 324 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: He smiles at me and just start shooting, like like 325 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: a smirky, grimacey smile. But it was a smile. He 326 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: was just he wanted to do this. He looked happy 327 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: about it. I honestly, first of all, it didn't seem real. 328 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: I thought, is this rubber bullets? And then I realized 329 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: I'm bleeding, I'm in pain. I had to call my mom. 330 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: I just told her I've been shot. I don't know 331 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: what happened. It's crazy, but I love you. I'm afraid 332 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna die. I love you so much, so much, 333 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: I love you so much. I'm angry that it happened 334 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: and that it does still happen. We need to change 335 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: this violence. How did he slip through the cracks? Shouldn't happen? 336 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: The question is how did he slipped through the cracks? Well, 337 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: apparently there were warning signs. International feed get him in 338 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: the group and trying to help him. He was really 339 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: really upset about why is the world so unfair to him? 340 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: And oh, I'm a good looking by and my girl's 341 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: flying for those ugly fat guys. Sometimes I don't want 342 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: to hang out with him because he's so depressing. He 343 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: never actually made me feel that there's a right fact. 344 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: Let me watching with a group of friends. It's called Chronicle. 345 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: After the movie, he told me that, oh, I want 346 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: to dominate the world. Like well, the shooting was going on, 347 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: I was in the bar with my friend. I saw 348 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: a picture of his car, so I was really shocked. 349 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is Elias car. I started to see 350 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: some news feedback on Facebook and I was totally shocked. 351 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: I was disappointed. I think he's a really lonely guy. 352 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: I mean, if he had received more love, then I 353 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: don't think it will get that bad. That was Andy Khan, 354 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: a friend of so called evil genius Elliott Roger. Now, Alan, 355 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: what can you tell me about his mom having cops 356 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: to a welfare check on her son the week before? Well, 357 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: she was noticing on April twenty four that these videos 358 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: that he was posting, and she was disturbed, so she 359 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: called to Santa Barbara to ask the police to go 360 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: and check on him. So, in fact, they did. Several 361 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: cops knocked on his apartment door, and he thought that 362 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: he thought he was found out, and but they never 363 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: went in. They just talked to him briefly and decided, no, 364 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: this guy doesn't seem suicidal. He seems okay. Because so 365 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: he was able to bluff his way out of it, 366 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: and they left him alone. And it was not long 367 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: until he launched his massacre. This was actually two weeks 368 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: before then. Wow. The attack we're talking about um often 369 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: called the Ila Vista murders, began when Elliott Rogers stabs 370 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: three guys to death in his apartment. They were his roommates. 371 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: Then he drives to a sorority house. She's three female 372 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: students outside. Then he drives past to Delhi and she's 373 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: another man else student to death inside. He begins speeding 374 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: through the town, shooting and wounding pedestrians, striking other people 375 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: with his car. He exchanges gunfire with police during all 376 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: of this. It goes on. Take a listen to one 377 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: of the victims, father, Richard Martinez. He's our only child. 378 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: I'm sixty one years old. Now I'll never happen to 379 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: the child. He's gone. So the reason I'm doing this 380 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: right now just to try to see if you take 381 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: my son's death means something, because that's all we've got. 382 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: He was our tild the nice, uh and tough. If 383 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: there's all these things in the meta about the shooter 384 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: and there's nothing about the victims, then it sends the 385 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: wrong message, and that people need to understand that real 386 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: people died here and they need to know put faces 387 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: and names and histories to the people people who died 388 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: to make it real for them. We're all proud to 389 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: be Americans. But what kind of message does it send 390 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: too the world when we have such a such a 391 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: such a rudderless bunch of idiots in government. I can't 392 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: tell you how angry I am. It's just awful. And 393 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: no parents should have to go through this, no parent 394 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: to have a kid die because in this kind of 395 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: a situation, wh what has changed? Have we learned? Nothing? 396 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: These things are going to continue until somebody does something. 397 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: So where the hell is? It's these people we elected 398 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: Congress and we spend so much money on These people 399 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: are getting rich sitting in Congress, and what do they do? 400 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: They don't take care of our kids. My kid died. 401 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: Beg Nutty responded to what occurred at Sandy Hook. Those 402 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: Paris lost little kids. It's bad enough that I lost 403 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: my twenty year old, but I had twenty years with 404 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: my son. That's all I have. But does need the 405 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: lost too? It at six and seven years old? How 406 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: do you think, David listen to them now? Who's doing 407 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: anything for them? Now? To high profile l A defense 408 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: layer Troy Slayton and Wendy Patrick California prosecutor, Troy, I 409 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: know that that is so hard to hear. That is 410 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: the father of Christopher Michael's Martinez, one of the six 411 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: students murdered. That is happening across the country every single day. 412 00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: The heartbreak is raw and it it hurts to hear 413 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: or it, but that is the wake of pain that 414 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: crime leaves in the aftermath. And Troy, how do you 415 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: keep going to court? Of course you're on the other 416 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: side of the fence from me, as I'm a prosecutor minded, 417 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: but we hear the same thing. Do you numb yourself? 418 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: Do you try to put it out of your mind 419 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: when you leave the courtroom? How do you deal with 420 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: hearing that all the time? That type of suffering can 421 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: never get out of your mind and you can never 422 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:42,719 Speaker 1: numb yourself to the horrible hurt that crime victims all 423 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: across the country feel. When I'm in court, I'm focused 424 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: and concentrating on the constitution and making sure that the 425 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: process is done correctly, that everybody, especially the prosecutors, the 426 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: police in the court, are following the law. And if 427 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: my client does suffer a conviction, I want to make 428 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: sure that it was done by the book, that all 429 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: the rules were followed, and that the government didn't cut 430 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: corners and cheat in order to security. So you take 431 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: the focus off the emotion and focus on the constitution 432 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: and how to use the constitution as you should to 433 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: protect your client. Wendy Patrick with me, California prosecutor. I 434 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: always had a very very hard time um not being 435 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: too emotional. I just really could not remove my emotions 436 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: from the cases because I would be so involved with 437 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: the victims and their families and the witnesses that I 438 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: don't know how you can turn a blind eye or 439 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: a deaf ear to it. I mean, Wendy, one of 440 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: these victims, six slang victims, many men. The others injured. 441 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: The Wi and Wang suffered a total of fifteen stab 442 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: wounds and twenty three incision wounds to the head. Neck, chest, back, 443 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: both arms and hands. Chang suffered twenty five stab wounds. 444 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: George Chen suffered ninety four stab wounds, eleven incision wounds. 445 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: Katherine Cooper, one of the young girls, was shot eight times, 446 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: including once in the left side of the head. Veronica 447 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: Wise seven times, Christopher Michael Martinez shot once in the chest. 448 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: I mean the degree the level of violence, Wendy Patrick 449 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: is he didn't just shoot them, He killed them twenty times, 450 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: over right, Nancy. And you know that's exactly what he 451 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: said he was going to do online. And part of 452 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: the part of the challenge of being a good prosecutor 453 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: is maintaining that level of objectivity that you mentioned precludes 454 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: the risk where I should say never really precludes it, 455 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: but reduces the chances of becoming so emotionally involved in 456 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: the details of the criminality that you're not able to 457 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: fairly judge the case. And that's why we we look 458 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: at what are the jury instructions, say we have to 459 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: prove what are the elements? But you're right noticing all 460 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: of those little details. It's true you don't have to 461 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: prove motive, but it's always at least a clearer picture 462 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: for the try or effact if you can, and Elliott Roger, 463 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: in his own words, let us know exactly why he 464 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: did what he did. But Vincent Hill, private investigator, looking back, 465 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: people say there were red flags to his murder spree, 466 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: but I don't know that. I don't know that there were. Yes, 467 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: he whined all the time, but a lot of people 468 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: whine all the time. Yes he ignored his blessings and 469 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: focused on his perceived problems, but I don't really see 470 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: that as a red flag. A lot of people are 471 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: like that, Yeah, that's just it. And you know, the 472 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: police went and talked to this guy, and they saw 473 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: those signs of anything that they could have made an 474 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: arrest or committed him to a mental health facility. So yeah, 475 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: everyone complains, you know, everyone's rejected. Everyone wants a girlfriend. 476 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: I'm single, I want a girl print, But that doesn't 477 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: necessarily mean that the police would be able to come 478 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: in and arrest me for that or commit me to 479 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: a mental health facility. I hear you, Vincent Hill. There 480 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: are some earlier incidents. To Dr Carol Lieberman l a 481 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist and author, back in uh the previous July, 482 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: he followed a couple that he was jealous of out 483 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: of a Starbucks and threw coffee on them, just through 484 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: coffee on them. In a later instant, he threw coffee 485 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: on two girls sitting at a bus stop for not 486 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: smiling at him. Then he bought a super soaker. Are 487 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: you familiar with those that twins play with him? Whenever 488 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: we go to a pool and he feels it with 489 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: or juice and sprays the group playing kickball at a 490 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: park and I just find that very odd. He shoved 491 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: girls at a party over a ten feet ledge after 492 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: being mocked by them. Uh, he felt he tried to 493 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: shove them over, he failed and other boys pushed him 494 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: over and said instead, and he said he was angry 495 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: about that. A neighbor saw him come home crying. And interesting. 496 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you see all of these incidents that we 497 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: now know about, but Dr Carrol Lieberman, what do they 498 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: amount to? I don't think there's anything for police to 499 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: have acted on. Well, the problem is that no one 500 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: was really paying attention to him. I mean all of 501 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: these things were red flags, and um, you know when 502 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: the police came to his door and you know, decided 503 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: that he was fine, they didn't even look around his 504 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 1: apartment he had the gun in his bedroom. Um, you 505 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: know that was that was his parents or his family 506 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: doing too little, too late. And it kind of reminds 507 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: me of Nicholas Cruz where the police came to his 508 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: house a number of times and they never they never 509 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: arrested him, and they never committed him involuntarily to a 510 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: psych hospital. So there were these were things, and you know, 511 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: he didn't really make a secret of it, Like his 512 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: mother finally saw these things online. He was writing all 513 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: kinds of things online, posting. There were emails between him 514 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: and his father. Um, you know, it really wasn't so 515 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: much of a secret. It was that you just had 516 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: a look and you had to keep paying attention. And 517 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: I guess worst of all, Uh, he was in therapy 518 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: at different times in his life, and the therapist apparently didn't, um, 519 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: you know, warn anybody or or he They did at 520 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: least one wanted to prescribe some anti psychotic medication and 521 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: he refused to take it. Well, you know whatever. It's 522 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: not clear how old he was at the time, but 523 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: you know, if you're a caring parent, you make your 524 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: child take medication that you certainly realize there are problems 525 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: with the child. And then if a psychiatrist says to 526 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 1: take medication, you you you encourage him or make him 527 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 1: take it. So there were all these steps along the 528 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: way where he could have been stopped. You know, I 529 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: was looking at the manifesto, Alan do you who has 530 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: been on the story from the very very beginning. He 531 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 1: is also angry at one point that black guy managed 532 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: to get a girlfriend and not him. He says, quote, 533 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: I'm beautiful, I'm half white, and I'm descended from British aristocracy. 534 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 1: And he's angry because somebody of a different race has 535 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: a girlfriend. It's clearly, clearly he's got a very big 536 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: misunderstanding of humanity. He also goes on to talk about 537 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: how he had planned to kill his half sibling, his 538 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: half brother and stepmother. Yeah, he resented his his half brother, 539 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: who was the the child of the actress, the Moroccan actress. 540 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: His his dad actually introduced him to one of his 541 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: friends who was a screenwriter. And this is very Hollywood here. 542 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: Del Lawner was the writer of the movie Blind Date, Love, 543 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: Potion Number nine and Ruthless People. He actually hooked them 544 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: up and Lawner was giving him advice on how to 545 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: get a girlfriend. That was the the advice that his 546 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: dad gave him, but it didn't work. And in fact, 547 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: in that manifesto, that diary that he wrote called My 548 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: Twisted World, he says, uh that there's no way that 549 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: that advice would help him, unless that they could hypnotize 550 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: or change the minds of women, because women just do 551 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: not like me. Every night I'm got to sleep, I 552 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: wake up and I think of those young men, young 553 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: women that have died, are terrorized, and my son did that. 554 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: Mysa paused so much pain and suffering for so many families. 555 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: It's like a reverse nightmare situation when you go to 556 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: sleep normally you have a nightmare, and you wake up 557 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: and oh, everything's okay. Now I go to sleep, I 558 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: might have a nice dream, and then I wake up 559 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: and then slowly the truth of what happened dawns on 560 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: me and in my my son was a mass murderer. 561 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: There's no way I thought that this boy could even 562 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: could hurt the fleet. I mean, this is this is 563 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: the most unbelievable thing. What I don't get is we 564 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: didn't see this coming at all. This is the American 565 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: horror story, or the world's horror story. To have somebody 566 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: who on the outside is one thing and on the 567 00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: inside is something completely different and you don't see it. 568 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: That was the father of the so called Virgin killer, 569 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 1: Elliott Rogers to Wendy Patrick, Troy Slayton, Vincent Hill, Dr 570 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: Carol Lieberman, and Alan Jackie Howard, you know, to Wendy Patrick. 571 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: It makes me wonder if there are other victims we 572 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: don't know about, not part of that day of violence. 573 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: But now that I know about him following a couple 574 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: lot of Starbucks and throwing coffee because he was jealous 575 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: of them, or trying to push a group of girls 576 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: over a allege at a party, or throwing coffee on 577 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: two girls that didn't smile back at him, it makes 578 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: me wonder if there are other incidents in his background 579 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 1: that we have not connected to him exactly. Nath Nancy, 580 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: you know what he's doing you talk about a pathway 581 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: to violence, is he's testing the waters. He's practicing. He 582 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 1: begins with the grievance which he's expressed for the world 583 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: to see apparently for years online. Now he's taking it 584 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: to the next level. He's stepping up his game. He's 585 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:09,760 Speaker 1: actually engaging in physical activity directed towards others, and from 586 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: there we see some of the same type of threat assessments, 587 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: exhibitionist activity if you will, that he continues to prey 588 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: upon others, not so much in a sense where he's 589 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: become violent, but he's headed in that direction, as evidenced 590 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: by the incident you just explained. So when you say 591 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 1: there's no red flags, if we look back through enough 592 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: the years of his life, we can see a slow 593 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: but steady progression of these incidents that sadly ultimately culminated 594 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 1: in him acting out as he said he would in 595 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: the most recent videos he posted online. I still do 596 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: not see evidence of legal insanity, Alan Duke, What about 597 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: the fact that their whole life was fake? And it was. 598 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: It started out with some luxury, but then there was 599 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: a vorce and then the father made a business decision 600 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: as a filmmaker. He wanted to make this documentary titled 601 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: and can I say this? Oh My God? That was 602 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: actually the title of the movie. And it bombed. It 603 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: was a documentary and it was expensive. He lost a fortune. 604 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: Child support papers show that he was not able to 605 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 1: make his child support payments because of that. Elliott was 606 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: very upset about that and the fact that his mother, 607 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: who was a nurse, had taken a lower paying job 608 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 1: as a research assistant for film process So let me understand. 609 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: You're telling me that there fancy home in Beverly Hills, 610 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: they had to move, that they got a lower paying job, 611 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: and it's my understanding. He blamed his quote damnable mother 612 00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: for not marrying a rich man. Despite designer clothes being 613 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: w the el vis to shooting per Elliott Rogers, wealthy 614 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: surroundings were diminishing. His father, director went in debt. The 615 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: mom took a job as a research assistant for a 616 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:27,240 Speaker 1: film company. And you're learning this from what their divorced documents. 617 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 1: He wrote this in his My Twisted World hundred and 618 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,359 Speaker 1: seven thousand word story, the diary that he kept over 619 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: several years. But also divorce papers support that too, so 620 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: he's still they still had all their rich friends, so 621 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: they would get tickets to, for instance, the Katie Perry concert, 622 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: and he writes, quote, I tried to pretend as if 623 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 1: I was part of a wealthy family. I should be. 624 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 1: That was the life I was meant to live, I 625 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: would be, And he blamed his parents for his lack 626 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: of money. He was angry at his mom to doctor 627 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: Carol Lieberman, Allen is right. She started dating wealthy men 628 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: after she and the dad were divorced, which gave the 629 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,320 Speaker 1: son to shoot her hope, and he began to beg 630 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 1: her to marry one of the rich guys. He says, 631 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: and I'm quoting, I will always resent my mother for 632 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: refusing to do this. If not for her sake, she 633 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: should have done it for mine. Joining a family of 634 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 1: great wealth would have truly saved my life. I would 635 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: have had a high enough status to attract beautiful girlfriends 636 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 1: and live above all of my enemies. What is that, 637 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 1: doctor Carol Lieberman. Well, he's feeling kind of desperate and 638 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,279 Speaker 1: feeling like he needs this to to get girls to love, 639 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 1: to love him, and to have sex with him, primarily. Um. 640 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: What's so interesting is that he's displacing his rage towards 641 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: his bio logical mother, the woman he wants to have 642 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: to marry a rich man, and towards his stepmother who 643 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: alienated his father from him, and his his anger towards 644 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: these women, I mean, besides the fact that they wouldn't 645 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 1: have sex with him or go out with him, he 646 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 1: was also getting back and his mother and his stepmother 647 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: by killing them. Well, it is his own mother was 648 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: working so hard, but she was very generous to him. 649 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: She was paying his rent and gave him the BMW 650 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:38,799 Speaker 1: that allowed him to live in that community and basically 651 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: show off. Then how alan do you did he afford 652 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: to buy three handguns because they gave him an allowance 653 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,320 Speaker 1: of several hundred dollars that he put away for years 654 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 1: because he was planning this. Not only the handguns, but 655 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: his final plan before killing people was if he could 656 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,919 Speaker 1: win the powerball lottery, all of his troubles would be done. 657 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,240 Speaker 1: So he would drive He would drive hundreds of miles 658 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: to Nevada across the border in order to buy lottery tickets. 659 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,920 Speaker 1: And it was finally after he exhausted thousands of dollars 660 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,240 Speaker 1: doing that four trips to buy them, that he decided 661 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 1: that he was not going to be a wealthy man 662 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: and he wasn't going to be another Mark Zuckerberg because 663 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 1: he couldn't invent something, so he had to kill What 664 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: about that? To Vincent Hill, private investigator, how do you 665 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,840 Speaker 1: go about tracking that someone was trying to play California's 666 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,800 Speaker 1: Mega Millions lottery whenever the jack would rise like about 667 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: a hundred million. How do you track him? He would 668 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,760 Speaker 1: actually drive to Arizona multiple times to buy paraball lottery chances, 669 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,360 Speaker 1: and then he would go into a rage whenever he 670 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,319 Speaker 1: didn't rent win, which was every time, of course, how 671 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,399 Speaker 1: do you go about tracking those movements? Yeah, it's it's 672 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,839 Speaker 1: very difficult, Nancy. First you'd have to be tipped off 673 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: to anything that he may be up to. Then you 674 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 1: may have to get a supe to look at credit 675 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 1: card receipts for gas, anything like that, veal surveillance, all 676 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: of that. It's very painstaking. But first you have to 677 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: be tipped off that this person is planning something or 678 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 1: up to no good. You know, he's been described as 679 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 1: an evil genius. But Troy Slayton, when you look at 680 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: what he's saying, he he says, I had no talents. 681 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: It was impossible for me to become a professional actor, 682 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: musician or athlete. I mean the idea of just working, 683 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:38,880 Speaker 1: working for a living and saving your money and living 684 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: a normal life, I guess I would call it. Did that? 685 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,319 Speaker 1: How does that escape someone that is actually so intelligent? 686 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: Did it ever occur to him he could actually work 687 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,239 Speaker 1: for a living? I mean, how many crimes are connected 688 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,839 Speaker 1: to people. They just don't want to work, They don't 689 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,080 Speaker 1: want to punch a clock, they don't want to show up, 690 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,799 Speaker 1: they want easy money. Well, I think that your other 691 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 1: guests phrased it really well. This was a young man 692 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,320 Speaker 1: who was dealing with a psychosis. This is not something 693 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 1: that a normal person does. He they wanted to put 694 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:22,800 Speaker 1: him on antipsychotic medications. That means he displayed such emotions, 695 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:27,880 Speaker 1: He displayed such an affect that those around him wanted 696 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 1: to medicate him. And there were some reports that he 697 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:35,919 Speaker 1: did receive some counseling and medications at some point. So 698 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,400 Speaker 1: this is not somebody who had a normal brain chemistry. 699 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,080 Speaker 1: And whether or not that would rise to the level 700 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 1: of insanity and court uh, I'm not sure, but it's 701 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 1: a very good possibility to Wendy patcheck. You know what, 702 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,000 Speaker 1: if you go along, you can see all these pictures 703 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: that people post of I mean, have you ever looked 704 00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:02,600 Speaker 1: at rich kids of Instagram? I mean really? Uh? Or 705 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,960 Speaker 1: people online like laying on the bed full of money 706 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 1: and it's like get rich or die, and they've got 707 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 1: guns and money. Everybody wants, not everybody, but there is 708 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,640 Speaker 1: a group in our world that wants quick money, easy 709 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,879 Speaker 1: without working for it, and the way to do that 710 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,319 Speaker 1: is through crime. This love of money, not money the 711 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,160 Speaker 1: root of evil, But the love of money is a 712 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,680 Speaker 1: root of evil, Wendy, I mean you've got to see 713 00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,240 Speaker 1: it all the time. Oh, absolutely, And I think everybody 714 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,280 Speaker 1: sees it all the time when you really think it through. 715 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,200 Speaker 1: There are some philanthropists that are generous with their money. 716 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,800 Speaker 1: They understand that the best things in life are free, 717 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,480 Speaker 1: and they live accordingly. But you're also correct that, gosh, 718 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: one glance on Instagram will also show you that showing 719 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 1: off wealth is seeing as a status symbol, and to 720 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 1: somebody like Elliott Roger who had a taste of wealth 721 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,319 Speaker 1: but never knew the other Sadly, although it looks like 722 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,480 Speaker 1: he did grow up with loving parents, you're right that 723 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 1: mental issues certainly complicate the analysis of did he know 724 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,560 Speaker 1: what he was doing? 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