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Speaker 1: Yep, we are live as live can be. Late Kick

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Speaker 1: is Live. It is Thursday night, January eleventh.

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Speaker 2: The of our lower twenty twenty four are gonna be

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Speaker 2: a difficult time for us tonight, and I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 2: you why. We've got a coaching search going on at Alabama.

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Speaker 2: As we speak, I have got the eye Josh blowing up.

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Speaker 1: We got people all over this.

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Speaker 2: Just because we don't baselessly speculate on this show does

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Speaker 2: not mean we are not well sourced. And I have

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Speaker 2: it on good authority that even within the past fifteen minutes, friends,

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Speaker 2: there's been some good old fashioned private jet black suv

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Speaker 1: We're on it. Don't worry, We're on it.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have the latest on the Alabama coaching search,

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Speaker 2: but I'm not leading the show with it tonight. We

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Speaker 2: made an executive decision about an hour ago because frankly,

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Speaker 2: something could happen during this show. So with that in mind,

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Speaker 2: let's dive into what else we're talking about. Yes, we've

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Speaker 2: got a coaching search. Yes, Nick Saban has retired yet

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Speaker 2: still came into work today when half the sport's on vacation.

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Speaker 2: Because of course he did. I've got to talk to

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Speaker 2: you about who was the face of college football. It's

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Speaker 2: been him for a long time. Wooms To will be

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Speaker 2: the face of college football. Of course, Saban's not going

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Speaker 2: anywhere in terms of his visibility, but a new head

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Speaker 2: coach is eventually going to emerge.

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Speaker 1: Here are they are? We'll see. I'm asking myself as

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Speaker 2: Dan Lanning took his flag and just planted it in

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Speaker 2: the chests of many, many people earlier this morning. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: jam pack show tonight, So they're watching us in Marble Falls, Texas,

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Speaker 2: mauled in South Carolina, Hillsboro, Oregon, San Diego, California. Like

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Speaker 2: I said, guys, we're live. It's like Monday night raw

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Speaker 2: late nineties. Anything could happen when you're live. But we

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Speaker 2: the ground in Tuscaloosa. And I'm going to talk about

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Speaker 2: that coaching search we or the other in this show

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Speaker 2: before we go off air.

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Speaker 1: But might we have breaking news when I know you'll know.

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Speaker 2: Nick Saban's first day of retirement involved him coming into

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Speaker 2: the office at seven twenty am this morning and spending

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Speaker 2: most of the day there. You might say that sounds

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Speaker 2: like work. I didn't expect anything less from him. It's

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Speaker 2: been a surreal day. It's been the kind of day

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Speaker 2: we would normally get in the sporting world if you

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Speaker 2: were memorializing someone, you know, after they pass away. That's

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Speaker 2: the way people have talked about Saban, Colin, and Jesse.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think about this, but I assume you guys saw,

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Speaker 2: just like I did, the Sabin statue outside of Bryant

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Speaker 1: And then there were flowers, There were we'll miss you notes.

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Speaker 2: There were all kinds of momentoes of varying sizes and

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Speaker 2: varying degrees below there. Someone left a full red velvet cake.

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Speaker 2: Someone left a bag of ice. I can only assume

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Speaker 2: these mean things to these people. But the top it

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Speaker 2: all off Nick Saban's hands right there holding a Git

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Speaker 2: Well Soon balloon, I guess. In semi related news, it

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Speaker 2: should be noted that Saban had to sit down interview

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Speaker 1: I'm good. Miss Terry's good.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think that I can do it at

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Speaker 2: would encourage you guys to go listen to that full

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Speaker 2: I believe, on the ESPN College Football YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: But in the.

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Speaker 2: Meantime, his day today was pretty surreal. But his day

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Speaker 1: He put it kind of like this. Saban came in

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Speaker 2: More work today as a retiree than most coaches in

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Speaker 2: As Saban said, what am I going to do now

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Speaker 1: They didn't. He did until the week of until the

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Speaker 1: He didn't know. No one knew. You don't always have

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Speaker 2: The guy had a normal work day leading up to

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Speaker 2: You cannot overstate the impact he had when he walked

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of you have grown up on him.

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of you have come to know

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Speaker 2: Alabama football Nick Saban synonymously, and a lot of you

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Speaker 2: a terrible thing for Alabama. Things could have been so, so,

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Speaker 2: so much worse for them. And I'm not talking about

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Speaker 2: a world where you didn't land Saban. No, in the

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Speaker 2: just seen grainy new use video from Tuscaloosa Airport, and

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Speaker 2: you've seen newspaper clippings, and of course you've watched Saban's career.

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Speaker 2: January third, two thousand and seven was like the Saint

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Speaker 2: it was a defense mechanism because the day Malmore announced

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Speaker 2: the game had changed.

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Speaker 2: Media everybody knew the game it changed, and it was

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Speaker 2: Was he redefined the standard that it takes to operate

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Speaker 1: So yes, everyone.

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Speaker 2: No one has their story of how they viewed Saban

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Speaker 2: I remember growing up and learning about Joe Paterno and

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Speaker 2: My ten year old mind didn't know how to process

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Speaker 2: Bobby Bowden saying immense respect for the guy. Couldn't respect

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Speaker 2: Bobby Bowden anymore than I do. But the same happened there.

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Speaker 2: That's normal when you become an icon, when you become

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Speaker 2: No one else is going to do it for you.

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Speaker 2: That's the way it could have happened with Nick Saban.

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Speaker 2: I want you to consider that football was this guy's

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Speaker 2: moving forward. If you're Alabama, you get all the positives

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Speaker 2: be handed over to whoever comes in and takes his place.

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Speaker 2: A lot of folks out there saying who wants to

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Speaker 2: take a legend's place? That has nothing to do with

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Speaker 2: it is so misguided. It's a total beta mentality. That's

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Speaker 2: why Apple invented the cat emoji for people who think

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Speaker 2: are I'll go in there and win just like he did.

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Speaker 2: May not match him, but I don't need to. You

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Speaker 2: realize we just saw Nick Saban, Bill Belichick, and Pete

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Speaker 2: Carroll call it quits in the span of twenty four

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Speaker 2: thirty six hours. Do you realize that's a thirty for thirty.

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Speaker 2: The fine folks at esp and just had a documentary

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Speaker 2: memories from Saving Today and there was one that I

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Speaker 2: do with may be my favorite game to witness in

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Speaker 2: his career And it wasn't even a national championship game.

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Speaker 2: And I was on the field for that second and

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Speaker 2: the next year SEC championship game and everyone's a year

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Speaker 2: removed from watching Jalen Hurts take that team to the brink,

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Speaker 2: If you're head coach at Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Ohio State

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Speaker 2: about that statement I just made there, and they're doubting because, well.

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Speaker 1: What's he won? Really, what's he won? Josh? And my

436
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Speaker 1: answer is, well, a bunch of football games.

437
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Speaker 2: Hasn't won a national championship, hasn't won a playoff game,

438
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Speaker 2: hasn't been to the playoff. It's been two years, where

439
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Speaker 2: we're a lot of these other ultra successful head coaches

440
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Speaker 2: two years into their program.

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: The important part, and frankly, one of the reasons he's

443
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Speaker 2: on this list has a lot to do with what

444
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Speaker 2: he's done the last twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: You know, this program, Oregon is good.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the program is fully realized what it's

447
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Speaker 2: capable of, and I think you may have the guy

448
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Speaker 2: there in the head coach's chair that helps it realize

449
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Speaker 2: and helps it become what it could fully become.

450
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Speaker 1: Chip Kelly did immense work on that front.

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Speaker 2: Once upon a time, Dan Lanning could finish what Chip

452
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Speaker 2: Kelly kind of started.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 2: There are a few coaches in between them that we

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Speaker 2: shan't speak of, but Lanning this morning said some things.

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Speaker 2: Lanning's actions recently have indicated some things about Oregon that

457
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Speaker 2: previously we would not have bought about Oregon. You would

458
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Speaker 2: never have bought that Oregon is a premier destination job.

459
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Speaker 2: You would have bought that it's a really good job.

460
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Speaker 2: You would not have bought that a guy would turn

461
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Speaker 2: down premier opportunities to stay at Oregon. But now you

462
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Speaker 2: have to cuss. One of them has his name's Dan Landing.

463
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Speaker 2: And if he elevates and starts winning in those premier spots,

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Speaker 2: conference championship playoff, et cetera, which I have no doubt

465
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Speaker 2: he will, in time, he's going to be a face

466
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Speaker 2: of the sport. And that's a Big ten program. Now,

467
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Speaker 2: I mean Oregon and Washington both Big ten programs. I'll

468
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Speaker 2: tell you another one while we're on the subject of younger,

469
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Speaker 2: newer head coaches. Marcus Freeman could be this. Marcus Freeman

470
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Speaker 2: could absolutely be one of the faces of college football.

471
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Speaker 2: Remember you know, when Notre Dame had Brian Kelly, it

472
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Speaker 2: was a really good program, really really good, and there

473
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Speaker 2: were a lot of folks out there who wanted to

474
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Speaker 2: call him and it overrated. And I always had fun

475
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Speaker 2: with that because my question always in retort to that

476
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Speaker 2: accusation is what are they raided? And inevitably it would

477
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Speaker 2: lead to me having to point out, oh, so you're

478
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Speaker 2: telling me they lose to the teams that are ranked

479
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Speaker 2: ahead of them. They beat the teams that are ranked

480
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Speaker 2: behind them, which means they're perfectly rated, right Ah, as

481
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Speaker 2: yell at you.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 2: Marcus Freeman when he took over, started to get a

484
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Speaker 2: little bit of the drum beat from South Bend that yeah,

485
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Speaker 2: we didn't hate Brian Kelly or anything like that. But

486
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Speaker 2: Brian Kelly always looked at himself as being just as

487
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Speaker 2: big a blessing to Notre Dame as Notre Dame was

488
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Speaker 2: to him and Lou Holtz, who always has something to

489
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Speaker 2: say about other coaches, Lou Holtz also was on record

490
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Speaker 2: to say, you know, there's a little something different you

491
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Speaker 2: need to have about yourself and your perspective to be

492
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Speaker 2: the head coach at Notre Dame, and Brian Kelly never

493
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Speaker 2: really had that. He was a good enough coach where

494
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Speaker 2: his merit stood on its own, but never really embraced

495
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Speaker 2: what it.

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Speaker 1: Was to be the head coach at Notre Dame. Well,

497
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Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman did.

498
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Speaker 2: Marcus Freeman had options and he chose Notre Dame and

499
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Speaker 2: it meant a lot to those people and it still does.

500
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Speaker 2: And Marcus Freeman is about as good as showman as

501
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Speaker 2: we have in the sport, which means nothing when it

502
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Speaker 2: comes to ex's and o's when it comes to implementing

503
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: a plan, building an organization. But I think he can

504
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: do all those things too. I think above and beyond

505
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 2: that and more and more as he gets into his career,

506
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 2: the opportunities are going to be there because of how

507
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Speaker 2: premiere that brand is and how charismatic he is to

508
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 2: be one of the faces of college football. And you

509
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Speaker 2: know the last one I put on the list that

510
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 2: got a lot of pushback within the office today. Normally

511
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Speaker 2: that just means Jesse, I put Daboswiney on the list.

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Speaker 1: Do you disagree?

513
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Speaker 2: I think many of you probably do. Here's what I'm thinking.

514
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: This is not a guarantee. It's not me saying, hey,

515
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 2: six for six here like these are going to be

516
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: the faces of college football. I'm talking about guys who

517
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: have the opportunity to so. Dabo's been in the mountaintop

518
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Speaker 2: a couple of times already. He became one of the

519
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Speaker 2: faces of college football. I'm not saying that they erased

520
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 2: him off the rushmore or anything like that, but Clemson

521
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Speaker 2: as a program is taking a couple of steps back.

522
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Speaker 2: I think Dabo's appeal, therefore, has taken a couple of

523
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Speaker 2: steps back. People have doubts as to whether he's totally

524
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Speaker 2: with all of the talent acquisition mechanisms that are afforded

525
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Speaker 2: to you in today's game. Count me among them. I

526
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Speaker 2: have doubts about that. This is not one of those

527
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Speaker 2: people are saying moments. I'm the people I think that.

528
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Speaker 2: I also have a mense respect for him. But at

529
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Speaker 2: the same time, let's just say, Dabo hoists a couple

530
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Speaker 2: of those national championship trophies in one era of college football,

531
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Speaker 2: and then he's a little bit slow to adjust to

532
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Speaker 2: the changes. Totally understandable. He's a little bit slow to

533
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Speaker 2: come off the principles and values that got him to

534
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Speaker 2: the mountaintop a couple of times.

535
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Speaker 1: Again, totally understandable.

536
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Speaker 2: But then let's say, and this is futuristic, Okay, Let's

537
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Speaker 2: say Dabo decides this year, next year, two years down

538
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Speaker 2: the road, he's reinventing his program. So, in other words,

539
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: ten years down the road, you look back in history,

540
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 2: shows you what Dabo one point zero was, then Dabo

541
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Speaker 2: two point zero, which we haven't seen yet. There is

542
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Speaker 2: a world where that happens. There is a world where

543
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Speaker 2: also Dabbo's the head coach at Clemson during a time

544
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Speaker 2: of great transition within his conference, the program Florida State

545
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Speaker 2: could say the same thing about Norvell whether he is

546
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Speaker 2: the head coach FSU tomorrow or not, who knows, But

547
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 2: you could say the same thing about a number of

548
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 2: those programs. Christ of all at Miami, you could say

549
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 2: the same thing about him. But Dabo has already done

550
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Speaker 2: it a couple of times at the highest level. If

551
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Speaker 2: he re emerges and does it again, but doing it

552
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Speaker 2: in a more modernized fashion, if he embraces some of

553
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: the things he resisted, Dabo's not short for commentary. Even

554
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: when he tries to shy away from it, he still

555
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: ends up leaning into it. That's the very definition, that's

556
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Speaker 2: the formula for being one of the faces of college football.

557
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Speaker 2: So no, I'm not telling you we're about to have

558
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Speaker 2: another Nick Saban. None of those guys are filling those

559
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Speaker 2: shoes anytime soon. What I am saying is there's a

560
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Speaker 2: massive vacuum that is left when a giant like Nick

561
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Speaker 2: Saban walks out the door, and people are going to

562
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Speaker 2: be looking up, down, left, and right for someone to

563
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Speaker 2: fill it. Maybe a few someones to fill it. Those

564
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Speaker 2: guys have opportunity, and hey, if you're not sold on

565
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Speaker 2: it already, there's a lot of money to be made.

566
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of money on the periphery to be

567
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Speaker 2: made when you are the face of something as big

568
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Speaker 2: as college football. I would love to think one day,

569
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Speaker 2: if we keep working really hard and hammering the message home,

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Speaker 2: Lake Kick could be one of the faces of Academy

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Speaker 2: Sports and Outdoors.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how much money's on the periphery for

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Speaker 2: that particular thing, but there would be an immense amount

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Speaker 2: of pride. Academy Sports and Outdoors is your one stop

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Speaker 2: why don't you say this show's free when you run

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581
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Speaker 2: So anyway, for the ninety nine point nine percent of

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Speaker 2: you out there who do understand it, thank them. Academy

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Speaker 2: Live tonight, pay me nineteen ninety nine a month. I

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Speaker 2: Fortunately we don't have to do that because Academy steps up.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Jesse.

602
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Speaker 2: Colin, was this the point in the show where I

603
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Speaker 2: said I wanted to talk about landing?

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Speaker 1: It is? Okay? Good and just out of curiosity.

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Speaker 2: Jesse, since we're having a one way conversation in my

606
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Speaker 2: ear right now.

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Speaker 1: Do we have any breaking news out of Alabama that

608
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Speaker 1: you know of? Not yet? Huh, Jesse? Would you like

609
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Speaker 1: to know what someone just texted me from Alabama? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not telling you yet cause I want you

611
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Speaker 2: to be totally in the dark in there. We're waiting

612
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: as long as we can into the show before we

613
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Speaker 2: break down the Alabama coaching intel, because I am terrified

614
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Speaker 2: that news is gonna break woms to amongst us knows

615
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Speaker 2: maybe we're the ones to break it. But in the meantime, Colin,

616
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Speaker 2: here's your endpoint. Twenty four hours ago, Dan Lanning was

617
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Speaker 2: the focus of everybody's coaching search hotboard for Alabama and

618
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: he didn't belong on there. And when we went live

619
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Speaker 2: last night, you notice conspicuous in his absence was any

620
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Speaker 2: mention of Dan Lanning on our show. There was a

621
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Speaker 2: reason for that, and since then you have found out.

622
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Speaker 2: So the past twenty four hours were kind of wild

623
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Speaker 2: for Landing, but they really shouldn't have been this time.

624
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Speaker 2: Last night there were reports that he was in Tuscaloosa, Alabama.

625
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Speaker 2: They were never true, so why we didn't discuss him.

626
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Speaker 2: He was silent last night, which led to more speculation

627
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: that there has to be something to it. People who

628
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Speaker 2: actually did their jobs, people who actually did what we

629
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: call worthwhile due diligence. Sought out legit sources and found

630
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Speaker 2: out you cannot confirm that Landing's in Tuscaloosa, and there's

631
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Speaker 2: a good reason for that. He was never in Tuscaloosa,

632
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: had't been there this week, last week, week before last,

633
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Speaker 2: and then this morning, like Macho man Randy Savage before him,

634
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Speaker 2: Landing didn't climb to the first or second rope. He

635
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: climbed to the top rope and he dropped the elbow

636
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Speaker 2: on everyone. And he released a video for the ages,

637
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Speaker 2: and it was a video of him meeting with his team,

638
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Speaker 2: and then it was a video of him talking about

639
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Speaker 2: commitment and talking about how bought in he is to Oregon,

640
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: and there was the text on the screen, just iconic

641
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: moment that said, if you're scared of your head, coach Leavin,

642
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: come play for us. If you're scared of that, come

643
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Speaker 2: to a place where you don't need to be scared

644
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Speaker 2: of it. Basically, I'm not going anywhere. He had his

645
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Speaker 2: Leo Wolfe of Wall Street moment, I'm not going anywhere,

646
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Speaker 2: and then a lot of people were made fools of

647
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Speaker 2: who claimed he was in Tuscaloosa last night. So if

648
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Speaker 2: you're scared your coach is leaving, then come play for us.

649
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: There's the message there. I think I think this is

650
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Speaker 2: the most important period in the history of Oregon football

651
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: because what's happening here is you're climbing to a wrung

652
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: you've never climbed to as a program before. Never in

653
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: the history of Oregon football has a guy with premier

654
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: options chosen Oregon. Never in the history of this sport

655
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: has a guy with premier options. I'm talking about the

656
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: best of the best in the history of this game.

657
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: As an option said I'm choosing Oregon, and especially I'm

658
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: staying at Oregon. You guys have seen him walk out

659
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: the door before. Who knows, maybe that led you to

660
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: the moment you've always been waiting on. You just didn't

661
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: know it at the time. I remember a few years ago,

662
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: remember when Mario was up there and Mario Christbaul when

663
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: he hit the exit door to go to Miami, it

664
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: was kind of understandable. Miami is a unique situation, so

665
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: it's not that he didn't love it there, but you know,

666
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: when Mama calls, as Bear Bryant once famously said, you

667
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: got to go home, So Mario goes home.

668
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: But it left a lot of people there really dejected.

669
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: It left a lot of people wondering, are we just

670
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: always going to be a stepping stone of a program?

671
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: And I think that that was the moment that precipitated

672
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: a lot of very necessary evolution within that program, that

673
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: athletic department, and they got really serious about that never

674
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: happening again. And what they did in the short term

675
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: was they went and hired Dan Lanning, who was a

676
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: coordinator and never been a head coach of Dana's life.

677
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: And so in the short term everyone wondered is he

678
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: the right hire? But in the immediacy and then long term,

679
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: what they decided is we're going to leverage every ounce

680
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: of what is Oregon to make the job of head

681
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: coach here a unique proposition that you can't walk away from.

682
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: And they have, like everyone's always said, ooh, Oregon's got Nike,

683
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: and Oregon finally looked in the mirror and said, you

684
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: better believe we got Nike and we're about to use it.

685
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: They've done it in recruiting, but they've also now done

686
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: it in retaining head coaching talent. Landing's an assassin. Okay,

687
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: Landing's one of the most intense individuals in all of

688
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: college football. And when he was quiet last night, a

689
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: lot of people took that to me, There's no way

690
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: this guy's going to be quiet about all these rumors.

691
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: Know what they are as strategic at Oregon, like there

692
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: is front facing, there's forward leaning in their messaging, as

693
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: pretty much any program out there, and so it made

694
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: perfect sense when he didn't release a statement, he didn't

695
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: have a press conference. They had their graphics team, they

696
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: had their media team put out the message for him.

697
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: He just retweets it. He just puts out the video

698
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: brilliantly done. He turned rumors into a recruiting pitch and

699
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: probably the best one they've produced so far. And then

700
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: he got the entire country this show included to echo

701
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: it and to distribute it for him. Who's done that?

702
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: Who's doing that right now? Well, someone in high demand,

703
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: and Dan Lanning is in high demand. But I talked

704
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: about him a second ago in the intensity. There's some

705
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: people having a little fun at Oregon's expense right now

706
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: because they went over to against Washington this year, hadn't

707
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: won that big conference championship, hadn't gone to the playoff yet.

708
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: Like he's been there a decade or something. Those dude's

709
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: been there twenty four months, a little over twenty four months.

710
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 2: I am telling you pretty confidently. I'm telling you that

711
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: that stuff, when it's thrown out there, I'm sure that

712
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: that would dissuade a lot of people. Like if they

713
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: failed a couple of times on a high profile stage

714
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: and then people threw shots at him and made.

715
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: Fun at him.

716
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that would impact a lot of people. You

717
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 2: are shooting a be begun at a freight train, if

718
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: you guys think that's going to impact Oregon and the

719
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: trajectory of that program at all. All they did was

720
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: put the gas even further down on the floorboard. All

721
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: they did was go take two of the best quarterbacks

722
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: in the country out of the portal. I mean, UCLA's

723
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: starting quarterback and Oklahoma starting quarterback both said you want

724
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: to go up there.

725
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll both go up there. Only one of us

726
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: can play at the time.

727
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: We'll both go up there, locking down another elite recruiting class,

728
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: building line of scrimmage talent on the West Coast like

729
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: I've never seen anyone do before since early two thousands,

730
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll USC teams.

731
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: That's how far you have to go back. And so

732
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen there.

733
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 2: I will give you as much word as I can

734
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 2: over something I have no control of. It's gonna happen there.

735
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 2: So it's a win for Oregon. Oh, it's a win

736
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: for the Big Ten too. Make no mistake. This is

737
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: a premier program coming into the Big Ten that was

738
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: about to have its head coach presumably snatched by a

739
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 2: premier SEC program, and then it didn't happen. But it's

740
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: a win for college football as well. Dan Lanning stand

741
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: at Oregon. Big win for the university, big win for

742
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: the Big Ten. It's a huge win for college football.

743
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: Someone gave him a chance. He wasn't a head coach,

744
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: already established, he was a coordinator who'd never been a

745
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: head coach a day in his life in the University

746
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: of Oregon. Said you're our guy, we want you to

747
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 2: come lead this program. And then they gave him everything

748
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: he's asked for, and they kept investing in him over

749
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: and over, and they committed to him, and he committed

750
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: to them, found happiness up there, and you know what

751
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: he did. He did something totally crazy. He decided not

752
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: to be mercenary. And he decided, if I'm at a

753
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: place where all my boxes are checked, I'm at the

754
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 2: best job in the country.

755
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: And that can mean different things for different people.

756
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 2: It could be that if I was the head coach

757
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: at Oregon, I would have taken the A and M

758
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: job or taken the Alabama job. But maybe I have

759
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: different priorities, maybe different things matter to me. But the

760
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: point is this sport's history is littered on every side

761
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 2: of the road with guys who tried to get happier

762
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: than happy and guys who tried to elevate above the top,

763
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 2: wrong on the ladder. Hear me again, if every one

764
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: of your boxes is checked, you've got the best job

765
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: in college football. It doesn't matter that anyone else ranks

766
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 2: another job higher. They're not you, You're not them. And

767
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: so that message, I hope resonates with a lot of folks.

768
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: I sat in the office of a head coach about

769
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: a month ago who was up for other jobs, and

770
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: he is not at a job that you would currently

771
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: call top twenty in college football. But he looked at

772
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: me and said, I've got a couple of offers in

773
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: front of me right now.

774
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: I could go there. I can make a little bit

775
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: more money.

776
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 2: I would be in a more primed position from a

777
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 2: conference affiliation standpoint.

778
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 1: But he said, why would I do that? I'm happy

779
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: right now.

780
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 2: True enough, there may be a day that comes where

781
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 2: a job that's five rungs up, the ladder opens up,

782
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: and I will take it, and I won't lie and

783
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: tell you otherwise. But what I'm not gonna do is

784
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 2: try and take incremental steps forward that includes moving my

785
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: entire family in the process for eight hundred thousand more

786
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: a year.

787
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: And it's just it doesn't make sense.

788
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: I mean, at some point, you're preaching things to kids

789
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: and recruiting that you yourself are not practicing, and hey,

790
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: what a change for once, for once in this sport,

791
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: maybe guys are thinking a little bit differently. I would

792
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: consider that a win for college football. I wanted to

793
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: briefly talk to you tonight. Hold on, let me check

794
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 2: something with Jesse, right quick? Jesse anything? No?

795
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: Still, no, okay, don't answer like that.

796
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: If you could hear the tone, If you guys, couldn't

797
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: you know, it's best that you don't. Some of you,

798
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: It's time to have this conversation. Some of you have

799
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: built Producer Jesse up to be a whole lot more

800
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: impressive than sometimes he is in a real life. And

801
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: if you could hear the tone that I just got

802
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: in my ear, you would know you would tone down

803
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: the producer Jesse high the PJH as we call it

804
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: around here.

805
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: It gets a little out of control sometimes.

806
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: Look, just because he's the one mailing you the Academy

807
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: gift cards doesn't mean that Jesse physically produced the Academy

808
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 2: gift cards.

809
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: So don't get carried away, please. But we love him.

810
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: We love him integral part of the process here.

811
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: Programs awakening in college football. It's happening, and it's being

812
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: drowned out from all the coaching search noise. But you

813
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 2: realize what's happening at Auburn right now. Auburn's a proud program.

814
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: Auburn's a program that's won a national championship, in the

815
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: last fourteen years. Yeah, and won SEC championships even more

816
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: recently than that. I've got some programs Auburn's one of

817
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: them that I think are set to awaken again. These

818
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 2: are programs that have once upon a time been something,

819
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: and I think they may soon be something again. Auburn's

820
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 2: got a head coach that's proven he knows how to

821
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 2: get it done. Hugh Freeze. I have very little doubt

822
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 2: the guy understands how to build a winner. Has the

823
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: number seven recruiting class in the country right now. That's

824
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: higher than LSU, that's higher than Tennessee, that's higher than Oklahoma.

825
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 2: They pushed Georgia and Bama to the fourth quarter to

826
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 2: the brink, had Bama fourth and thirty one on the

827
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: ropes this past year, and had they won either of

828
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: those games, I think they'd be a whole lot more

829
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: hype around this program. There should be either way. Like Auburn,

830
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 2: Auburn hired the right guy. I have little to zero

831
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: doubt about that. I think they've got a solid plan

832
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 2: in place as well. Hugh Freeze, probably like anyone else,

833
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: is a little disenchanted with what the sport is right now,

834
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: but he has that in common with dozens and dozens

835
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: of other coaches, he's equipped to when whether this is

836
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: the structure, whether ten years ago was the structure, or

837
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: five years from now, whatever college foot is, they'll be okay,

838
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: they'll win there. You know who else I think is

839
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: on the right track. Virginia Tech, I think's on the

840
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: right track.

841
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: Brent Pry very quietly trending upwards there in Blacksburg. I've

842
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: waited so long to say it.

843
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: This is a program that has not had a double

844
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: digit win season since twenty sixteen.

845
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: Why is that noteworthy? Kids?

846
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: Well, if you're ten years old, you may think big deal.

847
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: VA Tech never wins paper pop time. You know Shane Beemer, well,

848
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: his dad coached once upon a time, kiddo, and he

849
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 2: rattled off eight straight double digit win seasons in Blacksburg.

850
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: Oh, it's possible. Oh. In the words of James Earl Jones,

851
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: it represents all.

852
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: That was good and it could be again. They were

853
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: three and eight in his first year. They just wrapped

854
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: up a seven and six season. Their rushing offense. His

855
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: first year one hundred and thirteenth, they finished twenty third

856
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 2: in the country. This past year, they got a ton

857
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: of guys returning. I would love to see them recruit better.

858
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: But in the immediacy, if we're just talking about programs

859
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 2: trending back to where they once were, Virginia Tech Man,

860
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: they've got some juice. There's a subtle underground drum beat

861
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: right now that we haven't heard out of there in

862
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: quite a while.

863
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: You see my fingers here. I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful I

864
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: can afford to play favorites over here. Texas A and M.

865
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: Did you really think I was going to make it

866
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: through a show without mentioning Texas A and M?

867
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: Absolutely not.

868
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 2: Billy Luci talks about him every day, David Nuno talks

869
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: about him every day.

870
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't I?

871
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: Just because they worked for an A and M dedicated

872
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: website and I'm claiming to be a national show. Other

873
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: than that, why Mike Elko's hire was crucial. That's crucial

874
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: for several reasons, but I think the most notable among

875
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: them is secretly Texas A and M did not have

876
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 2: a CEO as a head coach. Jimbo Fisher was pretty sloppy.

877
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 2: Wasn't a CEO of anything. That's not a secret around

878
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 2: College station. It's kind of a National secret Mike Elko

879
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: is not that guy. Actually he is that guy in

880
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 2: Jimbo wasn't that guy. And Mike el also was there already.

881
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: He knew the.

882
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: Eyes that needed to be dotted, he knew the t's

883
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: that needed to be crossed. He knows the culture, he

884
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 2: knows the program, knows how to run one himself. They've

885
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 2: got plus infrastructure, plus resources, plus roster potential. In fact,

886
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: I would argue they're elite in all three of those spots.

887
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: And I don't want to get into the age old

888
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: debate on this show of whether this is an elite

889
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: job or not it is.

890
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm right about that humbly.

891
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: But I will say Mike Elko, I think, will not

892
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: get a fraction of the hype of whoever Bama's about

893
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: to hire, and he didn't get a fraction of the

894
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 2: hype of like the Lincoln Riley move to USC. What

895
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: if he just ends up being better than all of them.

896
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: I think at the very least, the program is trending

897
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: in the right direction. They're portaling guys in right now.

898
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 2: I got the number two transfer portal class in the country.

899
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: That's what Mike Norvel did almost immediately at Florida State

900
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: to jumpstart things. This will be a recruiting based program

901
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: in the near future. But let's just see what they

902
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 2: can even accomplish in year one. Miami's a program that's

903
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: absolutely trending in the right direction. But some of you

904
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: don't believe that, and well, I don't really know what

905
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: to say to that, other than my evidence is they

906
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: just went from five to seven to seven and six.

907
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: They have recruited top seven classes two cycles in a

908
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: row now, and also a number seven portal class last cycle.

909
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: The level and caliber of athlete on campus is massively

910
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: upgrading even as we speak.

911
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: That's my evidence. What is your evidence that it's not

912
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: trending in the right direction? You hate Miami.

913
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: Other than that, I'm going to need something stronger than

914
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: that bill, what else are you looking at?

915
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: I think you're looking at a warped view of what

916
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: we're talking about here.

917
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: Again, humbly, If you're trying to tell me that Miami's

918
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: not trending in the right direction as a program, I'm

919
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: not telling you they're winning the title next year, guys.

920
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: I'm saying they're trending in the right direction as a program.

921
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: If you're not on if You're not on the same

922
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: page with me, at least when it comes to admitting that.

923
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: What are we talking about?

924
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: What is it you would need to see? Well, I

925
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: would need to see them execute better in big games.

926
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: I think.

927
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: I'm not telling you they're in the process of doing it.

928
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 2: I'm telling you I think they will do it. This

929
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: is a futuristic, it's kind of a predictive segment. But

930
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: to me, having better football players is going to greatly

931
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: help that effort. Well, Josh Morio is just a recruiter.

932
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: He's not an ex's and o's guy. We can have

933
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 2: that debate another day. What I'm telling you is, I'm

934
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: not saying they're going to improve from ten to two

935
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: to twelve and oh, I'm telling you there'res seven and

936
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: six and could be nine and three next year or

937
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: something like that. You're telling me they're not trending in

938
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: a better direction than seven and six.

939
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: You don't think that.

940
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: We just disagree. I guess if you feel that way,

941
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 2: what about Nebraska? Dare I mention Matt rules Nebraska Cornhuskers?

942
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: Yes, I do.

943
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,479
Speaker 2: Dylan Royola kind of changed everything here when they picked

944
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: him up, got him to decommit from Georgia and commit

945
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: there to Nebraska.

946
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: It put him at number eighteen.

947
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: That also, according to Stats and Info, means top twenty

948
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 2: in recruiting. Defense was good last year because the offense

949
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: was horrific, no one really paid much attention to the

950
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: fact that they had a good defense.

951
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: Nebraska will always.

952
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 2: Played that style of football, but they haven't had a

953
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: double digit win season in eleven years. They've been under

954
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 2: five hundred the last seven years. And so pardon me

955
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 2: if I don't get a little excited with Matt Ruhle

956
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: going out with that kind of track record as a

957
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: program and still getting Dylan Ryola.

958
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: I don't care how they did it.

959
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: I don't care how instrumental family was and nil was.

960
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: That's the game today. By the way, I got a

961
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: dedicated group text with a bunch of Georgia buddies of mine,

962
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: and they're quick to point out, well, Nebraska just went

963
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 2: and outspent us.

964
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: Georgia didn't have to do that.

965
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: No, they don't, because George is selling something different than

966
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: Nebraska is. Georgia is selling We're a machine, will win

967
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 2: with you or without you. It's effective, by the way,

968
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: because they're right, Nebraska is selling we've been nothing. But

969
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: look at this trophy case, tumbleweeds, this millennium. Please come

970
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 2: and resurrect this brand. No, there's not nearly as much

971
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 2: guarantee at Nebraska. That's why you have to spend above

972
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: and beyond what a Georgia ever would for a player

973
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: that's natural. That's always gonna be how nil works. So

974
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: you say that's the case in Nebraska, they've got that

975
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: in common with every other program that has failed to

976
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 2: win in a long time. When they're competing against the

977
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: premier programs in college football.

978
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: That's not a slight to me.

979
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: It just means they're trying really hard. I can't believe

980
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: that's the second application of chapstick. In the show tonight,

981
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 2: they're watching us in McCarley, Mississippi. Could be mccorley. I

982
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: can't tell my a's from my o's. They're watching us

983
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: in Macon, Georgia. And they're watching us in Jonesboro, Arkansas.

984
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: And I saw Butch Jones at lax a couple of

985
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: weeks ago. I forgot to tell you guys about that.

986
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: Saw Jimmy Sexton there as well. Jimmy Sexton currently parked

987
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: at the Malamore athletic facility in the University of Alabama's campus.

988
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: He gets around a lot.

989
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 2: You kind of have to when you represent all the

990
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: big names in college football, got a lot more to

991
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: get to. Hey, Jesse, are we doing this whole Big twelve,

992
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 2: cold weather Big ten thing?

993
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: We are doing that. I'm at this point just asking

994
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: you to hear your voice. Let's do that right now.

995
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: Then we'll do FanDuel, then we'll get to the Alabama

996
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: coaching search latest. Okay, so friend of the program, really

997
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: just a viewer of the program hit us with what

998
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: I think is one of the wilder accusations of the

999
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: modern era. Now, in fairness, I did ask for radical takes. Okay,

1000
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 2: so fake Wyoming sports as opposed to the real Wyoming

1001
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: sports hit us and said, the Big twelve outside of

1002
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: Ohio State and Michigan is basically the same as the

1003
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: Big Twelve of colder, cloudy weather.

1004
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm not here to defend Big ten weather. It sucks.

1005
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: You're right about that.

1006
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: What you cannot do on any kind of reputable program,

1007
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 2: this one included is come out here and offer up

1008
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 2: this this scenario in which you get to shave off

1009
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 2: the two biggest tree tops in one conference and then

1010
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: compare what's left to the entirety of another conference. No, friend,

1011
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve does not compare to the Big Ten.

1012
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: You're not allowed to do away with Ohio State and

1013
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 2: Michigan because they are in the Big Ten. They are

1014
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: two of the five premier programs in college football right now.

1015
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 2: I'd argue, if you're taking away Texas and Oklahoma, which

1016
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 2: really are disappearing from the Big Twelve, I'd argue Penn

1017
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: States better than anything you got out there as well.

1018
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 2: So there are three programs in the Big Ten that

1019
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: are above and beyond anything you have to offer me

1020
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: in the Big Twelve. I love the Big Twelve. Okay, candidly,

1021
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve's probably been a more entertaining product to

1022
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 2: watch over the past couple of seasons than the Big Ten.

1023
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: I mean, Iowa football games put me to sleep everybody

1024
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 2: as much as they do you. But you know what

1025
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: really hurts, you know, an inconvenient truth, Iowa may very

1026
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: well win the Big Twelve if they were parked there.

1027
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 2: We don't have to approve of the philosophy. I think

1028
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,479
Speaker 2: we're going on seventy three days, by the way, since

1029
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: they fired their offensive coordinator. I have a working theory

1030
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 2: that Brian Ferrence is just going to be the offensive

1031
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: coordinator for Iowa as a volunteer. Mike, are we just

1032
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: dismissing that Chris Hassell needs to weigh in on this?

1033
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: Are we missing just dismissing the possibility that Brian Ferrence

1034
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 2: works for free just got like a community offensive coordinator there.

1035
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 2: I digress Iowa would do some business in the Big twelve.

1036
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 2: Kansas State has been a really good program there as

1037
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: of late, But think about staying power. Think about what

1038
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: it takes to sustain Penn State has sustained and they

1039
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: dwarf Kansas State and resources Ohio State and Michigan. It's

1040
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 2: not even a competitive debate. They run laps around whatever

1041
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: the Big twelve has to offer. So if Iowa was

1042
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 2: in the Big twelve, I think it may hurt some

1043
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: feelings for folks to understand how good they'd be there.

1044
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: Maryland from the Big twelve now and moving forwards perspective,

1045
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: Maryland would be competitive there, Wisconsin would be competitive there.

1046
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 1: And those aren't.

1047
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: Three or four of the top programs in the Big

1048
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: ten right now. So no, no, it's cold. That much

1049
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 2: is true in the Big Ten, but there is a

1050
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 2: sizable gap between quality of team top to bottom.

1051
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 1: In the Big Ten as opposed to the Big Twelve.

1052
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: Now, I was talking to FanDuel earlier today because I

1053
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: am always fascinated by the betting markets in coaching searches.

1054
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: I have theories on them.

1055
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: And you know what, you can't even get action on

1056
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: this stuff unless you're in Canada anyway, So it is

1057
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: really for entertainment purposes only. But I do need to

1058
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: remind you that if you're interested in things like the

1059
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,400
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1060
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Speaker 2: I would be interested to see if they've moved even

1061
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:44,800
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1062
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: But you know what else they have.

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Speaker 2: Oh hey, Jesse, one of our sources just said, call.

1070
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Speaker 1: Me when you wrap your show. This is tough. This

1071
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: is really what a classic ethical conundrum.

1072
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Speaker 2: Do I call one of our sources live and put

1073
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Speaker 2: them on speakerphone? The answer is no, I don't. HM

1074
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Speaker 2: All right, it's that time. We're an hour into the show, Jesse,

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Speaker 2: final check. You got no new information in there for me? Right,

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Speaker 2: mm hmm, all right, So here we go. I'm just

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Speaker 1: Shall we say? All right?

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00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: So the latest with the Alabama coaching search, if we

1114
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 2: want to call it that, what I said last night

1115
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 2: I stand behind fully. So what I said last night

1116
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: is a lot of folks think this is going to

1117
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 2: be a coaching search, and a lot of folks think

1118
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 2: that it's just cranking up now that Nick Saban retired

1119
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 2: and they're on first base. And I said, I think

1120
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 2: my exact words were, they're not on first base, they're

1121
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: rounding third, getting ready to head home. I stand by

1122
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 2: every bit of that because I think that's what we're

1123
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 2: in the process of. Some of you took that to

1124
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: mean an announcement was coming last night. I didn't mean

1125
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: that at all. There may be went tonight, there may

1126
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 2: be went tomorrow morning. I don't expect this to go

1127
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: past tomorrow. Who wants to go into the weekend still

1128
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,959
Speaker 2: searching for a coach? Gross, So just a few things

1129
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: to address here. Greg Byrne must have known a long

1130
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 2: time ago. Has been something that a lot of you

1131
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: have said about this coaching search. Greg burn is the

1132
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 2: athletic director at Alabama. No, he didn't know. Nick Saban

1133
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: himself didn't know until last week. I believe everything he

1134
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 2: said about that. I believe Greg byurn knew for sure

1135
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 2: Saban was retiring the morning he retired. But that really

1136
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: doesn't mean anything. If you're an athletic director worth your salt,

1137
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 2: you remember fire drills when you were in school, Like

1138
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 2: if the school caught on fire, would the teachers say, okay,

1139
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 2: we need to game plan here. What are we going

1140
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: to do the building's on fire? Of course you wouldn't,

1141
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 2: cause you did fire drills, and so everyone knows what

1142
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 2: to do when there's a tornado, when there's a fire.

1143
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: We practice these things, guys.

1144
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: Athletic directors don't necessarily need to know when their coach

1145
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 2: is stepping down to know what they're going to do

1146
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 2: at any moment in time if their coach steps down,

1147
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: you're paid to have these plans of contingency already in place.

1148
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: So whether Burne new two months earlier or two days earlier,

1149
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: the due diligence is constantly being done on that front.

1150
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 2: I think you guys would be fascinated to know the

1151
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 2: mechanisms of how actual coaching searches work. A lot of

1152
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: searches are happening even when there's no job opening. You.

1153
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: Would you be surprised at that?

1154
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: Would you be surprised that certain people who are the

1155
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 2: real power players in coaching searches are asked to quietly

1156
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 2: vet this guy or that guy even though their.

1157
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: Job's not open. Would that surprise you?

1158
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 2: It happens all the time, happens by the dozens every

1159
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 2: single year, and so is Mike Norvel in play for Alabama?

1160
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 2: It wouldn't surprise me if he was at all. I

1161
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of small book out there. I

1162
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 2: think Mike Norvel would jump at the opportunity to take

1163
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: the Alabama job if it were offered to him. Now,

1164
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 2: in the past couple of hours, there's been word come down,

1165
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 2: I believe from Yahoo Sports on NCAA violations that I

1166
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: don't think he's going to suffer much from. But at

1167
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 2: the very least, it's just kind of thrown into the

1168
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: pot whenever you're talking about Mike Norvell and FSU. But look,

1169
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 2: if Mike Norvell were to have an opportunity to be

1170
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: the head coach at Alabama on the table, that's not

1171
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 2: really much of a conversation of would Norvel take the job?

1172
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: From what I've.

1173
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 2: Heard, it would be where do I sign. I don't

1174
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 2: know that that offers on the table. It's what I'm

1175
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 2: telling you. Kaylen de Boor at Washington couldn't think any

1176
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 2: higher of him as a head coach than I do.

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Speaker 2: Would his personality fit in the SEC? I have no idea.

1178
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 2: Would he recruit at the level you need to be

1179
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: able to recruit at in the SEC? I have no idea.

1180
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 2: I think there's legitimacy behind the interest of Alabama towards

1181
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 2: Kaylen de Boor, as I said with the Texas A

1182
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 2: and M coaching search, and I'm going to say it again,

1183
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 2: there are at least two names that I've been given

1184
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 2: that I think have legitimate traction here. They're not currently

1185
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: in the building, they were not currently on the staff there.

1186
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: Let me make sure neither of them has ever coached

1187
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: or worked at Alabama, not to make sure. Some of

1188
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: these guys have been grad assistants and offield analysts at

1189
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: places you don't even know about. So any kind of

1190
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 2: reputable coaching search is going to be under lock and key,

1191
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,439
Speaker 2: and this one is hardly anyone knows anything. And number two,

1192
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 2: I do think there are some guys who have gotten

1193
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 2: looks and had the tires kicked on them that I

1194
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 2: have not heard mentioned. I got a couple of names

1195
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: in my head. I haven't heard them mentioned once. I

1196
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: tell you this to tell you the trade off sometimes

1197
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: forgetting that kind of intel is keep your mouth shut.

1198
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 2: So I'm going to I think on the back end

1199
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Speaker 2: of this coaching search, I'll be able to share those names.

1200
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 2: I did it with the A and M job. I

1201
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 2: think I'll be cannot do it right now, and I

1202
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: don't know how valid they are, have no clue. Some

1203
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 2: guys get interviewed knowing full whether or not getting the job.

1204
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 2: It's just good experience. So that context, I'm absinal. I

1205
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: don't have access to that. But let me address one

1206
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: very very flawed piece of logic that's in the mix

1207
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 2: out there, and it was always going to be in

1208
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: the mix when it came to Alabama, Nick Saban. If

1209
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 2: I've heard one person say this, I've heard a thousand

1210
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: of them say.

1211
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: Who wants to follow a legend? Who wants to try

1212
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: and step in after Nick Saban departs? The answer is

1213
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: a lot of folks.

1214
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 2: How many of them are going to get the opportunity one, two, three,

1215
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, not very many. That is not the

1216
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 2: way to phrase the question. Okay, it is a very

1217
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 2: very poor miscalculation of how supreme alpha competitors think. Alpha

1218
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 2: competitors are the one percenters. Okay, by the very definition

1219
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: of what it takes to have this job.

1220
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 1: If you have.

1221
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 2: Common mentality, if you think in average terms, you're not

1222
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 2: going to get an offer to be the head coach

1223
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 2: of Alabama anyway. So the guys who think the right way,

1224
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: they are few and far between, but those are the

1225
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: only ones that they're gonna even have the opportunity to

1226
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: begin with.

1227
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: The guys who think.

1228
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 2: In a manner that it takes to be the head

1229
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: coach of Alabama are the kind of guys who do

1230
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 2: not look at who they're replacing. They look at support,

1231
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 2: they look at facilities, they look at resources, they look

1232
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 2: at recruiting base, and they look at commitment, and Bama

1233
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 2: goes five for five on those, which makes it a

1234
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 2: premier college football job, which any competitor worth his salt

1235
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: is gonna look at and say, I don't care who.

1236
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: In the world I'm coming in behind.

1237
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna win there because I'm a winner and I

1238
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 2: got the ingredients to win.

1239
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: And that's the mic drop that's all it takes.

1240
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: That's the beginning, middle, and ending of how competitors assess this.

1241
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: So you're either gonna have a situation that's perfect like

1242
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 2: Dan Lanning has at Oregon and you cannot pry him away,

1243
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: or you're gonna go get within reason whoever you want

1244
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: to be able to go get.

1245
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: There are a few non starters.

1246
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: I don't think Kirby Smart, for example, whatever, leave Georgia

1247
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: for Alabama. But outside that, there are a lot of

1248
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 2: names in play here. Some you know about, some you don't.

1249
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 2: I will also say that I think we may be

1250
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 2: heading towards a situation where Greg Byrne decides a guy

1251
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 2: fits all of his criteria and he's maybe not at

1252
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: the top of all these lists, and people who couldn't

1253
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 2: evaluate their way out of a wet paper bag when

1254
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 2: it comes to what it takes to be a winning

1255
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 2: head coach are going to look at it and speak

1256
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 2: negatively about it. And I just think back to Florida

1257
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 2: State hiring Mike Norvel, come to think of it, and

1258
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: I think even one in two years into Norvell's career,

1259
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 2: how many people thought that was a mistake hire?

1260
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: What did they know? They didn't know anything.

1261
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 2: It was idiotic because now the guy just won the

1262
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 2: ACC and went undefeated and three fourths of the country

1263
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 2: things he got screwed out of a playoff spot. Mike

1264
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 2: Norvell's the real deal. And conversely, everyone thought Scott Frost

1265
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 2: was a home run Grand Slam higher at Nebraska. I'm

1266
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 2: included there, and it was a disaster. What do people

1267
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 2: really know?

1268
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: They don't. They don't.

1269
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 2: By the way, that's not even to speak ill of

1270
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 2: normal people. I could tell you story after story about

1271
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 2: football coaches who have been wrong about their opinions of

1272
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 2: other football coaches, and no one's more informed on the

1273
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 2: game and the job than those guys. It's always a

1274
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 2: crap shoot. It's kind of like in a similar vein

1275
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 2: when you talk about talk to people about betting football,

1276
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 2: for example, and you're struggling to be over fifty percent

1277
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: against the spread because they're really good at setting those lines,

1278
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 2: and some folks question your football acumen if you can't

1279
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 2: win fifty seven or fifty eight percent against the spread.

1280
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 2: And I always ask, could you find me the former

1281
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 2: football coach out there that's killing it sixty percent against

1282
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 2: the spread?

1283
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: Don't have anything to.

1284
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 2: Do with football acumen that may help you on an

1285
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 2: anecdotal basis, former football coaches don't have any more informed

1286
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: opinion on who's gonna win a game and cover than

1287
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,919
Speaker 2: you and I do most of the time. So there's

1288
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 2: just more to it, in other words, than what met

1289
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 2: the eye. So this is not going to be a

1290
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 2: show where I tell you a guy's in Tuscaloosa when

1291
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 2: he's not. It's not going to be a show where

1292
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 2: I throw out baseless speculation because I know there won't

1293
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 2: be a price to pay in modern media if I'm wrong.

1294
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 2: I'm telling you I don't know who they're going to hire.

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Speaker 2: I do know some names involved. I know some guys

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Speaker 2: who are involved in the interview process. A lot of

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Speaker 2: those are public football Scoop had a report earlier today. Yes,

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Speaker 2: all those names are involved, a couple more that they

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Speaker 2: didn't list, But I think it's going to conclude fairly quickly.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm standing on.

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Speaker 2: That's the one piece of business I'll stand on is

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Speaker 2: I think you're going to have an answer. It would

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Speaker 2: surprise me if we didn't have an answer on this

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Speaker 2: by this time tomorrow night, and you may have one

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Speaker 2: before this night is over. So I think that they

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Speaker 2: are round at third. I think they are headed home

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Speaker 2: on a hire, and they'll get it right. Whether the

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Speaker 2: public things they got it right or not, I think

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Speaker 2: they'll get it right. Okay, Jesse, Yeah, we're clear. Coast

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Speaker 2: is clear. All right, Do me a favor, one favor

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Speaker 2: you're following Twitter and Instagram. At Late Kick, Josh as

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, something's gonna break very soon, and I

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Speaker 2: may not be in the studio for it, so we're

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Speaker 2: gonna have reaction. May have some intel later tonight at

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Speaker 2: Late Kick, Josh follow follow Follow. That's it and that's

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Speaker 2: all for producer Jesse. For direct colin, I'm Josh Bate.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for watching great shows.

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