Speaker 1: Fine Down with Jane Kramer and Michael Coffin, and I'm
Speaker 1: from radio back to you from New Iberia where New Iberia, Louisiana.
Speaker 1: We are in New Iberia Easton East Bowne is here
Speaker 1: and Mike's here. Now I am so excited. Eastern What
Speaker 1: did you do today? I've never been to the South
Speaker 1: before ever. The closest thing was going to Nashville and I,
Speaker 1: I mean, I went to your guy's house and then
Speaker 1: I went home. So uh, I was like, I want
Speaker 1: to do as much like Southern stuff as I can
Speaker 1: while I'm here. So I went to waffle House for
Speaker 1: the first time you have I had I had eggs,
Speaker 1: um a waffle bacon, and I had hash browns, had
Speaker 1: a smothered covered h Pepford and capped. Did you have
Speaker 1: the runs after? How good was the waffle Though? I
Speaker 1: love waffle House? It was really good. I really, I
Speaker 1: really like it. Like I'm going to try and hit
Speaker 1: it again before I leave. I mean, it's greasy, it's batty,
Speaker 1: but it's so good. It's so it's cheap, like that
Speaker 1: breakfast is like five dollars. Okay, what did you do
Speaker 1: after a waffle House? After waffle house. I went to
Speaker 1: Avery Island, Oh, the Tabasca. I went to the Tabaska.
Speaker 1: I brought you some to Tabasco jelly beans for you guys,
Speaker 1: and Tabasco chocolate over there. I went on the Tabasco tour.
Speaker 1: It was spicy and fun. It was cool. I learned
Speaker 1: a lot about peppers, and uh, it smells like Tabasco
Speaker 1: sauce all over the place, so it's like it makes
Speaker 1: your eyes water, but in a really fun way, really
Speaker 1: fun amazing. I also went into the I think I'm
Speaker 1: saying it's right. The Michaelhenny family that owns Tabasco. They
Speaker 1: they had like a bird park near on every island.
Speaker 1: So I drove around there and I saw an alligator
Speaker 1: that you did did you call? Like I only read
Speaker 1: about these in story book for real? It was crazy
Speaker 1: like uh. At one point I got out of my
Speaker 1: car and I was like taking pictures of just like
Speaker 1: the trees, and I was like looking for gators and uh,
Speaker 1: I was kind of the water and I see this
Speaker 1: thing start moving like in the like you know, and
Speaker 1: like Jaws or something you'd see like the water ripple.
Speaker 1: I started like, my god, they're slow right, Like I'll
Speaker 1: be okay, it's I kind of reached back and I
Speaker 1: was like touching my door handle, getting ready to jump in,
Speaker 1: and then it comes out of the water and it
Speaker 1: was a turtle, a little turtle. I felt like such.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I was alone because I freaked out. So
Speaker 1: you really didn't see alligator? Then I did see it.
Speaker 1: I did seem later on did you say later gator?
Speaker 1: And then did he say after a while rug? I did? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was exchange. Uh, yeah, it was. It was really fun. Um.
Speaker 1: So I drove around there for a bit and then
Speaker 1: I went I went back to my hotel and I
Speaker 1: worked for a little bit, and then I went to
Speaker 1: Raising Canes. It's a it's a chicken chicken spot and
Speaker 1: they do chicken strips. It's really good. We have them
Speaker 1: in California, but they were found in Louisiana. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to see you had churches chicken yet, you know,
Speaker 1: I haven't had churches chicken. We had those in California, too,
Speaker 1: But wow, that sounds like a really Louisiana Southern day.
Speaker 1: You know, it really was. I felt like I got
Speaker 1: the full experience. I love that. Um. Just the heads up,
Speaker 1: I think someone's about to knock on my trailer door. UM, this,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in and out this episode. I
Speaker 1: might not come back. I might come back, So Mike
Speaker 1: and Eastern are gonna take over the rest of this.
Speaker 1: UM's gotta go work. What's your favorite thing about acting? UM?
Speaker 1: Playing somebody else? Yeah? What's your least favorite thing? Waiting?
Speaker 1: Like the night shoots? I hate what we're doing right now.
Speaker 1: I really don't like night Shoots. But what can I
Speaker 1: just say something really fast? So when we leave, When
Speaker 1: I leave and you guys talk, the only thing that
Speaker 1: I asked that you guys don't talk about is the
Speaker 1: nerd stuff like the Star Wars and the Avengers because
Speaker 1: we will lose subscribers audience. I was. I was thinking
Speaker 1: about it, like, there goes my whole list of stuff.
Speaker 1: I know, because you know, I really don't want people
Speaker 1: to follow us. And do you think we would really
Speaker 1: do that? Um? I mean the whole episode, the whole episode. Still,
Speaker 1: I think you know, we know you as like a lungers.
Speaker 1: We I had my we had that talk before the podcast,
Speaker 1: because I did. I was actually going to text him
Speaker 1: earlier today about something I forgot that he was here
Speaker 1: waiting to save yeah. So I was like, I'll save it,
Speaker 1: you know, to myself, I was like, I'll save it
Speaker 1: for in person, But I didn't save it for the
Speaker 1: podcast where you talked about it. Got it? Okay? So
Speaker 1: are you interviewing me right now? Just why we have
Speaker 1: you before we have to go work. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm the special guest. Who are the special guests? And
Speaker 1: Mike's podcast, Oh wow, this is the wine down has
Speaker 1: now gone to Eastern and Mike's Mind Down with Eastan
Speaker 1: and Mike. Grab a drink with Eastern and Mike. Um.
Speaker 1: So between doing music and acting, what are the like,
Speaker 1: what do you get from them that the other doesn't
Speaker 1: give you? Like? What is it about music that you
Speaker 1: get that acting doesn't What is it about acting that
Speaker 1: music doesn't give you? It's interesting, good question. It's interesting
Speaker 1: because you get the instant feedback with um, with being
Speaker 1: on stage, so people liking your stuff and singing along,
Speaker 1: and you get that instant gratification almost like if you
Speaker 1: did a Broadway UM, and then you also get to
Speaker 1: be yourself. But at the same time, I still you know,
Speaker 1: I had a hard time performing live in the very beginning,
Speaker 1: but then I was like, no, I can put on
Speaker 1: this entertainer role and be an act that even though
Speaker 1: I'm still myself and I'm still putting on you know,
Speaker 1: the show and being an entertainer. But with acting, I
Speaker 1: feel like it gives um you get to be creative
Speaker 1: and you get to step aside. And that's what I said.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things about this is because I
Speaker 1: feel like I get to step aside and leave my
Speaker 1: reality and become Sarah's reality. Most is my character and
Speaker 1: and with Alex and I just get to have fun.
Speaker 1: They get to explore when I get to be like, wow,
Speaker 1: I wonder what this person would do. I know what
Speaker 1: I would do, but what would she do? So there's
Speaker 1: something in this show that um I was. I was
Speaker 1: talking to imas Emily or director and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: why did you take that out? That was so funny.
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, but I don't think that's what the
Speaker 1: character would have done. So I think that's what you
Speaker 1: would have done. And I was like, you're so right,
Speaker 1: but that's not something that my character would have done.
Speaker 1: So it's about like having to think about what this
Speaker 1: other person would do and get to, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of live that and then leave that character and be like,
Speaker 1: all right, you know next so interesting. So now the
Speaker 1: opposite of that between the two, what is what is
Speaker 1: it about them that you don't like? Like? What is
Speaker 1: the biggest downfall of being a singer and doing music
Speaker 1: was the biggest downfall and negative aspect of being an
Speaker 1: actress or an actor? I'm sorry, I mean I think
Speaker 1: with this singing and so personal, that's why I was
Speaker 1: so afraid to go into singing because I felt they're
Speaker 1: telling me, no, they're telling me they don't like me.
Speaker 1: It's different with acting because I feel like you walk
Speaker 1: into room, all right, maybe I'm I'm Burnett and they
Speaker 1: want a blond, or maybe they just saw a different version,
Speaker 1: so they're not saying that I'm not good enough. So
Speaker 1: do you think actors in general, if a movie flops
Speaker 1: or a movie doesn't do well or I make up,
Speaker 1: that they would still or that somewhere in your shoes
Speaker 1: would still kind of take it personally because it's still
Speaker 1: you put in the performance, is still you performing well.
Speaker 1: And this is where what I was going to go to,
Speaker 1: that is to what I was saying is both ways artists,
Speaker 1: singers musicians. I think artists in general were so deathly
Speaker 1: insecure like you. I was just talking to one of
Speaker 1: the girls playing Miss Clara, and we were just saying
Speaker 1: how we always want like affirmation, like was that a
Speaker 1: good was that a good enough scene? And there's only
Speaker 1: been I would say a handful. There's been maybe three
Speaker 1: scenes that I've walked away and said I was a
Speaker 1: dent on that, and there's never been. And that's the
Speaker 1: downfall with the acting, in the in the music is
Speaker 1: because you don't walk a way saying wow each time
Speaker 1: that makes sense like you, you you feel insecure, and
Speaker 1: that's that's the hardest part because I'm like, man, I
Speaker 1: could have done better at that, or man, I could
Speaker 1: have done this. And I was talking to um who
Speaker 1: was I talking to the other damn set? Oh? I
Speaker 1: was talking to the producer because I was telling you,
Speaker 1: I said, it just sucks that we have that internal battle.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing with saying like, man, I could
Speaker 1: have saying that one better and I could have done
Speaker 1: this on that show. I could have been way more
Speaker 1: on and I was tired or whatever. Same with the
Speaker 1: acting side, and he's like, well, is there anything that
Speaker 1: you know you're good at? And I was like, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm a great freaking mom. That's the only thing that
Speaker 1: I can say that I can like hang my hat on,
Speaker 1: which is why Again, to your point, the negative is
Speaker 1: feeling like you're just not good enough and that's not
Speaker 1: good enough. Do you think acting and like movies and
Speaker 1: film and TV, is more subjective than music, Like, even
Speaker 1: though it all depends on everyone's personal tastes and preference
Speaker 1: and all of that, but I just just from you
Speaker 1: talking about it, it kind of feels like music. He's like,
Speaker 1: either like country or don't either like hip hop or
Speaker 1: you don't cut more so, but it's like acting. You know,
Speaker 1: you and I have both made each other watch movies
Speaker 1: that maybe we wouldn't watch, and then we're sitting there
Speaker 1: it's like, oh this that was really good. I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed that. So because of that, do you find it harder? Because,
Speaker 1: like you're saying to you the scene, you're like, I
Speaker 1: think I could have done that better, but that's just
Speaker 1: your opinion. Your director or your producer or someone else
Speaker 1: might be like that was an amazing yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: so do you even though you didn't feel that way
Speaker 1: at first, because you have that information, or you're like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was great well, and that's the battle. So like
Speaker 1: with one of the scenes that we just filmed the
Speaker 1: first day, I was I texted Daniel and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man, I was not on. I just had
Speaker 1: a really tough time in that scene because I just
Speaker 1: feel like I have a lot writing on this and
Speaker 1: I just want to do good because it's my first
Speaker 1: movie back in you know, a year and a half,
Speaker 1: and I just I don't want to come back and
Speaker 1: be like, man, she sucks like she took too much
Speaker 1: time off, and so the internal voices in our head,
Speaker 1: I know, and I was crying and I felt so stupid,
Speaker 1: but I just I really, like, you know, having such
Speaker 1: a hard time. And he, you know, he ended up
Speaker 1: saying he's like, hey, the scene turned out amazing. What
Speaker 1: are you talking about? But again, that's just the downfall
Speaker 1: is just not feeling like you you have to. Here's
Speaker 1: and here's what I've learned with auditioning, which is total
Speaker 1: total different beasts, is saying, okay, audition, I go in
Speaker 1: and I'm done with it. I throw away the sides
Speaker 1: I don't because you can't. You'll just stew and be like,
Speaker 1: oh I could have done this better. I could and
Speaker 1: that it's like, Okay, now I'm trying to learn how
Speaker 1: to just leave it in the scene. Well, especially because
Speaker 1: you guys just from an outsiders you know, perspective is
Speaker 1: seeing all their auditions, all the stuff you've gone in
Speaker 1: the room for, all the stuff you put on tape.
Speaker 1: That would drive me nuts if you just hung onto
Speaker 1: every single one and dissected. Is like, I actually have
Speaker 1: done this. Let's do another table, you know, and send
Speaker 1: that one in. It's like, no, you can be a
Speaker 1: never ending cycle. It's like that one audition we did
Speaker 1: when you were hungry. So it always brings me back to, oh,
Speaker 1: it's so hard some times running We we self tape
Speaker 1: a lot. That was funny. That was fun Yeah. Basically,
Speaker 1: Janna just kept wanting to do a scene over and
Speaker 1: over again. And she caught me like right before lunch
Speaker 1: or something. One second, they're ready, okay, And so yeah,
Speaker 1: Janna realized after the twenty tages like, Okay, I know
Speaker 1: you're hungry, you eat al right, guys, let's say I
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Speaker 1: dot com. Slash Jana al Right, well now it's uh
Speaker 1: boys only club, no girls allowed. Janna has to go
Speaker 1: work man, poor thing she's got late these I tell
Speaker 1: you what, just being with Jana, the the demand that
Speaker 1: the business that she's in between singing, like when you'd
Speaker 1: be on tour all the time and being on set acting.
Speaker 1: You know, from the outside looking in looks like an
Speaker 1: amazing time, like party and not stop or having a
Speaker 1: great time, and it's a blast, and it's so easy
Speaker 1: and fun. These musicians, these entertaineers, these actors and actresses,
Speaker 1: they work their ass off. It's unbelievable. And like something
Speaker 1: when I was I was talking to her and she's like,
Speaker 1: you know that this particular project, it's a Christmas movie.
Speaker 1: This is August in Louisiana. Like we have to pretend
Speaker 1: it's cold outside and like everyone's wearing like giant coats
Speaker 1: and everything. And I'm like, oh my god, like that
Speaker 1: that's it's just like you have to do the scene
Speaker 1: a million times in different angles that you're sweating your
Speaker 1: butt off. Man. It's just like you know, I'm I'm.
Speaker 1: It makes me very thankful that I just have to
Speaker 1: press record and then it gets to go home to
Speaker 1: my absolutely no question. It makes me wonder. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why do they have to record or film these movies
Speaker 1: right now? Like why they can't give themselves like a
Speaker 1: ten month timeline to like film them back in you know,
Speaker 1: late winter, early spring. They have to do it in
Speaker 1: like August and just have three months until it comes out.
Speaker 1: I know I was thinking about that too. I just
Speaker 1: assumed that it would be nice to do you wait
Speaker 1: till the wintertime, you record all of them for the
Speaker 1: next year, you know. But I guess I I don't
Speaker 1: know how that we don't know the inner working as
Speaker 1: much like us. It's like it sounds so simple. Why
Speaker 1: not I'll fix it? Um. You know. It's funny though,
Speaker 1: because the first time I don't remember what movie it was,
Speaker 1: but the first time I went like on a set
Speaker 1: with Channah and I was excited. I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: like I'm going to set, see what it's all about.
Speaker 1: After like a few days and I'm like, can I
Speaker 1: go home? Honey? I love you? But I'm good, can
Speaker 1: I can I take off? Because it's just like you
Speaker 1: said from so, it's they'll do the same scene and
Speaker 1: they'll like wrap on the scene and like all right,
Speaker 1: like we get to go. Nope, they got to do
Speaker 1: the same scene ten more times from a different angle.
Speaker 1: And sometimes they'll have stand ins, but a lot of
Speaker 1: times they won't. Depends on you the level movie and
Speaker 1: budget and this and that and what kind of angle
Speaker 1: they have of you. But it's it's just it's exhausting.
Speaker 1: It's exhausting, and honestly, to all those listeners, it's boring.
Speaker 1: I mean it is, it really is. I got to
Speaker 1: watch them shoot. Um we talked about this last week,
Speaker 1: but I got to watch them shoot a part where
Speaker 1: Janet didn't speak, like she was just like on her
Speaker 1: she was like texting somebody and like a character comes
Speaker 1: up and talks to her, but you can't really hear
Speaker 1: what they're I think they're gonna ad r it or something.
Speaker 1: But I was watching them and it was they did it.
Speaker 1: They did it like five times, so like not that many,
Speaker 1: and it was a really short shot. But I was
Speaker 1: having like once I realized like Okay, they're gonna do
Speaker 1: this a couple more times, Like I was watching some
Speaker 1: of the background people to see if they change. Like
Speaker 1: there's this old couple. They're supposed to walk through the
Speaker 1: room and they're terrely supposed to be leaving the room,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, this time, the guy straightened
Speaker 1: his tie as he was walking right. Those little things
Speaker 1: to keep you entertained. I'm excited to see which take
Speaker 1: they use in the final product. And I and I
Speaker 1: always pick up on those things and movies in general,
Speaker 1: like I'm always I like I could be that person
Speaker 1: that calls out. And we were just talking about it
Speaker 1: off off air about you pick up on things that
Speaker 1: are the goose and movies. It's like, well, he was
Speaker 1: holding his right hand here, but in this scene he
Speaker 1: was holding his laugh like what you know, what's going on? Um?
Speaker 1: But no, it's a lot of fun. And I admire
Speaker 1: Janna for the work that she puts into all of this.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's unbelievable. And then you know, she had
Speaker 1: a whole week away from Jolie and joint Julie and
Speaker 1: I just flew here, and she'll have another week away
Speaker 1: from us next week when we leave. And you know,
Speaker 1: fortunately she's had jcre the whole week and that keeps
Speaker 1: her happy. But it's a lot, man, these families that
Speaker 1: lived this life. It's it's it takes its hole. It
Speaker 1: really does. Speaking of entertainment, so unfortunately I wasn't there,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you guys talked about it,
Speaker 1: but your presence on stage with Janna at the House
Speaker 1: of Blues and Anaheim a couple of weeks ago, which
Speaker 1: was legendary. Thank you. And for those of you who
Speaker 1: don't follow Janna, I'm sure do you still have it
Speaker 1: on your Instagram? It's on parts of it on my Instagram.
Speaker 1: Janna has the whole thing on hers, Okay, So go
Speaker 1: to Jan's Instagram, on her Instagram TV, on her Instagram TV,
Speaker 1: and you'll see Eastern up there on stage out singing
Speaker 1: Channa on our own songs. You know. I will say
Speaker 1: this though, and I admire your ability to seize a movement.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you very much. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't think we talked about this. So it's one
Speaker 1: of those things that at least me personally, there's there's
Speaker 1: moments in my life where it could be something that
Speaker 1: silly is doing something like that going up on stage
Speaker 1: and singing or doing karaoke, which I did in college,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. We had a little boy band
Speaker 1: going on called the Little Dudes. It was fantastic. Everything
Speaker 1: and your boy bands on. It was awesome Tuesday nights
Speaker 1: at the pub in Harrisonburg, Virginia. Anyways, enough down memory lane,
Speaker 1: um No, But being able, that's just something a trait
Speaker 1: that I wish I could have more of and just
Speaker 1: really seize a moment and take advantage of it, because
Speaker 1: that then you just have regrets, you know. And it's
Speaker 1: I feel like any any situation like that and that
Speaker 1: we've kind of experienced together or that I've seen you in,
Speaker 1: you always just sees the day. You just make the
Speaker 1: most of it. Like today you're in New Iberia, Louisiana.
Speaker 1: No one probably probably listening knows where that is, and
Speaker 1: you just went out found what was here and just
Speaker 1: went out and ventured out. A lot of people maybe
Speaker 1: would have just stayed in their hotel room. I I
Speaker 1: probably would have done that, you know. I mean, I'll
Speaker 1: just stayed in my hotel room, maybe gone somewhere. But
Speaker 1: you just go by yourself and just enjoy the day,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's one of those things that as people,
Speaker 1: as human beings, it's like we don't want to. Everyone
Speaker 1: says no regrets, like you know, no regrets. No one
Speaker 1: wants any of that. But yet when the time comes,
Speaker 1: we don't step up. But people like you, there's plenty
Speaker 1: of people like you that are able to take advantage
Speaker 1: of that. What is that? Is that? Is that just
Speaker 1: your personality? Do you have some kind of explanation where
Speaker 1: your parents always told you to seize a moment or
Speaker 1: is it just kind of part of you? You know? Uh?
Speaker 1: It my my my parents definitely taught me to, like
Speaker 1: because my dad like is a bodybuilder and he like
Speaker 1: would do bodybuiding shows and stuff like that, and he,
Speaker 1: uh he always talked about like the first one he entered,
Speaker 1: he was like, nothing good ever happened if I don't
Speaker 1: do this, you know, like like yeah, I might lose
Speaker 1: and embarrass myself, but but like it'll just never happen
Speaker 1: if I don't. That's the only way to guarantee something
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, is if you don't do it. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I I don't know, I get um. I always I'm
Speaker 1: always afraid of what if I didn't do something? That's
Speaker 1: what like I get afraid of so um, I try to.
Speaker 1: I try to try a bunch of stuff. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's worked out for me. Yeah. And you know, Jane
Speaker 1: and I have talked about kind of this topic before.
Speaker 1: And I'll have this thing where I will want something
Speaker 1: good happens, and after, like I'm sitting with it, I'll
Speaker 1: like think back and I'll play this game with myself,
Speaker 1: like what if that didn't happen, especially with like football, right,
Speaker 1: what if I didn't make that catch? What if I
Speaker 1: had to drop that touchdown? What? And it's I don't
Speaker 1: know why I do, but it's just so you know,
Speaker 1: what if I didn't get married to Janna? What? It's
Speaker 1: just you know what I mean, Just there's there's positive
Speaker 1: things in life that that have happened to every to
Speaker 1: to to the listeners, to you, to me, to whoever.
Speaker 1: Thinking about man, what did I do? Like how did
Speaker 1: I put myself in a situation for this to happen?
Speaker 1: And then what if I didn't take advantage of it?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Darius Recker has a song
Speaker 1: called this and uh he said, it's like forever stop
Speaker 1: glad I didn't take ever I did or didn't make
Speaker 1: and it's like whatever happened in my life has led
Speaker 1: me to this moment, and you know, and I'm glad
Speaker 1: I made those decisions. I was thinking just the other day,
Speaker 1: I I UM, I recently started seeing my therapist again
Speaker 1: after like six years of not seeing a therapist. Do
Speaker 1: anything inspire that or just you're just like I'm having
Speaker 1: I'm having some problems with some close friends of mine
Speaker 1: and it's um affecting me more than I would like
Speaker 1: it too, And I'm like complaining to my wife about
Speaker 1: it a lot. And she she's had a lot, she's
Speaker 1: had a very hard time these last couple of years.
Speaker 1: She's had a lot of really bad stuff happened. And
Speaker 1: I had this realization, like the last thing she needs
Speaker 1: is me like bitching to about like my like dumb friends.
Speaker 1: So I was like, this is something that like it's
Speaker 1: probably a deeper issue I need to work with um
Speaker 1: with someone about but UM. When I first started seeing her,
Speaker 1: I was in this like really bad relationship that was
Speaker 1: like really destroying my life. Like and uh, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of times about if I was still with
Speaker 1: that person, I'm like, I don't think nothing in my
Speaker 1: life would be the same, Like I probably would have
Speaker 1: gotten her pregnant at some point. I would have never
Speaker 1: moved to Los Angeles. I would never like, you know,
Speaker 1: reconnect with Alice, like like everything in my life would
Speaker 1: be different if it wasn't for that um and you know,
Speaker 1: and there's I think we all have those types of
Speaker 1: like I don't call it a turning point, but we
Speaker 1: all have those moments where like, God, if I had
Speaker 1: done this thing different, yeah, yeah, my life would be
Speaker 1: so much worse than it is now. And you just
Speaker 1: have to like somethings like reflect on those decisions and
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I know what I'm doing right, but yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you have you found that beneficial senior therapist? Again?
Speaker 1: I forgot. I feel like an idiot for not going
Speaker 1: for so long, because I really think even if you
Speaker 1: don't have any I really I'm on those people where
Speaker 1: I'm like, even if you don't have anything like going on,
Speaker 1: like uh, you're not struggling with anything that you know of,
Speaker 1: I really think everyone can benefit from It's yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 1: It's always it's always those Uh. That's like Jenny and
Speaker 1: I have said this before, probably on here, but it's
Speaker 1: probably when we first started where we'd go into those
Speaker 1: couple therapy sessions and we kind of stay to each
Speaker 1: other like we don't really should we cancel because we
Speaker 1: don't really have anything. And those are the days that
Speaker 1: we go in and just you know, can of worms
Speaker 1: is open and we're like, what just happened? You know,
Speaker 1: because you said you feel like you're you're in this
Speaker 1: like dormant state that you have nothing going on, nothing
Speaker 1: to talk about. But I got I gotta do is
Speaker 1: sit in a room, just start talking. That stuff comes out, man.
Speaker 1: And it's it's been bothering me being back in Nashville,
Speaker 1: not having my therapist from l A on a regular basis.
Speaker 1: You know, We've done some phone sessions, but it's not
Speaker 1: the same as being in person. But I've just been
Speaker 1: in Nashville. There's a lot going on. Jenna and I
Speaker 1: have a lot of projects we're working on. You know,
Speaker 1: we've talked about how being back in Nashville is a
Speaker 1: little bit harder on a relationship. Right now, we're still
Speaker 1: trying to navigate it um and so I don't have
Speaker 1: that person to talk to to go see and it's
Speaker 1: it's really starting to weigh on me because I have
Speaker 1: all these all these like feelings like going on that
Speaker 1: I just honestly, I feel like a lot of them
Speaker 1: have come outsideways and I haven't been able to rest
Speaker 1: them in the best ways to Janna, and you know,
Speaker 1: probably because that we're in a rough spot right now
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it sucks, and you know, she's
Speaker 1: been here shooting a movie. I've been at home with
Speaker 1: Jolie working on some other projects we've got going on
Speaker 1: and take care of things there. And so it's just
Speaker 1: not having that regular just outlet of just talking things out,
Speaker 1: you know, and trying to navigate it yourself. So the
Speaker 1: past two months have really been an eye opener for
Speaker 1: me just being like I really need therapy, you know,
Speaker 1: like I need to find someone on a regular basis
Speaker 1: physically in front of me in Nashville. And at first
Speaker 1: I was just too biased towards my therapist in l
Speaker 1: A because I was just like, the biggest thing is
Speaker 1: telling everyone your story, right exactly. You don't especially with
Speaker 1: think Janna and I have a story. It's like, alright, Doc,
Speaker 1: how much time to goat because uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: gotta catch up to speak here. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: loaded information coming your way. Yeah, you know, I I
Speaker 1: have been doing phone My therapis is in my hometown
Speaker 1: in Santa Cruz, California, and I've been doing phone sessions
Speaker 1: and it's it isn't it's it's not the same. And
Speaker 1: and that's a reason why I haven't. I haven't even
Speaker 1: tried to find someone in l A because not only
Speaker 1: did I see her before, but she, um, she saw
Speaker 1: my sister when my parents were getting divorced, so she
Speaker 1: knows like all about my family all but my parents
Speaker 1: and everything. And like it's the idea of getting someone
Speaker 1: else up to speed is so daunting, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: because then you're gonna spend part of these sessions, some
Speaker 1: not even part of a lot of these sessions end
Speaker 1: up being like, well let me tell you about this
Speaker 1: real quick so you can get the context, you know.
Speaker 1: But there these people are professionals and they pick up
Speaker 1: on this stuff pretty quick. Um. But yeah, before we
Speaker 1: move forward with some more stuff we gotta talk about,
Speaker 1: let's take a break. All right, We're back from our break.
Speaker 1: It's me and East in here. We're sitting in Jana's
Speaker 1: trailer in New Iberia, uh, just off the set site
Speaker 1: here filming her movie and uh, she might be popping
Speaker 1: in a little bit later, who knows, hopefully, But so
Speaker 1: the men have the control right now. And you guys
Speaker 1: are probably thinking we're gonna be talking about some nonsense.
Speaker 1: But like I just talked about, touched on for a second,
Speaker 1: Janna and I are in a rough spot, probably probably
Speaker 1: the worst consistently that we've been. Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: just been a lot of a lot more up and
Speaker 1: down than we have had recently. Now, the good thing,
Speaker 1: the good thing with us is we've come a long way.
Speaker 1: Because if this was a year or two ago, us
Speaker 1: up and down would be questioning the relationship, right. You
Speaker 1: would be like, I'm gonna divorce you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: divorce you and you know you're like that game. And
Speaker 1: but now that this is the difference is that we realize, no,
Speaker 1: that's not an option. We're not going to get to
Speaker 1: that level. We're not going to play that game. We're
Speaker 1: gonna work this out, we're gonna figure out what's going on.
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep fighting for our family, for each other.
Speaker 1: But it's it's been one of those things I'm sure
Speaker 1: everyone can relate in their relationship. You're just getting a rut,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's just like, what
Speaker 1: and even with all the work that Jan and I've
Speaker 1: had and all the you know, guidance and help and everything,
Speaker 1: it's still right now we're kind of stuck. It's like, wait,
Speaker 1: what do we do to to to you know, get
Speaker 1: the paddles and jump start this, you know, clear and
Speaker 1: jump start us back and just kind of you know,
Speaker 1: kind of get back there dune Alison ever go like
Speaker 1: you guys go through ruts and what has helped you? Guys? Um?
Speaker 1: You know, our our marriage is so new, right, we
Speaker 1: haven't there's times where like, well bicker more than normal,
Speaker 1: but uh we we haven't. Um, we haven't had any
Speaker 1: like real ruts yet. And I do I attribute that
Speaker 1: to like, we just haven't had the time. I'm sure
Speaker 1: that will happen. Did this did this most recent like
Speaker 1: like like what you're feeling right now? Did this kind
Speaker 1: of start before she left to film the movie? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it did. And it was just it's just been
Speaker 1: the combination of being back in Nashville working on projects
Speaker 1: that we're working on, and we it's hard. It's hard
Speaker 1: to work together, it really is. We work in two
Speaker 1: completely different styles two completely different ways, and that's just
Speaker 1: how it is. Janna is planned and scheduled and and
Speaker 1: wants to know exactly I'm gonna do this from this time,
Speaker 1: this time, this day, I'm gonna do this, and I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit more laws by fair where I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start working on this, and if it's just
Speaker 1: not working that day, I'm not gonna force it. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do something else productive, but I'm gonna I always
Speaker 1: get it done. But it's like Janna starts to get
Speaker 1: stressed out if it's not on her schedule. She starts
Speaker 1: to lose it, and then you know, thinks I'm not
Speaker 1: working hard or thinks I'm procrastinating, which is like a
Speaker 1: trigger word for me because my parents always used to
Speaker 1: use that word with me, and I hate it. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'll just be like, just because I'm not
Speaker 1: working the way you do, doesn't mean I'm procrastinating. I
Speaker 1: was like, I wouldn't have gotten to the place I
Speaker 1: did my life with my former career if I was
Speaker 1: a procrastinator, you know what I mean, Like I have
Speaker 1: something to hang my hat on at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, like a little bit of of you know,
Speaker 1: kind of leverage here, I guess, um, but it's but no,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's been since beforehand and um yeah, and
Speaker 1: so we're just trying to navigate. Don't help that she's
Speaker 1: out of town right now. But I'm curious and I'll
Speaker 1: be curious for p well listening to send emails in
Speaker 1: I would just love to get other ideas on what
Speaker 1: people do in their relationships to jump start people that
Speaker 1: are even if they're just boyfriend girlfriend who married for
Speaker 1: multiple years and have kids, Like, what do you guys
Speaker 1: do two when you're in a rut in your relationship?
Speaker 1: What do you do? You know? And the thing is,
Speaker 1: what's hard, especially when you have two stubborn personalities like
Speaker 1: Janna and I, is it takes one person to put
Speaker 1: down their their sword and shield. First, you gotta put
Speaker 1: it down and come in. The problem is is that
Speaker 1: if you do that and you get burned and the
Speaker 1: other person doesn't meet you there, then that wall wants
Speaker 1: to go up even you know, even faster and harder
Speaker 1: and taller and thicker, and then you don't want to
Speaker 1: kind of come up, come out of there. And that's
Speaker 1: kind of been the battle between Jana and I and
Speaker 1: I think that's why it's lingered, just because we've both
Speaker 1: had our moments of trying to lean in and put
Speaker 1: our guard down, and the other person just wasn't ready,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And we weren't willing. We're
Speaker 1: both being stubborn and weren't willing to meet each other
Speaker 1: in that place. And so that while we'll go back
Speaker 1: up and push this further apart, you know, so it's
Speaker 1: I'll just really be curious. I love feedback on what
Speaker 1: other people do. That's a wind down, and I hurt
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Speaker 1: session with Mike and Easton. Right now, lay down on
Speaker 1: the couch. Later we're both sitting on the couch, um
Speaker 1: but no, so we're talking about being in the ret
Speaker 1: in a relationship. What do people to to jump start
Speaker 1: things and get out of that, you know? And for me,
Speaker 1: what I've what I found that has helped me at
Speaker 1: least be the one to lower my shield or my
Speaker 1: wall is I'll usually do some reading, some like meditational stuff,
Speaker 1: some reading and you know, all those kind of things
Speaker 1: and proverbs about you know, something only has has as
Speaker 1: much power on you as you give it, like that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Right, if you don't give something power,
Speaker 1: then it won't affect you. And so I want to
Speaker 1: I want to be that way more in my life.
Speaker 1: I want to live like that and be just a
Speaker 1: calm person. And in so many aspects of my life
Speaker 1: I am so many and now was a that was
Speaker 1: a one of my biggest traits in former careers, whether
Speaker 1: football or Shales or whatever. I was calm, cool, collected.
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, when it comes to personal relationships, especially
Speaker 1: romantic relationships, I am volatile. Interesting. It's I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's because it's more personal and I take things
Speaker 1: more personal because it's a relationship, but it's just I'm
Speaker 1: just way more you know, up and down. When uh,
Speaker 1: if Janet comes to you with a like she's upset
Speaker 1: with something, do you find like do you find yourself
Speaker 1: I don't want to say losing control, but like do
Speaker 1: you react like aggressively or defensively? Like because that because
Speaker 1: I too am a calm person. I mean, you know me,
Speaker 1: but I do I find myself? Like if Alison comes
Speaker 1: to me with something I like, she'll say like easter,
Speaker 1: imply is lower your voice and like I don't start
Speaker 1: like screaming, but I do get like more animated and yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's that's my thing. To Janna. Janna be like,
Speaker 1: WHOA calm down, Like, I'm just I'm not angry or yelling.
Speaker 1: I'm just animated. I'm passionate. I love screaming. I am calm,
Speaker 1: like I'm only angry when you say I'm angry. But
Speaker 1: you know it's if she comes to me like that,
Speaker 1: I've always unfortunately a character defect of mine is being defensive.
Speaker 1: It really is, and I admit that I own that.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to work on it um And again, I
Speaker 1: think it's just because in relationships, I take everything personal.
Speaker 1: So when when she comes to me and said, it's
Speaker 1: for me, it's all about delivery. And maybe maybe I'm
Speaker 1: overly sensitive in my expectation to how I need something delivered.
Speaker 1: But depending on the situations, sometimes I need like a
Speaker 1: little affirmation before before or they before she brings the
Speaker 1: problem to me, like, hey, honey, I know you're you've
Speaker 1: been working really hard on this project that we're working on, um,
Speaker 1: but you know I have some fears around it not
Speaker 1: getting done in time, and you know, can we talk
Speaker 1: about this instead of uh so, what are you doing today? Okay,
Speaker 1: oh you're not done with that yet, or you know
Speaker 1: why we're gonna be behind? Like I told you this
Speaker 1: was gonna happen if you didn't procrastinate, like this wouldn't happen,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So there's there's just ways
Speaker 1: to to to deliver things and both of us can
Speaker 1: be better at that. UM. I think Janna. Janna is
Speaker 1: a little bit more candid when it comes to out
Speaker 1: than I am, because she's used to handling people like
Speaker 1: that because of the business aspect of the careers that
Speaker 1: she has been in with entertainment music, Like you gotta
Speaker 1: be direct to the point, candid, no bs, like tell
Speaker 1: me what the reality is exactly you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and get things done. And that's how Janna is. And
Speaker 1: when she said people that work for her or with
Speaker 1: her or whatever it may be, Janna likes the answers
Speaker 1: she cuts. She cuts to the bs where you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a salesa guy. You know, I'm gray. I live
Speaker 1: in the grade. Baby, Yeah, A little bit, this a
Speaker 1: little bit of that, you know. So it's a it's
Speaker 1: a little We're just different. We're different, you know, we're
Speaker 1: different people were all different people in different human beings
Speaker 1: and we're trying to make it work. But it's just no,
Speaker 1: it's just it's hard, man. And like learning trying to
Speaker 1: have teach yourself when you when you have a reaction
Speaker 1: that is like you know that you go to like
Speaker 1: like if you said you get defensive. Um, it's so
Speaker 1: hard to It's it's like learning to walk with like
Speaker 1: another left foot, you know. Like it just feels so
Speaker 1: at least for me, like when when when there's a
Speaker 1: conflict and I'm finding myself kind of acting unhealthy just
Speaker 1: because that's what I go to and like I have
Speaker 1: to like talk myself through and it's so hard because
Speaker 1: it feels so natural at the time, you know, but
Speaker 1: then then you know it turns out to be better
Speaker 1: for everybody. But it's it's just it's so hard, especially
Speaker 1: when you're with someone and the way that they're handling
Speaker 1: the conflict is so much different than the way you do.
Speaker 1: It really is and it's you know, full disclosure, Like
Speaker 1: I've gone to anger management, I've done all that. I
Speaker 1: had a great therapist in Los Angeles that I saw
Speaker 1: for probably a year and a half of the time
Speaker 1: that we were there, and dig amazing work with her,
Speaker 1: and she's definitely helped me tremendously. But it's it's still
Speaker 1: a lot of those things that I deal with where
Speaker 1: it is just I'm just still trying to change those
Speaker 1: ways of how I receive, how I take information. And
Speaker 1: it sounds so simple just to just for someone to
Speaker 1: say something and for you to not to take it
Speaker 1: personally and just be like, Okay, I'm sorry that you
Speaker 1: feel the way that you do, and just being able
Speaker 1: to live in your reality because my thing is where
Speaker 1: it comes from is even if I know my truth
Speaker 1: is the truth, right, regardless of what Jan or anybody
Speaker 1: else thinks, right, I know what the truth is. I
Speaker 1: know that I'm working hard on this, or I know
Speaker 1: that I did this, or whatever it may be. I
Speaker 1: hate that, even though I know it's the truth. If
Speaker 1: Janna thinks I'm not a hard worker, or somebody else
Speaker 1: thinks I'm a bad person or whatever it is, that's
Speaker 1: where my defensiveness comes up. I'm like, it drives me
Speaker 1: nuts to think that someone has an opinion of me
Speaker 1: that's not what I wanted to be, especially when it
Speaker 1: comes to certain things, not everything. There's something I don't
Speaker 1: care if you think that. I mean, I really don't care.
Speaker 1: I know that's on the truth. There's certain things like
Speaker 1: being a respectful person, being a hard worker, um being
Speaker 1: you know nowadays, definitely being someone who's honest and lives
Speaker 1: within tech or be and stuff like that. Someone challenges
Speaker 1: those kind of things that have really, you know, changed
Speaker 1: gears in my life to to really be those that
Speaker 1: kind of person. If that gets challenged, that's what I take.
Speaker 1: Just personally. I'm just like, no, you don't understand, like
Speaker 1: I am a good person. You know. It's just like
Speaker 1: maybe and maybe it's because you know I was before
Speaker 1: in a lot of those aspects, especially in relationships, and
Speaker 1: maybe that's why. Because I'm I'm I'm trying so hard
Speaker 1: to be a much better person than was before. It's like,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't I be take that personal? I don't have
Speaker 1: the track record to be confident in my truth. Really honestly,
Speaker 1: I can't be like, I don't care what you think
Speaker 1: about me. I'm a great person. I've been a great,
Speaker 1: spousing boyfriend my entire life. But it's like, no, you haven't,
Speaker 1: but now I am. But why do I why do
Speaker 1: I have to defend that? And I think I really
Speaker 1: do think it's a it's a male thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a distinctly male thing. Um. Uh, but I totally
Speaker 1: understand it. It's so hard to let your like you
Speaker 1: were saying though, Like saying that about a situation is
Speaker 1: so much easier to say than when you're in it,
Speaker 1: and you know, uh and trying to like walk yourself
Speaker 1: through a different way. And God is just like did
Speaker 1: you did you ever go see like a therapist before? Um?
Speaker 1: Like the sex action stuff and everything? Uh? Yes and
Speaker 1: no yes, because Jan and I went to see her
Speaker 1: couples or her individual therapist as our couple's therapist when
Speaker 1: I first move to Nashville. Um, but it wasn't really
Speaker 1: beneficial because I'll lyne you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it was like going to therapy and lying because I
Speaker 1: wasn't being a faithful or on his part. So it
Speaker 1: didn't do anything because I was just full of shit.
Speaker 1: So no, not really, not until after did everything I learned,
Speaker 1: like how to have healthy and therapy and how it
Speaker 1: can be beneficial. Do you have any emails? We do have?
Speaker 1: Um enough about our problem? All right, here we go.
Speaker 1: This one is from Courtney. Alright, Courtney, She says, uh, Hi,
Speaker 1: Janna and Mike and Easton. My boyfriend cheated on me
Speaker 1: at a bachelor party a few months ago. He was
Speaker 1: completely remorseful and embarrassed. The situation has been traumatic for
Speaker 1: both of us. He knew he messed up big time.
Speaker 1: After many, many talks about what happened and how we
Speaker 1: can move forward to come out stronger, I've decided to
Speaker 1: stay and make it work. The only thing that seems
Speaker 1: to be weighing me down is what my family and
Speaker 1: friends think. They're all aware of what happened. My boyfriend
Speaker 1: wrote my parents a letter, and I keep having ambiguous
Speaker 1: conversations with them. I want their approval, of course, but
Speaker 1: how do you recommend talk to them about this? How
Speaker 1: do you recommend justifying why I decided to stay? Great
Speaker 1: great email, Courtney. Um. First of all, great decision to stay,
Speaker 1: especially because of his actions, the fact that he's been remorseful,
Speaker 1: you know, empathetic, understanding of her feelings, it seems like,
Speaker 1: and is willing to talk about it. Isn't defending and saying,
Speaker 1: you know anything as a bachelor party like what you
Speaker 1: know whatever. He's not excusing or rationalizing or justifying any
Speaker 1: of the behavior. And the fact, the biggest thing right
Speaker 1: here the fact that he wrote your parents a letter
Speaker 1: and was willing to address that and speak to them.
Speaker 1: That speaks volumes of I think his character. Yes, he
Speaker 1: cheated on you, so it still sucks, but the fact
Speaker 1: that he's willing to do that, because I know plenty
Speaker 1: of guys who still continuously want to sweep it under
Speaker 1: the rug and don't want to address it or haven't
Speaker 1: addressed it with any of their spouses, families, or friends
Speaker 1: or anything, because a lot of them don't know anything.
Speaker 1: NASA is coming from the addiction side because of the anonymity,
Speaker 1: which is understandable, but coming from someone who has had
Speaker 1: to do that and face that that it sucks. But ultimately,
Speaker 1: your family should follow your lead, and if you choose
Speaker 1: to love him and choose to stay, then they should
Speaker 1: love and support you for that. They don't have to
Speaker 1: like him right now. Jane's family they didn't like me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But they all pretty much
Speaker 1: told me, look, we stick with Janna. She's gonna give
Speaker 1: you a che We'll give you a chance. But and
Speaker 1: that's it. It took me a long time to earn
Speaker 1: their their love and their likeness back, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It took me a couple of years. So
Speaker 1: the fact that he was willing to do that, I
Speaker 1: really think is what you need to hang your hat on.
Speaker 1: And you go to your parents and be like, look,
Speaker 1: be confident in it, and be like, hey, he's owning
Speaker 1: his mistakes. He was willing to talk to you about it.
Speaker 1: I love him. I'm choosing to stay. I hope you
Speaker 1: guys support me as my parents to do so. If not,
Speaker 1: then I'm sorry you feel that way, but I'm going
Speaker 1: to stay with him. Done and a conversation unless unless
Speaker 1: they want to say something supportive, it's the end of
Speaker 1: the conversation. And then you leave. That's it. It's good advice. Ah.
Speaker 1: Thanks thanks for writing that, Courtney. UM, hope everything works
Speaker 1: out for the best. I hope. Yeah, follow up with us.
Speaker 1: I would love to hear about how it goes, if
Speaker 1: if and when you have that conversation with your parents. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: The next one is from uh Sarah Uh, she says, Um.
Speaker 1: She loves the podcast. First of all, I just want
Speaker 1: to throw it in there. Uh. She's a twenty two
Speaker 1: years old starting grad school this month. Um. I've only
Speaker 1: seen healthy relationships growing up. Both sets of grandparents were
Speaker 1: married over fifty years. My parents are celebrating their thirty
Speaker 1: coming up. She loves the idea of love, but she's
Speaker 1: afraid of experiencing it. She says, I've been flirting with
Speaker 1: my brother's old college roommate off and on for the
Speaker 1: past few years, and recently we have gone on a
Speaker 1: few dates that were a lot of fun, as the
Speaker 1: first time it actually felt like something could come from
Speaker 1: all the flirting. However, after the first few days, he
Speaker 1: got a job that placed him over four d fifty
Speaker 1: miles away. I find myself not trying anymore because I'm
Speaker 1: afraid to get to attached. Since his job in schooling
Speaker 1: has us far apart for at least two more years.
Speaker 1: He's one of my brother's closest friends. Our families don't know,
Speaker 1: and it's hard for me to take a trip out
Speaker 1: just to see him. But she's afraid of getting too
Speaker 1: close to this guy, right, because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that are probably pointing towards it. Its demise, you know, right,
Speaker 1: And she's only been been exposed to healthy, loving relationships
Speaker 1: from what she said at the beginning, right, so she
Speaker 1: hasn't really seen the turmoil. But no one is really
Speaker 1: naive and understands that love hurts. Uh Sarah is her name, Okay.
Speaker 1: From my point of view, and my opinion is, it's
Speaker 1: a very tricky situation because you know, brother's best friend
Speaker 1: or or express friend or whatever it is, brother's friend,
Speaker 1: and the distance and you're twenty two years old, so
Speaker 1: just I mean, I'm ten years older than you. It's
Speaker 1: not a lot, but you grow a lot between twenty
Speaker 1: two and thirty two. For sure, that's probably when you
Speaker 1: do your most developing, Like I think mentally is probably
Speaker 1: like between that time frame, and so I would just say,
Speaker 1: don't put all your eggs in that basket. But also,
Speaker 1: don't be scared. Don't don't let your fear of love
Speaker 1: be the thing that stops you. If you really think
Speaker 1: that it's something worth pursuing, then you do what you
Speaker 1: gotta do and jump through the hoops to make it work.
Speaker 1: Whether that you're telling your families that you guys wanted
Speaker 1: to see each other so you can travel for fifty
Speaker 1: miles away to go see him, you know, or you
Speaker 1: just realize that you're twenty two, you're going into grad school.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be busy, He's going to be busy with
Speaker 1: work and what he's doing. Just be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I care about him, I like him, but this isn't
Speaker 1: the time to jump into something that's that far away
Speaker 1: from each other. That's you him. You've had some good
Speaker 1: times with him and nothing will change that. But you know,
Speaker 1: there's I wish there's so many times in my early
Speaker 1: twenties I wish I would have just made the right decision. No,
Speaker 1: we know is the right decision, just to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this probably isn't gonna work out, instead of just sticking
Speaker 1: with it for because either I didn't want to hurt them,
Speaker 1: or I didn't want to get hurt or because it
Speaker 1: seemed like the easier thing, but it just makes it
Speaker 1: harder down the road. So if you really have that
Speaker 1: much fear around it, save yourself a little bit of
Speaker 1: heartache or pain and make it easier in yourself now
Speaker 1: before you do get too attached, and you know, then
Speaker 1: things really go south. But again, at the same time,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want her to to not try
Speaker 1: because she's scared of love. But I get it. Man,
Speaker 1: Yeah it hurt. But hey, you know, maybe maybe you
Speaker 1: say I don't want to say say goodbye because you're
Speaker 1: not like kind this guy of your life, but you're not.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe a couple of years goes by, he
Speaker 1: moves back. You never know. Yeah, and that's where the
Speaker 1: whole kind of you know, if it's meant to be,
Speaker 1: it's meant to be. I mean, that's getting a little
Speaker 1: you know, uh, destiny talking. But but it's true. You're right,
Speaker 1: it's you're young, and if if it is, it is,
Speaker 1: you know, and and just I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: don't rush in that indecision, you know. But else, if
Speaker 1: you we're going back and forth, we could justify both sides, okay,
Speaker 1: but Sarah, just do what you think is right, and
Speaker 1: well you could decide just go and but I will
Speaker 1: say this though, before we move on, is my one
Speaker 1: of my college roommates, him and his now wife who's pregnant.
Speaker 1: They spent the first oh man three years after college
Speaker 1: community between Baltimore and New York actually Baltimore, Connecticut, really
Speaker 1: three years long. To wow, they made it work. You know,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of sacrifice, a lot of travel. Now, granted,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different ways to travel between Baltimore
Speaker 1: and New York. Train, plane, bus, car, you name it.
Speaker 1: But it's I mean, it's about that four hour you know,
Speaker 1: fours four hours something like that. It's it's it's possible.
Speaker 1: So I mean, it is possible, but it all depends
Speaker 1: on your priority. All right, So we're gonna bring a
Speaker 1: guest on. We're gonna bring on Daniel, who is a
Speaker 1: fantastic person an even better producer, and he's the producer on,
Speaker 1: uh this movie that Jan is here filming for a lifetime.
Speaker 1: And you've done how many of one of the movie,
Speaker 1: two of the movies with Janna one of the movie,
Speaker 1: And uh, how's it been going so far? For this
Speaker 1: this go around? It's going pretty good. I think I've
Speaker 1: decided that doing a Christmas movie in August in Louisiana
Speaker 1: is never gonna happen again. So we're talking about this earlier.
Speaker 1: So why do you guys do that? Because the last
Speaker 1: one you did was the Mississippi one? Right, right, So
Speaker 1: like why not have done the movie six months ago
Speaker 1: in February or something? Yeah, I mean it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a good question. I always get that all the time,
Speaker 1: and the answer is, um, you know, networks don't really
Speaker 1: know what type of product that they're gonna want the
Speaker 1: following year. So we're making these movies development, developing them
Speaker 1: with the network. Right, So they're going to release their
Speaker 1: slate this October, November, December. They're going to kind of
Speaker 1: evaluate the ratings, make a decision, look at budgets, and say, okay,
Speaker 1: we did twenty eight this year. Lifetime is doing original
Speaker 1: Christmas movies this year, which is which is insane, right Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so um uh, you know I'm lucky enough to
Speaker 1: have two of those that did one in May, um
Speaker 1: and then doing this one now, and um, you know
Speaker 1: they're gonna evaluate the ratings, look at budgets, and kind
Speaker 1: of make decisions on what do we want for our slate?
Speaker 1: How many how many slots were we filling? Which movies
Speaker 1: work for us, which one is didn't. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: start developing these movies and pitching them to them around September, October, November.
Speaker 1: And by the time they're making decisions and and putting
Speaker 1: out contracts, you're looking at you know, jan fab March, right,
Speaker 1: And so now we're kind of like getting deep into
Speaker 1: the script and the development process. And because we're working
Speaker 1: with the network, there's a lot of people that are
Speaker 1: involved and putting hands on it and eyes on it.
Speaker 1: So by the time we have a script that's ready
Speaker 1: to shoot, you know, it's it's now April May, and
Speaker 1: if you have to to do like you know, I'm
Speaker 1: lucky enough to have I did one in May, kind
Speaker 1: of wrap it up in June, catch my breath, start
Speaker 1: start prepping another one, and here we are in August. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's gonna be a hard pass doing a
Speaker 1: Christmas movie in August in Louisiana. Ever again, I think
Speaker 1: I'll I'll come up to Nashville and sleep in your
Speaker 1: guest room. Um. But yeah, it's it's it's going well,
Speaker 1: I mean really the main two elements that we're fighting
Speaker 1: um right now is during the summer. You know, you
Speaker 1: get that midday kind of pop up storm that happens
Speaker 1: and it's really unpredictable, and then just the heat. I
Speaker 1: mean it's just so brutal. Uh. You know. Fortunately, working
Speaker 1: with three of the six actors on this movie, um,
Speaker 1: I worked with with them doing Christmas movies in the
Speaker 1: middle of summer, so they knew what they were getting into,
Speaker 1: including Janna, so um uh and she's uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I must say I was. I was mentioning to her
Speaker 1: just working with her two years ago and Christmas in
Speaker 1: Mississippi and working with her now. It's just it's just
Speaker 1: exciting to work with her again. And you know, it
Speaker 1: just I haven't seen her since then, and and uh
Speaker 1: just kind of seeing where she is now, it's like
Speaker 1: so just so impressive. It's like so much growth, and
Speaker 1: you know, seeing her with you know, being a mom
Speaker 1: too kids. It's just it's so cool to see her
Speaker 1: like do the double duty thing. Um. But yeah, we're
Speaker 1: having a good time and and uh, I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to things settling down in week two so I can
Speaker 1: spend a little more time on set. Absolutely what's been
Speaker 1: you know for And even when I when I first
Speaker 1: started going on sets with Jenna, I'm like, what does
Speaker 1: the producer do? Right, So for listeners out there, like
Speaker 1: explain the elevator pitch for a producer on set, like
Speaker 1: what you're doing on a daily basis. So I would
Speaker 1: kind of compare it to a general contractor, right, So
Speaker 1: you're pretty much, you know, the guy who's in charge
Speaker 1: of hiring all the subs and managing your budget and
Speaker 1: making sure that the jobs getting done at the quality
Speaker 1: and at the price point that you want for your
Speaker 1: ultimate you know buyer. So I I typically compare it
Speaker 1: to to building a house. And so that's really my
Speaker 1: responsibility is I try to get the best subs possible.
Speaker 1: So you know, um, not too simplify it in that way,
Speaker 1: but my director, my DP, my production designer DP is
Speaker 1: is director of photography who's in charge of all the lighting. Um.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's interesting about making movies and it's
Speaker 1: also very complex is that you know, really every single
Speaker 1: craft out there we utilize in the film industry. So
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's so great to like talk
Speaker 1: to people in all the different walks of life because
Speaker 1: when you're making a movie, it's really when everybody comes together,
Speaker 1: from a chef to an account to a hair hairstylist,
Speaker 1: to an actor, to a storyteller to somebody who can,
Speaker 1: you know, rig up lights and run cable and drive trucks.
Speaker 1: You get all these personalities together and then you throw
Speaker 1: in all these different specific unions that govern the different
Speaker 1: personalities and you have to just keep the ship moving
Speaker 1: in the right direction. And and it's just it's a challenge.
Speaker 1: So it's as a producer, you're really just responsible for
Speaker 1: hiring the right people, doing what you can to stay
Speaker 1: out of the way, let them do their thing. And
Speaker 1: when and when the you know the the ship is
Speaker 1: going down the wrong path, you just try to straighten
Speaker 1: it up a little bit. And so that's that's really
Speaker 1: my job. So at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 1: my crew makes me look good. The actress made me
Speaker 1: look good, and and I'm appreciative of that because you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know the first thing about doing what they're doing.
Speaker 1: I just know how to find good people. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like you're put your spend a lot of days
Speaker 1: that kind of putting out fires, absolutely, taking care of problems,
Speaker 1: problem solving. Jana was Janna was giving me the other
Speaker 1: day about you. Uh no, she was gonna be like,
Speaker 1: you're never on set, never see you, what are you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, if I'm on set, then ultimately that means
Speaker 1: that things are things are gonna get a little dicey
Speaker 1: as we move from this location to the next. I'm
Speaker 1: always just one step ahead and making sure that you know,
Speaker 1: once we landed a new location or dealing with other elements,
Speaker 1: that we're gonna be prepared. And um, you know, I
Speaker 1: do like sitting on set, but at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, you know, unfortunately I have to kind of
Speaker 1: get out in front. Well, and it's kind of boring
Speaker 1: sitting on set after a while totally. Well, look, the
Speaker 1: thing is is because I'm also financially responsible for, you know,
Speaker 1: the final cost of the movie at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. Um, and uh, when I'm on set, like
Speaker 1: I'm just terrified, like every everything that I'm saying, it's
Speaker 1: like if the if the camera is is like about
Speaker 1: to tilt over, my heart dropping, like like you know,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just ignorance, is bliss? You just rather
Speaker 1: not see or rather not well this morning, you know
Speaker 1: this morning, we're trying to shoot you know, the introduction
Speaker 1: between uh, you know, Janna and her male co star,
Speaker 1: Percy DAGs and um, it's the first time they meet
Speaker 1: in the movie, and we're supposed to have this dog
Speaker 1: sort of like run up to Janna wearing reindeer ears
Speaker 1: and and the dog just was not interested. And so
Speaker 1: you know, we we you know, we don't shoot these
Speaker 1: movies in sequential order, and so we've already established and
Speaker 1: what we shot before we got here today. We've already
Speaker 1: talked about the dog. We've already kind of interwoven him
Speaker 1: into the story. So had we shot this scene first,
Speaker 1: I would have said, Okay, we're gonna rewrite the script,
Speaker 1: get the dog out of the way. We're just gonna
Speaker 1: keep moving. But instead, we really tried to figure out
Speaker 1: how do we make this dog do what it needs
Speaker 1: to do? And so we had peanut butter and you know,
Speaker 1: legs a little movie magic, you know, once you see
Speaker 1: it all all cut together, but it's it's it's always
Speaker 1: just really funny interesting things. Why is it that movies
Speaker 1: are filmed in not insequential order? Like, what is the
Speaker 1: theory behind that? Well, I mean the main reason is
Speaker 1: is um, first of all your locations, right, so you
Speaker 1: know we might uh, as an example, you know, we
Speaker 1: started this movie. The first four days we shot in
Speaker 1: all of the house, so you know, we might open
Speaker 1: up the movie in the house, and twenty minutes later
Speaker 1: we might have a scene in the house, and you know,
Speaker 1: thirty minutes later another scene in the house. So if
Speaker 1: if you were to shoot an insequential order, you'd have
Speaker 1: to be sort of in a one location type scenario. Um. Also,
Speaker 1: you know, you have what's called turnaround at the end
Speaker 1: of the day. Um, and everybody's turnaround is different depending
Speaker 1: on what their actors or you know, laborers, etcetera. But UM,
Speaker 1: you know, if we're doing a night shoot and we're
Speaker 1: you know, called times at seven pm and we're shoot
Speaker 1: until the sun comes up, well, you know you can't
Speaker 1: the next day then shoot daytime stuff because you know,
Speaker 1: you've got to give people enough time to shut their
Speaker 1: eyes a little bit. And um, you know. So that's
Speaker 1: that's really the main reason why. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: one of those things. I'm a big movie go or,
Speaker 1: like I love movies, Eastern loves movies, and it's I'm
Speaker 1: fascinated by the behind behind the scenes stuff, even though
Speaker 1: sitting there for a while you're like, all right, I'm
Speaker 1: ready to go home. But it's it's almost like I
Speaker 1: feel like a kid. Sometimes I'd rather not know because
Speaker 1: I'm such a believer on what I see on screen.
Speaker 1: But like, I don't want to know that you didn't
Speaker 1: shoot everything in a row. I don't want to know
Speaker 1: that this isn't in order, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So like, as a movie goer, was that something like
Speaker 1: for you you just always had that mind on the
Speaker 1: on the back end, or you know, of no, this
Speaker 1: is how it works. Is I'm gonna do my job
Speaker 1: and you're just all business, or was any part of
Speaker 1: you like, oh, this is just not what I imagined. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I never uh, I never knew
Speaker 1: I was gonna be in the film industry, you know,
Speaker 1: I just, um, I've always just been good with people,
Speaker 1: um and sort of had these leadership skills that I
Speaker 1: knew it would serve me well at some point um
Speaker 1: in life. And you know, I um, I graduated college
Speaker 1: uh and started working at a restaurant waiting tables, and
Speaker 1: then ended up working at Chase Bank for a couple
Speaker 1: of years and just so happened that um, uh, the
Speaker 1: guy walked into the bank. I was working at UM
Speaker 1: around two thousand four in Louisiana, and and there's tax
Speaker 1: incentives that had just passed where uh it started drawing
Speaker 1: a lot of people in and here I was, and
Speaker 1: uh I was. I was this guy's banker. And he
Speaker 1: was a film producer who had just moved here from
Speaker 1: l A And uh so I was his banker for
Speaker 1: about a year and we built a relationship, and um
Speaker 1: he decided to expand his operation and he said, look,
Speaker 1: I need somebody that's good with numbers, that understands how
Speaker 1: to take a contract and monetize that is it's something
Speaker 1: you're interested. And I'm this twenty three year old kid.
Speaker 1: It's like absolutely And fortunately, you know, I got out
Speaker 1: of the banking business right you know, kind of at
Speaker 1: the right time. Um, but was sort of thrown to
Speaker 1: the holes, you know, UM kind of learned about watching
Speaker 1: what not to do. You know, my first my first
Speaker 1: kind of film job, it was just uh, um, you know,
Speaker 1: it was just it was a bit of a mess
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. And so you know, I
Speaker 1: just kind of figured out along the way and and um,
Speaker 1: kind of transition from there and started working with Kimbad
Speaker 1: Tissue I've I've worked with for a long time and uh,
Speaker 1: and now you know, I'm I'm sort of preparing to
Speaker 1: segue out onto my own but um, you know, it's
Speaker 1: been a it's been a long journey and every movie
Speaker 1: I sort of learned something new and I am always
Speaker 1: fascinated about, um, you know, how things happen and really
Speaker 1: goes on behind the scenes for sure. Two questions before
Speaker 1: we wrap up. The first thing is, I know you
Speaker 1: kind of touched on it with like, you know, the
Speaker 1: camera falling over whatever. What is your biggest fear? Like,
Speaker 1: what's the atomic bomb for a producer to happen on
Speaker 1: a movie set? Well, we went through it two years
Speaker 1: ago Christmas in Mississippi. Remember when when um so we
Speaker 1: had a hurricane that was coming. We had three days
Speaker 1: we literally shot if anybody out there saw Christmas in
Speaker 1: Mississippi with Janet Cramer and West Brown. Um we shot
Speaker 1: our first twelve days and the final three days of
Speaker 1: shooting was all the light show stuff. So when you
Speaker 1: watch um all the stuff the finale them setting up
Speaker 1: the light show. We had shot everything but that hurricanes
Speaker 1: forming in the Gulf. I had to call Force massure.
Speaker 1: I had to put every one of my actors on
Speaker 1: the airplane immediately to get them to safety. I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there with twelve of my fifteen days shot. The entire
Speaker 1: finale of the movie is not anywhere on film and
Speaker 1: all that. This is big stuff, by the way, it's
Speaker 1: it's a two point The Harbor Light Show in Gulfport,
Speaker 1: Mississippi is a two point two million dollar light show
Speaker 1: that Island View puts on. And you know, they the
Speaker 1: town put this up in the middle of the summer
Speaker 1: for us. So here they are. They're now exposed because
Speaker 1: the hurricanes coming. So they're panicking and I'm thinking if
Speaker 1: that set gets destroyed, I'm sitting here with a beautiful
Speaker 1: movie with no like literally no light show. So I
Speaker 1: and the and the problem is is thirteen actors in
Speaker 1: the scenes, and nine of them we're from from the
Speaker 1: West coast. So I had to find this is in August, Okay.
Speaker 1: I had to find three days that all thirteen people
Speaker 1: were mutually available to bring them back. And on top
Speaker 1: of that, I had to do it and finish it
Speaker 1: and deliver it for Christmas. And so we I found
Speaker 1: Labor Day week as three days. Jana's mom had gotten
Speaker 1: married up in Michigan, right, who is it her? At
Speaker 1: that point it was her cousin. Okay, so she went
Speaker 1: up to Michigan. She and so we were shooting the
Speaker 1: next morning. All my other actors are there except the
Speaker 1: star of the movie. She she calls me. She's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is not a joke. I'm at the airport. My
Speaker 1: flight's delayed like four hours. We are. Call time is
Speaker 1: at six am, so I'm like literally pressing refresh on
Speaker 1: my phone. I had to get a portable charger just
Speaker 1: to keep pressing refresh. She gets on an airplane finally,
Speaker 1: at like eleven o'clock. Emily Wilson and Greg Wilson. Emily
Speaker 1: is the director of that movie and this one. They
Speaker 1: drove to New Orleans, picked her up, and drove her
Speaker 1: back to Gulfport. I was waiting in the parking lot
Speaker 1: for her to thirty in the morning. We threw in
Speaker 1: her hotel room. Three hours later, knock on the door,
Speaker 1: throw her in the trailer, and we shot those three days,
Speaker 1: and then she rapped. I had to put her on
Speaker 1: a plane because she had a project in l A
Speaker 1: So the atomic bomb is that when you have to sit,
Speaker 1: you have to stop shooting in the middle of production
Speaker 1: and send people away and bring them back and if
Speaker 1: you can, good luck. Yeah, and I biasedly, and maybe
Speaker 1: i'm biasedly too. You probably had one of the best
Speaker 1: people to have to do that with it in Channa,
Speaker 1: because she's a workhorse and she'll just get she'll just
Speaker 1: get it done to like whatever it takes. She'll just
Speaker 1: be like, all right, let's do it. And she is
Speaker 1: a she is a pro at everything she does. She'll
Speaker 1: she'll have her moments of bit and complaining, but we
Speaker 1: all do right, anyone would in that situation, but she
Speaker 1: because she shows up and and she she takes care
Speaker 1: of business. All right. That was the net. That was
Speaker 1: the atomic bomb. Now the last thing that will wrap
Speaker 1: up with is what is that moment where you just
Speaker 1: are like something happens on the movie. Maybe it's when
Speaker 1: things are done, You're like, man, I love my job,
Speaker 1: Like being a producer is awesome because this happened. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know it's it. It sounds bad, but it's not.
Speaker 1: Literally when everybody leaves and goes home is the best
Speaker 1: moment for me because it's like, you know, I've done
Speaker 1: my job. People came together, we made up, we made
Speaker 1: a movie, and you know, we always hope it's going
Speaker 1: to be great. But the thing is when you see
Speaker 1: them out of sacrifice that people put into these movies.
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about crews working, you know, fourteen
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen hour days, you know, away from their families,
Speaker 1: away from their kids, and you know, you put your
Speaker 1: life on hold because you're so exhausted. There's literally no
Speaker 1: way to give any ounce of you to anyone else.
Speaker 1: And so it's such a relief from me when I
Speaker 1: know that there's you know, you could have some atomic
Speaker 1: bombs and post for sure, but now in the digital age,
Speaker 1: just a little bit, you know, less tricky because you're
Speaker 1: not dealing with film um on a lot of movies.
Speaker 1: But it's always great when we say that's a rap.
Speaker 1: I go around and just see everybody and thank them,
Speaker 1: and when they're when they're gone and all the equipment
Speaker 1: is turned in, and you know, it's just the best
Speaker 1: feeling in the world. But really the greatest feeling is
Speaker 1: when you when you press play on that cut for
Speaker 1: the first time and you see the see the finished product.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's the best feeling in the world.
Speaker 1: Have you had moments because I've always wondered this for
Speaker 1: someone who works in the business when because there's some
Speaker 1: movies out there they're just like terrible, right that you
Speaker 1: watched the maybe like god, this sucks it. Like have
Speaker 1: you ever worked on a film that you're a part
Speaker 1: of and when you see that first cut like posted
Speaker 1: and everything, You're just like, this isn't that good? Every
Speaker 1: one of them, honestly, every one of them. And part
Speaker 1: of it's just because I'm so I'm so critical and
Speaker 1: I really want, I really want everything to be great,
Speaker 1: you know, because these movies are made for like specific customers,
Speaker 1: and I want it's so important for them to be
Speaker 1: happy because if they're happy, it means they're ordering more.
Speaker 1: But I'm always just so every single one of them, like,
Speaker 1: oh man, that didn't really work or and it's just
Speaker 1: I'm sure you build it up to be like man,
Speaker 1: like in your head, you just have these expectations and
Speaker 1: then probably nothing really meets matches your excitement going into yeah,
Speaker 1: not going back to the house. And I'll analogy, but
Speaker 1: it's like it's like your builder calling. You're saying, hey,
Speaker 1: your your house is done. We still have a couple
Speaker 1: of tweaks, but come on out and you get out
Speaker 1: there and it's like the slab and the frame and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, well, how am I supposed to live in.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's not really the finished product,
Speaker 1: you know, but it's always good to kind of see
Speaker 1: it evolved. Typically by the third cut, you know it's
Speaker 1: it's it's looking good, and then you lay the music
Speaker 1: in and then you do the sound mix, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think that, Um, a friend of mine's on set tonight.
Speaker 1: He just him and his family came in to be
Speaker 1: an extra, and he he knows nothing about the business.
Speaker 1: He's never been on a movie set, and he's like,
Speaker 1: how in the world do y'all pull this off? Like
Speaker 1: we watch movies and you have no idea. It's insane
Speaker 1: of making a movie. Has nothing to do with a
Speaker 1: camera and an actor. It's like literally nothing. It's like
Speaker 1: there's so much that goes into it. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: got a guy right now who's like canvassing the streets
Speaker 1: looking for, you know, places that we can secure to
Speaker 1: park a hundred extras that are going to be coming
Speaker 1: into this small town. It's like it's a tiny area,
Speaker 1: So where do you park a hundred people? And then
Speaker 1: how do you get those hundred people from the parking
Speaker 1: lot to the area that they're going to be checking
Speaker 1: in and changing? And then where are you feeding them?
Speaker 1: It's like who thinks about that? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like none of us think about that, But that's like
Speaker 1: your job to think about that, which I will kudos
Speaker 1: to you, not only you know, I've got to know
Speaker 1: each other the last couple of years. You're a fantastic person, honestly,
Speaker 1: genuinely mean that. And the fact that you're able to
Speaker 1: take because you guys get different cruise no matter where
Speaker 1: you're shooting, right, It's not like you're bringing the same
Speaker 1: white people saying this the same that a few people
Speaker 1: you are, Yeah, a few people. You still have new
Speaker 1: cruise on certain things that you're working with. So the
Speaker 1: fact that you're able to take those new people, those
Speaker 1: new personalities, mold them with the ones that you have
Speaker 1: around you, and turn out a successful project is fascinating
Speaker 1: and very I mean, I don't know a lot of
Speaker 1: people that could do that. So kudos to you and
Speaker 1: what you do, man, I appreciate it. I'm happy to
Speaker 1: come on and chat with you guys, and it's been fun.
Speaker 1: You know. We're right in the middle of our final,
Speaker 1: uh final shoot day of week one, so um you know,
Speaker 1: I'm uh, well, congratulations, it's gonna be Was it Christmas
Speaker 1: on the River? No? No, No, A little surprised here.
Speaker 1: So you know, Christmas in Mississippi was Jana's last movie, right,
Speaker 1: I think we're onto something here. This one's Christmas in Louisiana.
Speaker 1: So I'm not stopping fifty states, right, Let's do it. Yeah, So, um,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll do Christmas in in Tennessee next year.
Speaker 1: How Christmas in Hawaii? All right, we'll start writing the script.
Speaker 1: I'll stay all three weeks for that one, and this
Speaker 1: will be out the holiday season on Lifetime. Yes, it will,
Speaker 1: all right. The other one I shot is called Christmas Wish.
Speaker 1: Christmas Wish starring a few of Jana's former stars at
Speaker 1: One Tree Hill. Who's in that one? Hillary Burton, Tyler,
Speaker 1: Hilton Lee Norris, Barbara Allen Woods, all sorts of. We
Speaker 1: have a lot of One Tree Hitlers that listen to
Speaker 1: this podcast naturally, so Antoine Tanner, Colin Ficis, It's it's
Speaker 1: a it's a star studded cast. So um that one
Speaker 1: and this one here, did you guys announce who's in
Speaker 1: this this film? I have not announced it's you know,
Speaker 1: said Janna Kramer. Percy DAGs the third from Veronica Marsh.
Speaker 1: We've got Moira Kelly, who's also a one tree holl Alone.
Speaker 1: She was the star of the Cut Edge Setting It,
Speaker 1: which freaked Jan out. Janna was watched that movie a
Speaker 1: thousand times. Brian McNamara from Army Wives and he was
Speaker 1: nominated for Golden Globe and Billionaire Boys Club way back
Speaker 1: in the day, and then Very Bostwick Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Speaker 1: He was the movie. But I'm excited to meet him.
Speaker 1: He was in the movie with Janna and I two
Speaker 1: years ago. He played meet him. No, no, no, he was.
Speaker 1: He came for a few days. And then d Wallace, Uh,
Speaker 1: who's the mom from ET and she was on this
Speaker 1: show last week on the podcast. Yeah, that's very cool,
Speaker 1: so UM had her on awesome. Yeah, she's been great. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you again, Daniel, appreciate your time. We're gonna wrap
Speaker 1: it up here from Yeah from New Iberia, Louisiana. Sign
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