WEBVTT - Venom w/ Joe Grifasi 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:04.359 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.160 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:09.280 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:27.520 These are our stories done done? 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:30.040 Yay, that's messed up. 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:34.760 In Sview podcast, I'm Liza Traeger. I'm Kara Klank you 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.479 guys hopefully by now. Episode two eighty six, Get the 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:42.640 Drill It's SVU episode recaps true crime deep dives and 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:46.800 interviews with actors and other interesting people. 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:50.080 Were trust the dollars and I need people to start 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:53.280 talking about it. I need because people respect. But some 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:55.840 people are like, oh, how do you choose someone? How 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.680 do you choose guests for your podcast? I go, do 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.400 you even know what I'm doing here? I got a 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:03.680 lot of investigations or something. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:07.360 Someone will be like, my husband plays a waiter with 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:09.280 no lines. Do you want to talk to him? I'm like, 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:10.800 what would what would we what would. 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:11.119 We talk about? 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:15.240 Honestly, we could find things to talk about. That's our skill. 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.080 That another skill we have that would be able to 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:18.600 talk to him. 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:20.720 But we do try to get people that are at 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:23.840 least in a one meaty scene. 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.360 One meaty scene is but we would take questlove as 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:27.960 a dead body. That's true. 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.640 Oh yeah, so that's different that one dead body I 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:35.680 would take or what well, No, I was just gonna 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:40.920 say it. Continuing our our constant quest for expertise in 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:44.080 the field of law and order and the SPU universe, 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:49.520 we did talk about exhumations on the last episode Bound 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.360 and we did get a ping from our list one 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:56.200 of our listeners who is a forensic anthropologist, and she said, 0:01:56.400 --> 0:02:00.240 regarding your exhamation question, she goes, I, actually we had 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.440 to apply for a grant to do this work. Here's 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.920 a quick breakdown because we were wondering, like who pays 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.160 for an exhormation? Like is it the family? Is it 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.880 the cops? Like is it the courts? Like who pays 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.079 for that? How does that get done? She said? Processes 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:17.720 vary by state and district. Cemeteries are typically involved and 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:21.880 compensated for equipment. Petitions go through attorneys at the request 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:25.360 of the EMMY, police, et cetera. For cold cases, grants 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.440 can be applied for or the requesting police department EMY 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.440 can cover the costs. Families can sometimes pay depending on 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.840 local laws, but they would pay for everything. Exhamations are 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:39.360 usually only approved for unexplained, sudden, violent, or suspicious deaths, 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:43.080 so you can't like exzoom your grandma that like just 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:47.880 past dinner sleep. Cost Wise, full service companies legal through 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:51.800 actual exclamation run about ten thousand per case, not including 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:56.040 scientific analysis. Exhamation alone typically ranges five k to ten k, 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.320 cheaper than I thought. To be honest, I thought a 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.960 government service they would be patting that shit. I thought 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:03.240 it was gonna be like thirty K to take a 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.120 body out of the ground, and it's five to ten 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:07.919 k just to get the body out of the ground, 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:12.639 usually dependent on the digging vendor. Love this information. Thank 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.799 you so much to our extremely talented listener who gave 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.800 us all the information about exhamations. 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.840 That is incredible. And then I had a message that 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:27.720 I'm not finding but the old woman that killed everyone, 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.640 the like the one the from bound that at the 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.320 same episode, someone knows someone that lived in that house afterwards, 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:41.240 Dorothea or Dorothea's house. Yeah yeah, So whoa kind of 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:45.240 thrilling or not or distasting yeah yeah, or Sam Dam 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:46.880 dam or scary as fuck. 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:49.840 I mean, our listeners are so connected. People are like 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:53.240 I've vacation, I've I've met the Murdochs down in South Carolina. 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.880 Like when we talk about stuff, everyone's like, I actually 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.880 know the guy who had too many babies, gave too 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.400 much sperm and had too many babies, Like we like, 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.000 you know you guys never cease to amaze a sou 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.000 Please keep the personal connections coming, Kara. 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.640 I was at like a big dinner yesterday, probably like 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.480 you know, an event type thing, and a friend at 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:16.200 the other end of the table goes, wait, who's poking 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.400 holes in condoms? And I'm like John Stamo's in SVU, 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:21.240 Like that's what I'm talking about. 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:26.000 Sorry, they just overheard you. Yeah. I just never take 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.640 a day off, you know what I mean, No day's off. 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:30.520 Or like when people see me in Soul Cycle and 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.160 I'm in an SVU sweatshirt, I'm like, I do I live, 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:34.600 I walk the walk. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:35.560 I walk the talk. I do it. 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.480 Yeah yeah, yeah, I truly do it. No. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.880 I'm always talking about parenting issues with people and I'm like, 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.080 and you know what can happen? And people are like, wow, 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:44.960 that's dark. I go you know you know who you 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:49.000 were talking to, Like, yeah, this is what I'm researching 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:52.039 and reading all day. Wait what are you gonna? 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.840 What's the theme for Oscar's birthday? What is he asking for? 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:55.560 What does he want? 0:04:55.800 --> 0:05:00.240 So his birthday is today, as I mean as not 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:01.760 the day we're recording this, but the day this is 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:06.240 coming out. Thank you, So happy birthday, Oscar. Everybody drop 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.240 a happy birthday Oscar comment and I will show them 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:09.440 to him. 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:10.440 No, but he. 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.480 You know, he's still on his Butterflies Unicorns kick. He's 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.560 getting a new pink and purple bike. I got him 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:20.200 a little butterfly bell for it and a little cute helmet. 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:23.719 He's getting some more Gabby's dollhouse stuff to add to 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:25.280 the dollhouse that you gave him for his birthday a 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:26.800 couple of years ago. He still needs a couple of 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.400 rooms for that, cause you know, you can't just buy 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.320 the dollhouse comes with a couple of rooms, but you 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:32.960 got to buy the rest of the rooms. You know, 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:36.919 That's how these things work. Get them hooked. He's getting 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.839 like a couple of Yodo cards all this stuff. He's 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:43.080 not actually having a birthday party. We're going to Knotsberry 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.720 Farm and he's really excited. And they've never been cute 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:50.040 because you know, we've been doing experiences over parties. So 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.599 we're doing a little we're doing a little note and 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:54.880 he'll bring cupcakes to school and everything, and he really 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:56.599 wants me to get a goodie bag. But the goodie 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.159 bags are just literally plastic trash. 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.600 But you know what, my sister would do one big thing, 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:03.719 like why don't you You can get kids like a journal 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:05.400 and a pen, right, we. 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:07.280 Did for rosies a few years ago. We got them 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:09.719 little clipboards, and we gave with coloring pages, and we 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.800 gave them crayons. I have to I gotta get on that. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:14.800 It's like it's it's very coming up. 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.800 So what about those things that's like a mitt with 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:21.000 the velcro and you can throw the ball? Oh yeah, 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:21.640 those are cute. 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:23.720 Yeah, there has to be. 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:26.840 Something that's also not expensive but actually like a one 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.160 big usable thing, because I get what you mean. 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.440 You don't want a bag of trash, a bag of trash. 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:34.600 And then it's like times eighteen. It's like even if 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:38.760 I find something like, you know, cute, for like ten dollars, 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:40.720 its like times eighteen, I'm spending two hundred bucks on 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:41.479 these goodie bags. 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:43.200 Like I don't know, it's just like you know, I 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.600 thought goodie bags would have ended, like, I can't believe 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:46.800 goodie bag culture. 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.800 Is no if God culture is all live and well. 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.119 I thought we all agreed to stop, and it's alive 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:55.080 and well, like people are doing it and I got 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:55.839 something to say. 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.159 You got something bad about bags? But my sister always 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:01.200 at such good party, isn't she just always try to 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:04.239 do one big gift. But she also like in her house, 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.040 because we all have shopping addictions and stuff, she had 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.400 like a gift drawer, so like if you needed a 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:11.920 last minute gift, you could just go to this closet 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:13.640 and it has gifts. 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.000 My friend's mom had that, and I was always like, 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:19.920 that's so luxurious. You know, what is this good or bad? 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:21.040 I think this was cute. 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:26.200 Like the kids like and they spend as much money 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:30.200 as the kid is turning. Oh so if everyone just 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.880 brings seven dollars for the seven year old's party, and 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:37.360 then everyone then it's like, you know, fifteen kids come 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:38.960 and then he can and then here she can go 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.400 buy whatever he wants. Yeah, yeah, that's a great. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.960 I don't know if we say no gifts, I will 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.800 say I will say no gifts is getting more popular. 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:48.560 A lot of people, Yes, but then everyone's still gonna 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:49.760 bring a gift. There's no way I'm gonna come to 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.680 a kids party and not bring a gift. There's just 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.600 no way in hell the way. There's no way in 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.640 hell do books do a there's no that is actually 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:01.760 specif against your culture. And I can't believe I brought 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.360 it up for a child. 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:06.920 Yeah, well now I'm want to redd it. Now I'm 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:08.640 on to redd it at all party favorite bags that 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.320 aren't plastic jumps, so I'll be down this rabbit hole. 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:16.040 Or like the but the blind box gifts aren't cheap, 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.360 like do you know? Like that's because I was like, 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.560 those are like surprise things are so fun. But yeah, 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.160 you know, I don't know. I love stickers, but that's 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:25.280 you know, maybe it's just me. 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.240 Yeah, stickers and temporary tattoos are really big, so maybe 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:29.400 I'll I'll look into that. 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:31.760 But I have a tale. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.800 I have a story. Okay, what's the tale? 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:37.839 So I go into soul cycle like I do, and 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:39.960 it's Sunday and a girl is on the verge of 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:41.760 tears like one of my young you know, one of 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.240 my young friends, and I go, what's going on? She's 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.920 talking too she's in distress. She goes, I just got scammed. 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.640 I tried to get Moona tickets. I spent four hundred 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.840 dollars and it's a fake ticket. 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:54.920 Do I try? 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.640 I go? I know them, I go, I bet I 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:00.440 can get you a ticket. And so I I text 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.920 Naomi from Muna, which is insane of me because they're 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:06.720 clearly getting ready for a show. Like Also, I have 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:08.839 to preface. I had to margaritas in a shot before 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.760 class on a net, so I'm sorry. I forgot to wait. 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.360 What well, because it was like a warm ass day 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:17.959 and I went to the park to read. 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:19.640 It was a Sunday. 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:21.360 I went to the park to read, and then I 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.080 went to a bar in my neighborhood for a meal 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.200 and it was two to five, was a happy hours 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.520 dollar fifty East Coast oysters. So I had oysters, a 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.800 couple of margarita's. I'm friends with the bartender. I got 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.600 a free a free shot. Yeah. And then I went 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.880 to soul Cycle. So I was also feeling loose. I 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.000 don't know if what I did is embarrassing. But then 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:45.840 I texted Kate Berlant and yeah, they set it up. 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.160 So I brought I brought this person to Muna and 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.520 I wouldn't have gone, which is crazy because I love 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:57.080 Muna and it was electric. Anyone that I was thinking 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.120 of going in the fall on their tour, you have 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:03.400 to go. The new album is so good. They're such 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:06.600 good performers. It's also like the sexiest tattest show. I 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:08.880 was like, Kate, are you just like horny every show? 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.960 Like it's just like such a sexual show. The lighting's incredible. 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.920 There's such good performers. They played the whole album and 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:20.880 then they played like five other songs and it was incredible. 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.559 It was incredible, and it's weird. I wouldn't have gone. 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.360 Do you know, are you friends with this girl from 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.920 Soul Cycle or it's like a just like an acquaintance 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.560 or acquaintance. So it was weird of course. And yeah, 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.520 she's like twenty four. She's a very nice thing to do. 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:35.760 You know me with a couple margerite, I will buy 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:38.000 all the costumes for Shrek, like I'll do whatever, like 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:42.040 if you catch me I had me a little tipsy, 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.040 I'll set it up. But then I think to the matter, 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.160 like then I of course, I'm like, was it weird? 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:49.959 Did I do something weird, did I bring like a 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:52.520 child to this show? Like should I have just let her? 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:54.480 Like should I have let her barrow her own friend 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.360 and I go separate? But at the end of the day, 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:58.040 like who cares? And it was fun. 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.880 Wow, it's so great. It's like I went into soil 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.079 Cycle and this girl at so Cycle got me and 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.160 like the honestly, probably just makes you feel better about 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.440 losing four hundred fucking bucks, you know, yeau, we are 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.599 in the age of the damn scam. So yeah, we 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.320 met for a margarita, like it was a crazy thing. 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.400 And then I questioned if like what I did was 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.120 like annoying and weird, should I send them something? 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.000 But I'm glad I saw the concert. I think it's great. 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.400 I just can't believe I'm evening everything. Listen, have I 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.240 worked out after a happy hour? Absolutely not since I 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:34.640 was twenty six, probably, Like no, I impressed myself daily. 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.640 Oh you don't know what stand. I impressed myself constantly, 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:41.120 Like because listen, when you know, when the weather hits 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.079 in New York, there's nothing like it not turning down. 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.719 I'm having a midday drink. But you also got to 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:48.920 get to the gym. And stay healthy, you know. 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.000 And then I ended up at Moona that night like 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:52.720 I was just gonna clean. I'm just gonna have a 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:56.520 chill Sunday. It was actually like quite exhausted. I think, 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:58.920 you know, I did spots till late at night. But 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:03.480 I woke up this morning and I wasn't feeling I'll 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.840 be on it. I wasn't doing well. But then I 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:08.440 opened my laptop to watch the mes views for our 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:12.200 profession and I look at my screen. Is me blacked 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.160 out drunk signing up for three food bank shifts for June. 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:20.959 Just like, no, I think it's good. I think it's good. 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.240 Of course you're working out, you're drunk giving to charity 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.400 or donating your time to charity. You're drunk giving helping 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.160 people that have been scammed. I mean, as far as 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:29.880 I'm concerned. 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.960 Yeah, Like I'm such a fun drunk, like I really am. 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:35.400 I think knock on wood. 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:39.560 I really don't want it to ever shift, you know, 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.600 I don't want to get too cocky. But then so 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.920 after I went to an event yesterday. It was supposed 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.440 to be chill, but then me and two other girls 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.079 were like, let's just grab one more, and it's New York. 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:51.920 So the patios aren't real, and it was like in 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:55.480 the streets and it was like covered like the plastic horses, 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.280 and the other two girls didn't want to sit there, 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.480 and I went, Okay, you guys are ring fucking annoying. 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:03.280 What because it's plastic, Like, let's fucking sit outside. A 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:08.120 garbage truck comes immediately immediately, so now it's like we 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.080 are sitting at the table as and the garbage truck 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.520 had work to do, so it was like like five minutes. 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:16.480 It was five minutes in our faces. Even the server 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:21.360 was like, wow, what a nightmare. I'm like yeah. But 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.559 then I'm amazing now that I'm obsessed with this bar 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:25.400 in my you know, I've had my coffee shop, and 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.200 now that I found this bar, it's open till four, 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:32.840 kitchen till four. What yeah? 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.200 Ah, that's that would have really solved am And then 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.480 I started talking to a guy next to me, and 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:40.840 he works at this other spot that I go to. 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.120 So I'm about to even hit a new level in 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.880 my neighborhood. Like yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited for this summer. 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.000 I'm like I'm pumped. 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.240 And if you're on, if you're on the Upper West Side. 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:55.080 French Roast still open, but not twenty four hours anymore. 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:57.400 Oh my god, I went to the selk. I mean 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.240 I've had Oh my god, I can't believe I didn't 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.000 say this. I walked past Dexter Resurrection shooting in the 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:05.440 streets of New York got up. Oh my god. 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:07.880 Yeah, but it was stand ins. 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.120 It was fucking stand ins, like they were just setting 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.800 up lighting and the PA is kept like, keep it moving, 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:14.560 keep it moving, and I kept doing circ I like 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:16.959 wouldn't leave, and then a PA was like. 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:18.880 You guys, can you just please you have to. 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.680 Move, and I go, We're obsessed, get over it, Like 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:22.760 what do you want from us? 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:24.080 It's a fandom bitch. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:28.360 Yeah, Like, but yeah, it was stand ins, but it 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:31.040 was I just lost my fucking mind. 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:32.000 Hold on, I was with people. 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:36.119 I'll show you a photo of my face, me reacting 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:41.560 to seeing to seeing it like this is my true 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:42.280 natural like. 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:51.960 Bliss, blissful, like so happy, that's so good. And it's like, 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.560 you know, you know the business, like you know that. 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:58.000 That poor PA is like, please, I'm gonna get fired 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.680 if I don't get you guys off the cot upset. 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.920 I know, but that's the risk you take shooting in 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.400 the streets of New York. Like, I don't know what 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.840 you want from us. I'm wearing my Dexter Morgan bracelet 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.400 every day of my life. Like I don't know. 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.920 Maybe if I showed him my bracelet, you'd understand. But 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:17.480 I was gonna say, you could have seen. You could 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.160 have run into our friend of the pod Kadi or off. 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.680 No, I know, but I saw the scene. I saw 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.720 the stand ins. I knew it wasn't I know. I 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.320 I was gonna send her the photo. Maybe she'll let 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.800 me do a set visit. Oh, I should hit her up. 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.240 I'll hit her because if there's I mean, I know 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.600 they're shooting because I've been begging my team for an audition. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:41.800 Nothing's come through yet, but you know. But it was 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.080 like the most New York day. So I had a 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.080 doctor's appointment. Then I went down to Hoff Studios. They 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.160 produced my special and they acquired the Vogue Adria with 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.680 Connor's story on the cover for me, So I went 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:54.920 and picked that up. Wow. Then I went to a 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:58.120 diner read a book. Then I had a dentist appointment. 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.640 Then I walked to a six o'clo show I had 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.720 at a private club for whatever. But before that, I 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.040 went to the Chelsea high Line or the Yeah, the 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.680 high Line did a show. Then me and another comic 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.480 we walked to Little Island watched the sunset. Then we 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.160 walked to Flat Iron he had a spot. Then we 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.920 met three other comics, and then we walked to the Selka. 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:18.200 That's when I saw Dexter. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:22.320 Then we had ice cream on a bench and I 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.400 was like, I'm gonna have the best summer of my life, 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:28.080 like so wholesome. 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:29.720 And then and then of course blackouts. 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.760 Yeah, I'm just feeling And I finished two more gay 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:36.080 hockey books. So I'm starting my new book today. 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.920 Everybody's been asking in the comments for you to name 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.880 these books that you're reading, these all your gay hockey books. 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:48.360 Okay, So the author is Serena Bowen. Serena Bowen s 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:53.120 A R I n A Bowen, like the guy that 0:16:53.200 --> 0:17:01.240 we know as Yeah, I told you I forgot what 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.240 bad Bunny was. And I was like Benito, you know Benito, 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.359 and my brain is so fried. 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:08.480 Okay. 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:12.160 So and she this bitch is writing NonStop and actually 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.879 the categories like you can go, there's hockey guys a 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.880 male male books, and then she has a category that's 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:22.959 like for fans of heated rivalry. So the series is 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.960 like the new Guy, I'm your guy, the last guy 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:31.640 on Earth, my kind of guy. Okay, So that those 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.879 are the four I've just read, and then it seems 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:37.119 like there's more. There's more. I might watch Goodbybe. I'm 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.080 trying to read a few ups. I'm I have some 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:44.120 other categories and genres that I'd like to get into. Yeah, 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:46.440 and we'll see if we'll see if I can get 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:50.480 through this James Baldwin book. But I have some murder books. Oh, 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:52.080 I also bought a new book. Yeah, I went to 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.040 Risolute while I killed time before my dentist. 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.879 And while we are promoting books, I just want to 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.919 shout out a couple of friends books that are coming 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:05.760 out this summer that it's so in the book business, 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.800 it is like so important to pre order shit first 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.200 of all for you it feels like when it comes, 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.199 it feels like it's free, right because you ordered it 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.560 in May and then it comes in July or August. 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.800 So the first one is our mutual great friend Alison 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:20.960 Labee has a book called I'm a lot. We've already 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:22.840 talked about it, I think, but just another shout out 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:25.560 that it's coming out in July, pre order it now. 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.720 And then the second one is The Terrible Horrible, no good, 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:34.480 very Bad Gay by Elliott Glazer. He's a soer Wish 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:36.760 guy and he has a book coming out in August, 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:41.040 so go and you can pre order those on you know, 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:45.720 at local like if you just look up his book title, 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:47.639 it takes you to the Simon and Schuster page if 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.280 you can't order it on Amazon, but they also have 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.240 it at Books a Million and other like local bookshops 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:55.640 and stuff where you can get stuff. And definitely want 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.639 to promote local bookshops. I think I mentioned on the 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:02.919 podcast recently that I bought Yesteryear on Amazon, and that 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.560 is because I needed to read it very quickly, and 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.280 it's been hard to find it at some of the bookstores. 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.000 So I want everyone to I do support local bookstores 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.680 and that Barnes. 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.439 And Noble is a small town bookstore now at this point. 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:17.919 Yeah, so that's fine. 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:19.919 So also, so I'm still on this girl's site, and 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:21.880 now you've you shouldn't have brought me here because now 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.080 I see these two guys holding a basketball ones I'm 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.680 glad like. And now there's two other hockey. I just 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:28.600 can't believe I'm reading so much about hockey. There's only 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:32.280 so many storylines, you know, but you know, it's interesting, 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:33.080 It's gonna be interesting. 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:38.359 This translates to, like you actually going to see professional hockey. 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:40.600 I would go to the women. It was just all 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:42.679 sold out by the time. But yeah, I'm gonna definitely 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.760 go to hockey. Yeah, and these minorly, Yeah, I'd like 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.080 to see it live. I think it's fun to watch. 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.480 It's fast, That's what I like about it. But I 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:52.919 bought a Susan Sontag book, and then I bought a 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:56.040 book that's like a guy that couldn't solve a crime 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:57.800 and it's thirty years later and he's trying to, you know, 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:02.080 up my alley. And then maybe, oh, I have one 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:03.040 straight book. 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.720 I you know, I blackout drank. I mean I black 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:06.840 out read as well. 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.480 So I woke up with a book in my bed 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:11.840 and it's like a girl and guy fall in love 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:18.520 and they work at a vibrator factory or something like that. Okay, 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:22.280 but someone was like trying to be like, oh, like, 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.400 what could even happen like who care? 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.280 Like somebody whatever I think. I think this person like 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:27.959 surriled me up. 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.680 He's a toxic straight But like it's like, what could 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:31.680 even happen to these guys? 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.840 Like what's so? I go, Well, they can't come out. 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:39.120 They're in a masculine place, everyone's homophobic, their families won't 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:41.399 speak to I'm like, it's layered as fuck. Two of 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.000 them get robbed, like this is the thing, Like Serena 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:45.600 is great, but they're just not as good as. 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.800 Cat Sebastian and Rachel read you know what I mean. 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:51.320 Like sometimes there's sentences where I'm like, this is humiliating, 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:52.760 Like when people are like can I see that book, 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:54.439 I'm like, absolutely not. 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.840 You can't even look at one page of this book. Look, 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:02.040 I think we can have of reading that is going 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:05.399 to like better us intellectually and reading that it's just fun. 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.439 I think we can hold both things. But they happen 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:10.880 at the same time. Because there's a quote in one 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:13.480 of these that I is my new mantra, Like my 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:16.480 new mantra, that's all I say. Now, it's like awesome, 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.320 what is it? It's there's nowhere you have to be 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:23.000 right now. But right here. Oh, and it's helped me 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:26.760 settle because the city is alive. There's so much to do, 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:30.280 so much to read, so much to see, and sometimes 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:31.320 you're like, oh, what do I do? 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:32.959 And then it's like, actually, don't have to be anywhere. 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.080 I don't have to do anything, and I could just 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:37.119 sit here and have a beer and like whatever. 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:41.280 So I've just been enjoying that in terms of my vibe. 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:42.240 And so that's great. 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.879 That's a great way to realize we all have to 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:47.680 like slow down and just be where you are sometimes 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:50.199 unless you hate where you are, in which case you 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:52.159 can always get out of it. Nothing's permanent, you know. 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:56.080 That's my favorite quote, Nothing's permanent. I speaking of what 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:57.680 like full circle to what we talked about at the 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:00.399 beginning of this episode. Somebody just wrote us and said, 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:03.600 I'm listening to Bound and the hospital in New Jersey 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:05.720 that you're talking about is where I gave birth. So 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:10.600 people are giving birth at evil nurse hospitals and you 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:14.120 guys have all the boots on the ground info for us. Oh, 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:18.399 I went camping with my daughter this this weekend. It 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:22.000 was so set to be so much more comfortable than 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:24.320 last year. And then my friends lent me an air 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:27.359 mattress that had a slow leak, so like, I was 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:30.480 in a taco every morning of with Rosie on top 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:33.240 of me, which was but she had a blast. It 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:35.720 was great. And then Monday night I did live band 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:39.600 karaoke and I can't say enough about live band KaraOK. 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:40.280 I just love it. 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:44.280 They have less options, but I think the performances are 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:44.920 more meaningful. 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:45.639 Oh. 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:50.240 Also, one of my parents' stray cats is pregnant. Oh no, 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:52.080 your parents are about to be grandparents. 0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:54.520 Yeah, it's quite stressful, but you know, they have an 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:57.160 old neighbor friend that's helping. But my niece was there 0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:58.720 for a little bit and built a house for them 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:01.240 that's waterproof for the cats. 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:02.320 Wow. 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:05.080 Yeah, she's better than all of us. That's an incredibly 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:06.160 young woman at least. 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:07.160 Yeah. 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:09.040 Yeah, just so cool. 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:13.360 I was bragging about her yesterday at the table. Oh 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:17.000 my god, wait, is she a junior, honey? 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:18.600 Like I know, I don't know. Well, I was just 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:20.280 gonna say, at some point, you're going to go back 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:23.520 to my alma mater for graduation and that shit's fun. 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:26.439 Oh my god, you're right, it's really fun. It's like 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:29.359 a tense city a big playing field of tents. Everybody 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:31.399 gets tense with their friends and then it's just like 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:32.960 drinking and fun. 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:39.720 I learned how to say graduation and Russian scholow. 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:42.800 I just looked. That was one of my vocab words 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:46.000 for the week. Graduation. It's perfect. It's that it's that 0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:50.479 time of year, and congratulations to everybody graduating or you know, 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:53.679 having a graduate go through the education system. 0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:55.720 Oh my god. I got into a fight at my 0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:59.080 coffee shop. I'm sitting and these two guys are talking 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:02.000 about AI and I just can't and I just can't. 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:04.000 I just I had enough. So I go, you, guys, 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:06.120 it's stupid. It doesn't have to happen, like you shouldn't 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:08.000 be using it. And I kind of go off, and 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:09.560 he goes, you don't get No, we're talking about research. 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:11.919 I go, especially for research. I go, it's not accurate. 0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:14.639 It's not accurate information. It's taking all information. Some of 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:17.000 it's not accurate. They're forcing it upon us. You can't 0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:19.560 opt out, I'm like. And then they're like, I'm like, 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:21.640 people are getting fired. They're like, well, that's not real, 0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:24.199 that's this and that, And then I finally went and 0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:26.240 this was my fault of course, like I should have 0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:27.080 been more composed. 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:29.920 There always gets to be this part in the argument 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:32.080 where you're like, and then I said something crazy. 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:34.680 I went, well that and I go, well, that's because 0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:38.840 you're losers and nerds. And then the guy went, well, 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:42.600 you're really not elegant listening into a conversation and butting in, 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:45.240 and I went, honey, I'm not here trying to be elegant, 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:49.119 and he goes, yeah, I can tell, and then I 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:49.880 went whatever. 0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:54.119 And then we were like sitting and the what the fuck? 0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:57.480 And then they were they were they felt weird, and 0:24:57.480 --> 0:24:58.919 I could tell I go, you guys, it's fine, you 0:24:58.920 --> 0:24:59.919 can continue talking. 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:01.959 Everything is normal. I don't feel weird about this. 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:04.760 And so then we sat next to each other for 0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:07.560 another probably ten fifteen minutes as they ate their banana bread. 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:12.240 Well, first of all, the fucking all these graduation speeches. Yeah, 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:16.280 wherever the kids are rebelling and booing, these speeches about Ai. 0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:20.640 I was talking to someone over the weekend who this 0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:23.960 is my friend and her husband that own she's a 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:27.239 fashion designer and he works for her and they are 0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:29.840 a small business. And he was like going on about 0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:32.399 how AI is so amazing, and it built this It 0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:35.440 built this app for him that's customized to their business, 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:37.160 that does the work that it takes him a week 0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:40.000 to do in like a day, and I was like yeah, 0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:43.520 and like pretty soon you're like your wife can replace you, 0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:45.399 you know, Like I was kind of trying to like 0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:47.639 I don't want to like start a fight at like 0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:51.240 a Scouts camping trip, but I was definitely like doing 0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:53.040 digs where I was like, yeah, it just kind of sucks, 0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:55.120 like in my line of work that like people are 0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:58.320 like not getting copywriting jobs or voiceover jobs or jobs 0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:00.399 that like used to be sort of like middle class 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.919 entertainment jobs because computers are gonna do them. And they're like, 0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:05.960 oh yeah for that. We don't agree with AI. Like 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:08.360 everybody like is like I have a reason why I 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:11.199 need it, but like, you know, well, I. 0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:14.560 At my doctor's appointment, she goes, hey, so we're using 0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:17.200 a new thing where AI summarizes everything we talk about 0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:21.880 and I go no, I go absolutely not, and she goes, Okay, 0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:24.159 I guess I'll type it in manually, and I go, 0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:27.960 you will, Yeah, are you out of your fucking mind? 0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:32.040 I guess they have. Maybe I'm the horn they baby. 0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:33.800 I posted about my fight at the coffee shop, and 0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:35.680 obviously the people that follow me were on my side, 0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:38.359 thank you very much, and the briastes as well. After 0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:39.879 he left, I go, I'm so sorry, and they're like, 0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:42.040 he's still they still tipped. It's fine. I go, I'm sorry. 0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:43.920 I don't mean to like fight at your shop. They're like, well, 0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:45.720 we hate them and they were losers, and I go great. 0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:50.280 They yeah, the when I get started on AI, you know, 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:51.080 I really can't stop. 0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:53.119 Yah, yeah, yeah, no, I know. Oh no, I was 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:55.520 gonna say. They did a storyline on the pit that 0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:58.280 was sort of meant to like they have there's like 0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:00.719 a new resident head resident comes in and he's like, hey, 0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:03.000 we're gonna all use this AI software, and everybody's kind 0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:05.280 of like all right, whatever, and then the computers go 0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:09.520 down in the whole er for hours in a cyber attack, 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:11.919 and they have to go back to literally paper and 0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:15.040 running things manually. And I think they're definitely making a 0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:18.320 comment of like, well, it used to be here, which 0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:21.880 is super crazy like the old way, but the new 0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:25.200 way is also too reliant on a lot of things. 0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:27.880 So I don't want AI to have my medical shit 0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:30.400 are you out of your mind? Why are we trusting 0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:36.320 the most evil people on the planet? Yeah, with everything sensitive? Yeah, 0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:38.680 we all of our information in the episode. I'm obviously Yeah, 0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.040 we gotta start, We gotta start. This is a This 0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.840 is a fucking banger of an episode. Don't go anywhere 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:47.440 as usual, we're doing extra fun stuff on Patreon. 0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:50.280 A lot of you were into our Twilight recap. There's 0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:53.880 more where that came from. Come uh join us over 0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:56.440 at patreon dot com. Slash that's messed up. We've got 0:27:56.520 --> 0:28:00.640 merch uh, promo codes, tourdates for Lisa, all kinds of stuff. 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:02.359 Is that that's messed up live dot com. So you 0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:07.280 can go over there and yeah, enjoy and let's get started. 0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:16.520 Oh hello, Oh we already did that. We're here with 0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:21.440 the episode. We are doing Venom Today, Season seven, episode eighteen, 0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:24.240 March twenty eighth, two thousand and six. 0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:28.440 So that's cool. A classic, a scary one we've been 0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:31.400 waiting before. William Lewis, this was one of my scariest 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:34.560 got like Darius was a scary scary man for me 0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:36.080 one hundred percent. 0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:40.160 And you guys, it is like part of two episodes 0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:44.080 seasons apart, but we're not doing it until we get ludicrous. 0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:47.080 So if you want to know what happens, like, you 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:51.480 can go watch it. But it's called school what is 0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:53.720 it called scorch screwed, screwed, screwed. 0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:55.760 So yeah, if you want to hear the second half, 0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:58.640 you're going to have to pull help us, help us 0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:03.360 get Ludacris start. Are scouring your contacts because peoples. 0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:06.800 So someone messaged me that they know Corey Stole or 0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:13.360 Stole's wife and that they sent her the podcast to 0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:15.960 listen to. And I go and she got a kick 0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:17.480 out of it. I'm like, yeah, I mean she knows 0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:20.560 her husband's hot, you know, yeah, yeah. 0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:22.920 Yeah, So someone's got to know Ludacrous's wife or something. 0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:25.800 Come on, yeah, like where's the I've gotten Taco Bell 0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:29.160 gift cards from someone that's listened. If you're still listening, 0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:34.640 thank you. Like it's one day, we'll get him. One day. 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:39.520 We're mafesting it and he's a virgo. It would be 0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:42.800 so powerful, it would be too powerful. Maybe maybe that's 0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:44.800 why he's not doing it. He knows. So we're at 0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:50.960 venom like a snake. So some wise guys are driving. 0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:52.920 Why did I write that they're cops, but in the 0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:54.480 beginning I thought they were wise guys. 0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:56.600 It's night. 0:29:56.640 --> 0:30:00.160 They're talking about their wives, Classic New York, and one 0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:02.800 of them is very pro sex and is like, get 0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:06.240 your wife new batteries for her vibrator and she'll stay longer. 0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:08.320 But it's like, wouldn't she leave? Like I don't get that. 0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:11.239 I don't really get it. 0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:15.000 Yeah, he's like, she'll stay married if she's happy with you. 0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:17.200 But in two thousand and six and you're married to 0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:21.720 a cop, maybe that's there's Culturally they don't they won't 0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:24.440 get divorced if she's like coming with a vibrator once 0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:26.960 a week or something. I don't know, But then she 0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:28.080 wouldn't get the batteries. 0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:32.560 Like this guy is doing the errands of now he's 0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:37.640 gonna go get the batteries. Yeah, okay, like it's just crazy. Sure, 0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:42.440 so he says bigger and better than you, and then 0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:45.360 the other guy's like shut up. And then and then 0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:47.680 the other guy goes, I'm just tugging your tea bag. 0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:52.080 So this is obviously a romance novel. Beginning, I did 0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:54.200 not clock I'm just tugging your tea bag. I just 0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:55.920 watched the episode and I did not even hear that. 0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:58.400 Oh everywhere I go. Now I'm like, well, this would 0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:02.520 be ripe for a romance now every dynamic. But these 0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:07.600 guys have obviously fucked and it's clear. So but they're 0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:11.240 seeing it everywhere. Now the cops see something. 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:12.360 Is he black? 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:14.640 Yes, so it's a black man in a hoodie, but 0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:16.320 he is digging in the middle of the night, so 0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:20.600 it is on savory for sure. But they come out 0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:23.680 and the guy's like, I'm not doing anything illegal, and 0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:25.440 they're like, bro, you're digging dirt in the middle of 0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:28.280 the night, so like, what are you talking about? And 0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.640 then one of them just like throws them against the 0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:35.000 fence yells, you know, the drill, his hoodie falls. I 0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:36.920 can't tell if we're supposed to know who it is 0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:41.160 or I just know because I know. But Benson comes 0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:45.360 to bail this person out and it is Ken Finn's son. 0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:47.320 So then Benson comes. 0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:50.840 He's bloody in the face, and then Benson is blonde, 0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:54.640 honey highlight vibes, and he thinks her for coming and says, 0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:56.200 I didn't know who else to call, and she's like, 0:31:56.440 --> 0:31:59.160 what about your father, Finn? And he says, calling his 0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:02.400 dad was not an option. She yells, you are being 0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:06.640 charged with drunken, disorderly, resisting arrest, and assaulting an officer, 0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:09.560 and they're claiming that you hit him with a shovel. 0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:11.560 All of this is obviously lies. We saw it. 0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:13.400 He lost his footing. Well we didn't see this, but 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:18.920 I'll testify he lost his footing and he fell and 0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:22.280 the other one arrested him and then started beating him, 0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:25.600 wailing on him with a flashlight. He says he was 0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:28.360 not drunk, he only had a couple drinks, but he 0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:33.200 did have a shovel. So there's that, and she would 0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:36.000 like to know why, and he gets up. Will you 0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:39.120 know my dad? A tradition in our family is if 0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:40.960 you get a new car, he'll buy you a shovel 0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:43.920 for the car to keep in your trunk. 0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:46.000 For shoveling out snow and stuff. 0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:48.120 You just never know when you'll be still never nowhere, 0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:51.400 You just never know. So like it's not a full 0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.840 size shovel, but it's like he gets everyone a shovel immediately. 0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:58.120 Wow, worth a new car. I would say, get that shovel. 0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:03.880 I mean that's hilarious. That's like, yeah, I've never seen 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:05.400 It's like that's not a thing I think of when 0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:07.680 I like open someone's trunk, like, oh, you have a shovel. 0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:14.760 Maybe one of those scrapers, but my dad's whatever. So 0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:16.520 she needs to know why he had the shovel. He 0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:20.080 gets up and walks towards the bars of the person 0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:21.480 or jail holding. 0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:22.120 Cell whatever, I don't know. 0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:25.480 Benson starts to walk out because he's not cooperating, but 0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:27.920 so he realizes he needs to talk or has one 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:31.240 connection to help is walking out the door, and he's like, 0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:33.960 I was looking for something a body. So Benson looks 0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:37.240 stunned and we go into the credits. I don't like 0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:39.600 these highlights on her. I don't know. 0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:41.720 This is probably one of my least favorite looks. 0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:48.240 And this is funny. She's pregnant. 0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:49.880 I don't think she's pregnant in season seven. 0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:53.800 I'm almost positive. I have no idea, But okay, you 0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:56.680 don't like the honey, I don't, which is rude. 0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:58.320 I don't think I've ever said a rude thing about 0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:00.920 her hair. I think it's the bloe she's ever been. 0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:03.240 It's quite blonde, and I do like her with a 0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:05.800 little bit more of a darker I like her care. 0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:08.160 I like when they're like Bolliage, when she has like 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:10.880 soft curls and she has some highlights on the bottom. 0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:13.880 Yeah, but I like her with a darker root. M 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:18.440 that's fair and I think that's more modern. I'm wondering 0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:21.360 if two thousand and six was like happening. Oh yeah, 0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:23.080 Kelly Clarkson red and white. 0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:23.600 Yes. 0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:26.840 My hairstylist was just telling me the other day that 0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:29.680 it's back that she goes. People are just asking for 0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:32.320 these hair chunks, and I keep going, oh, Kelly Clarkson, 0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:34.759 and they don't know what I'm talking about, and I'm like, 0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:36.680 that's people forget their history. 0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:41.000 Well, I told you that someone called Jennifer Aniston that 0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:44.040 girl with the cheating thing with Brad Pitt. 0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:48.640 Like it's it's it's. 0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:53.840 So strange to not know Kelly Clarkson's chunky highlight. Like 0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:57.279 these people have no reverence. It's like, I don't know 0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:59.520 share lived before I was born. 0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:04.160 I know a few looks like I don't understand. Yeah, 0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:04.839 I get it. 0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:09.520 I didn't. I didn't do disco. I get what disco is, Like, 0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:16.600 what has happened? I know who Donna Summer is. Yeah, 0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:19.479 I'm getting back to the episode Finn. Yeah, he's busting through. 0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.520 He's pissed. He's in the precinct. Munch is running after him, 0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:27.360 trying to calm him down. I love their dynamic. Craigan 0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:29.640 comes out and Finn starts in with him too. Why 0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:32.840 is my son in there? And nobody calls me? And 0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:34.799 then he has to be like, babe, he didn't want 0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:38.279 us to, so that's something to explore, and it's explosive. 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.600 He yells for everyone to stay out of him and 0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:44.359 his son's business, and Craigan says, it is my business. 0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:46.759 I've never seen Finn so mad. Craigan is like, I 0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:49.600 need to know who that body is. Where is this 0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:52.920 body who put the body there? So then Finn relaxes 0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:54.879 a little and goes, well, can I at least listen in? 0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:57.840 And Munch is like, he has bruises, but he's fine, 0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:00.600 and the resting officers are getting looked at too, so 0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:04.200 don't make trouble. Craigan ads, Benson and Stabler are in there, 0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:07.480 and Ken starts talking. He was with his cousin Darius 0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:10.480 at a dive bar around nine o'clock when he overheard 0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:12.239 a guy talking about how he killed a woman a 0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:14.640 couple years ago and got away with it. And he 0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:16.680 said he raped her with a knife and buried the 0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:20.040 body in a vacant lot. Crazy secret to give up 0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:22.440 at a bar, you know what I mean? That's like, ohy. 0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:24.440 Over here to be talking about it so loudly that 0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.000 people can hear you in a loud dive bar. Yeah. 0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:29.640 The raping of the knife really takes it to like, 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:31.120 let's not openly chat. 0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:33.280 Yeah, so strange. 0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:36.920 So anyways, so then the bar is called the Deuce 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:40.440 one hundred and twenty ninth and Lennox he didn't know 0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:43.280 the guy. Stabler asks why would you go body hunting 0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:45.600 in the middle of the night from some bar chat 0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:48.000 and he says the way he talked it sounded real 0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:50.640 to me and I had to know. But Benson goes, 0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:52.080 why wouldn't you call the cops? And he's like, well, 0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:54.200 they wouldn't have believed me, Like you're not believing me 0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:57.400 right now, but he describes He's like, this dude was black, 0:36:57.480 --> 0:37:00.520 mid twenties, under six feet, medium billed, puffy jacket. And 0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:02.239 they're like, okay, but did you get a name or 0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:04.440 ask anyone at the bar about him? And they're like, 0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:07.200 did you even find the body? Like, I like, what 0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:09.560 is up, bro? And Ken's like, listen, I'm trying to 0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:12.040 help him do the right thing. Knock on the window. 0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:16.319 Stabler goes out. Finn screams, you are treating my son 0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:19.080 like any bozo off the street. Why don't you believe him? 0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:21.440 And Stabler's like, well, it's his body language, and Kragan's 0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:24.480 asks if Stabler thinks Ken is trying to protect somebody 0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:28.319 or himself. Stabler says, Stabler is such a piece of shit, 0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:33.360 like I don't know. Everyone was so behind him with 0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:36.799 Kathleen and stuff, like being like, yeah, maybe it's your son. 0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:38.799 He did it. He raped a woman with his knife. 0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:41.520 You don't even know him, Like, what the fuck right? 0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:44.920 And this is our third episode with Ken, like we 0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:48.080 have met Ken before, they all know him. 0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:50.200 Oh my god? Do you remember the episode? Who did 0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:53.600 I See on the flight? I texted you guys, John Macgaro, Yes, 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:56.200 that was fun. I don't I bet no one's ever 0:37:56.280 --> 0:38:00.200 gasped in his face from seeing it before now to 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:04.000 diminish his work. But I gasped, But I left him alone. 0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:06.319 I left him alone. Very kind of you. 0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:09.400 But they were in that episode together. Ken's been protecting 0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:11.240 gay kids. Right, isn't that that one? 0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:11.799 Yes? 0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:12.919 Right? 0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:16.560 I think so he's been in two so yeah, well. 0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:22.120 He's in in an not in constitution institutional fail, institutional fail, 0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:25.160 which I don't know. If I was trying to get 0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:30.279 into acting school, I would do that monologue. I would 0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:32.200 try to do that monologue and then they would go, oh, 0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:35.920 we actually don't do TV monologues here, but that is 0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:43.880 let me finish. Okay, so body language, Stabler goes, I 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:46.720 think your son raped a woman with a knife, and 0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:51.040 he says the story's too soft, and then he was 0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:54.880 like maybe he was moving the bodies around. Finish steaming, 0:38:55.560 --> 0:38:58.360 and it's all YadA YadA, like let's dig up the body. 0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:00.719 So then Craigan goes, we can't just go digging. We 0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:02.719 need to know whose body it is, and like who 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:05.760 we're looking for. Finn finally asked, so you not only 0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:07.520 think my son is a liar, you think he's a 0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:09.960 murderer or two, And Sailor says, I don't know, but 0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:12.160 you are the first to admit you don't really know him, 0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:15.080 and Finn hits low and says, oh, like you know 0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:17.640 your kids, right, And now I don't think it's low 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:19.720 because I don't think the first time I was watching 0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:22.880 and typing, I was as mad at what was Stabler 0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:27.759 was accusing because it is clear Ken is lying, but like, yes, 0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:29.600 of course it's to protection. 0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:31.239 Like there's no get to the bottom of it. 0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:33.759 Yeah, Ken is like a sensitive god, like there's just 0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:35.240 no fucking like fuck off. 0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:38.000 I would also like love the statistics on the number 0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:40.520 of like violent rapes of women committed by gay men, 0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:42.160 like at this, we know he's a gay man. 0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:45.880 Yeah, yeah, So it's so annoying. I don't know if 0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:48.399 I get the motive here. No, and now I don't 0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:52.200 think Finn is hits low. He hits honestly too kind 0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:54.680 and goes, oh, like you know your kids right, Tell me, 0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:57.399 is your daughter still driving drunk or did she move 0:39:57.520 --> 0:39:58.719 up to something stronger? 0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:01.840 Soon enough you might be swinging off a pole. 0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:08.759 Then Stabler lunges to attack him, and then Craigan holds 0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:12.160 him back and strains like to scream like Elliott, walk 0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:15.640 it off now, and then Craigan says, that's enough, focus 0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:18.320 on your son and take him home. Talk to Darius 0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:20.719 and see if he has the same story and you know, 0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:23.799 heard the same stuff. So Finn walks to get his son, 0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:26.479 and so him and Benson have been chilling there. Munch 0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:28.880 asks Craigan if he thinks Ken did it, and Craigan goes, no, 0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:32.279 but he is lying. I want to know why. So 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:36.000 that's our captain. Hell yeah. And then Ken goes to 0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:39.360 his mom, Lisa Gay Hamilton, and her name is Teresa 0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:42.200 in this aka Terry and you might know her from 0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:45.120 one hundred and forty five episodes of the Practice or 0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.400 from Sex and the City. Her name is Kendall. She's 0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:51.560 Miranda's neighbor who gives her the vibrating chair. But I 0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:54.320 forgot the daughter's name. It's like Malika, I think though. 0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:55.800 And then that's my daughter, Manka. 0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:58.040 And you would note that if you, if you ever 0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:01.160 bother to stop and talk to us. Yeah, and this 0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:05.120 is her first appearance in this show. We've not seen 0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:06.239 Finn's wife yet. 0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:09.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's wife. 0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:09.840 Sorry x wife? 0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:12.560 Well yeah, so she so she goes, so, this is 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:15.799 Teresa Randall and she is worried about his bruises and 0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:18.200 bandaged face, and she asks what do we do now? 0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:20.359 And Ken's like, why the fuck are you asking him? 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.959 And Ken wants to handle it himself and and Finn goes, yep, 0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:26.600 like you have it all covered. Looks looks good to me, 0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:30.560 and he goes, you know what, I'm going to bed. 0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:32.960 So then the exes are together in the kitchen and 0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:35.640 Finn asks about Darius and she's like, fuck him. He 0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:39.240 is poisoned and always will be and you weren't around 0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:41.960 much so you don't know shit. And he goes, come on, 0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:44.400 you know, I was undercover and i'd be gone a 0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:46.839 lot and she says, no, not a lot, you were 0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:49.279 just gone. So they go back and forth a bit, 0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:52.440 but she goes and opens the door and says sperm 0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:56.080 donors don't get parental rights, and he says cool and 0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:58.880 starts exiting and is like, just tell me where Darius is, 0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:03.399 and she says, autobody on Frederick Douglas and there he is, 0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:06.760 Terry's nephew, Finn says, and it's been a long time. 0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:09.719 So then we see it's Ludacris. Okay, it's Ludacris, guys, 0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:14.200 so it's a thrill, okay. So he goes, it's been 0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:17.680 a long time, Finn, and then Finn corrects him. Detective 0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:21.280 then introduces him to Munch. So he's working on a sculpture. 0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:25.400 He's really artistic. They're setting this up, and you know, 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:27.719 neither of them are interested in small talks. So Finn 0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:29.879 gets down to business and is like, did you see 0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:31.839 Ken last night? And he confirms they had a few 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:35.080 drinks at the Deuce left around midnight. He assumed that 0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:37.680 Ken went home just like he went home. Finn goes, well, 0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:40.680 you know, Ken seems upset, and Ludacris is like, you 0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:43.880 know him, He's always twisting over something. His grades is 0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:47.160 beef with you being gay, and just the way he 0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:50.840 is much ass if anybody ever talked about a murder, 0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:53.800 and he's like, really taken him back, like what, no way, why? 0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:57.080 And he took his fire burning helmet thing off and 0:42:57.120 --> 0:42:58.839 now he's in a do rag and they go, well, 0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:01.000 your cousin said he did, and he was digging for 0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:03.399 a body when the cops pinched him. And he goes, 0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:07.600 that's crazy. He wouldn't let him do that if, like 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.120 he knew what was up. And then he goes, but 0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:12.560 the bar is shady as fuck, like, I'm not surprised 0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:15.280 if there was a killer or two there, and he says, 0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:19.160 I've changed no matter what Terry says, and he's not 0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:22.600 in the game anymore, and he calls Riker's a gated community, 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.480 which I found funny, and then then he goes, if 0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:29.600 I don't care about me, nobody will. And then Finn's like, okay, well, 0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:32.000 will you please talk to Ken because he's not talking 0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:34.759 to me. So now Benson and Stable are gossiping in 0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:36.800 the office and they're like, oh, he has a record, 0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:39.000 but it's sealed, blah blah blah. Can lie to us, 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:43.319 and she says, kids lie and so do yours. But 0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:46.080 they're also looking for Yes, you would know that, but 0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:49.640 you're never home. And they're looking at potential murder victims. 0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:52.719 And they said there's one woman, but they don't say 0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:54.399 her name, and then they say the other woman's name 0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:57.080 and we're gonna assume it's her. So it's Nina Stanfield 0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:00.600 and her her and her baby disappeared and in her 0:44:00.640 --> 0:44:04.239 apartment were seven pints of blood and a four inch 0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:07.680 knife that was engraved was left at the house and 0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:10.239 everyone thinks the ex husband did it, so they go 0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:11.400 to the ex husband's place. 0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:12.760 He's like, I didn't kill my wife. 0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:15.439 Nobody believes me, and Munch is like, well, then, who 0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:17.920 did you know you did abuse her, like, and then 0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:23.320 he goes, yeah, but everyone abuses women like relax, I 0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:26.719 wouldn't take it further than that. Yeah, just hitting her 0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:30.239 a couple times. But he said I didn't hate her 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:32.680 or my son, and I would never hurt them. I mean, 0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:36.960 I'm against domestic violence obviously, very strong, but I feel like, 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:39.520 even if you did punch your wife once, it's different 0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:41.040 than raping someone with a knife. 0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:43.000 Like it is just such a famous prime. 0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:47.000 But I guess you have to assume it's the domestic 0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:50.960 abuser because they asked they can't escalate. Yeah, I hope 0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:54.640 no one clips that. And it's like she defended, defended 0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:58.839 the guy, but whatever. Finn's like, well, who else could 0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:01.400 have done it? And he's like, oh god, so much blood? 0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:04.040 No body, where's my son? And he looks like a 0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:06.640 shell of a man. And police will not tell me 0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:09.280 a thing, but they talk to my in laws, my boss, 0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:12.080 my friends. They labeled me a killer. So then they're like, 0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:14.359 well does the wife have like what other people could 0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:16.960 she have had problems with? And he goes, yeah, you know, 0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:20.439 she had boyfriends, there were babysitters, she loved going out, 0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:23.680 she loved happy hour, dinners with the friends, reliving her 0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:27.840 single glory days, and then Finn's like, was she cheating? 0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:29.080 And he says that's the reason. 0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:31.240 The cops say I killed her, but I was always 0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:34.319 at work always. They ask about the Douce bar and 0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:36.520 he says he's not welcome in that neighborhood. So he 0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:39.120 drinks at home now and he sits with a bottle 0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:41.200 of brown liquor and he tells him to leave, and 0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:44.000 he's about to drink whiskey from or scotch or something 0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:46.479 out of a and it's like one of the big 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:48.440 kind of tubs of bottles. 0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:52.080 So yeah, it's like a handle. He's about to Yah, 0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:53.359 forgot that week time. 0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:57.000 I truly forgot Bad Bunny his name this week and 0:45:57.239 --> 0:45:59.000 was like trying to talk about bad Bunny and I 0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:04.200 had to be like, you know, Benito, And that's how 0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:06.680 I felt right now, like I could not think of 0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:09.600 the fucking word dude, that's. 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:12.640 My whole life. I'm like describing things like I'm second, 0:46:12.719 --> 0:46:15.440 like I'm e s l like I'm truly like all 0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:17.560 the time, like what's the thing where you like you 0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:19.920 put your comforter inside of oh a duvet? 0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:22.480 Yes, Like well, that's actually good for me to hear, 0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:25.240 because I obviously am like, Oh, it's weed's fault. 0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:26.920 But you don't smoke weed? Really? 0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:27.040 No? 0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:30.399 Wow, I drink and I have two kids, so maybe 0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:31.200 that's the equivalent. 0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:34.840 That's the equivalent. But do you think but I drink 0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:35.480 and smoke. 0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:38.400 Yeah, I think all of our minds are going are. 0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:39.160 Going to be most eventually. 0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:39.480 I don't know. 0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:44.080 We're probably speeding it up. We're speeding it up. But 0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:47.360 I am reading, and I keep i'm reading. I'm probably 0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:51.120 going to sharpen things. That's only going to sharpen things. Yeah, 0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:54.239 I already feel my vocabulary growing. JK, what where did 0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:56.320 I forget that existed? A handle? 0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:59.960 Handle? But he says I'd like to get started. 0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:02.640 So he's gonna drink his life away and he's in 0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:07.319 mourning Munchhin Finn are in Kragan's office being like that 0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:11.239 man is so so sad. I don't think it's him, 0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:14.640 and Craigan goes, yeah, we think it's Ken. So Finn 0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:18.160 is like, what the fuck? I know I'm a bad dad, 0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:20.319 but I don't think my son raped a woman with 0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:22.480 a knife. And then okay, I have we talked about 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:24.719 this on the pot already do you say, Like when 0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:28.040 I talk about necrophilia rape, I just say necrophilia someone 0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:30.160 like and then he necrophilia. 0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:32.640 Them, Like, do I have to say rape? Is it 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:33.160 like rape? 0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:33.279 Neg? 0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:36.480 Like what? I think it's implied that it's there's nothing 0:47:36.520 --> 0:47:37.600 a print being given? 0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:41.360 Sure, but what is the word because the tense I'm using, Like, 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:43.640 I know I'm not being grammatically correct, it's what That's 0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:44.560 the best I can do. 0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:49.080 But yeah, yeah, I don't even know if you need 0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:52.360 to Yeah, I don't know if you need to include 0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:56.080 I would I would personally not include the rape. I 0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:59.759 would just say, but committed necrophilia on a. 0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:03.399 Person committed necrophilia, I guess because I'm trying. I'm working 0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:06.759 on a Green River killer bit, and I don't know. 0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:10.319 I think it's funnier to say necrophilia on someone if 0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:14.360 you want, like just from a funny standpoint, that's funnier. Okay, 0:48:14.400 --> 0:48:17.040 But what do I use on our professional pop in 0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:21.400 a committed necrophilia or committed acts of committed ophelias? Like 0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:23.319 what they would say about like Bundy and people that 0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:25.120 would go back and revisit their victims. 0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:29.080 Yeah, I just thought of a really good slur morg fucker. 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:34.680 Oh yeh like you. We would never hire you because 0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:39.000 you look like a morgue fucker. I can't wait to 0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:41.279 start calling people morg fuckers. Do you think people will 0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:42.279 get what I'm saying. 0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:43.960 That? 0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:46.080 I think that that. I like, to me, it's like 0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:48.719 a funeral home would not hire you because you. 0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:50.840 Look like much fun with the dead bodies. 0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:51.280 Yeah. 0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:53.640 Yeah, but you don't think it comes It's not. It's 0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:57.640 not clear enough. If I if I like saw someone 0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:00.400 at a bar being like, no, you're. 0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:01.960 I'm just thinking about it. I'm just thinking about it. 0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:03.719 I think I think it would definitely take people back. 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:05.680 It's not it's it's not an a lexicon. You're and 0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:08.719 you're you know, you're innovative. No, I'm inventing it here. 0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:11.480 I think what came to my mind first was someone 0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:13.920 who like hangs out around a morgue to pick up 0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:19.200 like people's whose husbands died. Oh, like an ambulance chase. Yeah, yeah, 0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:20.520 that's sort of what I was saying. So that was 0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:22.719 the first image that came to mind for me. 0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:25.799 Casey, I'm glad we could catch up this with you. 0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:30.120 Okay, so you're thinking, but that's not even a thing. 0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:32.920 Do you think people sit around the morgue trying to 0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:35.440 fuck the widowed, the recently bereaved. 0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:37.960 I mean, I don't think that, but that was the 0:49:37.960 --> 0:49:41.359 the connotation that was where my mind went. 0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:43.960 But that would work too, Like you're so desperate a 0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:47.360 woman or a man needs to be like crying, like 0:49:47.600 --> 0:49:48.520 just dropped off the dead. 0:49:48.800 --> 0:49:51.520 Well, like I think also sometimes it's like remember that 0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:53.800 episode we just did it all with all the silky robes. 0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:55.799 Like I think that there's probably guys like that that 0:49:55.920 --> 0:49:58.279 hang out and like talk to the grieving widow who 0:49:58.280 --> 0:50:01.160 has a lot of money, Hey, can I be your 0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:04.080 shoulder to cry on? That's more like a funeral fucker. 0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:08.160 I would say, yeah, a more fucker or a more. 0:50:09.680 --> 0:50:10.080 Yeah. 0:50:10.160 --> 0:50:12.839 I know what you're saying. You seem like the kind 0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:16.279 of person that would commit necrophilia. Well, I will come 0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:19.719 up with something perfect. We also need to make some 0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:20.439 Tommy Merch. 0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:24.280 Okay, Craigan is like, listen, your son has an assault 0:50:24.360 --> 0:50:27.880 charge at sixteen years old, had one again, Grammar a nightmare. 0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:30.480 Craigan's like, you know, he had an assault charge at 0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:34.200 sixteen that was recanted, and Finn goes, yeah, exactly recanted, 0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:37.680 but also he didn't know about it, and so then 0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:41.160 maybe the girl lied. And then Craigan reminds him, like, 0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:44.600 stay off this case, please, and Munch defends his friend 0:50:44.640 --> 0:50:46.400 and goes, why would he do that? Like what is 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:48.719 the connection? And Craigan goes, oh, funny, you asked. Well, 0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:52.080 Harry and Ken lived across the street from that apartment. 0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:54.520 And then everyone looks at Finn and is like, oh, 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:58.600 so lying runs in your fucking family. Munch is so disappointed. 0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:00.560 Why would you do that? And he's like, I'm trying 0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:02.680 to protect my son. Munch asked, like, do you think 0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:05.279 Ken did it? Finn responds no, but if you can 0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:07.520 make an easy case, it won't matter if he did 0:51:07.520 --> 0:51:07.880 it or not. 0:51:08.239 --> 0:51:09.880 And Cragan's like, fuck you. 0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:11.879 You know I don't cut corners here and I don't 0:51:11.960 --> 0:51:16.360 just go for easy clothes. Finn says, that's your opinion, 0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:19.120 and then Craigan responds and for your son's sake, you're lucky. 0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:22.040 My opinion is the only one that matters. Stare down 0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:25.160 and now for a dig. They found three bodies and 0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:29.279 body parts. There's people everywhere, all different races, like, so 0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:33.080 it's a really popular grave site, but they're all men. 0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:36.920 Melinda has not found a woman or child yet. And 0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:41.080 then Melinda calls it an impromptu graveyard and she looks 0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:42.280 really cute in her beanie. 0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:47.200 Wait, so now how did they get to this impromptu graveyard? 0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:52.880 Okay, so basically, like Ken heard, Like part of the 0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:56.120 thing Ken heard was that the body was buried in 0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:59.000 like this kind of an empty lot across from a bar. 0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:02.640 So he just went to a random lot across from 0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:04.919 a bar, hoping he would find it. But I think 0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:09.000 this was just another popular burialh and so they're just 0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:10.560 finding a ton of other bodies. 0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:13.400 They're just difference so many bodies. 0:52:14.200 --> 0:52:16.440 Yeah, Like it makes me think the killers are getting 0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:20.040 together and chit chatting like in Dexter Resurrection, because it's 0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:22.680 like you all picked the slot. It also is in 0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:25.440 New York City, and like, I think a lot of 0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:27.879 places are quiet at night, but I really don't think 0:52:27.920 --> 0:52:31.880 you would get away with bearing and a lot in 0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:32.919 the bar. 0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:35.040 Like there's one thing to say, Oh, a lot of 0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:37.040 bodies are in the Hudson River, or there's a lot 0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:38.879 of bodies in the East River, Like that's one thing, 0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:42.560 But to have like a lot that's just like yep. 0:52:42.640 --> 0:52:44.360 This is where a lot of bodies are buried. It 0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:48.400 seems crazy in a like who's strap buying it? 0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:50.759 How did they get into the fenced area, like and 0:52:50.800 --> 0:52:51.719 no one noticed? 0:52:51.840 --> 0:52:53.840 Like how they get the body? Like you have to 0:52:53.920 --> 0:52:57.160 carry the body? Yeah, like wrapped it. So I always 0:52:57.200 --> 0:52:59.200 assume when you're moving a body in the city, it's 0:52:59.200 --> 0:53:02.400 wrapped in a car. You're always like moving moving to 0:53:02.440 --> 0:53:05.120 a new apartment, have a carpet, just got this off Craigslist. 0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:08.600 Nothing inside of it, you know, or it's or it's 0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:10.040 like or it's the trunk of the car. And I 0:53:10.040 --> 0:53:11.960 don't know, you got everyone's got a car to get 0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:13.200 rid of it. I didn't have a car. 0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:16.759 In New York. Everyone's driving now, Yeah, they get shovels 0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:18.600 bearing at the lots. 0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:19.640 It's too much. 0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:24.719 Yeah. So now Melinda nova Okay, so Melinda Novak, there's 0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:29.319 knocks on Craigan's door. She confirmed that the assault charge 0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:33.520 against Ken was bogus. Again, we know Ken, like anyone 0:53:33.560 --> 0:53:35.720 can be a rapist, but like we do know Ken. 0:53:36.280 --> 0:53:38.680 So Munch arrives with Ken and Terry, and Terry goes, 0:53:38.719 --> 0:53:40.640 where can I wait? So then she goes to sit 0:53:40.680 --> 0:53:43.239 somewhere and then Novak and Craigan go to grab Ken, 0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:46.240 but then Finn walks in with a tough, fast lawyer. 0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:50.480 She's tough, and then Finn looks cold as hell and 0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:53.200 Teresa wants to talk and Finn says talk or yell, 0:53:53.280 --> 0:53:55.399 and she says that's up to you. And now we're 0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:58.319 in cement room bars and Munch is there with the 0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:00.759 lawyer in Novak and he does an want to change 0:54:00.760 --> 0:54:03.080 his story at all, and Munch goes, well, okay, but 0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:05.600 what about the baby? And Ken is confused and was like, 0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:07.880 what baby? And I do believe him? And then they 0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:10.360 bring up Nina Stanfield's name. Do you know the victim 0:54:10.440 --> 0:54:13.680 or not? The lawyer goes nope, and Novak goes chill 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:16.200 out and lawyer goes, no, you do your job and 0:54:16.280 --> 0:54:18.279 prove if he knows her or not. It's not my 0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:21.719 client's job to do your job for you. Ken is 0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:25.080 stressing it's killing him on the inside. Munch then goes, listen, 0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:28.280 she was raped by a knife, just like Ken said, 0:54:28.280 --> 0:54:30.719 and Novak adds this young man had knowledge of the 0:54:30.719 --> 0:54:33.359 crime and he lived right across the street. Lawyer goes, 0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:35.759 anything else because we're gonna leave Novak's like, just give 0:54:35.840 --> 0:54:37.560 us the DNA and then you can get on with 0:54:37.600 --> 0:54:38.040 your life. 0:54:38.360 --> 0:54:40.440 And lawyer goes lol lol lol. 0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:43.160 So then tre Senfinn are walking up the stairs to 0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:46.320 the loft lounge trademark that that's what we're calling. 0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:48.080 From now on. Doesn't that sound good? 0:54:48.520 --> 0:54:49.560 The loft lounge. 0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:52.440 The loft Lounge's good, theft lounge. 0:54:52.800 --> 0:55:01.520 She says, you are write that down, Casey, She said, for. 0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:04.360 For trademark, not a pension. What is the patent pending? 0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:07.640 She says, call her patent lawyer, Casey, call her patent lawyer. 0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:12.000 Thank you Jesus. She says, you are not doing him 0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:14.840 any favors getting that lawyer. And he says he is 0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:18.640 the only suspect in a double homicide. I'm protecting him. 0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:21.440 And then from what, like he's innocent? Like from what, 0:55:22.080 --> 0:55:24.840 Finn goes, are you fucking slow? Prison is filled with 0:55:24.880 --> 0:55:27.359 innocent people, and we know what color most of them are. 0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:29.520 So they go back and forth. She wants me to 0:55:29.520 --> 0:55:31.520 be his father, not his friend, and we all know 0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:34.080 he knows like more to what's going on. We need 0:55:34.160 --> 0:55:36.799 him to get involved, so come on, like, let's help 0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:39.719 him tell the truth and figure this out. Finn is 0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:41.840 looking for something in a hurry, and Benson asked what 0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:46.040 he's looking for. He responds the Stanfield crime scene photos 0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:48.600 and sketches, and Benson just opens a drawer and hands 0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:51.319 it to him really easy, peasy, and says, all you 0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:53.239 had to do is ask, And he says all you 0:55:53.280 --> 0:55:55.920 could have done is picked up the damn phone. And 0:55:55.960 --> 0:55:58.439 she's annoyed but knows he's going through stuff, so she's 0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:00.440 being chill and she's like, so one thing you want 0:56:00.440 --> 0:56:02.880 to get off your chest and he says, you cross 0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:05.800 the line. He should have been the next call after 0:56:05.880 --> 0:56:09.400 my after the sun, and that can't happen again. She goes, 0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:12.319 come on, like, let's go talk in private, and she's like, 0:56:12.680 --> 0:56:13.799 your son asked me for help. 0:56:13.880 --> 0:56:14.680 What should I have done? 0:56:14.760 --> 0:56:17.920 He goes not making decisions for my family and running 0:56:18.000 --> 0:56:21.239 interference between me and my son, and she says it 0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:23.759 wasn't her intention, and he knows that she was just 0:56:23.800 --> 0:56:26.720 trying to help, so this is really sweet. He also 0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:29.360 knows they have a lot to work through as father 0:56:29.440 --> 0:56:32.600 and son, and she understands and says sorry, So what's 0:56:32.640 --> 0:56:35.680 the next move? He says, there's nothing I need to do. 0:56:35.920 --> 0:56:38.879 Benson says, listen, Melinda has the info back and none 0:56:38.880 --> 0:56:40.879 of it matches the victim. Like what do you think 0:56:40.920 --> 0:56:43.200 all of this means? He says, I don't know. It 0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:45.799 tells me Ken didn't do it. She says, no, it 0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:48.200 means we can't prove it. We can't get his DNA, 0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:50.680 Like do you want this cloud hanging over him forever? 0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:53.239 Let's get the blood, Like don't you want to know? 0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:56.200 Finn is not okay with that, but Benson says it's 0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:58.760 the only way. And you know it, like you're a dad, 0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:02.000 but you're also cop, and there's no way to separate 0:57:02.000 --> 0:57:03.680 the two, and you know we need to be clear 0:57:03.680 --> 0:57:06.480 with him. So Ken is walking and you just hear 0:57:06.520 --> 0:57:09.759 him going. My lawyer says, no, munchin Finn are following him. 0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:12.520 It's the snowy streets of New York and they're asking 0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:15.120 him now to do the opposite of everything that has 0:57:15.160 --> 0:57:18.040 been going down. And they're like, listen, dude, a woman 0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:20.600 and child is dead, a husband's destroyed, and I know 0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:23.440 that means something to you, So like, decide what kind 0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:27.040 of man you want to be. So then Melinda, see 0:57:27.080 --> 0:57:29.760 he's a good guy, Like you know, Ken is actually 0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:33.040 a good guy. So then Melinda got the lab results 0:57:33.080 --> 0:57:35.760 and of course it's not a match. I wrote, like 0:57:36.160 --> 0:57:39.680 the fact that I've seen this episode fifteen times, it's 0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:41.880 not a match. Okay, so that's not it. So I 0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:44.160 wrote that all caps. It's wilder. So we're all in 0:57:44.200 --> 0:57:47.959 the center precinct and so like Finn and Craigan both 0:57:48.040 --> 0:57:51.560 ask questions at the same time, and she answers like, 0:57:51.680 --> 0:57:52.440 is it isn't it? 0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:54.520 She says, both, what does that mean? 0:57:55.000 --> 0:58:01.920 Same mitochondria, mie cadrial DNA, same mitochondrial DNA. They're related. 0:58:02.400 --> 0:58:05.640 Oh so Darius Ken's cousin. They're close, like you know, 0:58:05.840 --> 0:58:07.960 that's why he probably protected him and didn't want to 0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:10.320 tell us. And Melinda goes, no, babe, can't be a 0:58:10.360 --> 0:58:14.360 cousin brother. He says, that's not possible. My ex wife 0:58:14.360 --> 0:58:16.960 didn't have other kids. She says, DNA doesn't lie, and 0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:20.400 we know that same codes, same sequence, like killer and 0:58:20.440 --> 0:58:24.240 your son have the same mother. He's stun stun stun. 0:58:24.720 --> 0:58:28.320 She's in office room blinds. Fuck, she says, nobody knows, 0:58:28.360 --> 0:58:30.560 and nobody was supposed to know that he is my son, 0:58:30.800 --> 0:58:34.120 not even Ken. Finn says, I know, I understand but 0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:36.560 it's DNA, and she says, it happened before I met you, 0:58:37.120 --> 0:58:39.560 and he had to go somewhere and he certainly couldn't 0:58:39.560 --> 0:58:42.360 stay with me. She was sixteen. The father was a 0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:44.560 bastard and you don't know what he did to me. 0:58:44.920 --> 0:58:47.840 And Darius looks just like him now, acting like him, 0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:50.840 and he's like, well, why why not adoption, you know? 0:58:51.200 --> 0:58:53.200 And why give the baby to your mother? Are you 0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:56.280 fucking kidding? I didn't give her anything she took. You 0:58:56.360 --> 0:58:59.480 knew her. She wouldn't allow blood out of the family. 0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:03.360 That's crazy. That's like a crazy That's like a good line. 0:59:03.360 --> 0:59:05.880 Whoever wrote this episode, that's like a really good line. 0:59:06.400 --> 0:59:08.720 I like, informed so much about the character with such 0:59:08.800 --> 0:59:12.040 little information. He asks about the dad and she says, 0:59:12.080 --> 0:59:14.240 I don't know, but I hope he's dead. And he 0:59:14.280 --> 0:59:16.960 asked what happened to you? And she's traumatized as fuck, 0:59:17.040 --> 0:59:20.040 refuses to say anything, and he's acting like he has 0:59:20.080 --> 0:59:22.840 not been an SVU detective now for seven years, Like 0:59:23.400 --> 0:59:25.440 he's like, come on, you're the fucking problem. 0:59:25.480 --> 0:59:26.080 What the fuck? 0:59:26.120 --> 0:59:30.600 And she is crying and shaking, crying and shaking, she screams, 0:59:30.640 --> 0:59:32.480 you don't know what it's like to be forced to 0:59:32.480 --> 0:59:35.040 look at a face you hate. Every time he came 0:59:35.080 --> 0:59:37.960 over to play with Ken. It was agony family functions. 0:59:38.040 --> 0:59:40.360 It made me sick. I can't stand to look at 0:59:40.400 --> 0:59:43.640 him even now. And then she goes, does Darius know 0:59:43.840 --> 0:59:46.600 you're his mother? She says, I don't see how unless 0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:49.040 my you know, my mom's been dead for years, and 0:59:49.120 --> 0:59:52.720 I wouldn't tell him. He walks out, and Beady Wong's there, 0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:54.600 and I don't know if he's saying it to talk 0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:58.200 to Finn or he's caught talking shit about Finn because 0:59:58.320 --> 1:00:02.000 he goes interesting family dinah as Finn walks by, like 1:00:02.080 --> 1:00:06.000 out of the door. So that that was the moment 1:00:06.040 --> 1:00:07.880 I watched a couple of times. And then Finn says 1:00:07.880 --> 1:00:10.760 a classic line, damn freak show. We belong in one 1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:12.960 of your textbooks with the rest of the fruit loops. 1:00:13.280 --> 1:00:14.880 And you know, I love what they call the mentally 1:00:14.880 --> 1:00:18.560 ill fruit loops. And I don't care if it's like wrong. 1:00:19.040 --> 1:00:22.439 I like it. You're a fruit loop, oh, because it's 1:00:22.640 --> 1:00:24.680 is it also geysto like a gay slur too? 1:00:25.160 --> 1:00:27.880 I don't think so, Yeah, I mean fruity is, but 1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:30.040 I think a fruit loop is just like cuckoo for 1:00:30.080 --> 1:00:32.240 cocoa puffs, like, you know, like I don't know, it's 1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:37.760 like your fruit loop me, Yeah, you're atlutely. I don't know. 1:00:37.960 --> 1:00:38.240 I don't know. 1:00:38.480 --> 1:00:39.960 I don't think it has a gay connotation, but. 1:00:41.320 --> 1:00:41.880 No it is. 1:00:42.560 --> 1:00:45.680 So it also sounds like he's kind of like, yeah, 1:00:45.680 --> 1:00:47.480 my family's messed up like everybody. 1:00:47.520 --> 1:00:47.920 I don't know. 1:00:48.040 --> 1:00:49.520 Yeah, rest its fruit loops. 1:00:49.800 --> 1:00:52.640 Craigan says, go pick up Darius, but Novacco's no, we 1:00:52.680 --> 1:00:55.080 need a little more evidence, and they're like, well he 1:00:55.160 --> 1:00:57.360 said it at the bar, you know. And then Beatie 1:00:57.400 --> 1:00:59.800 Wongs also like work the baby angle. There's a reason 1:00:59.840 --> 1:01:02.360 that baby wasn't brought up. You know. He's like, I 1:01:02.360 --> 1:01:05.440 think it's self loathing. He's a reject, a pariah, and 1:01:05.440 --> 1:01:09.919 it's like whoa, whoa, whoa. But maybe maybe he thinks 1:01:09.920 --> 1:01:12.600 he's like saving the baby from this terrible like pain 1:01:12.640 --> 1:01:15.840 of living. Also, they have to like real like figure 1:01:15.840 --> 1:01:18.080 out if Darius nos or not, because what if Grandma 1:01:18.120 --> 1:01:20.400 gave a deathbed confession? You know, you never know what 1:01:20.480 --> 1:01:24.400 happens on those deathbeds, and so is that merch You 1:01:24.400 --> 1:01:26.960 don't know what happens on those deathbeds? You never know 1:01:27.000 --> 1:01:29.280 what happens on a deathbed. If this was last culture, 1:01:29.320 --> 1:01:31.080 he says, it would be a rule of culture, it 1:01:31.120 --> 1:01:36.920 would be Yeah, but it's not. It's not guys Anyways, 1:01:37.160 --> 1:01:39.760 Then they go, were baby items missing from the apartment? 1:01:40.000 --> 1:01:40.320 Maybe? 1:01:40.480 --> 1:01:40.560 No? 1:01:40.880 --> 1:01:41.520 What fuck? 1:01:41.640 --> 1:01:41.720 Like? 1:01:41.800 --> 1:01:45.160 What's missing? How did he know her? Why bury her? Like? 1:01:45.280 --> 1:01:46.120 What's going on? 1:01:46.680 --> 1:01:49.040 And if he did find out the truth, maybe like 1:01:49.120 --> 1:01:51.880 something small could have set him off, you know, rage, 1:01:51.920 --> 1:01:54.880 surrogate crime. So they go back to the husband. He's 1:01:54.880 --> 1:01:57.200 at work and they're like, do you recognize any of 1:01:57.240 --> 1:01:58.000 these suspects. 1:01:58.040 --> 1:02:00.680 He does not. He's willing to lie say, that's not 1:02:00.680 --> 1:02:01.320 how it works. 1:02:01.720 --> 1:02:04.120 Munch asks if any of his son's stuff was taken 1:02:04.160 --> 1:02:06.280 from him, and he goes, actually, yes, a rattle. It 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:08.720 was passed down by my wife's family. It was wooden, 1:02:09.240 --> 1:02:11.360 this like heirloom, and the family wanted it back and 1:02:11.400 --> 1:02:13.440 I couldn't find it. So now we got to go 1:02:13.480 --> 1:02:16.400 find this fucking rattle. So they're at Darius's apartment. They're 1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:21.920 searching Judith Ciper sniper why do I forget her name? Cyper? Yeah? Yeah, 1:02:22.040 --> 1:02:24.920 and a CSU tech you know, I think Melinda's at 1:02:24.920 --> 1:02:28.720 the morgue and Judith's on the scene today and Finn 1:02:28.720 --> 1:02:30.640 wants her to work faster, and she says she can 1:02:30.680 --> 1:02:34.120 always use a second set of hands, bitch. And then 1:02:34.880 --> 1:02:37.960 Munch finds the wooden rattle. It's hidden in a sculpture, 1:02:39.000 --> 1:02:41.560 but it's been three years, so it might be hard 1:02:41.560 --> 1:02:44.440 to get DNA, and Finn doesn't think the rattle is 1:02:44.480 --> 1:02:47.640 solid enough evidence. Finn goes to harass his son, though 1:02:47.760 --> 1:02:49.680 like he won't he won't pass up a chance to 1:02:49.720 --> 1:02:52.800 do that, so he won't turn on his brother, like 1:02:53.080 --> 1:02:54.720 Ken is like, I'm not going to turn on my brother. 1:02:54.840 --> 1:02:56.760 But it's like he did rape someone with a knife, 1:02:56.760 --> 1:02:58.360 Like I don't know how many more times I can 1:02:58.360 --> 1:03:02.640 repeat that, So so he won't turn on his brother. 1:03:04.040 --> 1:03:06.640 He also hates Terry now for throwing her son away, 1:03:06.840 --> 1:03:09.720 but like, and he doesn't trust Finn, and Darius is 1:03:09.760 --> 1:03:11.960 the only person who's ever been there for him, even 1:03:12.000 --> 1:03:14.440 when he came out as gay, and Finn sucks, and 1:03:14.480 --> 1:03:16.439 Finn's like, well, you murdered a woman, so like it's 1:03:16.560 --> 1:03:18.240 nice that he was nice too when he came out, 1:03:18.280 --> 1:03:20.480 but like, hmm, I think I don't know. 1:03:20.840 --> 1:03:21.720 I don't know what's worse. 1:03:21.760 --> 1:03:29.400 Homophobia or double homicide, so not to compare traumas, but 1:03:29.400 --> 1:03:32.200 but yeah, Finn and Kenn are back at Darius's place 1:03:32.280 --> 1:03:33.920 and there's a photo of the blood and he's like, 1:03:33.960 --> 1:03:34.800 what do you want from me? 1:03:34.880 --> 1:03:35.080 Man? 1:03:35.120 --> 1:03:38.960 And they're like, how long have you known that Terry's 1:03:39.000 --> 1:03:41.160 your mom? And he goes, too long. Grandma told me, 1:03:41.680 --> 1:03:43.880 he says, when she was hopped up on morphine and 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:47.080 begging for forgiveness. But he doesn't like that she told 1:03:47.200 --> 1:03:49.040 him and wished that she had kept it a secret. 1:03:49.120 --> 1:03:52.800 Why did the grandma do it? She's a bad person. 1:03:52.960 --> 1:03:56.960 And it's like the end of well, she was also 1:03:57.320 --> 1:04:01.400 probably like I know that you're birth mother has like 1:04:01.640 --> 1:04:05.320 not been kind to you and like you've been kind 1:04:05.320 --> 1:04:08.760 of cast out, and she was probably like guilty and 1:04:09.120 --> 1:04:10.560 fucked up at the end of her life and was 1:04:10.600 --> 1:04:13.680 like she's your real mother, like make amends, like probably 1:04:13.680 --> 1:04:15.080 thinking she was helping you know. 1:04:15.600 --> 1:04:19.520 Yeah, So he kind of breaks and is like, fuck you, Ken, 1:04:19.800 --> 1:04:22.200 why you what's so special about you and not me? 1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:26.520 And he's really sad in his eyes. Luda's crushing and 1:04:26.560 --> 1:04:28.800 then Ken says, there's nothing special. 1:04:28.880 --> 1:04:30.720 Butt did we talk to Neil Baerr about this? 1:04:30.880 --> 1:04:32.960 Like how did they even come up with the ludas 1:04:33.000 --> 1:04:35.480 like to get ludacris you know, I don't know. 1:04:35.480 --> 1:04:37.560 It sounds like he really wanted to act, you know, 1:04:38.400 --> 1:04:42.560 like for sure, yeah so, but I I don't know. 1:04:43.480 --> 1:04:46.000 I don't know if we talked to Neil about Luda. Yeah, 1:04:46.080 --> 1:04:47.240 we gotta go back and relisten. 1:04:47.280 --> 1:04:50.240 It's been a mile, so he kind so, and then 1:04:50.360 --> 1:04:53.000 Ken goes, there's nothing special about me, you know, and 1:04:53.080 --> 1:04:55.640 Luda says, no, I know, it's not your fault either, 1:04:56.120 --> 1:04:58.760 And then Finn says he thinks you did it on accident, 1:04:58.800 --> 1:05:00.400 and Luda goes, are you fucking kidding me? 1:05:00.480 --> 1:05:02.280 I knew you couldn't keep your mouth shut. 1:05:02.320 --> 1:05:04.400 Like I don't know why he told him, Like Ken 1:05:04.480 --> 1:05:07.000 is such a dogurder, you know what I mean, Like 1:05:07.040 --> 1:05:07.560 he wouldn't be. 1:05:07.520 --> 1:05:09.840 Able to live with this, Like maybe he was more drunk. 1:05:10.200 --> 1:05:14.360 But anyways, he says, I didn't tell anyone, and Darius 1:05:14.480 --> 1:05:17.840 is like, listen, don't sweat, it's probably why I told you. Anyways, 1:05:17.920 --> 1:05:20.120 I got sober, I changed. I couldn't live with the 1:05:20.120 --> 1:05:22.919 guilt for one more day. Finn's like, okay, come clean, 1:05:23.040 --> 1:05:25.080 I'll help you. So they go downtown to get a 1:05:25.080 --> 1:05:27.880 confession from a non family member. We have Munch and 1:05:27.960 --> 1:05:30.200 Kragan in there, and they're like, let's do it. He 1:05:30.280 --> 1:05:33.160 knew Nina threw a babysitter she hired, and they want 1:05:33.200 --> 1:05:35.840 more information. He says, no, I'm not going to lead 1:05:35.920 --> 1:05:37.840 you to this person all, but I will lead you 1:05:37.880 --> 1:05:40.600 to the bodies. I'm guilty of murder here, so I'm 1:05:40.640 --> 1:05:43.120 not going to make any excuses. I stabbed her with 1:05:43.160 --> 1:05:45.040 a knife and I killed her baby, and the baby 1:05:45.080 --> 1:05:49.040 was fourteen months old. Took the bodies from the apartment. 1:05:49.160 --> 1:05:51.360 I went to this in the car. You're right, car too, 1:05:51.360 --> 1:05:53.720 a vacant lot. Dug a hole and buried them and 1:05:53.760 --> 1:05:56.000 they've been there for three years. And like that's when 1:05:56.000 --> 1:05:58.120 he found out the secret. So this probably was like 1:05:58.320 --> 1:06:02.800 within a very close time frame. They asked for him 1:06:02.800 --> 1:06:05.640 to write down the confession. He starts writing, and I wrote, 1:06:05.640 --> 1:06:08.400 I love Ludas so much. Now he is in a 1:06:08.400 --> 1:06:10.920 puffer jacket, Finn is in a leather Munch is in 1:06:10.960 --> 1:06:13.959 a pea coat, and they're digging. Everyone's digging. Melinda finds 1:06:14.000 --> 1:06:16.960 something three feet down. Finn says he did the right thing, 1:06:17.040 --> 1:06:18.680 and he goes, yep, I'm going to spend the rest 1:06:18.720 --> 1:06:21.120 of my life in prison, and Munch goes, listen, you 1:06:21.160 --> 1:06:24.240 confess to your own volition. You led us to the bodies, Like, 1:06:24.280 --> 1:06:27.440 maybe the ADA will take that into consideration. He's depressed 1:06:27.480 --> 1:06:30.560 and over it and doesn't care and he just doesn't 1:06:30.560 --> 1:06:33.880 want to can involved. And it's done. So there's evidence 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:37.320 an adult female age thirty, multiple cutting and stabbing wounds, 1:06:38.160 --> 1:06:41.920 advanced d CAM, lots of defensive cuts, strike marks two 1:06:42.040 --> 1:06:45.440 with murder weapon. Baby was suffocated, soil and lungs bury 1:06:45.520 --> 1:06:50.720 the baby alive. I forgot that detail. The baby was alive, Yeah, 1:06:50.800 --> 1:06:56.440 soil and the lungs. I forgot about that. Yeah. Him 1:06:56.480 --> 1:06:59.960 and Derek Musa really want to torture up a baby. 1:07:00.280 --> 1:07:04.400 And John Ritter, oh yeah, may he rests okay, so 1:07:05.080 --> 1:07:08.320 lots of defense. Yeah, we okay, whatever. The baby's buried alive, 1:07:08.520 --> 1:07:11.960 so I won't say it again. So then Nahshi Horowitz 1:07:12.040 --> 1:07:14.480 comes in and we love when he's on our screen 1:07:14.880 --> 1:07:18.640 and he's representing Darius and Nova goes no deal. He 1:07:18.680 --> 1:07:20.880 says he's not asking for one, and she's rude and 1:07:21.000 --> 1:07:23.320 is like, what do you want and he says, pleasant 1:07:23.360 --> 1:07:27.360 conversation wouldn't hurt. As he sits down slowly, Novak does 1:07:27.360 --> 1:07:30.840 a seething monologue, stands over him, like fuck him, and 1:07:30.880 --> 1:07:34.400 as she so then has she tells Novak amazing monologue, 1:07:34.560 --> 1:07:37.040 so sad nobody will ever hear it. And he is 1:07:37.080 --> 1:07:40.040 like so smug, and he hands her emotion to suppress 1:07:40.560 --> 1:07:44.120 and emotion to dismiss, and it's Judge Louis Preston and 1:07:44.160 --> 1:07:46.720 it's let's go. So then they get two minutes with her. 1:07:46.760 --> 1:07:49.479 She's like two minutes, she's so busy. And he says 1:07:49.520 --> 1:07:52.280 that his client's fifth and sixth Amendment rights were violated, 1:07:52.800 --> 1:07:56.880 that the police interrogated him without council. They argue what's up, 1:07:56.920 --> 1:07:59.840 and bring up like old cases and what happened, and 1:08:00.040 --> 1:08:02.880 then he says, there's an open burglary charge and court 1:08:02.960 --> 1:08:05.040 date that he mentioned and you all knew, so you 1:08:05.120 --> 1:08:08.440 knew he had counsel. All they had to do was 1:08:08.480 --> 1:08:10.480 call him and wait. But they ignored it. And she 1:08:10.560 --> 1:08:14.240 agrees with him, and confession is out and any fruit's 1:08:14.360 --> 1:08:17.000 born from it. So Novaka is mad and runs into 1:08:17.000 --> 1:08:20.240 the Center precinct. They're all fucked. Everyone's flabberg acid. The 1:08:20.280 --> 1:08:23.479 bodies can't be included Finn is like, fuck, Darius knew 1:08:23.479 --> 1:08:25.639 exactly what he was doing. This was all a setup. 1:08:25.680 --> 1:08:28.240 He did it. He's so fucking smart. So they need 1:08:28.280 --> 1:08:31.080 to run and try to find more evidence. So everyone's dispersing, 1:08:31.200 --> 1:08:34.160 everyone's at work and like nothing he said can be 1:08:34.240 --> 1:08:35.559 used or what they got from it. 1:08:36.120 --> 1:08:38.599 And well, here's what I don't understand, Like they found 1:08:39.040 --> 1:08:42.040 his DNA at the scene. 1:08:42.040 --> 1:08:44.679 Yeah, but only because he confessed and brought it. 1:08:45.439 --> 1:08:48.479 Not at first, like at first it was because Ken 1:08:49.439 --> 1:08:52.439 was accused, and then they found out that they share 1:08:52.520 --> 1:08:56.400 mitochondrial DNA the person that was at the scene with Ken, 1:08:57.080 --> 1:09:00.360 So can't they say, like we found a DNA connect. 1:09:00.479 --> 1:09:04.280 Through absolutely, but they can't prove like they don't have 1:09:04.320 --> 1:09:07.800 his DNA, right yeah, true, they need to get his 1:09:07.920 --> 1:09:09.160 DNA to confirm, right. 1:09:09.479 --> 1:09:13.519 Yeah, but it would be a brother of or another 1:09:13.640 --> 1:09:15.839 child that Terry had at some point. Yeah. 1:09:15.880 --> 1:09:18.240 So Finn goes to Ken, like maybe Ken's gonna just 1:09:18.280 --> 1:09:20.240 give him the info they need to help the case. 1:09:20.320 --> 1:09:22.280 So it's like Ken, come on, he is a killer, 1:09:22.800 --> 1:09:25.040 and they're like, does he have any girlfriends? Like any 1:09:25.040 --> 1:09:29.280 of this any of these babysitters on Nina's babysitter list 1:09:29.520 --> 1:09:32.840 or any of them connected to Darius, and he recognizes 1:09:32.840 --> 1:09:36.280 the name Angela Bodden and she is crazy about him, 1:09:36.320 --> 1:09:39.080 bought him gifts and money, but he wasn't that into her, 1:09:39.160 --> 1:09:43.080 but liked how she treated him, like unsafe. She's a 1:09:43.080 --> 1:09:45.920 male person. Now, I'm proud of her, great job, she says. 1:09:45.960 --> 1:09:48.680 The dead baby was a good baby. Unfortunately, so she 1:09:48.800 --> 1:09:51.960 hated the mom for like stepping out on her old man, 1:09:52.120 --> 1:09:54.200 but was mad at her all the time about how 1:09:54.240 --> 1:09:56.720 much food she ate and like, oh, you spend so 1:09:56.720 --> 1:09:59.000 too much time on the phone and stuff like that, 1:09:59.160 --> 1:10:00.639 and so she's like, I don't want to speak ill 1:10:00.680 --> 1:10:04.280 of the dead, but she was fucking annoying, and she goes, 1:10:04.280 --> 1:10:06.760 she did hate my boyfriend, but she had a point 1:10:06.800 --> 1:10:08.920 to hate Darius because he had a temper and he 1:10:09.080 --> 1:10:13.400 got me fired. And so basically what happened was she 1:10:13.400 --> 1:10:17.000 would complain to Ludacris's Darius's character. I just want to 1:10:17.000 --> 1:10:19.360 call him Luda every single time. It's so hard for me. 1:10:19.520 --> 1:10:22.960 So she was like, God, my boss is a stupid bitch. 1:10:23.000 --> 1:10:25.160 So then when he saw the mom on the street, 1:10:25.479 --> 1:10:28.320 he's like, you're a bad mother. So she's like, don't 1:10:28.320 --> 1:10:31.040 bring him around and then she's like, but that's my boyfriend, 1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:33.720 and it's like, you actually are not entitled to bring 1:10:33.720 --> 1:10:36.040 your boyfriend to your job, and he should have somewhere 1:10:36.080 --> 1:10:39.639 else to go. Also, it's like humiliating or buying him stuff. 1:10:39.640 --> 1:10:42.160 He doesn't even like you. You're jeopardized. I mean you're 1:10:42.160 --> 1:10:44.360 a male person now, So like that's awesome, but like 1:10:44.479 --> 1:10:47.840 so strange. She found his knife in the couch cushions 1:10:47.880 --> 1:10:50.840 and fired her on this spot. So he went back 1:10:50.880 --> 1:10:53.080 to get the knife and she says like, but it 1:10:53.120 --> 1:10:57.120 was too late. So then this dummy she goes, you know, 1:10:57.160 --> 1:10:59.960 it's kind of ironic, like if she didn't take his knife, 1:11:00.080 --> 1:11:03.120 her husband would have used it to kill her. Oh 1:11:03.200 --> 1:11:04.439 my god, Like, in what world. 1:11:04.400 --> 1:11:05.200 Is that what happened? 1:11:05.280 --> 1:11:08.360 Yeah, okay, so but they still don't have enough, and 1:11:08.439 --> 1:11:11.040 munch Infinner trying with Novak and she's like, why didn't 1:11:11.040 --> 1:11:13.120 the cops do their job back in the day, And 1:11:13.200 --> 1:11:15.599 you know, classic tunnel vision, they thought the husband didn't, 1:11:16.040 --> 1:11:17.760 So what do they do now? So we're back in 1:11:17.760 --> 1:11:20.960 cement room bars and Novak's trying to intimidate Heshi and 1:11:21.000 --> 1:11:22.920 Luda do not give a fuck, and he tells her 1:11:23.040 --> 1:11:26.200 Hubris isn't attractive, especially for a woman her age. 1:11:26.360 --> 1:11:29.720 Lol obsessed, which is hilarious because I think I look 1:11:29.800 --> 1:11:32.439 this up, like I feel like Diane Neil is twenty 1:11:32.520 --> 1:11:34.840 nine in this episode. I mean she's probably supposed to 1:11:34.880 --> 1:11:38.760 be like thirty five, but it's like, wow, what a read. 1:11:39.840 --> 1:11:42.519 Yeah, I mean all those movies to early two thousands, 1:11:42.520 --> 1:11:45.280 Like I think, like The Wedding Planner, all those people 1:11:45.280 --> 1:11:47.799 are in their twenties, like they're twenty seven, right. 1:11:48.040 --> 1:11:50.799 Yeah, I mean remember Bird Cage when she's like nineteen 1:11:50.840 --> 1:11:52.759 and it's like, why won't my parents let me get married? 1:11:54.560 --> 1:11:57.559 I think she's twenty two in Father of the Bride. Well, yeah, 1:11:57.600 --> 1:11:58.240 because in. 1:12:00.640 --> 1:12:04.240 Nineteen as well, my best friend's wedding, Cameron Diaz is 1:12:04.320 --> 1:12:08.000 nineteen oh right, that one's crazy, yeah, or like twenty 1:12:08.160 --> 1:12:11.559 like something great. Yeah, I'm still in college. So he 1:12:11.640 --> 1:12:13.680 also then fruit, you know, everyone loves fruit of the 1:12:13.680 --> 1:12:17.479 Poisonous Tree. And then maybe that's the tattoo I guess. 1:12:17.360 --> 1:12:19.760 I was gonna say, is that merch fruit of the 1:12:19.800 --> 1:12:22.120 Poisonous tes? Oh my god, I saw the funniest meme. 1:12:22.240 --> 1:12:23.200 It is totally me. 1:12:23.360 --> 1:12:27.479 Hold on, let me fucking I've never been I've actually 1:12:27.479 --> 1:12:30.760 been read a couple times with the memes. Really come 1:12:30.800 --> 1:12:35.240 after me, Okay, this is the meme tattoos. Yes, absolutely, 1:12:35.320 --> 1:12:38.599 it'll lasts forever sticker, what if I regret this placement? 1:12:43.760 --> 1:12:45.479 So true? That's good. 1:12:45.600 --> 1:12:48.360 They got you good. It's so fucking true. 1:12:48.640 --> 1:12:53.519 Got your ass fruit of the poisonous tree. So Casey said, 1:12:53.680 --> 1:12:56.240 I mean Casey, like I wrote this, Casey, you have 1:12:56.320 --> 1:12:58.840 nothing like he You know they're cocky. She has nothing. 1:12:59.240 --> 1:13:01.360 You can't bring charge with the kids, so shut up. 1:13:01.680 --> 1:13:04.120 She says, you're gonna get the maximum and how she says, 1:13:04.160 --> 1:13:07.760 I smell a horse trade. She says, if you cooperate now, 1:13:07.760 --> 1:13:09.920 I can make it thirty years total for all the crimes. 1:13:10.240 --> 1:13:12.719 As she goes, you cannot prove intent. And I didn't 1:13:12.720 --> 1:13:14.759 even know that was part of this conversation, was intent, 1:13:14.880 --> 1:13:15.760 you know what I mean? Like? 1:13:16.360 --> 1:13:18.040 And did we get evidence all of a sudden? 1:13:18.080 --> 1:13:20.599 Are you right that like they can do the DNA 1:13:20.680 --> 1:13:23.000 now like they like everything's out, the rattles out, Like 1:13:23.040 --> 1:13:27.880 I don't get what's happening. So has she's like twenty 1:13:27.880 --> 1:13:30.080 five with the possibility of parole and we can chat 1:13:30.080 --> 1:13:32.519 and Luda goes, no, we don't, and Nova goes, well, 1:13:32.520 --> 1:13:35.400 that's the final offer. Has She says we need time 1:13:35.439 --> 1:13:38.000 to chat, and Darius goes, no, there is no chat. 1:13:38.240 --> 1:13:39.160 I'm not making a deal. 1:13:39.280 --> 1:13:41.960 I want my dan core and Finn says take the offer, 1:13:42.400 --> 1:13:45.760 and Darius says, go to hell, kiss my ass, and 1:13:45.800 --> 1:13:48.320 while you're down there, spread them because you're about to 1:13:48.360 --> 1:13:48.960 get done. 1:13:49.680 --> 1:13:54.960 But he says fucked. His mouth says fucked, and his 1:13:55.080 --> 1:13:59.679 voiceover says done. I rewatched it three times. You're about 1:13:59.680 --> 1:14:02.400 to get fucked, Like I wonder if he like ad 1:14:02.439 --> 1:14:04.320 libbed that, and they were like, that's good. We just 1:14:04.360 --> 1:14:07.120 have to make it network appropriate. Like his mouth is 1:14:07.120 --> 1:14:12.759 saying fucked, like yeah, whoa, I gotta I didn't catch that. Wow, 1:14:12.840 --> 1:14:16.160 I was focused on the spreading. And he says, oh, 1:14:16.200 --> 1:14:20.840 it's about the family, and Darius goes, yep, every single 1:14:20.920 --> 1:14:22.479 last one of you is gonna have to be in 1:14:22.479 --> 1:14:26.160 that courtroom like family reunion. You're gonna have to testify 1:14:26.400 --> 1:14:29.240 your lives out in the open for everybody to judge, 1:14:29.280 --> 1:14:32.400 like you've all done to me since day one. They're 1:14:32.400 --> 1:14:34.240 gonna know what kind of cop you are and what 1:14:34.320 --> 1:14:37.080 kind of husband and father you weren't. They're gonna know 1:14:37.160 --> 1:14:40.080 about my brother's sexual habits, and it's like he's just gay, 1:14:41.040 --> 1:14:44.320 but collusion, and everyone's gonna wonder why he's not being 1:14:44.439 --> 1:14:48.160 charged either, and maybe his cop father helped cover up. 1:14:48.240 --> 1:14:50.920 Makes for a nice headline and a no good mother 1:14:51.120 --> 1:14:53.960 is dead, the baby is missing, even though the baby 1:14:54.080 --> 1:14:56.760 is fucking better off, and he goes, sure, I'm gonna 1:14:56.760 --> 1:14:58.920 go to prison, but not for as long as you think. 1:14:59.280 --> 1:15:01.920 And once to sir, Randal takes the stand and has 1:15:02.000 --> 1:15:05.320 to tell the truth, and his lips quiver. That festering 1:15:05.439 --> 1:15:08.320 bitch is gonna have to claim me for the first 1:15:08.320 --> 1:15:11.559 time in her miserable life. And let's see her shake 1:15:11.680 --> 1:15:14.920 me after that, And Finn looks at him, and he 1:15:15.080 --> 1:15:18.120 keeps going, you want to bury me, go ahead, because 1:15:18.120 --> 1:15:20.679 I'm taking you all down with me. When I do, 1:15:21.120 --> 1:15:24.760 and Finn keeps looking. It's a flute noise. Finn walks out, 1:15:25.000 --> 1:15:29.559 Munch has some cuffed. Terry arrives, Ludas scowls at her. 1:15:29.880 --> 1:15:33.280 She says, Darius, like finally her heart softens for a second, 1:15:33.400 --> 1:15:36.880 like she has hated him forever, and he keeps scowling 1:15:37.040 --> 1:15:39.120 as they drag him away, and then it's a close 1:15:39.200 --> 1:15:41.400 up on Finn and he has a lot of emotions 1:15:41.400 --> 1:15:44.320 on his face and it's dick wolf baby. I mean, 1:15:44.439 --> 1:15:46.760 why does he say the baby's missing and better off 1:15:46.760 --> 1:15:50.320 you buried the baby alive. We found him, Like. 1:15:51.280 --> 1:15:53.000 Maybe they didn't find the baby and they just found 1:15:53.040 --> 1:15:58.240 the blanket and the mom. No, because on the lungs. 1:15:58.360 --> 1:15:59.519 Soil was in the lungs. 1:16:00.520 --> 1:16:00.560 Ugh. 1:16:00.720 --> 1:16:03.240 Well, you're not gonna love the real case because it's 1:16:03.240 --> 1:16:16.360 pretty close. So this one is based pretty on the 1:16:16.400 --> 1:16:19.759 nose with the Actually it's the Raymond it's the Raymond 1:16:19.840 --> 1:16:25.040 Levi Cobb case, and Novak actually references it when she's 1:16:25.080 --> 1:16:29.559 talking to Lois Preston about Cobb versus Texas. So let 1:16:29.600 --> 1:16:33.320 me get into this. So on December twenty seventh, a 1:16:33.360 --> 1:16:35.960 couple of days after Christmas nineteen ninety three, the home 1:16:36.040 --> 1:16:40.560 of Lindsay and Margaret Owings in rural Huntsville, Texas is burglarized. 1:16:40.600 --> 1:16:44.320 Lindsay is a man. Just for any confusion, Lindsay calls 1:16:44.439 --> 1:16:46.640 the Walk You knew it would be confused, Yeah, like 1:16:46.720 --> 1:16:50.880 wait who Okay? So Lindsay calls the Walker County Sheriff's 1:16:50.920 --> 1:16:53.320 Office and reports a burglary that a stereo and a 1:16:53.360 --> 1:16:57.240 VCR are missing, but also kind of important, my wife 1:16:57.320 --> 1:16:59.840 and my sixteen year old daughter, Corey Ray are also 1:17:01.800 --> 1:17:03.880 They called around to her friends. No one had heard 1:17:03.880 --> 1:17:06.640 from her all day. Authorities are searching for her, but 1:17:06.680 --> 1:17:09.679 they come up with nothing. Obviously, they suspect the husband. 1:17:10.080 --> 1:17:13.840 He took several polygraphs and he passed them all and 1:17:13.960 --> 1:17:16.320 the authorities kind of started to come around on him 1:17:16.360 --> 1:17:19.559 not being the guy, but the community did not let up, 1:17:19.600 --> 1:17:21.960 like they all thought he was behind it. So it's like, 1:17:22.280 --> 1:17:26.040 you know, small town, everyone's like, you killed your wife. Whatever. 1:17:26.560 --> 1:17:30.240 So the case went cold for a couple of years. 1:17:30.600 --> 1:17:33.880 Like in February of ninety four, they got a tip 1:17:33.920 --> 1:17:37.759 that the across the street neighbor, seventeen year old Raymond 1:17:37.840 --> 1:17:40.920 Levit Cobb, might be involved in the burglary. They had 1:17:40.960 --> 1:17:43.840 initially questioned Cobb, but he had denied any involvement, and 1:17:43.880 --> 1:17:46.759 then this tip led to the recovery of the stolen 1:17:46.840 --> 1:17:51.960 items in Cobb's home. On July fifteen, nineteen ninety four, Cobb, 1:17:52.360 --> 1:17:57.240 who was under arrest in an unrelated case actually like 1:17:57.280 --> 1:17:59.760 a drug case or I think a drug charge, gave 1:17:59.760 --> 1:18:04.040 a statement confessing to the burglary. But denying having anything 1:18:04.040 --> 1:18:05.840 to do with the disappearance of the woman and the child. 1:18:06.160 --> 1:18:08.080 So like, they found the stereo in the VCR in 1:18:08.120 --> 1:18:09.800 this kid's house and they're like you did it, and 1:18:09.840 --> 1:18:11.400 he's like, yeah, I confessed with the burglary. I had 1:18:11.439 --> 1:18:14.320 nothing to do with the other stuff. He did tell 1:18:14.320 --> 1:18:16.800 them during that interrogation that he had a feeling the 1:18:16.840 --> 1:18:20.720 bodies might be in the woods nearby. Okay, bro, like 1:18:21.240 --> 1:18:25.320 you're telling on yourself. That's when they started to feel like, oh, 1:18:25.479 --> 1:18:29.280 this kid has something to do with it. Cobb's lawyer, 1:18:29.800 --> 1:18:32.680 Hal Ridley, his lawyer in the burglary case, like his 1:18:32.960 --> 1:18:36.960 Hashi Horowitz, gave authorities permission to question him in August 1:18:37.000 --> 1:18:39.040 of nineteen eighty four, and in September of nineteen ninety 1:18:39.080 --> 1:18:42.200 five because the authorities told him he's not a suspect. 1:18:42.479 --> 1:18:45.720 Then in November of nineteen ninety five. So now at 1:18:45.720 --> 1:18:49.439 this point it's almost two years. They've really not gotten 1:18:49.439 --> 1:18:52.000 anywhere in this case. They found who robbed them, They 1:18:52.000 --> 1:18:54.880 found the burglary guy, but they don't know where the mom, 1:18:54.920 --> 1:18:59.719 where the mom, is the baby anything. Cobb's father, Charles Cobb, 1:19:00.280 --> 1:19:03.240 concerned about his son after his son like drank too 1:19:03.280 --> 1:19:06.439 much and started getting violent with his pregnant girlfriend. He 1:19:06.800 --> 1:19:11.559 later went to his son's apartment in Odessa, Texas, which 1:19:11.600 --> 1:19:15.320 is Friday night Lights territory. Well, also were Connor stories from. 1:19:15.720 --> 1:19:21.760 Oh I didn't know that. I did. Of course, that's interesting. 1:19:21.920 --> 1:19:23.519 You get out of it because you know if you 1:19:23.560 --> 1:19:25.160 read that, like I read the book of Friday Night 1:19:25.240 --> 1:19:27.960 Lights for sociology class in school, and it was like 1:19:28.000 --> 1:19:30.840 the only way to get out of for college, and 1:19:30.920 --> 1:19:32.960 the only way to get out of Odessa is like 1:19:33.000 --> 1:19:33.759 to play football. 1:19:34.040 --> 1:19:35.280 But not Connor story. 1:19:35.720 --> 1:19:37.360 He got out of there acting. 1:19:38.760 --> 1:19:42.080 So anyway because photos surfaced of him from a few 1:19:42.120 --> 1:19:44.439 weeks ago at a gas station in Texas, like he 1:19:44.520 --> 1:19:48.840 was back home visiting, I think, and all these he 1:19:48.880 --> 1:19:51.479 took photos of people at the gas station and he 1:19:51.520 --> 1:19:52.840 had a jeep Rubicon. 1:19:53.439 --> 1:19:59.639 Oh that's very high school hot guy, I know. He 1:20:00.120 --> 1:20:02.639 But this guy so Odessa, by the way, and Huntsville, 1:20:02.640 --> 1:20:04.880 like where this is all happening is like seventy miles 1:20:05.800 --> 1:20:08.479 away from Houston. I think north, but I'm not sure. 1:20:08.720 --> 1:20:12.240 So the dad goes to his son's apartment in Odessa, Texas, 1:20:12.320 --> 1:20:15.080 hometown of Connor story, to try to like talk to him, 1:20:15.080 --> 1:20:17.519 and he's like, tell me what's going on with you? 1:20:17.680 --> 1:20:18.679 Blah blah blah. 1:20:18.920 --> 1:20:23.760 And on November eleventh, nineteen ninety five, Charles Cobb goes 1:20:23.800 --> 1:20:26.479 to the Sheriff's office and tells them that my son 1:20:26.560 --> 1:20:30.000 has confessed to him that he killed Margaret during the burglary. 1:20:30.200 --> 1:20:33.120 So the dad hold on his son. Yes, so they 1:20:33.240 --> 1:20:37.080 arrest Cobb and they bring him in for questioning, and 1:20:37.160 --> 1:20:41.200 after ninety minutes of questioning, he admits to killing Margaret 1:20:41.280 --> 1:20:45.320 and Corey Ray. And Margaret had confronted him during the burglary, 1:20:45.400 --> 1:20:47.559 like lunged at him, and so he stabbed her in 1:20:47.600 --> 1:20:51.400 the stomach. There's some he sort of tried to say, 1:20:51.880 --> 1:20:54.160 I was holding a knife and she ran into it, 1:20:54.240 --> 1:20:56.400 and it's like nobody buys that he was trying to 1:20:56.439 --> 1:21:00.320 like downplay it. But so then this is off. What 1:21:00.360 --> 1:21:03.240 happens next He brings her body out to a wooded 1:21:03.280 --> 1:21:06.040 area close to the house. Then he goes back to 1:21:06.080 --> 1:21:08.960 the house to get a shovel. He because I don't know, 1:21:08.960 --> 1:21:10.160 he didn't have one, like in the trunk of his 1:21:10.200 --> 1:21:13.320 car from his dad, and he spotted a sleep the 1:21:13.360 --> 1:21:17.360 sleeping baby, So he grabs the shovel and the sleeping baby. 1:21:18.000 --> 1:21:20.879 He could have just left her there, but he brings 1:21:21.240 --> 1:21:25.120 he brings her out to where the mother's body is. 1:21:25.880 --> 1:21:29.679 Then he starts digging the grave. Okay, at some point, 1:21:29.920 --> 1:21:33.839 little Corey Ray wakes up and starts like moving towards 1:21:33.840 --> 1:21:39.240 her mom, but falls into the open grave. No claims 1:21:39.280 --> 1:21:43.240 the guy, and he just put the mom's dead body 1:21:43.280 --> 1:21:48.320 in there with her and filled it up like nightmare fuel. 1:21:48.720 --> 1:21:51.479 Like I know they said ludicrous did this, but like 1:21:51.560 --> 1:21:54.919 this happened in real life too, Like it's so horrible. 1:21:55.000 --> 1:21:58.560 This guy is seventeen years old, Like this is psychotic, 1:21:58.640 --> 1:22:02.880 and it's like it's the same everybody was saying the 1:22:02.920 --> 1:22:07.000 same shit that Kragan was saying about Darius, Like that 1:22:07.040 --> 1:22:09.879 little girl couldn't have idd you, she couldn't have testified 1:22:09.880 --> 1:22:13.519 against you. She's sixteen months old. You could have left her, 1:22:14.320 --> 1:22:17.800 Like what why did you do that? You know, it's 1:22:18.080 --> 1:22:21.960 really really nightmarish. And then he goes back into the house, 1:22:22.320 --> 1:22:25.919 takes the stereo, the VCR videotapes, and a bottle of tequila, 1:22:27.080 --> 1:22:32.639 like really unhinged. After he confesses, he brings the cops 1:22:32.640 --> 1:22:36.000 to his apartment, where he shows them his knife collection 1:22:36.200 --> 1:22:37.559 and is basically like I don't. 1:22:37.360 --> 1:22:39.400 Really remember which one is the murder REPM. 1:22:39.120 --> 1:22:42.120 But here are my knives and then the wedding ring 1:22:42.479 --> 1:22:45.479 that he took off of this woman's dead body. So 1:22:45.560 --> 1:22:47.720 like I'm like this, I wrote, this is a psychopath, 1:22:47.760 --> 1:22:49.400 Like if you have the presence of mine to take 1:22:49.439 --> 1:22:51.400 a wedding ring off of a woman you just killed, 1:22:51.640 --> 1:22:54.800 and then also like grab a stereo and like you 1:22:54.800 --> 1:22:58.040 know that shit, it's like you're missing a chip. Something 1:22:58.080 --> 1:23:01.160 is going wrong in your head. He also, because I 1:23:01.160 --> 1:23:03.200 can understand if he was like, oh no, I'm going 1:23:03.240 --> 1:23:04.680 to get caught with this burglary, I have to kill 1:23:04.680 --> 1:23:06.720 her about like everything else he did after that is 1:23:07.800 --> 1:23:12.760 really really psychopathic to me. So he also takes them 1:23:12.760 --> 1:23:14.800 to the wooded area behind the house where he buries 1:23:14.840 --> 1:23:17.200 the body so much like in the episode he shows them. 1:23:17.479 --> 1:23:20.400 So two years after the disappearance, the bodies of Margaret 1:23:20.439 --> 1:23:25.280 and Corey Ray are finally found. Obviously, the husband, Lindsay, 1:23:25.560 --> 1:23:28.439 is like relieved in a sense because he's like, now 1:23:28.479 --> 1:23:31.960 everybody can stop thinking that I murdered my wife and child, 1:23:32.040 --> 1:23:34.920 and I can also mourn them, because I mean, I'm 1:23:34.960 --> 1:23:37.439 sure he knew they were gone gone at some point. 1:23:38.320 --> 1:23:42.240 So his lawyer, Cobb's lawyer in the burglary case, is 1:23:42.320 --> 1:23:45.320 furious that he hadn't been contacted before they questioned Cobb 1:23:45.320 --> 1:23:49.400 about the murder and that his subsequent confession like that 1:23:49.439 --> 1:23:52.559 they never called him during that whole process, and so 1:23:52.640 --> 1:23:54.920 he motioned to have the confession thrown out on the 1:23:54.920 --> 1:23:57.960 grounds that his sixth Amendment right to counsel had been violated. 1:23:58.360 --> 1:24:01.720 The judge did not go for it and Cobb. They 1:24:01.720 --> 1:24:04.679 said Cobb had been mirandized and did not ask for counsel, 1:24:05.080 --> 1:24:07.640 and they found his confession to be lawful and voluntary. 1:24:08.200 --> 1:24:11.200 So he is a reigned on capital murder charges, and 1:24:11.240 --> 1:24:13.760 in February of nineteen ninety seven his trial begins. He 1:24:13.840 --> 1:24:17.360 is convicted and gets the death penalty pretty quickly after that. 1:24:17.920 --> 1:24:21.200 And then three years later, in two thousand, Cobb's defense 1:24:21.280 --> 1:24:23.920 team appealed and once again said his right to council 1:24:24.160 --> 1:24:28.200 was violated, and the Court of Criminal Appeals of Texas 1:24:28.680 --> 1:24:32.040 did overturn his conviction on appeal in a vote of 1:24:32.080 --> 1:24:36.479 six to three. Everyone is stunned, shocked, pissed, like they 1:24:36.520 --> 1:24:39.799 take it to the Supreme Court of the United States 1:24:40.080 --> 1:24:44.360 which agrees to hear the case, and they eventually reverse 1:24:44.439 --> 1:24:47.840 the decision by the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals, and 1:24:47.880 --> 1:24:50.720 the Supreme Court states that the sixth Amendment right to 1:24:50.800 --> 1:24:55.320 council is offense specific and attaches to charged and sufficiently 1:24:55.360 --> 1:25:01.280 related uncharged offenses, not necessarily offenses factual related to those 1:25:01.360 --> 1:25:03.880 that have actually been charged. So just because they charged 1:25:03.960 --> 1:25:09.120 him for the burglary, which was connected, it was like, 1:25:09.439 --> 1:25:12.200 it's that's a different offense that he was being charged for. 1:25:13.000 --> 1:25:16.040 So he didn't have the right to counsel there, And 1:25:16.080 --> 1:25:18.400 he was properly mirandized and could have asked for counsel 1:25:18.439 --> 1:25:20.840 at any time and did not. And I think in 1:25:20.880 --> 1:25:23.640 this case, we know ludacrous sort of like planned this, 1:25:23.760 --> 1:25:25.559 but in this case, I definitely don't think this kid 1:25:25.600 --> 1:25:30.080 had anything planned. So five years later, in early two 1:25:30.080 --> 1:25:34.040 thousand and five, Cobb was twenty eight years old, and 1:25:34.080 --> 1:25:36.720 he became one of seventy two death row inmates whose 1:25:36.760 --> 1:25:41.840 sentences were commuted after Roper versus Simmons, a Supreme Court 1:25:41.880 --> 1:25:45.599 ruling found that the Constitution prohibits the execution of people 1:25:45.640 --> 1:25:48.679 who were under eighteen when they committed their crimes. So 1:25:49.160 --> 1:25:52.120 this guy is involved now in two The one of 1:25:52.160 --> 1:25:55.240 the cases is Cobb versus Texas, which is this landmark 1:25:55.280 --> 1:26:00.360 case that like you actually don't have a right to counsel, 1:26:00.439 --> 1:26:03.680 like built in if you're charged with something else, you 1:26:03.720 --> 1:26:06.200 always have a right to counsel, of course. And then 1:26:06.240 --> 1:26:09.160 the second one was he actually got his life sentence commuted. 1:26:09.360 --> 1:26:13.240 So and David Weeks, who is the DA who prosecuted him, 1:26:13.439 --> 1:26:16.960 was obviously not happy to see a sentence commuted. Although 1:26:17.040 --> 1:26:21.040 like when this just when this Supreme Court decision passed 1:26:21.080 --> 1:26:24.439 about the being under eighteen, like so many of the 1:26:24.479 --> 1:26:27.719 cases were in Texas, like Texas like loves the death penalty, 1:26:27.880 --> 1:26:30.080 loves to kill people that are under eighteen, like loved 1:26:30.120 --> 1:26:33.320 it at the time. Now it's changed. And David Weeks, 1:26:33.320 --> 1:26:35.920 the DA who prosecuted him, said, quote, the way he 1:26:35.960 --> 1:26:38.559 carried out the crime tells you more than what his 1:26:38.560 --> 1:26:41.599 physical age was. There are people younger than eighteen out 1:26:41.640 --> 1:26:44.280 there who are as scary as anybody you can come across. 1:26:44.439 --> 1:26:47.320 They're just wired differently. If ever, there was a crime 1:26:47.320 --> 1:26:49.920 that the death penalty was designed to punish, that was it. 1:26:51.439 --> 1:26:54.360 And I mean he's not totally. I mean, I don't 1:26:54.360 --> 1:26:55.760 really believe in the death penalty. I think he can 1:26:55.800 --> 1:26:57.599 rot in prison for the rest of his life. But like, yeah, 1:26:57.680 --> 1:27:01.040 he the way that this crime came about was really 1:27:01.240 --> 1:27:04.360 like very born psychopath. But he's still in prison today. 1:27:04.400 --> 1:27:07.400 He'd probably be around forty eight years old, forty eight, 1:27:07.479 --> 1:27:15.679 forty nine. And that's where they got the Luda crime devastating. Yeah, 1:27:15.880 --> 1:27:20.760 like really really so terrible, and honestly, there's not a 1:27:20.760 --> 1:27:24.240 Wikipedia page about this crime, Like there's not like there's 1:27:24.280 --> 1:27:26.640 a really bad murder Pedia page about it, but like 1:27:26.680 --> 1:27:28.479 I had to look at court documents. I had to 1:27:28.520 --> 1:27:32.920 find like a little crime documentary that was like there 1:27:33.000 --> 1:27:36.320 just wasn't a lot. There's not you know, like usually 1:27:36.720 --> 1:27:39.519 there's a Wikipedia page about like the killer the crime, 1:27:39.680 --> 1:27:45.360 Like there's there's a Wikipedia page about the Supreme Court ruling, 1:27:45.720 --> 1:27:48.599 but really like to get the details of the crime itself, 1:27:48.680 --> 1:27:49.960 you had to go I had to go into like 1:27:49.960 --> 1:27:54.800 the court documents and everything. So yeah, interestingly, this case 1:27:54.880 --> 1:27:58.160 is it's so horrific, but it's kind of only relevant 1:27:58.160 --> 1:28:00.160 because of the Supreme Court ruling around. 1:28:00.280 --> 1:28:02.280 It's like the only reason that it's Yeah, killing the 1:28:02.360 --> 1:28:05.599 babies takes it to a new level that. 1:28:05.600 --> 1:28:11.240 You didn't need I mean that I don't know, like 1:28:11.280 --> 1:28:13.479 I could guess some psycho killers are like, oh, it's 1:28:13.479 --> 1:28:15.120 a seven year old. They're gonna say who I am. 1:28:15.280 --> 1:28:17.160 They're going to testify. I've got to get rid of 1:28:17.200 --> 1:28:17.400 all the. 1:28:17.400 --> 1:28:20.639 Evidence, Like, oh yeah, we canna understand that that I'd 1:28:20.640 --> 1:28:23.120 be like, you're a psycho, but you're covering up your crimes. 1:28:23.160 --> 1:28:26.639 This is like you just were like, oh and then alive. 1:28:26.760 --> 1:28:31.120 It's like it's just so horrific. Anyway, Anyway, it's bad. 1:28:31.200 --> 1:28:35.280 But we have a wild interview coming up, so don't 1:28:35.400 --> 1:28:45.720 anybody go anywhere, all right, guys, today's guest is an 1:28:45.880 --> 1:28:47.200 SVU legend. 1:28:47.360 --> 1:28:48.320 You may know him. 1:28:49.120 --> 1:28:52.400 We know him for his roles in two classic nineteen 1:28:52.479 --> 1:28:55.280 eighty eight movies, Beaches and Big Business, two of our 1:28:55.320 --> 1:28:57.640 Absolute Waves. He has also been in two of the 1:28:57.680 --> 1:29:00.200 original Naked God movies. But you know him best as 1:29:00.520 --> 1:29:05.920 defense attorney turned judge Hashi Horowitz. Please enjoy our chat 1:29:05.960 --> 1:29:09.200 with Joe Grifassi. If we get into your tenure as 1:29:09.240 --> 1:29:14.000 Hashi Horowitz, you defend some pretty bad men as she is. 1:29:13.960 --> 1:29:15.439 The King of Sleeves Bay. 1:29:15.640 --> 1:29:17.320 Yeah, defense attorneys. 1:29:17.320 --> 1:29:20.720 In fact, that was my first you know, to go 1:29:20.840 --> 1:29:26.479 back to that when that started, I mean, as you 1:29:26.640 --> 1:29:29.000 had been on for a year and then really a 1:29:29.000 --> 1:29:31.160 good friend of mine who I got it. It's a 1:29:31.200 --> 1:29:33.320 shout out to how do you shout out to a 1:29:33.360 --> 1:29:36.160 person that's deceased and you can't, but I mean you 1:29:36.240 --> 1:29:39.080 hope you do. But he was a wonderful guy and 1:29:39.080 --> 1:29:41.680 a brilliant direct named Jonathan Kaplan who had done a 1:29:41.800 --> 1:29:45.519 lot of films, had a pedigree in his family. He 1:29:45.560 --> 1:29:49.960 was Van Heflin's nephew. His father was blacklisted from MGM 1:29:50.040 --> 1:29:53.120 in the fifties. But he and he took what he 1:29:53.200 --> 1:29:56.439 knew from learning that business right all the way into 1:29:56.479 --> 1:30:01.400 television and into SVU because when when he called me, 1:30:01.439 --> 1:30:02.960 I had already done a movie of the Week with 1:30:03.080 --> 1:30:04.600 him when he called me. 1:30:05.439 --> 1:30:07.240 By the way, he won Jody Foster and. 1:30:07.280 --> 1:30:11.120 Oscar for the accused of Oh yeah, brilliant film director. Yeah, 1:30:11.160 --> 1:30:16.000 he had great films and he when he directed, he 1:30:16.160 --> 1:30:18.640 was like, yeah, that was the one, let's go. 1:30:18.960 --> 1:30:21.600 You know. He didn't dick her around. He knew, you know, 1:30:21.640 --> 1:30:22.919 because he learned that way. 1:30:23.240 --> 1:30:26.880 And yeah, he was the one that said, you know, 1:30:26.920 --> 1:30:29.320 all these great shots we've done with you and her 1:30:29.479 --> 1:30:33.160 and all the interplay says, forget about it because once 1:30:33.200 --> 1:30:36.639 they get it into the editing. With SVU and Law 1:30:36.640 --> 1:30:41.599 and Order generally the early period, I remember, especially you guys. 1:30:41.439 --> 1:30:41.960 Would know this. 1:30:42.280 --> 1:30:44.559 They did this big head stuff, you know what I mean, 1:30:45.160 --> 1:30:47.759 everything went to the big head. And what you don't 1:30:47.800 --> 1:30:50.720 see is that the scene that was played in the 1:30:50.760 --> 1:30:53.160 medium shots or even in the two shots was some 1:30:53.280 --> 1:30:54.160 great chemistry. 1:30:54.240 --> 1:31:00.640 You know. But uh episode of SVU is one of 1:31:00.640 --> 1:31:06.240 my favorite top two episodes. I would say, yeah, I 1:31:06.240 --> 1:31:09.720 mean the shootout in the court, that whole episode. 1:31:09.960 --> 1:31:14.040 Oh yeah, the twitter was that the one with the. 1:31:13.960 --> 1:31:15.840 With the races white nationalists? 1:31:16.000 --> 1:31:19.519 Yes, yeah, So it was great because Jonathan when he 1:31:19.560 --> 1:31:21.080 called me up, he said, Yoe, I want you to 1:31:21.120 --> 1:31:24.280 do this. He says, Heshi, He says, I know he's 1:31:24.760 --> 1:31:27.640 you know, I think he's like a public defender. And 1:31:27.680 --> 1:31:30.080 he says, and you're going to defend uh an area 1:31:30.160 --> 1:31:33.400 nation guy, And I said, oh, that's wonderful. And he 1:31:33.520 --> 1:31:35.360 was the one that put the stamp on the character 1:31:35.560 --> 1:31:37.880 and told the producers because they really liked they wanted 1:31:37.960 --> 1:31:39.400 him to come to New York, but he wouldn't. 1:31:39.560 --> 1:31:40.920 He was doing the r at the time. 1:31:41.320 --> 1:31:45.880 And uh, they said, uh, he said, this guy's great 1:31:45.960 --> 1:31:49.320 because he's like a real public defender. He has to 1:31:49.320 --> 1:31:53.960 take whatever Helly gets, and for the Jew to get the. 1:31:54.000 --> 1:31:56.479 Nazi is perfect, you know what I mean. I think 1:31:56.520 --> 1:31:59.200 at one point, doesn't he say he wonderful actor by 1:31:59.240 --> 1:32:04.120 the way played the cop or the guy. Didn't he 1:32:04.160 --> 1:32:06.120 say I don't know, ask my Jew or something like that. 1:32:06.200 --> 1:32:10.920 Yeah, yeah, I mean that episode is wild that it 1:32:10.960 --> 1:32:13.760 was on NBC with some of the language in it, 1:32:14.080 --> 1:32:16.960 but also still relevant today, like so much of s 1:32:17.000 --> 1:32:21.400 for you, Like yeah, case is like it's like so 1:32:22.439 --> 1:32:24.559 if it aired this year, it would make sense. 1:32:24.960 --> 1:32:26.440 It was great because. 1:32:28.080 --> 1:32:31.360 For me it's cemented who my character would be in 1:32:31.400 --> 1:32:34.760 the future. Because I was kind of like, you know, 1:32:35.200 --> 1:32:36.760 I have to do this, you know what I mean. 1:32:36.960 --> 1:32:39.320 This is not only I always we Jonathan. I used 1:32:39.320 --> 1:32:40.680 to joke, I said, I have to do this, not 1:32:40.840 --> 1:32:45.040 just because it's my job, because it's my tumudic responsibility, 1:32:45.280 --> 1:32:46.120 you know, to. 1:32:46.120 --> 1:32:47.720 See justice, you know what I mean. 1:32:48.080 --> 1:32:51.559 And I love playing that And I spent considerable time 1:32:51.600 --> 1:32:54.719 down at the courts years earlier because when I did, 1:32:55.600 --> 1:32:56.679 I did a film called. 1:32:56.479 --> 1:32:59.479 Presumed Innocent with my old friend Brad Whitford, who I 1:32:59.520 --> 1:33:04.160 heard crazy Bread. It was just like the second assistant 1:33:04.240 --> 1:33:07.680 to the left. He played role Julia's assistant in the 1:33:07.920 --> 1:33:08.479 in that one. 1:33:08.800 --> 1:33:12.880 And uh and we we spent time down at at 1:33:12.880 --> 1:33:17.080 the court. You know Alan Pacola, who was a genius director. 1:33:17.160 --> 1:33:20.760 I loved him and he he said, I want you 1:33:20.800 --> 1:33:21.479 to go spend time. 1:33:21.560 --> 1:33:22.040 So we spent. 1:33:22.160 --> 1:33:24.360 I spent a couple of weeks with the I sat 1:33:24.400 --> 1:33:27.000 it on cases and and so I got to see 1:33:27.040 --> 1:33:32.800 the kind of cool, relaxed interplay that goes on. You 1:33:32.840 --> 1:33:34.800 know that you don't some son seat like well, before 1:33:34.840 --> 1:33:38.479 they bring the jury in, the judge and the the 1:33:38.520 --> 1:33:41.240 defense lawyers are like, you know, their buddy, buddy, you 1:33:41.280 --> 1:33:45.519 know what I'm saying. In fact, there's a dick Wolf 1:33:45.520 --> 1:33:46.640 would know all about this. 1:33:46.760 --> 1:33:47.680 Of course there was. 1:33:47.760 --> 1:33:51.759 There's a famous bar down in in Chinatown behind City 1:33:51.800 --> 1:33:53.360 Hall by the courtroom. 1:33:53.360 --> 1:33:54.400 It's called for Leeni's. 1:33:54.800 --> 1:33:56.240 Oh yeah, yeah. 1:33:56.280 --> 1:33:58.840 There's an episode of the show called Last Call at 1:33:58.840 --> 1:34:02.320 for Leanies from like one of the more recent seasons. 1:34:02.400 --> 1:34:04.720 Probably because I don't know if it's closed. I went 1:34:04.720 --> 1:34:06.679 there and had a bull of tripe about three years 1:34:06.680 --> 1:34:09.920 ago old. 1:34:10.800 --> 1:34:13.600 So for Leanie's was great because when you go to 1:34:13.680 --> 1:34:18.240 for Leanie's, you see the defense attorneys and prosecutors sitting 1:34:18.240 --> 1:34:20.960 at the same table, you know, and uh, and what's 1:34:20.960 --> 1:34:21.760 his name would be. 1:34:21.720 --> 1:34:24.160 There all the time at his table. Oh geez, who 1:34:24.200 --> 1:34:26.040 was the famous DA in New York? And my my 1:34:26.080 --> 1:34:26.559 brain is. 1:34:26.479 --> 1:34:29.479 Shocked real life. Yeah, I'm not gonna run. 1:34:31.960 --> 1:34:33.160 At his own table. You know. 1:34:33.960 --> 1:34:38.400 Do you have some favorite judges or a das that 1:34:38.439 --> 1:34:42.639 you would go up against during your SVU time? 1:34:43.240 --> 1:34:46.519 Let me think, oh, yeah, well, Stephanie March would be 1:34:46.560 --> 1:34:47.000 one of them. 1:34:47.400 --> 1:34:52.719 And uh, dian Neel Dianel, I thought you were gonna 1:34:52.720 --> 1:34:53.479 say yeah. 1:34:53.640 --> 1:34:54.040 I thought you. 1:34:56.000 --> 1:34:58.880 Guys have such a great chemistry in this episode Venom 1:34:58.920 --> 1:35:01.920 that we're talking about today that I was like, I'm 1:35:01.960 --> 1:35:04.840 pretty sure he's gonna say unless it's one of those 1:35:04.840 --> 1:35:08.599 things where no on screen is that you actually hate 1:35:08.600 --> 1:35:09.599 each other in real life. 1:35:10.439 --> 1:35:12.040 Oh my god, how could you hate her? 1:35:12.200 --> 1:35:14.479 I know, she's been a guest on our podcast twice. 1:35:14.600 --> 1:35:16.599 She's one of our the other one. 1:35:16.479 --> 1:35:20.479 Too, because I mean, you guys, you guys are really 1:35:20.479 --> 1:35:21.000 good at this. 1:35:21.080 --> 1:35:23.600 I mean you are like you are like, you know, 1:35:24.160 --> 1:35:26.320 sort of I don't know how to describe it. You know, 1:35:26.640 --> 1:35:28.120 a brutal energy. 1:35:28.000 --> 1:35:33.080 Or or put it on a T shirt, Joe, we're gonna. 1:35:32.840 --> 1:35:36.640 Make like happiness. I don't know. Yeah, I like, I 1:35:36.720 --> 1:35:37.760 like those opposite things. 1:35:38.320 --> 1:35:45.599 But anyway, she working together, she's the best. But you know, 1:35:46.120 --> 1:35:49.599 this is goes back to what I said before. If 1:35:49.760 --> 1:35:52.000 you'll see there's a walk and talk scene in that 1:35:52.200 --> 1:35:58.680 episode with me and Diane and we're Those kind of 1:35:58.680 --> 1:36:00.840 scenes make me thrilled to do though, you know what 1:36:00.880 --> 1:36:04.040 I mean for actors, especially stage actors. I think even 1:36:04.120 --> 1:36:08.800 Brad talked about it. And you know, I didn't know 1:36:09.080 --> 1:36:10.800 that was the first time working with her. I didn't 1:36:10.840 --> 1:36:13.880 know what her experience was. I was a devote you 1:36:14.000 --> 1:36:17.080 might say, of thirties and forties American comedy, you know, 1:36:17.240 --> 1:36:20.479 especially in films like you know, for me, the first 1:36:20.520 --> 1:36:22.760 scene of His Girl Friday is it you know if 1:36:22.760 --> 1:36:24.800 you can, you know, And that's pretty much a two 1:36:24.800 --> 1:36:26.920 shot where Carrie Grant and Rosalind Russell just. 1:36:27.600 --> 1:36:29.599 Never lose a beat. That it's a brilliant scene. 1:36:29.600 --> 1:36:32.559 But to be able to do that, and it was 1:36:32.600 --> 1:36:35.479 a two shot, and because they put a side by side, 1:36:35.600 --> 1:36:38.320 they couldn't do the big head because they couldn't do 1:36:38.360 --> 1:36:39.000 the reverses. 1:36:39.040 --> 1:36:41.960 You know, the judge, she was sitting at the desk, so. 1:36:41.880 --> 1:36:44.360 They kept us in frame and it was great because 1:36:44.360 --> 1:36:47.120 we're arguing at the desk, trying to make our points. 1:36:47.160 --> 1:36:51.599 You know, they didn't know, but you know what I mean, but. 1:36:51.640 --> 1:36:53.280 You knew you were going to win, and you know, 1:36:53.520 --> 1:36:56.840 like you came in smug as hell into that court. 1:36:57.040 --> 1:37:03.120 No smug at all. I didn't think I did smoke. 1:37:02.880 --> 1:37:06.000 But he knew that he was going to get this 1:37:06.080 --> 1:37:07.880 guy off. Like that was fun. 1:37:08.760 --> 1:37:13.679 Oh yeah, and ludicrous was good. 1:37:13.880 --> 1:37:16.760 I mean I really, you know, I he was like, 1:37:17.280 --> 1:37:19.200 first of all, I walk on the set and I 1:37:19.640 --> 1:37:20.040 didn't know. 1:37:20.160 --> 1:37:22.559 I didn't know. I didn't know who he was. You know, 1:37:24.439 --> 1:37:25.360 I heard his name. 1:37:26.080 --> 1:37:29.519 He was really sweet and he really wanted to act. 1:37:29.960 --> 1:37:31.960 And there was one take I remember when he was 1:37:32.520 --> 1:37:35.960 you know it was it was it was his long 1:37:36.040 --> 1:37:40.000 speech and close up in that interrogation and. 1:37:41.640 --> 1:37:42.960 They we had to. 1:37:42.880 --> 1:37:46.160 Go you know, sometimes with people who are new at it, 1:37:46.400 --> 1:37:48.640 especially in TV, because the way it works, you have 1:37:48.680 --> 1:37:50.840 to go back in the front for a line or 1:37:50.840 --> 1:37:53.679 something or or get off it. 1:37:54.320 --> 1:37:56.080 And he says, I remember. 1:37:55.720 --> 1:37:57.519 Saying, oh I can do this, don't worry I can 1:37:57.600 --> 1:37:59.599 do this. You know, he really wanted to eat. 1:37:59.600 --> 1:38:03.000 He was arrogant at all, and he did that one 1:38:03.040 --> 1:38:05.599 take and he was just grand in it. I don't know, 1:38:05.680 --> 1:38:07.360 you know what I mean, that long one. 1:38:07.840 --> 1:38:10.519 Great yeah, and it was such a good take that 1:38:10.640 --> 1:38:12.840 I have lines and somebody else, but they never cut 1:38:12.880 --> 1:38:16.759 to us because you know, the sustained take was so great. 1:38:16.880 --> 1:38:20.519 And besides, you know the old adigend movies which I've 1:38:20.560 --> 1:38:21.800 lived through as a character actor. 1:38:21.880 --> 1:38:23.640 My whole life is cut to the money. You know, 1:38:24.400 --> 1:38:26.920 so when you're on scene, you're on screen. 1:38:26.720 --> 1:38:29.839 With a really name actor like I was with Richard 1:38:29.880 --> 1:38:33.559 Pryor or Harrison Ford, don't expect in the editing room 1:38:33.560 --> 1:38:37.040 all those wonderful shots of your reactions to go anywhere. 1:38:37.080 --> 1:38:43.320 You know. Yeah, that is so funny. Well, okay, so wildly. 1:38:44.240 --> 1:38:49.400 You're in both of our favorite movies, what from the eighties, 1:38:49.560 --> 1:38:52.240 both with Bette Midler, So Big Business is my number 1:38:52.280 --> 1:38:53.200 one favorite movie. 1:38:53.000 --> 1:38:56.480 Of all time. And then Kara and Mine is Beaches. 1:38:56.920 --> 1:39:00.000 She had Beaches the Party, and I had two Beaches 1:39:00.120 --> 1:39:02.240 seen birthday parties when I was in third and fourth grade. 1:39:02.280 --> 1:39:05.280 And I can't believe I'm speaking to Auto tits like himself. 1:39:05.320 --> 1:39:09.439 This is invenoring crowd had nothing to get very worked 1:39:09.479 --> 1:39:09.880 up about. 1:39:11.280 --> 1:39:13.519 Can we digress? Can I talk about those two movies? 1:39:14.560 --> 1:39:18.760 Great stories about yes, this is our dream that this was. 1:39:18.760 --> 1:39:23.840 So much fun. Oh, I got so many stories. I'll 1:39:23.840 --> 1:39:24.519 tell you one though. 1:39:24.760 --> 1:39:27.479 Like, for example, there was a wonderful producer named Mike 1:39:27.520 --> 1:39:29.360 Piser who used to do all the Woody Allen's and 1:39:29.360 --> 1:39:31.519 then he moved out to California, so he's doing this. 1:39:31.680 --> 1:39:35.040 I got that job because I got a call Noon 1:39:35.120 --> 1:39:38.920 says can you come right now to meet Jim Abrams. 1:39:38.920 --> 1:39:42.599 Somebody backed out of the apart and I went and 1:39:42.800 --> 1:39:44.720 I got the role. I was like, I guess I'm 1:39:44.720 --> 1:39:46.759 not moving out of New York. I was thinking about 1:39:46.840 --> 1:39:49.400 commuting or something. Anyway, I get the roll and get 1:39:49.400 --> 1:39:51.720 on there and and Jim is great. He was, you know, 1:39:51.840 --> 1:39:57.280 part of zazz Zucker Abram Zucker. You know they are airplane. 1:39:58.240 --> 1:40:01.400 Oh yeah, all the naked naked I saw you're in 1:40:01.479 --> 1:40:02.599 all the naked guns here. 1:40:02.760 --> 1:40:03.759 Yeah. I mean those. 1:40:03.520 --> 1:40:04.880 Guys were genius. 1:40:05.200 --> 1:40:06.720 They were a bunch of guys that came out of 1:40:06.720 --> 1:40:10.679 Milwaukee doing sketch comedy on stage. So so big business 1:40:10.760 --> 1:40:14.840 is like, and it's got this wonderful cast and and. 1:40:14.680 --> 1:40:18.000 Uh and you guys shot at the hotel, right, did 1:40:18.000 --> 1:40:18.880 you shoot at the Plaza? 1:40:19.400 --> 1:40:20.320 No, now, we. 1:40:20.320 --> 1:40:21.960 Shot the externals at the Plaza. 1:40:22.120 --> 1:40:22.200 Right. 1:40:22.280 --> 1:40:24.879 Everything was a set. Okay, we were on this big. 1:40:24.680 --> 1:40:27.080 Set on the Disney lot and it was very formidable looking. 1:40:27.080 --> 1:40:29.200 Oh my god, it looked like plaster and everything. 1:40:29.280 --> 1:40:29.559 You know. 1:40:30.160 --> 1:40:35.759 Mike Piser said to me, Disney unlike any other uh 1:40:35.800 --> 1:40:39.599 you know, uh company who worked for They have product 1:40:39.680 --> 1:40:43.280 placement like nobody's business. You know, they'll take a nickel 1:40:43.320 --> 1:40:46.479 from somebody, you know. But the funniest one was I 1:40:46.560 --> 1:40:49.120 have a moment if you remember where I go in 1:40:49.400 --> 1:40:55.040 Uh what's his name? Uh, Michel Placido, who's a big 1:40:55.040 --> 1:40:59.080 star in Italy. I didn't know that plays the Latino guy. 1:40:59.640 --> 1:41:03.519 He was into the gift shop to get something and 1:41:03.600 --> 1:41:06.479 for one of them, and I walk in next and 1:41:07.080 --> 1:41:10.000 I stop in front of the thing with prophylactics on it, 1:41:10.080 --> 1:41:13.880 you know, and it's got it's got like it's loaded 1:41:13.880 --> 1:41:16.800 with Trojans, you know what I mean. So it's kind 1:41:16.800 --> 1:41:18.680 of a great scene. It's mos me. It was no 1:41:18.760 --> 1:41:20.599 sounds that it was easy. It was fun I grabbed 1:41:20.600 --> 1:41:22.519 one and I had an idea and I said, Jim, 1:41:22.520 --> 1:41:23.280 I'll watch this. 1:41:23.680 --> 1:41:27.080 I took one, I went two, you know, like it's 1:41:27.080 --> 1:41:28.160 gonna be a big night, you know. 1:41:28.200 --> 1:41:28.559 What I mean? 1:41:29.200 --> 1:41:31.280 And I walk away and he said, oh, that's great, 1:41:31.400 --> 1:41:33.679 cot could we can move on? And suddenly the prop 1:41:33.760 --> 1:41:36.200 woman comes yelling, no stop, God, we have to do 1:41:36.240 --> 1:41:38.360 it again. You don't usually hear that. And he goes, 1:41:38.360 --> 1:41:41.800 what are you talking about? He goes Disney's dealers with 1:41:41.880 --> 1:41:43.760 lifestyles and we had Trojans on. 1:41:44.320 --> 1:41:47.240 God, Oh my god, this is Disney right. 1:41:47.560 --> 1:41:50.200 And I didn't know mice used prophylactics, but I found 1:41:50.200 --> 1:41:50.800 out that day. 1:41:51.640 --> 1:41:53.640 And then he got punched in the face. 1:41:54.080 --> 1:41:57.960 And Jim, I gotta say, because there's such great We 1:41:58.160 --> 1:42:00.280 both done sketch comedy on stage, so we had an 1:42:00.360 --> 1:42:04.040 impulse to do like that. And he said, uh, how 1:42:04.040 --> 1:42:05.880 are we gonna stage this? And I said I have 1:42:05.960 --> 1:42:08.280 an idea. I said, I have an idea. You can 1:42:08.320 --> 1:42:11.080 do it, no wonder He said, how is that? I says, 1:42:11.240 --> 1:42:12.000 let me go to the. 1:42:11.960 --> 1:42:12.559 Door and knock. 1:42:13.080 --> 1:42:16.080 It does cut to her answering, but basically the same shot. 1:42:16.320 --> 1:42:19.400 It's like it's it's it's my POV on her. She 1:42:19.560 --> 1:42:24.280 answers the door and I grab her sweater and say, 1:42:24.280 --> 1:42:27.160 I used to be allergic to angora, but no more, 1:42:27.400 --> 1:42:30.559 you know, And which time she wils me and I said, Jim, 1:42:31.720 --> 1:42:33.040 I said, I said, give me a mat. 1:42:33.479 --> 1:42:34.880 You give me a mat behind me. 1:42:35.320 --> 1:42:37.880 I flipped around and I went like that and I 1:42:37.920 --> 1:42:39.760 fell out a frame and it left her with a 1:42:39.800 --> 1:42:41.599 close up, you know, and she does that little thing 1:42:41.640 --> 1:42:42.920 with the with the thing. 1:42:43.360 --> 1:42:47.120 But yeah, the movie was, uh, it was. It was 1:42:47.200 --> 1:42:48.920 just great to work on it and never forget it. 1:42:48.960 --> 1:42:53.280 And then a year, a couple of years later, I 1:42:53.320 --> 1:42:56.120 get a phone I get a phone call from Bonnie Bruckheimer, 1:42:56.160 --> 1:42:59.720 who was best, good friend and producer, you know, and 1:42:59.760 --> 1:43:04.760 she says, Joe, we're doing this movie and there's a 1:43:04.920 --> 1:43:06.040 musical number in it. 1:43:06.640 --> 1:43:07.439 Can you dance? 1:43:09.280 --> 1:43:12.599 And I had been in some musicals, so I did dance, 1:43:12.800 --> 1:43:14.920 you know, as a comic dancer, I guess. 1:43:15.439 --> 1:43:18.760 So I said, yeah, she goes, you got anything that 1:43:18.880 --> 1:43:21.280 shows you dancing? So I did a video. 1:43:21.520 --> 1:43:23.240 I have a pair of I have one pair of 1:43:23.280 --> 1:43:25.920 black tights which I had from drama school days as 1:43:25.960 --> 1:43:28.120 a whole right in the back, a little hole. 1:43:28.640 --> 1:43:31.000 So and I wear tidy whities. So I did a 1:43:31.080 --> 1:43:31.680 dance with it. 1:43:31.760 --> 1:43:34.479 I did a little put a little like three minute 1:43:34.520 --> 1:43:37.479 thing to Swan Lake in my living room, and I 1:43:37.520 --> 1:43:39.920 turned around and showed this little thing and I ended 1:43:39.960 --> 1:43:42.360 it with it like a pseudo Barushnikov move. 1:43:42.800 --> 1:43:44.240 Apparently she liked it. 1:43:44.320 --> 1:43:45.960 Oh and then she says, is there anyone I can 1:43:46.040 --> 1:43:47.479 ask about your dancing? 1:43:47.520 --> 1:43:48.960 So I just got to be sure, because it's going 1:43:49.000 --> 1:43:51.160 to be a real dance number. I said. 1:43:51.160 --> 1:43:55.360 Called Graciela Daniella. She was the great, you know, choreographer 1:43:55.400 --> 1:43:58.679 on Broadway. We'd worked twice and I got the job 1:43:58.800 --> 1:44:05.000 and I saw Grassiew months later, I said, what did 1:44:05.040 --> 1:44:05.400 you say? 1:44:05.479 --> 1:44:07.880 Obviously it was, she goes. I told them the truth. 1:44:08.040 --> 1:44:10.360 She says, you know, if you want barish Niko, I 1:44:10.479 --> 1:44:12.760 forget about it. But if you want to laugh, get him, 1:44:13.080 --> 1:44:18.479 you know, you know. And I and and that was amazing. 1:44:18.560 --> 1:44:21.479 We went out every day to the Debbie Rentals studios 1:44:21.520 --> 1:44:25.479 in the valley and really rehearsed it like serious number stuff, 1:44:25.520 --> 1:44:28.599 you know, And uh, it was. 1:44:28.680 --> 1:44:30.479 It was. It was great. 1:44:30.520 --> 1:44:35.519 And Gary Marshall was wacky Gary, you know, he was 1:44:35.560 --> 1:44:37.400 fun to work with. I used to I did Flamingo 1:44:37.479 --> 1:44:41.960 Kid with him years earlier, and he would he was 1:44:42.000 --> 1:44:43.920 so laid back. You didn't know if he had a 1:44:43.960 --> 1:44:46.160 pulse sometime when he was directing, but he kind of 1:44:46.240 --> 1:44:47.040 knew it was funny. 1:44:47.640 --> 1:44:50.800 Bet was great, I mean she actually loved you. 1:44:50.760 --> 1:44:53.400 Know, when we were doing the Week of Choreography, she 1:44:53.560 --> 1:44:56.519 was almost happier, you know what I mean, because that's 1:44:56.680 --> 1:44:58.280 like that's like hermechier. 1:44:58.479 --> 1:45:01.480 You know, that's what she was doing for you years. Yeah, 1:45:01.920 --> 1:45:03.439 when she was doing her shows, you know. 1:45:03.880 --> 1:45:08.040 Yeah, And I just looked up Vannie Bruckheimer and she 1:45:08.120 --> 1:45:10.439 also did Hocus Pocus, I mean. 1:45:11.120 --> 1:45:12.880 Yeah, and her husband was Jerry Bruckhremer. 1:45:13.000 --> 1:45:16.360 Well, of course I saw that. I am dB, I assumed. 1:45:16.800 --> 1:45:18.280 So I want to just. 1:45:18.240 --> 1:45:26.519 Say, going back to us VU, yeah that doing that, 1:45:26.520 --> 1:45:32.760 that those quick snappy dialogue scenes, which the thing I 1:45:32.800 --> 1:45:34.880 loved about it was uh and you can see it. 1:45:34.920 --> 1:45:38.080 I felt like we were both on that day. We 1:45:38.200 --> 1:45:42.720 both had our intentions were very strong. And sometimes you know, 1:45:42.880 --> 1:45:46.240 actors on television they don't you know, we know as 1:45:46.240 --> 1:45:49.080 stage actors that you have to have really an intention. 1:45:49.240 --> 1:45:51.720 You want it's something you want, you know what I mean. 1:45:52.160 --> 1:45:54.840 And she's striving for it, and I'm striving for it 1:45:54.880 --> 1:45:59.200 and it just keeps creating. But with Stephanie March, I 1:45:59.280 --> 1:46:01.880 never expect did this, but we did it. We did 1:46:02.000 --> 1:46:04.880 exactly the same scene in a sense that it's the 1:46:04.920 --> 1:46:08.000 two of us facing as judge and arguing our point, 1:46:07.640 --> 1:46:10.280 but in chambers, so you know, we can say anything 1:46:10.320 --> 1:46:10.719 we want. 1:46:11.560 --> 1:46:12.559 She was great. 1:46:12.640 --> 1:46:15.479 We're both trying to like, you shut up so I 1:46:15.479 --> 1:46:17.120 can speak, you know, kind of like that, you know, 1:46:17.640 --> 1:46:20.280 Stephanie March was. I loved her. I thought she had 1:46:20.320 --> 1:46:25.000 something really because she could she could play severe, you 1:46:25.000 --> 1:46:28.040 know what I mean. And and but it was but 1:46:28.120 --> 1:46:31.040 it was interesting, you know, and she didn't back off 1:46:31.080 --> 1:46:32.720 from it. She didn't try to soften the edge. So 1:46:32.760 --> 1:46:34.800 maybe the TV audience will like me a bit, you know. 1:46:35.520 --> 1:46:37.520 No, she went after those criminals. 1:46:38.320 --> 1:46:38.720 She did. 1:46:38.760 --> 1:46:41.919 And if did you ever see did you ever see? 1:46:43.080 --> 1:46:46.040 I was in the pilot and it was one of 1:46:46.040 --> 1:46:48.200 the very few dick Wolf shows that probably never went 1:46:48.240 --> 1:46:51.559 past pilot, or maybe it did. It's called conviction. Did 1:46:51.600 --> 1:46:54.520 you ever see any of that? Oh you never did? 1:46:55.240 --> 1:46:57.320 I can send you, I can link you to the episode. 1:46:57.360 --> 1:46:59.000 I have a copy of the episode. 1:46:59.200 --> 1:47:01.960 Oh it's fun. There was supposed to be this grant. 1:47:02.000 --> 1:47:04.719 He was at his full powers and all the shows 1:47:04.720 --> 1:47:08.760 were running full blast at that time, and this new 1:47:08.760 --> 1:47:11.439 one looked really good. It was all about the young 1:47:11.520 --> 1:47:13.800 prosecutors in the New York Prosecutor's Office, you know what 1:47:13.840 --> 1:47:16.000 I mean. And they're all these young and he was smart. 1:47:16.080 --> 1:47:18.400 He said, let's get some young actors who are going 1:47:18.479 --> 1:47:20.439 to go places, because you know, we have shows with 1:47:20.520 --> 1:47:21.160 old actors. 1:47:21.200 --> 1:47:24.800 Now they're legacy people, you know. So this was really 1:47:24.800 --> 1:47:28.160 a great idea. And I remember, forget the first read through. 1:47:27.920 --> 1:47:30.679 But because they were young, Dick was there and he said, 1:47:30.680 --> 1:47:33.240 now I want you to know something. When it's on 1:47:33.280 --> 1:47:35.719 the page, I expected you to say it. He says, 1:47:35.880 --> 1:47:38.080 we don't really if it's going to be ed LIBBD 1:47:38.160 --> 1:47:40.479 or this. Nady says, well, you may just be looking 1:47:40.479 --> 1:47:42.920 for another job. He was like, you know, because he 1:47:43.000 --> 1:47:46.320 was tired of people coming in that. You know, we're 1:47:46.400 --> 1:47:51.000 doing the other thing. So in that show, Stephanie plays 1:47:51.200 --> 1:47:53.759 one of the lead prosecutors and she's nails. 1:47:53.960 --> 1:47:55.280 I mean, she is nails, you know. 1:47:56.040 --> 1:48:01.160 And how he plays cabot Off, Yeah, she plays the 1:48:01.160 --> 1:48:04.360 same care right right, oh right, yeah, you came back 1:48:04.439 --> 1:48:06.240 for the five hundredth episode. 1:48:06.520 --> 1:48:09.400 Was that fun? Oh yeah, that's right. 1:48:10.360 --> 1:48:12.160 I was a judge in that right by that time. 1:48:12.240 --> 1:48:13.520 Yea yeah yeah. 1:48:13.560 --> 1:48:15.880 By the way, I have to correct the record here. 1:48:16.000 --> 1:48:19.640 What for some stupid reason, every time they list me, 1:48:20.160 --> 1:48:24.720 like in their literally online stuff or in IMDb, they 1:48:24.760 --> 1:48:27.760 totally get the name wrong. Some pa wrote it and 1:48:27.800 --> 1:48:29.600 they never raced it from the system. They call me 1:48:29.680 --> 1:48:35.400 Hashy Horoiz. His name is Hashy. It's Herschel. Okay, there 1:48:35.400 --> 1:48:36.320 ain't no Hashy. 1:48:36.640 --> 1:48:38.880 I mean you've heard it here. Thanks for doing, you know, 1:48:38.880 --> 1:48:39.479 setting the record. 1:48:39.640 --> 1:48:43.280 So you're saying it spelled h e s Chang. 1:48:44.120 --> 1:48:45.280 Yeah, because it's Herschel. 1:48:45.840 --> 1:48:48.840 There will our listeners will get this fixed, don't you worry, 1:48:48.920 --> 1:48:52.479 because it literally this will be he says under trivia 1:48:52.520 --> 1:48:57.040 for your character in the wiki of SVU, Hashi's name 1:48:57.120 --> 1:49:01.720 is misspelled as Hashi on Netflix and Prime So now 1:49:01.840 --> 1:49:04.000 like some Prime video actually have it correct. 1:49:04.360 --> 1:49:06.679 They've got some intern over there that knows the lore 1:49:06.760 --> 1:49:07.719 and that your name is well. 1:49:09.439 --> 1:49:10.400 I told him, many tell you. 1:49:10.400 --> 1:49:12.519 I banged my head against the wall saying can you say, 1:49:12.560 --> 1:49:15.679 oh yeah, well we Can's easy, you know, once it's out. 1:49:15.479 --> 1:49:17.880 There and once it's on IMDb. You know that's it. 1:49:18.720 --> 1:49:21.000 Oh my god, I go there to see who I was. 1:49:21.920 --> 1:49:23.160 I literally don't know. 1:49:23.720 --> 1:49:26.200 I can't believe those that thing because I don't know, 1:49:26.439 --> 1:49:28.240 And then I go back. Sometimes I'll go back and 1:49:28.280 --> 1:49:31.519 actually see I swear it was. It was eighty three 1:49:31.640 --> 1:49:34.679 when I did that movie. Or No, No a Woman, 1:49:34.800 --> 1:49:38.120 It was eighty three when I bought that statue. 1:49:38.600 --> 1:49:40.559 I was what was I shooting in eighty three? 1:49:40.680 --> 1:49:40.880 Yeah? 1:49:41.880 --> 1:49:44.400 Oh yeah, you were in Spain, you know. Oh yeah, 1:49:44.400 --> 1:49:46.559 that's why I about the statue. You know, you could 1:49:46.840 --> 1:49:49.160 kind of grade your life when you get old that way. 1:49:49.240 --> 1:49:53.320 You know, you worked with Julie Taymoor. 1:49:54.439 --> 1:49:54.840 I did. 1:49:55.040 --> 1:49:57.040 Did you like it? 1:49:59.240 --> 1:50:01.960 I'll have to say, you know, just to be fair, 1:50:02.040 --> 1:50:02.960 give us the dirt. 1:50:03.160 --> 1:50:05.240 Joe tell us, who's horrible to work with? 1:50:05.360 --> 1:50:06.280 We love to hear it. 1:50:06.560 --> 1:50:06.800 Yeah. 1:50:06.840 --> 1:50:09.200 What other gossip do you have? You've been You've been 1:50:09.200 --> 1:50:12.320 out there for decades. Oh. 1:50:15.320 --> 1:50:19.280 I did a seen years ago in a movie called Oh. 1:50:19.320 --> 1:50:23.439 It was based on a book Poper Greenwich Village, and 1:50:23.479 --> 1:50:27.839 I had to do some scenes with Eric Roberts, and uh, 1:50:28.240 --> 1:50:29.200 I don't know Eric. 1:50:29.240 --> 1:50:31.559 Nobody's got anything good to say about Eric Roberts. 1:50:31.680 --> 1:50:34.799 Yeah, I think Eric that is contained in the word arrogant. 1:50:34.840 --> 1:50:38.519 But uh yeah, man, I mean he just. 1:50:40.240 --> 1:50:42.880 He It just bummed me because we were doing a 1:50:42.920 --> 1:50:46.200 scene and the director of photography wanted to run the 1:50:46.200 --> 1:50:49.160 camera mounted it on the back of the car. And 1:50:49.280 --> 1:50:51.599 John Bailey, who was a wonderful I think he might 1:50:51.640 --> 1:50:55.160 have been an OSCAR winner. He was on the car, 1:50:55.280 --> 1:50:57.920 a sweet guy, and Eric is driving the card. Oh, 1:50:58.000 --> 1:51:00.600 let's see what we can see what John? So he 1:51:00.640 --> 1:51:03.320 starts doing like speed turns to. 1:51:03.280 --> 1:51:06.479 Try to knock him off. You know, I'm going, uh 1:51:06.600 --> 1:51:07.960 that that kind of I was on. 1:51:07.920 --> 1:51:10.680 The verge of grabbing him, you know, and really, you know, 1:51:11.439 --> 1:51:13.000 but what are you gonna do? 1:51:13.040 --> 1:51:15.679 You know, and you were You've been in New York 1:51:15.720 --> 1:51:16.360 this whole time. 1:51:17.720 --> 1:51:18.160 Yeah, I know. 1:51:18.240 --> 1:51:20.920 I only would go to LA to relocate for a 1:51:21.640 --> 1:51:24.000 series or or a movie or something like that, you know, 1:51:24.600 --> 1:51:27.400 And I realized at some point I was like, oh, 1:51:27.439 --> 1:51:28.920 I got to stay here because this is what I'm 1:51:28.960 --> 1:51:29.639 gonna get more work. 1:51:29.640 --> 1:51:31.400 And I was going something about it. 1:51:31.439 --> 1:51:31.679 Though. 1:51:31.880 --> 1:51:33.000 I'm glad that that. 1:51:33.040 --> 1:51:37.200 Instinct because I never would have you know, I didn't 1:51:37.200 --> 1:51:39.200 want to fizzle out. It was it was weird and 1:51:39.320 --> 1:51:42.280 l and being out of work between jobs. Let's say 1:51:42.520 --> 1:51:48.280 ultra ultra employ you know, between jobs in LA is 1:51:48.320 --> 1:51:50.320 like a scourage. You're like, you're like you're wearing some 1:51:50.400 --> 1:51:52.120 kind of a badge on you. 1:51:52.200 --> 1:51:54.240 That's in New York. 1:51:54.240 --> 1:51:56.000 It's like, oh good, you got time to go have 1:51:56.080 --> 1:51:57.679 lunch and drink. You know what I mean. 1:51:57.760 --> 1:51:58.840 It's fun. 1:52:00.120 --> 1:52:02.960 Do you know that? 1:52:03.160 --> 1:52:06.439 But you're in the city, right, Yeah, yeah, I like it. 1:52:07.920 --> 1:52:10.200 I'm in LA but I've got like two kids and 1:52:10.800 --> 1:52:13.599 a different thing. I like it here, but I also 1:52:13.640 --> 1:52:16.200 love New York. Joe, this was a pleasure. They can 1:52:17.439 --> 1:52:20.000 to talk to us. It's always great when we see 1:52:20.000 --> 1:52:20.719 you on the screen. 1:52:21.160 --> 1:52:23.680 Yeah, okay, soon soon, that's all they'll be. 1:52:24.040 --> 1:52:26.760 And now we stop. Now we can spread the word. 1:52:27.320 --> 1:52:30.800 Hashy Horowitz. It's Hashi Horowitz. We're gonna spread the way. 1:52:31.280 --> 1:52:32.040 We're going to spread the. 1:52:32.080 --> 1:52:33.920 Would you please somebody get it right? 1:52:34.320 --> 1:52:42.320 Yes? It was a thrill, you know, I feel we're 1:52:42.680 --> 1:52:46.080 we're like a serial killer getting our little tokens. 1:52:46.160 --> 1:52:49.320 We're getting all our little souvenirs. We're getting our slides. 1:52:49.320 --> 1:52:51.160 We're putting our slides in our slide thing. 1:52:51.360 --> 1:52:54.439 Yeah, it feels incredible. I mean I can't believe we 1:52:54.560 --> 1:52:55.920 got to talk to him. 1:52:56.439 --> 1:52:58.320 I'm so glad we got to talk to Hashi Horowitz 1:52:58.360 --> 1:53:00.160 and then he cleared up. I mean this, if you're 1:53:00.160 --> 1:53:02.120 a Wikipedia editor, you need to go in and like 1:53:02.960 --> 1:53:05.040 edit the like his name is supposed to be Heshi. 1:53:05.120 --> 1:53:08.719 It's Herschel, not Hashi. So that was a mistake some 1:53:08.720 --> 1:53:13.040 somebody made along the lines, and it's stuck. But I 1:53:13.040 --> 1:53:15.280 I'm glad that we got him for this episode, and 1:53:15.320 --> 1:53:19.360 we are leaving the second arc of this open for you. Ludacris. 1:53:19.400 --> 1:53:25.559 I know you're listening. We we just want you. We 1:53:25.600 --> 1:53:29.080 want to talk about your acting. You're so good. But 1:53:29.200 --> 1:53:32.880 this episode, I mean, he's scary in this episode, but 1:53:33.120 --> 1:53:35.400 the next one is really where he's terrifying. 1:53:35.479 --> 1:53:38.439 Well because he's smart, calm, and I planned all of this. 1:53:38.720 --> 1:53:42.559 I don't know, smart character and yeah, i'd have sex 1:53:42.640 --> 1:53:46.599 with the ludicrous yeah, and the you know the guy 1:53:46.600 --> 1:53:49.559 in the real life story. He's in jail forever. 1:53:49.840 --> 1:53:52.320 I mean, I'm sure in Texas they really wanted his 1:53:52.360 --> 1:53:56.120 ass dead. But if you're seventeen, I don't know, I 1:53:56.160 --> 1:53:59.800 don't know. I'm not I'm against I'm against the death, 1:54:00.479 --> 1:54:03.720 but burying a baby alive. That's where you almost you know, 1:54:04.640 --> 1:54:06.920 you almost get me on the other side. But no, no, 1:54:07.120 --> 1:54:09.280 I think writing in jail is worse. That's why I 1:54:09.280 --> 1:54:12.200 think that I'm anti death penalty for a lot of reasons. 1:54:12.200 --> 1:54:14.720 But also spending your whole life thinking about what you 1:54:14.760 --> 1:54:17.160 did and not having your freedom is a worse punishment 1:54:17.200 --> 1:54:17.519 I think. 1:54:18.400 --> 1:54:24.360 But if you're a socio, yeah, you still want comfort, 1:54:24.439 --> 1:54:26.640 like you think about yourself. But I do wonder, like 1:54:27.120 --> 1:54:28.880 they're probably pissed they got caught. But I wonder if 1:54:28.920 --> 1:54:30.880 a socio, if they really feel nothing. They don't care 1:54:30.920 --> 1:54:31.920 if they're in jail. 1:54:32.680 --> 1:54:34.960 Right, but they probably do feel like that the food 1:54:35.040 --> 1:54:36.560 is disgusting and they have to shit in front of 1:54:36.600 --> 1:54:39.240 other people, and it's not a great life, right Like 1:54:39.360 --> 1:54:42.040 sure for me, like they're probably getting that that's a 1:54:42.080 --> 1:54:44.560 hot take. I don't know that they're like a learning 1:54:44.600 --> 1:54:51.320 a lesson, but they're definitely having a bad life. But uh, yeah, 1:54:51.400 --> 1:54:54.240 this episode, yeah, we just we got to get ludicrous 1:54:54.240 --> 1:54:56.040 on here and then we'll finish the well, we'll close 1:54:56.080 --> 1:54:59.320 the loop on this story. Also, I love the woman 1:54:59.320 --> 1:55:02.440 that plays I love the woman that plays Finn's wife. 1:55:02.520 --> 1:55:08.880 Is she Sa Hamilton? Lisa Gay Hamilton. Uh is she Broadway? 1:55:08.960 --> 1:55:11.120 How do we know her from outside of well the 1:55:11.160 --> 1:55:14.960 practic stage as well the practice, right, that's how we 1:55:15.040 --> 1:55:15.360 know her. 1:55:15.400 --> 1:55:19.560 And it's Cynthia Nick, Miranda's neighbor with the vibrating chair 1:55:19.600 --> 1:55:20.160 for the baby. 1:55:20.920 --> 1:55:25.160 Yes, I was just listening to an interview with David E. Kelly, 1:55:25.320 --> 1:55:28.280 who was the producer of the Practice. How many you 1:55:28.280 --> 1:55:31.240 know and married to Michelle Pfeiffer, because he's made this show, 1:55:31.280 --> 1:55:33.520 Margo's Got Money Troubles. Have you heard of it or 1:55:33.560 --> 1:55:36.560 any I've never heard of it. What is it called? 1:55:36.800 --> 1:55:39.040 It's based on a book actually that a lot of 1:55:39.040 --> 1:55:42.400 people were reading and said was really great about Margot 1:55:42.400 --> 1:55:44.840 Has Money Troubles. And I think it's about a girl's start, 1:55:44.960 --> 1:55:48.600 like a young mom starts a OnlyFans, Yeah, a single mom. 1:55:49.200 --> 1:55:52.640 So and it's to quota, it's it's El Fanning, right. 1:55:52.640 --> 1:55:54.880 Oh, Michelle Pfeiffer. It's all coming back. So I've seen 1:55:54.920 --> 1:55:55.440 some press. 1:55:55.480 --> 1:55:57.360 I've seen something and El Fanning you're I know you're 1:55:57.360 --> 1:55:59.600 a big fan of so I am. How do you 1:55:59.600 --> 1:55:59.840 know that? 1:56:00.080 --> 1:56:00.560 Yeah? 1:56:00.760 --> 1:56:02.520 I just I feel like I just know that. 1:56:04.000 --> 1:56:06.760 You love the Fanning sisters, but you like talk about 1:56:06.880 --> 1:56:10.440 ll a lot and then she's so pretty. He was 1:56:10.480 --> 1:56:15.440 talking on the interview about how he won for Best 1:56:15.600 --> 1:56:20.440 Comedy for Ally McBeal the same year as he won 1:56:20.480 --> 1:56:23.320 for Best Drama for The Practice, I think Emmy's and 1:56:23.360 --> 1:56:27.160 that's like, never happened that someone wins both of their shows. 1:56:27.280 --> 1:56:29.480 And they beat the Sopranos that year, which he said, 1:56:29.520 --> 1:56:31.240 we were all very surprised. No one thought we were 1:56:31.280 --> 1:56:32.280 going to beat the Sopranos. 1:56:32.320 --> 1:56:34.360 But wow, you know, wow. 1:56:34.440 --> 1:56:36.040 So she's a talented guy. 1:56:36.040 --> 1:56:38.920 I mean, he's been making a hit television for thirty years. 1:56:39.240 --> 1:56:41.920 He writes his first drafts in pen on a piece 1:56:41.960 --> 1:56:45.320 of paper. That's my kind of guy. Yeah, that's what 1:56:45.360 --> 1:56:48.640 I said. He's so against AI. Like the interviewer was 1:56:48.680 --> 1:56:50.200 asking him like, do you know how to email? Or 1:56:50.200 --> 1:56:52.120 does someone send your emails? Print your emails out for you? 1:56:52.160 --> 1:56:53.400 And he was like, no, I know how to email, 1:56:53.520 --> 1:56:56.400 Like but he does. He likes the old He's like, 1:56:56.440 --> 1:56:58.280 that's just what's worked for me forever. So that's what 1:56:58.360 --> 1:57:02.520 I do. The pen and paper it all. I personally 1:57:02.640 --> 1:57:04.840 don't think my hand would work writing for more than 1:57:04.920 --> 1:57:07.120 three minutes, Like I don't. My hand is not doesn't 1:57:07.120 --> 1:57:10.000 have the stamina. I put everything like I don't. I 1:57:10.000 --> 1:57:12.520 have friends that keep paper calendars and like, oh I 1:57:12.560 --> 1:57:15.160 prefer to handwrite. I'm like, I put everything in my phone, 1:57:15.240 --> 1:57:19.120 Like everything is digital. The vacuums are right outside the 1:57:19.160 --> 1:57:20.640 door right now. I don't know if you can hear them, 1:57:20.680 --> 1:57:24.000 but anyway, should we move on to what would Sister 1:57:24.040 --> 1:57:28.200 Peg do? Where was the Stavity Kelly interview? Oh, on 1:57:28.280 --> 1:57:32.640 the Town your favorite? I actually barely listened to it anymore. 1:57:33.320 --> 1:57:35.240 I saw it in my feed and because I barely 1:57:35.280 --> 1:57:39.280 have time and I listened, I popped it on. I 1:57:39.320 --> 1:57:40.480 was like, you know, I'd like to hear what he said. 1:57:40.520 --> 1:57:43.840 It was like basically, what does this legendary showrunner say 1:57:43.880 --> 1:57:48.240 about current TV? And like you know, and I didn't 1:57:48.280 --> 1:57:50.640 get to finish the interview, but I'm going to keep listening. 1:57:52.520 --> 1:57:52.800 Stuff. 1:57:53.320 --> 1:57:56.120 Yeah, the first half was the stuff about you know, 1:57:56.200 --> 1:58:00.640 the sopranos and him writing on the paper. But let's 1:58:00.640 --> 1:58:01.880 get into what would Sister Peg do? 1:58:02.120 --> 1:58:02.280 Now? 1:58:02.320 --> 1:58:06.120 Listen. I was like racking my brain, like what is 1:58:06.480 --> 1:58:11.000 a organization that ties into today's episode? And I like 1:58:11.120 --> 1:58:14.680 truly could not think of anything because it's just like 1:58:15.120 --> 1:58:17.800 a horrific murder and then like there, you know, there 1:58:17.880 --> 1:58:22.280 was this Supreme Court decision making, but there's not a documentary. 1:58:22.280 --> 1:58:25.160 There's nothing I could find. So I decided to sort 1:58:25.160 --> 1:58:27.440 of make it about me and make it about Los 1:58:27.480 --> 1:58:31.000 Angeles because Lisa lives in a city where they elected 1:58:31.080 --> 1:58:34.560 a cool progressive mayor and I am a cutie. 1:58:34.600 --> 1:58:39.920 It's like, it's honestly crazy. Everything he's done. I pray 1:58:39.960 --> 1:58:40.480 for him. 1:58:40.960 --> 1:58:44.160 It's almost like LA is trying to like take the 1:58:44.400 --> 1:58:47.200 la new York. Oh well, if New York's gonna do something, 1:58:47.320 --> 1:58:50.400 we're gonna do something even like way worse, Like I 1:58:50.400 --> 1:58:53.760 don't know. Like, so we are in the throes of 1:58:53.840 --> 1:58:58.640 a jungle primary for our mayor election and our governor's election, 1:58:58.760 --> 1:59:00.600 although I think we have way more of a hope 1:59:00.600 --> 1:59:03.520 of getting elsa Democrat into the race for that. But 1:59:03.600 --> 1:59:06.000 I worry that what is happening in Los Angeles is 1:59:06.000 --> 1:59:11.000 that Spencer Pratt, who is a reality star grifter from 1:59:11.040 --> 1:59:14.160 anyone that has watched The Hills is voting, is running 1:59:14.600 --> 1:59:19.160 allegedly independently but absolutely as a Republican in LA as mayor. 1:59:19.240 --> 1:59:21.440 A lot of you have been writing me saying, can 1:59:21.520 --> 1:59:23.920 you those of you that are Angelino's have been writing 1:59:23.920 --> 1:59:27.600 me saying, can I get your progressive voter guide? And 1:59:27.680 --> 1:59:31.720 basically I'm following most of what DSA Los Angeles has, 1:59:32.000 --> 1:59:33.600 so that is going to be what we're pointing to 1:59:33.640 --> 1:59:37.440 this week is the DSA Los Angeles Primary election voter Guide. 1:59:37.520 --> 1:59:39.160 We will link to it in the show notes. It 1:59:39.160 --> 1:59:43.080 will be in a story on the Instagram page the 1:59:43.160 --> 1:59:45.240 day that this episode comes out, which is thats messed 1:59:45.320 --> 1:59:48.600 up pod. But essentially, I know there are more progressive 1:59:48.680 --> 1:59:52.920 candidates than who I'm supporting. Nathia Raman. I think she's great. 1:59:52.960 --> 1:59:55.720 She's done a lot of work that's good for the city, 1:59:56.280 --> 1:59:59.680 and I think giving this reality grifter like a thirteen 2:00:00.120 --> 2:00:01.880 or like the mayor is symbolic. It's like, no, it's 2:00:01.880 --> 2:00:04.080 a thirteen like billion dollar budget that he has to 2:00:04.080 --> 2:00:07.040 control and he wants to like criminalize homelessness and all 2:00:07.080 --> 2:00:07.480 this stuff. 2:00:07.720 --> 2:00:10.320 So I'm dear with people, Oh, mayor, that's just a 2:00:10.360 --> 2:00:14.320 fake thing, when like our mayor has changed this city 2:00:14.400 --> 2:00:16.120 for the better for many citizens. 2:00:16.280 --> 2:00:18.720 Yes, and they like fund the they fund the police, 2:00:18.720 --> 2:00:22.520 they do all this stuff, and literally I love how 2:00:22.520 --> 2:00:25.440 people are all like he's going to get rid of homelessess, 2:00:25.440 --> 2:00:27.320 Like why do you think that there has been politician 2:00:27.400 --> 2:00:30.600 after politician and homelessness is not solved across the board. 2:00:30.600 --> 2:00:34.400 It is because it is a complex, deep issue that 2:00:34.440 --> 2:00:37.680 there are like that you have to do multi phase 2:00:38.920 --> 2:00:42.400 legislation about and government barely works in this country. So 2:00:42.560 --> 2:00:44.680 it's like nobody is going to come in and magically, 2:00:45.080 --> 2:00:47.280 you know, clean up your streets like that. And also, 2:00:47.360 --> 2:00:49.880 homeless people are people. We cannot just like ship them 2:00:49.920 --> 2:00:53.880 to wherever, to jails or wherever you think. So that 2:00:54.000 --> 2:00:56.640 is my that is my soapbox. I'm using this week's 2:00:56.640 --> 2:01:01.200 what would Sister Peg do to get to please not 2:01:01.280 --> 2:01:03.000 vote for Spencer Pratt? And I know you guys aren't 2:01:03.040 --> 2:01:05.120 going to, but I'm saying, even if you like a 2:01:05.160 --> 2:01:08.520 more progressive candidate, the only way to keep Spencer off 2:01:08.520 --> 2:01:10.600 the ballot is to vote for Nythia Rahman. Because of 2:01:10.640 --> 2:01:12.440 the way that this is a jungle pant primary, like 2:01:12.480 --> 2:01:14.560 the others just do not have the percentages, They're not 2:01:14.680 --> 2:01:16.880 going to do it. This episode comes out, there's i 2:01:17.120 --> 2:01:19.320 think eight more days or one more week until the election. 2:01:19.360 --> 2:01:21.880 When this episode comes out, there is not time to 2:01:21.960 --> 2:01:24.520 vote for this guy that hits checks all your boxes. 2:01:24.800 --> 2:01:26.440 Nithia is the one we gotta vote for if we 2:01:26.440 --> 2:01:27.520 want to keep Spencer. 2:01:27.160 --> 2:01:27.720 Off the ballot. 2:01:28.160 --> 2:01:31.360 Also for governor, you got to wait until last minute 2:01:31.360 --> 2:01:34.960 and vote for whoever has the highest amount of votes 2:01:35.200 --> 2:01:37.640 so that we can get either Besarah or Tom Steyer. 2:01:37.720 --> 2:01:40.120 I know he's a billionaire. Listen, Bernie endorsed him. We 2:01:40.160 --> 2:01:41.800 got to do what we gotta do. So that's my 2:01:41.840 --> 2:01:44.840 soapbox for LA politics. Come back next week for an 2:01:44.840 --> 2:01:51.080 actual charity organization or documentary, and yeah. 2:01:50.480 --> 2:01:53.760 We'll have some good news after the Jungle primary, I 2:01:54.000 --> 2:01:57.320 hope so. And next week we'll be doing Motherly Love 2:01:58.680 --> 2:02:02.560 Sounds Bleak, Season eighteen, episode ten, can't wait. 2:02:02.920 --> 2:02:03.840 You guys are the best. 2:02:03.960 --> 2:02:16.280 We're obsess See you soon bye. That's Messed Up as 2:02:16.320 --> 2:02:17.600 an exactly right production. 2:02:18.000 --> 2:02:20.080 If you have compliments you'd like to give us or 2:02:20.160 --> 2:02:22.400 episodes you'd like us to cover, shoot us an email 2:02:22.440 --> 2:02:25.760 at That's Messed uppod at gmail dot com. 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