Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: What's your name?
Speaker 1: Hey, I gave my name is Debts, Debts.
Speaker 2: You gave your name as Debts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to the to the phone program.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, what's up, Debts? Uh?
Speaker 1: Not too much. I'm packing up for a Lego convention
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: A what convention?
Speaker 1: A lego convention?
Speaker 2: What the fuck is? Where? Where? Where is this lego convention?
Speaker 1: It's in Virginia. It's in Chantilly, Virginia. It's called the
Speaker 1: Brick Fair Chantilly.
Speaker 2: Is it at the dol Is it at the Dola
Speaker 2: Dulles Convention Center?
Speaker 1: It sure is that the one.
Speaker 2: Fuck Yeah, I used to go there for a Smash
Speaker 2: Brothers convention. Okay, what happens at a Lego convention? What's
Speaker 2: going on over there?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Well, the the way that the ones work that I've
Speaker 1: been to is that it's it's a several day convention,
Speaker 1: and one or more days are the public day where
Speaker 1: just anyone can buy a ticket and come in and
Speaker 1: look at the stuff. But the rest of the time is,
Speaker 1: you know, the adult, mostly adult Lego fans come, They
Speaker 1: set up their creations, they look at it, they ask
Speaker 1: questions to each other about it, and then there's activities.
Speaker 1: There's speakers. The one I'm going to, there's one twenty
Speaker 1: one plus night where you're allowed to drink on the
Speaker 1: floor and people get real into that.
Speaker 2: Ooh, that sounds very salacious. Twenty one plus Lego night,
Speaker 2: we got more. Yeah, there's definitely gonna be more things
Speaker 2: fitting into each other than just Legos that night. I'm
Speaker 2: all right, well, come on, I've come on.
Speaker 4: I've been to.
Speaker 1: Ones where there's area.
Speaker 2: Sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I've been to ones where there's a blocked off area
Speaker 1: specifically for the creations that are are a little too
Speaker 1: racy for the public to see on the public the
Speaker 1: public days.
Speaker 2: Well, how could you Well, you know, the Lego figure
Speaker 2: hand was perfectly designed for jacking people off.
Speaker 1: I know, I've seen comics about that too.
Speaker 2: It's perfectly phallic. If I had a honestly, if I had,
Speaker 2: if I could take a shrink ray and make my
Speaker 2: penis like the size of a little Lego peg, I
Speaker 2: would definitely fuck like a little Lego hand.
Speaker 1: Man. When I was in I was in like middle school,
Speaker 1: when I first got like internet access, I started getting
Speaker 1: I was on a bionical forum. I mean, I still am.
Speaker 1: I'm meeting up with a bunch of the guys from
Speaker 1: that forum at this convention.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: But when I was in middle school and just starting
Speaker 1: to explore that and realizing that I could like send
Speaker 1: my creations out with people from that forum to be displayed.
Speaker 1: H and first of all my parents being like, you
Speaker 1: can't just you're just gonna send your lego to people
Speaker 1: who are just gonna take it. But then also exploring
Speaker 1: the adult lego community online and like when there's when
Speaker 1: there's one like racy lego comic or someone builds something
Speaker 1: fallacious out of Lego, like the fear of uh oh,
Speaker 1: my parents are going to see this on the Internet
Speaker 1: history and just shut it all down.
Speaker 2: What what Let me ask you this, what kind of
Speaker 2: like are do people want to fuck legos?
Speaker 1: Not not really no, but you know people do build
Speaker 1: sexy anime girls out of Lego.
Speaker 2: But how do you build a sexyan Like, oh, like
Speaker 2: you make a okay when you like they make a
Speaker 2: sexy anime girl figure out of Lego, but they don't
Speaker 2: make like It's that like rule thirty four with the
Speaker 2: Because I'm thinking about the Lego people, not the people
Speaker 2: that you make out of the break because I'm talking
Speaker 2: about like the Lego the Yellow Lego people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like people want it. Not my scene, but I
Speaker 1: mean the Lego Princess Leigh I'm sure was somebody's awakening.
Speaker 2: Because I guess you can like draw because most of
Speaker 2: that stuff is not that there's no form, it's all textures.
Speaker 2: So like if you want to draw, like if you
Speaker 2: want to give a Lego figure big breasts, it's just
Speaker 2: like two D drawn on top of a standard cyling
Speaker 2: troll cylinder ish Torso.
Speaker 1: Well, when was the last time you looked at like
Speaker 1: a licensed Lego minifigure of a woman from a TV
Speaker 1: TV show or whatever.
Speaker 2: I'll do it right now. Look at I'll look at
Speaker 2: Lego porn right now. I have a computer. Hold on, no,
Speaker 2: just like.
Speaker 1: The Lego figures that come out in Star Wars or whatever,
Speaker 1: because it's actually.
Speaker 5: On it.
Speaker 2: Uh oh look at this. Okay, I gotta go whoa wait,
Speaker 2: this is crazy? Oh oh wait, yo, look guess what?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, folks, I gotta shout out. I
Speaker 2: gotta shout out. I gotta shout out. Pornhub dot com
Speaker 2: slash h wood Rocket they made a they made this
Speaker 2: porn parody. It's called the lay Go Movie Porn parody.
Speaker 2: That's a little that's a reach. Don't you think they
Speaker 2: should call it the late like lay you know, like
Speaker 2: sex Lego the Lego movie and look at this there.
Speaker 2: So it's actually I like the way they did it.
Speaker 2: So the actor they start out, Okay, so you got
Speaker 2: this guy and he's starting out and it's this is
Speaker 2: a human being and he's wearing yellow face paint, and
Speaker 2: he's wearing a big boxy Lego head thing and he's
Speaker 2: dressed like what's his name?
Speaker 1: Wait, these are people in cobs play.
Speaker 2: Well, oh yeah, this would be a constant. But then okay,
Speaker 2: but then when they have sex, they're taking oh wait,
Speaker 2: look at this. Okay, all right, So if you go
Speaker 2: to porn Hub and you go to the lay Go
Speaker 2: movie at four fourteen, there's there's they have like a
Speaker 2: human being that's taking the Lego figures and mashing them
Speaker 2: together and making them fuck, and then this is actually creative.
Speaker 2: It's so they're making them fuck, and then cuts to okay,
Speaker 2: now the real people are having sex, and they're still
Speaker 2: they're not wearing the bodies anymore, but they're wearing the
Speaker 2: Lego heads and the Lego their whole bodies are painted yellow,
Speaker 2: and they're having sex with a condom and they're wearing
Speaker 2: these big yellow things on and they're fully painted. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're fully painted and yellow. Even the condom is yellow
Speaker 2: when painted. Or nipples. Yeah, I think this guy painted
Speaker 2: his dick yellow either is that the condom or is
Speaker 2: that the dick? You're not you're not also on here, right,
Speaker 2: You're just you're waiting for me to stop talking about this.
Speaker 1: That's correct.
Speaker 2: Okay, give me a little give me look may look
Speaker 2: at let them look at the end credits. Guess how
Speaker 2: many people it took to make this? One? Two three,
Speaker 2: four five written by what do you means who? Someone
Speaker 2: wrote this? This took at least ten people to make.
Speaker 6: This.
Speaker 2: Had a production manager, production manager George Glass, cinematographer Chad Lee,
Speaker 2: somebody this set took a lot of people to make this,
Speaker 2: had a sound mixer.
Speaker 1: How many of those names are the same?
Speaker 6: Repeated I? I.
Speaker 2: That's just a good question. Oh wait, where does he come?
Speaker 2: What the fuck? Why? What does hold on? Oh? Oh okay,
Speaker 2: that's actually that's kind of cute. Okay, so he comes? Okay,
Speaker 2: So it shows a close up of the guy's face
Speaker 2: and he's making like an ejaculation face, and then it
Speaker 2: shows him like and then it has like little you know,
Speaker 2: the little lega what you know what these are called
Speaker 2: the little they're like little caps, you know, like little
Speaker 2: Lego caps.
Speaker 1: Little caps. Are you talking about the ironically named uh studs?
Speaker 2: Like just yes, yes, yes, yeah, the ship that you
Speaker 2: would collect in like the Lego Star Wars games.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, So they have a close up of him and
Speaker 2: he's coming and then you you can't see his dick,
Speaker 2: but they have like a bunch of white studs that
Speaker 2: are like being shot up in the air as if
Speaker 2: he's like coming Lego. And then it cuts to the
Speaker 2: lady's back and it's just like from off camera, like
Speaker 2: they're throwing yet white studs on the lady's back and
Speaker 2: she just has like all this like all these like
Speaker 2: white studs laying on her that I guess are supposed
Speaker 2: to be like Lego. Come. Okay, let's see how many
Speaker 2: of these names are Okay, a few of these names are, yeah,
Speaker 2: but a lot of them aren't. Okay, Donnie Rock, that's
Speaker 2: a real person. No, I mean that's yeah, that hasn't
Speaker 2: been Lee Roy Myers. Did he did he direct it to.
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I think these are a lot of individuals that made this.
Speaker 2: I think this took at least ten individual people to make.
Speaker 2: Are you still there?
Speaker 1: I am still here. No, actually into it to have
Speaker 1: access to enough of the white studs to do that,
Speaker 1: not just as a gas.
Speaker 2: So what's your favorite set? Before we go? What's your
Speaker 2: favorite Lego set?
Speaker 1: Oh man? It's a bionical Terracava. It's one of the
Speaker 1: Beast sets from two thousand and one, and it comes
Speaker 1: with two wizards that they're back legs are treads and
Speaker 1: they can punch each other like rock and sock and
Speaker 1: robots and knock each other's masks off. I remade the
Speaker 1: set a while ago, and it's one of the things
Speaker 1: I'm bringing to this convention.
Speaker 2: Actually, that's awesome. That's sick. Yeah, it's like that seems
Speaker 2: like a good way to meet people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: What's your Do you have a dream set? I know that.
Speaker 2: I know they're expensive. I know that, like they kind
Speaker 2: of get up there. Do you have a dream one
Speaker 2: that you hope to get one day?
Speaker 1: Oh man? So it was just anything the Legend of Zelda.
Speaker 1: But they came out with the Lego Decu tree and
Speaker 1: you can either build it to be from Operno time
Speaker 1: or yeah, it's Operato time or Breath of the Wild.
Speaker 1: There there's like a bifurcation in the instructions. You go
Speaker 1: one way or the other, and it comes with the
Speaker 1: minifigures for Breath of the Wild Zelda Breath of the
Speaker 1: Wild link and Young and Adult link from Operative time.
Speaker 1: So that way, like, that's what I wanted, and.
Speaker 2: It was that's actually really sick. But that's really sick.
Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, Lego Dekou tree. Oh oh, this
Speaker 2: is like a license and shit, oh this is like, bro,
Speaker 2: this is three hundred dollars. That's crazy. I see why
Speaker 2: this is three hundred dollars. This is probably like one
Speaker 2: of their like big dick exclusive ones.
Speaker 1: Well, it actually feels pretty small for three hundred dollars,
Speaker 1: And part of that's because of the license bumping up
Speaker 1: the price, and then part of it is because so
Speaker 1: many of the parts only get used for one or
Speaker 1: the other decu trees, So you end up with this
Speaker 1: bag of leftover parts that you paid for but you
Speaker 1: can't display.
Speaker 2: There's so much Zelda porn. Wait, dude, hold on, the
Speaker 2: get the fucking the same people who made the lay
Speaker 2: go movie parody. Would Rocket also made a Legend of
Speaker 2: Zelda one. They call it the Legend of Zildo. I
Speaker 2: don't like their names. They're reaches because that's like, what,
Speaker 2: that's like a hold on? Why is it not? It's
Speaker 2: not coming up the legend of Zildo because that's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's a reach. I guess it's supposed
Speaker 2: to be is a dildo, But why should there be
Speaker 2: a dildo in there? Wouldn't they just be two people
Speaker 2: having sex? What's your name?
Speaker 1: Anything can be a Zelda game name. Just do the
Speaker 1: like of Zelda Colon and then put whatever you want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if yeah, if I were, if I were, if
Speaker 2: I were the CEO of woold, what's the name of
Speaker 2: this company? Wood Hunters or some ship? If I were
Speaker 2: the CEO wood Rocket, if I was the CEO of
Speaker 2: wood Rocket, I would just call it the legend of
Speaker 2: Zelda Colon sex. What's your name again?
Speaker 1: Debts?
Speaker 2: Debts. I hope you have a good time at this
Speaker 2: Tornent tournament. I hope you have a good time at
Speaker 2: this convention. It sounds like it's gonna be a fun time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I will. I think after doing it
Speaker 1: for a few years. The Uh, it takes less and
Speaker 1: less energy to have a good time and you can
Speaker 1: relax and you know, be around people doing you know,
Speaker 1: one of your favorite things.
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. That's his anything else
Speaker 2: you gonna say? The people of the computer before we go.
Speaker 1: Uh read Land of the Lustrous. The manga, uh, underrated manga.
Speaker 1: I mean watch the anime, but the manga gets way
Speaker 1: better after the anime drops.
Speaker 2: Rock and roll. Thank you very much, good luck at you.
Speaker 2: I have a fun time at your at your convention.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I will.
Speaker 2: By that's it did sound fun going to uh going
Speaker 2: to a Lego convention. Dude, you guys really honestly, you
Speaker 2: really I need you. Guys gotta go on porn Hub
Speaker 2: and look at the Lego movie because it's a bizarre thing.
Speaker 2: Here's what I want to say is it's like it's
Speaker 2: clearly supposed to be funny, but also like I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't because people must be jacking off to it.
Speaker 2: What's the point Because it's supposed to be like funny,
Speaker 2: but it's also supposed to be like horny, So who's
Speaker 2: the target demographic? Also, I think this video has a
Speaker 2: million views. Let me look it up. Let me look
Speaker 2: at it again. Yeah, this has one point one million views.
Speaker 2: A lot of people have watched this, and how many
Speaker 2: of them? How many of these views are views of
Speaker 2: people being like, oh this is funny lol, or like actually,
Speaker 2: or like jacking off to it? I LEO, convention does
Speaker 2: sound fun. Maybe I'll maybe I'll do something like that.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Hello, Hi, Hi, what's your name? My
Speaker 2: name's Barney, Barney.
Speaker 6: What up?
Speaker 2: Barney has life?
Speaker 4: It's going good man. I just got off work. I
Speaker 4: had a pretty nice day.
Speaker 2: Yeah you sound like you had a pretty nice day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going great.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: My son's at the doctor right now, is two year
Speaker 4: check up, so a little said that he's not home yet,
Speaker 4: but excited to see him later.
Speaker 2: You have a son, Yeah that's cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah you're parent. Two July seventeenth.
Speaker 2: How's having a son?
Speaker 4: It's pretty cool, man. I mean I think it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, it's like the ultimate experience as a human
Speaker 4: is just like being a parent, you know, experiencing them
Speaker 4: and like teaching them everything.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: You know, it's cool.
Speaker 2: I don't have I don't have kids, but I imagine
Speaker 2: that that's when you become an actual adult. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean I I'm only twenty, you know, so you're.
Speaker 2: Only twenty Yeah, Oh my goodness. Okay, I'm glad. Okay
Speaker 2: honestly because when you said you were having because when
Speaker 2: you said you had kids, I was like, this guy
Speaker 2: is probably like in his thirties, but I am imagining
Speaker 2: him wearing a Monster Energy shirt and a DC snap
Speaker 2: back and it doesn't really fit well with what my
Speaker 2: image was of you. But now I'm thinking you still
Speaker 2: could be wearing those clothes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm not wearing them right now, but
Speaker 4: I do. SKay, And so that's kind of the fast Okay,
Speaker 4: they're in the wardrobe. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: Damn man, what's up with the wife girlfriend, baby mama?
Speaker 2: What's what's going on?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: Well, I refer to her as my wife, but we're
Speaker 4: not married yet due to like you know, financial reasons
Speaker 4: and like legal reasons, so it's just not the right
Speaker 4: time for that yet.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: By I love that. By the way, why the fuck not?
Speaker 2: It's all of it. It's all made up. It's all
Speaker 2: completely made up. It Why you can start, You can
Speaker 2: start as long as she agrees, like any you can
Speaker 2: start calling a woman you're in a relationship with your wife.
Speaker 2: As long as she also agrees to be your wife,
Speaker 2: it can be that easy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really is. I mean there's no reason to
Speaker 4: go and spend a bunch of money. I mean there'll
Speaker 4: be a time where we'll be able to do that,
Speaker 4: but just not right now.
Speaker 2: Right, but for all intensive purposes, she might as well
Speaker 2: be your wife.
Speaker 6: I like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what what what did it mean? What
Speaker 2: did it mean for somebody to be your wife?
Speaker 6: In like the.
Speaker 2: When did monogamy really get going? Do we know the
Speaker 2: answer to that?
Speaker 3: Was it?
Speaker 6: Like in.
Speaker 4: I have no idea, but I would assume that it's
Speaker 4: like a pretty early thing, you know, because I feel
Speaker 4: like parenting the child and stuff like. Typically both parties
Speaker 4: would be involved for that, even back in like the
Speaker 4: Hunter Gathered Days.
Speaker 2: With the Hunter Gathered Days, monog I wish we had
Speaker 2: a Yeah, a lot of a lot of podcasts they have,
Speaker 2: like a guy at the computer, Well, I guess that's me.
Speaker 2: I'm at the computer. All right. Let me let me
Speaker 2: look at this all right? What we're hunter gatherer tribes
Speaker 2: monogamous or hunter gather Okay, Hunter gatherer societies generally practiced
Speaker 2: a form of monogamy, but with significant variations and accepts
Speaker 2: and exceptions. Okay, so they were swingers long well, well, no,
Speaker 2: it's it's just a joke.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: While long term pair bonds were common and socially recognized
Speaker 2: as marriages, polygamy particularly polygony okay, okay, poly okay. Polygamy
Speaker 2: is it's a free for all. Polygony is when just
Speaker 2: the guy gets to have multiple.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes sense. Back in the day, you know,
Speaker 4: the warlord or whatever.
Speaker 2: Okay, apparently, okay, monogamy was the primary form. There was
Speaker 2: a little bit of men having multiple wives. I'll get this.
Speaker 2: If you were a successful hunter, or you had higher
Speaker 2: social status, you had more wives. Yeah, okay, that's that.
Speaker 2: That tracks. Wait what is it? What does this say?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: Unlike some primates, hunter gatherers didn't have consistent sex specific
Speaker 2: dispersal patterns at maturity, meaning the sex that leaves the
Speaker 2: natal group varied across different societies. What the fuck does
Speaker 2: that mean?
Speaker 4: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I asked if you would have
Speaker 2: any idea if I would have? Yeah, Okay, well that's
Speaker 2: enough googling. Let's get off the computer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the computer's bed for your brain.
Speaker 2: How long have you been with your wife?
Speaker 4: We've been together for We were together for like about
Speaker 4: a year before my son was born, for like like
Speaker 4: three years.
Speaker 2: Was it an accident or was it planned?
Speaker 4: Well, so, the interesting thing is it was like kind
Speaker 4: of both. You could say you had.
Speaker 2: Unprotected sex and when if it happens, it happens.
Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty much, because at the time we were kind
Speaker 4: of you know, we were doing a lot of drugs
Speaker 4: and whatnot, and you know, we kind of thought that
Speaker 4: was a good idea. We were like, let's just have
Speaker 4: a kid. Fuck it, we'll be parents and probably make
Speaker 4: us stop doing drugs, which it did. It worked.
Speaker 2: Not my favorite sobriety plan, but if it works, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I probably wouldn't recommend it. It's not easy, but works
Speaker 4: for us.
Speaker 2: How long has it been. How long have you guys
Speaker 2: been sober?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: She pretty much. I mean yeah, it's kind of crazy
Speaker 4: because we both had been doing drugs since we're like,
Speaker 4: you know, middle school age and stuff, and then when
Speaker 4: she got pregnant, she just quit everything cold turkey pretty much,
Speaker 4: and it was pretty impressive. It took me a little
Speaker 4: longer to wean off but yeah, pretty much, ever since
Speaker 4: she was pregnant with them, we've been.
Speaker 2: Sober, pretty good, pretty good. Uh Man, you're twenty. What
Speaker 2: do you guys do for work?
Speaker 4: So I'm like a maintenance guys, So I like work
Speaker 4: in an apartment complex and I just go around and
Speaker 4: like flip apartments and fix people's ship. And then my
Speaker 4: wife she works at the daycare that our son goes to,
Speaker 4: so we get a nice discount there. She makes pretty
Speaker 4: good money teaching over there, the lead teacher.
Speaker 2: That's nice. Should we uh not not should do? Is
Speaker 2: our our parents helping out or are either of your
Speaker 2: parents helping out with stuff?
Speaker 4: Yeah? My mom will buy me groceries every once in
Speaker 4: a while, and then my dad will help out if
Speaker 4: we ever need help with bills, which right now we've
Speaker 4: been doing pretty good. But it's nice to have that support.
Speaker 4: And most of all, it's just like the babysitting support.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm really grateful for that because we still
Speaker 4: kind of get the chance to go hang out with
Speaker 4: our friends and stuff and we're not having to, like,
Speaker 4: you know, pay for a babysitter or anything.
Speaker 2: Man, do you have what what?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: How old is your wife? Same age twenty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's the same age. She's turning twenty one next month.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Well, you know, let me ask you this. Let
Speaker 2: me ask you this. Did you call in today to
Speaker 2: want to talk about something specific? Like is anything going
Speaker 2: on in your life? I guess that's new.
Speaker 4: I mean kind of because I know you've talked about
Speaker 4: it on here before. That you go to like a
Speaker 4: Smash Bros. Tournament.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I don't know why. Just that wasn't the
Speaker 2: That wasn't the direction I thought this was going.
Speaker 3: To go in.
Speaker 4: But go on, Yeah, but yeah, I don't play Smash Bros.
Speaker 4: But I play another fighting game. And I was really
Speaker 4: hyped till I go to this tournament this one time
Speaker 4: and I went There's like a monthly tournament in my town,
Speaker 4: and so I went there and played this. It's Dragonball Fighters,
Speaker 4: the pretty firefighting game. I'd recommend it. But I pulled
Speaker 4: up to do the tournament and it was pretty cool.
Speaker 4: But like, I don't know, I'm just a pretty like
Speaker 4: socially awkward guy and it was just weird. And I
Speaker 4: haven't gone back since, and it was like a few
Speaker 4: months ago.
Speaker 2: See the superpower of going to a video game tournament
Speaker 2: as a socially awkward, guy, is that like you've developed
Speaker 2: I assume like you went to high school and you
Speaker 2: have you have friends, and what you developed social awkwardness
Speaker 2: at like a regular like an normal baseline, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So when you go to like a
Speaker 2: video game tournament, you have to understand that your social awkwardness,
Speaker 2: like your level of social awkwardness is above the baseline
Speaker 2: level of social awkwardness at this event.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess that's a fair point.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. So, like I mean, you
Speaker 2: can go, you can go up to anyone and start
Speaker 2: talking to them at this tournament, and if if they're
Speaker 2: being weird, that's on them, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Your when you when you go to what I believe this,
Speaker 2: By the way, I fully believe this, And this is
Speaker 2: I'm not just trying to be whatever about like video
Speaker 2: game tournaments. I love going to video game tournaments, and
Speaker 2: there's actually are there are a lot of really cool
Speaker 2: people that uh hang out in the Smash Bros. Scene
Speaker 2: that I've met. Any social event Smash Bros Tournament, a party, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, a bar, some some settings, not all of
Speaker 2: our settings, but some bar settings, you know, But specifically
Speaker 2: at clubs or whatever. In any of it, you know,
Speaker 2: if you go out of your way to make conversation
Speaker 2: with someone, you are abiding in good faith to the
Speaker 2: social contract. Okay, you're not breaking any for saying interacting
Speaker 2: with a person in and of itself is lawfully abiding
Speaker 2: by social contract. Okay, it because it's only if only if, like,
Speaker 2: you're talking to someone there and they're making it pretty
Speaker 2: abundantly clear that they don't want to talk to you,
Speaker 2: then you start to break the social contract if you
Speaker 2: continue to talk to them. But a lot of people
Speaker 2: do that because they they aren't aware of the cues
Speaker 2: that somebody doesn't want to keep talking to them. But
Speaker 2: you know, generally, I think if you're lawfully abid it,
Speaker 2: you're just you're not being a dick. You know, if
Speaker 2: somebody is being cold to you at a fucking thing
Speaker 2: where people go, sure to play video games, sure to knit,
Speaker 2: sure to whatever the fucking thing underneath everything is. But really,
Speaker 2: people go places to meet other people. I think, I assume,
Speaker 2: so you're playing the rules of the game here, So
Speaker 2: if someone gives you the cold shoulder, that's on them. Fuck.
Speaker 2: I want to say, damn it, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I told this. I don't know if I talked about
Speaker 2: this on the podcast before. Maybe I did. Stop me,
Speaker 2: do you listen to this podcast or did.
Speaker 4: You find all the time at work? I'll let you
Speaker 4: know if I've heard.
Speaker 6: Okay, let me know.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me know if I've talk because I feel
Speaker 2: like I've repeated myself a lot on here anyway, but
Speaker 2: I'm okay, do you okay? Do you remember I did
Speaker 2: an episode in the park where, uh, this woman invited
Speaker 2: me to like a party afterwards afterwards? Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 2: I went. I went to this party. Shout out, shout out,
Speaker 2: shout out, Rachel. Rachel's cool. But she invited me to this.
Speaker 3: Thing.
Speaker 2: And she invited me this thing at this guy's house,
Speaker 2: and I show up and she's not. At first, she's
Speaker 2: not there, which is funny. She's not there. And then
Speaker 2: but there was like, I'm just like in some guy's
Speaker 2: house and there's four people sitting at a table and
Speaker 2: I'm just in this guy's house and nobody knows who
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 2: I start talking to one of the guys and I'm like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: what's your name? And I don't remember his actual name,
Speaker 2: but he goes like on Brian, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: uh what uh, how's how's your how's your day going?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: How's life? And he's like us, you know, it's all right.
Speaker 2: And then I'm and then I'm like, oh what do
Speaker 2: you what do you do around the city? And he goes, oh,
Speaker 2: I I'm a hairstylist. And I'm like okay, and now okay,
Speaker 2: and so and and and then in that moment, right, okay,
Speaker 2: and that that's a key That's a crucial moment for
Speaker 2: me in that evening because in that moment, I am
Speaker 2: in a stranger's house that that I was invited to
Speaker 2: by a different stranger. I really shouldn't be there, and
Speaker 2: that and and and that interaction with that hairstylist guy
Speaker 2: is a clear for like, I didn't want to talk
Speaker 2: to me. And that's but if and here's the thing,
Speaker 2: if I had interpreted him not wanting to talk to
Speaker 2: me as I should not talk to anyone. I'm I'm
Speaker 2: a freak. Why would anyone want to talk to me?
Speaker 2: Of course, this guy I doesn't want to talk to me.
Speaker 2: You know, why would anyone want to talk to me?
Speaker 2: I suck? I'm a freak, I'm weird. Nobody this is
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be here, you know. I would have gone
Speaker 2: home and that would have been the end of my evening.
Speaker 2: But I stuck around for a little bit, and then
Speaker 2: more people started coming to the event. Okay, and then
Speaker 2: I went up to this one lady at the event
Speaker 2: and I was like, Hey, what's up. How's your Shabbat going?
Speaker 2: And she was like, oh, it's going good. How about you?
Speaker 2: What's how's how are you doing? And I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: here we go see, you know, and then we had
Speaker 2: a conversation. I started talking to other people. It was good,
Speaker 2: it was fun. I had a fun evening. I met
Speaker 2: people as a fun party. It was a great time.
Speaker 2: But if but if in that one moment where it
Speaker 2: was a little bit weird and I there was the
Speaker 2: one person I mustered up the courage to talk to,
Speaker 2: I was rebuffed by if in that one moment I
Speaker 2: had been like, designed that I am a weirdo and
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be here, I would have never tried again.
Speaker 2: And then met somebody who is who and then met
Speaker 2: another person who is like, oh yes, I also came
Speaker 2: to this social event to socialize, you know, they're out there.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, so everything most of you have to
Speaker 2: just remember and understand that so many of the interaction
Speaker 2: this is the part I think I've talked about on
Speaker 2: the fucking show a bunch of all the time. But like,
Speaker 2: so many of the interactions that you have have nothing
Speaker 2: to do with you at all. Yeah, so yeah, next
Speaker 2: time I've talked about I feel like I've talked about this.
Speaker 2: We talked to the anime guy. I think that was
Speaker 2: mainly when I talked to Yeah, I don't you remember
Speaker 2: that guy you wanted to go to an anime convention?
Speaker 2: But he was yeah, And it's like, yeah, I said,
Speaker 2: I fucking said that to that guy, Like, yeah, you
Speaker 2: know you're gonna go to this anime invention. If the
Speaker 2: first person you talked to is kind of cold to you,
Speaker 2: you can't let that stop you from, you know, putting
Speaker 2: yourself out there because uh, you know, you might who
Speaker 2: knows when. And also I try, I know by the
Speaker 2: way I'm I'm I'm gonna throw myself out here in
Speaker 2: a way that I try not to, you know, within
Speaker 2: the best of my abilities. Sometimes maybe I'm like, uh,
Speaker 2: my brain has many you know I have I'm crazy
Speaker 2: and my brain has short circuits a lot. But I try.
Speaker 2: I try, really, I do try. Like I try to
Speaker 2: be mindful. Like if I'm in a social situation, if
Speaker 2: I'm at a party or an event or a tournament
Speaker 2: or a meeting or something, and I see somebody and
Speaker 2: somebody start talking to me, and I'm like, Oh, I'm
Speaker 2: the guy that they this. I'm like the first person
Speaker 2: that this guy has mosted up the courage to talk
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 6: This thing.
Speaker 2: I'll try. It's really important to me that I I
Speaker 2: want to reward or that, you know, because if I
Speaker 2: see it from that end, I think that's an important
Speaker 2: thing to do too, is to be mindful. If you're
Speaker 2: at a thing, if somebody's coming to you with the
Speaker 2: energy of like, hey, what's that man, what's your name,
Speaker 2: to be like, Hey, I'm Loyle, what's your name? How
Speaker 2: are you doing? What's up? You know, try to make
Speaker 2: people feel welcome. You know, if I'm if I'm in
Speaker 2: a if I'm talking to a circle, if I'm talking
Speaker 2: to like a circle of people, I'll try to look
Speaker 2: at everyone in the circle, you know, make eye contact
Speaker 2: with it, because you know, we've all been there, we've
Speaker 2: all been in a circle of people and everyone's talking,
Speaker 2: and you'd notice that nobody's who's talking is looking at you,
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, I'm not I don't even am I.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I'm a part of this
Speaker 2: circle right now, you know, So try to do that.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think I had some experience recently that
Speaker 2: was reflective of this, but oh yeah, well no, this
Speaker 2: wasn't recent. This is an old story.
Speaker 3: I was. I was.
Speaker 2: I was in uh I. I was in uh Rome.
Speaker 2: I got to study abroad there, which was nice, and
Speaker 2: uh I was didd I was with like some one
Speaker 2: of some of the other kids from the program, and
Speaker 2: we were like eating. We were like standing outside of
Speaker 2: a pizza place, just like at like a standing table,
Speaker 2: and this random Polish girl who was probably around our age,
Speaker 2: we were a little older, just walks up to the
Speaker 2: table with her pizza and she goes, I'm here alone
Speaker 2: and I don't have anyone else to eat with, so
Speaker 2: I'm gonna eat with you guys. And I was like,
Speaker 2: I remember, I remember being like, whoa, that's fucking wild,
Speaker 2: that's wild. I respected that so much. I was really like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, what a what a fucking swing. I
Speaker 2: gotta uh, I wanted I gotta reward that swing. I
Speaker 2: think the other one of the whoever, the other kid
Speaker 2: I was with, was more like, oh, that's a little
Speaker 2: fucking weird. But I was like, no, that's a that's
Speaker 2: a this person's gonna be fine for the rest of
Speaker 2: their lives. You know, this person's gonna have a great
Speaker 2: rest of their life. That's such a fearless thing to do.
Speaker 2: We had a nice conversation, and you know, we I
Speaker 2: ate with them, and that was good. I was that
Speaker 2: I only met that woman once, but she continues to
Speaker 2: inspire me for the rest of my life. That was
Speaker 2: when I was like twenty I'm twenty seven. I still
Speaker 2: remember that I had. That's something similar happened.
Speaker 6: I was the.
Speaker 2: I was like eating alone. What this is when I
Speaker 2: was like doing comedy in Philadelphia. I was eating alone
Speaker 2: at this like burrito place, and there were no seats
Speaker 2: left except the one across from me and this guy
Speaker 2: he's older than me, and he was like, there's nowhere
Speaker 2: else to sit, so I'm gonna sit with you, and
Speaker 2: then uh, he just we just start talking and again
Speaker 2: he that harkened me back to the girl in Rome.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is a confident move and he
Speaker 2: he was like, what are you doing. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I was doing comedy and he was like, tell me
Speaker 2: a joke. And I was like, no, that's not really
Speaker 2: how it works, you know. And then it was like
Speaker 2: but he was just so confident. I felt like a jerk,
Speaker 2: because if you tell a comedian to tell to tell
Speaker 2: you a joke, you're kind of being a jerk. But
Speaker 2: I was the jerk for not so I just tell
Speaker 2: him joke. And I told him a joke and he
Speaker 2: was like, that's not very funny, and it made me, like,
Speaker 2: it made me laugh a lot. I was like, who
Speaker 2: is this guy? I want to be? I want I
Speaker 2: want to sprinkle of what this guy has. This is
Speaker 2: really good. Yeah, but yeah, throughout I just throughout my life,
Speaker 2: I've learned a little tricks too. Occasionally, like I'll be
Speaker 2: at a little some social function or some thing, and
Speaker 2: if I'm in the right headspace, I will like go
Speaker 2: up to a group and be like, again, if I'm
Speaker 2: in the like, if I'm if I'm like depressed and
Speaker 2: anxious and weird, I wouldn't I won't ever do this.
Speaker 2: But if I'm like if I got a little bit,
Speaker 2: if I get a little bit of caffeine and it's
Speaker 2: just been a good day and I'm i self esteem
Speaker 2: is coursing through my veins. You can I'll just go
Speaker 2: up to a group and I'll be like, hey, can
Speaker 2: I join this conversation? You know, it depends on what
Speaker 2: it is. Like, if it's like a bar, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I won't do that because that's you know what it
Speaker 2: could be a group that came out in and of
Speaker 2: themselves to have a good time with each other. I
Speaker 2: don't want to disrupt the sanctity of that. But if
Speaker 2: it's but if I go to something, but if I
Speaker 2: go to like a I don't know, I go to
Speaker 2: all these weird things around New York, Yeah, where it's
Speaker 2: like come meet now. Well, like if it's if it's
Speaker 2: a thing where like the point of the thing is
Speaker 2: to meet new people, then it's very easy for me
Speaker 2: to go up and be like, hey, you guys all
Speaker 2: doing But yeah, that's why it's it's best to go
Speaker 2: to places like that where the point of the context
Speaker 2: is important, right. I would never go up like because
Speaker 2: you know, the bar is different from the place where
Speaker 2: if I'm at an event where the point of the
Speaker 2: event is to talk to people, then I'm you know,
Speaker 2: I have the benefit of the doubt when I attempt
Speaker 2: to have a conversation with someone. So anyway, that was
Speaker 2: a long rant.
Speaker 6: But.
Speaker 2: I believe at your dragon ball Z I believe at
Speaker 2: your dragon ball Z tournaments you have the benefit of
Speaker 2: the doubt when having a conversation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the odds are probably stacked in my favorite.
Speaker 2: Odds just ACKed in your favor. Yeah, just keep going
Speaker 2: to places where odds are stacked in your favor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good idea, Thank you, GAK.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's weird. Some places are someplaces odds are clear,
Speaker 2: Like like like if I see sometimes I'll be at
Speaker 2: like the the park and I'll see someone I want
Speaker 2: to talk to, and I like have a fantasy in
Speaker 2: my head. I'm like, what if I went over and
Speaker 2: talked to that person? And then I'll be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but the context of the that's too iffy of a context,
Speaker 2: you know, because who knows this, Yeah, they might just
Speaker 2: want to be alone. But if it's like at some
Speaker 2: fucking a bar, is a bar is a weird in
Speaker 2: between context because one can reasonably expect that one goes
Speaker 2: out to bars to meet people. One could also reasonably
Speaker 2: expect one goes out to bars to just be hanging
Speaker 2: out with their friends. That's a little like that. Context
Speaker 2: takes a little bit more courage. But if it's a
Speaker 2: thing where everyone has a fucking name tag on, that's easy.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: What's your name again? I wish I could put name
Speaker 2: tags on the callers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that'd be pretty sweet, if there's a way to
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 2: Of my name is Barney, Barney, Barney, you have you
Speaker 2: have a two year old son? That's insane.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Good luck with that. I mean that sincerely. I don't
Speaker 2: mean that in a uh you know away.
Speaker 4: Yeah, someone, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Someone called into shout out, Shout out Stavros Halkius. I'm
Speaker 2: a big fan of his podcast. I listened. I listened
Speaker 2: to it to sleep and uh. He had a caller
Speaker 2: on once who talked about like having a kid when
Speaker 2: he was eighteen, and he brought up he was like, yo,
Speaker 2: when you're thirty six, because like if I like, if
Speaker 2: I have a kid when I'm like I'm twenty seven,
Speaker 2: if I have a kid when I'm thirty six, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna just be getting started with all of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, but by the time you're thirty six, you'll be
Speaker 2: I mean, you're never done, but you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: you're you'll be done ish.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's pretty that's pretty cool. That's pretty good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is pretty cool that it works out like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were, there were there. I think there are
Speaker 2: a lot of advantages to you know, they're they're not
Speaker 2: talked about as much as the disadvantages and the hardships
Speaker 2: of it, But there are advantages I think to being
Speaker 2: a younger parent in that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I see all the bright side of it,
Speaker 4: you know, I like to look at it with the
Speaker 4: positive perspective.
Speaker 2: Well, but do you say your name is Brian.
Speaker 4: It's Barney, Barney like the Dinosaur.
Speaker 2: Thanks for letting me talk to myself and you for yeah,
Speaker 2: I minutes, Sparney. I appreciate it. I did have one
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, go ahead, please.
Speaker 4: One more thing? On the recent podcast, man, why were
Speaker 4: you so weird about the hand guy? I thought it
Speaker 4: was cool.
Speaker 2: It was a little hold on, it was a little bizarre.
Speaker 4: It is bizarre, but I thought it was cool.
Speaker 2: Were you the one that do you make a comment
Speaker 2: on Spotify or something.
Speaker 4: Perhaps I did make a comment that yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 2: Was okay because I did. If that wasn't you, I
Speaker 2: was gonna be like, why are multiple people saying this?
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I'm probably just the one weird guy
Speaker 4: that thought the hand thing was cool.
Speaker 2: I thought, I really want to know. I wanted to
Speaker 2: talk to the hand guy, but he didn't want to
Speaker 2: like sit down and fully talk.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's just trying to get his hand picks and get.
Speaker 2: Out of there, and he can have if he wants to.
Speaker 2: Honest honestly, listen, if that guy wants to take a
Speaker 2: picture of my hand and jerk off to it, it
Speaker 2: really hurts me in zero wait shape or for him.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's jerking off. Man, I did not
Speaker 4: get them.
Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll never We'll never know. I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe i'll see him at the park again. Who knows.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's the hand park guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe maybe he prowls there for hand picks often.
Speaker 2: Barney, good luck and I will see you around the universe.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 4: I will see you around the universe while have a
Speaker 4: good day.
Speaker 2: Man you too. Bye Barney.
Speaker 3: Bye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, talking to people's the whole thing. It's
Speaker 2: something I'd like to be good at. It's way easier
Speaker 2: to do it on a podcast. I think, I'm I
Speaker 2: think I'm pretty good at it, not on a podcast,
Speaker 2: but it's way easier to do on a podcast. And
Speaker 2: it's all it's it's not about confidence. It's about context,
Speaker 2: or I guess it is about confidence, And the amount
Speaker 2: of confidence I have is based on the context, right,
Speaker 2: you know, like if I'm in the gecko suit and
Speaker 2: I'm chatting with somebody, I have more confidence in that
Speaker 2: context because I'm you know, there's a reason for me
Speaker 2: to be talking to this person. If I just go
Speaker 2: up to somebody randomly at the park, if I were
Speaker 2: just starting to ran, If I just went up to
Speaker 2: somebody randomly at the park and just started being like, Hey,
Speaker 2: can you tell me about your life, that'd be a
Speaker 2: weird that would feel uncomfortable. But I but if I'm ware,
Speaker 2: But if I set up a bunch of cameras and
Speaker 2: I if I set up a camera and I wear
Speaker 2: a gecko suit and a person comes over to me
Speaker 2: and we engage in this thing to make this podcast,
Speaker 2: then the context is completely different, even if the actual
Speaker 2: conversation is the same. Boogers, Hello, Lyle, Hi, what's your name, sir?
Speaker 6: My name is CJ.
Speaker 2: CJ. What's going on?
Speaker 6: Man? Man, so much is going on. I'm glad you answered.
Speaker 6: I feel like I'm just stuck at this point in
Speaker 6: my life and I don't know I could I could
Speaker 6: use some advice on maybe what to do or to
Speaker 6: know maybe I'm going in the right direction or I
Speaker 6: don't know, man, I just feel really stuck in the
Speaker 6: sense of hopelessness.
Speaker 2: I can ponder this with you. I can ponder this
Speaker 2: with you. What do you feel stuck about?
Speaker 6: My job? So right now, I do like hard labor,
Speaker 6: and you I make decent money. It's nothing incredible. It's
Speaker 6: not like I rolling in the dough or anything. You know,
Speaker 6: I have three kids and a wife, and you know,
Speaker 6: we have all all of the the bills that go
Speaker 6: with that, and right man, I just I wake up
Speaker 6: and I just hate like just waking up and knowing
Speaker 6: I'm going to go spend all day in the heat.
Speaker 6: It's just absolutely miserable. And it just sucks because you know,
Speaker 6: they've promised me so much there and because I can
Speaker 6: do other stuff you know, like I've built them a
Speaker 6: website and you know, all the stuff, and you know,
Speaker 6: they promised me, oh, you know, we could do like
Speaker 6: a hybrid schedule with you where you can work in
Speaker 6: the office and you can you know, do your regular job,
Speaker 6: and all the promises have just gone to shit. So
Speaker 6: now I'm just stuck doing my regular job and I'm
Speaker 6: going to school. But like, I want to start my
Speaker 6: own business because I'm I'm so sick of feeling like this.
Speaker 6: I'm so miserable. And my wife works opposite shift, so
Speaker 6: like today, you know, I worked all day just to
Speaker 6: come home and see her for thirty minutes and she's
Speaker 6: been gone for an hour now, and I don't know
Speaker 6: that that is how I feel stuck. I just feel
Speaker 6: like we're in this cycle just repeating itself over and
Speaker 6: over and over, and it's like, hmmm, we can't ever
Speaker 6: get ahead financially, you know. I'm you know, we could
Speaker 6: pay our bills on time and stuff, but it's not
Speaker 6: like we have a bunch of money left over.
Speaker 2: Howl. How old are kids?
Speaker 5: Four?
Speaker 6: Two and five months?
Speaker 2: Shit?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: How old are you?
Speaker 6: I turned twenty nine in June.
Speaker 2: Man, Well, here's I'll look I'm gonna tell you something
Speaker 2: real quick. What's your name again, CJ?
Speaker 6: C J.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you something real quick off the bat.
Speaker 2: Your life situation is very different from mine because you
Speaker 2: have three kids. So I'm not qualified to give you
Speaker 2: advice in any way, shape or form. But we can talk.
Speaker 2: I'm curious, I have questions, I have maybe thoughts, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not qualified to advise about this in any way,
Speaker 2: shape or form.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: You said that your promises were not fulfilled like this company? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: talking with you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, like over the winter, it gets a
Speaker 6: little slower because like I work outside, but we do
Speaker 6: like snowplowing stuff.
Speaker 2: But you know, they're like, and you're going to and
Speaker 2: you're going to school, all right, So I'm gonna just
Speaker 2: I'll just cut to the chase on that one, and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, look, this company is telling you things
Speaker 2: and they're not keeping their promises, and there ain't a
Speaker 2: lot you can do about that, right, So what what
Speaker 2: what are you going to school for?
Speaker 6: I'm going to school for marketing.
Speaker 2: You're going to school for marketing. You said you're going
Speaker 2: to school and you want to start a business.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I want to start a marketing company. I have
Speaker 6: a lot of experience. Me and my wife lived in
Speaker 6: the Denver area, and I started and founded our own
Speaker 6: little cleaning company, and you know, I did all the marketing,
Speaker 6: and you know, I grew it within a year where
Speaker 6: we had two employees. You know, I was doing all
Speaker 6: the payroll, just you know, every single thing within a business.
Speaker 4: I was doing.
Speaker 2: What happened to the company, And.
Speaker 6: Well, we moved and it was during COVID, so it
Speaker 6: kind of we moved and the business was kind of
Speaker 6: slowing down because of COVID, and so I just I
Speaker 6: just shut it down and we moved back to where
Speaker 6: where we were from.
Speaker 2: So where where are you from? Where are you from from?
Speaker 6: Utah?
Speaker 2: Okay? Which place is cheaper to live in?
Speaker 6: I would say Utah. In Denver, we were paying the
Speaker 6: same price what we're paying right now, which is like
Speaker 6: twenty two hundred in Denver, though it was a one bed,
Speaker 6: one bath, like eight hundred square feet, and here in Utah,
Speaker 6: twenty two hundred is getting us a three bed, two
Speaker 6: bath and it's about sixteen hundred square feet.
Speaker 2: So I really Utah, I really feel like I'm on
Speaker 2: the Dave Ramsey Show right now. I don't know how
Speaker 2: my show ended up accidentally becoming like Dave Ramsey Show,
Speaker 2: except instead of an old Christian man, it's just a
Speaker 2: just some dumb guy. It doesn't know what he's talking about.
Speaker 6: But I.
Speaker 2: Okay, man, So I got well, I'm curious about this.
Speaker 2: Why are you, like, are you going into debt to
Speaker 2: go to school?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I am hold on?
Speaker 2: Why the all right? All right? Why the fuck are
Speaker 2: you doing that?
Speaker 6: Because I feel, like I said, I feel stuck. So
Speaker 6: like I've been doing you know, hard labor and construction
Speaker 6: like all my life, you know, right right.
Speaker 2: Sorry started to interrupt you, but I get the notion
Speaker 2: of you're doing because you feel stuck. You're trying to
Speaker 2: extend outside of your routine into something greater. I think
Speaker 2: that's awesome. I think that's great, right, But to me
Speaker 2: to go get a degree in marketing to like what
Speaker 2: to like, are you getting a degree in marketing to
Speaker 2: start your own business or to like get a job or.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean I just kind of both, Like I
Speaker 6: would want a degree to start a business so someone
Speaker 6: knows that I'm credible, you know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But yeah, but dude, okay, actually I do feel I
Speaker 2: do feel fairly confident in this advice is like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you know you're in a rut and you're extending outside
Speaker 2: of your rut to try to do something, which, by
Speaker 2: the way, man, what's your name again, I'm sorry I
Speaker 2: bod with names.
Speaker 6: No, you're fine. CJ.
Speaker 2: CJ. By the way, CJ. Just so you know, I really,
Speaker 2: truly I commend you for doing that because you have
Speaker 2: a tough life, having three fucking kids, barely seeing your wife,
Speaker 2: always working, and still finding time to change because a
Speaker 2: lot of times like there's only enough time and energy
Speaker 2: for maintenance, and then to act some kind of change
Speaker 2: is like you have to dig fucking beyond yourself and
Speaker 2: it's really really hard. So I commend you for even
Speaker 2: trying to do that.
Speaker 4: I really do.
Speaker 6: I appreciate it. And that's why I'm trying to start
Speaker 6: a business or something.
Speaker 2: Because but here's the and so here's the thing and
Speaker 2: the reason, and I'm getting a little fired up about
Speaker 2: this is because if I don't get why you're it
Speaker 2: with all the effort that you're exerting to do something
Speaker 2: outside of yourself, I don't understand why you would do
Speaker 2: something that ends with you being in more debt. I I,
Speaker 2: it's twenty twenty five, my friend. It's twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: my friend, it's twenty twenty five, my friend. You don't
Speaker 2: need a marketing degree to show that your business is credible, you.
Speaker 6: Know, right I.
Speaker 2: And also you've already you've already started a business.
Speaker 1: Yeah I did previously.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know, man, I just feel like that
Speaker 6: piece of paper, which maybe I just eat up all
Speaker 6: the propaganda that we've gotten since we were young, that
Speaker 6: piece of paper will maybe just help me, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean? Because right now, it's just what's going
Speaker 6: on isn't working. And you know, I've applied for marketing
Speaker 6: jobs and I've had like multiple interviews, and uh, it
Speaker 6: just never pans out.
Speaker 2: And we're we're at a weird place. I think I'm
Speaker 2: totally talking completely out of my ass with nothing to
Speaker 2: cite anything at all, because you know whatever, I'm a
Speaker 2: dumb podcaster. But uh, it's it's it's well, it just
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, is that it seems as though
Speaker 2: we're getting not a weird inflection point where like economically,
Speaker 2: people without degrees and people with degrees are having similar struggles.
Speaker 6: Right, And I see that and it kind of it
Speaker 6: kind of frightens me, like of course with everything AI,
Speaker 6: It's like, why would someone hire me for marketing when
Speaker 6: they can just fucking type into chat GBT and we'll
Speaker 6: do the same fucking thing.
Speaker 2: Well sure, but I here's here's what I would say.
Speaker 2: My your dream is you want to you want to
Speaker 2: be a white collar guy. You want to be on
Speaker 2: the computer at home with your kids. You want to
Speaker 2: be doing that. I would love that. Son, how many
Speaker 2: hours a week them? How many hours a week are
Speaker 2: you in school?
Speaker 6: So it's all online, so I do it full time,
Speaker 6: so you know, like so like right now it is
Speaker 6: like a perfect example. So I got home, my wife
Speaker 6: went to work, my kids go to bed because they're young,
Speaker 6: around like seven thirty, and then after that I will
Speaker 6: kind of sit at my desk for two three hours
Speaker 6: and do it to do school and then or like
Speaker 6: right now, like I said, I'm trying to start the business,
Speaker 6: so like I can build a website.
Speaker 2: So what are you going to do a little? What
Speaker 2: do you do in school? Like what do you actually do?
Speaker 6: Just learn about mark marketing? Like the last one was
Speaker 6: about professional communication. I had to write like two papers
Speaker 6: and do a presentation on PowerPoint and this one is
Speaker 6: all about power Uh PowerPoint Excel. No, not PowerPoint. What
Speaker 6: the hell am I saying? Microsoft Excel. Yeah, so like
Speaker 6: this one is kind of more like, uh, I guess
Speaker 6: like this term is more techie. It's all like stuff
Speaker 6: on the computer. But like last time it was like
Speaker 6: fund Like last term was like fundamental of marketings and
Speaker 6: marketing management and all this bullshit.
Speaker 2: So how much how much money do you are? You
Speaker 2: do you spend to do that?
Speaker 6: So it's a little bit cheaper than like I would
Speaker 6: think you would assume. So per term, there's two terms,
Speaker 6: so like it's just like six months. I don't know
Speaker 6: what a regular college is. I've never been to a
Speaker 6: regular college anyways. So every year, let's see, so I
Speaker 6: think every six months, it's about thirty seven fifty So
Speaker 6: three thousand, seven hundred and fifty dollars every six months, Okay,
Speaker 6: And yeah, it's not horrible and it's go it's go
Speaker 6: at your own pace. So like if I really wanted
Speaker 6: to and I didn't have like all these outside variables,
Speaker 6: Like I know this guy who went to the same college,
Speaker 6: he wasn't doing the same degree, but he got it done.
Speaker 6: In six months, So like he got his whole degree
Speaker 6: in six months.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so you go, how and how's he doing?
Speaker 2: Does he have a job? Is did his degree help him?
Speaker 2: Because I'm actually okay, but it's actually now that you
Speaker 2: say that, it was only like, you know, three seventy
Speaker 2: something for six months. That's not that's not horrible.
Speaker 5: What what?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, your boy, I mean your boy. He got the degree,
Speaker 2: Like what was he doing?
Speaker 6: Now? Yeah, he's doing he has a corporate corporate life.
Speaker 6: Now he's I think last time I talked to him
Speaker 6: because I.
Speaker 2: Was gonna say, you gotta ask him for job, dude.
Speaker 6: Well see, and that's the thing. It's like, you know,
Speaker 6: I ask around and like that's kind of what happened.
Speaker 6: Like I asked him, and he got me in touch
Speaker 6: with the CEO, and then the CEO got me in
Speaker 6: touch of like with the marketing director, and then I
Speaker 6: went and had an interview and then just nothing. It's
Speaker 6: just like, oh man, like all that effort, you know,
Speaker 6: redoing my resume, Yeah, just absolutely just for nothing.
Speaker 5: And it's so like disheartening, Like okay, and you're at
Speaker 5: the same time as you're doing school, you're also working
Speaker 5: on a business like you're you're also working on a business,
Speaker 5: like for marketing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I haven't started anything yet. It's been something
Speaker 6: that's been in the works. Like I said, I'm building
Speaker 6: my own website, so I'm not hiring someone to do that.
Speaker 6: And then you know, I'm coming up with a business plan,
Speaker 6: which I have, and then I have like pricing models
Speaker 6: and pressing structures for different things, cause I already specialize
Speaker 6: in digital ads. So like when I ran my queening company,
Speaker 6: I got all of my business through Google, So I
Speaker 6: did like my own Google Ads, and I optimized, like
Speaker 6: you know, my website that I made it once again,
Speaker 6: you know, like on page off page SEO, like all
Speaker 6: this structured data, the metadata, all that bullshit, like I'm
Speaker 6: really proficient in. So I'm doing that right now. And
Speaker 6: then so I'm guessing in one to two months, I'm
Speaker 6: going to try to get the business license and then utah,
Speaker 6: it's like sixty five bucks and then I'm just gonna man,
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna fucking wing it, you know, because I
Speaker 6: feel like in ten years, if I don't do it
Speaker 6: right now, I'm gonna regret, Like what if what if?
Speaker 6: Like what if I could have built something for my family.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna ask, is do you are?
Speaker 2: Is your is your dream life? Like you build something
Speaker 2: for your family or your dream life is you clock
Speaker 2: in and then at five pm you put turn the
Speaker 2: fucking computer off.
Speaker 6: No, Like, I know, working for myself is probably gonna
Speaker 6: be way harder in a sense, not physically is going
Speaker 6: to be way harder than what I'm doing now, but
Speaker 6: because like, like when I worked for myself, I worked
Speaker 6: seven days a week for like a year until like
Speaker 6: I got those two employees and then I kind of
Speaker 6: could take some time off. It wasn't a lot, but
Speaker 6: that was the most money I've ever made. So like,
Speaker 6: you know, my my goal in life isn't to be
Speaker 6: a billionaire or a hundred millionaire. Like my definition of
Speaker 6: rich is someone who can pay their bills and not
Speaker 6: worry about like their financial area, Like oh yeah I
Speaker 6: could pay rent, I could pay this, I could pay this,
Speaker 6: Like all my bills are paid, and maybe let's plan
Speaker 6: a vacation. You know, in my definition, that's rich. And
Speaker 6: right now, okay, like like we're just not there and.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but we're getting were getting ahead of ourselves
Speaker 2: here is like we're just trying to figure out. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm just thinking about like those those hours
Speaker 2: that you're extending beyond yourself.
Speaker 6: Dude, it's exhausting.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, well I'm sure. I'm sure. I'm sure it's exhausting.
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm thinking about what the best thing
Speaker 2: for you to be doing with that time is. And
Speaker 2: it's probably Oh, I don't know, man, I I'm I
Speaker 2: don't know, is is I and I don't I don't
Speaker 2: know the industry, but I have to gander that like that,
Speaker 2: I don't know how worth while it is for you
Speaker 2: to be, like, like, how worthwhile is it for you
Speaker 2: to be like writing fucking papers? You know? Like no,
Speaker 2: I get it, Like like because you because you're because
Speaker 2: you're a tinker, You're you're a tinkerer.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: There there, you're you're. I mean that, that's I think
Speaker 2: that's what everyone wants they want to I mean not everyone,
Speaker 2: but you know, tinkerers. I remember I had a large
Speaker 2: period of time in my life where I was a
Speaker 2: tinkerer and I was like, how the fuck do I
Speaker 2: make money that I don't have a real job, And
Speaker 2: I was fucking think about all kinds of ship like
Speaker 2: whatever Facebook, ad marketing or drop shipping or all that
Speaker 2: kind of a ship. And I don't know. I I think, well,
Speaker 2: I can't, I can't. I'll say that. I'll say this,
Speaker 2: and you you ultimately get to decide what is right
Speaker 2: for you. But I would sit with yourself for a
Speaker 2: little bit and go, Okay, of all the options of
Speaker 2: all the things that I could maybe this is redundant,
Speaker 2: but whatever, of all the options of all the things
Speaker 2: that I could do, which one by the end of
Speaker 2: me doing the work, will I have really built something?
Speaker 2: Is it you working on the business for longer or
Speaker 2: is it you writing the essays. I kind of think
Speaker 2: it's you working on the business more than it is
Speaker 2: you are writing the essays, right, I don't know because
Speaker 2: I haven't spoke. I I mean, go and talk to
Speaker 2: go find five people who graduated from your program and
Speaker 2: say hey, did you get a job because of this thing?
Speaker 2: And if they're all like, yes, you should do it.
Speaker 2: But I don't know what that guy in the lizard
Speaker 2: suit on the podcast is talking about. But you should
Speaker 2: do it, then great, go with them. But I don't.
Speaker 2: I think you should ask yourself some more questions before
Speaker 2: you blindly say oh, well, this is how it's always worked.
Speaker 2: You get a degree and then you get a job,
Speaker 2: because we all fucking know that that's not that's not
Speaker 2: the world we live in in twenty twenty five. But
Speaker 2: I don't. But I don't think that. I don't think
Speaker 2: you're fucked, and I don't I don't think you're fucked,
Speaker 2: and b I think that there does exist opportunity for
Speaker 2: you somehow, some way to make money in an air
Speaker 2: conditioned room, right, and yeah, just and I again, I
Speaker 2: really commend you because what you're doing is so extremely hard.
Speaker 2: I think as long as you don't give up, maybe
Speaker 2: give up for a little bit. If you find yourself
Speaker 2: being like I can't tip into deserves this week, I
Speaker 2: can only do maintenance this week, that's okay.
Speaker 6: I find myself doing that more often than not.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and that's okay, because you got your are
Speaker 2: you're you can't over exert yourself or else you'll fucking die.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm just so burnt out.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, And I'm sure. Yeah, I mean, listen, you
Speaker 2: could also take a couple of weeks and be like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just fucking go at maintenance mode. It's a
Speaker 2: bare minimum I need to do to keep my children
Speaker 2: and me and my wife alive.
Speaker 6: And do that.
Speaker 2: If you need a break, if you need a break,
Speaker 2: and you do that for a couple of weeks, and
Speaker 2: then it'll be like, Okay, let's reassess, and now what
Speaker 2: do we do? But ask I don't. I wouldn't. Your
Speaker 2: time is super valuable you specifically because you have all
Speaker 2: this stuff on your plate. So just just really poking
Speaker 2: prod and pick at the thing you're doing with your
Speaker 2: with your energy reserves and make sure that it's got
Speaker 2: some legs to it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, That's that's what I'm trying to do. That's like
Speaker 6: literally just a couple of days ago, like I was
Speaker 6: just like, Okay, I'm really going to do this business
Speaker 6: because like I, like I said, I've been thinking about
Speaker 6: it for a while, but lately I have just got
Speaker 6: to the point where I'm so goddamn sick of doing
Speaker 6: my job, and like it's like every day I'm just miserable.
Speaker 6: You know, from like the minute I get there, I'm
Speaker 6: just sweating until the minute I get off and it
Speaker 6: you know, like today was like ninety eight degrees and
Speaker 6: I'm just like just pouring sweaty, and I do agree
Speaker 6: with you, like I think the business would do. Focusing
Speaker 6: on like building the business would probably be worthwhile, a
Speaker 6: little more worthwhile than just doing school. But at the
Speaker 6: same time, I've been in it for a year and
Speaker 6: another another thing that's been on my mind is if.
Speaker 2: I stop the sun cost fallacy.
Speaker 6: Well, just the thing if I if I drop out
Speaker 6: right now, hold on, hold on, You're fine, hold on, I'm.
Speaker 2: Talking about c J. I'm gonna I'm gonna let this
Speaker 2: be the last thing you say so that you can
Speaker 2: go hang out with your kid because I feel bad.
Speaker 2: I feel bad that you're neglecting your children to t
Speaker 2: have this phone call with.
Speaker 6: No, You're fine, they're just chilling. We're watching Monsters, inc.
Speaker 2: But okay, cool.
Speaker 6: What I was gonna say is another thing that's been
Speaker 6: on my mind is because I have been thinking about
Speaker 6: stopping doing school. But if I drop out, then I
Speaker 6: have to start paying the student debt, right.
Speaker 2: Dude, CJ. CJ, I don't know if you heard what
Speaker 2: you just said, But being like being like if I
Speaker 2: but yeah, but yeah, I mean I don't know, CJ. Like, Hm,
Speaker 2: I could go deeper into debt. But if I quit,
Speaker 2: I have to pay the Like what do you like
Speaker 2: that doesn't make any sense, man.
Speaker 6: No, No, it's just like right now, I'm looking out
Speaker 6: for us right now, because like I understand what you're
Speaker 6: saying one million percent, but like right now we're scraping by,
Speaker 6: Like you know, we could pay everything and we could
Speaker 6: get groceries, but we're left with so little at the
Speaker 6: very end of the month that if we had a
Speaker 6: bill on top of that, it's just like, could we
Speaker 6: really do it? You know what I mean? Like, like,
Speaker 6: I get what you're saying. If I say that for another.
Speaker 2: Year, sure, but yeah, but I'm but like, yeah, but
Speaker 2: I'm I'm like, if I'm living in the like in
Speaker 2: the reality that you're putting forth for me right now,
Speaker 2: you have to you have to do that no matter what.
Speaker 2: And so and also if you keep going and you
Speaker 2: don't take the time to reassess, that bill gets bigger.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: So I'm not I can't. I'm not gonna tell you
Speaker 2: what to do, but I just think that you should,
Speaker 2: you know, assess it and understand that, like a degree
Speaker 2: is not automatically gonna get you out of the rut.
Speaker 2: And maybe it will, I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 2: the program. I don't know these people, but you should
Speaker 2: have you at minimum, at minimum, at minimum, you should
Speaker 2: find like five other people who graduated from this program
Speaker 2: or faculty or whatever, and like really do some deep
Speaker 2: diving and and not like just take it at face value.
Speaker 2: And that's what That's what I would do before you
Speaker 2: drop out, is go find people who graduated and if
Speaker 2: they I don't know if you've done this already, but
Speaker 2: I would go talk to some people who were in
Speaker 2: your shoes and were in the degree, and if they
Speaker 2: and how they're because if you talk to those people
Speaker 2: and they're like, yeah, I got that degree and now
Speaker 2: I'm in more debt and I'm fucked because the job
Speaker 2: market's fucked, then you can cut your losses and and
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, you have to pay the debt, but
Speaker 2: you have to pay the debt no matter what, because
Speaker 2: yet you enrolled. So if if now's the time to
Speaker 2: be like, all right, let's let's find out if now's
Speaker 2: the good time to cut our losses, and if it is,
Speaker 2: then great, and then you can and then you can
Speaker 2: be like, okay, great, we got out early, and yeah
Speaker 2: this is gonna suck for like a little bit. But
Speaker 2: now I can spend my extra reserve time working on
Speaker 2: this thing that is really gonna, you know, hopefully eventually
Speaker 2: grow to be my ticket to you know, not having
Speaker 2: to be fucking underwater. For now, I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna, I'm gonna let you go. CJ. Is there
Speaker 2: is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 2: people of the computer before.
Speaker 6: We go, you know, just uh be nice and live
Speaker 6: your life to the fullest and be grateful for what
Speaker 6: you have. And also to you, Lyle. I liked that
Speaker 6: video that you put out about you going to Tijuana. Man,
Speaker 6: I thought I thought that was a cool video. I
Speaker 6: watched it on YouTube and me and my wife actually
Speaker 6: watched it, and she she every time we watch you
Speaker 6: and like, you're out of your suit, She's like, he
Speaker 6: looks so weird not being green. I just I think
Speaker 6: it's funny.
Speaker 2: But get used to be a lot more. I thank you.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that that. It's actually that's really nice here
Speaker 2: hearing from another human being that I've been working like
Speaker 2: crazy NonStop on making that video, so I appreciate hearing
Speaker 2: another real human being that enjoyed it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I look forward to what you're gonna put out.
Speaker 6: Like I've been listening to you for a long time,
Speaker 6: and I watch your YouTube, Like I'll listen to your
Speaker 6: in real your like real life where you're in like
Speaker 6: the park or whatever, and then I'll also watch the
Speaker 6: video because I'm curious to see what these people look
Speaker 6: like like, you know. So yeah, man, I just appreciate you.
Speaker 6: I listened to you at work all the time, and like,
Speaker 6: even when I'm having this shitty day, I know it's
Speaker 6: like I know, I just put I just put you
Speaker 6: in my ear and I'm just like I just like
Speaker 6: kind of zone out and I don't know you You're
Speaker 6: doing God's work.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 6: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, and I commend you for working
Speaker 2: really hard to you know, uh, maintain the sanctity of
Speaker 2: your children's life and your life and I and I
Speaker 2: I hope that you figure it out and I hope
Speaker 2: you make you know, whatever decisions right for you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I appreciate it. Maybe one of these days, when I,
Speaker 6: you know, do get a business and I have some money, maybe, uh,
Speaker 6: I'll go to New York and catch you. And what
Speaker 6: is it called Washington Square Park?
Speaker 2: Is that where you go yeah, yeah, yeah, come hang.
Speaker 2: If that does happen, I'll be like I would like that.
Speaker 2: I'll be like that's crazy. If that does happen, I
Speaker 2: will be like, damn, that's crazy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, me too, honestly. But all right, man, we'll have
Speaker 6: a good day and uh yeah, as you say, I'll
Speaker 6: see you around the universe.
Speaker 2: Take care, CJ.
Speaker 6: You too.
Speaker 2: I do say that a lot. I say i'll see
Speaker 2: you around the you. I say that in my real
Speaker 2: I don't. That's not even like a show caller sign off.
Speaker 2: I just say that now. Anytime I say that, after
Speaker 2: like a date, i'd like, see you around the universe.
Speaker 6: They're like what.
Speaker 2: I say, see you around the universe? And I say,
Speaker 2: what's up, gangsters? That's what I that's how I enter.
Speaker 2: I enter with what's up gangsters? I exit with see
Speaker 2: you around the universe. I don't I now, I just
Speaker 2: I just do it to I don't know. I think
Speaker 2: if you're if I think if you intentionally say something weird,
Speaker 2: it makes it makes things feel less awkward, right, because
Speaker 2: if I if I intentionally say something that sounds normal,
Speaker 2: I just know it'll come out weird. So I'll just
Speaker 2: start with something weird. I like that guy, Ceja. He's
Speaker 2: really exerting himself. It's hard. Don't have a fourth kid,
Speaker 2: if you That's my main advice to you, CJ, is
Speaker 2: to not have a fourth kid if you can. If
Speaker 2: you can hear me still, thanks for calling, CJ. Hi. Hello,
Speaker 2: what's your name?
Speaker 4: Hi?
Speaker 3: Jenna?
Speaker 2: Jenna?
Speaker 6: What's up?
Speaker 2: Jenna? How's life?
Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm talking to you right now? Life
Speaker 3: is good? How's life for you?
Speaker 2: In this very moment? Life is good? In this very moment,
Speaker 2: life is good. I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying doing this today.
Speaker 2: I feel I feel in a nice flow state. I mean,
Speaker 2: life in generals is kind of crazy, but I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's ever supposed to not be. I don't
Speaker 2: know if the time time never stands still and you
Speaker 2: can probably waste a lot of it waiting for it too.
Speaker 3: Hi, I totally I totally agree.
Speaker 2: What's up, Jenna? Would you want to talk about today?
Speaker 2: If anything? We can also just talk about nothing. Well.
Speaker 3: I've been thinking about if I ever got on the
Speaker 3: phone with you, I would tell you about the time
Speaker 3: that I saw you at Electric Forest. So I didn't
Speaker 3: actually get the chance to see your set. Because of
Speaker 3: the group of people I was with, we were just
Speaker 3: on a whole other journey in that moment. But I
Speaker 3: had made you a bracelet, like before I even left
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania to go to Michigan for Electric Forest. I was like,
Speaker 3: if I see Lyle, I want to be able to
Speaker 3: give him this bracelet. And I was walking through the
Speaker 3: forest and I could see you didn't have your gecko
Speaker 3: costume on, but I could see the paint on your
Speaker 3: hands and legs. And I was with my friends and
Speaker 3: I could see that you had like an artist's bracelet
Speaker 3: on too, and I was like behind you, and I
Speaker 3: was like, guys, I think that's a therapy gecko. And
Speaker 3: I was like, I have to make a run for it.
Speaker 3: So I like bolted over to you and I stopped
Speaker 3: you and I said I barely even said hello. I
Speaker 3: said hi, can I give you something? And you were
Speaker 3: so kind and you said, of course, like what's your name?
Speaker 3: And I told you my name, and I did the
Speaker 3: little like peace, love, unity and rect like a handshake. Yes,
Speaker 3: we plurred, and I gave you the bracelet and I
Speaker 3: think it's just a therapy gecko on it. But I
Speaker 3: was just like on a off chance that is so
Speaker 3: like heartfelt and it was like such a big moment
Speaker 3: for me. And then I went back to over to
Speaker 3: my friends and she got a video of it, and
Speaker 3: I was like, thank you so much, like it was
Speaker 3: it like made my day so and it made my
Speaker 3: whole weekend. I was like talking about it forever.
Speaker 2: So that's so nice. That's so nice.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know I probably have it.
Speaker 3: I would love if you still have it, that would
Speaker 3: be amazing. I am also wondering how your experience was there,
Speaker 3: Like how did you How did you like the forest?
Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite places, like to be honestly ever,
Speaker 3: like I love going there every year, and I was wondering,
Speaker 3: like how you liked it?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I have a I have a thing
Speaker 2: and I've always had this my entire life where I
Speaker 2: I feel like I always have to I always have
Speaker 2: to be like working in some way, shape or form,
Speaker 2: and I I like, I need my This is a
Speaker 2: good thing. It's not a bad thing. But and it's
Speaker 2: like if I'm going to go on like a big
Speaker 2: trip or do a crazy thing or go to a
Speaker 2: festival or whatever, like uh, and if I'm if I'm
Speaker 2: doing that and I'm working. That's the best. That's the
Speaker 2: best I ever feel. And so was so like when
Speaker 2: I did when I did my little festival run where
Speaker 2: I was doing like bon Aru and Coachella and Electric
Speaker 2: Forest and I got to do the shows and also
Speaker 2: like hang out afterwards. It was fucking awesome. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I would go back just to just a vibe.
Speaker 2: I'm not like I mean maybe, I mean, certainly, if
Speaker 2: I got invited back to like ever do something, that
Speaker 2: would be cool. But even if I only got to
Speaker 2: do it, that would be amazing. But it was great.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love the music festivals. I love you know,
Speaker 2: I love the vibes there. Maybe I would go to
Speaker 2: another music festival just to vibe if I had, you know,
Speaker 2: I had like a reason to go or something like that.
Speaker 2: But you know, I mean, I love I love ecstasy.
Speaker 2: I haven't done it in like three fucking years. But
Speaker 2: it's fun.
Speaker 3: Me too. That's one of my favorite parts is to
Speaker 3: just kind of be able to be out in the
Speaker 3: woods exploring and not worrying about like any of my problems.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't know if I'll ever
Speaker 2: go back to Electric Forest, but I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 2: had a fucking great time.
Speaker 3: Well that's amazing. And I know you've been doing a
Speaker 3: lot of traveling lately, so it's been awesome to see
Speaker 3: all of your like recent endeavors. You're you've been exploring
Speaker 3: a lot of the different things, and it's really cool
Speaker 3: to see.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. Yeah, I haven't been doing I've
Speaker 2: been doing as much this year as as the past.
Speaker 2: But I'm I'm I'm hankering for it. I don't know
Speaker 2: where I'm gonna go next, but actually I do know.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to the Gathering of the Juggalos. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Gathering of the Juggalos. That'll be my next festival.
Speaker 3: That is badass. You are very excited, such a good time.
Speaker 2: I'm very excited for the Gathering of the Juggalos. I
Speaker 2: don't know what I'm gonna make yet. I don't I'm
Speaker 2: either gonna make I was thinking about making something more
Speaker 2: along the lines of that Tijuana video where I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of like trying to edit for
Speaker 2: story or just like doing on the Street podcast or
Speaker 2: both or one or I don't. I don't know yet,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna make something there. But that was fun. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've always wanted to go.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see it.
Speaker 6: What is your name again, Jenna?
Speaker 2: Jenna? Well, shit, Jenna, I don't want this to all
Speaker 2: be about me. What's going on with you?
Speaker 3: Another thing I've always wanted to tell you about is
Speaker 3: I play roller Derby. It's a pretty cool like hobby
Speaker 3: to have as like someone in their mid twenties.
Speaker 2: You say, mid twenties is if you're like a grandmother.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess in late twenties. Now. I'm twenty eight now,
Speaker 3: so I just turned on the eight this summer. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't feel like a grandma, but sometimes after a
Speaker 3: weekend of roller Derby, I do.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about being twenty eight? I don't
Speaker 2: know why. I'm like, I felt it's very young my
Speaker 2: entire life. But this year I've just started to be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: none of this is forever. It's I don't want this
Speaker 2: whole episode. I feel like I've been able to avoid
Speaker 2: getting into nihilism. So but when I else talk.
Speaker 3: About it, yeah, let's talk about it. It's it's very
Speaker 3: daunting to be twenty eight. I'm like, you know, supposedly
Speaker 3: a full blown adult, you know, from like a societal
Speaker 3: point of view, but I don't know, I still feel
Speaker 3: like a kid most of the time.
Speaker 2: It's cool though, because, like I mean, you go to
Speaker 2: a place like Electric Forest, and I have to you,
Speaker 2: you do encounter a lot of like, you know, motherfuckers
Speaker 2: in their thirties hanging out and doing drugs.
Speaker 3: It's awesome. It's like you see adult kids everywhere, like
Speaker 3: having the best time. Everyone's face is lighting up at
Speaker 3: everything they're seeing, and like all of the crazy characters
Speaker 3: that like float around the forest just to entertain people.
Speaker 3: Like the way that they organize that festival is very like,
Speaker 3: come play in the forest, everybody.
Speaker 2: I think my buddy sax Squatch just did just did
Speaker 2: a set there in the Honeycomb where.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know the sack Squatch. That's pretty sick.
Speaker 2: He's the man. He's the man.
Speaker 3: You were at the Honeycomb too, right, I was at
Speaker 3: the Honeycomb. Nice, it's iconic.
Speaker 2: Let's see, Jenna, you said your name was right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Good memory?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Roller Derby?
Speaker 6: Tell me what do we do not have to.
Speaker 3: Talk about Roller Derby? What do we need to talk
Speaker 3: about it?
Speaker 1: What do we mean interesting?
Speaker 2: What do we need to know about Roller derby.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a super high contact sport, but at the
Speaker 3: same time, it's like you're out there just hitting your friends,
Speaker 3: and when the whistle blows and the gem is over,
Speaker 3: you like pick your friend up and like give him
Speaker 3: a high five. Like it's all in the like love
Speaker 3: the game. Like it's not like super like scary competitive,
Speaker 3: if that makes sense, Like you just kind of enjoy
Speaker 3: hitting each other.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, when you say that it's a
Speaker 2: high contact sport, is it not, You're like you're shoving
Speaker 2: each other around, right.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what what's the is what's the goal? Is
Speaker 2: the goal of it to like beat the shit out
Speaker 2: of each other?
Speaker 3: Well not necessarily, so, like the goal is to each
Speaker 3: player has a jammer quote unquote, and that's the player
Speaker 3: that has the star on their helmet. So if you've
Speaker 3: ever seen like pictures of roller derby or something, or
Speaker 3: like a video of it, there's like a player that
Speaker 3: has a star on their helmet, and their goal is
Speaker 3: to like gain points by passing players on the other team.
Speaker 6: So each player that.
Speaker 3: They pass counts as a point, but those players are
Speaker 3: like actively trying to stop you from passing them, So
Speaker 3: It's kind of like it's kind of like football on
Speaker 3: skates without a ball or end zone, if that make sense.
Speaker 3: Like like there's no race, Like sometimes people think you're
Speaker 3: racing around the track. It's not necessarily a race. It's
Speaker 3: like each time you go around the track is another
Speaker 3: opportunity to get more points or to like stop the
Speaker 3: other jammer from getting points, if that make sense.
Speaker 2: It does make sense. That does make sense.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of like camaraderie and like team bonding,
Speaker 3: like we'll you know, have a beer after a game,
Speaker 3: and like we have lots of parties and stuff. It's
Speaker 3: just like a cool, fun way to like socialize when
Speaker 3: like you don't have like college anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah that we talked to a guy about dodgeball on
Speaker 2: the show a while ago, and.
Speaker 3: He has any recreational I encourage. I always encourage.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's it's important to have something after like
Speaker 2: high school and college that gets you in and around
Speaker 2: other people in some way shape or for him, you know, absolutely.
Speaker 3: And roller Derby is also fun because people have like
Speaker 3: names like that are not their real name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's your Derby name?
Speaker 1: Rhythm and Bruise, that's.
Speaker 3: It's like a pun. A lot of people have like
Speaker 3: many words in their name. It's not abnormal. So rhythm
Speaker 3: and bruise, Like I used to be a dancer. I
Speaker 3: guess I kind of still am, but like I used
Speaker 3: to be a competitive dancer, and I wanted to kind
Speaker 3: of like tie that into my derby name somehow, but
Speaker 3: also make it like a.
Speaker 2: Pun rhythm and brew.
Speaker 3: Bruise, like like if you got hit and you had
Speaker 3: a mark on your arm, like rhythm and bruise.
Speaker 2: Ah, okay, that makes sense. Huh uh huh, Yes, Jenna,
Speaker 2: you're still there.
Speaker 3: I'm still here. I just didn't know if you were
Speaker 3: going to say something else.
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like I do have that bracelet I
Speaker 2: have like a I keep. I keep all the stuff.
Speaker 3: I was wondering that that probably get a lot.
Speaker 2: Of stuff I'm lucky, lucky enough to get. I'm in
Speaker 2: a room with a bunch of stuff, but I keep
Speaker 2: all keep a lot of it in like a big drawer.
Speaker 2: Like the small stuff like little bracelets and chatchki's, I
Speaker 2: keep it all in a like a big drawer of stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm not good at decorating, like I had, I'm not
Speaker 2: good at decorating. Thank you, I'm not good at decorating,
Speaker 2: but I have I have some stuff up, but I'm
Speaker 2: I try to keep keep my life simple, I guess.
Speaker 2: But Jenna, thanks for go go ahead.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, I like the thought of
Speaker 3: my little bracelet being in a drawer with like other
Speaker 3: people's things that they like put a lot of thought
Speaker 3: into for you like it. It's a nice thought.
Speaker 2: Your bracelet is likely to drawer with a bag of
Speaker 2: somebody's hair that they gave me back in twenty twelve.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's even better.
Speaker 2: That's even better, Jenna, is there anything else you want
Speaker 2: to say to the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 3: If you're thinking about joining a recreational group, hobby, activity, sport,
Speaker 3: this is your sign.
Speaker 2: Beautiful. Oh hey, wait, what's your favorite Derby movie? I
Speaker 2: feel like there's a lot of them.
Speaker 3: I'm blanking because I'm really nervous on the phone with you.
Speaker 2: There's one with I felt there's multiple.
Speaker 3: I literally just watched one.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's only one.
Speaker 3: I think there might be only one, like super famous one,
Speaker 3: and I literally just watched it and I can't remember
Speaker 3: the name of it, so I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: It's someone put it in the comments someone put it
Speaker 2: in the common Yeah, someone please put.
Speaker 3: It in the chat. I'm sorry and my brain is
Speaker 3: like blank.
Speaker 2: Take care of Jennet.
Speaker 3: You two lyle, have a good rest of your stream.
Speaker 2: Bye bye bye. Wait, I have it. I have a computer.
Speaker 2: I'll just look it up. Uh oh, whip it, whip it.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's more? Is that the one?
Speaker 6: Is there?
Speaker 2: Only one of them? Jimmy Fallon is in this? What
Speaker 2: the hell is Jimmy Fallon doing in this? How old
Speaker 2: is Jimmy Fallon? He's fifty. Now this is a stupid Wikipedia.
Speaker 2: It just it just they just know how to They
Speaker 2: just know. You know, what's funny is like Meta and
Speaker 2: YouTube and Google whatever, like all these tech companies. They
Speaker 2: spend all this time trying to figure out the science
Speaker 2: of how to get us like addicted to their apps
Speaker 2: and whatnot, and they're always changing and they then they're
Speaker 2: you know, their public companies, and they put research into
Speaker 2: it and whatnot. But Wikipedia does the same thing and
Speaker 2: all they do is make stuff. Blue shout out to Wikipedia.
Speaker 2: Rep Kid goes on the line taking your phone calls
Speaker 2: every night. There bec goes to what his 's teaching you.
Speaker 2: Cloud in the mean of your life. But he's not
Speaker 2: really an expert