1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. There's some good news we 10 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: can start the strange news off with this week. There 11 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,959 Speaker 1: is a suspect who has been arrested in the Delphi 12 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: murder cases as they're as they're popularly known now, Matt Noel. 13 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: This is something that we had talked about in the 14 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: past as an unsolved true crime. You guys remember that one. Yeah, too, 15 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: very young girls who lost their lives, and there didn't 16 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: seem to be any leads for years and years and 17 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: years other than a cryptic uh and incredibly disturbing audio recording. Right. 18 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: One thing that we did, I think correctly in this 19 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: when we talked about in the past, is we noted 20 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: this uh, the scant evidence available was all that police 21 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: and law enforcement are revealed in the murders of Abigail 22 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: Williams and Liberty German. As of now, a man named 23 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: Richard Allen is in custody, but the arrest records are sealed. 24 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: So we're keeping an eye on this one and will update. 25 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: But in the interim, all we can say is we 26 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: hope there is just this enclosure for the families. Today, 27 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about some other strange mysteries. We're 28 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: going to talk about some other violent things. There is 29 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: a producer who was rated by the FBI and then 30 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: disappeared for quite a while. We'll have an update on that. 31 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: There is politically motivated violence that is prompting a national 32 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: conversation in the US, though maybe not a conversation with 33 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: the tenor you would expect in the wake of these attacks. 34 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: But first, maybe we open up by talking about meat prices. 35 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: A weird way to get into it, but man, for anybody, Yeah, 36 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: anybody has been to a grocery store recently, especially if 37 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: you like the three of us are on the carnivorous 38 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: side of Michael Pollin's omnivore's dilemma. You know, the meat 39 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: prices have gone kind of nuts. You know, you might 40 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: be trying to buy some ribs, some nice spare ribs, 41 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: do a little Korean barbecue, only to experience sticker shock. 42 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: What's the what's the last time you guys went and 43 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: bought some meat and were you surprised by high prices? 44 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: Or do you have do you have a hook up? 45 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: Because this fully selfish question here, I'm looking for a 46 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: better place. Well, you can always get one of those 47 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: meat box subscriptions, just putting that out there. No, No, 48 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: you need a meat person, like a meat guy or 49 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: meat lady who just got the hook up on those meats. 50 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: Have a meat cute with your meat guy. There you go. Uh, 51 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's been a while since I've actually purchased 52 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: some meat in that way. I did get some bacon 53 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 1: not long ago, and it was more expensive than I'm 54 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: accustomed to when buying bacon, like eight bucks. Yea, eggs 55 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: right on the money. There we go, There we go. 56 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: Because people know now how to rig a lot of 57 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: those economic or a lot of those favorite metrics of economists. Right, milk, eggs, 58 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: and bread. Uh, those things you can keep at a 59 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: somewhat stable price point usually, But if you have if 60 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: you have seen, if you have seen, like us, the 61 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: price on a lot of different meat products, whether in 62 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: grocery stores or in restaurants. A let of restaurants, now 63 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: they have a disclaimer that says, due to inflation or 64 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: due to supply chain issues, these prices have to be increased. Right. Uh. 65 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: Then you may have seen this, folks, and you may 66 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: have thought, hang on, why don't I do my own 67 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: heist if these folks are heist to me at a 68 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: grocery store? Yeah? Yeah, why not create a giant criminal 69 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: enterprise with three human beings? Which there's got to be 70 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: more than three human beings? All right, let's let's let's 71 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: talk about this. In today's meet minute. We're going to 72 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: a story from September two, so this past September. It's 73 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: coming to us from ABC channel eight. And here's the title, 74 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: thirty seven thousand pounds of missing meat in York. That's 75 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: York County leaves investigators craving answers and this is this 76 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: is coming out a Lincoln, Nebraska. I'm gonna read quite 77 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,679 Speaker 1: a bit of this because it's a it's a short story, guys. 78 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: A refrigerated trailer, a large one was stolen on Saturday, 79 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: according to the York Police Department. Police say the thieves 80 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: transferred the thirty seven thousand pounds of meat it was 81 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: carrying into another trailer before disappearing. This happened around the 82 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: same time that more than seven hundred and fifty thousand 83 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: dollars worth of meat was stolen from three trailers in 84 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: Grand Island. The trailers taken from that area are still 85 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. This crime spree comes just a 86 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: few months after nearly four hundred thousand dollars worth of 87 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: beef was stolen across our area. So well, so far, 88 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: there are no reports of any arrests in in any 89 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: of these cases. So that was from September. Uh, that's 90 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: a lot of meat being stolen. And my question to 91 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: you guys before we even up into the rest of 92 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: this story, what do you do with thirty seven thousand 93 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: pounds of meat if you're going to try and take 94 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: it to a black market somewhere? Like, how does that 95 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: even function? What would I do? Or what would other 96 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: like like you haven't thought of the smell you but yeah, 97 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: it's tough. It's like what would you you know, it 98 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,239 Speaker 1: goes back to things like the maple syrupist or other 99 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: you know, um, cheese heist in Europe, which you're a thing. 100 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: But but those are two things that have more of 101 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: a shelf life, at least in I believe, right. Meat 102 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: is if you're not storing it correctly, that much meat, 103 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: you need a huge facility to to keep it cold 104 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: or freeze it or something. And then do you do 105 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: the heist with the refrigerated truck that you've also hoisted 106 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: or is this like your thing? This is your cruise specialty? 107 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: Is is hoisting meat but hounds? That's uh, that's a 108 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: big truck. Yeah. And and if you're using the same 109 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: truck for multiple heists, like it appears that somebody is 110 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: stealing a ton of meat from different places. Uh, somebody's 111 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: going to pick up on your trail pretty easily if 112 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: you're in the same truck getting away from those crime 113 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: scenes every time. Uh. I don't it's weird. I don't 114 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: know what you do with black market meat. I want 115 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: to learn more. Uh, there is an interesting Mental Floss 116 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: article that I want to get into to give that 117 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: gives us some historical context about missing meat in the past, 118 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: or black market meat rather. But for now, let's jump 119 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: to the Washington Post, who wrote on October forget bank robbery. 120 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: These men stole nine million dollars in meats. I bet 121 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: they made uh you know they made Actually it's not 122 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: a bet. Uh. They provably made more money off this 123 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: heist than one would make in a typical bag and heist. 124 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: The economics of bank heist or not, what heat has 125 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: led you to believe? Folks, you're right. But the handy 126 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: thing about money is that even though you you gotta 127 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: flip it somehow, right, you gotta wash that money somehow 128 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: if you're gonna get it off your hands and actually 129 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: make money on a bank heist. In this case, you've 130 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: got a bunch of meat that you gotta flip somehow 131 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: to actually make that nine million dollars in meat. Uh. 132 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: It's it's a very strange thing. So I'm gonna go 133 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: through quite a bit of this article. Two guys, stop me, 134 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: Just jump in when you're ready. Uh, let's just go 135 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: through it because it's it's a little complicated, but it's 136 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: really interesting. The way this investigation came together started with 137 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: stolen beef, According to the Washington Post, nearly four under 138 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: thousand of it in two semi trailers taken from a 139 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: lot in Emerald, Nebraska. I was back in June, so 140 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: this is going even further back than the previous article 141 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: we mentioned. By the time the authorities had finished tracing 142 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: the missing stake, they had uncovered what they say was 143 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: an organized enterprise by three Florida men who pulled off 144 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: about forty five separate thefts of meat and equipment over 145 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: a year and a half. Impressive. Honestly, these are the 146 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: Florida men that kind of have their their heads on straight. 147 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: It would see they're still doing Florida Man esque type things. 148 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, they're not like running naked through a 149 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: you know, quickie mark high on meth. This is like 150 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: pretty organized. Again. Also, Florida Man is an unfair stereo 151 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: laws passed Florida, so so they But but no, it's 152 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: it's a really good point. Well, they do seem to 153 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: have uh, they do seem to have their wits about them. 154 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: This doesn't seem a crime of passion or impulse. Right. 155 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: Someone has knowledge, right, that's the thing. Right, they have 156 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: to They have to know a little bit about placement 157 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: process and timing. Yeah, well, and think about it. These 158 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: are in from Florida who are traveling from Miami to 159 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: the Midwest to various locations across the Midwest, knowing where 160 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: to go, where to pick up trailers that are already 161 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: full of meat, and then take those trailers like attach 162 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: them to their own trucks, often move those trailers away, 163 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: then take the meat out and blow out their incense, 164 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Sorry that was a reference 165 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: sdindal Um. But but yeah, you're right, there's a lot 166 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: They have to have a lot of knowledge something's going 167 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: on here. So these three guys, whose names you can 168 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: find if you look them up. I'm not gonna name 169 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: them just because they've been arrested, but they nothing has 170 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: been proven of what they've done, but we'll see why. 171 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: The investigators are pretty sure in just a moment um. 172 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: These three men were arrested on October twenty in Florida 173 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: on charges related to all of these thefts we're talking about. Um. 174 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: The authorities spent over a week tracking them, like tracing 175 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: these guys all of their movements as they watched thefts occur, 176 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: so they were up on their cell phones and they 177 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: also placed GPS devices on several trucks, large trucks like 178 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: semis that these men were driving and they literally just 179 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: watched them travel throughout the Midwest stealing some things, uh 180 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: from Sioux Falls, South Dakota specifically, where they watched them 181 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: steal it. They watched their their movements as they moved 182 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: the product into different places and then headed back towards Florida. 183 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: That's when they got picked up. And that's you know, 184 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: when they got arrested and charged. But some other weird 185 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: things happened along the way, you guys, just some strange stuff. 186 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: We talked, you know, we talked about government surveillance all 187 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: the time. When you're not under an active investigation like 188 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: these guys were, you don't imagine that anybody's gonna put 189 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: a GPS tracking device on your vehicle, or that someone's 190 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: just going to get a court order to track your 191 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: cell phone or be up on your cell phone wire style, 192 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: you know. But that's what happened to these guys. That's 193 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: what happened to these guys, um. And you have to imagine, 194 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: if you're you're pulling off these high stakes, uh it's thefts, 195 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: you'd imagine that somebody's watching you or you know, paying 196 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: attention to you, and they most certainly were. When when 197 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: these guys This is one of the weird things to me. 198 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: When these guys got stopped on their way from South 199 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: Dakota where they stole nineteen palettes of ham which was 200 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: around a hundred and thirty thousand dollars worth of pork 201 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: by the way, something like that. Um, he was stopped 202 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: by the Tennessee Highway Patrol. The stolen palettes of him 203 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: were on that truck and he had a phony bill 204 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: of lading, that thing that said you know that we 205 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: just learned about that. It's the thing that it's your 206 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: shipment shipment manifest basically that says, here's all this stuff 207 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: that I'm caring for this company to go to this company, 208 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: All of that information is in there. It was phoneticated. 209 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: It was yeah right. He had it ready to go, 210 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: so he knew. He's got insider understanding of how the 211 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: shipping the shipping meat thing goes. He knows how the 212 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: sausage is made. Yes, perfect, perfect though. Um. But because 213 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: this dude, this driver, one of the three men, wasn't 214 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: registered with the Department of Transportation to Hall Goods, the 215 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: officer cited him for violations but didn't arrest him. I 216 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: guess it was unknown that these nineteen palets were stolen 217 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: at least by that Tennessee Highway patrol. Right, there's no 218 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: communication happening. Um, So they just let him go. They 219 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: continue driving until they got picked up again or stopped 220 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: again in Florida, and again state troopers pulled him over, 221 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: who again showed that phony bill of lading and showed 222 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: off the ham again like, hey, it's just ham Man, 223 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: It's all good. U. There were some other police officers 224 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: who you know, who were involved in the investigation following them, 225 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: and that's when these guys got picked up when they 226 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: arrived back to Miami, just to show that they were 227 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: transporting it all the way back down, which is important question. 228 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: Uh that so many questions. In fact, so Matt, it 229 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: sounds like we're of the same mind that these are 230 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: the street level operatives, right, They're not necessarily the brains 231 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: of the op. I mean, you hear bill of lady, 232 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: you hear the knowledge of where to hit and win. Uh. 233 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: I have a theory, if it's all right, please? Oh man? 234 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: All right, So here's here's the theory. This is profound speculation. 235 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: Not too long ago we looked in depth at how 236 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: all right the theory the headline cartels. Not too long ago, 237 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: we looked in depth at how cartels have been diversifying 238 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: their portfolio as they become increasingly corporate entities, from you know, 239 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: basic gracketeering and protection ran gets all the way up 240 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: to uh dabbling in agriculture right running avocados schemes, which 241 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: or a great profit center honestly, as anybody's going to 242 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: Chipotle knows. But the next thing I'm asking, does it 243 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: sound like it would be a possibility that a large 244 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: organized crime group could be behind this? Right? Would that 245 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: not answer the infrastructure question? You would need some restaurants 246 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: to defense this stuff, for wholesale suppliers to wash the 247 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: meat the way wash money, and a lot of a 248 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: lot of cartels and organized crime rings or whatever own 249 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: restaurants you know, and and operate them as fronts potentially 250 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: and may have you know, folks in their circle who 251 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: would just buy this stuff um sit side unseen. Yeah, 252 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: but you do. You don't see that much meat without 253 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: a client. You know, you can see your point and 254 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: there's a shelf life there. But but the thing is, 255 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: with a front, you have to keep everything looking as 256 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: above board as possible with those So if you're bringing 257 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: in stolen product like that to actually sell that could 258 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: be a big red flag. And if you're so, it 259 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: feels to me, I think you're right, Ben. This is 260 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: gonna be Sonola's special pork that's gonna be on sailing 261 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: special stories or something that's very interesting. Ben. Mm hmm. 262 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking it actually might end up 263 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: getting shipped to somewhere. Um, this sounds weird, but somewhere 264 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: that really needs food right now. I'm thinking about like 265 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico that's still dealing with the aftermath of, you know, 266 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: a disaster. Like, are you saying the plan was to 267 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: ship it to these places? Yeah, That's what I'm saying. 268 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: Like maybe maybe the plan was, like maybe it was 269 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: less criminal, Maybe it was more that I'm being I 270 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it was that'd be great. Is interesting though, 271 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: with what you're saying there, Matt, because UH ICE was 272 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: evolved or excuse me, hs I whatever we're supposed to 273 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: call the but as I stand for, Ben, Immigrations and 274 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: Customs Enforcement and Security. Oh, let me remember it correctly. 275 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: UH Homeland Security Investigations, which on its website calls itself 276 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: a vital US asset in combating criminal organizations illegally exploiting 277 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: America's trade, travel, financial, and immigration systems. Interesting that they 278 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: would be there. And then again to your point, I 279 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: don't want this to get buried, met point out something lovely. 280 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: Elio followed these guys to make sure that they had 281 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: an airtight case for interstate commerce. Yep, interstate commerce. And 282 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: then you know they're taking it to Miami, which is 283 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: a great place if you want to load something up 284 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: on a cargo ship. Just saying who knows, We don't know, 285 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: we don't have the information. All three men have been 286 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: released on bail as we write this, and they're a 287 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: waiting to be arraigned. So we shall see what happens, 288 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: what comes of this. But in a weird way, kudos 289 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: to you guys who figured out how to steal all 290 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: that meat. I bet you they got bail. I bet 291 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: you part of the reason they got bail is to, uh, 292 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: you know, throw the little fish back and see if 293 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: the big fish bite. That's a good point. Then you're 294 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: not suppay that. Okay, it's part of the investigation. Man, 295 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna speculating here, ridiculous romance. All right, Well, that's 296 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: all the stolen meat for today, we're going to hear 297 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor and we'll be right back 298 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: with more strange news. And we're back with the story 299 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: that definitely has folks on both sides of the political divide. 300 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: I don't know, trying to figure out a position to 301 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: take on it. I guess I mean the obvious position 302 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: when an elderly gentleman has his home broken into it 303 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: is attacked by a hammer wielding psychopath would be empathy, 304 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: and uh, I hope he's okay. But as we know, 305 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: in politics, it's usually some way to spin it um, 306 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: and we're seeing spin happening on on both the Republican 307 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: and the Democrats side. Uh. The gentleman in question is 308 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi's husband. Nancy Pelosi, a very prominent left wing lawmaker, 309 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: uh Speaker of the House. Her husband was at home 310 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: asleep in the middle of the night at their San 311 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: Francisco A state when a person allegedly broken by smashing 312 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: a glass sliding door like a like French door kind 313 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: of situation. Apparently Mr Pelosi was awakened with this gentleman 314 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: sort of like lurking over him, which is terrifying. Yeah, 315 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: where's Nancy, Where's Nancy. Where's Nancy? Repeatedly the gentleman in 316 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: question U, Mr Pelosi. By the way, it's eighty two 317 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: years old. The attacker in question is a person by 318 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: the name of David de Pop de Papa d E 319 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: p a p forty two years old belief of Oakland, California, which, 320 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: if you're familiar with the Bay Areas, not but a 321 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: hop skipper to jump away from San Francisco. UM, and 322 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: was apparently there, as evidenced by the comments that you 323 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: you referenced ben Um to find Nancy Pelosi. It was 324 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: of you know, very powerful Democrat. And it's interesting considering 325 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: this person is from the Bay Area and you kind 326 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: of consider, you know, that part of the country to 327 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: be almost exclusively liberal. UM. Definitely, No, that's not the case. 328 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: There's always going to be outliers, and this person seems 329 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: to be an extreme outlier. UM. And that he was 330 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: armed with a hammer and had plans it would seem 331 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: to kidnap Nancy Pelosi or at the very least hold 332 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: her and her husband hosta. UM. There is some talk 333 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: whether it's from I believe interviews with the subject where 334 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: he claimed that he wasn't going to assassinate her. He 335 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: just wanted to get information from her, you know what 336 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: he I guess would believe to be secret information and 337 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: was just gonna smash her kneecaps because he doesn't do email. No, no, 338 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: he doesn't. He doesn't do email. He doesn't write his 339 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: his representative. UM. And you know, again, this is an 340 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: instance in a spate of politically motivated attacks and and 341 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: and violence, acts of violence that we've been seeing kind 342 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: of an uptick on. There was that guy that like 343 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: I think, broke into an FBI field office and shot 344 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 1: up the place. Uh, there's just quite a few examples 345 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: of this. It's just another UM in what has become 346 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 1: a pretty troubling trend. And most Republican lawmakers and and uh, 347 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,719 Speaker 1: you know, higher ups have condemned the attack because you know, 348 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: they're all in the same game. They're all you know, essentially, 349 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: they're public figures, and an attack on one of them 350 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: is potentially an attackle on all of them. You know. 351 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: It just goes to show the vulnerability of people in 352 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: that position. UM when there are divisive issues at play, 353 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: UM And you know, and people have very strong opinions 354 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: not to mention the climate we're living in of politicians, 355 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: just kind of saying whatever, Um, not really backed up 356 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: with facts. Uh. And folks can be radicalized very quickly. 357 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: You know, this is seems to be a person that 358 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: was radicalized by Q and on type conspiracies. Um. And 359 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: I believe they interviewed a close associate of this person, 360 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: Mr de Papa, Uh, saying you know, God help you 361 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: if he started talking about politics, that he had just 362 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: really kind of gone down that that rabbit hole of 363 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: of paranoia. And um, you know the story would end there, 364 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: you know, if if it didn't end there, which it doesn't, 365 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: because it has become very quickly a source of conspiracy theory. Um. 366 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: I think there was a and and and it was 367 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: fit's been fed. It's being fed by some also very 368 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: influential and divisive people. First and foremost is a little 369 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: fellow by the name of Elon Musk. You might have 370 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: heard of him. Um. He has a hundred and twelve 371 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: million Twitter followers. And in response to something Hillary Clinton tweeted, 372 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: which I tend to imagine with some sort of empathetic 373 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: I hope he's okay. My thoughts are with the family situation, 374 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: he linked out to a website called s m Observed 375 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: dot com, the headline being the awful truth Paul Pelosi 376 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: was drunk again and in a dispute with uh It's 377 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: cut off on this Twitter post, But but the gist 378 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: of it is with a lover that this this the 379 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: accusation is that this man, Mr Dpop was actually missing 380 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: in a relationship of some sort um a sexual relationship 381 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: with with Paul Pelosi, and that this was an escalation 382 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: of some sort of drunken quarrel that they at. And 383 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: there are claims in this article that the window or 384 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: the door rather was not broken from the outside, it 385 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: was broken from the inside. That's what I heard Donald 386 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: Trump saying. Repeated that Donald Trump in a in an interview, 387 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: and it was definitely in the spirit of you know, 388 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: you hear the same things I hear. This is what 389 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 1: I heard. But I didn't see a lot of analysis 390 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: from Musk nor Trump regarding those claims. There isn't And 391 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,719 Speaker 1: he literally said, what you just said, Ben, you hear 392 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: the same things I do. Um said I I heard 393 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: it wasn't a break in, but a breakout. And again 394 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: this is an, you know, an attempt to demonize Mr Pelosi, 395 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: who I believe has had some public you know issues 396 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: in terms of with drinking and things like that. But 397 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: that that's just not what's going on here, that's not 398 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: at play, and this is just a way of like 399 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: hijacking the conversation and turning it into like a nasty 400 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: kind of mud slinging, uh situation. So Elon Musk tweets 401 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: a link to this article makes all these claims. The 402 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: website that he tweeted the link to is notorious for 403 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: spreading misinformation, for posting unfounded accusations and things kind of 404 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: you know, masquerading as as as fact um. And so 405 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: then of course Elon Musk is getting yelled at by 406 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: the Internet rightfully, so in my opinion for just casually, 407 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, saying I think there's something more at play 408 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: here or maybe you know again, responded Hillary Clinton. And 409 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: then Marjorie Taylor Green comes to Elon Musk's defense and saying, uh, 410 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green being a very divisive and inflammatory figure 411 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: in the Republican Party. Uh. From her Twitter. The same 412 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: mainstream media Democrat activists that sold conspiracy theories for years 413 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: about President Trump and Russia are now blaming Elon Musk 414 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: for quote internet misinformation about Paul Pelosi's friend attacking him 415 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: with a hammer. The media is source of misinformation and 416 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,239 Speaker 1: again saying these things as as fact. There there are 417 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: no you know, from the reports you know of of 418 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: law enforcement and investigation. You know, there's no evidence of 419 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: any of this being the case. And these these men 420 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: knew each other, you know, again, in a state of terror, 421 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: I imagine, Um, Paul Pelosi was able to excuse himself 422 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: and use the restroom or you know for a second. 423 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: He called the police and kept the phone on, which 424 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: is what you're supposed to do, and the uh, the 425 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: dispatcher was able to kind of figure out what was 426 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: going on and sent somebody out. Um. And the people 427 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: that came out the police actually witnessed apparently, UM, Mr 428 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: Japap cracking Pelosi in the head with this hammer. Um, 429 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: he has a skull fracture. He's still in you know, 430 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: serious condition. You know, I believe in in an ic 431 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: U type situation. He may may have changed, but he's 432 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, he's he's an eighty something year old man. 433 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: Eighty two is just eighty two year old man. He's 434 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: just been hit in the head with a blunt instrument. Um, 435 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: and it's essentially being used as a talking point by 436 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: folks like Marjorie Taylor Green and and sort of like 437 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: a very in bad taste sort of joke among certain 438 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: members of the Republican Party. Question, Yeah, question so with 439 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: um with folks who are prompting this, I guess um 440 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: are touting this alternative narrative, this sort of fan fick 441 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: about what happened to an elderly man. How do they 442 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: how do they explain the reports from the officer's side 443 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: about the other stuff was found with, like not just 444 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: the the hammer, but the the tape, the other hammer, 445 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: the gloves, the zip ties, Like is that do they 446 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: say that was planted evidence? Or do they address that 447 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 1: there is a certain um sentiment that this is some 448 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: sort of false flag situation. Um, you know, again, a 449 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: lot of these things are just said in little offhand moments, 450 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: you know. Representative Clay Higgins of Louisiana tweeted and then 451 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: deleted a post on Sunday that pushed another conspiracy kind 452 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: of mocking the attack, and then Representative Claudia Tenney from 453 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: New York retweeted a picture of several men carrying hammers 454 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: outside of a home with a United Against Hate sign 455 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: and a gay pride flag. UM. So it's just very strange. 456 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: And the fact that it isn't just you know, pure 457 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: empathy coming across the board. I mean, Mitch McConnell, you know, 458 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: has condemned the attacks, but he also hasn't condemned his 459 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: colleagues for saying these things. So it's kind of one 460 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: of those things where it's like, oh, I can't help 461 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: with people say, um, it's it's rough man, you know, Uh, 462 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: let's see. So in a Dear Colleague letter, UM, two 463 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: members of Congress, Pelosi wrote that a quote a violent 464 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: man broke into our family home, demanded to confront me, 465 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: and brutally attacked my husband, Paul, our our till Green, 466 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: our grandchildren, and I are heartbroken and traumatized by the 467 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: life threatening attack on our pop. Which is cute, um. 468 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: And the political stuff aside. You know, I'm not a 469 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: huge fan of Nancy Pelosi personally at all, but it's 470 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, this is this is outrageous. And and the 471 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: fact that um, someone was home invaded, uh, menaced, traumatized, 472 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: and then actually physically attacked. I just don't think there's 473 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: any room for little jokeys about that. It doesn't seem 474 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: right to me. We're in that position where we're we're 475 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: all pretty vulnerable, um, some of us much more than 476 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: others to believing this kind of thing because there's such 477 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: a distrust in police in general right now. And it 478 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: was a massive generalization, but it's just true. It's at 479 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: least increased quite a bit since you know, what, what 480 00:29:54,760 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: do you think, guys? I mean, the longer you're right, 481 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: you're right? Yeah, I would say September twelve, two thousand 482 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: and one, if I'm being absolutely being honest in government 483 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: to right. So any government institution and an official statement 484 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: coming out of that government institution about something that is 485 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: purposefully closed off to the public, right the details about 486 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: it are closed off because it's either classified or it's 487 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: part of an investigation. Anytime we're in that situation now, 488 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: the rumor mill is just gonna start churning, and and 489 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't stop churning. And if there's one bad faith 490 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: actor out there, or maybe a handful that want to 491 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: stir the pot or get some clicks, they can get 492 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: that engine started, and uh, it just proliferates. Well, yeah, 493 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: I would agree. I'd also add this is a very 494 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: important point that this kind of propaganda disguised as hot takes. 495 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: It is meant for a specific audience. They're not writing 496 00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: these things to look to convert people, right, um, what 497 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: what's happening and the reason they say propaganda In this 498 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: case propaganda isn't always untrue, but there demonstrably easily disproven 499 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: claims in some of these, uh we want to call 500 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: them theories. You have to remember if it sounds crazy 501 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: to you, you're not the intended audience here. This is 502 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: a lot like um as screwed up an American as 503 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: it is to sound this, this spectacle, this bread and 504 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: circuses take on this kind of thing. It is dehumanizing, 505 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: but it should be treated with the same level of 506 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: serious regard that you treat the trash talking by the 507 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: macho man Randy Savage or the Undertaker right before they 508 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: do a fake wrestling match. Sorry, Cafe, the secret is out, 509 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: but that like the reason I'm pointing this out is 510 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: because you know it's again, it's easy to dismiss people 511 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: who might fall for this stuff, might follow it the 512 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: way de Pepe did himself. You know, for two year 513 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: old guy who is other other than online streets, not 514 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: much as known about this individual at this time. UH, 515 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: exercising empathy to you're earlier pointnal is paramount, you know, 516 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: it's it's so crucial, but it's in very short supply 517 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: these days. And the last one just is the one. 518 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: This one is just so gross. Um. Trump's eldest son 519 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: retweeted a picture depicting a hammer on top of a 520 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: pair of underwear with the message, got my Paul Pelosi 521 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: Halloween costume ready. So it's like, I mean, this is 522 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: whatever your political affiliation or ideology is, this is folks 523 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: actively mocking a an octogenarian who has been attacked and 524 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: and uh and brutalized. And I just don't think there's 525 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: any room for that. So um yeah, let's take a 526 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: pause here and I'll hear a word from our sponsor, 527 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: and then we'll be back with one more piece of 528 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: strange news. So we are ending on a to be 529 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: continued piece of strange news. This is what I would 530 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: like to call it. UH. Eyes on a lot of 531 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: stories in the course of making this show, and as always, 532 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: it can be difficult to find just a few things 533 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: to focus on for the weekly strange News segment. Let's 534 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: introduce UH, Let's introduce everyone to someone you may not 535 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: have heard of fellow conspiracy realists, but you have probably 536 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: seen his work at some point. His name James Gordon Meek. 537 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: He's in his early fifties now. For a long time, 538 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: he's a lauded American journalist, writer, narrator, producer. He did 539 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: stuff like a documentary film in one called thirty twelve unredacted, 540 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: nominated for an Emmy. It was about the Green Berets 541 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: in Niger and part of the Tongo Tongo ambush. When 542 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: you can look up, but you will sports certainly it 543 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: certainly will not find reported in depth in your local 544 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: US based news sources. In two thousand and six, he 545 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: reported on an al Qaeda plot to deploy some bombs 546 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: at the Hudson River. This guy's legit is what I'm saying. 547 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: He's got his stripes. Uh. He even was a counter 548 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: terrorism advisor and investigator for the U. S. House Committee 549 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 1: on Homeland Security. He looked into the Boston Marathon bombing. 550 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: He was about that life, uh, and he may not 551 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: be about that life for long. The story here starts 552 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: in October. Late October, his home was unexpectedly rated by 553 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: the FBI, unexpected to his friends, and his colleagues. So 554 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: this is us walking up to the rabbit hole. The 555 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: guy's legit. His reporting focuses on geopolitical stuff, encounter terrorism, 556 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 1: so often it's going to be considered a political even 557 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: in these divisive times. He um not everybody in ABC 558 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: was his friends, but you know you you can find 559 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: in the sexcellent Rolling Stone article how he's described as 560 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 1: something of a military fanboy. Shout out to Tatiana Seagull, 561 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: who wrote this original article. And he was seemingly like 562 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 1: at the prime of his life. He had a book 563 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: coming out on the military's withdrawal from Afghanistan, and he 564 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: was in He was living in this apartment in Arlington, Virginia. 565 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: Pretty nice place, right, He's got the top floor just 566 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: to paint the picture. Uh. And then when the FBI 567 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 1: raids him, suddenly things get even weirder. More news comes 568 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: out he is the raid happens with unmarked cars, right, 569 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: so not necessarily desiring to make a scene. You see 570 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: this in a lot of true crime fiction, and it's 571 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: actually not too off base. Sometimes police will want to 572 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: make a public display, do a perp walk for the cameras, right, 573 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: we got the bad guy. Sometimes FBI will want to 574 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 1: come in and have more of an established presence, your 575 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: tax dollars at work saving the world. This was not 576 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: that case. Except for local police. Mostly cars were unmarked 577 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: and the raid get this ten minutes stem distern. The 578 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: raid was ten minutes long just for electronics. Maybe that's it. Yeah, 579 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: just maybe looking for one thing. Maybe they're part of 580 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: the meat conspiracy and they were like the ham is 581 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: in a different state, but checked down here. He's got 582 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: a deep freezer, which is weird for an apartment and uh, 583 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: and refrigerator that ten that's m hmm. Ten minutes implies. 584 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: That means they know what they're going for. They got 585 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: like it implies either this isn't the whole story, or 586 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: they knew exactly what they were looking for in this 587 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: case for someone who does military, counter terrorism and war journalism, 588 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: sounds a lot like he was playing fast and loose 589 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: with something classified. Right, that's a reasonable assumption at this time. Okay, 590 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 1: until we know, until we know more about this. Uh. 591 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 1: Part of the reason that this raid was only ten 592 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: minutes long was that his residence was apparently empty and 593 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: had been for months. Also, he unexpectedly, out of the blue, 594 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: resigned from ABC months before this rate occurred, and he 595 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: went to ground curious or and curious or you know, 596 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: curious air and curious or whatever accent you prefer. But 597 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: that's that's nuts, right, So he it appears that he 598 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: knew something was coming. Wait, wait, been really quickly just 599 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,919 Speaker 1: a bullet point the order here? Did he resign, move 600 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: out and then get rated or what was the order 601 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: of operations? The resign? Okay, so upcoming book on Afghanistan? Right, 602 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: lots of reporting behind behind him. He's got a hell 603 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: of a career and it seems like he's in the 604 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: cowbird seat. Unexpectedly resigns to uh, and then ghost becomes 605 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: a ghost. Three FBI raid ten minutes four. Oh. By 606 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: the way, his apartments really do a little digging. It's 607 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 1: like it's pretty upscale. If you were not familiar with Arlington, Virginia, 608 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 1: it's not the poor part of Virginia. So so he's, uh, 609 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: the Sienna Park apartments, right, that's our order of operations. 610 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: Solid dude, or at least solid professional. Unexpectedly hands in 611 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: his papers. Then there's this very weird, very short raid. Uh. 612 00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: The FBI's official statement was that this had occurred on 613 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: April quote at the block of Columbia Pike, Arlington, Virginia, 614 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: conducting court authorized law enforcement activity. The FBI cannot comment 615 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: further due to an ongoing investigation, and this is still 616 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: the official statement. The guy has not been charged with 617 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: a crime. Uh. This is quite likely the first raid 618 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 1: to be carried out on a journalist under the administration 619 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 1: of President Biden. Uh. This the search warrant was signed 620 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:39,879 Speaker 1: off the day before the raid, and no one had 621 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: seen the guy since, so this led. Honestly, I was 622 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 1: I think I group texted you guys about this. I 623 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: was reading about this from the day it popped up 624 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: on my radar. And with a fog war that happens 625 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: in these kind of things, you know, you have to 626 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: understand one of the big, big red flags, one of 627 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: the first canaries to die in a coal mine of 628 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: fascism is always going to be harassment and arrest of journalists. 629 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: It is a consistent pattern that has never not happened 630 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: when a when a nation state is collapsing. So this, 631 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: as you can understand, fellow conspiracy realist, is very concerning 632 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: to people like us who follow these trends. So of 633 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,760 Speaker 1: course everybody is starting to think this guy got black bagged? 634 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,399 Speaker 1: What was he building in there? What was he working on? Uh? 635 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 1: And other than the upcoming book, nobody really knew. And 636 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: this is something interesting because let me ask before you 637 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 1: get to twist, would it be reasonable to assume that, 638 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 1: given his experience in journalistic acumen, this guy would have 639 00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: known it at least enough ops set two of breaking 640 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: the law? Like, wouldn't he have been able to have 641 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: some journalistic protections in places? I think journalists of this 642 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: kind that's why hardened and investigative journalists know they're going 643 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: to be breaking some kind of federal law at some 644 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 1: point in an investigation, maybe, right, like having being in 645 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 1: possession of a classified document that you're not supposed to be, 646 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: that you're not supposed to have. But well, just what 647 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: you said, Ben, if you work for an organization, a 648 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: big one like ABC, you know there's a huge team 649 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: of corporate lawyers behind you if you do get caught 650 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: with that information, right, or the classified stuff that you're 651 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: not supposed to have as a part of doing your 652 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: job and telling a story about it. Because often a 653 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: journalist like this isn't going to release a full document 654 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: or something, right, There's gonna be steps taken much like 655 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: The Guardian has done in the past, Like other major 656 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 1: outlets have done in the past, Stuff's been redacted to 657 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: protect the government, even though the outlet is revealing things 658 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,319 Speaker 1: about that government. Right, That's often what occurs. Um. I 659 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,959 Speaker 1: feel like this guy would have known he was protected. Well, 660 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: that's the thing, Matt, because just last year a new 661 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: policy went into place, which is supposed to look it's 662 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: not just us on the show saying that harassment entertainment 663 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: and you know, vivisection of journalists is a sign of trouble. 664 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: Shout out to kashag. Other people know this too, and 665 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: people in the halls of government. So there's a new 666 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 1: policy that came out in that prohibits federal prosecutors from 667 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 1: seizing journalists documents in less the Deputy Attorney General approves. 668 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 1: The Deputy Attorney General now is Lisa Monaco. So if 669 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 1: the raid was for this guy's records, the Deputy a 670 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: g would have had to say something. And so far, 671 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: no one, no one's speaking about a case. No one's 672 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: saying this guy was charged with this thing. And the 673 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: folks you worked with at ABC are also investigative journalists, 674 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,399 Speaker 1: to your point, and they they had a quote where 675 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,399 Speaker 1: they said, uh. Collectively they said, uh, he fell off 676 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,360 Speaker 1: the earth. He fell off the face of the earth. 677 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: Everybody asked, No one knows what happened to him. He 678 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 1: resigned very abruptly. He hasn't worked for us for months. Uh, 679 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 1: and that's specifically Kim Godwin. Uh. The network put out 680 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: this statement saying that he resigned for what he said 681 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: was personal reasons, and they refused to comment or report 682 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:41,080 Speaker 1: on speculation. So if you are not plugged in right, 683 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,799 Speaker 1: if you're not part of the FBI, or you're not 684 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,279 Speaker 1: deputy A, g. Etcetera, or you're not Meek himself, then 685 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 1: this looks a lot like a journalist getting disappeared spooky 686 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,400 Speaker 1: spooky stuff just in time for Halloween. But there is 687 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,880 Speaker 1: fortunately a twist kind yeah, kind of well another twist, 688 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah. The uh s a four out of 689 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: four out of So this happened just yesterday as national 690 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: November Novel Writing Month begins. Uh. Ben Ashford, a journalist 691 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,279 Speaker 1: in Virginia writing for of all Things, No Offense, The 692 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: Daily Mail, which doesn't have the best reputation as the source, 693 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:37,760 Speaker 1: broke the news. James Gordon Meek, after being a ghost 694 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: for six months, more than days has been found. He 695 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,879 Speaker 1: is at his or he was, He's probably not there now, 696 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: to be honest with you. He was at his mother's 697 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: town house in McLean, Virginia. He refused to answer any questions, 698 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: including the reports that agents may have found some sort 699 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: of lap top associated with him that contained classified info. 700 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: His colleagues have said that if he had any classified stuff, 701 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: any sensitive materials you could call them, it would have 702 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 1: been for a story he was working on. Right. They're 703 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,359 Speaker 1: they're essentially in a roundabout way. They're saying, we don't 704 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 1: think he's a spy, you know what I mean? Uh? 705 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,240 Speaker 1: And spying is again finally being a publicly acknowledged problem 706 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,719 Speaker 1: here in the US. Uh. The thing is that he 707 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: was another little nugget of information. He was supposed to 708 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 1: get an award for his coverage of the withdrawal from Afghanistan, 709 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: but he ducked out of the ceremony back a few 710 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: months ago in May. And he if you look at 711 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,799 Speaker 1: the pictures here, you can you can see him. Now. 712 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: If you look at this article here from Daily Mail, 713 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:58,320 Speaker 1: then you will see that he's definitely alive. It's definitely him. Uh. 714 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 1: He just I don't know. You could call it over 715 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:06,320 Speaker 1: reporting because the article describes what he looks like, describes 716 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,759 Speaker 1: some background, but really all you see is a guy 717 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,840 Speaker 1: who looks in pretty good shape for early fifties getting 718 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 1: into an suv several blocks away of his own accord. 719 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: Do we know how tall this guy is? He looks like, yeah, 720 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 1: he's very yes he is, it's all. He's very departly 721 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 1: dressed to he's wearing a very cool scarf situation. He 722 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:36,320 Speaker 1: kind of looks like Charlie Sheen, Yeah a little bit. Yeah, yeah, 723 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's a breaking bad vacuum cleaner repairman situation. 724 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: But then he that scarfed, by the way I believe 725 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 1: is called cafe. Yes, that's right. Yeah, so he Uh, 726 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 1: you'll see it. Actually, you'll see a lot of war 727 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: journalists to wear those. Um yeah, I don't. I don't 728 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 1: think so, because this guy is smart enough that he 729 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 1: would have avoided any kind of visibility right like that. 730 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,239 Speaker 1: You know, he probably wouldn't have gone to ground at 731 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,319 Speaker 1: his mom's house if it was a serious need to 732 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,799 Speaker 1: disappear situation. Uh, Like our friend Elizabeth Greenwood points out 733 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,480 Speaker 1: in um Playing Dead, one of the best works on 734 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,239 Speaker 1: faking one's death or suicide. If someone's not sloppy about disappearing, 735 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: there are gonna be two reasons they get caught. One 736 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 1: is trying to get money from like an insurance thing 737 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,440 Speaker 1: or some sort of other account they want to touch. 738 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: And the second is staying in touch with anyone literally, 739 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: anyone from their past life. So he would be smart enough. 740 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,560 Speaker 1: We can assume not to play that particular reindeer game. 741 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,719 Speaker 1: But as of now the story is developing, it does 742 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,840 Speaker 1: seem that James Gordon Meek is alive. What was the 743 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:53,319 Speaker 1: FBI's beef with him? Unknown? What is going to come 744 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,720 Speaker 1: of this unknown, unless, of course, you want to help 745 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,280 Speaker 1: us out. Fellow conspiracy realists. Want your thoughts on who's 746 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 1: behind the Great meat Heist. We want your ideas about 747 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,759 Speaker 1: the weaponization of crimes against the elderly. We would also 748 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,040 Speaker 1: if your game, I love to hear your take on 749 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 1: what the hell is going on with the FBI and 750 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 1: James Gordon Meek. We try to be easy to find online. Yeah, 751 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,040 Speaker 1: I think we succeed mostly. You can find us on Facebook, 752 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,040 Speaker 1: on YouTube, and on Twitter at the Handlo Conspiracy Stuff. 753 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 1: On Instagram, we are Conspiracy Stuff Show. We also have 754 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,879 Speaker 1: a phone number. You can call one eight three three 755 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 1: std w y t K. It's a voicemail system. Leave 756 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,600 Speaker 1: a code name if you will. 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