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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, twenty five,

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Speaker 1: Episode two.

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Speaker 2: Of Dy's I Guys Stay production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dib

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Speaker 1: into America's share gosh, and it is Tuesday, almost Thursday,

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Speaker 1: February thirteenth, twenty twenty four. Fuck Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 2: Shit, fuck tomorrow, isn't it. I guess I better go

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Speaker 2: to CBS and buy some more Google Play gift cards.

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Speaker 1: This actually did just fuck me up because we're recording

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Speaker 1: this week advance, and I forgot we were recording it

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Speaker 1: a week in advance, and I was like, oh oh

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Speaker 1: you really were like fuck yeah.

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Speaker 2: I guess for people who don't know it's Gallantine's Day,

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Speaker 2: I thought that was just a bit from Parks and

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Speaker 2: rec It's also a fast knock day. It's I guess,

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Speaker 2: the day before ash Wednesday. It's already ash wedzay ash Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Hell yea, yeah, Gotley. I hope you all got something

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Speaker 2: to give up.

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Speaker 1: Catholics mark themselves.

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Speaker 2: Here National Cheddar Day. Oh right, so it's Fat Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: meaning mon Day Tuesday. As I know, as I grew

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Speaker 2: up in the church, we know it as Monday Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: National to day National Pancake Day. But that's courtesy of

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Speaker 2: the people at the International House of Bond Cake. Oh really, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they you know, because half of these days are you know,

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Speaker 2: half of these days are just like some companies like, just.

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Speaker 3: Make my fucking product a national day, Big Pancakes House.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Well, my name is Jack O'Brien aka Sprained Tain't. I

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Speaker 1: got a real complaint. Why don't my shit smell like

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Speaker 1: fresh mow grass?

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Speaker 2: Sprained Tain't, I got a real complaint.

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Speaker 1: Why can I spray alfalfa out my asshole? That is

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Speaker 1: courtesy of Cleo Universe, in reference to.

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Speaker 2: The discovery last week that sprinked is.

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Speaker 1: The what which animal water ottershit Otter ship is called sprint.

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Speaker 1: It smells like freshman grass. Yeah, and I'm very jealous

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Speaker 1: of otters. I want my ship to smell like that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I kind of like when I take

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Speaker 2: a nasty shit, it's kind of reminds you that you're alive. Yeah, like,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, I'm fucking my body processed poison.

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Speaker 1: That part is just decomposing a little bit faster than

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Speaker 1: the rest of you. This is who I am. Fucking

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Speaker 1: we die. I'm gonna eventually smell like that all over

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Speaker 1: when I'm in the ground, So yeah, stop pretending otherwise.

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Speaker 1: From once weekend, I'm thrilled to be joined as always

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Speaker 1: by my co host.

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Speaker 2: Mister Miles Gray.

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Speaker 4: Akay, what that fucking skull do Einstein?

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Speaker 2: What that fucking skull do? A what that fucking skull

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Speaker 2: do Einstein? No stip to skull based Oh shit, this

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Speaker 2: guy's IQ. We Israeli high. Okay, shut out to blinky head.

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Speaker 4: Just you know Einstein, whether or not he ever took

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Speaker 4: an IQ test, But what that skull do?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: What that skull do though Einstein? Yeah, doesn't matter. By

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Speaker 1: the way, we're not pro phrenology on this podcast.

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Speaker 2: I am. I'm pro stinky shits, And for phrenology, you're

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Speaker 2: coming out with all the very I'm just telling you

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Speaker 2: everything is measurable with what you can see or smell.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to do anything. It's just all there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I measure and yeah, it's all it's all there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: don't don't you live. Some people of the NBA also

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Speaker 2: keep employing the dark arts.

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Speaker 1: Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our

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Speaker 1: third seat by an author, musician, Yes and podcast host

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Speaker 1: of the anarchists survivalist podcast Live Like the World Is

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Speaker 1: Dying and the Cool Zone Media Robert and Sophie Lichterman's

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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media podcast Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff?

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Speaker 1: Please welcome Margaret kill John.

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Speaker 2: That's me.

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Speaker 5: I didn't prepare a song. I'm sorry. AKA Magpie. That's right, Yeah, right,

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Speaker 5: that's right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What's the thing about Magpie is the bird? Like?

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Speaker 5: What did they steal things?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: That is how I got the name.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, they steal shiny stuff, right, and like build

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Speaker 1: a little shiny like bachelor pad thing to impress.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're a shiny object collector, like like crows and ravens.

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Speaker 5: They're pretty related.

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Speaker 2: Do they have the same like memory too, Like how

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Speaker 2: crows will be like yo, fukal one crow. It could

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Speaker 2: be smoke from the whole murder. I think.

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Speaker 5: So, only a group of magpies is called it tiding.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's so much nicer.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's I mean, I like to take it as

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Speaker 2: But right with tidings to.

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Speaker 1: You, they say before they rob your ass, exactly, Wait,

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Speaker 1: what were you what were you stealing?

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Speaker 2: What were you coming up on all the time?

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Speaker 5: Mostly food and books? I guess when I was funny. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I got it for two reasons. One, I would like

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Speaker 5: find little rusty and shiny things in like the street.

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Speaker 5: When I was walking around, I was like a crosspunk squad,

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Speaker 5: and so I would pick up little rusty things and

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Speaker 5: make weird, bad jewelry with it, eventually learn how to

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Speaker 5: make better jewelry. And then the other thing is, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I used to shoplift, yeah, like it was my job,

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Speaker 5: because it kind of was, because that's how I fed myself,

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Speaker 5: bet my friends. Yeah, I would never advocate.

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Speaker 2: Oh whatever, do whatever you want. Yeah, yeah, whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: Do what you gotta do, do what you gotta do. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, we wanted to have you on to talk about

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Speaker 1: cool people, to do cool stuff, and then we found

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Speaker 1: out about Live like the World's dying, and so we're torn.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk to you about both. I were

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Speaker 1: really interested in that. But before we get into both

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Speaker 1: of those things, we do like to get to know

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Speaker 1: you a little bit better by asking you, Margaret, what's

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Speaker 1: something from your search history that's revealing about who you are?

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Speaker 5: This week I searched timeline of different countries independence from Britain.

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Speaker 5: Mm hmm, okay, because my job is researching history, and

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Speaker 5: then I want to know all of the fussy details.

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Speaker 5: That's what I came up with.

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Speaker 2: How's it always how's it usually go for them?

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Speaker 5: How's that for people who leave Britain or Britain?

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Speaker 2: Smooth?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, really smooth. It is a lot of different methods,

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Speaker 5: most of them involve shooting British people. Yeah, that is

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Speaker 5: the primary way by which people have gained independence from Britain.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who Who's who did it? Who did it? Bloodless?

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Speaker 2: Like Ghana?

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Speaker 5: I mean, oh, I don't actually know. I mean obviously

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Speaker 5: there's the ones like like India was like had a

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Speaker 5: and you can contrast that with Ireland, which had a

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Speaker 5: Well, and then there's the whole that's the that's the

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Speaker 5: week is the Easter Rising and all of the early

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Speaker 1: But yeah, no it.

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Speaker 5: I guess the cleaner break you make with Britain, the

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Speaker 5: good clean break with Britain. Yeah, so anyway, but yeah,

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Speaker 5: my sourci history is all I do is sit around

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Speaker 5: and read history books. Now instead of being a like

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Speaker 2: Some shiny shit though, you know, just just just so

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Speaker 2: you can feel it one more time. Yeah right, What's

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Speaker 2: what's something you think is overrated? Okay?

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Speaker 5: I picked? I picked prepping stuff as for my over

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Speaker 5: and under perfect Okay, overrated is bunkers and canned food.

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Speaker 2: M okay for preparedness. Wait and okay, yeah this got

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Speaker 2: just flooded back there. This dude just came through my

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Speaker 2: so bunkers. I think, what the obvious reason? At least

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Speaker 2: It's like, how are you going to maintain a bunker?

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Speaker 2: Like if anything goes wrong? But what from your perspective,

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Speaker 2: what's the what's the overrated part of the bunker?

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Speaker 5: Well it's like, don't get me wrong, if I had

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Speaker 5: an extra seventy thousand dollars, I wasn't doing anything else

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Speaker 5: with I'd probably have a bunker for like tornadoes and stuff, right, yeah,

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Speaker 5: but overall this like mentality of oh, the way that

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Speaker 5: what watch TV until you die?

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Speaker 1: You watch Friends until the end of the world, like

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Speaker 1: the world behind?

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Speaker 2: But yeah, did you really? I say.

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Speaker 1: The thing that annoyed me was that they were like

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Speaker 1: were like, yeah, people who have bunkers, the very wealthy

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Speaker 1: people who have bunkers are gonna outlive us all and.

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Speaker 5: Well, but the people whose bunkers says are dead are gone.

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Speaker 5: They just go and find the people's bunkers. No, No,

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Speaker 5: there's some problems with that movie from a preparedness point

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Speaker 2: And I think it's really.

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Speaker 5: Telling that it was produced by the Obamas, and it's

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Speaker 5: like this kind of but in a weirdly like they

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: That's the scene that makes the movie for me, right,

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Speaker 5: is that Kevin Bacon's character from Tremor's turns around and

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Speaker 5: learns how to share.

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Speaker 2: What about canonically same universe as Trevor's right, and what

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Speaker 2: about can food?

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Speaker 5: Okay, and this one's like more nitpicky. Can food is great.

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Speaker 5: Everyone should have enough food to like last a little while,

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Speaker 5: right in case like supply chains, which we've also seen.

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Speaker 2: In supply chain, I'm sorry, just from your what is

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Speaker 2: the standard amount? Just like to write the stone how

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Speaker 5: I would overall, I would tell people to have a

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Speaker 5: between three and six months worth of food in their house. Okay,

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Speaker 5: But the thing about canned food is it can food

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Speaker 5: isn't like set it and forget it like people treat it.

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Speaker 5: You actually can food is pantry food. You have to

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Speaker 5: like rotate through it. So if people are just like, oh,

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Speaker 5: I'm just going to stockpile food and all they do

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Speaker 5: is go out and buy canned food, it's kind of

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Speaker 5: weird and it doesn't really like work as well as

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Speaker 5: like a system where more like the stuff you eat anyway,

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Speaker 5: Like if it's canned food and the stuff you eat, right,

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Speaker 5: Like I keep a lot of canned soup and beans

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Speaker 5: and stuff around it, right because I.

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Speaker 1: Eat it anyway.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Whereas like I do believe in food storage. I

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Speaker 5: am kind of a prepper at the end of the day.

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Speaker 5: I believe in community might prepare course, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: But I like the stuff you can set and forget.

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Speaker 5: Like if you store beans and rice properly, you just

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Speaker 5: leave it in your basement for the next thirty years.

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Speaker 2: It's fine.

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Speaker 1: Right, So I got forty days of progresso from the

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Speaker 1: late nineties out in the shed in my backyard. It's

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Speaker 1: just been baking during the summer and cooling during the winter.

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Speaker 1: How we think that's going to hold up? You know,

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Speaker 1: you got a chance totally eats like a meal. You

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Operator in a golf shirt. Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, What is something you think is underrated?

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Speaker 5: I think that most people, a lot of people don't

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my neighbors, this older woman that lives alone. And

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so much to talk to your neighbors.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you want to split a cord of wood? Yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like let's say you're gonna want to eat your wife,

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Speaker 5: slightly more mainstream prepping community is starting to be like, Oh,

439
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 5: these people who just want to live in a bunker

440
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 5: and shoot everyone who comes near our idiots, you know,

441
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 5: And that's like starting to be more and more the

442
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 5: understanding they are the people who, like a lot of

443
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 5: the people who call themselves preppers for a very long time,

444
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 5: or at least the people who are very visible calling

445
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 5: themselves preppers, or a lot of these people were like, Oh,

446
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 5: you need your bug out location, you need to train

447
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 5: your seventeen children in order to shoot enough rifles or whatever,

448
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,120
Speaker 5: you know, And.

449
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: But I'm making a militia, yeah, exactly, I'm building out

450
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: by militia.

451
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

452
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 5: And more and more people start talking about it as like, look,

453
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 5: if you're planning for the zombie apocalypse, you're doing it

454
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 5: kind of as almost you're doing it as a joke.

455
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 5: But your actual plan is what do you do when

456
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 5: a hurricane comes? What do you do when you live

457
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 5: in Texas and your electrical grid is completely disconnected from

458
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 5: every other electrical grid, Or what do you do when

459
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 5: your trends and your existence has been outlawed in the

460
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 5: state you live in, Or what do you do when

461
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 5: you know where the power goes out? A lot, right,

462
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 5: because I live in the mountains where there's it's kind

463
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 5: of an underserved area, and so the trees fall on

464
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 5: the power lines and the power goes right.

465
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: You know, whatever your health condition is or ability level,

466
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 2: like you might need medication or equipment that need electricity,

467
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 2: things like that.

468
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you see pat machine, you need to have

469
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 5: a battery that runs it, or yeah, you know, or

470
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 5: you need to know that you can get out of

471
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 5: your driveway, or just like fundamental disaster preparedness. And I

472
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 5: think what's happening is that the United States is becoming

473
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 5: a less stable place to live over all the world

474
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 5: in general, like a lot of the stuff around supply

475
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 5: chains is less guaranteed than it was a few years ago, right,

476
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 5: And so people are starting to be like, what do

477
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 5: we do about this? And enough people who are coming

478
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 5: at it rationally are able to say, like, well, the

479
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 5: answer isn't fully automatic weapons. There's very few situations that

480
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 5: fully automatic weapons are the correct answer for. And that

481
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 5: doesn't mean that, like some stuff that comes from the

482
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 5: old school of preparedness doesn't make a certain amount of sense.

483
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 5: You know, it is ironic actually would think I don't

484
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 5: know how to cook meat, like I didn't. I I

485
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 5: grew up eating fast food and then it became vegan,

486
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 5: and so like, I probably need to learn how to

487
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 5: cook meat, Like I don't eat it right now, but

488
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 5: I'm like, what if? What if I need to cook

489
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 5: it for someone? What am I gonna do? I'm gonna

490
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 5: kill them by accident, you know. But yeah, I think

491
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 5: that the prepper scene is changing. I think that one

492
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 5: of the things is that people I'm one of the

493
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 5: only peopleho is going to call myself a prepper in

494
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 5: this situation. But I'm used to being kind of antagonistic.

495
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 5: I'm kind of used to being antagonistic to the traditional preppers,

496
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 5: right right, right, But community preparedness is a growing interest

497
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 5: of more and more people, and I'm very happy for that.

498
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 5: I actually started living like the world was dining right

499
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 5: before COVID, like about a month. I started in January

500
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 5: twenty twenty. I think, what's the first episode? So like,

501
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 5: episode three is entirely wrong. It's an interview with a

502
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 5: public health professional in the UK who's like, oh, we

503
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 5: think COVID's not gonna really be a big deal.

504
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 2: You know, But.

505
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 5: But yeah, like and and you're right that when when

506
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 5: people hear this, like, oh, you everyone needs to be

507
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 5: ready to live in a foxhole and die of dysentery.

508
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 5: People are like, well, I don't want to do that,

509
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 5: so I'm just going to prepare to die. Like, you know,

510
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 5: I meet a lot of people whose plan is like, oh,

511
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 5: there's an earthquake, I'll just be one of the first

512
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 5: people to die. That's not a problem because everyone except

513
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 5: has to accept their own death because you're alive, right,

514
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 5: that's like part of being alive. But what we can

515
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 5: do is we can say, you know, certain things don't

516
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 5: need to be a big deal. Like when I when

517
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 5: I talk about like people having go bags guess called

518
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 5: bug out bags or whatever. I believe in these, but

519
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 5: I don't believe in these because I'm like, oh, we

520
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 5: got to take to the hills and live in the

521
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 5: woods and shoot squirrels because the Antifa have taken over

522
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 5: the government or whatever. I believe in having bug out

523
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 5: bags or go bags because sometimes you're in your car

524
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 5: and there's an ice storm and you have to sleep

525
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 5: in your car, right, So yeah, in the same it's

526
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 5: the same reason we have a spare tire and a

527
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 5: jack like just also have a sleeping bag. Or a

528
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 5: we'll blanket and some cliff bars and you know, a

529
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 5: day of water whatever.

530
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, is there like are there things that people

531
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: you know like? Because the more I think about it,

532
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 2: I'm like I'm shedding the old sort of idea of

533
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: like skull and crossbones radioactive imagery in my mind of

534
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: like disaster preparedness. What is like, what's the easiest way

535
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: to get some momentum going where you're like I want

536
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 2: to I actually you know now that have like a

537
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 2: child and things like that. I do think like it

538
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: only takes a couple of things to go fucking wrong

539
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: and then you're like I can't go to Trader Joel's

540
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 2: and get what I need, Like there are sort of

541
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: easy ways to sort of look at how what your

542
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: own situation is and just like be like and also

543
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: I want to make sure people that I care about

544
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 2: in my community, I can also be part of something too,

545
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: like a network of people that are trying to help

546
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: each other. What are like, aside from probably just the

547
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: easiest thing would be like just get to know your

548
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 2: neighbors probably step one. What are just like other ways

549
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: to sort of like look at that holistically that isn't

550
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 2: sort of like, Okay, well do you do you have

551
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: small arms training and hand to hand combat training, but

552
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 2: what are like, how do I how do I sort

553
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: of help shift my own thinking like that.

554
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 5: Well, you got the first step completely right. The first

555
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 5: step is literally just know your neighbors. And then I

556
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 5: would say the other stuff start with a little bit

557
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 5: of like home preparedness, like three days. Be like, if

558
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 5: we were all stuck in the house for three days,

559
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 5: do we have the food, do we have the water,

560
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 5: do we have the cooking supplies, do we have any

561
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 5: medications that we need? Where any random three day interruption

562
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 5: in services or whatever will be fine, you know, because

563
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 5: most interruptions in services don't last all that long, right,

564
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 5: So and then people tend to go like three days,

565
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 5: three months, three years as kind of like the sort

566
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 5: of steps one could take. But I would do the

567
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 5: three days, and then I would look into a go bag.

568
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 5: I would look into if there's a certain type of

569
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 5: crisis if you live on the West Coast, obviously, like

570
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 5: earthquakes are a potential risk, right, and so some of

571
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 5: the stuff with earthquakes is like not that big of

572
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 5: a deal. You just like, well, you have a go

573
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 5: back for everyone in your family where you have like

574
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 5: copies of your important papers, and it's less like make

575
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 5: sure you have a tent and a hatchet and more

576
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 5: like make sure that you have something over the counter

577
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 5: beds and like, you know, and make sure that you

578
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 5: have copies of your documents and that you can just

579
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 5: if you're like, we have ten seconds and we have

580
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 5: to get out of the house, this is what we

581
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 5: go and do. And if you live somewhere where cars

582
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 5: are part of your life, do you keep your car

583
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 5: at more than half gas?

584
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: You know?

585
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: Right right?

586
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I would start with that, and I would

587
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 5: say that one of the best things about preparedness is

588
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 5: that you can actually use it to lower anxiety about problems,

589
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 5: because once you have done everything that you reasonably are

590
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 5: going to do for a problem, it's not always easy,

591
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 5: but you can start letting go of that problem in

592
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 5: your mind. Like when I lived in a cabin, my

593
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 5: own preparedness journey is a little bit more backwards. I

594
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 5: lived in a out of a backpack, and then a van,

595
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 5: and then a barn and then a cabin and now

596
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 5: I live on grid in a house. But when I

597
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 5: lived in a cabin in the woods, I was like well,

598
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 5: what happens if there's a forest fire?

599
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 6: What will I do?

600
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 5: And so I prepare to go back. I kept my

601
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 5: car half full of gas, and then I stop worrying

602
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 5: about it because I was like, right, well, I've done

603
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 5: what I'm gonna do, so now I'm not going to

604
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 5: lose sleepover a forest fire.

605
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think to the other point about community preparedness,

606
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: I think that is actually the best way to look

607
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: at it, because you know, the way we're talking, all

608
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: of the imagery around it is like it's you and

609
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: you fucking alone, and it's off putting. It's like, dude,

610
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to fucking engage with that shit. That's terrifying,

611
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: Like I don't want to be like, all right, am

612
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: I ready to die alone? Versus like I can actually

613
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: lean into more in like a way that feels optimistic

614
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: to be like, am I am I tapped into something

615
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: where I know between everybody we'll be able to figure

616
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: it out because we're all kind of moving in the

617
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: same direction. That feels much more like positive and makes

618
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 2: me feel more like sort of secure despite the insecurity

619
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: of it all.

620
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 5: You know, well, and I would say that, you know,

621
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 5: there's this classic zombie disaster movie thing where as soon

622
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 5: as every as soon as the existing system goes away,

623
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 5: some random strong man steps in and says I'm in charge.

624
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 5: And it's either if it's like a good guy skull

625
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 5: for a hat, yeah, totally. If he's the bad guy,

626
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 5: he's got a skull for a hat, And if he's

627
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 5: the good guy, he's got an American flag on baseball

628
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 5: cap and he's like he's still kind of functionally the

629
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 5: same guy, you know, Jack.

630
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, they always have like the Jesus J name,

631
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: you know, those protagonists. That's why I changed my name.

632
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 5: Sold I'm trying to prep and so what I've discovered

633
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 5: is that when there's a small power vacuum, it's not

634
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 5: that the first person has an idea is in charge.

635
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 5: It's that the first idea that someone floats that sounds

636
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 5: reasonable might pull people over. And so one of the

637
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 5: things is to have experience. Like if you have activist experience,

638
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 5: for example, you can kind of step in and be like,

639
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 5: WHOA a bad thing happened. Let's all talk about it

640
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 5: and figure out together what we should do. So if

641
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 5: you are the first, the first person to go around

642
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 5: and start knocking on doors, in your neighborhood and be like, hey,

643
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 5: the powers out, it's been two days, Like why don't

644
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 5: we all meet in the street talk about it? You know, yeah,

645
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 5: can show you okay, yeah, exactly totally. And then the

646
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 5: other reason to a lot of the individual preparedness stuff

647
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 5: like having three days worth of stuff, A lot of

648
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 5: that is so that when someone comes to your door

649
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 5: and says, are you okay, you can say I am okay,

650
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 5: Do you need anything? Does anyone else on the street

651
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 5: need something?

652
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: You know?

653
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 5: And having enough to share like out the gate, and

654
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 5: then what you do is that you slowly get other

655
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 5: people in your neighborhood to also have enough to share.

656
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Speaker 5: You know, only five people on the out of one hundred,

657
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 5: I don't know whatever, I don't know the numbers here

658
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 5: of making them up. I live in the middle of

659
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 5: the woods, but you know, if you live on your

660
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 5: like suburban street or an urban area or something like,

661
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 5: not everyone in the stockpile water, but if enough people

662
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 5: have some water stockpiled, y'all. Yeah, y'all are good.

663
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: And that seems to be the default, like we've got

664
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: I think it was the aftermath of the Texas infrastructure

665
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: breaking down, like and freezing over like everybody's electricity being out,

666
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: or maybe it was one of the hurricanes, but there

667
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: was a lot of shit online that was like Houston

668
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: Luke Crew coming through, like people starting fake accounts to

669
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: like claim that there was this like gang of marauding

670
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: people like coming through to loot. And then like when

671
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: you look at studies that people have done into how

672
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: communities react in these situations, it's the default is they

673
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: come together. They like will share their resources with people

674
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: in need, they'll take care of one another, and it's

675
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: like actually pretty inspiring.

676
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: I Yeah, I.

677
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: Am constantly like I think it's an interesting mystery to

678
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: solve this, to like why we edit that out, Like

679
00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: why we tell.

680
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: The story that it is.

681
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: The opposite of that, where like it just you know,

682
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: that might make the local news, but eventually it's going

683
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: to get whittled down to they're killing people in the

684
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: fucking super dome, which didn't Yeah, what was actually not happening.

685
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: But like that's still I think people's one of people's

686
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: main memories of Katrina.

687
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Speaker 2: But like why is it? Because like hyper capitalism relies

688
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: on us to be like kill or that on that

689
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: like kill or be killed mentality do you think or

690
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: why do you think we're so prone to edit the

691
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: people coming together to help each other out of history.

692
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Speaker 5: I think that one of the reasons that Americans in particular,

693
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 5: especially white Americans, but obviously white Americans, have influenced a

694
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Speaker 5: ton of all American culture. One of the reasons that

695
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 5: we do it is because the founding myths of this

696
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 5: country are rugged individualism and like the family homestead versus

697
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 5: everyone else, and the protection of property rights over everything else.

698
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 5: I never understood when I was younger. I was like,

699
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 5: why does America talk about being land of the free?

700
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 5: It's just hypocrisy. They owned people. What the fuck is

701
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 5: anyone talking about, right? And eventually you were like, oh,

702
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 5: when they said free, they meant this really specific defined

703
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 5: thing around property rights, you know, rather than the rights

704
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 5: of individuals and human rights and things like that. And

705
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 5: so I think it it just doesn't tie into the

706
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 5: the zeitgeist as well. If you have the like people

707
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 5: coming together versus the like you know, rugged band of

708
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 5: survivors with the strong leader who then everyone shoots each other.

709
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 5: And I mean obviously like sometimes firearms and self defense matter, right,

710
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 5: And the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, you had a multi

711
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 5: racial alliance of mutual aid people working as common ground,

712
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 5: and they had armed standoffs against racist militias that we're

713
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 5: going around and shooting people of color, right, yeah, and

714
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 5: so like I'm not arguing like there's no place for

715
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 5: force and there's no enemies ever, right, But overall, I

716
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 5: think it's just I think it's an American thing. I'm

717
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 5: not sure. Maybe media from other countries does this too.

718
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I think it's definitely like it's just that

719
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: cultural momentum from being built on the thing. It's like,

720
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 2: here's what you do. You see some shit, you fucking

721
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: put point a gun in them and tell me get

722
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: the fuck out, and then that's yours and then rinse

723
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 2: and repeat. And I think there's also there's just that

724
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: sort of subconscious like, well, the pendulum swing back the

725
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: other way and if it does, and yeah, I think

726
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: it is very different because even for me also being

727
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: half Japanese, like the way in a disaster how people

728
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: look at things is I mean, to a certain extent,

729
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: it's just so communally focused there a certain point you

730
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: have no individualism, which is a whole other issue, but

731
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 2: that definitely like like there's no fantasy of like and

732
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: then we got to shank people at the convenience store

733
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: for a fucking donut or whatever, Whereas like Americans really

734
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: do like everything about that is sort of like you

735
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: don't know, fucking like, look, man, we're fucking wild out here, yea,

736
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think it's just it's like this weird

737
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: thing we can't shake and we've just had, whether it's

738
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: like settling the frontier or the Cold War, there's always

739
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: some point to always.

740
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 3: Be like and then man, you don't know, man, the

741
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: shit might come here and you need a bunker and right,

742
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: you know, like we had movies that were kind of

743
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: like having fun with the idea of like people's like

744
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: atomic atomic bomb bunkers and shit like that.

745
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean not only are there like examples

746
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: of movies like that, these are the rules if you

747
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: read a movie like a book about screenwriting and like

748
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: how to write these are the rules. It's like you

749
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: need a protagonist who gets fucked over by everyone around them,

750
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: Like these are the rules of like how to write

751
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: a plot. Like the entire genre of the Western is

752
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: what you just described as like this American founding myth

753
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: of Like well, and I'm all out on the homestead

754
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: and have to like fight off everybody because everything is

755
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: out there trying to kill us. And then every zombie

756
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: movie we've talked through all the tropes of that. But like,

757
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: these are the rules of the stories that we tell

758
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: ourselves about how the world works. And I think movies

759
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: stick in people's minds more than anything else.

760
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, because chances are, if you haven't experienced

761
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: it yourself, you're like, I'm pretty sure I saw a

762
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: movie where that happened, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, and they

763
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 2: were shooting each other pretty quickly. So yeah, so well.

764
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Speaker 5: You can you can make it happen by telling enough

765
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 5: stories about it. Is one of those scary things.

766
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly, because then you have no imagination for

767
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 2: anything except that you're like, I'm now my thinking has

768
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 2: been confined to this box where it's fucking thunderdome.

769
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: Like neighbors turning on neighbors in a like disaster or

770
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: like just in a bad situation. Is like has happened, obviously,

771
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: but it's very like it's very rare, but we love

772
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: to fucking focus on it and love to tell fictional

773
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: stories about it, to the point that I would think

774
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: it's the default, but it's definitely like a cross history

775
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: the vast exception. But speak of movies, I do want

776
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: to let's take a quick break, and then I want

777
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: to come back and talk about a couple episodes of

778
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: cool people who did Cool Stuff that you guys mentioned

779
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: a couple times during the episode that it's mind blowing

780
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: that this story is not a movie yet, but it's

781
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: a great example of the type of story that doesn't

782
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: get told that should get told. That's like a better

783
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: story than most stories I've ever ever heard.

784
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: It's about the.

785
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: Invention of the paramedics in Pittsburgh in the late sixties.

786
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: So let's take a quick break and we'll come back

787
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: and get into that.

788
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: And we're back, and people need to.

789
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: Go check out Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff, both

790
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: of your podcasts. But there are so many great episodes

791
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 1: of cool people who did cool stuff. There's the recent

792
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: one about the Collective and ymar Germany, who like, as

793
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: Nazism is rising up and you know, the economy is

794
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: collapsing around them, they collectively like deliver one million illegal

795
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: abortions a year as birth control as being like just

796
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: so incredible and badass. And but I did want to

797
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: talk about this story about the invention of the paramedics,

798
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: because it's a group of people, a community suffering under

799
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: severe systemic racism in Pittsburgh and they come together and

800
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 1: become the first paramedics in the history of America, maybe

801
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: the world. They are the reason we have paramedics today.

802
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: Like all the life saving care we expect to show

803
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: up in an ambulance started with them, And it was

804
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: pretty It was like I would have guessed so much

805
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: longer ago, but it was yeah, like nineteen sixty eight. Yeah, yeah,

806
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: And like I don't know. It's another example I've talked

807
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: before about how like there are two types of inventions.

808
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: There's like the iPhone, which is like something that is

809
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: invented through sheer like tyranny of will, like years before

810
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: the world might be ready for it, and it's like

811
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: in in front of And then there are the inventions

812
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 1: that like the world is repeatedly calling out for and

813
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: like just people just keep fucking fucking it up. Yeah,

814
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: Like the screwdriver was invented after the screw so they

815
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: were just like yeah, they like years the screw exist

816
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: in a chisel. They were just like whatever they said

817
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: on hand, They're like I guess this coin can kind

818
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 1: of get it in there, and took them like fucking decades.

819
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: To invent the screwdriver.

820
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: But the paramedics seems like just listening to you, like

821
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: tell the story of you know it starts. You started

822
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: with like people drunk driving ambulances around the Civil Wars.

823
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Wait, so what what did it look like?

824
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 2: Because I haven't listened to this episode. So what we

825
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: were just just pulling up to the basically to the

826
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: hospital before, like just in the back of the cars.

827
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: I get them to the hospital.

828
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 5: So there would be people who would go around. There

829
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 5: be someone you could call and they would send an ambulance,

830
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 5: and the ambulance would not be an ambulance. They would

831
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 5: send a car. And it was different place. It was

832
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 5: different in different places. There was no central idea how

833
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 5: to do it. A lot of times it was cops,

834
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,959
Speaker 5: and cops don't always treat different people the same.

835
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: Wait, I've heard of this. I've heard of this.

836
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 5: It's crazy, I know, don't worry. It was a long

837
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 5: time ago. And then also, uh, funeral homes were a

838
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 5: big one. The funeral homes had a hearse and you

839
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 5: could put a person in a hearse. So you you're

840
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 5: like you're trying not to die of a heart attack

841
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 5: and our hearse shows up and they're literally like there's

842
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 5: like pedals left over from the last person. And it

843
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 5: was just it was private services, and the other one

844
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 5: was firefighters, and then the other one was just like

845
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 5: purely private services where there's someone in your neighborhood you

846
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 5: can call and like John will come over and drive

847
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 5: you to the hospital. Yeah, he's the hero of the story.

848
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 5: And so yeah, they just this completely blew my mind too.

849
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 5: Like if you had asked me when the paramedics were invented,

850
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 5: I would have been like Victorian era and it was

851
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 5: a little bit late that it took that long or

852
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 5: literally this has always happened, and people used to do

853
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 5: it with litters, you know, where you like carry the

854
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 5: person or whatever.

855
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know a picture like somebody coming out and

856
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: like plugging a fire bellows into your mouth and like.

857
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that was the other thing is that CPR

858
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 5: is a recent invention, is the other and they were

859
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 5: invented by the same.

860
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: Guy Unblieva yeh.

861
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 5: But but yeah, the thing that paramedics changed was that

862
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 5: the person who comes to drive you the hospital performs

863
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 5: care for you there on the street. And there was

864
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 5: a while where people weren't into it. People were scared,

865
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 5: especially because the first paramedic team was all black, and

866
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 5: so at first they were in an all black neighborhood

867
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 5: of in Pittsburgh, and it was like fine. But then eventually,

868
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 5: like the white people in the surrounding neighborhoods were like,

869
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 5: we'd rather paramedics came than cops. We keep dying, just

870
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 5: so yeah, yeah, And so then black people would come,

871
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 5: but then random white racists would be like, no, please,

872
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 5: I'd rather die of this heart attack. Just get me

873
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 5: to the hospital, all right, no problem, that's all right.

874
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 5: So you know, and that's the weirdest thing about like

875
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 5: reading about the medical profession is that that's not the

876
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 5: attitude that even like like black doctors and black paramedics

877
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 5: who are dealing with racist patients are like, and then

878
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 5: we just have to do it anyway. And I'm like,

879
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 5: y'all are made of better stuff than me.

880
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, I'll wait, I'll wait. You know, so an

881
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: important person has a heart attack on stage and a

882
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: nurse goes and is delivering like CPR life saving and

883
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: then the cops who are the authority at this time

884
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,479
Speaker 1: in like getting somebody to the hospital, kick her ass

885
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: out off stage, and then drag this person of the hospital.

886
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: I think say they kicked her as a white nurse.

887
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 6: It was a white So they.

888
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: Want to to go bake a pie lady exactly. And

889
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: they killed this guy by you know, because they don't

890
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: know shit about they're interrupting the intervention, basically interrupting the CPR,

891
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: and so this like, people are pissed. They killed a

892
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: major like political figure, basically the head of Baltimore's Democratic

893
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: Party at pitt Yeah, Pittsburgh Democratic Party at the time,

894
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: and so yeah, yeah, so oh.

895
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: People are pissed.

896
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 1: And they bring in this guy who had just kind

897
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: of innovated CPR and was like his theory was that

898
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: you could teach everyday people to do this thing that

899
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: would keep people alive for a long time or much

900
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: longer than they were living before. And so they trained

901
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: regular people to be the paramedics, like specifically not cops

902
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: or I guess they were open to cops, and the

903
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: cops were like, ah, fuck, this that's a training. We

904
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: don't do this. Sorry, you know, we don't do training.

905
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: But so why do you think they went in that

906
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: direction to like train people who weren't like not being

907
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: like we're a traveling band of doctors.

908
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: Was it just like doctors were in short supply?

909
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 5: It was a couple of different things. One is that

910
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 5: they had this idea for this job paramedics, and they

911
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 5: were like, who can we get to do this job?

912
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 5: Where it is going to take? I don't remember the

913
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 5: number of hours, an awful lot of hours of training,

914
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 5: like an awfully long intensive thing. We have no idea

915
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 5: how financially feasible it will be. We have no idea

916
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 5: whether or not this job will exist when you finish

917
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 5: all of this training. Who's willing to do that?

918
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 4: Right?

919
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:17,479
Speaker 2: Yeah?

920
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 5: And so it was not the doctors. And then also yeah,

921
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 5: like the I'm absolute shit remembering names as soon as

922
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 5: I've moved on to the next episode. I remember the

923
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 5: story arcs and things. Sure, I can't remember the name

924
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 5: of the CPR guy, but he's white.

925
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: Is the Stanger?

926
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 5: Oh that sounds right, but I really don't remember. I

927
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 5: remember a lot about his backstory. Grew up in the

928
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 5: Nazi controlled.

929
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 2: Hven, I don't remember.

930
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 5: And so he also his thing is believing that we

931
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 5: need to stop some of the gatekeeping around medical stuff.

932
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 5: We still need to train people, and people need to

933
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 5: be highly trained. But he was like, I believe we

934
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 5: can train regular people. So that was like partly his

935
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 5: crusade around it. It was partly the police unions were

936
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 5: blocking cops getting training, and it was partly that the

937
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 5: group that stepped up in order to say, hey, we're

938
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 5: going to do this was a not really a mutual

939
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 5: aid group, but a black empowerment group that taught entrepreneurialship

940
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 5: within this neighborhood and and did like stuff like drive

941
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 5: around the food van and sell food out of the

942
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 5: back to break the food desert. And they were like,

943
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 5: well we can tear it. We have some organizational ideas,

944
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 5: and so it was coming out of the civil rights

945
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 5: movement also, so it was kind of specific parts of

946
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 5: black civil rights stuff, meeting hey, how do we destroy

947
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 5: the gatekeeping of the medical industry and just like and

948
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 5: then even then they had trouble getting people to come

949
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 5: to these trainings, right, and so they were like kind

950
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 5: of just rounding people up on the street. So the

951
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 5: first people, the first paramedics were not just black folks

952
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 5: who were impoverished systemically. From that reason, but it was

953
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 5: also a lot of felons. It was some people who

954
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 5: didn't have any like stable places to live, a lot

955
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 5: of people who are dealing with unemployment, that's with serious

956
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 5: PTSD coming back from the Vietnam War. It was like

957
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 5: it was like the fuck ups, you know, and they

958
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 5: were like, well, we're not the fuck ups. We're actually

959
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 5: really awesome and we're doing all this amazing work, which

960
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 5: is part of why it would make such a fucking

961
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 5: killer movie. And then it was even the part like

962
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 5: even at one point, in order to get city funding,

963
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 5: they were like, sorry, you need to have a white person,

964
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 5: and so they were like, like, just one, and so

965
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 5: they found a guy who had been the token white

966
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 5: soldier in a black unit in Vietnam and we're like, hey,

967
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 5: can you be our token white person. He was like sick, Yeah, no, totally,

968
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 5: that's fine.

969
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: Oh hell.

970
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 5: And so you even have, you know, from a Hollywood

971
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 5: point of view where you need that, they even have that.

972
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 5: So it's a perfect movie.

973
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have your new trope, the magical

974
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: white guy. But he just like stays in the bag

975
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 2: and doesn't do shit. Yeah, it's like it's like what

976
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: does he do? It's just amazing his whiteness, just even

977
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: passively off to the side the doors that it open.

978
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: This is also something that we saw when we were

979
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: talking about alternatives to policing and like this programming Eugene,

980
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: Oregon that has been going since I think the early eighties.

981
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 2: I feel like it's called.

982
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: Like creeps or something like that. They give it the

983
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: worst acronym possible. But it's like if if you need

984
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: to call someone for help but you don't want the

985
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: police showing up with a gun, you have this alternative,

986
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: and like I remember reading a profile and the things

987
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: that they're solving are just like, I don't know, this

988
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: drunk guy is like having a fight.

989
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 2: With his partners and needs what it's called, what is

990
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 2: it cahoots? Cahoots? Isn't it cahoots?

991
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: Yeah? It might. I think it had a different name

992
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 1: for un but I don't it creeps. As Nixon's committee

993
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: to re elect the president, it was something like more

994
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: sinister though, but anyways, like they would just like give

995
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: somebody a ride, you know. It's just like really like

996
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: community based, like oh, I actually know that guy, uh

997
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: or I know his cousin. I'm gonna have his cousin

998
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: come give him a ride, and like you end up

999
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: seeing this is what is useful about the Freedom House

1000
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: people being the people who are serving this community is like,

1001
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: you know, I think Margaret in the episode you talked

1002
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: about if someone's odeing, they probably know who dealt them

1003
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: those drugs and can like go talk to that dealer

1004
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: and like find out what they took. You know, it's

1005
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: like they are plugged into the community. So you're just

1006
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: like paying for somebody within the community who knows people

1007
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: to go in and do the very basic, you know,

1008
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: work of also incredibly complicated and important work of like

1009
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: life saving technology or life saving medical care, but also

1010
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: just having that context and it being someone that like

1011
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: people are comfortable with and not somebody who's pointing a gun.

1012
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: It is is so important and just like feels like

1013
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: this could be spread applied to like so many other places,

1014
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: right like in the modern world where we're seeing it,

1015
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: where we still have this crisis of the place to

1016
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: call when somebody's having mental health crisis or you know,

1017
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: a lot of different problems is the fucking police.

1018
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 5: Like I don't know, no, I mean, it just makes

1019
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 5: sense to me, and especially when a lot of stuff

1020
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 5: that puts people in dangerous criminalized you know, you know

1021
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 5: when when you're dealing with someone who hasn't who's odeane.

1022
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 5: Oh and then just to throw in that, also, the

1023
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 5: same guy whose name I can't remember, was I think

1024
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 5: the first person to administer narcan or like, yeah, use

1025
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 5: narcan not just as a way to pull people out

1026
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 5: of anesthesia, but also to pull people out of overdosing.

1027
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 5: But yeah, like if you're if someone's overdosing, you call

1028
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 5: the cops. You don't know whether you say that person's

1029
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 5: life or killed them.

1030
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: Right, is it? Doctor Peter Saffhar again, I.

1031
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 5: Literally it's just names go in and out of my head.

1032
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: It's awful.

1033
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 5: I need script in front of me in order.

1034
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 2: We're like looking and I'm like there, it's like there's

1035
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: like three doctors that made invented CP like there were.

1036
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 3: In Jude.

1037
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 2: Yeah it's Peter Saffhar.

1038
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: He born in Vienna, Austria, and yeah, yeah, ended up

1039
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: becoming the Yeah, and he created CPR.

1040
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he did all this like tricksy stuff to

1041
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 5: avoid serving in the Nazi army.

1042
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1043
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 5: He like like also almost killed himself with medical issues

1044
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 5: in order to be medically exempt from serving in the

1045
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 5: Nazi army. Yeah, this is the cool guy. And he

1046
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 5: also like usually I do these episodes about like great

1047
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 5: men in history and they turn out to be like

1048
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 5: awful to the women in their lives. Yeah, total wife guy.

1049
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, great wife guys. Wife guy energy, I mean not

1050
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: just energy.

1051
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: He they were like ballroom wall champions.

1052
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like included her in his plans and like

1053
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 5: I mean I don't have like I haven't read her,

1054
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 5: an I've read some quotes from her, right sure, sure, sure,

1055
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 5: But like compared to a lot of the people that

1056
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 5: I end up researching in history, where they're like so

1057
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 5: dedicated to the cause that they treat everyone in their lives,

1058
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 5: especially the women and who are close to them in

1059
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 5: their lives like terribly, this man is not an example

1060
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 5: of that.

1061
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1062
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, So they're out there, they're part of the community.

1063
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: They're the first people to like get the paddles out

1064
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: and go clear like on the street. Like they're you know,

1065
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: they are like breaking all this new ground. A racist

1066
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: mayor comes in, pushes them out, starts trying to replace

1067
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: them with cops, like just stops like cuts their funding,

1068
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: keeps cutting their funding. It's like this again, just like

1069
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: a movie scene that is incredible that Hollywood is sleeping

1070
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: on it. During this period, Freedom House like gets their

1071
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: hands on a police scanner and so like racing the

1072
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 1: police to get there to save people because the police,

1073
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 1: the police are taking their sweet ass times, so they're

1074
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: like listening to when they're is a medical emergency and

1075
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: then like racing there to help people before the cops

1076
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: can show up. But just an amazing story of like,

1077
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 1: you know, people from the community, like the medical power

1078
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: to the people, like just all these you know, all

1079
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: these really cool ways that this community came together against

1080
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: all odds, and like the fact that that's not.

1081
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 2: The story we tell.

1082
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 1: Instead, the story we tell is like fucking an entire

1083
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: genre's worth of Westerns, right, like fucking so frustrating.

1084
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think important.

1085
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 5: Connecting those two things that was well done, oh things, right,

1086
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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 2: It's just yeah, it's probably important to like even think

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Speaker 2: of it in that context of just sort of like

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Speaker 2: you know, being fed this these kinds of stories over

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Speaker 2: and over again, and it's like, you know, to your

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Speaker 2: point market, it's like you can almost manifest it through

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Speaker 2: like the repetition of that kind of like story arc

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00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 2: whereas like we're now. I think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: are feeling like we need to like transition to something different,

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Speaker 2: something that feels more connected, something that feels more humane

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Speaker 2: and actually treats people with dignity. And yeah, and all

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Speaker 2: these stories have been like in a way buried or

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Speaker 2: whether that's intentionally or because they don't think it sells

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Speaker 2: tickets or whatever, you know, we're seeing it like that's

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Speaker 2: actually our impulse is to just is to invent and

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Speaker 2: iterate and do something that is actually for a communal

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Speaker 2: benefit rather than like, here's a story of the guy

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Speaker 2: who got so pissed off he beat up everyone in

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Speaker 2: town and then races or whatever. That's so many movies.

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Speaker 1: Catline fucking like John Wick, nobody beat up everybody in town.

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Speaker 1: This guy so pissed, Yeah, gets so pissed that you

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Speaker 1: just like beat up everybody in town, like.

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Speaker 2: All those Bowl films or like that, or it's just

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Speaker 2: like Jesus christistoff guy on a mission.

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Speaker 5: Oh man, that's because every American man is told that

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Speaker 5: that's in his heart and he could do that if

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Speaker 5: he had to. You're like, not every man can beat

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Speaker 5: up every other man.

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Speaker 4: That is clearly not true. That is not how mad

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Speaker 4: it works? You know what I'm really good at going hell, yeah,

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Speaker 4: help me. I think most men are because of patriarchy

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Speaker 4: to be like.

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Speaker 2: And then someone fixed it for me. And then I

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Speaker 2: told myself I did it all myself because.

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Speaker 1: Well, Margaret killed Joy, what a pleasure having you on

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Speaker 1: the daily He's like, Yeah, the podcasts are cool people

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Speaker 1: who did cool stuff and live like the world is dying.

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Speaker 1: Where else can people find you? Follow you, experience you

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Speaker 1: all that good stuff.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I have a weekly substack called I don't even know

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Speaker 5: it's called. It's just Margaret Killjoy that substack or whatever,

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Speaker 5: and it I put out a post every week. Half

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Speaker 5: of them are free and tend to be more public

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Speaker 5: and political and talking about you know, different ideological positions

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00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 5: and history and things like that. And then the other

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00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 5: half are for pay subscribers and are more personal. You

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Speaker 5: find me on social media by searching my name. My

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Speaker 5: latest book is a tabletop role playing game called Panumber

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00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 5: City that I did with a couple of people that

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Speaker 5: comes out a week or so ago. As people listen

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Speaker 5: to this, and so if you like tabletop role playing,

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Speaker 5: that works, And then if you don't but want to

1139
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Speaker 5: read my fiction, my most recent book I think is

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Speaker 5: my most recent I don't know. Escape from in Cell

1141
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 5: Island is one of my books that listeners might enjoy

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00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 5: where I make fun of not all masculinity, but the

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00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 5: more toxic side of it on an island full of

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Speaker 5: in cells.

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Speaker 2: Amazing.

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Speaker 1: Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying.

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Speaker 5: I've been watching Star Trek, Okay, Lower Decks whatever. The

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00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 5: other new one is that I watched a bunch of

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00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 5: It's been my favorite comfort food lately.

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Speaker 2: I like a lot of the writers on Lower Decks

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Speaker 2: and I haven't watched it.

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Speaker 1: Yet, but oh that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: That one of the main characters is I don't remember

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Speaker 5: actors names to save my life, but with like an

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00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 5: actor in the Space Force that I really liked, and

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Speaker 5: I was like, oh this is good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally all right, Miles, Where can people find you?

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Speaker 1: Is their working media you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Find me on Twitter, Instagram, threads anywhere with the AT

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00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 2: symbol at Miles of Gray. Find Jack and I on

1163
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: our basketball podcast when I was in Jack Combat Boosties,

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00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 2: and also catch me talking shit about reality TV on

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00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 2: four to twenty Day Fiance with Sophia Alexandra tweet, I've

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Speaker 2: been the thing. I've been really, I've been been real

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Speaker 2: busy with the reins and the baby's birthday and things

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Speaker 2: like that. I did, though, watch the first episode of

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Speaker 2: Mister and Missus Smith and that was pretty good. It's

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Speaker 2: pretty good. It feels like it's obviously like the whole

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Speaker 2: thing was like, it's not the like the film with

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Speaker 2: Brad and Branjelina or whatever like that. It just feels

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Speaker 2: it feels like it's a it's a really good reimagining. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And it feels like cool for lack of a better word,

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Speaker 2: like you know, like when you use like when you're

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Speaker 2: like a teenagent, she's like, oh, this is cool. Dang dark.

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Speaker 2: I mean like like now like as you get older,

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Speaker 2: you're like, I really enjoyed like the cinematography or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Like on top of being able to say that, I

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Speaker 2: also watch and go, this is like fucking cool. I

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Speaker 2: don't know how to sort of describe it, but anyway, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed tweet. I've been enjoying.

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Speaker 1: Stephanie Insley Hirsch and now tweeted showing the kids, Honey,

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Speaker 1: I shrunk the kids and having to explain which inventions

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Speaker 1: are Zany Rick Moranis originals, shrink ray and which are

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Speaker 1: normal household objects phone attached to the wall, or which

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Speaker 1: were normal household objects which I just I just had

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Speaker 1: that same experience, and Honey, I shrunk the kids still

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Speaker 1: holds up, still goes, like to the point that when

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Speaker 1: it's raining, my seven year old's like, oh man, could

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Speaker 1: you imagine this if it was Honey, I shrunk the

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Speaker 1: kids with a sprinklers and it was fucking cataclysmic. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So anyways, classic. I think there was an attempt in

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Speaker 1: the works to reboot with or like make a remake

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Speaker 1: of that called Shrunk, But I feel like they would

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Speaker 1: fuck it up because they wouldn't be using like, you know,

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Speaker 1: built sets. They would be just like trying to see.

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Speaker 5: Gi Yeah, and it would all be jokes about how

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Speaker 5: the kids are upset that they can't look at their phones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, or like yeah, or like they're all trying

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Speaker 2: to get to their phone like that's the end games,

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Speaker 2: like we just have to get to my phone. Yeah, totally,

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Speaker 2: and all will be solved.

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Speaker 1: I think it actually would be pretty funny because it's

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Speaker 1: apparently supposed to start Josh kadd so should be good

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Speaker 1: all right. You can find me on Twitter at Jack

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Speaker 1: Underscore O'Brian. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist,

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Speaker 1: where at d Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: We have a Facebook fan page and a.

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Speaker 1: Website, Daily Zeitgeist dot com, where we post our episode

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Speaker 1: and our footnotes. No, we we link off to the

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Speaker 1: information that we talked about in today's episode. Well, it

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Speaker 1: was a song that we think you might enjoy, Miles,

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Speaker 1: what song do you think people might enjoy it?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's just you know, feeling cozy. I like

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Speaker 2: some new jazz and there is a UK new jazz

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Speaker 2: group called the Tan High Collective t A n h

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Speaker 2: ai uh and they're just funky.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's just like people always say, like people don't play

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Speaker 2: jazz anymore or whatever. It's that jazz, just especially new jazz.

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Speaker 2: It's evolving. It's like feeling more like R and B

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Speaker 2: or hip hop adjacent. But trust me, and people still

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Speaker 2: have the same level of you know, chops on their

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Speaker 2: instruments and are able to do really interesting things. So

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Speaker 2: check this one out. It's called Sal's Groove by the

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Speaker 2: Tan High Collective.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Also because footnotes, we're probably just gonna be linking

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Speaker 1: off to the book that you used as your main source,

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Speaker 1: which I believe is American Sirens by Hazard, Yeah, from

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Speaker 1: that episode, So we'll leak off to that. It sounds

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Speaker 1: like an incredible book telling the story that we just

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Speaker 1: kind of went over. And then we'll link off to

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Speaker 1: the two podcasts which everybody should go check out. Lick

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Speaker 1: off to all that in the footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeist

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Speaker 1: is the production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 1: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen

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01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: to your favorite shows. That is going to do it

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Speaker 1: for us this morning. We're back this afternoon to tell

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Speaker 1: you what is trending and we will talk to you

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Speaker 1: all then.

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Speaker 6: Bye bye