WEBVTT - S05 Episode 18 Extra: Übermensch

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Unexplained Extra with Me Richard McClean Smith, where

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<v Speaker 1>for the weeks in between episodes, we look at stories

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<v Speaker 1>and ideas that, for one reason or other, didn't make

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<v Speaker 1>it into the previous show. In the last episode, Learning

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<v Speaker 1>to See, we followed the extraordinary story of self described

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<v Speaker 1>psychic Peter Herkos and his questionable contribution to the Boston

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<v Speaker 1>Strangler case. The seemingly related murders of thirteen women that

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<v Speaker 1>occurred between nineteen sixty two to nineteen sixty four, most

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<v Speaker 1>of whom were also sexually assaulted, were eventually attributed to

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<v Speaker 1>factory worker Albert DeSalvo, who confessed to them in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five. There were many, however, who remained convinced that

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<v Speaker 1>DeSalvo was not the only culprit, including Peter Herkos himself,

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<v Speaker 1>who was adamant that Anne often referred to as Thomas p.

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<v Speaker 1>O'Brien had in fact been responsible for at least some

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<v Speaker 1>of the crimes. Her cous's involvement in the case was

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<v Speaker 1>hugely controversial, not only due to the fact that he

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<v Speaker 1>failed to pick out de Salvo, but also for how

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<v Speaker 1>he influenced the investigation into O'Brien, which led many, including

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<v Speaker 1>the Civil Liberties Union, to question whether O'Brien's rights had

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<v Speaker 1>been violated in the process, which, of course they had.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever you believe about the use of Hercus's supposed talents,

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<v Speaker 1>it is hard to deny the extra layer of fascination

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<v Speaker 1>his involvement brings to a police investigation. With that in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>there is one case in particular that makes for intriguing listening,

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<v Speaker 1>not least of all because it also happened to involve

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<v Speaker 1>one of America's most curious and shocking crimes of the

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth century. The following story contained scenes of murder and

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<v Speaker 1>sexual abuse that some may find disturbing. Parental disc is advised.

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<v Speaker 1>On one balmy evening in June nineteen forty seven, two

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<v Speaker 1>cars are parked up by the side of the road

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<v Speaker 1>on the outskirts of Annapolis in Maryland. One car, an

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<v Speaker 1>old green Chrysler, sits empty, while the other, a few

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<v Speaker 1>yards in front, rocks back and forth, seemingly occupied by

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<v Speaker 1>two people in the midst of an intimate embrace. Moments later,

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<v Speaker 1>a tall, clean shaven, dark haired man steps out of

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<v Speaker 1>the vehicle and into the warm summer air, his hands

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<v Speaker 1>and clothes covered in blood. The man looks to the

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<v Speaker 1>sky and challenges God to strike him down for what

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<v Speaker 1>he has just done, but nothing happens. Soon after, local

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<v Speaker 1>police receive a frantic call from a sergeant home on leave.

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<v Speaker 1>The man, breathless and in shock, explains that he and

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<v Speaker 1>a woman he was seeing named Margaret Harold, had been

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<v Speaker 1>parked up on a back road when another car pulled

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<v Speaker 1>up behind them. They'd watched with alarm as the driver

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<v Speaker 1>of the vehicle approached them, brandishing a gun before letting

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<v Speaker 1>himself into the back of the car, and then demanded

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<v Speaker 1>money and cigarettes. When they refused to give them to him,

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<v Speaker 1>he pulled Margaret's head back by her hair and shot

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<v Speaker 1>her in the face. The sergeant had somehow managed to

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<v Speaker 1>escape before being killed himself. When police arrived at the

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<v Speaker 1>scene thirty minutes later, although the chrysler has long gone,

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<v Speaker 1>the other car remains inside it, they find the lifeless

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<v Speaker 1>body of Margaret Harold, stripped of all her clothes, showing

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<v Speaker 1>signs of post mortem violation, with no sign of the culprit.

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<v Speaker 1>The horrified officers fan out to search the surrounding area,

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<v Speaker 1>where they soon come across a small, gray cinder block

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<v Speaker 1>building tucked away in the woods not far from the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Inside they find the walls plastered with strange and violent

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<v Speaker 1>ornographic images, alongside mortuary photos of dead women and a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of one young woman taken from a university yearbook.

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<v Speaker 1>The woman, Wander Tipton, is found to have been a

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty five graduate of the University of Maryland. After

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<v Speaker 1>being tracked down by the police, she has asked if

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<v Speaker 1>she knows anyone that fits the description of the attacker

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<v Speaker 1>later given to police by the sergeant, but she does not.

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<v Speaker 1>Months later, on January eleventh, nineteen fifty nine, a car

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<v Speaker 1>is found abandoned by the side of the road in

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<v Speaker 1>the Apple Grove region of central Virginia. The couple who

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<v Speaker 1>owned it, Mildred Jackson and her husband Carol, along with

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<v Speaker 1>their two children, five year old Susan and eighteen month

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<v Speaker 1>old Janet, are declared missing soon after. In March, fifty

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<v Speaker 1>miles away, near the town of Fredericksburg, two men are

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<v Speaker 1>driving on a dirt road when their vehicle gets stuck

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<v Speaker 1>in the mud. While gathering branches to use as traction

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<v Speaker 1>to free their car, they stumble across the decomposing body

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<v Speaker 1>of a man in a ditch whose hands have been

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<v Speaker 1>bound together with the necktie. The body is later identified

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<v Speaker 1>as that of Carol Jackson, who was killed by a

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<v Speaker 1>single shot to the back of the head. When his

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<v Speaker 1>body is removed from the site, a second, much smaller

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<v Speaker 1>body is discovered wedged under beneath it. His eighteen month

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<v Speaker 1>old daughter, Janet, had been thrown in alive before suffocating

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<v Speaker 1>under her father's body. Two weeks go by when two

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<v Speaker 1>boys out hunting squirrels close to Fredericksburg find a large

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<v Speaker 1>mound of dirt where something has clearly been buried. Curious

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<v Speaker 1>to find out what it is, they brush away the

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<v Speaker 1>top soil, revealing a lock of long blonde hair. After

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<v Speaker 1>sprinting home to inform their parents, the police are swiftly

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<v Speaker 1>called to the scene. After digging a little further, they

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<v Speaker 1>on earth the bodies of Mildred and five year old Susan.

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<v Speaker 1>Both had been raped and brutally murdered. Another eighteen months later,

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<v Speaker 1>and the police are yet to find the culprits to

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<v Speaker 1>the Margaret, Harold and Jackson family murders, having questioned around

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen hundred people but only managing to whittle them down

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<v Speaker 1>to one hundred and sixty five potential suspects. In June

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty, Peter Herkos receives a call from a doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>Francis Reasonman, a forensic psychiatrist based in Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 1>Two of Reasonman's private patients have been included on the

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<v Speaker 1>list of suspects, despite his conviction that they are completely

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<v Speaker 1>innocent of the crimes. Looking for a way to clear

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<v Speaker 1>their names, Reasonman turns to her Coos in the hope

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<v Speaker 1>that he might be able to provide some clues that

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<v Speaker 1>could exonerate them once and for all. Incredibly, after reaching

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<v Speaker 1>a deal with the police, they agree to let Reasonman

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<v Speaker 1>fly her Coos out to consult on the case. A

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<v Speaker 1>few days later, Peter arrives in the city of Fall's Church, Virginia,

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<v Speaker 1>under a flurry of media attention. Asked for his predictions

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<v Speaker 1>about the case, he doesn't hesitate in his answer, telling

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<v Speaker 1>them that the murderer will be arrested in fourteen days

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<v Speaker 1>and will eventually be found to be responsible for nine murders.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter then proceeds to draw a picture of a house,

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<v Speaker 1>which he describes as being located about an acre and

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<v Speaker 1>a half into the woods, with a broken chair on

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<v Speaker 1>the porch and a box of old books inside. Once

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<v Speaker 1>you find the house, he says, you will find the killer.

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<v Speaker 1>The following day, Peter leads the police to the very

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<v Speaker 1>house he had apparently seen in his vision. Not only

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<v Speaker 1>is it exactly how he described, but it is also

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<v Speaker 1>occupied by a thirty four year old man who just

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<v Speaker 1>so happens to be one of their leading suspects. No

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<v Speaker 1>sooner have they arrived when Peter leads them to a

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<v Speaker 1>second building, a small wooden shack about fifty feet from

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<v Speaker 1>where Mildred and Susan Jackson's bodies were discovered. Police had

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<v Speaker 1>already searched the shack eighteen months previously and found a

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<v Speaker 1>button there from the dress Mildred was wearing when she

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<v Speaker 1>was murdered. This time they find an id bracelet belonging

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<v Speaker 1>to the thirty four year old occupant of the nearby house.

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<v Speaker 1>During his time with police, Peter is also taken to

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<v Speaker 1>the churchyard whether Jacksons were buried. Once there, he has

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<v Speaker 1>given some of their clothing to handle. Moments later, he

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<v Speaker 1>claims to have a vision of their deaths, telling the

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<v Speaker 1>officers present the precise order in which the family members

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<v Speaker 1>were killed, the position of their bodies when they were discovered,

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<v Speaker 1>and the added detail that Mildred had been sexually assaulted,

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<v Speaker 1>all of which was said to have been correct and

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<v Speaker 1>entirely unknown to the public at the time, With investigators

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<v Speaker 1>by then considering the possibility that the murder of Margaret

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<v Speaker 1>Harold might be linked to the Jackson family murders. Peter

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<v Speaker 1>is also taken to where her body was found. Seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>taking a moment to soak up the atmosphere of the place,

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<v Speaker 1>Peter appears to sense something important nearby, disappearing into a bush.

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<v Speaker 1>He calls out moments later for the police to follow him.

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<v Speaker 1>When they find him, he is pointing at a muddy

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<v Speaker 1>and discolored piece of clothing. It was Margaret's skirt, left

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<v Speaker 1>unnoticed by the investigating team for three years. The thirty

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<v Speaker 1>four year old man in the house Peter led the

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<v Speaker 1>police to was promptly arrested and soon after confessed to

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<v Speaker 1>the murders. The next day, the arrest is announced in

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<v Speaker 1>the press, with Peter warmly congratulated for his part in

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<v Speaker 1>the papers, a distressed man named Glenn Mosa walks into

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<v Speaker 1>his local police station, claiming to have some vital information

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<v Speaker 1>regarding the Jackson murders. The year before, he'd written to

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<v Speaker 1>police anonymously suggesting they look into his friend, Melvin David

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<v Speaker 1>Reese as a possible suspect. The twenty six year old

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<v Speaker 1>Reese was a touring jazz musician. Riese and Moser had

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<v Speaker 1>become close friends in the years since, and would regularly

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<v Speaker 1>stay up late, getting drunk and discussing all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>ideas together. When Mosa first read about the Jackson murders

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<v Speaker 1>with a chill, he'd been instantly reminded of a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>he and Reese had had the night before they disappeared.

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<v Speaker 1>That night, Reese had been high on Ben's adream and

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<v Speaker 1>shooting his mouth off about how he craved to have

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<v Speaker 1>every experience from love to death, and how you couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>say it was wrong to kill as such, only that

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<v Speaker 1>it was wrong in the sense that individual standards dictated

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<v Speaker 1>it to be. As Mosa went on to reveal, he

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<v Speaker 1>and Reese had also been staying in the Vicinity of

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<v Speaker 1>Annapolis the night Margaret Harold was murdered in his letter,

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<v Speaker 1>Mosa had given the police an address where they could

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<v Speaker 1>find Reese and arrest him. However, by the time they

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<v Speaker 1>got there, he'd already left the property to go back

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<v Speaker 1>out on the road. Though efforts were made to track

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<v Speaker 1>him down, no one appeared to know anything about his whereabouts.

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<v Speaker 1>After digging a little further into his past, investigators discovered

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<v Speaker 1>that he'd once been a student at the University of Maryland,

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<v Speaker 1>but had dropped out after a year to pursue music.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd also once dated Wander Tipton, the woman whose yearbook

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<v Speaker 1>photo was found in the Breezeblock building not far from

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<v Speaker 1>where Margaret Harold had been murdered. Mosa was coming to

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<v Speaker 1>the police now because he just received a letter from

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<v Speaker 1>Reese giving the address he was now living at in Hyattsville, Arkansas,

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<v Speaker 1>close to where he was working as a piano salesman.

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<v Speaker 1>Prior to Peter's involvement in the case, police had already

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<v Speaker 1>begun to think about Reese as a leading suspect, but

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<v Speaker 1>had written him off after the confession of the man

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<v Speaker 1>they now had in custody. However, with good reason to

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<v Speaker 1>follow it up, the police head out to the address

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<v Speaker 1>given to them by Glenn mosa. While conducting a search

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<v Speaker 1>of the address, the police come across an empty saxophone case.

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<v Speaker 1>Opening it up, they find inside a point thirty eight

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<v Speaker 1>handgun identical to the weapon used in both the Harold

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<v Speaker 1>and Jackson mur as well as a series of dark

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<v Speaker 1>and disturbing notes written by Reese. On one note, clipped

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<v Speaker 1>to a newspaper picture of Mildred Jackson is written, drove

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<v Speaker 1>to select area and killed husband and baby. Now the

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<v Speaker 1>mother and daughter were all mine, It went on, tied

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<v Speaker 1>and gagged, then led her to the place of execution

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<v Speaker 1>and hung her. I was her master. Clearly the police

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<v Speaker 1>had arrested the wrong man. After releasing the thirty four

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<v Speaker 1>year old, police promptly arrest Melvin Reese, who confesses soon

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<v Speaker 1>after to the murders of Margaret, Harold and the Jackson family.

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<v Speaker 1>When the story breaks, the papers are quick to turn

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<v Speaker 1>on Peter Herkos, brandishing his involvement in the case as

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<v Speaker 1>a madness of crystal ball justice that has no place

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<v Speaker 1>in the criminal justice system. There did, however, remained some

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<v Speaker 1>interesting details. Although Hercos's tips led police to the wrong man,

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<v Speaker 1>it was determined later that Reese had also once lived

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<v Speaker 1>at the property that the thirty four year old man

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<v Speaker 1>was living when police arrested him. Reyes was also arrested

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<v Speaker 1>precisely fourteen days after Peter arrived, just as he had predicted. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>shortly after his arrest, Es also confessed to the murder

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<v Speaker 1>of two girls, sixteen year old Mary Chomet and fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old and Ryan, taking the number of people he

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<v Speaker 1>murdered to seven. Eighteen year old Mary Fellers and sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old Shelby Venable, who were also murdered around the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, are also heavily suspected as being victims of

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<v Speaker 1>Melvin Reese, which would take the total to nine, also

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<v Speaker 1>just as Peter predicted. This extra episode concludes season five

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<v Speaker 1>of Unexplained. I just want to take this opportunity to

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