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Speaker 1: How does a former Army major apache pilot, now pilot

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Speaker 1: Calvin Phillips, Pam Phillips, and Ed Dance Roll all murdered

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Speaker 1: in Pembroke, Kentucky in two and fifteen. The case was

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Speaker 1: Domestic Law dot com. Renowned psychologists joining US out of Manhattan.

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Speaker 1: You know her well, Karen at karen start dot com

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Speaker 1: with a sea of Karen doctor, Michelle Dupree pathologists, former

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Speaker 1: Fox seventeen News. Now, you know what when I hear

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Speaker 1: this horrific type of death. Any good cop would go there.

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Speaker 1: So let me understand Sabrina Hall, the dead guy in

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Speaker 1: the Basement, the seller Calvin Phillips was having an affair

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Speaker 1: with Kit Martin's wife. Well, that is what Christian Martin

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Speaker 1: told people, or you know, said, But I talked to

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Speaker 1: Joan Harman and said that, and she said that she

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Speaker 1: looked at kel Phillips like a father, and that was

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Speaker 1: absolutely not true. So that is what Christian Martin is saying.

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Speaker 1: But you denying that. Take a listen to Alex Apple

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Speaker 1: Fox seventeen. The state believes Kit Martin killed his neighbor

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Speaker 1: col Phillips to keep him from testifying against Martin in

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Speaker 1: military court. Martin's ex wife, Joan, had alleged that Kit

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Speaker 1: was abusive to her and her children, but the felony

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Speaker 1: allegations didn't stick. Had the facts proved, gil Joan would

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Speaker 1: have received a six figure settlement from the military. What

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Speaker 1: the defense says, though, is that their private investigator interviewed

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Speaker 1: Phillips just before his death and convinced him to testify

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Speaker 1: for Kit Martin, saying Martin's wife made up the allegations

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Speaker 1: and an attempt to ruin his career. Bond has said

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Speaker 1: that three million dollars cash at a bond hearing this week,

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Speaker 1: Martin had a small army of support in the gallery.

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Speaker 1: His daughter swears her dad is innocent. He's innocent, and

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to the truth coming out Prime Stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. These murderers take place just two weeks

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Speaker 1: before Calvin Phillips is set to testify against Kit Martin

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Speaker 1: in a court martial case where the thirty year military

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Speaker 1: vet was accused of child rape an assault of his stepson.

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Speaker 1: Investigators say the other victims were shot for being at

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Speaker 1: the wrong place at the wrong time, you know, Sabrina Hall,

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Speaker 1: formerly with Fox seventeen News, What if anything, is the

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Speaker 1: evidence against the American Airlines pilot Kit Martin. There was

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Speaker 1: such little evidence, you know. And I had called multiple times,

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Speaker 1: you know, every week to the Kentucky State Police asking

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Speaker 1: if they had any DNA evidence, and they never had anything.

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Speaker 1: And then, you know, three years go by. I'm not

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Speaker 1: a reporter anymore, but I see that Kit Mark has

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Speaker 1: finally been picked up and arrested, and I thought, Wow,

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Speaker 1: what did they get? What kind of evidence did they

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Speaker 1: finally get? I have to know this, And there was

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Speaker 1: no DNA evidence. There was no real evidence. The most

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Speaker 1: well white amending evidence. What about the fact that the

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Speaker 1: shell casing found at the scene where the victims were

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Speaker 1: shot matched and was fired from a forty five caliber

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Speaker 1: handgun found in a safe belonging to Kit Martin in

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Speaker 1: his home across the street. So his gun was the

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Speaker 1: gun that shot the victims. I call that evidence. It is,

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Speaker 1: but they found I think it was a family member

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Speaker 1: of Calvin Phillips that found that casing months after the crime,

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Speaker 1: after you know, police had already swept the place, and

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Speaker 1: so it was you know, they thought. They made an

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Speaker 1: argument that it could have been placed there by the

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Speaker 1: family that wanted to see Christian Martin convicted of the

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Speaker 1: christ Understand, let's follow that through to its logical conclusion

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Speaker 1: to suggest that that was planted. Wow, this reminds me

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Speaker 1: of the O. J. Simpson planting evidence theory. So too,

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Speaker 1: think that that evidence that gunshot casing was planted. You

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Speaker 1: would have to believe that somehow the Phillips family member

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Speaker 1: breaks into kitt Martin's home, gets his forty five caliber

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Speaker 1: out of a safe that is locked, goes back over

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Speaker 1: to the same as seller, shoots the gun, leaves the casing,

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Speaker 1: then sneaks back into Martin's home. And puts the gun

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Speaker 1: back in the safe. Is that your theory? Well, they were,

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Speaker 1: there are things that they used to shoot guns in

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Speaker 1: the backyard, and Christian Martin had shot guns in their

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Speaker 1: back art at some point in the past, so there

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Speaker 1: could have been casings there from before. Um. So that's

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Speaker 1: what their argument was. And also I don't think they

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Speaker 1: could one hundred percent prove it was from his gun. Well,

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Speaker 1: um m hmmm, Jeff Cortez, a former special agent FBI,

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Speaker 1: you can prove particular gun explain? Yeah, I mean when

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Speaker 1: the excuse me, when the when the hammer in the

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Speaker 1: in the gun goes forward and hits the the the

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Speaker 1: shell and the bullet is expelled from the weapon. You know,

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Speaker 1: there are elements within that gun that are unique to

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Speaker 1: that gun. Um. And and so through the course of

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Speaker 1: forensic analysis. Um. You know, the real experts are you know,

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Speaker 1: should be able to look at a shell casing and

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Speaker 1: make a determination. You know, I'm not going to presume

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Speaker 1: to know for sure. You know, there are certainly cases

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Speaker 1: where you know, whether whether somebody did something to the

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Speaker 1: shell casing or otherwise would make it so that you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe they couldn't make a determination. But you know, the

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Speaker 1: science is there to support their ability to usually determine,

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Speaker 1: you know, to doctor Michelle Dupree, a bullet or shell casing,

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Speaker 1: it's like a fingerprint. As a bullet hurtles down the

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Speaker 1: barrel of a gun, that gun has unique markings on

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Speaker 1: the inside of the barrel from where the gun dried

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Speaker 1: after it's created out of hot lead. Only that gun

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00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: dries that way, and as a bullet hurtles at high

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Speaker 1: speed down the down the barrel, that bullet is marked

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Speaker 1: with what we call striation marks. What you do is

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Speaker 1: you get the gun, the suspected murder weapon, shoot a bullet,

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Speaker 1: shoot it into a mattress or a tub of water,

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Speaker 1: that's what we used to do, and you get the

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00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: known bullet that you just shot, and you compare it

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Speaker 1: to the bullet taken out of the body or at

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00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: the crime scene. Under a microscope, you can see the

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00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,479
Speaker 1: same exact striation or lines on the bullet and it

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Speaker 1: looks like a fingerprint. That's how you do it. It's

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Speaker 1: not hard, yes, Nancy, that is true. However, sometimes the

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00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: bullet is so damaged that you cannot look at those. However,

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Speaker 1: if we find a casing that the bullet was in,

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Speaker 1: that came from that gun. The casing also has individual

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Speaker 1: marks from the specific gun, and lately we have found

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Speaker 1: well in the last few years that even that casing

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Speaker 1: can still have a fingerprint of the person who touched

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Speaker 1: that bullet before I actually loaded it. Yeah, and is

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Speaker 1: it true, Sibrena Hall, that Kit Martin the American Airline

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Speaker 1: pilots and dog tags were found in the victim's home

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Speaker 1: And that was another suspicious thing because it seemed like

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Speaker 1: it could have been planted there the with it was

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Speaker 1: just sat on a shelf and that's you know, the

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00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: family that wanted to see someone in jail. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that was the defense's argument. Interesting. So prosecutors also a

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00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: point to the fact that Kit Martin the American Airline

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00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: pilot cell phone tower records indicate he was inactive at

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Speaker 1: three different points on November eighteen, the day that all

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Speaker 1: of this happened. What, if anything, does that prove, Sabrina Hall, Well,

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Speaker 1: just so he had the opportunity to commit the crime.

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Speaker 1: You know. Another piece of evidence that they had was

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Speaker 1: that he set his alarm in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: night for one ten am, and that's when they believed

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Speaker 1: that he took those bodies. To the field and burned

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00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: them at one ten in the morning. His argument was

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Speaker 1: that he was checking on a kerostene heater at one

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Speaker 1: ten in the morning. Well, the murders allegedly occur, because

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00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: I know that the murders were committed and the bodies

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00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: moved and earned at the exact times Kit Martin turned

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00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: his cell phone off. Yes, and they had they had

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00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: security video of him, you know, doing mundane things throughout

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Speaker 1: the day, and he was not seen outside of the

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Speaker 1: house has midnight. You know. However, the day that week

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Speaker 1: when these murders happened, his attorney at the time before

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00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: he knew what the surveillance video showed, and he told

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Speaker 1: me that they would see kid Martin outside of the

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Speaker 1: house at two am because the dogs were barking very

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00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: loudly and so we and that never came out. So

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Speaker 1: I feel like the attorney was trying to cover some

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00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: bases there that that next day of that next week,

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Speaker 1: telling me that he would be seen on surveillance video

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Speaker 1: at two in the morning because of dogs barking, but

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Speaker 1: that that video was never shown in court. There was

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00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: no video of him at two in the morning. We

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00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: also know that Kit Martin the airline pilot had an

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Speaker 1: alibi that he was at home at the time of

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Speaker 1: the killings, but the cell phone records show that was

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Speaker 1: not What do you make of that, Sabrina Hall. You know,

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00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: I have no idea his wife or his fiance was

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00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: apparently sleeping in bed with him that night when he

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Speaker 1: allegedly set his alarm at one ten in the morning

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Speaker 1: to do something suspicious. You know, I don't know if

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00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: she heard something, if she's you know, lying that she

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Speaker 1: didn't hear something. Take a listen to our cut ten.

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Speaker 1: This is Alex Apple Fox seventeen. Four years later, the

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Speaker 1: entire murder case hinges on whose ally cal Phillips would

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00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: have been in that old military court martial. The defenses

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Speaker 1: private investigator wrote in an email to police he was

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Speaker 1: convinced cal Phillips was murdered to prevent his testimony on

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Speaker 1: behalf of the defense. What's interesting is the defenses. The

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Speaker 1: defenses private investigator wrote to police said he was convinced

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Speaker 1: cal Phillips was murdered to prevent his testimony on behalf

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Speaker 1: of the defense. In the end, take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friends at Huck seventeen. Plock seventeen is crime alert

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Speaker 1: Now a Kentucky jury recommending a former American Airlines pilot

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Speaker 1: get four life sentences. A judge will have the final

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00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: say now. Late last night, they convicted Kit Martin in

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Speaker 1: a twenty fifteen triple murder in Christian County. Martin killed

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Speaker 1: his neighbors ahead of a court martial where one of

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00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: the victims had been said to testify. Investigators say cell

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Speaker 1: phone data puts him at the crime scene. Kathleen Murphy

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Speaker 1: a recommendation of four life sentences. What's going to happen next?

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Speaker 1: I believe the sentencing will be in September. Of the

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Speaker 1: sheer mempy, we wait as justice un falls. Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: crime story, signing off goodbye friend,