1
00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,920
Speaker 1: Welcome back to all the smoke. My brother Stack missed

2
00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,880
Speaker 1: flights this morning, so I'm running this solo today. But nevertheless,

3
00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,760
Speaker 1: someone I got a chance to play with and played

4
00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,000
Speaker 1: against for a long time. Some of the to me

5
00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,480
Speaker 1: never got to just do from the media, but from

6
00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,479
Speaker 1: a players standpoint, I mean, this is one of the

7
00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:23,000
Speaker 1: best point guards of my time. Welcome to the show,

8
00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:24,239
Speaker 1: Andre Miller.

9
00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:25,760
Speaker 2: My dog.

10
00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,600
Speaker 1: Grabbing, drabbing, chasing you for some years to get you

11
00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:30,240
Speaker 1: in that seat. Bro.

12
00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've been man busy, I've been ducking and dodging,

13
00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:34,400
Speaker 3: but I'm busy.

14
00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,000
Speaker 2: I'm happy to be here. Yeah, thanks for having me.

15
00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,400
Speaker 1: No problem. So what's what's going on of late? Last

16
00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,080
Speaker 1: I heard you were coaching in the G League for

17
00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,160
Speaker 1: the Denver Nuggets. But as we were chilling before the show,

18
00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,520
Speaker 1: a lot of shit has gone down since then, so

19
00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,080
Speaker 1: so so break what happened, what went down, and currently

20
00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:53,600
Speaker 1: what you're doing.

21
00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,560
Speaker 3: I started going to summer league games after I retired,

22
00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,480
Speaker 3: and you've been out what nine years now, I've.

23
00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:59,080
Speaker 2: Been out nine years.

24
00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,760
Speaker 3: I retired in two and sixteen, and then you know,

25
00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,760
Speaker 3: I just started going to you know, being a fan

26
00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,440
Speaker 3: of basketball and found my way into, you know, going

27
00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,160
Speaker 3: to the Las Vegas summer leagues, and I bumped into

28
00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:15,120
Speaker 3: Calvin Booth and he asked me, was I interested in coaching?

29
00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:16,000
Speaker 2: And I said sure.

30
00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,440
Speaker 3: So, you know, I became the head coach of the

31
00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,400
Speaker 3: Denver Nuggets G League team, the Grand Rapids Go, which

32
00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,080
Speaker 3: I thought the team actually played in Denver, No, but

33
00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,440
Speaker 3: I was in Grand Rapids Michigan, Oh, exactly the last

34
00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,160
Speaker 3: three winners, which was really cold, but great experience.

35
00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,479
Speaker 2: Three years in the G League.

36
00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,160
Speaker 3: Learned if I really wanted to do that, try to

37
00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,319
Speaker 3: coach and stuff. Now I'm out of the coaching trying

38
00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,319
Speaker 3: to figure out my next move. But it was a

39
00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,679
Speaker 3: great experience and I was happy to be a part

40
00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:44,760
Speaker 3: of the coaching style.

41
00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,240
Speaker 1: Take us back to what that grind is like in

42
00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,279
Speaker 1: the G League. You played seventeen years in the NBA.

43
00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,280
Speaker 1: It's a lot different. I was telling you off. My

44
00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,240
Speaker 1: first year was in the G League and we had

45
00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,400
Speaker 1: eight hour bus rides. Six hour bus rides. We used

46
00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,600
Speaker 1: to fly in little plays like the Labama plans. Hopefully

47
00:01:58,640 --> 00:01:59,480
Speaker 1: y'all had bigger plans.

48
00:01:59,560 --> 00:01:59,920
Speaker 4: Y'all flew.

49
00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,040
Speaker 1: But what is that grind like? Because it's not a

50
00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,080
Speaker 1: lot of money you really gotta love that shit to

51
00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:05,120
Speaker 1: go play in the G League.

52
00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you definitely gotta love it, man. I mean

53
00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,680
Speaker 3: we was on eight nine hour bus rides, blizzards, blizzards,

54
00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:16,200
Speaker 3: you know, the Iwood of Indiana, Detroit, Cleveland, and you

55
00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,520
Speaker 3: really gotta love the game, man. And you know, I

56
00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,800
Speaker 3: just wanted to be be around the players, pay it forward,

57
00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,880
Speaker 3: you know, pass on the information. But you know, it

58
00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,440
Speaker 3: was definitely a grind. You know, I learned a lot

59
00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,640
Speaker 3: about myself, a lot about you know, the players, you know,

60
00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,600
Speaker 3: to see these guys and how they approach basketball. I mean,

61
00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,760
Speaker 3: we was traveling, commercialing on the bus and you got

62
00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,000
Speaker 3: guys dressing in Gucci, Louis Vatan, all types of something like,

63
00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,919
Speaker 3: hey man, look this ain't it man, like staying at

64
00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,639
Speaker 3: the comfort in We ain't staying at Norit, no.

65
00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:46,959
Speaker 2: Rits, none of that stuff.

66
00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:47,120
Speaker 4: Man.

67
00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,600
Speaker 2: It was. It was tough, but it was it was

68
00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:49,480
Speaker 2: a great experience.

69
00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,960
Speaker 1: Do you see yourself continuing in the coaching rinks, whether

70
00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,160
Speaker 1: that be NBA college, or would you like to transition

71
00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:56,280
Speaker 1: into management at some point?

72
00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,040
Speaker 3: Whatever's out there, you know, whatever's out there, I think,

73
00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,160
Speaker 3: you know, I think I have the brain and the

74
00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,920
Speaker 3: tolerance to you know, coach on any level. And I

75
00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,560
Speaker 3: think you know, the NBA and college especially need guys,

76
00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,600
Speaker 3: you know, retired players to come back and actually teach

77
00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,960
Speaker 3: the game the right way, you know. And all I

78
00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,200
Speaker 3: did was just stick to my fundamentals of what I

79
00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,600
Speaker 3: was taught and try to spread that message.

80
00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,080
Speaker 2: And I enjoyed it.

81
00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,000
Speaker 3: But you know, whether it's management anything, to be around

82
00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,320
Speaker 3: basketball is cool. But if not, you know, I'm a fan.

83
00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,720
Speaker 3: I'm gonna still be around the game because it's something

84
00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,600
Speaker 3: that helped me out throughout my career.

85
00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,160
Speaker 1: A true point guard in every sense of the word,

86
00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,800
Speaker 1: you were someone that made every team you went to better.

87
00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,040
Speaker 1: Some of the greater players you ever played with spoke

88
00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,840
Speaker 1: very highly on just what you were about and how

89
00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,000
Speaker 1: you got everyone involved. Rick Patino recently said the death

90
00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,640
Speaker 1: of the point guard has arrived. There's not too many

91
00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,840
Speaker 1: true point guards you have to clip.

92
00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,160
Speaker 5: There are no point couds anymore. I mean, if you

93
00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,160
Speaker 5: find it, you'll probably describe them as a guy who

94
00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:56,720
Speaker 5: can't shoot me.

95
00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,040
Speaker 2: What's the game uncomfortable?

96
00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,640
Speaker 5: He's a combo scoring guard. I don't think he's looking

97
00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,520
Speaker 5: for the assists. I think he's looking at a squad,

98
00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:11,680
Speaker 5: and thank god he is so. And whether it's whether.

99
00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,600
Speaker 6: It's the champion, who's the point cut in the tunder

100
00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,480
Speaker 6: said to the team, who's the pointcut at the Knicks,

101
00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,839
Speaker 6: just the Lakes, the champ, world champions.

102
00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,400
Speaker 5: The pointcutt is is totally done in basketball. The days

103
00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,240
Speaker 5: of John Stock that are long gone. There are no

104
00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:34,640
Speaker 5: more pointcuts. Chris Paul is probably the last one. So

105
00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,599
Speaker 5: you got to play with everybody handling the basketball five

106
00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,640
Speaker 5: out and just create good movement.

107
00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,240
Speaker 1: The game has obviously changed since you and I played,

108
00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,080
Speaker 1: and it is to Patino's credit, everybody does a little

109
00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,279
Speaker 1: bit of everything out there. As someone who was again

110
00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,840
Speaker 1: the leader of the team on the floor, what do

111
00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,479
Speaker 1: your thoughts when they say, you know, the point guard

112
00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:53,719
Speaker 1: position is slowly dying.

113
00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:55,680
Speaker 2: I agree. I agree.

114
00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,200
Speaker 3: And just to be in the G League and even

115
00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,040
Speaker 3: be around some college players, just the conversation alone with

116
00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,599
Speaker 3: some of these you know, so called point guards. You

117
00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,800
Speaker 3: know it's it's unfortunate, but you know, it's a scoring

118
00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,080
Speaker 3: game and these guys believe that. You know, in order

119
00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:13,919
Speaker 3: to make it, you know, you got to put that

120
00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,680
Speaker 3: ball through the hoop, but you know it goes Rick

121
00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,440
Speaker 3: Patino He's been around a long time, so he definitely

122
00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,040
Speaker 3: knows what he's talking about. So for him to say

123
00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,880
Speaker 3: it and for me to see it and hear how

124
00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,719
Speaker 3: some of these young guys, these young guards approach the

125
00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,120
Speaker 3: game like you know what I'm saying, Like, are you unselfish?

126
00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:31,680
Speaker 4: Are you?

127
00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,400
Speaker 3: Are you monitoring your teammates' behavior and how they approach

128
00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,919
Speaker 3: the game, like you know, somebody might have had a

129
00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,080
Speaker 3: bad day today, Like you know, you know what, man,

130
00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:41,600
Speaker 3: I got to get you the ball today. You know,

131
00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,320
Speaker 3: like you haven't had a good game in a while.

132
00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:44,720
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Let me get you going

133
00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,080
Speaker 3: Like that takes a lot. It's not just going out

134
00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:48,680
Speaker 3: there and passing the ball, but you got to be

135
00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,080
Speaker 3: really unselfish and and really get your teammates in vault

136
00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,520
Speaker 3: and get to know them as a person. Like I

137
00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,919
Speaker 3: didn't get to know the Carmelo Anthony's and again congratstulate

138
00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,359
Speaker 3: him on the Hall of Fame, but you know it

139
00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,640
Speaker 3: was just a body language.

140
00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:02,360
Speaker 2: Feel like I.

141
00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:07,599
Speaker 3: Can read him, Kenyan Martin Jr. I can read their

142
00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,400
Speaker 3: body language. I didn't communicate with them much, but I

143
00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,480
Speaker 3: can tell like, you know what, I gotta get it going.

144
00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,880
Speaker 1: It's funny you said that because Carmela spoke so highly

145
00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,640
Speaker 1: of you and how important you were during his time.

146
00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,520
Speaker 1: Take me in the mindset because again you just named

147
00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,520
Speaker 1: some some people that could put the ball in the basket.

148
00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,520
Speaker 1: What is your approach coming into a game as a

149
00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,640
Speaker 1: point guard when you have all those type of weapons

150
00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,600
Speaker 1: You got Carmelo, you got a Jr. You got to

151
00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,520
Speaker 1: Kenyon Martin. You've probably got some guys off the bench

152
00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,720
Speaker 1: to eat the ball. You got a bird man.

153
00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,279
Speaker 3: We had a crazy team, and you know I was good.

154
00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,200
Speaker 3: I'm a point guard. You know, I gotta set the

155
00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,159
Speaker 3: tone in practice. I gotta be available every day. And

156
00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,120
Speaker 3: it's like you know, of course, you know you hear

157
00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,480
Speaker 3: how they talk about George carl You know what I'm saying,

158
00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,600
Speaker 3: And so it was like, man like George is like Dre,

159
00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,760
Speaker 3: we gotta get them to practice there, and what you

160
00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:54,560
Speaker 3: want me to say to them?

161
00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:54,919
Speaker 2: Dudes?

162
00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,080
Speaker 3: You know, I'm just like practice practice, you know, like

163
00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,280
Speaker 3: we practice hard, very very competitive. So some days some

164
00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,600
Speaker 3: guys just didn't have it, Like you what you want

165
00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,680
Speaker 3: me to say? Like, No, I'm gonna just go out

166
00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,200
Speaker 3: there and try to lead by example. You know, I

167
00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,560
Speaker 3: might joke around and do something different in practice, because

168
00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,680
Speaker 3: we all get tired of the repetition. So let me

169
00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,720
Speaker 3: make a couple jokes, you know, let me do something

170
00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,840
Speaker 3: to get the three man we've we're doing three man,

171
00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,000
Speaker 3: we've for thirty forty five minutes, Like, okay, let's climb

172
00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:23,840
Speaker 3: around a little bit.

173
00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,720
Speaker 2: But you know, I just tried to read their body

174
00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:27,560
Speaker 2: language and I.

175
00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,800
Speaker 3: Approached it everything in the NBA with a certain level

176
00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,000
Speaker 3: of respect for my teammates. It all started with respect,

177
00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,880
Speaker 3: and that's how I earned it through the work ethic

178
00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:37,080
Speaker 3: and the respect.

179
00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,360
Speaker 1: Tell me what you saw from Carmelo Anthony to me,

180
00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,320
Speaker 1: one of the toughest guards I ever had to play against,

181
00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,600
Speaker 1: A three level score, can get a bucket any possession

182
00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,480
Speaker 1: as soon as he steps over half court. What was

183
00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:48,480
Speaker 1: it like working with him?

184
00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:48,760
Speaker 4: Man?

185
00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,160
Speaker 3: It was great, man, just to see his work ethic,

186
00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:52,440
Speaker 3: all those guys.

187
00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,400
Speaker 1: Me, I mean, rookie baby, he should have won Rookie

188
00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,000
Speaker 1: of the Yeah, Inspector Broun Miller had a hell of

189
00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,680
Speaker 1: a season. And y'all made the playoffs, right.

190
00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we made the playoffs.

191
00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,320
Speaker 3: Me and my buddies were just talking about it on

192
00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,120
Speaker 3: the way over here, and you know, I was like, man,

193
00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,200
Speaker 3: look he came over there and we worked, and he led.

194
00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,280
Speaker 3: He didn't leave with his mouth. He led with his

195
00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,240
Speaker 3: work ethic. And whether you liked him or not, you know, hey,

196
00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,560
Speaker 3: he deserved to have that type of ego, in that

197
00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,800
Speaker 3: attitude because he came to work. And that's what I

198
00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,760
Speaker 3: enjoyed about that Denver Nuggets team. You know, it was

199
00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,520
Speaker 3: some strong personalities, but we all worked and that that's

200
00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:29,680
Speaker 3: why I respect him a lot.

201
00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,080
Speaker 1: And again, congratulations Carmelo going into the Hall of Fame.

202
00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:42,160
Speaker 1: Very well. Deserved the best availability. Well, how's that shit go? Durability? Availability?

203
00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,600
Speaker 1: Best ability is availability, And we live in a day

204
00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,840
Speaker 1: and the age of load management, and you're talking about

205
00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,000
Speaker 1: guys taking practice off. Motherfucker's taking games off these days

206
00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,559
Speaker 1: just to rest a little bit. You were someone who

207
00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,959
Speaker 1: was an iron man? Is it because I've heard different?

208
00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,840
Speaker 1: I heard three games, I heard six games that you

209
00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,560
Speaker 1: But you were there night in, night out. For someone

210
00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,560
Speaker 1: who played seventeen years, you would think you were on

211
00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,120
Speaker 1: some kind of high tech regimen and lyft and eat

212
00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:10,720
Speaker 1: in them. But you just love the hoop.

213
00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,720
Speaker 2: Ye, Hey, burgers and frogs a pizza.

214
00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,960
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying popcorn, you know, and I

215
00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,960
Speaker 3: let my body gain weight in the summer.

216
00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,240
Speaker 2: I didn't do nothing special.

217
00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,280
Speaker 3: It was just the urge and the hunger to be

218
00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,240
Speaker 3: available in practice in the games.

219
00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:28,520
Speaker 6: You know.

220
00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,360
Speaker 3: The three games that I say I missed, two of

221
00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,200
Speaker 3: them were to funerals and one of them was to

222
00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,680
Speaker 3: a hurt ankle, I believe. But I just wanted to

223
00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,600
Speaker 3: be out there. I just wanted to be out there.

224
00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,880
Speaker 3: It was no way that I was gonna miss a practice.

225
00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,760
Speaker 3: There was no way that I was gonna miss a game.

226
00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,400
Speaker 3: It was just that I wanted to be available for

227
00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,160
Speaker 3: my teams, like they know, Drake gonna get me the ball,

228
00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,880
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So that's what I took pride.

229
00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,360
Speaker 1: In tell me about, because again, some guys killed themselves

230
00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,520
Speaker 1: in the summertime and you kind of felt like that

231
00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,560
Speaker 1: burns your laid, Like what was your mindset in double park?

232
00:09:59,640 --> 00:09:59,880
Speaker 4: Question?

233
00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,240
Speaker 1: What was your mindset about summer workouts because you didn't

234
00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:03,680
Speaker 1: do a ton of it, And then how long would

235
00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,040
Speaker 1: it take you to kind of get your touch in

236
00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:06,440
Speaker 1: your feel back once you came back.

237
00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,760
Speaker 3: Well, I think at the end of the season, like

238
00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,360
Speaker 3: I never I only made it past Mother's Day maybe

239
00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:12,640
Speaker 3: like once or twice.

240
00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,720
Speaker 2: That's when you get to like the second third round. Man,

241
00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:16,320
Speaker 2: it's over.

242
00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:16,600
Speaker 4: Man.

243
00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,280
Speaker 3: So you know, I come right back home to Los

244
00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,199
Speaker 3: Angeles and you know it's barbecues. You know, I'm eating.

245
00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,000
Speaker 3: I'm a gain twenty pounds in like.

246
00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:31,439
Speaker 2: Four or five days, you know, so you know, straight.

247
00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:31,560
Speaker 4: Up, man.

248
00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,640
Speaker 3: But I take like May June off, and since I'm

249
00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,120
Speaker 3: not tall, like y'all, man, I can always pull up.

250
00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,200
Speaker 3: You know, I see some people on the street playing

251
00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,720
Speaker 3: and just jump in and play some pickup ball. But

252
00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,440
Speaker 3: you know, it really picked up once kids started to

253
00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,680
Speaker 3: go back in school in August, and then everybody would

254
00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,280
Speaker 3: go to UCLA. Let me get up in here and

255
00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,559
Speaker 3: try to shad some of this weight which I couldn't,

256
00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,640
Speaker 3: and then you know, play till you know, Labor Day weekend.

257
00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,240
Speaker 3: And then like that's when I started, like you know,

258
00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,160
Speaker 3: whether I was in Sacramento or somewhere, I start doing

259
00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,160
Speaker 3: like crazy workouts. I'll go run the side of a freeway,

260
00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,640
Speaker 3: you know, after a club or something like that.

261
00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:15,240
Speaker 1: Or yeah, you can't just say like that, Yeah, talk

262
00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,720
Speaker 1: to about some of your like you look.

263
00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,960
Speaker 3: Like you know, we'll go to a club or something

264
00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,400
Speaker 3: and you know, I wasn't no drinker like that, but

265
00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,600
Speaker 3: you know, in order to get in shape, because I

266
00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,440
Speaker 3: wasn't the type of person that to go get with

267
00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,800
Speaker 3: other guys and work out and just have my own routines,

268
00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:29,480
Speaker 3: we go to a.

269
00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,000
Speaker 2: Club like let me out, man, let me help me out,

270
00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,480
Speaker 2: let me out, and then.

271
00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:38,200
Speaker 3: I'll run from you know, downtown Sacramento to you know

272
00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,440
Speaker 3: and the Tomas, you know somewhere, you know.

273
00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:42,880
Speaker 2: So that's what I did.

274
00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,440
Speaker 3: I did that for a while, and then I just

275
00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,719
Speaker 3: found various routines that fit me. And you know, I

276
00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,000
Speaker 3: still going to camp like ten pounds over, and I

277
00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:53,839
Speaker 3: just looked at it as you know, I didn't want

278
00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,400
Speaker 3: to over exert myself in the summer because I knew

279
00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,880
Speaker 3: the NBA was a grind. So the guys that was

280
00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,679
Speaker 3: working out in the summertime, they breaking down around Christmas

281
00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,800
Speaker 3: where we knew that ship the season.

282
00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,240
Speaker 1: Started like you know, after all Star, Yeah.

283
00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:09,160
Speaker 2: Hey it's gonna pick up.

284
00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,520
Speaker 3: So I was still I was, I was getting into

285
00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,520
Speaker 3: my groove like around Christmas time, and then you know,

286
00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,520
Speaker 3: I fade a little bit and you know, pick it

287
00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,199
Speaker 3: back up when it's time for playoffs.

288
00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,960
Speaker 1: You spoke about those U c l A runs. What

289
00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,079
Speaker 1: do you remember about those?

290
00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:23,560
Speaker 3: Man?

291
00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,400
Speaker 2: I just remember it was this little short guy. You know,

292
00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,440
Speaker 2: you just walk in. He put you on teams.

293
00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,880
Speaker 1: I forgot it at him.

294
00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,640
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, he.

295
00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,520
Speaker 3: Just picked teams and stuff, and I just want to play.

296
00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,960
Speaker 3: So I'm getting there early. You know, it's like fifty

297
00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,400
Speaker 3: dudes in the gym, and you know, I took a

298
00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,440
Speaker 3: lot of pride and going over there because I felt like,

299
00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,719
Speaker 3: you know, this is where I'm gonna get my.

300
00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,840
Speaker 1: And this was my game. Don't understand like who was there,

301
00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,360
Speaker 1: Like everybody was in that.

302
00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

303
00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,520
Speaker 3: I saw KG say something to I think Wimby is

304
00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,719
Speaker 3: something like, hey, man, go over to u c l

305
00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,400
Speaker 3: A and get after it.

306
00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,199
Speaker 2: Hey. And that's what man.

307
00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,880
Speaker 3: I had fun sometimes playing over there more than I

308
00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,280
Speaker 3: did an NBA games. So I enjoyed to see you

309
00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,439
Speaker 3: guys come out, and you know I was there right

310
00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,080
Speaker 3: at three o'clock ready to rock.

311
00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,360
Speaker 1: You also got a unique experience because I say I

312
00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,880
Speaker 1: made the NBA because of those UCLA summer runs. It

313
00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,280
Speaker 1: was such an elevated level of basketball when I was

314
00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,760
Speaker 1: in college. But you had something similar out in Utah

315
00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,400
Speaker 1: when you went to Utah. You got a chance to

316
00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,360
Speaker 1: play in the summer with John Stockton, Karl Malone and

317
00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,680
Speaker 1: some of the greatest Utah jazz players ever. Tell me

318
00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,560
Speaker 1: what that was like and what guys were out there

319
00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:33,960
Speaker 1: playing with you.

320
00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,200
Speaker 3: Man, let me tell you something, man, Like, I learned

321
00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,800
Speaker 3: so much in Utah. And the good thing about Utah

322
00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,720
Speaker 3: for me was that, you know, it was no football

323
00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:43,360
Speaker 3: to compete with.

324
00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,080
Speaker 2: It was just the jazz and the Utah youth.

325
00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,640
Speaker 3: Basketball and football and everything that goes around the university.

326
00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,760
Speaker 3: So you know, once I left Los Angeles in high school,

327
00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,120
Speaker 3: I only came home one time, one time out of

328
00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,280
Speaker 3: five years of being in Utah because every summer I

329
00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,600
Speaker 3: was looking for those guys and they worked out through

330
00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,320
Speaker 3: the summer and then one September pickup you know, they'll

331
00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,439
Speaker 3: be at Westminster College. Damn, I get to play against

332
00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,640
Speaker 3: John Stockton, Howard Eisley, Karl Malone with these big muscles.

333
00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,800
Speaker 3: They coming in like I want to play pickup ball,

334
00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,000
Speaker 3: but they pick up ball was running UCLA Cutson.

335
00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,760
Speaker 2: I mean, like they doing this for pickup ball. So

336
00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,400
Speaker 2: I learned a lot from Jeff.

337
00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,480
Speaker 3: Horniseack, you know, and Brian Russell, all those guys Man,

338
00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,760
Speaker 3: I was just around them twenty four seven. Whenever I

339
00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,080
Speaker 3: can find where they was at hooping, I was there

340
00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:33,960
Speaker 3: all through Salt Lake.

341
00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,720
Speaker 1: What were you able to pick up about from two guys?

342
00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,360
Speaker 1: Because I think Jeff Horni Seck is very overlooked and

343
00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,640
Speaker 1: underrated who was a killer, and then Stockton? What did

344
00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,840
Speaker 1: you learn at a young age from those two guys,

345
00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,640
Speaker 1: going day and day out in the summertime with them.

346
00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,000
Speaker 2: Man, I learned work ethic.

347
00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,120
Speaker 3: I mean I already understood the game and how to

348
00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,800
Speaker 3: read it, but you know, I learned leadership.

349
00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:54,240
Speaker 1: You know.

350
00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:55,240
Speaker 2: I remember one.

351
00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,920
Speaker 3: Time Jeff HORNI sack like after like two or three

352
00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,280
Speaker 3: hours of playing basketball, he rid me in and took

353
00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,160
Speaker 3: me to the other end of the court because he

354
00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,480
Speaker 3: knew I wasn't a great shooter. He knew what Man,

355
00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,320
Speaker 3: he had me at the other end, just giving me

356
00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,080
Speaker 3: the game. You know what I'm saying, Like, you know, man,

357
00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,320
Speaker 3: that meant so much to me. Man, Like, you know,

358
00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,080
Speaker 3: for him to see that I'm a University Utah player,

359
00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:17,880
Speaker 3: he took time out of this schedule.

360
00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,440
Speaker 2: It's a grown man with family.

361
00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,560
Speaker 3: Hey, millerd come over here, get some shots up. Let

362
00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,640
Speaker 3: me let me show what show you how to shoot

363
00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,200
Speaker 3: this ball. You know what I'm saying, and stop the man.

364
00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,000
Speaker 3: Come on, man, I mean, I mean, he a legend

365
00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:28,400
Speaker 3: in mind.

366
00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,560
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I mean, like, hey, he's

367
00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:31,920
Speaker 2: not he's not so nice.

368
00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying, he's not so nice.

369
00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:36,840
Speaker 3: Like if you come in with a little bit of

370
00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,880
Speaker 3: flab on your stomach. Hen, let you know, like, man,

371
00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,360
Speaker 3: get off the court, you're not in shape. Yeah, he

372
00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,880
Speaker 3: was like that. So you know, I had a lot

373
00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,520
Speaker 3: of respect. I was coming in there, chubby, you know

374
00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,200
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, and I.

375
00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,760
Speaker 2: Burgers and fries and you in that altitude like you.

376
00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,720
Speaker 3: Know, and and me and Karl Malone, man, come on,

377
00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,400
Speaker 3: man like man, mal Man, I'm like, like, man, he

378
00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,720
Speaker 3: looked like a wrestler out there, you know. So you know,

379
00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,640
Speaker 3: I had fun. Man, it was a great experience for me.

380
00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,760
Speaker 1: That's dope. You're not a big social media guy, but

381
00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,160
Speaker 1: every once in a while you'll scroll TikTok and see

382
00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,960
Speaker 1: these these trainers out here training these kids. What's your

383
00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:13,440
Speaker 1: take on that?

384
00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,960
Speaker 3: Man, Don't get me started, man, I want to get

385
00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,800
Speaker 3: you started. Don't get me started on the train. A

386
00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,440
Speaker 3: lot of respect to the trainers. You know, and we

387
00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,800
Speaker 3: all students of the game, and we all know the game,

388
00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,320
Speaker 3: but you know, to me, it just don't translate, you know.

389
00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,120
Speaker 3: I mean it's great, you know, you see them working

390
00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,960
Speaker 3: on moves and bumping into bodies, you know. And the

391
00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,200
Speaker 3: one part that I do like about training is the

392
00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,800
Speaker 3: players when they get like four or five guys and

393
00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,240
Speaker 3: to play defense and they making moves and all. I

394
00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,800
Speaker 3: like that kind of stuff, but just like the individual stuff.

395
00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:45,480
Speaker 2: It's cool.

396
00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,560
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm kind of old school, man, like,

397
00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,720
Speaker 3: go find the five on five man. If you six

398
00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,680
Speaker 3: four sixty five and under, man, it's somewhere, go twenty

399
00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,120
Speaker 3: four our fitness to the short gym, you know, and

400
00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,920
Speaker 3: get up and down and get used to working on

401
00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,040
Speaker 3: your craft in the five on five settings. So you know,

402
00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,240
Speaker 3: it's big ups. And I'm not paying for no training.

403
00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,119
Speaker 3: I'm not paying no guy to train on some moves,

404
00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:10,479
Speaker 3: hey bro.

405
00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,520
Speaker 1: And they're paying these trainers crazy, you know too. And

406
00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,440
Speaker 1: I agree. I feel like that's what the game lacks

407
00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,280
Speaker 1: because our summer times were pick up basketball. Yeah, their

408
00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,879
Speaker 1: summertimes are head down. How many times can you go

409
00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,800
Speaker 1: between your legs and make these moves that you're probably

410
00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,960
Speaker 1: never going to be allowed to even use the game.

411
00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,080
Speaker 1: And then that's why I feel that the overwater influx

412
00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:30,760
Speaker 1: of European players that know how to play in a

413
00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,040
Speaker 1: five man set, that know how to play without the ball,

414
00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,239
Speaker 1: are starting to thrive, and the American players are kind

415
00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:36,359
Speaker 1: of getting little bit left behind.

416
00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,000
Speaker 2: Oh definitely. I mean, like even my players in the

417
00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,720
Speaker 2: G League. I'm like, look here, man, like.

418
00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,920
Speaker 3: You just just shoot the corner, three, play some defense,

419
00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,159
Speaker 3: rebound the ball. Oh man, you hold me back, coach,

420
00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,280
Speaker 3: you hold me back, like I gotta show what's I'm like, Look,

421
00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,080
Speaker 3: if you got a bag, man, you don't need.

422
00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,840
Speaker 2: To show all that stuff in the bag. You just

423
00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,040
Speaker 2: need a couple of things.

424
00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,560
Speaker 3: Only the star megastar is going to be able to

425
00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,119
Speaker 3: James harden it and do all that Kyrie stuff.

426
00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,000
Speaker 2: Gone and do that stuff and see what happens.

427
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,879
Speaker 1: You'll be here, hey, You'll be right over here. I

428
00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,280
Speaker 1: got a question too, because I think and I don't

429
00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,359
Speaker 1: think enough people talk about this. And obviously you played

430
00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,000
Speaker 1: the game at the highest level, then you coach the

431
00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,760
Speaker 1: G League understanding the simplicity in which they need to

432
00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,760
Speaker 1: get looked at, because I think, like you said, they

433
00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,159
Speaker 1: think they need to go in their bag. But if

434
00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,800
Speaker 1: you're in the G League and you're gonna get called

435
00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,360
Speaker 1: up to the NBA, you're gonna be a role player.

436
00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:26,960
Speaker 1: You're going to be at the bottom, towards the bottom

437
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,520
Speaker 1: of the bench, and you're gonna be a specific energy guy,

438
00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,760
Speaker 1: rebound guy, knockdown shooter defender. But at the same time,

439
00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,560
Speaker 1: I think they think, just what you I got to

440
00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,199
Speaker 1: get my bag, coach. But that's when you're in the

441
00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,000
Speaker 1: G league. That's not unless you're a draft pick that's

442
00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,200
Speaker 1: getting his feet wet. If your guy has just been

443
00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:41,639
Speaker 1: in the G league, you're gonna come up to be

444
00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,439
Speaker 1: a role player, and you got to find out what

445
00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:44,159
Speaker 1: that role is.

446
00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,919
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean I got called from management, like

447
00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:51,239
Speaker 3: you know, agents calling management saying like, you know, hey,

448
00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,960
Speaker 3: you got to put my guy at this position so

449
00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,760
Speaker 3: he can he can get off more, like, he can

450
00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,840
Speaker 3: do more, he can dribble more, he could get more shots.

451
00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,719
Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, like, dude, that's not what you're

452
00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,800
Speaker 2: gonna be at the next level.

453
00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,960
Speaker 3: You're gonna be a role player. First of all, you're

454
00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,399
Speaker 3: not gonna even be a role player. You're gonna be

455
00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,080
Speaker 3: sitting at the bench cheering and if you do get

456
00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,760
Speaker 3: that opportunity, your greatest gift that helped you get there,

457
00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:16,840
Speaker 3: all of y'all is playing hard.

458
00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:17,359
Speaker 1: That's it.

459
00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,960
Speaker 3: Just going out there and play hard and jump on

460
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,600
Speaker 3: a loose ball or something like that.

461
00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,800
Speaker 2: And maybe that'll get you, you.

462
00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,080
Speaker 3: Know, a ten day contract, or possibly somebody get hurt

463
00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,359
Speaker 3: and you get a call with these guys like like, man,

464
00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,680
Speaker 3: I got to shoot the three. Like look here, man,

465
00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,480
Speaker 3: I had a kid this year, big guy. PJ Hall,

466
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,840
Speaker 3: PJ Hall. I'm like, look here, man, look what's going

467
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,760
Speaker 3: on with the Nuggets. You know what I'm saying.

468
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,160
Speaker 2: You're a four man.

469
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:47,480
Speaker 3: First, you rebound, set screens, hustle, play hard, and then

470
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,840
Speaker 3: you will find a three ball here and there. But

471
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,040
Speaker 3: you just can't drift out there and just shoot three

472
00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,960
Speaker 3: balls because guess what, you're not gonna get to do

473
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,400
Speaker 3: that on the top if you get the opportunity, So

474
00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 3: show that you got some toughness first and that you

475
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 3: could with the big boys, and.

476
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,000
Speaker 2: Then the three ball to come.

477
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 3: And he fought me a little bit, but you know

478
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,800
Speaker 3: he did that, and now you know he's on this

479
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 3: two way. I think he just had a two way

480
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,920
Speaker 3: contract going into this season. But you know, it's tough

481
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 3: at times to communicate that because the guys believe that

482
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:18,200
Speaker 3: putting the ball through.

483
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,400
Speaker 1: The hoop everything is their way. Is this urban legend? Obviously?

484
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 1: This is before nil summer jobs in college.

485
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 3: Did you work at a bar in a junk yard, man, Yeah,

486
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 3: I worked at a bar.

487
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 2: I worked, man.

488
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:34,200
Speaker 3: Look, Man, I took that sat and Act about fifteen times.

489
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 2: I'm sure.

490
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 3: I'm sure Moose Moose was there with me taking these

491
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 3: preparatory classes.

492
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,399
Speaker 2: You know, Man, I couldn't I couldn't pass that stuff.

493
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 3: Man, So I was I was a non qualifier my

494
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 3: first year, and I didn't go to high school graduation.

495
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,400
Speaker 3: My mom put me on the plane with a blanket

496
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 3: and a bag, and I went straight out to Utah

497
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 3: this summer before school started and not and I worked

498
00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 3: in the junkyard for like two months literally and one

499
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,360
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty degrees, separating you know, rocks from cans.

500
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, it was tough. You know.

501
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 3: I slept in the car, I slept in the closet

502
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,439
Speaker 3: in the summer, you know what I'm saying. Like, I

503
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 3: stayed with Keith van Horn and a couple other guys,

504
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 3: Jimmy Carroll, you know, and they had a nice little

505
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 3: crib man and they didn't have no room for me.

506
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,919
Speaker 3: So I slept in the closet, you know, get up

507
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 3: in the morning, go work at a junk yard. Then

508
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 3: I go work at a bar cleaning up bathrooms. Yeah yeah, yeah,

509
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 3: I have to do what I gotta do.

510
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 1: How did your streak end? Brian Shaw had no clue

511
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 1: and didn't Well, that wasn't.

512
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 2: The first streak, man. The first streak ended when I

513
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 2: was in Portland.

514
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 3: It was basically like we had a hit out on

515
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 3: Blake Griffin, Like, you know, this dude's flying all around

516
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 3: the rim, ducking and stuff and throwing elbows and he

517
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 3: just got loose for a little bit and I got

518
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 3: a chance to get a hit in and I ended

519
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 3: up getting suspended.

520
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 2: And you know what year was that. That had to

521
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,120
Speaker 2: been like oh nine.

522
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah right here, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, And

523
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 3: and at that point, at that point, I played like

524
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 3: about six years straight without missing the game, and yeah,

525
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 3: I got my.

526
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: Hit in and so he pushed you in the back

527
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: right there.

528
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 2: Well it was it was a.

529
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 3: Lot of stuff going on, come on, man, like seriously,

530
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 3: but I ended up getting suspended. But that's when everybody

531
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 3: was you know, I didn't get kicked out that game,

532
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 3: but I got suspended.

533
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 2: But shout out to LaMarcus Audridge.

534
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 4: Man.

535
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 3: The next day in practice, he he brought me a

536
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 3: big frame and it and it had how many games I.

537
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 2: Played in the row really and you know.

538
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 3: We didn't practice that that That was an appreciation. I

539
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 3: got big, big respect for LaMarcus Audridge and my teammates.

540
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 2: Jared Dayless.

541
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got my linebacker.

542
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, I played yeah my.

543
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 1: Back. Hey, I wanted to, I want to. I remember that.

544
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: That was crazy.

545
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I got a lot of respect.

546
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 2: I had fun. That was one of my fun times

547
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 2: playing in theb So they didn't even call a fouler.

548
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 2: They didn't even call that foul.

549
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 3: But if you watch the next play with Market not

550
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 3: La Marcus, but Marcus can be closed lining damn the

551
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 3: next play, Yeah, he closed lining I think the next

552
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,199
Speaker 3: play and he didn't get he got I think he

553
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 3: either got a technical or kicked out.

554
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: But I end up having to talk to Stu Jackson

555
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: and you know you can win that.

556
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when Blake Griffin, Yeah he was jumping all

557
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 3: over the place.

558
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: But I mean credit to Blake that first kept going.

559
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: When I played with him, everybody tried to beat him up. Yeah,

560
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: but he was a bull. Oh face mask fifteen.

561
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 2: Yards somebody whacked somebody.

562
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: I thought, So that was your first streak. And then

563
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 1: the street with Brian Shaw talked us about that.

564
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 2: Shout out to Brian Shaw.

565
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 3: You know, like my ego kicked in really, and you

566
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 3: know how you know when you get older, when you

567
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 3: get older, you know, and for somebody to tell you,

568
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 3: you know what, man, we don't need you to do all.

569
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 2: That no more.

570
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 3: And it kind of hit the ego because I was

571
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 3: a veteran trying to speak up for my teammates and

572
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 3: it was just a little bit of a disagreement. And

573
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 3: what's crazy is, you know, me and him talked it out,

574
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 3: you know, I think within the last three or four years.

575
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: You know, his daughter lives in San Diego, and.

576
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 3: She came over to me. She brought the whole family, Brian,

577
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 3: his wife, the grandma. We even got in the studio,

578
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 3: started rapping, you know, you know, like we had a

579
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: good time and we talked it out, man, because like

580
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: you know, I never had nobody tell me like, you know,

581
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 3: you know what dre is you on the back end.

582
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 2: We need to you.

583
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 3: Know, And I took it personal, and you know, we

584
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 3: talked it out and it's all good. I got a

585
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 3: lot of respect for Brinshaw, you know, and I hate

586
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 3: that it turned out the way it did. But I

587
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 3: was like, shit, man, like the only thing I probably

588
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 3: myself he is playing games.

589
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 2: And for me not to get.

590
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 3: A DMP, like I ain't never had no DMP in

591
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 3: fifteen years, So like for y'all to pull my jersey off, like, dude, like,

592
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:00,120
Speaker 3: what's going on?

593
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 6: Man?

594
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: At least let me like put me in for a minute.

595
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 3: But the whole team had played I hold up, even

596
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,479
Speaker 3: the rookies, and I'm sitting over there like, man, am

597
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 3: I gonna get in because I'm in the rotation?

598
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: So how the rest of that go? Because I know

599
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: obviously that's gonna turn you sour? How the rest of

600
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: that situation go?

601
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 7: Well?

602
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 3: What ended up happening with that situation was I ended

603
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 3: up getting suspended and it was like, you know, they

604
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: locked me out the arena, you know, like from like

605
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 3: January to February, and the Nuggets was just like you

606
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: know what, we just gonna say you away from the

607
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: team for personal reasons, but.

608
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 1: They let you in.

609
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they locked me out the arena.

610
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 3: I was working out a lifetime fitness for like a

611
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: month and a half and shout out to Al Harrington.

612
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: I get a call from Washington.

613
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 3: Al like, man, come over here, man, now men ours

614
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 3: locker roommates in Denver. Our lockers was next. So he

615
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 3: went on to Washington. Nay, they went to Washington. So

616
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 3: they both called me. Was like, come to Washington. So

617
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 3: I went to Conley. Tim Conley, who's the gym for

618
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 3: the Timberwools. Now, I'm like, man, trade.

619
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: Me to Washington.

620
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 3: They traded me to Washington, and then I finished out,

621
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 3: you know, going there and then on the Sacramento, Minnesota

622
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 3: and San Antonio. So but you know, it was it

623
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 3: was a good learning experience. The NBA throw so many

624
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: curve balls at.

625
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: You and where you don't really learn the business side

626
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: of it in the mental side. I'll be telling people like,

627
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: once you get there playing as ten percent, the mental ism, yeah,

628
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: keep people back.

629
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 3: And you thinking like it ain't gonna be me. It

630
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 3: ain't gonna be me, and all my trades. Was surprised, like, man,

631
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 3: I hope.

632
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't me.

633
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: You know, I hope it wasn't me.

634
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: And hey, you get to shake your hands. Goluck to you, Dre,

635
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 3: Good luck to you, and man.

636
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: Like where I'm gonna go. Man, I got dogs. We're

637
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: gonna watch my dogs, man like you know.

638
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 3: But you know, it's a part of the business. And

639
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 3: I just tried to keep my head down to the

640
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: ground and pride myself on being available.

641
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 2: What you talked about earlier.

642
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 1: Dre the roller skater, Yeah, talk to me about your

643
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: roller skating game. Man.

644
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 3: I've been roller skating, man since I was about nine,

645
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: ten years old, Yeah, to this day.

646
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: So that's my hobby.

647
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 3: You know, even though my feet hurt, roller skate, Ma,

648
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 3: I ain't putting on no roller blades, man, and catch

649
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 3: me and no roller blades. But but no, man, that's

650
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: always been my hobby.

651
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 4: You know.

652
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 3: As much as I liked hanging out when I played

653
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: ball and we on the road traveling, it was nothing

654
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 3: for me to find that, you know, a city. We

655
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 3: end up in Chicago and I find myself in the

656
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 3: South side of Chicago at.

657
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: A skating ring, a skating ring.

658
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I definitely go, you know, by myself. If

659
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 3: I knew somebody in that city. Instead of going to

660
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: a club or getting out, I take my skates with

661
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 3: me on the road, you know.

662
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, can you imagine just running to this motherfucker

663
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: the night before a game.

664
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah for real.

665
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: So you know that's that's how I made friends around

666
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: different cities through the skating ring and shooting.

667
00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 2: Now I'm state to state skating friends everywhere. Yeah.

668
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: Watched this clip. We had La on the show a

669
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: little while ago. Watched this clip. Tell us you a

670
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: Drey Miller story.

671
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, So first year with him, and I

672
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 7: had never played with an elite elite because I you know,

673
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 7: I hadn't played with Dame yet and Row was it too.

674
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 4: That's when I was like starting to kill.

675
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 7: So team was like doule Timmy, like they were in

676
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 7: front of me, like I couldn't get the ball.

677
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 4: You know. He talks all how I was cool with him,

678
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 4: but he would always call me Marcus Owers. I'm like, bro,

679
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 4: stop calling me that. So we in the game. He

680
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 4: said my whole long ass name, like bro stop, But

681
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 4: he was like, Marcan's older.

682
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 7: Just come here, and I'm like bro. First of all,

683
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 7: I stopped calling me that, but you know what, I'm saying.

684
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 7: He was like, hey, what are you on the block.

685
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 4: Just go to the rim. I'm like, Drake, I can't

686
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 4: see you. Don't worry about just go to the rim. Man.

687
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 7: He tripping. I can't even see this, nigga. I was like,

688
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 7: I bet we're on the block. I'm getting in front

689
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 7: of it. I spent and go to the rim. That

690
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 7: mother is right there. I was like, oh my god.

691
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 7: I was like, okay, be good now. And that's the

692
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 7: year we let the whole league in lobs. Bro. Like

693
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 7: that was that year was bro? It was crazy, how

694
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 7: easier all that's great love throws.

695
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 4: Just spent to the rim.

696
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 7: I was like, all right, bro, I can't see you,

697
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 7: so I can't see the ball. Don't worry about it.

698
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: Bro.

699
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 7: So we we we in l a Bro. We didn't

700
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 7: live having a good ass time this black I think

701
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 7: we have.

702
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 4: We had been winning and winning and winning.

703
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 7: So we got to tell you what, it's the whole crew,

704
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 7: and like we asked him to go out, but only

705
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 7: I don't think he said he wanted to long story shart, Bro,

706
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 7: y'all know this, niggas, y'all gonna get it.

707
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 4: We in the club were having a good time. We

708
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 4: kicking it.

709
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 7: We on the Floyd Live. You know, it's the viog

710
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 7: down there. We looked to the left and the corners.

711
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 7: The nigga boy himself just chilling. Was what the you're

712
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 7: doing in this spot?

713
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 4: By oh, y'all good? Bro, y'all good?

714
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 7: The spot by himself like right behind us in the corners,

715
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 7: dogs the motherfuckering the corner.

716
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 4: It's Drake just kicking it by.

717
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 7: Himself, broad like, what's up are y'all y'all good?

718
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 4: Bro? Y'all know.

719
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 7: I'm like, he don't give a fun. Baron Davis have

720
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 7: that same type like that. So we laying in Dallas.

721
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 4: He right to the.

722
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 7: Bro like like I grew up. He in the hood

723
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 7: where I grew up niggas. He was like, yo, dre here.

724
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, one of the kind bro.

725
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: Shout out to LaMarcus man. I mean he was probably like,

726
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: you know, a combination of all the power forwards that

727
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: I played with from college, Keith van Horn, Elton Brand,

728
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 3: you know, Kenyon Martin, you know, all a combination of

729
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: all them that can play inside and out for me

730
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 3: to be able to just throw the ball up to him,

731
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 3: and man, it was easy to get assists, you know.

732
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: So you know athletes, man, these dudes were special, man.

733
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 3: And you know, any any way I could help that

734
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: dude on the court and in my teammates, man, I

735
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: was just throwing it up. It was a risk and

736
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 3: it was something that I was doing in college with

737
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 3: Van Horne.

738
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 4: You know.

739
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: It was like a super athlete in college, Let's throw

740
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: it up to the rim.

741
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 7: Man.

742
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: It's like, you gotta figure it out up in the air.

743
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: You know, because I'm e it's gonna be there, and

744
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: you know, and I was nervous at times just about

745
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 3: them getting low bridge and hurt. But you know, the

746
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 3: eager dollars of the world, man, these dudes super athletes. Man,

747
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw up wherever. You gotta figure out how

748
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: to go get it. So, you know, shout out to

749
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: la man. And then you know the full name thing,

750
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: you know, like I've called all my teammates by their

751
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 3: first and last name, you know, straight respect.

752
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: Carmel, Anthony ay Man, like you know j R. Smith came.

753
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: Like That's how I called everybody by their name.

754
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: And I saw that a lot of people tease me

755
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: about it, but that's how I coached the game.

756
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: It was.

757
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: It was straight respect. I didn't call no guys by

758
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: you know, mellow. You know, I didn't call it like NB,

759
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: you know, like I called it by your first and

760
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: last name, and it got annoying at times. But you

761
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: know that's how much respect I got for you. You

762
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying was Brandon Roy on those Yeah,

763
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: Brandon Roy Man, what a special dude with a special dude,

764
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 3: a special talent.

765
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 4: You know.

766
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: Man, if he was healthy and Greg Oden was healthy,

767
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 3: I mean like man, I mean, Brandon Roy.

768
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: Just couldn't make it through no practices.

769
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 3: You know, his needs was shot when I got there,

770
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: and I felt bad for him because, man, I really

771
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 3: thought I could have flourished with him, Steve Blake, Jared Bayless,

772
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: Martell Man. That team was so good and I was

773
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: actually on the court when Greg Oldin blew out that knee,

774
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: and man, he was like, man, he was special.

775
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: So I took him about him because he was someone

776
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: I think they call him a bus but he had

777
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: a lot of game and a lot of talent in

778
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: his body gave out, but he was very scared.

779
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like him. I mean he was like

780
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 3: another version of like the new coming of Shock another

781
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 3: version like that big, that athletic and play with bon

782
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 3: I mean he was big, and to have him and

783
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: Brandon Roy, like, I wish Brandon Roy could stayed, you know, healthy,

784
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: because I thought I was slow, you know what I'm saying.

785
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 3: Like people say I was slow, but I just had

786
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: good change of pace. But Brandon Roy, like how he

787
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: maneuvered and played with that ball man, he was special. Man,

788
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,719
Speaker 3: Both of those guys were special, and I wish they

789
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: was healthy. I thought we had a good run over

790
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: there because I think the one year we lost to

791
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 3: we lost to Dallas. Dallas ended up winning the championship

792
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 3: that year and we lost to them.

793
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: And the.

794
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 2: Man, that was a good series.

795
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: And you know the next year we lost to Phoenix,

796
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 3: and that's when Phoenix was rolling. That's when they really

797
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 3: started shooting three pointers with Steve Nash and Jason Richardson

798
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 3: and all those guys and Stodamere. So you know, I

799
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: wish those guys was healthy. But it was a great

800
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 3: run in Portland for those two years.

801
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: Hundred and ninth Street, Rex Center and watts Man.

802
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: So I heard, you know my big homie Max, Well,

803
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: my big buddy Maxwell, you know, with the Jerry Curw

804
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 3: But but yeah, man, you know it was kind of like,

805
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 3: you know, right there where I grew up, and you know,

806
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: I made all my friends and.

807
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: It was rough.

808
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 3: It was just a recreational gym where you go play

809
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: basketball and you make friends and you know, and that's

810
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: what it was, you know. You know, I could say

811
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: I was already tough, but it kind of helped build

812
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 3: some some different type of toughness.

813
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: How did you stay out of I mean, you you

814
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: grew up smack dab in the middle of gang culture.

815
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: How were you able to navigate? You know, walking walking

816
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: through the streets, going to school, walking on the railroad tracks.

817
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: A lot of people the burger spot y'all used to,

818
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: you know, frequent. What kept you safe?

819
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 3: I never looked at it as a gang culture, you

820
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.

821
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: We was kids, It was life.

822
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 3: And you know, I was blessed enough that you know

823
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 3: half you know, a mom, you know, my pops wasn't around.

824
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 3: But you know, there was a lot of of men

825
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 3: that were mentors in my life, whether it was in

826
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: the streets, my godparents, people at school, my friends. I

827
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: was blessed enough to have friends that had a father

828
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 3: and a home and you know, I'll go over their housing,

829
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 3: you know, and if I didn't have to go to

830
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: the park or you know, I just figured it out.

831
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: So I think it was organic. It just happened. And

832
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: you know, everybody was everybody had a talent. Everybody was

833
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 3: special in some type of sport or or gifted academically.

834
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: It was just that, you know, you know, our our

835
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 3: route went different. And you know, I give all those

836
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 3: guys credit, you know what I'm saying that that helped

837
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 3: me along the way.

838
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: So I'm a big family man. I'm a big neighborhood man,

839
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 2: and and and and that's what I do.

840
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 3: That's why I'm away a lot, because I'm I'm where

841
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 3: I supposed to be.

842
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 2: You know, and giving back.

843
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: Who were some other guys when you were coming up

844
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 1: they ended up making the league that at a younger

845
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: age man.

846
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 3: So you know, since I was on that side of town,

847
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 3: you know, like you had the the Ricky Prices in

848
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: Long Beach, you had to crench our guys with Tremaine

849
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 3: Folks and Christian Johnson and then you had guys from

850
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 3: Freemont Bailey's. You know, I'm told being Moose it was

851
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 3: so much Paul was a year younger than me in Inglewood,

852
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 3: but they were such on an elite level in high school,

853
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: you know, like I wasn't on that level. I was

854
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 3: just a chubby, fat kid with with a lot of hair.

855
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 3: And I'm like, man, we're going to play those dudes,

856
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: like I get a chance to prove myself. And you know,

857
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: like I said before we started running the moose, like

858
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: they got memories of us going to like Superstar camp and.

859
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: What's funny you see, not to cut you off, I

860
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: have a group chat with some UCLA dudes and some

861
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: dudes that grew up with you, and I was like,

862
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: give me some good dra Miller stories.

863
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 4: Bro.

864
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: They started telling me stories about how you went to

865
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: an All Star camp and played and sweats the whole

866
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: time and when MVP and said Dre was just always

867
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: marched to a different beat, but he has so much game.

868
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 5: Yeah.

869
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

870
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: My godparents introduced me at five six years old to

871
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 3: that YMCA basketball. I found my way to Inglewood YMCA

872
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 3: and Paul was playing in there, Barren was playing. We

873
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 3: didn't know, you know, we was just big time Lakers

874
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 3: fans and I I believe the Lakers used to practice there.

875
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: Back in the day, so for me to be able

876
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 3: to play in that type of environment, and I was

877
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: always the younger one, you know, everybody else was like

878
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 3: a grade or two older. So you know, my mom

879
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: had me everywhere around Los Angeles and on the outskirts

880
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: playing basketball.

881
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: Talk to us about your brother and how your mom

882
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: started calling you doctor Dre, where that name came from.

883
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: Talk us to what that journey with your little brother

884
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: and what you went through with him.

885
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: So in a nutshell, I tell people when I do

886
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: go talk to some of these youngsters and we talk

887
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 3: about adversities in life. You know, I was the kid

888
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: that was at the grocery store when you come out

889
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: with all the candy. Hey, Matt, you want to buy

890
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: a candy for a dollar? You know what I'm saying.

891
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: My brother got sick at five years old and became

892
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 3: the same he was one. We were eleven months apart,

893
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 3: and my brother got sick and he was basically like

894
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: a vegetable for like six years. My brother passed away

895
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: when he was eleven. I was twelve, and yeah, I

896
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,959
Speaker 3: was a kid like my mom would had this van.

897
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 3: My mom had this blue van and she would allow

898
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: you know, I hate to say gang members.

899
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: But you know, friends that were older than me.

900
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 3: They would take my van and they had basketball teams

901
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 3: and we would follow them all around. In my age group,

902
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 3: we would follow around them too. So but yeah, I

903
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 3: was a kid that standing outside the grocery stores sell

904
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 3: all the candy. We sell all the candy, me and

905
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: my friends from the neighborhood. And then we would go

906
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 3: to the drive in movies, or we'll go to a

907
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 3: wrestling match, or we'll save our money and go to

908
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: a Clippers game, you know what I'm saying. So you know,

909
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: we at that time, you couldn't even really get in

910
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: Laker games back then, so it's like we just got

911
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 3: to sneak up there and try to get some Maggie

912
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 3: Johnson autographs and stuff like that afterwards. But we was

913
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 3: taking that money and just just going to buy up everything.

914
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: We was all through Los Angeles selling candy. So you know,

915
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: that kind of kept us. My mom kind of kept

916
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 3: a lot of the kids away from, you know, all

917
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 3: the activities in the streets. But you know, she let

918
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 3: me go a little bit. And then it was of

919
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: course like we all be at home before the lights

920
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 3: come on and stuff, and hey, Dre, Dre, you know,

921
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 3: your mom looking for you and I'm running home in

922
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: the middle of the night. Knew I was gonna get

923
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 3: a whooping, you know, But yeah, man, So that was

924
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 3: the lifestyle.

925
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 4: You know.

926
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: It was fun, you know, and you know, it's a

927
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 3: blessing that, you know, I got a lot of a

928
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: lot of my friends that I I that went on

929
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 3: this journey with me since I was little, you know,

930
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 3: and some of them that get a chance to come home,

931
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: whether they did time or you know, but it's a

932
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 3: blessing to be able to tell this story.

933
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: And you know, we all had these dreams. We all

934
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: had these dreams.

935
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 3: So that's why I was so committed, and that's why

936
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: I didn't mess up, because I knew, you know, I

937
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: can't let no none of these people down, you know

938
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So you know, that's why I stepped

939
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: to my grind.

940
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: Talk to me real quick about fatherhood, because I mean,

941
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: you explained our childhoods obviously I'm Northern California, Southern California.

942
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: But we played outside, We made shit happen. We hustled

943
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: to get money to eat, eating, to go do shit.

944
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: Like our kids never really got that experience like the neighborhood. Yeah,

945
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: I feel like this generation of kids misses out, missed

946
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: out on so much because we learned, we learned life there. Yeah,

947
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: and our kids don't get that.

948
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: It's tough.

949
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 4: Man.

950
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: I look at my son every day, my last one, thirteen, like, man,

951
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 2: get off the computer. Man, I don't even remember taking

952
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: baths when I was little.

953
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying out the house, like wait,

954
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 3: we got whoopings for night taking baths, you know, so

955
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 3: because we was gone soon as the sun came up.

956
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 3: It was some eggs and some bacon waiting, and then

957
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: we didn't come home till night time, like take a

958
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 3: bath when we fall asleep, right back outside.

959
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: Again city and one day and come back.

960
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. So you know it was fun. But you know,

961
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 2: times changed.

962
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: You know, and I enjoy fatherhood, you know, I enjoyed

963
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 3: the challenge. And you know, even though I'm not coaching,

964
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 3: I still get a chance to be a father and

965
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: to my son, you know, to try to least set

966
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: some work ethic, you know, values in them.

967
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 2: So I take pride in that.

968
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: Watts to Utah. What kind of transition was that.

969
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: Man, old man, I didn't get recruited number one.

970
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 4: They didn't get.

971
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: Recruited because I couldn't pass those test scores. And I

972
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: still remember like I was somewhere playing basketball. I think

973
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: I was in the neighborhood playing basketball, and this fat

974
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: white guy comes up to me, and I think that

975
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: summer I played in some stuff called Rockfish. I played

976
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 3: in Rockfish one summer and I was playing like six

977
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: seven games a day. And then I was like, I

978
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 3: felt like somebody was following me. But like he came

979
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: in the neighborhood. It was like, you know, hey, man,

980
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 3: like I'm offering you a scholarship, but it's not because

981
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: you can play basketball.

982
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: He was like, I see your.

983
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: Mom running up and down the sidelines. You know, my

984
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 3: mom would yell up and down the sidelines while I

985
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: was playing. And Rick Majeris offered me a scholarship. It

986
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 3: wasn't because I could play basketball. He was like, I'm

987
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: offering you a scholarship because your mom. So You're like,

988
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 3: you know, I don't care if you passed the test

989
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 3: or nothing. We're gonna bring you out here proved that

990
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: you can do the academics. And that was the first

991
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 3: scholarship offer that I got. Donnie Daniels, who recruited me

992
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 3: to Utah actually went to Verbon Day. But that was

993
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 3: the only scholarship offer that I had, damn and I

994
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: took that thing and you know over there.

995
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: So what was the process? You said you were a

996
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: prop kid. You didn't pass the test, So what happened

997
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: your first year? Did you stay out there?

998
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 3: My first year? Like I said, I graduated. I graduated

999
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 3: and then I missed. I missed, yep, I missed a graduation.

1000
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: I went straight out to Utah started stealing everything. You know.

1001
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: I didn't have no money, man, like the kids, and

1002
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 3: I'm happy they got n Ils. Man, I was stealing

1003
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: everything in sight.

1004
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 2: Man, I went up there.

1005
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: I was stealing ribs chicken from me and my teammate Brandon.

1006
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: Jesse rest In PC just passed away a couple of

1007
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: years ago. But man, we didn't have no money, man Like,

1008
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: we didn't have no cars. Like we go out there

1009
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 2: like man.

1010
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: Like, like this is tough, so you know, and I

1011
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: gotta go to school, you know, and it's two three

1012
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 3: hundred kids in the classroom.

1013
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: Man, I was just all messed up.

1014
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, man, we was cooking all we was having

1015
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: all ribbed and chicken barbecues.

1016
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: Man, no size, nothing else.

1017
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 4: Man.

1018
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: Look, man, we was eating I still bues, just all men,

1019
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: stuff and stuff.

1020
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 4: Man.

1021
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: I didn't even drink beer.

1022
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 3: Man Like we was just stuff and stuff all in

1023
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: our sweats. And that was my first year. Because I

1024
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 3: wasn't on scholarship. I had to prove that I can

1025
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 3: do the academics. And you know, I got on like

1026
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 3: you know, a couple of probations and then something just

1027
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: registered like man like, man, I need to get this

1028
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 3: in gear, you know. And after that my first year, man,

1029
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: I never missed the class. I never missed the class,

1030
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 3: and I got my degree in what was special. Reason

1031
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: why I tell that story is because when I graduated,

1032
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 3: you know, when you was a non qualifier, you you

1033
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 3: lose that year bligibility. So I only had three years

1034
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 3: of basketball. So when I graduated, I graduated within four years.

1035
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: I appealed the year that I lost to the n

1036
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 3: C Double A and I got the year back. I

1037
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 3: was the first one that did that. So guys like

1038
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 3: d Wade, Dwayne Wade, he was a non qualifier, I

1039
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: mean he was so good, either have to you know, stay.

1040
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 3: I ended up staying the extra year because it was

1041
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 3: a lockout year.

1042
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: Okay, so it was ninety eight, ninety eight, that.

1043
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: Was my freshman year.

1044
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rica, Yeah, so it was nineteen ninety eight. That

1045
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 3: was the year we went to the National Championship. Like, man,

1046
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: I could go to the NBA now, But then the

1047
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: lockout happened.

1048
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: So I was like, you know what, I'm gonna just stay.

1049
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 3: I won the appeal and they gave my my year

1050
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 3: of eligibility back and then I enrolled in the Master's

1051
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: program at Utah, So I didn't finish a man, forget that.

1052
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: I'm just go to school master school, you know, for like,

1053
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: you know, just till this semester. And then withdrew from

1054
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: everything and I was cool. So university, you Tall, Chris Hill,

1055
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 3: Manny Hendrix, Donny Daniels, Tommy There's a lot of people,

1056
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 3: man that helped me along the way, because man, I

1057
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 3: didn't know how to talk when I got out there,

1058
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 3: and I was shy. Man, I was scared. And you know,

1059
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 3: my punishment was public speaking. Really I had to go

1060
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 3: talk to a lot of kids and you know, telling

1061
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: my story and you know it started off with kindergartners

1062
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 3: and now I get to go into the jails and

1063
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: the juvenile facilities and kind of you know, mentor and

1064
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 3: help out with people.

1065
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 1: There wasn't that many people that had your skin tone

1066
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: out there neither.

1067
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: Oh.

1068
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: Man, Look, man, I mean everybody thought I was white anyway.

1069
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 3: Everybody thought I was half white, you know, so they

1070
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 3: thought I was Mormon, you know what I'm saying. And

1071
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: good hair, and it's like, you know, like it was

1072
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: only like always only two black guys on the team,

1073
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 3: so it was like we stuck out like a sore thumb.

1074
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: But it was a great experience. Man.

1075
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 3: I just talked to Mike Doliak yesterday. I learned how

1076
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: to ride a horse. I learned how to surf, I

1077
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: learned how to wakeboard, I learned how to ski.

1078
00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 4: Man.

1079
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 3: I was jumping off cliar and I was doing all

1080
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 3: that stuff they do, man, So you know, and to

1081
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 3: pay it forward.

1082
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: Man, we had a certain level of respect for each other,

1083
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. They went, I went.

1084
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 3: To where they grew up, and my senior year, I

1085
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: brought everybody to the neighborhood. In the middle of the night,

1086
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 3: we was on a road trip playing long Bee State,

1087
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 3: and I woke everybody up.

1088
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 2: We stole the Vans, and I.

1089
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 3: Took them to the neighborhood. I took them to the

1090
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 3: neighbor I just took them to the neighborhood in the

1091
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: middle of the night, like this is where I come from.

1092
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: You know.

1093
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: It was like talk to I mean, that's that's incredible.

1094
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 3: I never heard many I tell you the story, like

1095
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 3: about twelve one in the morning, and I gave them,

1096
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 3: you know, the raw and uncut you know what I'm saying,

1097
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 3: and like, Hey, I've been to where y'all come from.

1098
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: Where y'all eating steaks and.

1099
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: Big baked potatoes and stuff like over here, let's go

1100
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: over here. This is where my mom lived at. This

1101
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: is you right here.

1102
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: We didn't go in there because it's night time, but

1103
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: we went.

1104
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 3: Right through the neighbor Hey, get out, let's go for

1105
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: a walk.

1106
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1107
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: So you know they had one one of my teammates. Yeah,

1108
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 3: well Van Horn was gone, Doliac. He was gone also

1109
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: because he was his rookie year in the NBA, because

1110
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 3: Doliac came out to lockout, you you know, and Keith

1111
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 3: came out with Tim Duncan ninety seven. So it was fun, man,

1112
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: it was fun. And you know, one of my teammates

1113
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: went home told us Mormon family, you know.

1114
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: Like we want him to go on the Mormon mission

1115
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 2: over there.

1116
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 3: You know, like okay, whatever, But you know, it was

1117
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 3: just a respect thing. And I loved my teammates.

1118
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: Keith van horn had a lot of games. Van horn Man,

1119
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: van horn Man.

1120
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: He was special.

1121
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 7: Man.

1122
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: It was like he was the first excuse I mean,

1123
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: first white guy that I was like, like, dang, I

1124
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 2: thought he was.

1125
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: From Utah, but he's from Diamond Bar. He's from Diamond Bar.

1126
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 3: So I'm like, man, where did y'all find us do that?

1127
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 3: And he was the first guy every recruit at every

1128
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: player that came in, he challenged them to a one

1129
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: on one game like I'm gonna let you know this

1130
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: is my team. He was that good and he was mean,

1131
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 3: you know. And one thing another thing I say, he

1132
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: never played back basketball with the Utah Jazz.

1133
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: He always felt he was better. He was already better

1134
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 2: than them.

1135
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 3: He was that good and if he did show up,

1136
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 3: he'd dominate the whole runs.

1137
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: He was that good.

1138
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 3: He was that good, you know, but you know, shout

1139
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 3: out to him. You know, he just kind of like

1140
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 3: maybe lost his passion for it. You know, he had

1141
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 3: a good NBA career, and you know, he had a

1142
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 3: lot of stuff like all of us had going on,

1143
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 3: and you know he scratched out a great NBA career.

1144
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's my brother.

1145
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: One hundred and fourteen and twenty in your college career,

1146
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: lost to Kentucky three out of four years. That was

1147
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: the teams with what Ron Mercer and them.

1148
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: Look, man, we had a good team. They beat us

1149
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 2: by sixty.

1150
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 3: Ron Mercers and Twine Walker, Tony Delk man, Watch McCary.

1151
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 3: Look man, I was shaking in my heels on that

1152
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 3: court we played in Minnesota. I'm like, hold up, like

1153
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: and I say like after the first ten minutes, Rick

1154
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 3: Majeris was like, we just gonna try to cut this

1155
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 3: down five points at a time.

1156
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: That game was over.

1157
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 3: We we literally lost that game at least bout forty points,

1158
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: and we was like a top ten team. They just

1159
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 3: ran through the tournament. That was like the best combination

1160
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 3: of talent that I played against.

1161
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: They was ugly. Yeah, so it was. It was fun.

1162
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:26,479
Speaker 2: It was It was definitely fun.

1163
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: Man.

1164
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 3: It was you know that team and the North Carolina

1165
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: team in Antoine Walker and Vince Carter look man like

1166
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: they come out, Vince Carter, you know, doing all this

1167
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 3: stuff in the warm up.

1168
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: So I'm like, man, we finished to get blasting. We

1169
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: about to get blasted.

1170
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 3: And this was when Antoine Jamison couldn't even shoot. He

1171
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: was just shooting five foot float Like I'm like, hold up, man,

1172
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 3: like Vince Carter, like a never seen nobody jump like

1173
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 3: that before, like in college, Like.

1174
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 2: Dude, you're not even human.

1175
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 4: Man.

1176
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 3: We luckily enough beat them, you know, the team, Mike Bibby,

1177
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 3: Arizona Henderson, Dickerson, Miles Simon. Every time I see them,

1178
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 3: I get mad, you know, because they was. I mean, like,

1179
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 3: Mike Bibby don't get a lot of credit. Like as

1180
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: good as Alan Iverson's crossover was, I could never get

1181
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 3: Mike Bibby crossover And it was just I couldn't understand it. Yeah,

1182
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 3: Allan ivers and Mike Bibby, Derek Rose, I dude, man,

1183
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 3: like y'all just got.

1184
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: Too many moves. Let me back up, because I definitely

1185
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 2: fail a couple of times.

1186
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: The art of the post game for a guard. John

1187
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: Wall gave you a lot of credits that he's You're

1188
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: the best he's ever seen for a guard on the block,

1189
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: But it was you know Case Kidd, Peyton Barron. Why

1190
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: was that important to have in your bag during that

1191
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: time in the league.

1192
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 3: It was just something that I always watched when I

1193
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 3: was little. I used to watch Gary Payton. I used

1194
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 3: to watch Magic Johnson. I used to watch all the

1195
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 3: big guards when I was little, and how they you know,

1196
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 3: finesse they body around the basket. And you know, even

1197
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 3: I watched the Kevin McHale's and the James Worthies of

1198
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 3: the world. It was so many bigs back then that

1199
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 3: had post moves. So it was nothing like to be

1200
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 3: in the neighborhood and it wasn't no one on ones

1201
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: on the outside.

1202
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: It was banging on the inside.

1203
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: So I developed that that post stuff, and I didn't

1204
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 3: do it too much in college, but who gave me

1205
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 3: the confidence to start doing it in the NBA was

1206
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 3: John Lucas.

1207
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: John Lucas, he was yeah, in Cleveland. He was to

1208
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: coach my third year.

1209
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 3: And you know, he'd be like Richard, you know, man.

1210
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 3: He always called me Richard Pryor like go down there

1211
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 3: and post up, you know, and and he let me

1212
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 3: do my thing, man, And you know, it was all

1213
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 3: on what I saw, you know, the Gary Payton. You

1214
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 3: know Gary Payton did at the score, Jason Kidd at

1215
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 3: the past and I just kind of used it as

1216
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 3: a combination, you know, of passing and you know, because

1217
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 3: I felt like I can, I had an advantage at

1218
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 3: times versus smaller guards.

1219
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: So eighth picking the draft, who is in the who's

1220
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: the nuber one picking your draft?

1221
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 3: Elton b Elton Brown, one of my favorite teammates, Elk Baron,

1222
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 3: Steve Francis, Lamar, Corey mcghetty, Sean Marion, that' say Stevie GENOBII.

1223
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 3: Did you know gen second Genoble? It was Jonathan Bender.

1224
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 1: So much game.

1225
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was some.

1226
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 3: It was some good hoopers, Richard Hamilton, Ron Our Tests

1227
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 3: or whatever you want to call us.

1228
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: Run our test.

1229
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: So you finished fourth and in in rookie voting that year,

1230
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: your first year in Cleveland with Sean Kemp, uh Slick, Rick,

1231
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: Ricky Davis, Lamar Murray, Bob Sarah big Z. What was

1232
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: it like out there?

1233
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 2: That was fun?

1234
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 3: Man, But you know it was like I'm coming in

1235
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 3: as a young guy and you know, going to get donuts.

1236
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 3: Sean Kemp always had me running to get a bucket

1237
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 3: of chicken before games. Yeah, man, anytime, anytime in the

1238
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 3: middle of he got a little bigger. Yeah, that's that's

1239
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: the year he came over there. Like it wasn't Sean

1240
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 3: Sean blimp. They start calling, but like, man, like he

1241
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 3: came over there like too eighty two ninety and I

1242
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 3: was still throwing them lives. He was still averaging like

1243
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: twenty and ten and Clarence Wedtherspoon, Breven Knight, Earl Boykins Like,

1244
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, these are real NBA guys, you know,

1245
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 3: like to sitting in the locker room and you know

1246
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 3: the first time I seen an evet curse out of

1247
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 3: coach who did like I think it.

1248
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: Was Clarence Weatherspoon.

1249
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, that's the NBA coach cussing coaches out,

1250
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 3: throwing chairs like man, Like I'm just sitting in the

1251
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 3: corner like yeah, like this is how they do now.

1252
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 3: But you know a lot of mentors, man, I was

1253
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 3: blessed enough to be around some good vets.

1254
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: You were selected to the two thousand and two Fever team.

1255
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: Eb Antonio, Davis, Baron, Davis, Michael Finley, Race of Friend,

1256
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: Sean Mary and Reggie Miller, Jermaine O'Neil Paul Pierce, Ben Wallace,

1257
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: Jay Williams, to name a few. What was that experience?

1258
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 3: Like, well, give y'all a setup of how that team

1259
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 3: came about, because I believe George was the coach of

1260
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 3: that team. Carl George Carl was the coach of that team.

1261
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 3: And I think the year before that was ninety eleven.

1262
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 3: So I don't know if y'all remember, like the Megastars

1263
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 3: didn't want to play for USA Basketball, the Kobe's, the

1264
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 3: Shax and all of them, they didn't want to play.

1265
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 3: So they said, like, I guess you would call us

1266
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 3: the second Tiers, the up and coming ones, and it

1267
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 3: was it was rough. I think we came in like

1268
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 3: sixth place. Yeah, we was getting told up. That's when

1269
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 3: we first saw Manu Genobli. That's when we first saw

1270
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 3: y'all mean, yeah, man, like like these dudes is good,

1271
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 3: the Gasols from Spain like Nay Nate Brazil, like they

1272
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 3: was some good ball player, man. And we just didn't

1273
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 3: jail well man, Like we was arguing, like, man, we

1274
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 3: got legends on it them, Reggie Miller and Antonio Davis.

1275
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 3: We got good talent, man, and it just didn't It

1276
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 3: just didn't come together like it should have. But you know,

1277
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: it was a good experience. You know, the games were

1278
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 3: in Indianapolis. But man, we didn't win nothing. We didn't nothing.

1279
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 3: We were getting tore. But it was fun though, Clippers.

1280
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: You get a chance to come home and play for

1281
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: the Clippers back to the city. What was your first thoughts?

1282
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 3: Man, I'll give you all. So I played three years.

1283
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 3: I was telling my buddies about this coming over. You know,

1284
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 3: the first three years in Cleveland. This was pre Lebron

1285
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 3: and John Lucas.

1286
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: My third year.

1287
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 3: Of course, y'all know he got fired because he was

1288
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 3: working out Lebron and I didn't know who Lebron was

1289
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 3: and in high school, you know, he was in high school.

1290
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 3: And they was like, you know Cleveland, I think Paxson

1291
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 3: was gym. He's like, man, we want you to go

1292
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 3: give this this Player of the Year award to this

1293
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 3: kid and Akron And I'm like, who a y'all talking

1294
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 3: about like I just.

1295
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 2: Led the league and assists.

1296
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 3: I'm feeling myself and like it's this kid. He gonna

1297
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 3: be an all time great. His named Lebron. James Like cool,

1298
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 3: So I go give him the award and I'm like, man,

1299
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 3: this NBA stuff. Man, go go get an education, man, like,

1300
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 3: go to college, get an education. And then I come

1301
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 3: back and I talked to management at the end of

1302
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 3: the season, and John Lucas was already like, man, you

1303
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 3: should just ask for a trade because they gonna tank

1304
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 3: the season.

1305
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, tank the season.

1306
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 3: So I'll ask for a trade, and I got traded

1307
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 3: to the Clippers. Now I come home and the Clippers.

1308
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 3: This was like the year before there was the Knuckleheads,

1309
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 3: Darius and Quinton, and then so Darius go to Cleveland.

1310
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 3: I come to LA and you know, I wish I

1311
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 3: could have I mean, it was the home team. I

1312
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 3: wish I would have been on the Lakers.

1313
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: Or something, you know.

1314
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 3: But I come to the Clippers and it was a

1315
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 3: great team because I link up with Elton, Corey mcghetty.

1316
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: Lamar and then I'm back home.

1317
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 7: Man.

1318
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 2: So it was it was tough.

1319
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 3: It was tough to concentrate, you know, but I was able,

1320
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 3: you know, for my friends and family to see me

1321
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 3: as a hometown kid, to come support me. Man.

1322
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 2: It was you know, I bought a lot of tickets.

1323
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: Man, you understand, that's a lot of tickets, man, Like

1324
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: one hundred tickets, man like for free.

1325
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 3: People don't understand that, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1326
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 3: oh man, I need every game, every game, every home game,

1327
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And the people that didn't

1328
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 3: get the text message, you know, they'll pop up to

1329
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 3: the arena Staples Center, Here come the ball with Millie.

1330
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 3: You got like ten people out there waiting for tickets.

1331
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. But it was it was

1332
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: a great experience.

1333
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 4: Man.

1334
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 3: I came home, played in front of family and friends

1335
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 3: for that one year, and I got I got a

1336
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 3: bout of LA do it, and I went straight to

1337
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 3: Denver where Carmela was.

1338
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: At talk to me about coming to LA and then

1339
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: your practice facility at Southwest Community College.

1340
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 3: Look man, like, you know it was the NBA at

1341
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 3: the time, you know, so for me, it was right

1342
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 3: down the street.

1343
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 2: I actually went to the school right next door.

1344
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 3: I went to Kabrini San Francis Cabrini from kindergarten to

1345
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 3: fourth grade.

1346
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 2: So I went to that, that Catholic school for four years.

1347
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 3: But as soon as I came home and I'm like,

1348
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 3: hold up, we practicing that Southwest College and back then

1349
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 3: we was already.

1350
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 2: Scared to go right there because everybody used to say,

1351
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: that's the earthquake fault.

1352
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: Okay, this this shit gonna fall because it's a major

1353
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 3: earthquake fault. And then we had to go down to

1354
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 3: the little I don't know if you remember it like

1355
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: a little locker room. It was like it was like

1356
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 3: little mice in there, and I'm like, man like, and

1357
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 3: then the ball guys would like just throw all our stuff.

1358
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 3: We had to find our practice gear, man like. It

1359
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 3: wasn't in no net bags or nothing like.

1360
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 2: Just just grab starting all my home was practice, man,

1361
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: but it was it was what it was.

1362
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: Off to Denver six years fifty five million, played with

1363
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: the Young Mellow. We talked about this team already, but

1364
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: just change of scenery, different coach, young talented team. Favorite

1365
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: part about that Denver team.

1366
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 3: The favorite part about the Denver team was gambling, gambling

1367
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 3: and hanging out and just I mean like it was

1368
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 3: probably the most competitive team that I was on. It

1369
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 3: was the most like and I'm talking about practice like.

1370
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 3: And we had this trainer, Steve hess We got Steve

1371
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 3: hess Man. We would get together in the summertime. He'd

1372
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 3: take us running up in the hills and stuff. The

1373
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 3: Red Rocks, the Red Rocks man, and we was just

1374
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 3: we was young man, you know. We had a good

1375
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 3: coach and Jeff Buzzellik, who like some guys didn't really like,

1376
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 3: he was actually one of my favorite coaches. And then

1377
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 3: of course George was doing ESPN at the time, so

1378
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 3: he was like, you know, throwing all of us.

1379
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: Under the bus, like this team is immature.

1380
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 3: And then when they fired I think it was Jeff Bozelic.

1381
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 3: Then we had Michael Cooper lasted for like two weeks

1382
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 3: the coach. Yeah, Coop came in for like two weeks

1383
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 3: and then they let Cooper go and then George Carr

1384
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 3: got the job. And then that's when we won like

1385
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 3: thirty something games and went to the playoffs.

1386
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: And then that you know, if you guys could have

1387
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: kept that court together, how good that team could have been.

1388
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 2: The Cord did stay together.

1389
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 3: I was the one that got shipped out, you know,

1390
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 3: I got shipped out for Ai.

1391
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: Yeah what was that?

1392
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 4: Like?

1393
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 2: I was mad.

1394
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 3: I was mad because you know, George was asking me

1395
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 3: to do so much as a point guard, you know,

1396
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 3: like because he couldn't he couldn't communicate with them, Like

1397
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 3: what you're gonna say to Kenyon if you don't want

1398
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 3: to practice to day, like you know Marcus Camby defensive

1399
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 3: player of the year, like and you complaining about him

1400
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,919
Speaker 3: shooting this jump shot. So I ain't practicing the day

1401
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 3: Like okay, Andre, I want you to go talk to him.

1402
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 3: What you want me to say? So I ended up

1403
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 3: being the one that was shipped out for AI and yeah,

1404
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 3: I had to leave leave it everything behind, and you know,

1405
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 3: and we was I mean at that time the first year,

1406
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 3: we lost to I think Minnesota, San Antonio and the

1407
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 3: Clippers in the playoffs, so they felt there was a

1408
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 3: time to upgrade.

1409
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 2: So I got traded for Alan Iverson.

1410
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 3: And Philly was trash, trash over Philly, So I went

1411
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 3: over Yeah, mo Chieks was a coach and I get

1412
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 3: over there. Man, I was so, I was so hurt.

1413
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 3: I like it was the first time I actually talked

1414
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 3: in the locker room. I was like, man, I didn't come.

1415
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 2: Over here to lose, man.

1416
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,479
Speaker 3: And what was crazy was that year if they would

1417
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 3: have lost all those games, they probably would have drafted

1418
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant. We ended up winning a whole bunch of

1419
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 3: games when I got over there. But if they lose

1420
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 3: on that pace that they was with with AI. That's

1421
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 3: the year Greg Oden came out. That's the year Kevin

1422
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 3: Durant came out. Y'all would have had top three, top

1423
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 3: five pick man. I'm not trying to lose man. And

1424
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 3: you know Eagle Dollar, Young, Lewis Williams, Willy Green.

1425
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 2: Kyle Korver Man.

1426
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 3: I had fun over there there, Dallon, Bear, Reggie Evans.

1427
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 3: As soon as I got traded from Denver to Philly,

1428
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 3: Reggie was in Denver. I told h who's the GM

1429
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 3: billy king. I said, look here, man, go get this

1430
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 3: strong dude from Denver. Man like we need some need

1431
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 3: somebody to back him. They went and got Reggie Evans.

1432
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 3: And then the next year Elton Brand came from Clippers.

1433
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 3: So it was I had fun and I had That

1434
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,959
Speaker 3: was one of my fun times to be around Eagle

1435
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 3: Dillard and Louis Williams, you know, because I saw, like

1436
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 3: Alan Irverson all in him.

1437
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 2: Let me give him the ball because he could go bucket,

1438
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 2: you know. So I have fun on that team.

1439
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: Back to Denver eleven and thirteen, Gallinari, Tylaws and Free

1440
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: Javelle McGee a little different senor, but franchise record fifty

1441
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: seven wins. You guys run into a young Golden State

1442
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: Warriors team with Steph Curry. That a picture right there.

1443
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: What you think?

1444
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 2: Back up? Back up, that's when he was a baby.

1445
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 2: For his ankles was hurting at the time too. Yeah,

1446
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: bad ankles.

1447
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 3: I was like, look here, man, But what's crazy is

1448
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 3: I felt that team that we had in Denver was

1449
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 3: probably the best team.

1450
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 1: Really.

1451
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1452
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 3: But George carl Man, he was practicing us so hard

1453
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 3: for like six months man. And and right before the

1454
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 3: playoffs started, Gallinori tours acl and Gallinari was our best player.

1455
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 3: Gallo was our best player. Gotta be sixty eleven. I'm

1456
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 3: seeing him going ahead over Kevin Durant. And right before

1457
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 3: the playoff start, I told George crad was like, look here, man, like.

1458
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 2: These guys' bodies are tired. We gotta get working. We

1459
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: played the Dallas Mavericks and Denver.

1460
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 3: Gallo blow out his knee, and we gotta go play

1461
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 3: these dudes because I.

1462
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 2: Think we was like a two or three seed and

1463
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 2: they was like a sixth seed. Man. That's when I

1464
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 2: knew him and Clay.

1465
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 3: Like that ball was just going through the hoop different,

1466
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 3: like like you know, like it wasn't like I know shooter,

1467
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 3: we know shooters Ray Allen Stojakovic. But the way they

1468
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 3: ball went through the basket was it didn't even hit

1469
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 3: the net. And I knew, you know, I was so

1470
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 3: upset because I felt we could beat them, and you know,

1471
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 3: we had a nice squad. But that kid, that kid

1472
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 3: he different, like all I didn't even guard him no more.

1473
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 2: Let me go guard Jared Jack or something.

1474
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 3: You know, like you know, all of them was good,

1475
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 3: but this guy right here, like I think I might

1476
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 3: be like thirty years old right there, so.

1477
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: Old school. Oh yeah, they a good question.

1478
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 3: Well always got joked on because of my shoe contracts.

1479
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 3: You know, it was like converts than a Didas. And

1480
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 3: you know they always snatched my shoes and throw them

1481
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 3: around the locker round.

1482
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 2: And stuff like that. You know, I just like, you know, because.

1483
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 3: My shoes was ugly man like everybody like you know,

1484
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 3: so like I had to put my little swag to

1485
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:55,919
Speaker 3: my my shoes. I got t because yeah, I tied

1486
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 3: my laces behind my back and they're like, dre what

1487
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 3: you doing? You know, But it's something that I that

1488
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 3: was my superstition. You know, I never wored tape. I

1489
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 3: had my ankle brace at the old school ones that

1490
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 3: lace up.

1491
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 2: I laced them up. Ship out my shoes.

1492
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: He used to make both sides touch no not.

1493
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 4: No, no.

1494
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 2: What's crazy was my shoes. I kept them loose.

1495
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 3: I kept them loose, you know, because I could, you know,

1496
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 3: kick them off. But it was like the laser still

1497
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 3: tied up.

1498
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 4: You know.

1499
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 2: That was my superstition though, And I used to get

1500
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 2: joked on about that.

1501
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, quick hitters man. First thing, the kind of mind,

1502
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: let us know one album you could listen to with

1503
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: no skips.

1504
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 2: I don't even be listening to music like that.

1505
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 3: I don't like like I'm an old school dude, Like

1506
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 3: maybe like Tupac.

1507
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 2: Maybe like one of them. Macavelliy's one of those.

1508
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: Top five point guards of all time in your opinion.

1509
01:05:53,400 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 3: Magic Isaiah Stockton, J kidd, I didn't see Oscar Robinson play.

1510
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: What about steph CP and e of them dues from

1511
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: the modern Area?

1512
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 4: You all?

1513
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 2: I was a Steve Nash fan.

1514
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 3: Okay, I was a Steve Nash fan, because I mean,

1515
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 3: who shoots ninety fifty forty?

1516
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1517
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 3: I was a Steve Nash fan, but I mean you

1518
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 3: got Steph. You gotta put Steph in there, you know, Isaiah, Steph, Magic,

1519
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 3: Stockton and Kid Dream.

1520
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: Pick and roll partner from past or present.

1521
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 2: Nay Nay, LaMarcus Audrich.

1522
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 3: I like Elton Brand too, but as far as like

1523
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 3: I know, when they shoot the ball, it's gonna go

1524
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,959
Speaker 3: in LaMarcus Audrich. And then like Nay Name, y'all played

1525
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 3: against Ny Name. It was like, as soon as you

1526
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 3: give me the ball, he's like, you know his his

1527
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 3: thumbs look like fingers.

1528
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:47,439
Speaker 1: Guard your chest.

1529
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeaes thumbs look like fingers like for real.

1530
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 1: Though, favorite person to throw a live too.

1531
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 3: Eagle Dollar, he used to go get him, Ego Dollar,

1532
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 3: Van Horn. Those are my favorite guys that throw lives too,

1533
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 3: can Bey cause you know, like we used to just run, y'all.

1534
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 3: No floppy can be like it was nothing like it

1535
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 3: was automatic Cany, Eager Dollar and Van Horns.

1536
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 2: Man, they I don't know why. Man he was blocking.

1537
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 2: Send him back, Send him this way, Scriller, simm this way, Scriller.

1538
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: Top five La Hoopers of all time. In your opinion,

1539
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: it's just too many.

1540
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,439
Speaker 3: Give me your era on my era, Like I gotta

1541
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 3: give a shout out to Raymond Lewis.

1542
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1543
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Dennis Johnson, Yeah, I was a fan of Ricky Price.

1544
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 3: Ricky Price man like Ricky Price in high school. Man,

1545
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 3: I thought, like we like how you get the duke man,

1546
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 3: like kids from LA get scholarships to duke Like Ricky

1547
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 3: Price was like that in high school.

1548
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just called count Southern California. I don't

1549
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 2: know who else. Paul Man, Paul, you gotta put Paul,

1550
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 2: You gotta put Paul.

1551
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 3: You got Tayshawn Prince, that other that other guy. He

1552
01:07:57,880 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 3: was like the Lebron.

1553
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 2: I didn't really know him. Him and he from He's

1554
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 2: from l A.

1555
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 3: Shae Cotton, Tayshaun Prince, Bearing Man, so many dudes, Man.

1556
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 2: Russell Westbrook, James Harden Man. This goes on and on.

1557
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: Guilty pleasure, guilty pleasure that you could that you could

1558
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: speak on.

1559
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 2: I mean like.

1560
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 3: Man, chocolate, okay, candy Man, Candy Man. I'm gonna tell

1561
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 3: you a story, man. You know, I like, I'm playing

1562
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 3: in Portland, man and me and my woman we go

1563
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 3: the day before the game. It was a chocolate like

1564
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 3: a convention and like the you know, like conventions is huge,

1565
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 3: so it was just unlimited chocolate, man, and it was heaven.

1566
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 3: The day before the game, Man, I'm just in there

1567
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 3: eating all kinds of chocolate.

1568
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 2: Different stations and stuff.

1569
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 3: And I forgot who he was playing the next day,

1570
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 3: but I could feel it coming.

1571
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 2: I just overdosed on chocolate.

1572
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 3: And the game starts, man, And the first trip up

1573
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,799
Speaker 3: and down the court, I literally ran off the court

1574
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 3: and I had.

1575
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 2: To go to the emergency room.

1576
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 4: Really.

1577
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, they put me to sleep, man, the stomach they morphee.

1578
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:11,759
Speaker 3: They put me to sleep for like two.

1579
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: Days because you ate so much chocolate.

1580
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 3: I ate so much chocolate, Man, I overdose, man like

1581
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,759
Speaker 3: like I ate like like literally like I had.

1582
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 2: Food poisoning everything.

1583
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 3: Like, Man, I literally ran straight to the shower like

1584
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 3: they was looking for me.

1585
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 2: They had to bring like it was the first time

1586
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 2: I had been on the stretcher.

1587
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

1588
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1589
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 3: They got me up out there, you know, like took

1590
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 3: me straight to the emergency room and for too much

1591
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 3: they yeah, too much chocolate, man, Wow.

1592
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chocky got be careful.

1593
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: That chocolate if they ever come back with Willy Wonka.

1594
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, like man, yeah, yeah, yeah, I ate like all

1595
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 3: types of chocolate, peanut, chocolate, caramel.

1596
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 2: I don't like what's that other where it got mint

1597
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 2: chocolate every year, favor, Yeah, yeah, and yeah. I was

1598
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 2: right there in the emergency room.

1599
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: Funnest teammate in your career college or pros.

1600
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 2: Eiga Dollar was funny. Reggie Evans was funny.

1601
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: Lamar Oldham classic Lamar Oldham.

1602
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 4: You don't even try to be.

1603
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 3: Somebody with an accent. A country dude with an accent. Man,

1604
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 3: them dudes is always funny.

1605
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: Like he was, like, you know, used to talk so much,

1606
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: ship bro. He told us that, but he he used

1607
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: to talk, so.

1608
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 3: He might be one of the funniest dudes. I couldn't

1609
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 3: even pay attention around him.

1610
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: Last question, One person you would like to see on

1611
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: the show.

1612
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 3: I like the humble guys, you know, like you know,

1613
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 3: I watch you guys show more than anything and more

1614
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 3: than anything, man, I want.

1615
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 2: To see Tayshawn Prince trying to get I want to.

1616
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:45,959
Speaker 3: Prince because he's one of He's one of the quiet,

1617
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 3: like one of the quiet l a guys that you

1618
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 3: like people be saying, I'm mysterious, like where you be

1619
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 3: at dre like Tayshawan, where you at Come.

1620
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 1: Come was our class.

1621
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 3: Entertain Man, super super cool dude. Man right, dude, super

1622
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,839
Speaker 3: cool dude. So I'm a fan of Tayshawn Prince.

1623
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: That's a good call because I've been I've been on

1624
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:10,799
Speaker 1: you too, so big brother.

1625
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:12,600
Speaker 2: I don't want to see tail Man. Yeah, I'm a

1626
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 2: big fan.

1627
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: Of he dre Man. I appreciate your time. One of

1628
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 1: the best point guards I didn't played against in my time.

1629
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: And I love the fact that you may not have

1630
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: got the recognition in the league, but the players always

1631
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: gave you your respect and spoke so highly of you, and

1632
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 1: I know that's important.

1633
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 3: That's all that matters. You know, your peers fact you

1634
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 3: know because it was hard. So thank you for having me.

1635
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 4: That's a wrap.

1636
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: Andre Miller, all the smoke you can catch us and

1637
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: all the Smoke productions YouTube and the Draft Kings Network.

1638
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 4: See y'all next week.

1639
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm

1640
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 7: Fi