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Speaker 1: Hey, there're folks. It is Saturday, October fourth, and one

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Speaker 1: of the big headline grabbing stories this week. A woman

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Speaker 1: is facing nearly fifty charges related to sexual misconduct involving

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Speaker 1: teenage boys, and she's a former teacher. Welcome to this

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Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ Robes. The details you hear.

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Speaker 1: Someone has been involved up to ten victims. She's a

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Speaker 1: thirty one year old woman. These are thirteen to fifteen

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Speaker 1: year old kids. And some of the details here. You

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Speaker 1: said it before I hit record. What the actual.

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Speaker 2: Fuck it's it's you can't even believe what you're reading.

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Speaker 2: In fact, when I first told you, when I saw

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Speaker 2: the headlines, when I started reading the details, you didn't

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Speaker 2: believe it. Oh yeah, he said, who's reporting that? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that can't be real.

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Speaker 1: Oh THHW some national choire or something.

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Speaker 2: So exactly so. She is an ex institute teacher now

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Speaker 2: at Eminence High School in Martinsville, Indiana. She also was

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Speaker 2: a middle school teacher correct as well math teacher. She

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Speaker 2: was arrested in the spring when one young man, one teenager,

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Speaker 2: came forward, but since then it has snowballed and the

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Speaker 2: details about what she is accused of doing, including having

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Speaker 2: and forcing group sex, and then forcing these teen boys

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Speaker 2: to wear the scream mask. You know, Ghostface, you know

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Speaker 2: the movie, that scary mask. She allegedly made them put

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Speaker 2: the mask on while having sex with her in front

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Speaker 2: of a group of teenage boys. And this didn't just

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Speaker 2: happen once. This happened apparently multiple multiple times.

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Speaker 1: I cannot believe this story. Yes, that detail makes some

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Speaker 1: headlines and people, it's making its way around social media

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Speaker 1: and whatnot, but this is a disturbing, a scary, and

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Speaker 1: awful story at this point. Yes, these are allegations, so

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Speaker 1: we have to say that, but we are talking about

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Speaker 1: this idea of grooming, this idea of someone who we

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Speaker 1: trust with our children preying on our children, and this

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Speaker 1: we are talking multiple victims. This is one of those

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Speaker 1: things that snowball that we've seen cases before, where one

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Speaker 1: there's one victim and then somebody else feels comfortable coming forward,

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Speaker 1: and this thing snowballed.

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Speaker 2: And now six months later after the initial boy came forward,

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Speaker 2: So it's police aren't even sure how many victims you're

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Speaker 2: to go tell their parents. And there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: evidence according to police, cell phone pictures, videos, and certainly

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Speaker 2: they all had the same scary, creepy story to tell. Also,

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Speaker 2: we should point out Britney Fortenberry, that's her name, thirty

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Speaker 2: not shockingly her her husband divorced her, I believe, or

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Speaker 2: filed for divorce the month before the allegations came out.

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Speaker 2: But she also has a four year old child. And

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Speaker 2: get this, the husband is implicated in some of this.

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Speaker 2: He is actually facing charges himself in this. It really

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Speaker 2: is a hard to believe story.

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Speaker 1: And it's also hard to believe that robes. At least

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Speaker 1: according to the kids, this was something that was just known.

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Speaker 1: The kids knew that was happening. It was talked about

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Speaker 1: Now we'll go back to March when that first kid

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Speaker 1: came forward. This kid was fifteen years old at the

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Speaker 1: This teacher, claimed that she had sent naked photos to

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Speaker 1: her grandson, gave him drugs, specifically mushrooms, before having sex

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Speaker 1: I thought this was an interesting thing to add. The

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Speaker 1: to happen to any other kids, This fifteen year old.

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Speaker 2: First of all, he's not old enough to give consent,

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Speaker 2: his teacher, would put her own child to bed and

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Speaker 2: naked photos of her. She wanted photos of them. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this was just it feels like it was non stop.

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Speaker 2: This seems almost when you hear these reports and how

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Speaker 2: many times and how many young kids, it's as if

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Speaker 2: it was almost a second job. This took a lot

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Speaker 2: And it looks as though her husband knew what was

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's been charged with intimidation and something else.

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Speaker 1: He's not implicated in actually having any involvement in the

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Speaker 1: molestation of the boys. But according to police, the victims

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Speaker 1: told them he was aware the husband was and what

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Speaker 1: was it he threatened the kids?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so I can actually tell you. Detective Patrick Williams

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Speaker 2: that her husband Nicholas was aware of his wife's criminal

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Speaker 2: his wife until they were older. He threatened to kill

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Speaker 2: this young boy an age requirement to resume having sex

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Speaker 2: with his wife, but until then, if he did it again,

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Speaker 2: he was going to threaten that. He threatened this boy

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Speaker 1: So he is facing charge. You said he filed for

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Speaker 2: I believe he filed for divorce in February and the

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Speaker 2: charges came to light in March.

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Speaker 1: So this story again shocking when you first hear about it,

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Speaker 1: other boys came forward. And here we are in October.

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Speaker 1: This was back in March. Now here we are in October,

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Speaker 1: still having victims come forward. I wonder robes will there

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Speaker 1: be more, because officially there's at least eight victims I believe.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw a higher account, but

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Speaker 2: So when the first few boys came forward, police were

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Speaker 2: telling reporters they think as many as ten. It could

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Speaker 2: they oftentimes do have countless numbers of victims, many of

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Speaker 2: to this story. They don't want people looking at them differently.

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Speaker 2: It's humiliating to think that this woman drugged them and

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Speaker 2: paid them. It's just not anything. I don't think anyone

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Speaker 2: more victims? Not technically, but is it likely? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: This is one we have to be and don't you

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Speaker 1: feel I don't know about the coverage necessarily, but when

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Speaker 1: we see it's a female teacher doing this to a

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Speaker 1: male student, it reads differently to a certain degree, or

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Speaker 1: with it. Can you imagine a thirteen year old thirteen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you should be a very different story. The point

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Speaker 2: being is there's still this and it's not fair, but

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Speaker 2: this idea of a hot teacher, that it's a young

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Speaker 2: boy's fantasy to have the hot teacher, make a pass

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Speaker 2: almost seems like wink, wink, nod, nod, way to go,

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Speaker 2: young son. You know, you were able to fulfill every

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Speaker 2: young kid's fantasy of having sex with the hot teacher. So, yes,

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Speaker 2: it's unfair because we put that on the young boys.

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Speaker 2: It somehow it's a good thing, or it's an okay thing,

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Speaker 1: Period. But that's important, and that's something that folks who

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Speaker 1: work in the area of child sexual abuse victims they say,

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Speaker 1: it's so important that you scream and scream and scream

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Speaker 1: on a case like this, that you need to understand

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Speaker 1: this is not voluntary. She did what is frankly typical

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Speaker 1: when you find child sex abuses. She groomed. These kids

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Speaker 1: they were getting drugs. No, no, no, these kids are

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Speaker 1: absolutely abuse victims. And she groomed them and unfortunately what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, you know, just to even know

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Speaker 2: So it's you know, he's getting charged with intimidation, but

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Speaker 2: also he had a civic duty, a moral duty, a

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Speaker 2: That so I think, I think about the double intimidation

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Speaker 2: You're a young kid, who do you turn to? Who

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Speaker 2: At that point, there's a lot I can't even imagine

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Speaker 1: You said, who's going to believe you, even when you've

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Speaker 1: told me the details, I didn't believe what you were saying.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is nuts. This cannot be happening. Obviously

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Speaker 1: she wouldn't do this. And I know anybody, if you're

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Speaker 1: listening to the story, you're wondering, well, what in God's

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Speaker 1: name was she thinking? What is wrong with this woman?

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Speaker 1: And what possible defense could she have for herself? Well,

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Speaker 1: she has one, and her defense attorneys are giving us

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to this edition of Amy and TJ. And

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Speaker 2: we are talking about a story that is so disturbing

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Speaker 2: and so bizarre it's actually hard to believe. But this

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Speaker 2: is happening in the state of Indiana. A former math teacher,

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Speaker 2: she was a high school teacher at one point, a

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Speaker 2: middle school teacher at another point, is now facing forty

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Speaker 2: seven counts after at least ten boys have now come forward,

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Speaker 2: underage kids, teenagers, some of them in high school, some

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Speaker 2: of them in middle school, saying that this teacher, their teacher,

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Speaker 2: drugged them and then sexually abused them. And there are

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Speaker 2: even allegations of forced group sex making these kids wear

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Speaker 2: of killing them, threats of killing herself, and these allegations

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Speaker 2: have continued to pile up over the past six months.

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Speaker 2: So all of us are thinking, she's thirty one years old,

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Speaker 2: she has a four year old child, she had a husband.

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Speaker 2: What is going on with this woman? She said a

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Speaker 1: You kept mentioning this.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know this was wild, she said. She wished

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Speaker 2: She told the police she wished she hadn't lost the

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Speaker 1: That's one of a number of I want to say

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Speaker 1: some of it is still just bizarre. The screen mask thing,

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Speaker 2: But I think look, in most moments where you have

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Speaker 2: extreme acts of repugnance or even violence, a lot of

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Speaker 2: people would say, yeah, you snap in that moment. But

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Speaker 2: on for months. This wasn't just a one off or

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Speaker 2: One of the boys said that he was coming over

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Speaker 2: I think he thought maybe he was special, and when

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Speaker 2: he realized, holy crap, she's doing this with a countless

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Speaker 2: But this is what her defense team has said. I'll

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Speaker 2: read you the quote counsel has a good faith believe

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Speaker 2: the wrongfulness of her conduct at the time of the offense.

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Speaker 2: I find that hard to believe. When you're threatening a

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Speaker 2: to me, that means you can reason by that act

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Speaker 2: alone that what you're doing is wrong. If you're telling

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Speaker 2: on you, so to speak, that means you know what

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Speaker 2: you're doing is wrong.

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Speaker 1: I wh no how a defense lawyer with uh, because

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Speaker 1: trying to remember, I've heard this exact thing before, Like,

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Speaker 1: you can't claim mental illness or a mental break when

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Speaker 1: they set bond at a maybe up to two hundred

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Speaker 2: Do you know what's wild? She's been These charges keep accruing,

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Speaker 2: so she keeps getting charged and then rearranged. Like the

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Speaker 2: initial charge. I think it was a six hundred dollars bond.

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Speaker 2: Think about how low that was, and then to find

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Speaker 2: But my goodness, this is just it's hard to get

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Speaker 2: your head around this story.

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Speaker 1: It's a heartbreaking story, and we might not be done

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Speaker 1: hearing about victims again. Britney Forton Berry is her name,

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Speaker 1: thirty one years old, a former substitute teacher in Indiana,

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Speaker 1: now charged with forty seven counts related to having sex

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Speaker 1: with underage boys up to ten. I think you just

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's the latest count. I mean, it's sad when

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Speaker 2: you lose count because there were so many different moments

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Speaker 2: when these boys came forward.

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Speaker 1: All right, but this is again in Martinsville, Indiana. Will

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Speaker 1: keep our eyes on this story. But again A crime

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Speaker 1: story this week that was making a lot of headlines

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Speaker 1: that we wanted to hop on and tell you true

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Speaker 1: crime junkies about so that folks always appreciate you hanging

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Speaker 1: with us. From Miss Samy Robaka, I am TJ. Holmes.

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Speaker 1: See y'all soon.