WEBVTT - #21 Rachael

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, podcast friends. Jonathan Here. For the protection of those

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<v Speaker 1>involved in today's story, some of the names have been changed,

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<v Speaker 1>but not my name. I'm still me Jonathan Goldstein. Boom boom,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember when you came back from England and

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<v Speaker 1>you were referring to the bathroom as the loo?

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<v Speaker 2>What's wrong with that?

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<v Speaker 3>You?

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<v Speaker 1>We were in a cafe and you were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>one moment, I just have to find out where the

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<v Speaker 1>loo is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, Lou, I mean, you spent a

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<v Speaker 2>year in the country.

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<v Speaker 4>You pick up stuff that.

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<v Speaker 5>I think you were only there like a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>I was there for I think you were.

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<v Speaker 5>There for a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm it's been a while, all right, all right, let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's okay. You know we're getting off on the wrong

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<v Speaker 1>foot here. Let's walk it back. Do you like eating

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<v Speaker 1>buttered mashed potatoes? Would you eat a toilet? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>like noodles? Do you like the sound of the wind

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<v Speaker 1>in the trees? Do you like climbing trees? Conclusion, I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to say that this was a very nice

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<v Speaker 1>telephone call for who from Gimblet Media. I'm Jonathan Goldstein

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<v Speaker 1>and this is heavyweight today's episode, Rachel. Sometimes an impetuous

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<v Speaker 1>decision you make as a kid carries over into adulthood,

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<v Speaker 1>and day after day you write out the consequences on autopilot.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure you could always take back the wheel and change course,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's easier just not to think about it.

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<v Speaker 6>So it sort of starts out in that.

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<v Speaker 7>So I never had I never had a boyfriend or

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<v Speaker 7>anything in high school.

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<v Speaker 1>Just for Rachel's a thirty year old PhD candidate in genetics,

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<v Speaker 1>and she has a decision like that, a choice she

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<v Speaker 1>made as a college student that's determined the last ten

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<v Speaker 1>years of her life. Lately, though, she's been wondering if

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<v Speaker 1>there's something she can.

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<v Speaker 5>Do about it.

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<v Speaker 6>I was in college, And the.

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<v Speaker 1>Story begins when Rachel was eighteen and she took a

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<v Speaker 1>job at a restaurant to make some extra money.

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<v Speaker 7>And as I was working in this restaurant, I started

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<v Speaker 7>dating this guy.

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<v Speaker 5>What was his name?

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<v Speaker 7>His name was Oscar Okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Which is the name I've not said in a while.

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<v Speaker 7>So Oscar just immediately started like paying attention to me.

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<v Speaker 7>He like asked if I wanted to come early one

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<v Speaker 7>day and like help him cook because I really liked.

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<v Speaker 7>I really like cooking, and I have this like very

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<v Speaker 7>clear memory of being next to him in him like

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<v Speaker 7>toasting fennel, which was like.

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<v Speaker 6>Super hot.

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<v Speaker 7>It was really he made me feel special. And then

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<v Speaker 7>every now and then I'd look over and they'd.

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<v Speaker 6>Be like a perfectly seared scallop on my station.

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<v Speaker 1>In the beginning of their relationship, Oscar and Rachel would

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<v Speaker 1>go out after work, still wearing their chef clothes, and

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<v Speaker 1>they'd hang out into the night. It was fun, but

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<v Speaker 1>pretty soon Oscar started demanding more of her time. Rachel

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<v Speaker 1>was in college and Oscar wasn't.

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<v Speaker 7>There would be points where I was studying and he'd

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<v Speaker 7>be like, we need to hang out and I would

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<v Speaker 7>be like, no, I'm studying, and he would be like

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<v Speaker 7>this is unacceptable, Like are you studying with other guys?

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar could get needy, moody, and the two of them

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<v Speaker 1>didn't communicate well. After about a year, Rachel wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>break up with Oscar, but as a teenager in her

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<v Speaker 1>very first relationship, it was hard. She kept trying, but

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't make it stick. So in a last ditch

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<v Speaker 1>effort to put some space between them, she took as

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<v Speaker 1>I'm her job as a nanny in England.

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<v Speaker 7>We then had sex one last time, and then I

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<v Speaker 7>went to England and I never saw him again.

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<v Speaker 1>In the autumn, Rachel returned to school oscarless. One Sunday morning,

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<v Speaker 1>while over at her parents, she noticed them looking at her.

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<v Speaker 5>Funny, I guess they.

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<v Speaker 6>Hadn't seen me in a while.

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<v Speaker 7>And my mom she literally just lifts up my shirt,

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<v Speaker 7>pokes my stomach and was like, Rachel, go.

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<v Speaker 6>Take a pregnancy test.

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<v Speaker 7>I went back to my apartment and took the pregnancy

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<v Speaker 7>test and it was positive. I remember just being just

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<v Speaker 7>not feeling anything and being on the bathroom floor, and

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<v Speaker 7>then I called my parents and my dad came and

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<v Speaker 7>I remember him picking me up off of the bathroom floor.

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<v Speaker 1>At that point, without even realizing it, Rachel was already

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<v Speaker 1>six months pregnant.

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<v Speaker 7>Which I find hilarious because I was a biology major

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<v Speaker 7>and by that time being six months pregnant, I just

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<v Speaker 7>we were going with it at that point. So I

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<v Speaker 7>basically had three months to like find a doctor and

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<v Speaker 7>like build a crib and figure out daycare. Like the

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<v Speaker 7>health insurance issue was a big enough headache on its own,

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<v Speaker 7>Like student health insurance doesn't cover maternity On the.

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<v Speaker 1>Day of the delivery, a friend posted an open invite

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<v Speaker 1>to the hospital on Rachel's Facebook wall.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, Rachel's having a baby. Come over.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you're having a keger or something. Yeah, were

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<v Speaker 1>you like the first of the friends to have a baby?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, by like ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel sent me a photo of everyone hanging out in

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<v Speaker 1>the maternity ward. They look exactly like what they are,

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of kids too young to legally at tande

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<v Speaker 1>Kegger and with all of these baby faced, sweatshirted classmates

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<v Speaker 1>rooting for her outside the delivery room.

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<v Speaker 6>I like had my daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>That night, after her parents left the hospital and her

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<v Speaker 1>friends returned to their dorms, Rachel was left all alone

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time with her daughter, Lena, and.

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<v Speaker 7>I remember holding around just looking at her and saying, like,

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<v Speaker 7>I have a baby, Like I have a baby.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Friday night, Monday was a holiday. By Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel was back in class And as for Oscar.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's the crazy thing is.

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<v Speaker 7>The only thing I really knew was that, like, the

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<v Speaker 7>one thing that could make this really really hard is

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<v Speaker 7>if I have to deal with a person that I

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<v Speaker 7>really really don't want to deal with and so I didn't, So.

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<v Speaker 5>You meaning you didn't you didn't tell Oscar?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I didn't tell him because I just there were

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<v Speaker 7>so many things that got on the to do list

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<v Speaker 7>that the only thing going in my mind with regards

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<v Speaker 7>to Oscar was like, let's just not deal with that now.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Rachel's let's just not deal with that now.

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<v Speaker 1>Kept getting kicked down the road, one day handing off

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<v Speaker 1>to the next until today's her birthday, hadn't She's turning ten.

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<v Speaker 6>Wow, I have a ten year old.

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<v Speaker 7>I still can't believe it, Like she's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>For Rachel, it's been ten years of birthdays and Christmases,

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<v Speaker 1>ten years of card games, bedtime stories and big Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>morning breakfast. But ten years too, of not telling Oscar

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<v Speaker 1>about his daughter, ten years of not telling Lena about

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<v Speaker 1>her dad. Rachel says that so far it hasn't really

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<v Speaker 1>come up.

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<v Speaker 7>I think she has once in like preschool, when they

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<v Speaker 7>were doing making a family tree, and she was like,

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<v Speaker 7>why why don't I have a dad? And I was like, Mary,

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<v Speaker 7>you just don't, like you have Nana and pops. And

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<v Speaker 7>then the other cool thing is like one of her

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<v Speaker 7>good friends has two moms, so I can just be

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<v Speaker 7>like Eli has two moms, like look.

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<v Speaker 6>Over there, Like Eli doesn't have a dad either her like,

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<v Speaker 6>and she just sort of accepts that. But as my

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<v Speaker 6>daughter grows up right more and more, it.

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<v Speaker 7>Is obvious to me that one day she's actually going

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<v Speaker 7>to ask me about him. And then I don't know

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<v Speaker 7>what I'm gonna say, because the thing that scares me

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<v Speaker 7>is her being God sixteen seventeen eighteen and being like, mom,

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<v Speaker 7>like why did you do this? And me being like,

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<v Speaker 7>because it seemed kind of complicated at the time, like

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<v Speaker 7>it is one hundred percent on me.

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<v Speaker 6>Is the reason that like, this person is not in

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<v Speaker 6>her life.

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<v Speaker 7>I've never even been close to trying to, Like I've

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<v Speaker 7>never googled him. No once or twice a year. I'm

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<v Speaker 7>just like, hey, like I should tell Oscar, and then

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<v Speaker 7>it's sort of a passing.

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<v Speaker 6>The feeling passes.

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<v Speaker 1>It isn't like Rachel doesn't think about Oscar in choosing

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<v Speaker 1>Lena's name, She intentionally picked something that could be pronounced

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<v Speaker 1>in Chinese. Rachel's half Chinese, as well as in Spanish

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<v Speaker 1>because Oscar's Mexican. Rachel doesn't want to live her life

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<v Speaker 1>wondering if Oscar's out there, oblivious to the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>he has a ten year old daughter, and she doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>want another ten years to pass with Oscar still a

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<v Speaker 1>ghost that she and Lena can't discuss. So she wants

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<v Speaker 1>to find Oscar and tell me as a daughter, but

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<v Speaker 1>she says the Oscar she remembers ran hot and cold

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<v Speaker 1>before getting Lena involved. She wants to know how he

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<v Speaker 1>feels about his fatherhood, and so Rachel wants to take

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<v Speaker 1>his temperature, or rather, she wants me to take it.

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<v Speaker 6>Can't you take someone's temperature? Isn't that what you do?

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<v Speaker 5>Hew? Do you mean?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't?

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<v Speaker 6>I want you to do all the work.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not so much a temperature taker. I'm in an interlock.

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<v Speaker 1>It it's into locator. Yeah, but uh, I could take

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<v Speaker 1>the temperature.

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<v Speaker 6>You would do that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>Wait, so we're doing this.

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<v Speaker 5>I think we are. I mean, that's what it sounds like.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what this music sounds like, bargains boogying

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<v Speaker 1>out your buds, your earbuds. So make room in your

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<v Speaker 1>wallet for all the Benjamin's coming your way. You're about

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<v Speaker 1>to save big time, boss, big time. Rachel hasn't seen

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar in more than ten years, and she doesn't know

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<v Speaker 1>how to find him to tell him about Lena. Back

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<v Speaker 1>in the day, an old friend from the restaurant told

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<v Speaker 1>her that her pregnancy was the talk of the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 1>So Rachel thinks it's possible Oscar might have already heard.

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<v Speaker 5>But we all know what.

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<v Speaker 1>Happens when one assumes, or at least I assume we

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<v Speaker 1>all know. But since I don't want to be indicted

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<v Speaker 1>for the very crime against which I am building a case,

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<v Speaker 1>let me just say it outright, And if you already

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<v Speaker 1>know this, you can press fast forward. When one assumes,

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<v Speaker 1>one makes an ass out of you and me. Though

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<v Speaker 1>now that I say it out loud, I realize it

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<v Speaker 1>makes more sense written out. Let's stroll on over to

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<v Speaker 1>the chalkboard.

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<v Speaker 5>Shall we.

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<v Speaker 1>See the letter you stands for yo you, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the letters M and E spell me and ass.

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<v Speaker 5>That makes the ass part.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the proverb. Alex might want me to edit out

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<v Speaker 1>that ass, but I'll just say I was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>a donkey in the zoo. I assume he's too busy

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<v Speaker 1>capitalizing on opportunities to even notice the difference.

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<v Speaker 5>Hello, can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey?

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<v Speaker 5>I can That's important? Can you hear me, yes, I

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<v Speaker 5>can hear you. We can hear each other.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Diane, the old friend of Rachel's from the restaurant,

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<v Speaker 1>who thought Oscar might have heard about the pregnancy. So

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<v Speaker 1>reaching out to her seems like a good way to

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<v Speaker 1>start the search.

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<v Speaker 8>I haven't been in pets Oscar for quite some years.

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<v Speaker 8>After I left the restaurant, they started working at a

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<v Speaker 8>the same Crown, Okay, and I had seen him there

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<v Speaker 8>several years ago when he brought his family there.

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<v Speaker 5>He was with a family, as in, like he has kids.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>He the last that I knew he had two little girls.

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<v Speaker 8>He had gotten married to this woman and had two

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<v Speaker 8>children with her.

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<v Speaker 1>So Oscar now has a family of his own, two

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<v Speaker 1>little girls. Maybe when Rachel finally tells him about Lena,

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<v Speaker 1>as they get into the little things, Lena's love of chess,

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<v Speaker 1>how she's getting into anime, he could tell her about

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<v Speaker 1>his daughters, the things they like. They could talk about

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<v Speaker 1>being parents. And at the time that you that you

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<v Speaker 1>saw him, the subject of Rachel didn't come up.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, it kind of did. He would like ask me

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<v Speaker 8>how she was, and I'd be like, well, I haven't

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<v Speaker 8>seen here.

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<v Speaker 1>Diane wasn't sure whether Oscar was fishing around for information,

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<v Speaker 1>and if he was, she didn't know what Rachel would

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<v Speaker 1>have wanted her to say, so at the time she

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<v Speaker 1>just played dumb and after that day she never ran

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<v Speaker 1>into Oscar again.

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<v Speaker 8>I hope that they're able to connect. I mean, just

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<v Speaker 8>so everybody's in the know.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>The only problem is it's not just Diane who's lost

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<v Speaker 1>touch with Oscar. No one from the restaurant has heard

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<v Speaker 1>from him in years. It's like he's just vanished.

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<v Speaker 4>Rachel, let me kick the dogs out of the room.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really glad that you finished that sentence with out

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<v Speaker 1>of the room. I call Rachel to fill her in

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<v Speaker 1>about Oscar's two little girls, his marriage. Now, no one

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<v Speaker 1>knows where he is, and to this last point, Rachel

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<v Speaker 1>isn't surprised. Since we last spoke, she's gun searching for

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar on her own.

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<v Speaker 4>Is like impossible to find, like for someone in twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I cannot find any name because then, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>when we first talked, I was like, I've never even

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<v Speaker 4>looked about on Facebook, and now I've been like, I've

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<v Speaker 4>been cognitomode and look for him on Facebook like all

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<v Speaker 4>the time, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I can't mind any other defining Uh middle does

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<v Speaker 1>he have a middle name?

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<v Speaker 4>The answer is yes, because he has two last names.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't remember what the other one.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you know what my middle name?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, here's the other the other thing.

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<v Speaker 1>My middle name is Stuart. And so I keep searching.

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<v Speaker 1>I look for Oscar on all the major sites, Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>dot CA, Twitter, dot Google dot Ca, but no dice.

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<v Speaker 1>Growing desperate, I even join LinkedIn. But after Jorge in

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<v Speaker 1>fun adds to my list of professional endorsements, the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that I quote smell moderately presentable, I delete my account.

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<v Speaker 1>Just as I'm about to give up, Rachel phones with

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<v Speaker 1>some good news.

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<v Speaker 8>My dad He found a W two form.

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel's father found an old W two of Oscars. It

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<v Speaker 1>was in a box of Rachel's old poetry, and the

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<v Speaker 1>form contains Oscar's first, last and middle name, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not Stuart, because why would it be Stuart's my middle

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<v Speaker 1>name if you've been following along thus far. Armed with

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar's full name, Rachel did some research and found two

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<v Speaker 1>possible addresses, and so she drafted.

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<v Speaker 4>A letter and I feel like we could send it

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<v Speaker 4>to both addresses, and just like hope that it gets.

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<v Speaker 1>To them, and maybe we'll even get one of those

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<v Speaker 1>fun stamps, or.

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<v Speaker 4>Like you could get a verified.

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<v Speaker 1>Letter, right, Oh, that is an idea. That's a really

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<v Speaker 1>good idea. Then we would know that it's been received

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<v Speaker 1>and signed for. Yeah, for someone who had asked me

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<v Speaker 1>to do all the work. It seems like Rachel is

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<v Speaker 1>really taking care of business. Only her business is the

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<v Speaker 1>business of putting me out of business.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel really good about this. Thank you so.

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<v Speaker 5>Much, Rachel. Don't condescend to me.

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<v Speaker 1>In the letter, Rachel tells Oscar about her pregnancy and

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<v Speaker 1>about Lena, my daughter and I have a great life,

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<v Speaker 1>she writes, and I don't want or need anything all

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<v Speaker 1>these years later, I just want to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>have an honest conversation. Rachel makes two copies of the letter,

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<v Speaker 1>one free to dress and to make me feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not dead weight. She generously allows me to mail them.

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<v Speaker 1>At the post office. I'm served by a kind clerk

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<v Speaker 1>named Magnus. While those in line wait patiently. I ask

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<v Speaker 1>Mags to run down the list of all available stamps,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's more than delighted to do so. Birds in

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<v Speaker 1>winter solar eclipse. The Art of Magic Illinois statehood, Uncle

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<v Speaker 1>Sam's Hat and dragons. After several minutes of back and forth,

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<v Speaker 1>and with lots of support from the people waiting in

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<v Speaker 1>line behind me, egging me on, I choose a stamp

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<v Speaker 1>celebrating frozen treats. But here's the corker. After all of

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<v Speaker 1>my choosing, rechoosing, hemming and hym get this. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>actually use a stamp on a verified letter. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not even called a verified letter. It's called a

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<v Speaker 1>certified letter because it certifies.

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<v Speaker 5>That it's verified.

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<v Speaker 1>Learning about the United States Postal Service was fun, so

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<v Speaker 1>back at Gimblet headquarters, I decided to further educate myself online.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know that the original Pony Express was something

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<v Speaker 1>of a misnomer. It actually made use of full size horses,

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<v Speaker 1>and on its inaugural ride, those regular sized horses delivered

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<v Speaker 1>important bank letters, miscellaneous papers, and five telegrams. Telegrams are

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<v Speaker 1>transmitted using Morse code. Because I don't have a telegraph

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<v Speaker 1>with which to provide examples, I've instead here chosen to

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<v Speaker 1>use this airhorn. That's how you say the word ass

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<v Speaker 1>in morse code. If Alex asks me to bleep out

0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:39.679
<v Speaker 1>any portion of it, I'll just say that a bleep

0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:42.960
<v Speaker 1>in Morse code language has meaning as well as a

0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:48.800
<v Speaker 1>rich historical significance that ought to shut them up. After

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<v Speaker 1>a week of learning Morse code square words to tap

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<v Speaker 1>out on my stapler, I receive confirmation one of the

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<v Speaker 1>letters has been received, and the signature on the receipt oscars.

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<v Speaker 1>For weeks, I wait for Oscar to phone, but he

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<v Speaker 1>never does. I can't drop by his house because his

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<v Speaker 1>family might not know anything about Lena or even Rachel,

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<v Speaker 1>so we need another way to reach him, a phone number,

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<v Speaker 1>an email address. I keep searching, and finally, after applying

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<v Speaker 1>some good old fashioned Canadian elbow grease and hiring a

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<v Speaker 1>private investigator, I discovered two potential Facebook accounts for Oscar.

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<v Speaker 1>Immediately I send a message to each one, the same

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<v Speaker 1>message we'd sent by certified mail. Further research reveals the

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<v Speaker 1>phone number for Oscar's landlords, who also happened to be

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar's in laws.

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<v Speaker 5>Please record your message.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Jonathan Goldstein, and this is I leave

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<v Speaker 1>a message for Oscar's mother in law, Barb. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>make mention of Rachel, or Lena or even Oscar. All

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<v Speaker 1>I say is that I sent a letter to one

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<v Speaker 1>of her tenants, and I wanted to follow up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, this is concerning Oscar for mister Goldstein.

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<v Speaker 1>Before long, I received a message back from Barb. As

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out, all my discretion was for not. She

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<v Speaker 1>knows all about the letter and everything in it. This

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<v Speaker 1>is because Barb's the one who signed Oscar's name for it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a long story, but Austin's been deported. He is

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<v Speaker 2>the daddy of my two granddaughters and was a very

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<v Speaker 2>active father with them. I would like him to know

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<v Speaker 2>that he has another child. He was a very loving father.

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<v Speaker 2>But well, things happened. So anyway, give me call and

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<v Speaker 2>see what you want to do. Bye bye, hello, Yes, hello.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>When I returned Barbe's call, she's at a school out

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<v Speaker 1>in the desert where she does mental health work with kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Your name is Jonathan something.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Jonathan Goldstein.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Barb tells me that although she's still in touch with Oscar,

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<v Speaker 1>he and her daughter are no longer together. I asked

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<v Speaker 1>her how long ago Oscar was deported.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, exactly two years ago. He got three duys. He

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<v Speaker 2>was a great guy, and then he suddenly went off

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<v Speaker 2>the deep end, so he ain't coming back for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Barb says, Oscar's trying to quit drinking, but right now

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<v Speaker 1>he isn't able to be much of a father.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean because even his kids that you know he

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<v Speaker 2>knew about, and that he was very.

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<v Speaker 5>Close to your grandkids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he has very sporadic contact with him. Right His

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<v Speaker 2>younger daughter knows him well and loves him and was

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<v Speaker 2>in a terrible shock he got taken away. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to go to Mexico at some point and try

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<v Speaker 2>to link up with him, but at this point, not

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<v Speaker 2>yet till you know, he says he's getting sober, so

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<v Speaker 2>that's sort of the goal. You don't want him to

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<v Speaker 2>be with him if he's drinking. But he was a

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<v Speaker 2>good daddy when he was a daddy.

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<v Speaker 1>So Barbara can't say if Oscar knows about Lena, but

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:16.359
<v Speaker 1>she thinks that if he doesn't know, he'd want to.

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<v Speaker 1>She has a number for him in Mexico, but says

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<v Speaker 1>it really goes through. She offers to tell Oscar about

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<v Speaker 1>Lena the next time he calls, though she can't predict

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<v Speaker 1>how long the wait will be. As it turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>though it's not long at all, just A few days later,

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<v Speaker 1>oscar Facebook message is Rachel, he's received the message about Lena.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in Mexico having problems, He responds, the economy here

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<v Speaker 1>is bad. They don't share stories about their daughters. There

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a lot of small talk. Instead, Oscar tells Rachel

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<v Speaker 1>that with regard to their talking, he can't afford a

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<v Speaker 1>phone call, so Rachel suggests they try skyping, and Oscar

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<v Speaker 1>asks to be sent money to buy some internet time.

0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 1>The two get caught up in a volley of messages

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<v Speaker 1>about the logistics of setting up a phone call, who

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<v Speaker 1>will pay for it, when it'll happen, but ultimately it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't happen at all. Their exchange ends with Oscar messaging

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<v Speaker 1>to say, I ask for money to get phone time

0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:26.600
<v Speaker 1>and internet to talk and solve all this, but seems

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<v Speaker 1>like you don't care well have a nice day. Throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the correspondence, Lena's name never even comes up.

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<v Speaker 4>I went straight to like you don't care about me,

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<v Speaker 4>Like you don't care about this, which is insane to

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<v Speaker 4>me because like that's the kind of stuff he would

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<v Speaker 4>say to me when we were in a relationship, Like

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<v Speaker 4>if I didn't pick up the phone, it was just

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<v Speaker 4>immediately very I don't know, it brought back like a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of things very very quickly, and none of those are.

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<v Speaker 5>Good things, right right?

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<v Speaker 3>And then she never even wanted to know it was

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<v Speaker 3>never even tell me about the kid, right right?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I accomplished what I originally set out to accomplish,

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<v Speaker 4>which is I wanted to find him and I wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to tell him that he had a kid. I guess

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<v Speaker 4>the one the part that is like now sort of

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<v Speaker 4>a U can of worms, is like, what do I

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<v Speaker 4>tell Lena?

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<v Speaker 1>For years, Rachel's assumed Lena's never asked about her dad

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<v Speaker 1>because she's not curious. But lately a few things have

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<v Speaker 1>happened that have begun to make her wonder if she

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't been wilfully naive, if Lena isn't already curious but

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<v Speaker 1>too afraid to ask. For instance, Rachel's father, Lena's granddad,

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<v Speaker 1>recently overheard a friend of Lena's ask her over and

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<v Speaker 1>over who her dad was. Throughout, Lena remained silent.

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<v Speaker 2>She's just like a really good kid, and like she

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<v Speaker 2>broke her.

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<v Speaker 4>Toe the other week, and like I didn't even know

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<v Speaker 4>what happened until like she was like my toe really hurt,

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<v Speaker 4>and like that was I had this moment of intersection.

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<v Speaker 4>Then I was like, oh my gosh, like what if

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<v Speaker 4>I done to my child? Because she's like doesn't want

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<v Speaker 4>to cause trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>And then three weeks after we speak, Rachel finds one

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<v Speaker 1>of her old college diaries in Lena's room. It's a

0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 1>black moleskin she started when she was pregnant. There's all

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:50.800
<v Speaker 1>this writing in there about that time in her life.

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<v Speaker 1>Her anxiety is about having a kid, a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>poems she wrote trying to process her feelings. It's clear

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<v Speaker 1>that Lena is looking into Rachel's past, doing it in

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:04.920
<v Speaker 1>her own way, a way that's private and quiet. Did

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:10.480
<v Speaker 1>you read my notebook? Rachel asks? No, Lina says, Are

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:17.960
<v Speaker 1>you sure? Asks Rachel, Maybe, Lina says, And in that

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe Rachel realizes that though the timing might not be

0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 1>right for her and Oscar to talk, it might be

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:28.639
<v Speaker 1>the right time for her and Lena. So one Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>after their ritual big Saturday morning breakfast, as Rachel and

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<v Speaker 1>Lena lounge around in their pajamas, Rachel leads her daughter

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<v Speaker 1>into the coziest room in the house, Rachel's bedroom, and

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<v Speaker 1>with the morning lights spilling in through the windows. Lena

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<v Speaker 1>and Rachel sit down on the carpet beside the bed

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<v Speaker 1>and talk.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 6>I was wondering whether.

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<v Speaker 7>You had ever wondered about out, maybe why you don't

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<v Speaker 7>have a father. I haven't wondered in a while about that.

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<v Speaker 5>I have in the past.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know that really.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, when you wondered, mm hmmm, why didn't you ask

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<v Speaker 7>me about it?

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know how to ask.

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<v Speaker 6>You didn't know how to ask. Is it just because

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<v Speaker 6>you don't know.

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<v Speaker 9>How to ask.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know how to ask, you don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>How to ask?

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<v Speaker 9>No?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, so, now is there anything I want?

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<v Speaker 7>All the w's.

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<v Speaker 6>You want, all the wu's.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, the w questions?

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<v Speaker 3>Who?

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<v Speaker 7>What?

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<v Speaker 8>Where?

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<v Speaker 9>Why?

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<v Speaker 3>When?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>Okay? So who?

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<v Speaker 10>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>So you.

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<v Speaker 6>Have a father. His name is Oscar.

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<v Speaker 7>And he is in Mexico. We met when I was

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<v Speaker 7>in college. We worked at a restaurant together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea.

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<v Speaker 7>So one of the things that happened was I didn't

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<v Speaker 7>know I was pregnant with you, But I also didn't

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't want to be in a relationship with him anymore.

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<v Speaker 5>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 7>And then he was here. He's from Mexico, so he's

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<v Speaker 7>Mexican and then he went back to Mexico. Why I

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<v Speaker 7>was at the that's the w U because that's where

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<v Speaker 7>he was from. So he is no longer here. So

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<v Speaker 7>now you know something else, right, So you know that

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<v Speaker 7>you're half Mexican half half Mexican half half.

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<v Speaker 6>So now you know.

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<v Speaker 9>Now I know.

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<v Speaker 7>And now even if you don't know how to ask,

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<v Speaker 7>do you feel like you can come talk to me

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<v Speaker 7>about anything?

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<v Speaker 6>Because you totally can.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 6>What else do you want to know?

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know what else I want to know.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, but if you think about it, will you tell me?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, okay. So that's all we want to know.

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<v Speaker 7>That's all I want to know for now, for now.

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<v Speaker 5>Dun dun dum.

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel keeps checking in over the next couple months to

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<v Speaker 1>see if there's anything Lena wants to ask, and while

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<v Speaker 1>there never is, Rachel's getting into the habit of taking

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<v Speaker 1>the temperature. It's not until a few months later, when

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel and Lena are snuggling in bed. Then Lena looks

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<v Speaker 1>up at her mother and asks mom how tall was Oscar.

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<v Speaker 1>When Rachel hears the name spoken so casually by Lena,

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<v Speaker 1>it still gives her a slight twinge in her chest.

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<v Speaker 1>But Oscar's no longer a ghost. He's her daughter's dad,

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<v Speaker 1>and when Lena has a question about him, Lena's no

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<v Speaker 1>longer afraid to ask. Oscar was a little shorter than

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<v Speaker 1>your granddad, Rachel tells her. Okay, Lina says.

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<v Speaker 9>Now that the fern entures returning.

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<v Speaker 10>To its goodwill home, now that the last month's rent

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<v Speaker 10>is skiming with the damage deposit, take this moment to dissolve,

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<v Speaker 10>if we mentage, if we tried to remember felt rent

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<v Speaker 10>for far too from things An Accidentally Heavyweight.

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<v Speaker 5>Take it away.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Alex might want me to edit out that ass.

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<v Speaker 1>Should I try, but.

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<v Speaker 5>No doubt bad ass flex edit out that ass bogging

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<v Speaker 5>out your.

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<v Speaker 1>Butt, edit out, edit out bad ass, edit out that

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<v Speaker 1>ass boging with that ass both bogeing, Edit out that ass.

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<v Speaker 5>Full sized horses