WEBVTT - Can You Eat A Tapeworm To Lose Weight?

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<v Speaker 1>Should Know, a production of My Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Chuck, Jane Chucker Bryant, and this is stuff you

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<v Speaker 1>should know, the super gross, but I love it. Addition, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>big time trigger warning for people. This is about tape worms.

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<v Speaker 1>It is disgusting and super creepy and gross, and I

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<v Speaker 1>knew that you would love it. It's so great, it's

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<v Speaker 1>The word perianus comes up at least once, and not

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<v Speaker 1>in a good way. Oh man, Perry As he was

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<v Speaker 1>a good guy. He was that's I've ever had was

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<v Speaker 1>Oh he was? Was he? Uh? Was he the one

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<v Speaker 1>who who made himself everybody's secret saying every year that's right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, old perry Anus uh down on him and

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<v Speaker 1>he would he would sign his name perianus parentheses saw ari. Uh. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't know what perenus is, just buckle up, because,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, Chuck, it's going to be quite a

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<v Speaker 1>ride because we are talking about tape worms, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>not talking just about tape worms. We're talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of taking a tapeworm, ingesting it, and letting it

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<v Speaker 1>live and grow in your body and the hopes that

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<v Speaker 1>it will uh divert enough nutrients and calories away from

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<v Speaker 1>you that you can just eat whatever you want and

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<v Speaker 1>lose weight at the same time because you're not getting fatter.

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<v Speaker 1>The tapeworm is right, but we're mainly just talking about

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<v Speaker 1>tape worms because well, I don't want to issue a

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<v Speaker 1>spoiler this really seriously, We'll save that for Act three.

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<v Speaker 1>So tape worms. Uh. This is from our old house

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<v Speaker 1>stuff works dot com website, which is nice to find

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<v Speaker 1>one of these. It is a little hidden gym hanging out.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a grab store article, originally just hidden in

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<v Speaker 1>the anus, waiting for us to discover it. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually it crawled its way out and dropped it at

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<v Speaker 1>my feet. So tapeworms. The very first line of this

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<v Speaker 1>article is a tapeworm is like something out of a

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<v Speaker 1>horror movie, and it really is. It is this wormy,

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<v Speaker 1>little ribbon shaped creature that is a parasite in every

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<v Speaker 1>sense of the word. They can be very big. It

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<v Speaker 1>can be as big as eighty ft long, and they

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<v Speaker 1>can live in a host for up to thirty years. Yeah. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you could get a tapeworm as a kid, and that

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<v Speaker 1>thing might be with you through every formative experience you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever had, and you might actually be sad when it

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<v Speaker 1>calls out of your anus and detaches itself from you.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds like a Simpsons episode or something kind of Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a little more like um Cleveland show. Um. The

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<v Speaker 1>good news is, uh, if you don't live in a

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<v Speaker 1>developing nation, then you probably don't need to worry about

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<v Speaker 1>a tapeworm, although it can still happen, to be sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but with good hygiene, good hand washing, good livestock practices,

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<v Speaker 1>and good um just feak overall fecal and food handling practices,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not likely to be an issue with you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>great practice livestock, great practice everybody. Yeah, So if you

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<v Speaker 1>are in the developing world, Um, you there is a

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<v Speaker 1>good chance that you can get a tapeworm because in

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<v Speaker 1>some cases, uh, sanitation is not as great as you

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<v Speaker 1>would like it to be, and there's more poop hanging

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<v Speaker 1>around than then there should be, or that there there

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<v Speaker 1>could be considering other modern practices. And then even beyond that, um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot more living among livestock then there are,

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<v Speaker 1>and say like developed urban areas. Right, so even in

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<v Speaker 1>the developed world, there there if you go outside of

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<v Speaker 1>the urban areas and you start running up against pigs

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<v Speaker 1>and cows and their poop and stuff like that, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you can conceivably catch the tapeworm fairly easily, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not really big into hand washing, sure, which you

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<v Speaker 1>should be if you're around poop from animals or humans

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<v Speaker 1>or any kind of poop. Yeah, just any time there's

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<v Speaker 1>even any kind of coincidence of poop in your hands,

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<v Speaker 1>even possibly, just take twenty seconds, recite the alphabet, and

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<v Speaker 1>wash your hands, because if you don't, you might get

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<v Speaker 1>some of that fecal material in your mouth and a

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<v Speaker 1>board that fecal material can be um tapeworm eggs, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is how you get a tapeworm infection. One way.

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<v Speaker 1>In the developed world, you're much more likely to get

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<v Speaker 1>it from something like eating undercooked meat. Right. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>even had pink eye. Oh really never. It's not a

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<v Speaker 1>pleasant experience. Chunk, all right, pop, Yeah, I got some

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<v Speaker 1>FeCO material in my own eye a couple of times,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess poop by the sailor man. Yeah, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>was sniffing my fingers and I guess I got too

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<v Speaker 1>close to my eye. Then you got your nose confused

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<v Speaker 1>with your eyeball right again, Right, I had a little

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<v Speaker 1>itch and I was like, oh no, what have I done?

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<v Speaker 1>And it was too late. So parasites, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>A tapeworms, like I said, are true parasites. Um. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>that it gets that it needs it gets from its host, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and like that's how it lives. Man. It just it is,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, a true parasite in that, like all

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<v Speaker 1>those things that you're supposed to be getting from the

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<v Speaker 1>food you eat, some of it is being diverted by

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<v Speaker 1>to the tapeworm um and they absorb nutrients like gangbusters.

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<v Speaker 1>They actually don't have a mouth, which is weird because

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like they have several mouths, but they actually

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<v Speaker 1>use those mouths to hang onto your intestines inside so

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<v Speaker 1>that they don't get flushed out by the paristalic action

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, helps move poop and stuff along your intestines,

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<v Speaker 1>and instead the tapewormage is kind of floating there absorbing

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<v Speaker 1>nutrients in the matrix of your gut juices basically, and

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<v Speaker 1>they absorb it. They absorb it through their skin um

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<v Speaker 1>and they're just really good at it, so much so

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<v Speaker 1>that there's at least one type of uh tapeworm out

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<v Speaker 1>there that you can actually get from eating undercooked fish

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<v Speaker 1>pike specifically. That's so good at absorbing B twelve. It

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<v Speaker 1>can outcompete you it's host, and you can get a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty bad vitamin B twelve deficiency as a result. Do so,

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<v Speaker 1>these tapeworms live in uh all kinds of host animals,

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<v Speaker 1>like they could you could be you or me. It

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<v Speaker 1>could be, like you said, a fish, which is pretty surprising. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Most often you hear about beef and pigs or cow.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's the animal and pigs. Uh. But they

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<v Speaker 1>you know, depending what kind of species it is, it

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<v Speaker 1>might have a preference for a kind of host. And

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we should describe the body of this thing

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<v Speaker 1>right now. It's it's pretty gross. It's got a a head.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you would call it. I call it the

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<v Speaker 1>skull X. Yeah, it's called the skull ax skull X.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the top of the worm what we as humans

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<v Speaker 1>might call a head. Yeah, but it looks like an

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<v Speaker 1>old timey diving head diving helmet, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's round, it's got those suckers, so they look

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of the portholes on the old div diving helmet. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And those again, those suckers, they look like mouths that

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<v Speaker 1>the thing would eat on, but no, they use it

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<v Speaker 1>to suck onto the sides of your intestine. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the head um there are some hooks,

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<v Speaker 1>like a ring of hooks that actually latch onto the

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<v Speaker 1>like really grip onto the side of your intestinal wall,

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<v Speaker 1>so that that tapeworm, once it gets its hooks and

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<v Speaker 1>it suckers into your intestinal wall, it's not going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we should bring back the term skin diver.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure you remember that skin diver. Yeah, wasn't that like

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<v Speaker 1>a snorkeling. I think snorkeling or maybe even scuba is

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<v Speaker 1>just such an antiquated term, like nobody uses that anymore, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, because it makes no sense now, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>possible it never made any sense. Like I could see

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<v Speaker 1>someone's granddad now saying, you know, I'm gonna get certified

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<v Speaker 1>to be a skin diver, right, and then we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get me some pearls, and all the kids laughing Grandpa,

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<v Speaker 1>No one's his skin diver, right, And Grandpa was probably

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<v Speaker 1>saying a bunch of other stuff. Nobody says anymore to

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Yeah, I know what you mean.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're bringing skin diver back. What was the last

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<v Speaker 1>thing you said something about the skull X. I said

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<v Speaker 1>that once this thing gets his hooks and it's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's suckers into your intestinal wall, it's not going anywhere. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like a good catchy tune. Yeah, like it your tape worm.

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<v Speaker 1>So if it wasn't for the skull x, uh, this

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<v Speaker 1>article points out, you know, the skull eos is the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>If it wasn't for this thing, that your intestines would

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<v Speaker 1>just churn it out and you'd poop it out, no problem.

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<v Speaker 1>But the skull X is really where the rubber meets

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<v Speaker 1>the road as far as attaching to your body and

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<v Speaker 1>that need to think that paristalic action I was talking about, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just a bunch of like quivering muscles that move

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<v Speaker 1>in a progressive direction towards your your rectum and anus

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<v Speaker 1>and all that that push like poop out through your

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<v Speaker 1>intestines or push nutrients through and where they absorbed. But

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<v Speaker 1>then it ultimately like pushes the poop out um. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's how the whole thing works. It's just like some

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<v Speaker 1>quivering muscles in there. And I read Chuck that if

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<v Speaker 1>you take a stimulant um laxative, that that's actually what

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<v Speaker 1>it does is it really kind of um energizes and

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<v Speaker 1>makes those muscles contract, which is good on the one

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<v Speaker 1>hand because it really works. But on the other and

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<v Speaker 1>it's bad because your body becomes dependent on those things

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<v Speaker 1>really quickly. So you don't want to just take those

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<v Speaker 1>willy nilly from what I saw. You want to try

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<v Speaker 1>just about every other type of laxative there is. First

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<v Speaker 1>starting with a diet high and insoluble fiber, and then

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<v Speaker 1>work your way on up to where you're talking to

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor or a nurse practitioner or something before you're

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<v Speaker 1>hitting those those um stimulant laxatives. Yeah, I think the

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<v Speaker 1>word laxative it's sort of is backward because it it

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<v Speaker 1>makes it sound like it's relaxing everything, when in fact

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<v Speaker 1>it's making everything work harder. It's pretty interesting. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>upside down and dipsy do. But I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a bunch of signs along the way that say

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<v Speaker 1>one way, one way, everybody. You're going this way whether

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<v Speaker 1>you like it or not. Right, So, the sculex is

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<v Speaker 1>the is, like I said, where you're you're sticking to

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<v Speaker 1>the intestine, and then below the skull x is the

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<v Speaker 1>neck and and the rest of it is, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>from the neck down, it's just sort of the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>There are all these uh, just individual segments, can be

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of them, at least hundreds, called the strobilla, and

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<v Speaker 1>each segment by its own is known as a pro

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<v Speaker 1>glatted And those are like when you look at a

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<v Speaker 1>tapeworm and it just looks like a piece of like

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<v Speaker 1>segmented tampe tape. Those those little segments, those proglottids. I

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<v Speaker 1>I did not know this at all, but there they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're basically reproductive organs that also contain eggs, and that

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<v Speaker 1>the ones closest to the head are male sperm sacks.

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<v Speaker 1>And then as you get further away from the head,

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<v Speaker 1>those proglottids um become female and egg holding, and that

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<v Speaker 1>under under some circumstances with some species of tapeworms, they

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<v Speaker 1>can sell um, fertilize and and basically we produced themselves, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But more often than not, they're they're just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>exchanging sperm and eggs with nearby neighbors who are again

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<v Speaker 1>floating around in your intestines, absorbing nutrients and just sperming

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<v Speaker 1>and egging everywhere inside your gut. Yeah, and you're just

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there watching Jeopardy and it might be eighty ft

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<v Speaker 1>long and thirty years old. You're just you have no

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<v Speaker 1>idea what's going on. Like your gut maybe infested with

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<v Speaker 1>tape worms right now, and you probably you might not know. Yeah,

0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:43.120
<v Speaker 1>isn't that creepy? It is super creepy. Yeah, all right,

0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:45.000
<v Speaker 1>let's take a break and I gotta I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>wash my hands again, and we'll talk more about these

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<v Speaker 1>proglottics right after this. Well, now, when you're on the

0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:04.440
<v Speaker 1>road driving in your truck, want to learn a thing

0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:08.560
<v Speaker 1>or two from Josh Man Chuck stuff you should know?

0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:16.320
<v Speaker 1>All right, okay, Chuck, so you promise more purglotted talk

0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:23.080
<v Speaker 1>laid on us. Yeah, So these purglotteds can um like

0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.480
<v Speaker 1>the tapeworm is hardy, but it can also break apart.

0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:29.680
<v Speaker 1>It'll still be alive, like make no mistake, Like like

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<v Speaker 1>a chameleon's tail. It's no big whoop if some of

0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.840
<v Speaker 1>these purglottis break off and they'll just come out of

0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.720
<v Speaker 1>your poop. And you might look at your stool and

0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.160
<v Speaker 1>see these things and say like, wow, I have a

0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.520
<v Speaker 1>tape worm. Thank goodness, I got rid of it. But

0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.720
<v Speaker 1>don't be fooled. There might be a lot of tapeworms

0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.280
<v Speaker 1>still back up in your body. Yeah, because remember up

0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:54.600
<v Speaker 1>towards the neck is sperm. Down lower along the body

0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.080
<v Speaker 1>is um eggs, and then the lower you get our

0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:00.720
<v Speaker 1>fertilized eggs. So when those proglotteds break off towards the

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<v Speaker 1>end and make their way out in your poop um,

0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:08.200
<v Speaker 1>they are they're fully fertilized egg sacs and that's how

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<v Speaker 1>they enter the environment. It's all part of the life cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>The proglottis breaking off and making its way out of

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<v Speaker 1>your anus. By the way, proglottids are spectacular in that

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<v Speaker 1>not only are they segments filled with fertilized egg sax

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<v Speaker 1>by the time they break off and leave you, they

0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:29.960
<v Speaker 1>also contain muscles, meaning that they can walk on their own.

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<v Speaker 1>So these little segments of tapeworm filled with fertilized tapeworm

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<v Speaker 1>eggs can move and crawl their way out of your butt,

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<v Speaker 1>so much so that there's something called discharge of the proglottids,

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<v Speaker 1>which um is when when right when totally I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say that is so progressive, it's crazy, But when

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<v Speaker 1>they start marching their way out of your butt, you

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<v Speaker 1>have a there's a crawling sensation arianus um, and that

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<v Speaker 1>this is one reason why dogs with tapeworms but scooch,

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<v Speaker 1>and also why you might butt scooch too, because you

0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:13.400
<v Speaker 1>are trying to erase the the very anus from your

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<v Speaker 1>body to get rid of this crawling sensation. For sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But even if they don't crawl right out of your

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<v Speaker 1>bottom um, they they can still make their way out

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<v Speaker 1>in your poop, and then they crawl away from the poop.

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<v Speaker 1>Because if they crawl away from the poop, and say,

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<v Speaker 1>like a pasture right where some human is just pooped,

0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:35.000
<v Speaker 1>there might be a cow nearby that eats the grass

0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.760
<v Speaker 1>that this periglotted has broken open and like deposited the

0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:42.960
<v Speaker 1>eggs into the soil. And when that cow eats those eggs,

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<v Speaker 1>this life cycle starts all over again. You know what

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<v Speaker 1>we call that dog scooch in our house the boot

0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:56.000
<v Speaker 1>scooting boogie. That's whenever you see the boot scooting boogie

0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:59.360
<v Speaker 1>happen in your house. It may not meet a tape worm,

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<v Speaker 1>but there it's not good. No um. Little Moe does

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<v Speaker 1>it sometimes, but she does this cute thing where she

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<v Speaker 1>does a little one eight in one place. She doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>go like, she doesn't make a line, she stays and

0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.879
<v Speaker 1>just kind of does like the twist, and she eventually

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<v Speaker 1>bores a hole in the floor and falls through to

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<v Speaker 1>another dimension. That's right. Yeah, the boot scooting boogie also

0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:23.880
<v Speaker 1>could be like anal glands that need expressing, or just

0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:28.359
<v Speaker 1>uh dingle berry that needs taken care of board on

0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.840
<v Speaker 1>a Saturday night. But it's never something awesome. It's never

0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:37.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, hundred dollar bills or just a dog that's

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<v Speaker 1>like making some cool noise with their butt, right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So man, Yeah, so the this life cycle thing that

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<v Speaker 1>just kicked off again, we should follow this through one

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<v Speaker 1>more time. Okay, I don't actually I don't even know

0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.160
<v Speaker 1>if we've gone through this. But the thing about tape worms,

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<v Speaker 1>and you kind of touched on it before, is they

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<v Speaker 1>infest different animals, But the same kind of tape worm

0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:06.880
<v Speaker 1>might infest different animals as part of its life cycle. Right, So,

0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.399
<v Speaker 1>like when you just pooped in the cow pasture and

0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.639
<v Speaker 1>that purglotted opened up in deposited the eggs into the soil,

0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.760
<v Speaker 1>and this cow eating grass ate that soil. Those eggs

0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.760
<v Speaker 1>went into that cow and they said, okay, time to

0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:24.960
<v Speaker 1>turn into our larval stage, and in the cow they

0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:29.160
<v Speaker 1>turned into larvae. But the larvae of tape worms form

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<v Speaker 1>like a cyst around them, and from what I can gather,

0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:37.040
<v Speaker 1>the reason that they form the cyst is because they um.

0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:40.840
<v Speaker 1>It prevents them from setting off an immune response. Because,

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<v Speaker 1>like you were saying, you can have a tapeworom infection

0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:46.600
<v Speaker 1>unless it's really bad and you're becoming really malnourished as

0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.720
<v Speaker 1>a result. UM, and it's a it's an adult tapew

0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:51.960
<v Speaker 1>room in your gut. You may never know that you

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<v Speaker 1>had one until the thing just falls out of your

0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:57.800
<v Speaker 1>bottom one day, like it's done um or you start,

0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:03.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, discharging purglotted in your stool. The same thing

0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:07.080
<v Speaker 1>with cows, like when they become infested with um tapeworm

0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:11.680
<v Speaker 1>larvae in these cysts forms, the cysts burrow their way

0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:15.080
<v Speaker 1>out of the intestinal wall and then just implant themselves

0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:18.040
<v Speaker 1>in the cows muscles don't seem to really provide any

0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of discomfort or problem, and again they don't sit

0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.920
<v Speaker 1>off an immune response. But the reason that they deposit

0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:28.160
<v Speaker 1>themselves in their muscles is because somewhere along their evolutionary history,

0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:29.720
<v Speaker 1>which from what we've seen and goes back at least

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<v Speaker 1>two seventy million years. They figured out that the animals

0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:36.480
<v Speaker 1>eat the muscles of other animals, and so we come

0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.000
<v Speaker 1>along and we eat the muscles of the cows, and

0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:42.720
<v Speaker 1>those cysts, those larval cysts of tapeworms deposit into our

0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:47.560
<v Speaker 1>guts and they mature into the adult tapeworm, so that

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<v Speaker 1>the whole life cycle begins again. Yeah, what these uh

0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:53.800
<v Speaker 1>at the larval stage, what they're trying to do. They're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get to the bloodstream, right, So like if

0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.800
<v Speaker 1>you eat eggs or whatever, then the they will become

0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:01.639
<v Speaker 1>those syste the larval's and then they go into the

0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:08.840
<v Speaker 1>blood stream. Right, that's right. Okay, So if you have this, uh,

0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.520
<v Speaker 1>if you have the tapeworm, then you haven't an infection

0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:16.560
<v Speaker 1>known as human tenise. Uh a man, I had it.

0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:21.800
<v Speaker 1>I even spelled it out tiny assis, Is that right?

0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:23.639
<v Speaker 1>I think? So that's how I was gonna say it.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you have that, like it's like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a big deal. It's asymptomatic probably and you

0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:31.600
<v Speaker 1>won't even know you've got it, but that can develop

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<v Speaker 1>into sisters yarcosis, and that is when these things get

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<v Speaker 1>into your blood stream, and that is not a good

0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.000
<v Speaker 1>thing because the chain reaction that can happen from here

0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:44.880
<v Speaker 1>is pretty bad. I mean, it can lead to death.

0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:48.800
<v Speaker 1>It usually doesn't. But they can be anywhere in your body. Uh,

0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:51.760
<v Speaker 1>they can grow, and they can inflame tissue. So if

0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:54.359
<v Speaker 1>it's putting pressure, like near your eyeball, it can cause

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<v Speaker 1>temporary blindness or permanent blindness. If it's near your brain,

0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.919
<v Speaker 1>that's no good. It can cause brain damage and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, in some UH countries they think it's the

0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:11.080
<v Speaker 1>main cause for adult onset onset seizure. Isn't that crazy? Yeah? Yeah,

0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I saw that. There's there's one guy it's called neurocystic

0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:17.919
<v Speaker 1>or kosis, and this one doctor says that at least

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<v Speaker 1>five million cases of adult onset um seizures worldwide or

0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:27.520
<v Speaker 1>from having tapeworm cysts in your brain. So that that

0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:32.200
<v Speaker 1>was the appropriate response, chuck. So the thing is like,

0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:36.919
<v Speaker 1>when you eat a tapeworm larva um, it becomes an

0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:40.680
<v Speaker 1>adult tapeworm in your gut. Humans aren't our bodies aren't

0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.840
<v Speaker 1>set up or they're not in this kind of symbiosis

0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:47.200
<v Speaker 1>with tapeworm eggs to do the same thing. So if

0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:51.040
<v Speaker 1>we eat tapeworm eggs accidentally then those become those cystic

0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:54.320
<v Speaker 1>larva's larva, and then that's that's what travels into our

0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:57.840
<v Speaker 1>bloodstream and causes all of these problems. And there's specifically

0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:01.680
<v Speaker 1>one kind of pig tape worm that it goes through

0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:05.680
<v Speaker 1>its life cycle from pig to human to pig, and

0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:09.920
<v Speaker 1>under normal circumstances, if we undercooked pork and get those larva,

0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:12.439
<v Speaker 1>they're going to turn into adult tape worms. But if

0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:16.320
<v Speaker 1>we undercooked pork and we accidentally eat some eggs from

0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:20.159
<v Speaker 1>that pork, then that's when that cistic or cosis. Is

0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:23.280
<v Speaker 1>that right, Yes, sistic or cosis. It can be a

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<v Speaker 1>real problem that you will know, like you were saying

0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:30.520
<v Speaker 1>that you've got a tape worm problem pretty pretty quick. Yeah.

0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:33.119
<v Speaker 1>If they get big, they can block your your ducks,

0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:36.520
<v Speaker 1>your pancreatic ducks, your bile ducks. Uh, they can get

0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:40.000
<v Speaker 1>in your organs and grow within your organs, which is

0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:43.439
<v Speaker 1>something that should keep you awake at night. Uh. If

0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:45.960
<v Speaker 1>they get large enough in your organs that that's gonna

0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:48.480
<v Speaker 1>like those organs are not going to be good for

0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:52.920
<v Speaker 1>very long. Uh. They can rupture sometimes. Um. And this

0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.080
<v Speaker 1>is just in the body, not necessarily in the organs,

0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:58.400
<v Speaker 1>but if it ruptures in your body, then it's your

0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Your body is gonna out like an immuno response. You're

0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:05.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna get hives, it's gonna itch uh, it's gonna swell,

0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:08.359
<v Speaker 1>and you're just gonna have like this massive allergic reaction.

0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:12.040
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna be like what bug bit me, right, except

0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:13.840
<v Speaker 1>you won't be able to talk because your throat will

0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:18.600
<v Speaker 1>have closed. Perhaps, so chuck um. If you don't want

0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:21.440
<v Speaker 1>a tapeworm, which hopefully by now you've realized you don't

0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:25.560
<v Speaker 1>want a tapeworm again, in the in the developed world,

0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:28.399
<v Speaker 1>it's not that hard to avoid a tapeworm, and in

0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:33.320
<v Speaker 1>the United States in particular, um like the meat packing

0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:37.320
<v Speaker 1>industry is I mean, it's dirty and gross and horrific,

0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:42.359
<v Speaker 1>but it's actually pretty good at spotting things like tapeworms.

0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:45.639
<v Speaker 1>So there's a really low chance that you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get your hands on meat from an American grocery store

0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:52.520
<v Speaker 1>that has tapeworm cists in it. Right, probably not going

0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:55.040
<v Speaker 1>to get a tapeworm, but just to be sure, the

0:23:55.119 --> 0:24:01.240
<v Speaker 1>government has very um conscientiously recommended some minimum king temperatures

0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:03.200
<v Speaker 1>for things like whole cuts of meat like a chopp

0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:05.479
<v Speaker 1>or a steak, right. I think it used to be

0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:09.479
<v Speaker 1>one sixty fairret height. Now they've lowered it to something

0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:13.920
<v Speaker 1>like one, which is sixty three degrees celsius. And here's

0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:16.320
<v Speaker 1>the key. They say, after you've done cooking it to

0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:19.119
<v Speaker 1>that internal temperature which you want to meet thermometer, Do

0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:21.480
<v Speaker 1>you have one of those? One of the best things

0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:24.320
<v Speaker 1>I've ever bought, Chuck. That really up my steak game

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit. But the key to a good steak,

0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:30.720
<v Speaker 1>and apparently to killing tape worms and other parasites, is

0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 1>to letting your whole cut of meat rest for at

0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:38.040
<v Speaker 1>least three minutes. I always do five after you cook,

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:40.560
<v Speaker 1>before you carve it up and start eating. Do you

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:42.800
<v Speaker 1>do that? You should do that anyway, because of the

0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:46.040
<v Speaker 1>flavor and the juices. It just does something amazing. Like,

0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:49.439
<v Speaker 1>before I started doing that, I was just a schlove.

0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:51.800
<v Speaker 1>I was a total loser. I had no idea what

0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:54.359
<v Speaker 1>was going on in the world. Once I started off

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<v Speaker 1>the grill and put it in your mouth, sure, yeah, basically,

0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:58.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean put it on a plate and like start

0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:01.840
<v Speaker 1>eating it right. Once started letting meat rest, it was

0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:06.160
<v Speaker 1>like a whole new world. Yeah. And here's another tip.

0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:10.359
<v Speaker 1>If you want a really delicious steak uh or I

0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:13.040
<v Speaker 1>guess pork chop. You you get one either. I mean,

0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:15.639
<v Speaker 1>if you don't have one of these um sort of

0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:18.320
<v Speaker 1>slotted cutting boards for to rest on, use like a

0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:22.840
<v Speaker 1>baker's rack or something, because you still maintain that crisp

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:26.000
<v Speaker 1>on the outer, that char if you just let it

0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:28.320
<v Speaker 1>sit in its juices, that's gonna get all. You know,

0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:31.760
<v Speaker 1>it's going to change the texture, oh, like a grilled

0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:34.560
<v Speaker 1>pan or something like that. Use that. Yeah, I've got

0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:38.159
<v Speaker 1>this cutting board that has uh it's basically like a

0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:42.080
<v Speaker 1>grid instead of being flat, uh and it and it

0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:45.639
<v Speaker 1>has a a little uh like a grill grate that

0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:48.600
<v Speaker 1>can lift up and out of it so it's never sitting.

0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:51.240
<v Speaker 1>Like not much of the meat is sitting on a

0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:53.800
<v Speaker 1>board when it's resting. So you don't want it to

0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:58.440
<v Speaker 1>rest in its juices. No, I want to keep it crispy. Okay,

0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:00.040
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that I got it all. It's to

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.080
<v Speaker 1>try that because I always just basically I just put

0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 1>it on a plate and throw like a some foil

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:07.760
<v Speaker 1>loosely over it, or else like a like a pan cover.

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:10.959
<v Speaker 1>You cover it too, huh. Yeah, yeah, I've always read

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:14.359
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna keep cooking right. Yeah, yeah, for sure, But

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:16.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's not on the flame anymore, so it's

0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:20.679
<v Speaker 1>like just kind of um yeah, yeah, I know. For

0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I've never tried it uncovered. Maybe I will try uncovering

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 1>and away from the juices and see what happens you

0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:31.200
<v Speaker 1>try covering it and leaving it in his juices. I

0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 1>don't even use a meat thermometer, so I think we

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:36.679
<v Speaker 1>have different steak games. You don't huh do you like,

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 1>here's rare, medium, rare, medium, rare. But if I know

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.480
<v Speaker 1>the thickness and the weight and the temperature, I don't

0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:47.360
<v Speaker 1>need to meet thermometer. I stopped cooking as many steaks,

0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:48.840
<v Speaker 1>so I have to kind of I had to go

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:52.199
<v Speaker 1>back to elementary school again. No, there's no shame in it.

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:55.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm not ashamed. I had a had a chef that

0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:59.040
<v Speaker 1>I worked for that he could he just touched his

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:02.560
<v Speaker 1>He like, you can tell the internal what the inside

0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:05.159
<v Speaker 1>looks like just by touching the outside, right, And we

0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:08.119
<v Speaker 1>should tell people. They're probably people who haven't been listening

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 1>that long and don't know the secret to steak that

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:14.040
<v Speaker 1>we've said before, Chuck, But you do not touch your steak.

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:16.440
<v Speaker 1>You don't cut it, you cook it, you see it

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 1>on one side for a minute and a half two

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 1>minutes tops, depending on how thick it is. Flip it

0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 1>over and do the same thing to the other side.

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:26.200
<v Speaker 1>And then you take it off of your oven or

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:29.879
<v Speaker 1>your grill or whatever and move it into a convection

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:34.119
<v Speaker 1>oven if you've got one at about three degrees three minutes,

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 1>the three and a half minutes per side for six

0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 1>to seven minutes total. Let it rest five minutes, thank

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 1>us in the morning. I don't do mind that way either.

0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, we've got different steak games. I thought,

0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I thought you said you'd tried it that way before,

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:50.560
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, this is amazing I've done. I'll do

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:52.199
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of way. Sometimes I do it in a

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:56.000
<v Speaker 1>pan and then stick it in the broiler. These days

0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:58.960
<v Speaker 1>of all about the grill again, because I've got a

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:02.040
<v Speaker 1>grill that can get really really hot. Oh yeah, well

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:04.159
<v Speaker 1>that's the key, you know, Like you want to see

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:07.960
<v Speaker 1>hear in those juices to keep it from escaping. Yeah,

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 1>which is another reason to meet. Thermometer is good if

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 1>you don't, if you can't, just use your thumb. You

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:14.679
<v Speaker 1>don't have to cut it open to look inside. You

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:16.680
<v Speaker 1>just plunge that thing in there and it tells you.

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I think all this talk of steak has made people

0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 1>forget that we're talking about tapeworms. Yeah, perryanus tapeworms. So

0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:30.160
<v Speaker 1>um should we? I mean, I guess we should talk

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:32.360
<v Speaker 1>a little bit about the symptoms before we come back

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>for the final act of tapeworms as a weight loss aid.

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 1>But you might not have infectra I'm sorry symptoms at first. Uh.

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 1>You might feel a little weak, you might feel some

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 1>you might have some diarrhea. You might feel dizzy or

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:51.480
<v Speaker 1>lose your appetite. You might lose a little weight. You

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 1>might crave salt, which is an interesting one because I

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 1>always crave salt. Yeah. I thought that was interesting to

0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 1>um or Pika in general, Like if you crave eating

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 1>clay or just anything that you is a little weird

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 1>is a big sign. You're saying Pica now, pa Oh yeah,

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>I think I've always said they haven't I you always said, Pika.

0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 1>This is amazing. It's like starting our podcast all over

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 1>again after twelve years. It's a refresh. That's what I'm

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 1>going with now, all right, Uh, So you will get

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 1>a you will deliver a stool sample. Um. If you

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:27.800
<v Speaker 1>go to the doctor, if you suspect you have a

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 1>tape worm, you want them to ask you for it first. Sure,

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 1>just don't bring it in a bag unless you've happened

0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 1>to see that your poop has worms in it, um

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 1>and that you could bring it in. But you could

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.440
<v Speaker 1>also just say there were those were definitely worms in

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 1>my poop, and hopefully what happens is is that you've

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 1>gone in there quickly enough to where it it doesn't

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 1>end up being a very big deal. And you take

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 1>a little anti worm medication and this thing works by

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 1>basically kind of paralyzing the parasite so it's muscles are

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:04.479
<v Speaker 1>perm contracted. Yeah, and you know we're talking about how

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 1>that that head just latches on. It's not able to

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:09.480
<v Speaker 1>latch on. It just comes right on out in your poop,

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 1>I know, because it just falls out, basically. And there

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 1>are plenty of videos on the internet that show tapeworms

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:21.560
<v Speaker 1>that have come out of people's anuses. If you want

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 1>to go see that kind of thing, they can get

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 1>really really long. Um. But that that drug chuck that

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 1>that you're talking about, the anti warming agent, it's the

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 1>same thing that they give dogs, Like any animal that's

0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 1>going to have a worm is going to get the

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 1>same treatment. But they found they're pretty sure this particular one,

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 1>Nick Close amid this d worming agent is actually also

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 1>good for things like treating cancer, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, graph

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 1>versus host disease, endometriosis, and a bunch of other stuff.

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Because they're like, it does something to to channeling pathways, uh,

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 1>multiple chane only pathways, And it might be like this

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:05.600
<v Speaker 1>wonder drug that's just waiting to be unlocked. Didn't that neat?

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:09.320
<v Speaker 1>That is super neat, Nick Close to meat? Do we

0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:12.479
<v Speaker 1>take that break? Yeah? Man, let's take the break, all right.

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Then we'll get to the big revel revelation relevation, no revelation.

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Can you use the tape him to lose weight? Right?

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>For this? Well, now we're on the road driving in

0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:38.719
<v Speaker 1>your truck. Want to learn a thing or two from Josh?

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Can chuck it stuff? You should know? All right? No,

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 1>you can't and you shouldn't. That's right. So remember Kelly

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Kapoor tried that or else she considered taking it. I

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:55.959
<v Speaker 1>don't remember, do you. Oh that's right, I forgot about that.

0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:58.000
<v Speaker 1>So I mean this has been around for a really

0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 1>long time. This idea that you can take a eat

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:04.240
<v Speaker 1>a tapeworm of some sort tapeworm cyst, not eggs, because

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>those will turn into system and invade your brain. Um

0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:12.240
<v Speaker 1>that that you could get a tapeworm infection and start

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 1>to lose weight. Possibly as long as the nineteen century

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 1>they think that there. So here's the thing. Do you

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>remember when we did our episode on Flee Circuses. Sure

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>it was really thrilling to me because even while we

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:31.720
<v Speaker 1>were podcasting, I still could not tell for a little

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 1>while whether it was a real thing or just one

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 1>of the most exquisitely perpetrated hoaxes ever, right, and that

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:43.080
<v Speaker 1>it was still working on us. There's this kind of

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:48.480
<v Speaker 1>a similar thing where it's not entirely clear if these

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 1>old timey ads are real people think they typically are,

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:56.680
<v Speaker 1>or if they were real, if anybody actually did this,

0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 1>or if it was some sort of farce or hoax

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>or satire. And if it wasn't satire, how widespread was this,

0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Because it does seem that there were nineteenth century ads,

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 1>late nineteenth century early twenty century adds four sterilized tapeworm

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 1>pills that women could take. They were marketed toward women

0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>to keep their their figure trim. Right. Of course they

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 1>were marketed toward women take a tapeworm, ladies, exactly. Uh.

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 1>There was a singer and opera singer named Maria Callas

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 1>who and this is almost certainly urban legend, but she

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>lost I read eighty pounds I've seen other places sixty

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 1>pounds over a few months in the mid nineteen fifties,

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 1>so much so that it affected her singing as an

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:47.360
<v Speaker 1>opera singer. And we do know that she got a

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:49.719
<v Speaker 1>tapeworm at some point in her life, and we do

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 1>know that she liked to eat her steak rare. But

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 1>I think it looks, by and large like it was

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 1>urban legend, that it got kind of all mixed up together.

0:33:57.560 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 1>And people said that Maria Callis lost weight by ingesting tapeworm,

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 1>right right, Like those two things did happen. She did

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:06.400
<v Speaker 1>lose weight, and she did have a tapeworm infection, probably

0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 1>at some point in life, but that the two were

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 1>in no way related. But based on this kind of

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:13.800
<v Speaker 1>idea that you could take a tapeworm and lose weight,

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 1>that that they became conflated into this urban legend, as

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 1>you were saying, and that that's that's like the one

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:23.920
<v Speaker 1>that people point to is like proof that this actually happened,

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:26.640
<v Speaker 1>and actually it didn't, it didn't happen at all like that.

0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Supposedly there is a clinic in Tijuana called worm Therapy

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 1>uh and supposedly this is the one place in the

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:38.839
<v Speaker 1>world where you can go get a tape worm put

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:43.560
<v Speaker 1>into your body to lose weight for about bucks. You

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 1>can get a beef tape worm um. And I've you know,

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:49.239
<v Speaker 1>have been to t one a few times. I never

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:54.560
<v Speaker 1>sought out worm therapy, but apparently it existed or still exists,

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not clear. So they have a website. I think

0:34:57.520 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 1>it's worm Therapy dot com or dot org and it's

0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:06.080
<v Speaker 1>as you know, like you know, contact form fields. It

0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 1>shows a map of where it is and it isn't

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 1>to you one and all that there's a phone number.

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I didn't call the phone number. But it's one of

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 1>those things like is it actually real number one or

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 1>is it just a hoax website? If it's not a

0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:21.359
<v Speaker 1>hoax website and it actually is a helmet therapy because

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 1>remember in our Hookworms episode, we were talking about that

0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:27.759
<v Speaker 1>theory that losing some kinds of parasitic worms they think

0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:30.319
<v Speaker 1>actually harmed our immune system and lead to a rise

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:33.719
<v Speaker 1>in like crones and stuff like that. Yeah, so there

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:38.319
<v Speaker 1>are clinics out there in the world that use um

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 1>parasitic worms to help autoimmune diseases. So it's possible that

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>worm therapy does that and that they don't do the

0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:48.919
<v Speaker 1>beef tapeworm thing. But the urban legend is that they did,

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:51.719
<v Speaker 1>at least as as recently as two thousand nine, they

0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:54.399
<v Speaker 1>offered it. It's just not clear whether any of this

0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:57.759
<v Speaker 1>is true or not. Right. What we do know is

0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:00.759
<v Speaker 1>true is that to to purpose do this is not

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:05.200
<v Speaker 1>a good idea. It is not a healthy way to

0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 1>lose weight. Uh, and you're not even gonna lose Like

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:10.799
<v Speaker 1>it said that you can expect to lose one to

0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.600
<v Speaker 1>two pounds from a tapeworm a week. You can lose

0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:19.319
<v Speaker 1>that much with a pretty aggressive diet and exercise plan. Yeah, supposedly,

0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 1>just cutting five calories out from your diet every day

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 1>every week, you could lose a pound. You can look

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 1>forward to losing a pound. So yeah, exactly taking a

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:31.520
<v Speaker 1>tapeworm to do that is not not a good idea,

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:36.400
<v Speaker 1>especially considering so because that tapeworm is competing for nutrients

0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:39.480
<v Speaker 1>from you. You're gonna end up with a pretty nice

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:44.319
<v Speaker 1>little case of malnutrition if it gets pretty bad. So

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 1>you're actually going to be your body is going to

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 1>talk you into eating more than you normally would, right,

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 1>so you'll develop even worse eating habits than you did

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 1>than you have before the tapeworm infection, so that when

0:36:57.640 --> 0:36:59.920
<v Speaker 1>you finally get around to taking a d worming eight

0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 1>it and it gets rid of that tapeworm, when you

0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:06.960
<v Speaker 1>just keep eating again, you're gonna gain that weight right back,

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:10.719
<v Speaker 1>and you're probably gonna gain more weight back because you've

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 1>developed even worse seeing eating habits from having the tapeworm.

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 1>And again, all of this is based on the idea

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:17.840
<v Speaker 1>that any of this is even true to begin with,

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 1>which is totally unclear still at this point. Yes, totally,

0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:25.840
<v Speaker 1>So that's it. Don't don't take a tapeworm to lose weight.

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Just exercise and diet. That's that is it. There's no

0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:32.920
<v Speaker 1>better diet fed than that. Just exercise and diet, and

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:35.640
<v Speaker 1>you will lose weight and feel healthier and better and

0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:38.360
<v Speaker 1>sleep better and have less chronic disease and just be

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:42.160
<v Speaker 1>far better off. That's it. That's right. You got anything else,

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:45.680
<v Speaker 1>No well, since Chuck said no, it's time for a

0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:52.759
<v Speaker 1>listener mail. This is from a high school student. We

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:55.439
<v Speaker 1>love hearing from high school students. This is from Kate.

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:59.399
<v Speaker 1>Kate says, Hi, guys, I am a junior in high

0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 1>school from mass Aitusetts. Discovered the podcast in September at

0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:05.239
<v Speaker 1>the start of the school year, and I've loved it

0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:07.759
<v Speaker 1>ever since. It definitely makes my morning car rides much

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:11.240
<v Speaker 1>more interesting, and it does wonders to decrease my horrible

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:17.480
<v Speaker 1>road rage. Recently, as I was driving to Cape Cod,

0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:20.280
<v Speaker 1>I was listening to your Spartacus episode. I've been studying

0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Latin since sixth grade, uh and this year was my

0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 1>first year taking Ancient Greeks, so needless to say, I'm

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:28.640
<v Speaker 1>a huge nerd when it comes to Roman history. I

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:30.400
<v Speaker 1>couldn't help but to laugh when I heard you both

0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 1>struggling to pronounce the names of the Roman consuls and

0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 1>they're important and other important historical figures. This quarantine has

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:40.800
<v Speaker 1>really been tough on me, guys, like it has on everyone,

0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:43.320
<v Speaker 1>and I really needed that laugh. So I thought I

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 1>would write to you as a sort of thank you note.

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Although your pronunciation may not have been great, the whole

0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 1>episode really did wonders to lighten my mood and make

0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:54.319
<v Speaker 1>me feel better even though things are crazy right now.

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:57.680
<v Speaker 1>Always I know that I have your podcast to listen

0:38:57.680 --> 0:39:00.239
<v Speaker 1>to when I'm feeling down or just want to smile out.

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Wishing you health and happiness. That is from Kate in Massachusetts.

0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Thanks a lot, Kate. That was nice of her to

0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:10.759
<v Speaker 1>say our pronunciation may not have been great. Yeah, what

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:14.680
<v Speaker 1>she means is, guys, you were way off. It was terrible. Well,

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