1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Let's Giants, the 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: Giants Bubbling, give me some job part of the Giants 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: Podcast Networks Roll. Welcome to another edition of the Giants 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Little Podcast, brought to you by citizens Official Bank of 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: the Giants. I am John Schmulck. Thanks so much for 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: being with us today. Everybody, a fun episode today, something 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: we haven't done before here in the Hack and Sack 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: Marine Health podcast studio. Keep getting better. On Saturday of 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: the draft, Joe Shane was kind enough to allow us 10 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: to talk to the two scouts that scouted the Giants 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: two first round picks this year, to their national scouts, 12 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: Marcus Cooper and Jeremy Bright. Marcus Cooper did a lot 13 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: of work on Jackson Dart we also got a bonus, 14 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: but he also scouted cam Scataboo, and then Jeremy Bright 15 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: had a chance to do a lot of work on 16 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: Abduall Carter and I thought it would be fun to 17 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: kind of get an inside look at the scouting process 18 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,319 Speaker 1: on these two players, what the scouts saw on them 19 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: that are that have attracted them to the Giants, And 20 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: it was just really fun talking to the guys that 21 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: are in the trenches doing a lot of this work 22 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: and how they see players and how they looked at 23 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: these two players that the Giants thought were worth first 24 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: round selection. So I had a lot of fun doing 25 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: these interviews. I hope you get to do them again 26 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: in the future. I think there's a lot of good 27 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: information in here. I think you'll learn a lot. So 28 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: let's get right to it. Our first interview is with 29 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: Giants National scout Marcus Cooper. All right, and now we're 30 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: joined by Giants National scout Marcus Cooper. Marcus, how are you? 31 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: I'm doing well? How you doing? 32 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: Marcus? You had eyes on two of the players the 33 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: Giants drafted early in this draft, both Jackson Dark and 34 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: Cam Scatta. 35 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: I want to start with Jackson Dark. 36 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: Scouting quarterbacks is different than any other position, right, what's 37 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: the first thing you look for as a scout when 38 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: you put eyes on a quarterback? 39 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: You know what? I think we all initially we go 40 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 2: in and we kind of look at the physical attributes 41 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: of the kid, of course, orangetrant, accuracy, footwork, all the 42 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: mechanics that go into the position. But on a deeper level, 43 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: we start getting to the intangible thing, like is he 44 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: a leader? What's the care to you know, what's the 45 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: make of Is he a great locker room guy? Can 46 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: he command a huddle? Can he take care of his teammates? 47 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: All those things come into play. 48 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: All right, So let's put those things on the Jackson Dart. 49 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: When you went in and for the first put eyes 50 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: on him for the first time, and did your work, 51 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: what did you learn about Jackson Dart in the aspects 52 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: you just talked about. 53 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: So, believe it or not, the process started USC probably 54 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: right now, you know what. So I never saw him 55 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: at USC. It started last spring, Okay, So when I 56 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: met the kid, I went to the pro day looking 57 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: at the prospects for the twenty twenty four draft. So 58 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: I met him. He was out there supporting his teammates. 59 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 2: That was already my first checkpoint with the kids. So 60 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: we actually probably spent maybe thirty to forty minutes, wow, 61 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: just watching his teammates and just talking nothing really about football, 62 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: just more about hey, where are you from? Give me 63 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 2: your story? Kind of talked me through the journey of 64 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 2: SC to old miss, how things are going, What are 65 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: some things that you want to move on going through 66 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: the spring of twenty twenty five. So all those things 67 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: hit like checkpoints for me to meet the kid. So 68 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: that was kind of my first touch point with the guy. 69 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: That's very cool. 70 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: So you talked about the physical traits, that's the first 71 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: thing you look for for quarterback. It's important, but there's 72 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: so many other aspects to the position for. 73 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 3: How you play it. 74 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: How do you then balance the physical traits of the 75 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: quarterback versus the mental stuff, which obviously might some always 76 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: be more important in terms of how you play that position. 77 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: You know what I think when you, of course you 78 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: look at the physical and then you start we do. 79 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: Of course all of us all go to a game 80 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: and go see him, and I take all that in consideration, like, hey, 81 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: what's the interaction on the sideline, how he's controlling what 82 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: he's asked to do, And a lot of that correlates 83 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: with my relationship with the coaches they're at ole Miss 84 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: and being able to talk to them and figure out 85 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: what he was asked to do along with what is 86 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: being applied on the field. So I went through that 87 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: whole process kind of just dug deep into the kid, 88 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: the makeup of what he was asked to do on 89 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: the on the field and off the field, And I 90 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: think that helped me. 91 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that was where I was going 92 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: to go next, right cause I think just from watching 93 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: the tape it's hard to see how it could process 94 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: this right, you don't know what the coach is telling 95 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: him to do in terms of decision making, So how 96 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: and how do you use your connections with these coaches? 97 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: And almost had guys with a lot of pro experience 98 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: doing that staff right to get that information that you 99 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: can't just see from the tape. 100 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 3: In watching the games. 101 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: I think I think you try to figure out exactly 102 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: what they're doing and what he's asked to do. Hey, 103 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: like what is his progression? 104 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: Here? 105 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: Are they doing a lot more RPO? What is he 106 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: asked to do? Is he kind of throwing on a 107 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 2: time in or is it more option routes? So I 108 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: think I got all that information and then once I 109 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: get that foundation, now I can go back to like 110 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: what are my physical attributes that I need to see 111 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 2: for the position? So now I'm like, Okay, did I 112 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: see enough athleticism? Did I see enough accuracy? Did I 113 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: see enough armstrengt along with the competitives like when he 114 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: rolls out the pocket and now he's working off script 115 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: now can he make plays when things are not so 116 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: clean or not so pretty? So you kind of take 117 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: you take in consideration what they told you. But then 118 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 2: now you come back and you kind of look at 119 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: it from the lives of all, right, is he a 120 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: football player? 121 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: Like? 122 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: Now, what is he doing? Whatever? I need to see 123 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 2: as as just as a per football. 124 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: Player, and for Jackson, I got to imagine there probably 125 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: wasn't much question with that part of it. Right the 126 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: way he runs, I mean, the guy does not want 127 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: to run out of bounds. He just runs over people 128 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: like a linebacker. How did that play into your guy's evaluation? 129 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: For you and as a group, that made you think 130 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: he could work as the NFL quarterback. That competitiveness that 131 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: he has, you. 132 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: Know what, I thought. You see that on tape, You're like, hey, 133 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: this kid is very competitive. You know, he will that 134 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 2: team to some wins. He got ole miss in a 135 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 2: position where they can compete for a playoff spot. So 136 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: I saw all the competitiveness that I needed to see 137 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: along with my multiple interactions with the kid. So yeah, 138 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: are there still things that he needed to develop? Absolutely, 139 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 2: But at the same time, I felt enough competitive, I 140 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: felt enough leadership. I felt enough internal grit within the 141 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: kid where like, hey, he can withstand the development that's 142 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 2: needed for him to take that next step. 143 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 3: And final question on dark before we get a couple 144 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 3: on Skataboo. 145 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: Then you guys hand the player off to the coaches here, right, 146 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: You have a head coach like Brian Dable who is 147 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: a quarterbacks guy. You have Mike Kafka, former NFL quarterback, 148 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: you have Shadier and your a great quarterbacks coach. How 149 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: do you work with them so that they can get 150 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: the most out of their interactions with the players at 151 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: the private workouts, at the thirty visiting things like that. 152 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: You know, when you taught to coach, you kind of 153 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: give them the found out, the foundational pieces of what 154 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 2: I know about the kid, and then they kind of 155 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: overtake it and kind of just start putting their touches 156 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: on the guy, like, hey, all right this, we're gonna 157 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: go there and we're gonna work with him and work 158 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: him out and kind of see how he operates within 159 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: our system. Now take him out of his system, Like 160 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: there's foundational pieces that he worked out that he learned 161 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: from old miss, But now let's incorporate a little bit 162 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: of what maybe what they do and what we do, 163 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: and then kind of see does it correlate, and then 164 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: you know, see if we can kind of work it 165 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: that way. 166 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 3: And in the end he checked all those bosses. 167 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: Huh, Yeah, the kid did. The kid did a really 168 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: good job. In the spring. I ended up, like I said, 169 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: I met him the spring before, saw him in the 170 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: fall when I went back, saw him at the Senior Bowl, 171 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: and then of course we saw him again this past 172 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 2: spring at his pro day. So every time I met 173 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: the kid, great guy. You felt leadership from the kid. 174 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: You know, he talked with confidence. I thought he was 175 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: well prepared in everything they showed up this screen, whether 176 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: it was at the Senior rol throwing, at the combine 177 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: and at this pro day. 178 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 3: All right, let's go to cam. Just so much fun 179 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: to watch. 180 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: I think that's the first thing to the scout, right, 181 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: is scatable. Scatabu one of those guys that just jumps 182 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: out at you when you when you watch Tapan. 183 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 3: Was that kind of like the driving force there for him. 184 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: I think for Scatabu, man, he was, you know, scatable. 185 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, like we all we 186 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: all look for all these traits, right, like, oh, it's 187 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: a fast is explosive? 188 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: Is it? 189 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: But I think the football intangible with him, like the toughness, 190 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: the grit, the desire. I think at the end of 191 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 2: the day, this is as still a physical sport and 192 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: this kid runs with a lot of physicality and a 193 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: demeanor that I feel like you want your culture to 194 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: be built on. So he he runs with violence. You know, 195 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: he plays the game the right the right way in 196 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 2: my opinion, and I appreciate that about him. 197 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: And then final question of him, the one I guess knock, 198 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: I guess I'll put it is his time forty speed, right, maybe, 199 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: but not the best long speed. How important is that 200 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: really though for a running back, right, because they don't 201 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: get in the open field much running in a straight line. 202 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 1: Isn't I think the second most broken tackles this year 203 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: after Jenti? 204 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: Right, isn't that. 205 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: Short area breaking tackles stuff a little bit more important 206 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: than the long speed in a lot of ways? Oh? 207 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think if you look at your history, if 208 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: you go at the history at the running back position, 209 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: there's a lot of four to six guys that made 210 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 2: it at that position. Sure, I think it's a lot 211 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: more of balance, feet, contact, balance, the ability to break tackles. 212 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: I think that all comes into play. So I think, yeah, 213 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: we all you know, it gets appealing when you see 214 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: like a guy that breaks an eighty or run. But 215 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: what about that duo run inside where you needed him? 216 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 2: It was blocked up and he still was able to 217 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: get six yards. 218 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 3: That a third and three. It's bocked up for one, 219 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: but he gets four it right. 220 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: He gets for it right, And so I think that's 221 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 2: still complementary football where you're like, hey, we're still moving 222 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: the chains. 223 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: Coope always a pleasure, my man. It was great talking 224 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: to you, and it was so much fun to learn 225 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: more about these guys with you. 226 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I appreciate you. 227 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 1: Guys, Marcus Cooper, Giants, National Scap, huddle up, get in here. 228 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 4: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the 229 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 4: middle with at the score great? 230 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: How do we make that happen? 231 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 4: I don't know, Bud. Citizens does make sense of your 232 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 4: money with Citizens Official Bank of Eli Manning. If you 233 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 4: want to know how to manage two minutes of crunch 234 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 4: time football, I'm your man. 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That's Marcus Cooper. 245 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: Really good stuff out of him, and again really interesting. 246 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: I could have talked to him for out ten minutes 247 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: if I needed to, but the Giants had some work 248 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: to do, so we move on next to Jeremy Bright, 249 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: one of the Giants longtime national scouts. Jeremy's been here 250 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: a very long time and he had a chance to 251 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: do a lot of work on Abdull Carter, the third 252 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: overall pick in the twenty twenty five NFL draft. And 253 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: now we're joined by a Giants national scout, Jeremy Bright. 254 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: Jeremy, how are you man? 255 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 5: Great? So have a fun time during draft? 256 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you for giving us a couple of minutes. 257 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 3: Then you guys are busy. 258 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: You had eyes on Abdual Carter during this draft process 259 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: for the giants. What are the and it's a team process. 260 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: A lot of scouts put their eyes on these guys 261 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: in crosscheck. So when you first got your eyes on 262 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: Abdual Carter on tape, what are the things that kind 263 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: of jumped out? 264 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 5: I mean it's easy when you watch the film with him, 265 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 5: you know, the explosiveness, the power, the speed, the competitiveness, 266 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 5: it all jumps out. And a guy that can just 267 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 5: be special at wherever he's on the field, he jumps 268 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 5: off the tape. 269 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: Now, he switched positions right the first year he was 270 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: an off ball linebacker, then he went to edge. So 271 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: when you're looking at him and you kind of saw 272 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: him as an off ball guy and then he changes positions, 273 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: how is a scout do you adjust your eyes and 274 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: what different things do you look or when he's moving 275 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: from an off ball spot to an edge of defender. 276 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, so when he when he's inside, now you see 277 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 5: the instincts you see, you see the strength, you see 278 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 5: the you know the way he goes after the ball. 279 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 5: And then when he comes when he went to the 280 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 5: edge this year, he showed off everything that he has. 281 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 5: All you know that that explosive of off the edge, 282 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 5: it's the top in the draft. To me, it's the 283 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 5: top of any draft. You know, he's a He's a 284 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 5: top player in any draft that you look at. The 285 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 5: guy can win one on ones and that's what you 286 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 5: look for coming off the edge of the bend, the dip, 287 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 5: the explosiveness. He can do it all. 288 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: And you have different types of edge players, right, you 289 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: have the two seventy to eighty bigger guys. He's more 290 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: of the upfield two hundred and fifty pounds smaller guy. 291 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: What are some of the traits you have to have 292 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: if you're a smaller edge at that size that you 293 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: need to succeed because you don't have that, you know, 294 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: bigger frame in the bulk than maybe some of the 295 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: bigger guys. 296 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 5: Right, I think you can do it all. I think 297 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 5: he can set the edge as well. But just the 298 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 5: way he uses his hands, when he uses his naturally 299 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 5: his leverage, and then it's just the speed off the edge. 300 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 3: Uh. 301 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot of times you see the 302 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 5: tackles not touching them and the guys that can win 303 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 5: one on one without getting touch is pretty special. And 304 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 5: he's he's one of the top special ones that I've seen. 305 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: What did you learn about him as a as an 306 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: edge and maybe he's an off ball guy. Then maybe 307 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have known if you hadn't seen him play 308 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: both positions. 309 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, you see the speed and the range when he's 310 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 5: playing inside, and you can see him just chasing when 311 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 5: he's chasing inside, and and then you see it and 312 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 5: then you watch him on the edge. You watch the 313 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 5: competitiveness of him chasing down on the backside, uh, when 314 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 5: he's on when he's on the outside. So there's a 315 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 5: lot of good things that he does. There's not too 316 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 5: many weaknesses in his game, and that's why we love 317 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 5: him and that's why we're excited to have him. 318 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: So when I was watching and I'm taking my notes 319 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: and I got through probably about six or seven different 320 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: pass rush moves, it was like, all right, speed, speed, 321 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: the power, the swite move, he has the dipping rip. 322 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: Then he has a little ghost move like von Miller 323 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: used to do, And I'm like, how is this guy 324 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: only a one year edge player? Was it amazing to 325 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: use a scout to see how advanced his pass rush 326 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: repertoire war was given it was his first year to 327 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: doing it full time. 328 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, they did a great job. With him his coaches, 329 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 5: you know, it's you see everything that you want to 330 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 5: in a in an outside backer, and just all the moves. 331 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 5: I mean, you see, like you said, to speed, the power, 332 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 5: and and he uses his hands really well. And again 333 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 5: it's just that natural explosiveness that you can't teach. 334 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: And then he played with a pretty serious shoulder injury 335 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: in that college football playoff game against Notre Dame and 336 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: not only did you played through it, he played really well. 337 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: When you're a scout and you see that, what does 338 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: that tell you about a play? 339 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 5: Just the competitiveness and the kid that he wanted to 340 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 5: play for his team. He wanted to play for his teammates, 341 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 5: and that's what you want. You got to set an 342 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 5: identity and you know he's the top player on the 343 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 5: team and he's going out there putting it all on 344 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 5: the line. That's you know, that's that's what That's what 345 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 5: wins games. 346 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: How much upside does he still have? Only because he's 347 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: a younger guy, right, he's only played one year on 348 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: the edge. You know, as a scout, you're not just 349 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: protecting all right, this is what the player is now. 350 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: You're trying to project what he can be, right, how 351 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: much more does he. 352 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 3: Have to grow? 353 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they all need to grow. He's he's 354 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 5: at the top of the list of gods that doesn't 355 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 5: need as much. But he he'll he'll definitely learn from 356 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 5: the from the coaching here. He's gonna be playing against 357 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 5: better tackles throughout the league UH that he's played at 358 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 5: week in and week out, and he's he's gonna learn 359 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 5: how to set up more of his moves against top tackles. 360 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 5: And again, having the guys that we have UH to 361 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 5: compliment him is gonna be It's gonna be an amazing 362 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 5: to watch. 363 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 3: Last two fitting in the system. 364 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: How much is a scout do you talk to, you know, 365 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: Charlie Bowen, talk to Shane Bowen about how he works 366 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: and what you should be looking for for a player 367 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: that plays that spot in the Giants defense. 368 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 5: Our coaches do a great job of telling us what 369 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 5: they need, what they're looking for. It makes our job 370 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 5: a lot easier going out on the road to to 371 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 5: fit what they want into the defense. We work as 372 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 5: one group, one team, and you know, try to try 373 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 5: to get the best that we can. 374 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: And finally, I interacted with him for literally like forty 375 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: five seconds yes, today as he walked around, but he 376 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: seems to have a real seriousness to him and an 377 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: edge to him. Kind of want that out of a 378 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: defensive player, right, a guy that has that kind of 379 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: intensity about him all the time. 380 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think he sets he's going to add to 381 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 5: our identity on defense of just relentless and getting after 382 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 5: the passer. And you see what we've added on top 383 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 5: of that, and you look at our depth on the 384 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 5: D line and the outside backers and it gets you excited. 385 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: Yes, it does. Jeremy good stuff, man. I appreciate Jeremy 386 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: Bright Giants National Scout. Just great stuff from Jeremy there 387 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: and Marcus. We thank him so much for giving us 388 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: the time on a very busy weekend. And we thank 389 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: Joe Shane and the Giants front office for give us 390 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: permission to talk to those guys and really get some 391 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: insight on the scouting process from those two scouts. It 392 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. I hope you guys enjoyed 393 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: it as much as I did. Hope you learned a 394 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: little bit. Thanks for being with us in the Giants 395 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: Little podcast brought to you by Citizen's Official Bank at 396 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: the Giants Well plenty more coming your way as we 397 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: continue through this Giants offseason program. 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