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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave

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Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals play

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Speaker 1: by play announcer Dave Pash. My guest this week is

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Speaker 1: one of the hot names in coaching right now. Nick

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Speaker 1: rawllis defensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals. What Rawless has

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Speaker 1: done has been simply remarkable. With all the injuries that

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Speaker 1: Cardinals have had on the defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 1: in particular on the defensive line, yet the Cardinals defense

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Speaker 1: the last month has been as good as any in

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Speaker 1: the National Football League. We'll talk with coach Rallis about

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Speaker 1: his beginnings as a player at Minnesota not long ago,

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Speaker 1: and how he got to the Cardinals, how he's grown

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Speaker 1: as a play caller over the last two years. We'll

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Speaker 1: also get into some of the individuals like Zavian Collins,

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Speaker 1: Buddha Baker, Kaiser White, Max Melton, and Garrett Williams. Get

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Speaker 1: his thoughts on how those guys are playing and in particular,

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Speaker 1: how the Cardinals are getting this done despite all the injuries.

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Speaker 2: We have a locker room full of pros. They all

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Speaker 2: prepare like they're a starter, no matter what their role.

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Speaker 2: Is players will tell me like, oh, man, you're dialing

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Speaker 2: it up right now. I'm like, yeah, you guys are

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Speaker 2: actually just executing it like it's so it's so easy

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Speaker 2: when we're out there executing.

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Speaker 1: with Cardinals second year defensive coordinator Nick Raults, coach. Before

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Speaker 1: we get started, First of all, it's amazing what you've

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Speaker 1: done so far. And I know a lot of people

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Speaker 1: know who you are, but they don't know much about

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Speaker 1: you still in the valley. The fact that eight years

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Speaker 1: ago you were playing football, not pro football, but college football.

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Speaker 1: I think just lets everybody know you're still a young guy.

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Speaker 1: You're thirty one and you just turned thirty one, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so what you're doing at your age, you're far ahead

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Speaker 1: of what your peers are doing. Are you surprised that

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Speaker 1: it's all kind of happened so fast? I know, you're

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the season, you're locked in week

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Speaker 1: to week on what you're doing in terms of film study.

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Speaker 1: But when you think back to kind of how it's

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Speaker 2: I don't know if since it happens over time, if

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Speaker 2: it's like surprise, But I do have appreciation for the

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Speaker 2: people that have helped get me here, whether that's you know,

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Speaker 2: from a career standpoint to me, like players ultimately are

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Speaker 2: the driving factor for coaches being able to elevate and

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Speaker 2: go on and do other things like if I'm not around,

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Speaker 2: you know, great players with the Vikings, if I'm not

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Speaker 2: things don't happen. So and that's honestly, it's not just

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Speaker 2: the players you coach, it's the whole team, like offense

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Speaker 2: a collective effort players and obviously the coaches that have

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Speaker 2: been around collective effort to win games. When you win

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Speaker 2: and accomplish the team's goals, good things happen to individuals.

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Speaker 2: So you know, that's the only reason that I've been

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Speaker 2: to spots in my career that takes a little bit longer.

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Speaker 2: I just got lucky being around really good people and

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Speaker 2: having people that believe in me, other coaches, players that

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Speaker 1: Do you think because you played recently that you have

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Speaker 1: a sense a good sense of what makes players tick

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Speaker 1: these this era of players, and so you can relate

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so, to be honest, I think

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Speaker 2: I definitely never played to the level of these guys,

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Speaker 2: about relationships and you know, really actually being invested in

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Speaker 2: So I guess my wishful answer is no, it has

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Speaker 1: I think back. I still remember. It wasn't long ago.

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Speaker 1: Obviously for me. It may seem like a long time

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Speaker 1: at ESPN. But I remember doing two Paul Bunyan games.

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Speaker 1: And then there was a game before I think it

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Speaker 1: It was a Thursday night game. Were doing that. I

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Speaker 2: I was just coming off of an injury. I don't

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Speaker 2: But that was a close. That was a that was

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Speaker 1: Was at that game. And those Wisconsin Minnesota games are

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Speaker 1: as good as it gets. Probably the most underrated rivalry

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Speaker 1: It was a big rivalry.

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Speaker 1: I just had LSU Florida this past week and I

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Speaker 1: you mentioned whether it was Philly or Minnesota, people that

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Speaker 2: Like, I think it's something that we got to continually

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Speaker 2: coach me, like, continual growth in the profession, otherwise the

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Speaker 2: You want to be able to kind of just decompress

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Speaker 2: But in reality is if you really want to make

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Speaker 2: you have to continually go. And that's something that we

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Speaker 2: previously or then of growth and knowledge enhancement, and you know,

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Speaker 2: all of us coaches really being able to enlighten and

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Speaker 2: I've I probably learned more than what I've actually taught,

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Speaker 2: thought Nick Sirianni did a really good job with that.

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Speaker 2: it's always you know, stressing people out to take that

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Speaker 2: has tremendously helped me, and I hope it's helping all

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Speaker 1: From a production standpoint, the numbers have been outstanding the

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Speaker 1: just want to kind of go back to the Washington game.

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Speaker 1: Since then, what's been the biggest difference.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's there's never going to be one thing

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Speaker 2: we've as coordinators, position coach, assistant coaches have doubled down

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Speaker 2: Washington game one in three and obviously that was a

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Speaker 2: bad loss, and you know, the players never waivered, the

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Speaker 2: What do we gotta do to get ready for this game?

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Speaker 2: So just continue investing in day to day. Be where

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Speaker 2: to win this game.

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Speaker 1: When you're watching film and you think first of all,

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Speaker 1: The last four games, the defense is in sync. Guys

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that speaks to the preparation of

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Speaker 2: prepare like they're a starter, no matter what their role is.

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Speaker 2: And what you see is when guys get their opportunity,

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. Just every day, how can I maximize?

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Speaker 2: The coach's job is to serve the player, So every day,

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Speaker 2: how can I maximize each guy? And each players are

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Speaker 2: so you know, when that's the culture that JAG's created,

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Speaker 2: it's it's I never sweat guy's roles having to change

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Speaker 2: on a week's week basis because I know those guys

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Speaker 1: Day as a coordinator. As a play caller, how have

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Speaker 1: you changed? Does the game slow down for a play caller?

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Speaker 1: From looking back to week one of twenty twenty three

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Speaker 1: to now? Do you call plays quicker? Do you anticipate

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Speaker 1: down the road, Here's what I'm gonna call if this happens? Like,

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Speaker 1: how does that evolved for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you you always have to kind of be ahead

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Speaker 1: Seems like the more that Max Meltain plays, the better

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think I think those those reps

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised at all with Garrett Williams because he

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Speaker 2: No one is intelligence. He could play any position in

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Speaker 1: What about your defensive line, You've probably had more injuries

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a collective effort with all those guys.

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Speaker 1: When you were in Philly, you had a lot of

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Speaker 1: And now that's where he's playing. And the numbers aren't gaudy,

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Speaker 2: This past week he was in there at three technique

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Speaker 2: double team and fought off two guys and got in

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Speaker 2: on the play. Like, no, that's versatility. It's finest right there, right,

435
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Speaker 2: and that's like those are the extreme ends of the spectrum,

436
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Speaker 2: like what we asked him to do normally, and coverage

437
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Speaker 2: is not as stressful as covering Tyreek up the middle right,

438
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Speaker 2: But like that coupled with his ability to play violent

439
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Speaker 2: and edges in the run game, his versatility as a rusher.

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Speaker 2: The reason he took on that double team as the three

441
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Speaker 2: technique is because he can rush inside, so he was

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Speaker 2: in there to rush. He can rush off the edge.

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Speaker 2: People have to honor him as a rusher because he

444
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Speaker 2: can win. But that opens up so much for us schematically.

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Speaker 1: So like.

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Speaker 2: He's so versatile and plays such a significant role for

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Speaker 2: this defense, and he's a leader, he's a worker, Like

448
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Speaker 2: he's a huge piece of what we do.

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Speaker 1: A couple more quick ones, We'll get you out of here.

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Speaker 1: At some point here in the near future, Darius Robinson's

451
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Speaker 1: going to play his first NFL snap. I think all

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Speaker 1: of us that were watching training camp from AFAR were

453
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Speaker 1: incredibly pressed if you watch him at all in Missouri,

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Speaker 1: see why why are you excited about him getting out there?

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Speaker 2: A lot of different reasons. I would say, you know,

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Speaker 2: skill set, but also I know I know the energy

457
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Speaker 2: and violence that he plays with, and that leads to

458
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Speaker 2: you combine those two things with preparation. He's another one.

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Speaker 2: He's a rookie. He feels like he's probably a ten

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Speaker 2: year vet. The way that he prepares, you know, you

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Speaker 2: combine all those things, like he's going to go out

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Speaker 2: there and make plays. So that's what I'm excited. You

463
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Speaker 2: know when that time comes, you know, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: he's going to go out there and just let it

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Speaker 2: loose and let those plays come.

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Speaker 1: What about Buddha. I know, with some guys in pro

467
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Speaker 1: sports football, basketball, in a contract year, all of a

468
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: sudden they're playing better. But Buddha doesn't think that way.

469
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Speaker 1: He's not thinking, oh, it's a contract, you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: play harder. I mean that's Buddha plays the same way

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Speaker 1: whether he's the lowest paid guy in the league or

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Speaker 1: the highest. But it does seem like this year and

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Speaker 1: maybe it's just being healthier that he's at a different level.

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Speaker 1: What's standing out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I think he's he's played at a

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Speaker 2: high level for a long time. I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: collectively year two as a defense, not just Buddha probably

478
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 2: executing at a higher level. We're probably coaching at a

479
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Speaker 2: higher level. And as a result, I think his skill

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Speaker 2: set and his violence and motor is really shining. So

481
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Speaker 2: like he's making some unbelievable plays coverage, run game, open field, tackling, blitzing,

482
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Speaker 2: Like he makes plays that really don't look good initially

483
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Speaker 2: for us, and he finds a way to get the

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Speaker 2: ball down. You love players like that as a coach,

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Speaker 2: right because it makes up for a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 2: So he's always been a phenomenal player. He's playing phenomenal

487
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Speaker 2: right now. And I think just collectively, when we're playing

488
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Speaker 2: better as a defense, you know, a player of his

489
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Speaker 2: level really shows.

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Speaker 1: All right, last one and I saved this one for

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Speaker 1: a reason. Kais You're white. Tell me about your relationship

492
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Speaker 1: there and the fact that your son will forever remember

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Speaker 1: Kais You're white because his first name is dominic middle name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think, like you know what I'll tell

495
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Speaker 2: my son is the reason he was named after this

496
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Speaker 2: guy is you know number one is he plays very violent,

497
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Speaker 2: So you know, maybe my kid will be a football player.

498
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: Maybe not, but if he plays football, he better plays

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Speaker 2: violent as Kazier. But it's it's really the teammate that

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Speaker 2: he is, like teammate to coaches and players, like he's

501
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: like the ultimate to me model for accountability. He always

502
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Speaker 2: even when it's my fault, he wants to take the

503
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Speaker 2: blame like he always has my back. Uh, he's got

504
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Speaker 2: his coaches back, he's got his players back like he can.

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Speaker 2: He can you know, take that as JG would say,

506
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: take the arrow on the forehead. He does it better

507
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: than anyone. I remember a conversation specifically I had with

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Speaker 2: him once where this was back in Philly. I was gonna,

509
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: you know, reduce his role on a certain thing that

510
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: we were doing that week. And you would have thought

511
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: that he would have you know, been mad at me,

512
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: but I mean it was unbelievable the way that he took.

513
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: He said, Yep, I got to play better in that spot,

514
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 2: and so and so is playing really good right there.

515
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, I got to go out there and improve

516
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: and earn that role back. And it was like wow,

517
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: you know, and it's that kind of you know, player

518
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 2: that he is the teammate that he is. That I

519
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: want to, you know, tell me whatever you do in

520
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: life like it is, it's it's it's never individual. Family

521
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 2: plays a huge role, you know, whatever you do for

522
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: a career, I'm sure it's not going to be a one,

523
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: one man effort, right, There's going to be a team

524
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: that gets you to where you need to get to

525
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: in life. And so like you need to be the

526
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Speaker 2: ultimate teammate like that that puts the team first then

527
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 2: yourself and you will reap the benefits of it. Still,

528
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Speaker 2: but that's ultimately why I named my kid after Kaiser.

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Speaker 1: That's an awesome story and again, just really cool. You

530
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Speaker 1: don't see that very often where a coach is naming

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Speaker 1: his son after a guy that he's currently coaching. You know,

532
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: maybe it's somebody. I mean, they're plenty of kids named

533
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Speaker 1: Brady or Manning. Not a lot of Kazers.

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Speaker 2: No, not a lot of Kazers. I don't want to

535
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: stand out, but I definitely, I definitely like to. You know,

536
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Speaker 2: I actually named my first kid after Eric Kendricks as well.

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Speaker 2: So my first kid is Kendrick. You know, I didn't

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Speaker 2: tell my wife that until about a couple of months ago,

539
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: so she didn't know that initially, but that's why I

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00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, Kendrick, Yeah for sure. I was like yeah,

541
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: like Kendricks perfect. I do like to to honor. I mean,

542
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Speaker 2: it's a privilege for a coach. For to me, as

543
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Speaker 2: a coach is a privilege to be a part of

544
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Speaker 2: a player's journey. You're never the it's never oh I

545
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: look where I got this guy. They get themselves there

546
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: and you're a small piece on that journey. But like

547
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Speaker 2: you can't forget that, like this is the NFL, and

548
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: like there's greatness to that. Like I think back oft

549
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: like the players that I was looking up to, Like

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Speaker 2: it's pretty cool to think if you were, man, oh

551
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Speaker 2: you coached like you coached Dick Buckets, you coach Jack Tatum,

552
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: like like that's that's cool. Like I looked up to

553
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Speaker 2: those guy Ray ray Lewis edried, like you coach those

554
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: guys like you were a part of something that I've

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00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: I modeled as a kid. And so it's not to

556
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 2: be taken lightly. Like I think it's as special to

557
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 2: be part of these guys careers. Everybody's honestly, like they

558
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 2: put so much into it and you know. I think

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Speaker 2: I just have a high level of respect for that

560
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: because it doesn't last forever. Man, it's it's the legacy

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Speaker 2: that they're leaving so special.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff. Man, you've been awesome in this setting. More importantly,

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Speaker 1: you've been awesome on Sundays when uh, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you, thank you, thank you, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff from coach rawllis love his passion. You can

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Speaker 1: tell above all else that he loves what he does.

567
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Speaker 1: He loves football, he loves to coach it, and nothing

568
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: surprises him. That's really what stood up to me, just

569
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Speaker 1: the conversation about adjusting to offenses, tendencies, things that maybe

570
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Speaker 1: would surprise you in a game that you didn't see

571
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Speaker 1: on film. He seemed to have an answer for everything,

572
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Speaker 1: and I love that shows that he is well prepared

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Speaker 1: and focused and the future is really bright for the

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