Speaker 1: It's eight pm in Silver Lake, California, and you're listening
Speaker 1: to Night Call, Hello and welcome Tonight Call, a podcast
Speaker 1: for your strange days and lonely nights. I am Tess
Speaker 1: Lynch in Los Angeles with Molly Lambert, and over in
Speaker 1: New York, we have, as always Emily Yoshina. Hello, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 1: So we have a corrections department issue to address, I
Speaker 1: think right up top crypti corrections. We've been talking a
Speaker 1: lot about cryptids and cryptid songs, and particularly the song
Speaker 1: Purple People Leader. Uh. Turns out we miscategorized the Purple
Speaker 1: People Leader, which is in fact not a crypt did
Speaker 1: but an alien. Um. Does anybody want to to discuss
Speaker 1: the difference between those two because I feel like that's
Speaker 1: another foggy one for me. Could they not be both?
Speaker 1: I thought Molly brought this correction to our attention, but
Speaker 1: I figured that a cryptid has to be an earthly beast.
Speaker 1: It is something that evolved on Earth that just like
Speaker 1: humans don't know about. Maybe right, yeah, it's like an
Speaker 1: Earth alien, a thing that we think exists but we
Speaker 1: don't know if it does or not. Is the Earth
Speaker 1: angel an alien? Yeah? Cryptic? Although the cryptic can't be
Speaker 1: a human, so I'm assuming the Earth Angel is a human.
Speaker 1: And then we were kind of looking through there's a
Speaker 1: there's an list on the All of a r I
Speaker 1: p The All I miss every day. I feel like
Speaker 1: The All and Gawker, both sites that don't really exist anymore,
Speaker 1: have a ton of really good like stay lists like this.
Speaker 1: I remember that Cocker did one that was like every
Speaker 1: good sandwich in every state, and they had voted and
Speaker 1: agreed on, you know, the definitive sandwich of every state.
Speaker 1: But the All has this one of the definitive secret
Speaker 1: scary monster of every state. Yeah, I just want to
Speaker 1: clarify that. Well, I don't like fictional maps. A real
Speaker 1: sandwich map is cool as long as the sandwich is
Speaker 1: the focal point of the like a monster map like fiction.
Speaker 1: It's not a fictional map. It's grounded in reality. If
Speaker 1: it was like fake facts, I would hate that. Well,
Speaker 1: I have to say that on this list, um some
Speaker 1: of the more interesting, I mean, they're all really interesting,
Speaker 1: spooky scary monsters, but the kush Taka of a law
Speaker 1: and it's aware otter um. There's also the Mogollon monster.
Speaker 1: I'm probably saying all of these wrong of Arizona, which
Speaker 1: is a stinky big foot. There are a lot of
Speaker 1: stinky big foots out there, and I think California's is
Speaker 1: the space brain, which is a I guess illuminated brain
Speaker 1: that has no body around it and has eyes. Someone
Speaker 1: spotted them on on the highway. Maybe the space brain.
Speaker 1: The Michigan dog man Um, which is a man's body
Speaker 1: and a dog's head. Also a Dave Pilky series of
Speaker 1: children's books that is very popular with kids called dog
Speaker 1: man Um maybe based on that. And New Mexico Spring
Speaker 1: Heeled Jack, which looks the all says, looks like something
Speaker 1: in between Satan and Batman. Is that what Jumping Jack
Speaker 1: flashes about? I don't know. I've always wondered what that
Speaker 1: song is about. I don't really want to know. I
Speaker 1: like how it means monster in here is just coujo, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's just a dog. It's just a big dog. There
Speaker 1: are some classics. There are a couple of classics. There
Speaker 1: are a couple of um ones from the same squawk
Speaker 1: Uh anthology that I told you guys about last week
Speaker 1: or the week before. Um a few of them, you know,
Speaker 1: hail from there. But I think every state has a
Speaker 1: few cryptids and these are just kind of hand chosen
Speaker 1: like best cryptids. Well, if you have a favorite cryptid
Speaker 1: in your state that is not mentioned on this list,
Speaker 1: or one that you think deserves special recognition, give us
Speaker 1: a night call at one two four oh four six night.
Speaker 1: We'd love to hear all about it. Always down to
Speaker 1: here about new cryptids. Also, if you've just seen a
Speaker 1: weird creature that you think may have been encrypted, please
Speaker 1: let us know. Um. I look at The Apologies, one
Speaker 1: of our favorite podcast night call adjacent podcast Apologies. They
Speaker 1: have a Facebook group where people are always trying to
Speaker 1: identify like different bugs and stuff. Uh and I saw
Speaker 1: a ladybug larva on there today and realized I had
Speaker 1: seen them in the wild myself. But they are like
Speaker 1: the creepiest looking larva. They're like, I've seen a ladybug larva.
Speaker 1: What it looks. It's like a black and yellow, weavilish
Speaker 1: looking thing that has like kind of little spiky is
Speaker 1: coming out of it. Thinking about larva, I love thinking
Speaker 1: about larva. Davy bugs alo juice with the larva. It's
Speaker 1: one of those um words that really sounds like what
Speaker 1: it means, Yes, exactly, also larval larval. Oh, it's cute.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like it would take a little
Speaker 1: dangerous to me. Maybe lady bugs are good. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: love ladybugs. And the larva apparently eat a fid, so
Speaker 1: if you see the larva around, that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: But I always was like those bugs. I don't like
Speaker 1: those bugs, But now I'm coming around. I don't like
Speaker 1: their looks though, I'll be honest with you about that.
Speaker 1: They're they're they're definitely scarier looking. What if bugs are aliens?
Speaker 1: What if? I mean? I thought we agreed Octopus octopier
Speaker 1: our aliens, so why not incidentally wound up on Earth? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I read a few very debunked theory that there's people
Speaker 1: who believe that, like all all diseases come from space.
Speaker 1: Really don't let the antibactions hear about this, Like the
Speaker 1: common cold came from a moon rock. Yeah, that's how
Speaker 1: it exists. Hey, speaking of the moon, Yes, let's let's
Speaker 1: have another moon minute. Um. Molly found an article explaining
Speaker 1: that the moon is shrinking, which is bad news. Right,
Speaker 1: Not only is the moon shrinking, you're germs, though, I
Speaker 1: guess that's true. If true, not only the Moon shrinking.
Speaker 1: The Moon is shrinking, and that is causing moonquakes. Isn't
Speaker 1: it weird that we can't see the Moon having an earthquake?
Speaker 1: Do you think if you just stared at it long
Speaker 1: enough with a telescope, you could witness a moonquake. You
Speaker 1: can barely see an earthquake unless it's a big magnitude
Speaker 1: one on Earth, like unless it was one that caused
Speaker 1: massive geological restructuring. But I guess that these are aren't
Speaker 1: they it's causing like debris. I mean, you think that
Speaker 1: the craters would like kind of implode, and that if
Speaker 1: you had a good enough telescope you might be able
Speaker 1: to peep a moon quake. The subheading here ongoing shrinkage.
Speaker 1: So why is it? Is it just shrinking because of gray?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a science guess. I don't know. We
Speaker 1: would have tectonic plates, like, oh yeah, so it doesn't
Speaker 1: have a molten core, it has fault lines. Here's what
Speaker 1: it says. It says this is definitely They found out
Speaker 1: that this is definitely happening because the Moon is shrinking,
Speaker 1: not from asteroid impact or activity deep inside the moon.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like they are even trying to address
Speaker 1: why the moon is shrinking. Clickbait, clickbait from what why
Speaker 1: I did you guys enjoy the most recent full moon. No,
Speaker 1: because you couldn't see it here. I mean I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: You can see it the night before. It's been a
Speaker 1: very misty and weird weather. It was raining, so I
Speaker 1: enjoyed that as much as I would have enjoyed the
Speaker 1: full moon. I don't give this rain a good rating.
Speaker 1: It was too I didn't feel like it was purposeful enough.
Speaker 1: It was a little too misty. I've been getting these
Speaker 1: terrible headaches from the barometric pressure out here because it
Speaker 1: keeps like the humidity will increase and increase, and I
Speaker 1: think the pressure falls and it's it would be relieved
Speaker 1: by like a big raina monkey pod. And then I
Speaker 1: was like, I just wanted more. It needed to be amplified.
Speaker 1: It's unusual. It is um. In other moon news, you guys,
Speaker 1: we are now all aware that Posh Spice has been
Speaker 1: drinking full moon water, which is water that has been
Speaker 1: charged um under a full moon. Obviously, you can make
Speaker 1: your own. You can also buy it on Etsy for
Speaker 1: it ranges. There's a big range in price for the
Speaker 1: moon water. Do you think that star fire water also
Speaker 1: charges the water under the moon or do you think
Speaker 1: these are two completely different, separate water theories. I think
Speaker 1: they're separate cosmological, separate water, cosmology, separate water cold. One
Speaker 1: is star bast and the other what is star fire
Speaker 1: water starfir And they sell it that one talked about
Speaker 1: it earlier, the one that you yeah, yeah, I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: um wait, how much does the how much is the
Speaker 1: moon water or full moon water rather? I'm sure whatever
Speaker 1: posh strength. The posh spice website was, I believe in German,
Speaker 1: so I just read recaps of it, But then I
Speaker 1: went to Etsy to be like full moon water. Should
Speaker 1: I be selling full moon water? And should be our
Speaker 1: full Alex Jones. I don't think I could in good
Speaker 1: conscience self full moon water. Also, it has what if
Speaker 1: we all like spitting it, Molly, we have a full
Speaker 1: separate Patreon for people who want water with our spitting
Speaker 1: it and for muk bang videos and even just saying
Speaker 1: those thing and the spit water together, I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: that's our regular patreons is well, don't tell them that's
Speaker 1: what's coming down the pipeline. They're going to be sell
Speaker 1: you the Pullman water if you want it, will take
Speaker 1: a poll. Um. Well, she also well, she also is
Speaker 1: saying during her week long detox, she also listened to
Speaker 1: true crime podcasts. So do you do that during a
Speaker 1: d talk like a detox and true crime that's unwind
Speaker 1: from being a footballer's wife. A footballer's wife. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Listening to like a true crime podcast makes me feel
Speaker 1: worse than like eating a burger or whatever you might
Speaker 1: be cleansing yourself from. I don't know what. It's the
Speaker 1: guilty pleasure as long as you're not on a detox.
Speaker 1: I think it's great to listen to true crime. But
Speaker 1: if you're on a detox, that should be detoxed from you. Well,
Speaker 1: what if the true crime stories in fact fictional and
Speaker 1: about a fictional conspiracy. Maybe we should talk about that
Speaker 1: after we plug our book club right well, speaking of
Speaker 1: our Patreon and ore and all the weird kinky ship
Speaker 1: we have going on there doing a book club, motherfucker's
Speaker 1: Actually we are reading like one of the most erotic
Speaker 1: odyssees of all time, kind of an erotic odyssey. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We we just announced our first ever book club pick,
Speaker 1: which is going to be value of the dolls. We
Speaker 1: are very excited about it. I've never read it, so
Speaker 1: I'm super excited about that. How have you never read it? Emily?
Speaker 1: It blew my mind. I'm so excited. I'm gonna admit
Speaker 1: I've only skim read it at a bookstore. What I see?
Speaker 1: Do you guys that already read it? I think maybe
Speaker 1: you read me the dirty parts on the phone. That
Speaker 1: was definitely I never maybe read the whole thing in context. Well,
Speaker 1: this will be a new journey in a new journey
Speaker 1: for one and a half of us. Uh. So we're
Speaker 1: very excited about it. We're excited to share it with
Speaker 1: you guys. We are going to be doing are dropping
Speaker 1: our first ever Patreon book club podcast for subscribers at
Speaker 1: the five dollar level and above um on June, so
Speaker 1: you have until then to get caught up and check
Speaker 1: out the book. And also if you subscribe at that level,
Speaker 1: you can get a fiftent discount on the book at
Speaker 1: from our friends at Skylight Books in Los Angeles, but
Speaker 1: they'll ship it anywhere, and you can also just get
Speaker 1: it at your local library or somewhere chill like that.
Speaker 1: We love libraries. Audio books probably an audio book. Yeah sure.
Speaker 1: I'm also gonna say if you want to be like
Speaker 1: Georgia Stanza and just watch the movie and listen to
Speaker 1: the episodes, that's okay too, as long as you subscribe
Speaker 1: to our Patreon exactly and before that episode drops. If
Speaker 1: you're reading the book and have any fun thoughts or
Speaker 1: feedback about it, that yeah, we might want to bring
Speaker 1: up on the show. Give us a night call or
Speaker 1: a night email and let us know your thoughts about
Speaker 1: the books. We can include it in the show. I'm
Speaker 1: very excited to talk about the nearly three hour long
Speaker 1: movie that Emily made us a watch, and apparently I
Speaker 1: am the only one who enjoyed. I kind I have
Speaker 1: no idea how I feel about this movie. UM. I
Speaker 1: wanted to like foisted upon you guys so I could
Speaker 1: get your thoughts on it. UM. I saw the film
Speaker 1: we're discussing today Under the Silver Lake at cann just
Speaker 1: about a year ago, because can's going on now? It
Speaker 1: was it wasn't quite booed there, but it was like
Speaker 1: there were just like snickers of derision from all the
Speaker 1: French journalists there, and it was sort of perceived as
Speaker 1: a flop out of the festival. And I was like,
Speaker 1: and we had already started the podcast by then, and
Speaker 1: I was like, there's maybe never been a film this
Speaker 1: night call it Can before, But also like I can't
Speaker 1: tell if I love it or hate it. But that's
Speaker 1: the problem. That's why I liked it, because the whole
Speaker 1: time I was like, what, I don't know how I
Speaker 1: feel about this movie at all. And I read that
Speaker 1: because of the very divided reaction it can that it
Speaker 1: was you know, the release was delayed. There was a
Speaker 1: rumor that it was being re edited. But then I
Speaker 1: think that those rumors were false. Um, but yeah, Under
Speaker 1: the Silver Lake was written, produced, and directed by David
Speaker 1: Robert Mitchell, who did It follows, um, which I loved.
Speaker 1: I think we all like, this is the definition of
Speaker 1: a blank check movie. Though, to use a term from
Speaker 1: our our buddies at blank Check, it follows was such
Speaker 1: a excess and such a you know, such a breakout hit.
Speaker 1: And if David Robert Mitchell ever gets a deep enough
Speaker 1: filmography that he'd be a good candidate for this for
Speaker 1: that podcast, because this is a textbook example of somebody
Speaker 1: just like allowed to make a three hour like meandering
Speaker 1: conspiracy epic about pop songs and underground caves for harems
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. That's like also kind of an in
Speaker 1: cells slash reddit conspiracy theorist story. I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: like a lot. It's like Q and on the movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say for me, this movie kind of lives
Speaker 1: and dies by the fact that it stars Andrew Garfield.
Speaker 1: And that was what did not work for me. You
Speaker 1: didn't like the garf doing a little joke. I wanted
Speaker 1: to make like, hey girl memes about him, remember girl
Speaker 1: memes that feel Yeah, this guy is like the real,
Speaker 1: like silver Lake guy that everybody's dated. He is everyone's
Speaker 1: Silver Lake ex boyfriend, of which did not make me
Speaker 1: love him exactly. I liked him for embracing his I
Speaker 1: mean I I admired his performance, but yeah, he's like
Speaker 1: a really I mean, he literally smells bad smells the
Speaker 1: entire movie. He has a very like it's it's a
Speaker 1: very studied and unique way of walking and running and
Speaker 1: like holding himself even lying on the ground. That's like
Speaker 1: everything he does is very it's pointed, it is incredible.
Speaker 1: Then is so good. It's very close to like a
Speaker 1: Napoleon dynamite kind of thing, like a void of charisma,
Speaker 1: which maybe is the point. That is the point. I
Speaker 1: will not pretend to know the intentions of this film
Speaker 1: from the creator, but I you feel pretty safe and
Speaker 1: sane that we're not supposed to like Andrew Garfield's character. Correct. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, can we just say that there will
Speaker 1: be spoilers because I feel the need to spoil well,
Speaker 1: and it's time available on demand, you can you can
Speaker 1: get it, you know, basically any platform. It was out
Speaker 1: theatrically for like all of two days before they dropped
Speaker 1: it on v o D. It's it's kind of the
Speaker 1: first ever A four fiasco, like, but they've kind of
Speaker 1: quietly swept it under the rud very watchable, I mean,
Speaker 1: like I watched The problem. Also that I watched a
Speaker 1: good movie first, right, Um, I saw The Farewell, which
Speaker 1: is yeah, which I'm sure we'll talk about more, but like,
Speaker 1: which is an awesome, like great movie. And I was
Speaker 1: like crying from watching The Farewell because it was so good.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, and now time for like
Speaker 1: and then it was just like the Benny Hill theme
Speaker 1: song playing the whole time. I think it was probably
Speaker 1: also like narcissism of small differences. I was like I
Speaker 1: would write this movie, but like with yeah, you know, no,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I mean, I'm partially like defensive of this
Speaker 1: movie because I'm like, I kin't want to do something
Speaker 1: like this. We better like some of this stuff. But
Speaker 1: it also it's a very it's a very funny, intentionally
Speaker 1: funny part. I mean, like from the from the part
Speaker 1: where there's like a really long dialogue scene during a
Speaker 1: sex scene exactly with him and Ricky lind Home. Like
Speaker 1: as soon as Ricky lind Home turned up, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: like Southland Tills were in like south Land Tails Territory
Speaker 1: was just like some good comedians playing weird character roles. Also,
Speaker 1: there's a paddle boat chase which is awesome in the
Speaker 1: paddle in the Echo Park Lake. That was yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean Patrick Fishler is really good in it. And that's
Speaker 1: a nod to like Mullholland Drive. I mean that's the
Speaker 1: other thing. So I finished the movie, which is I
Speaker 1: just like it's three hours long, but just to kind
Speaker 1: of sum up the plot, Andrew Garfield plays a guy
Speaker 1: who's very aimless and kind of like bottoming out, and
Speaker 1: he's in his mid thirties. He lives in Silver Lake
Speaker 1: he's a he's a conspiracy theorist kind of, but he
Speaker 1: basically is he's also a voyeur man child like he's
Speaker 1: obsessed Kurt Cobain and Nintendo, Like he's just stuck in
Speaker 1: the stuff of his youth. So he becomes interested in
Speaker 1: a couple of mysteries that he thinks might be related
Speaker 1: that are going on in his apartment complex and his
Speaker 1: immediate neighborhood. One of the mysteries is the disappearance of
Speaker 1: a neighbor that he's been like maybe trying to romance.
Speaker 1: And the other one is that all over Silver Lake
Speaker 1: someone's been graffiti ing Beware the Dog Killer, and apparently
Speaker 1: a lot of dogs are going missing and they think
Speaker 1: someone's like out, you know, killing the dogs. So he's
Speaker 1: kind of like just intrigued by these mysteries. Also, he
Speaker 1: has no job. He's like not trying to get a job.
Speaker 1: He's going to be evicted, his car was repossessed. He's
Speaker 1: just kind of falling apart and spending all of his
Speaker 1: time like obsessing over these conspiracy theories. But then after
Speaker 1: you finish the movie, you can then go on an
Speaker 1: Easter egg hunt, and there are all of these crazy
Speaker 1: Easter eggs in the movie, which also kind of lead nowhere,
Speaker 1: which the movie. In the movie, everything kind of leads
Speaker 1: nowhere just gets you get deeper and deeper and deeper
Speaker 1: into trying to solve these mysteries, and then it just
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. That's the question. It's a movie about
Speaker 1: the pointlessness of easter eggs, Yes, it's I think it's
Speaker 1: a movie about the Internet, and that's kind of I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, it's about how the Internet kind of
Speaker 1: like takes your drive away from like existing in your
Speaker 1: world as it appears to you, and it makes you
Speaker 1: feel as though everything has hidden in deeper levels and
Speaker 1: you go trying to like find what they are, but
Speaker 1: you just end up going like deeper and deeper into
Speaker 1: your own kind of id and like become really disconnected
Speaker 1: with people around you. You also get really into low
Speaker 1: cool mystery would be on the case. Maybe this movie
Speaker 1: made me uncomfortable because it like read me to fill
Speaker 1: up a little bit too much too, you know. Or
Speaker 1: I was like, is it like I drive around aimlessly
Speaker 1: and like follow read people's weird flyers they post on things. Uh.
Speaker 1: I was walking around a Gripp's park today and I
Speaker 1: was thinking about the movie, You're going to Find the Tunnel. Uh,
Speaker 1: all the tunnel stuff again, some of the stuff we
Speaker 1: were talking about last week with the Getty House and
Speaker 1: the you know, the gun cash, Like it's not not possible.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's interesting though, when you spend
Speaker 1: your time like reading and going deeper and deeper, and
Speaker 1: like I I also thought that the movie kind of
Speaker 1: you know, didn't really spend any time with him in
Speaker 1: front of a computer or searching on his phone, which
Speaker 1: is obviously what it was portraying, but not like the
Speaker 1: cinematic way to represent that and like put this sort
Speaker 1: of Hitchcock type score over it. So it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's a real adventure, but the actual reality of the
Speaker 1: adventure for most of it is like pretty mundane. It's him,
Speaker 1: like you know, decoding things on the back of a
Speaker 1: pizza box and stuff like I wish he had just
Speaker 1: had the clamshell phone. Oh my god, well that was
Speaker 1: the I mean, that's one of the things that I
Speaker 1: think he's really good at. Um David Robert Mitchell is
Speaker 1: just making making a place that's familiar seemed foreign. And
Speaker 1: we were talking right before we started recording with our
Speaker 1: producer Roy out in l A. And we were talking
Speaker 1: about It Follows, and I was like, what I loved
Speaker 1: about It Follows so much was that it created it
Speaker 1: kind of like took the past in the future and
Speaker 1: put them in a blender and then poured it onto
Speaker 1: a geographic location because it had all of these things
Speaker 1: that felt kind of retro and reminded you of your childhood,
Speaker 1: but it definitely also was like kind of of the future.
Speaker 1: And then it was also you know a really like beautiful,
Speaker 1: like beautifully shock kind of way of looking at Detroit
Speaker 1: and it was beautiful. Yeah, it's really nice. The kind
Speaker 1: of self mythologizing it does. Like I feel like like
Speaker 1: he's so obviously just like a ship post like Philip
Speaker 1: Marlowe type character, and it's like like every generation gets
Speaker 1: the version of that character that it deserves, and like
Speaker 1: this is the one that we get. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: down to the like you know, looking at his his
Speaker 1: neighbors in various states of undress type thing. But it's
Speaker 1: just like the more depressing version of this time around, right,
Speaker 1: it's like vertigo depressing. Yeah, I think about him being
Speaker 1: just a bad psychopath from the beginning. Then yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: it makes sense. First of all, I think, and this
Speaker 1: is my theory, but I think he is supposed to
Speaker 1: be the dog Killer. But then also it's someone So
Speaker 1: I went it deep into the subred reddit. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: the one thing to note about the reddit is that
Speaker 1: it's arted flourishing like weeks before this ever was released
Speaker 1: in the States, like off of a pirated copy from
Speaker 1: you like a teeny tiny UK release, and so it
Speaker 1: was already in full flower by the time it was
Speaker 1: released in the States. And it's just so funny because
Speaker 1: it's like it was already being passed around like this
Speaker 1: you know, forbidden thing like oh have you seen this?
Speaker 1: Have you heard the good word? Like have you seen like?
Speaker 1: And like I was saying before it came out, I
Speaker 1: was like, man like, releasing it almost feels like defeating
Speaker 1: the power of the myth that it could have. Like
Speaker 1: I mean, there's you know, certainly some money to be
Speaker 1: made by releasing it on v O D and stuff,
Speaker 1: but it could become like this gigantic cult thing if
Speaker 1: you just never released, right, Yeah, I know, it should
Speaker 1: have been like the movie that the that they don't want. Well,
Speaker 1: one thing that was cool was so there's a computer
Speaker 1: scientist guy who was a cryptography consultant on on this movie.
Speaker 1: And so there's there are all of these like ciphers
Speaker 1: to decode. So there are these dolls that represent um.
Speaker 1: It's that they're watching, yes, and there are dolls, and
Speaker 1: then underneath there's the Zodiac killer code which you can
Speaker 1: crack UM. And then there's also like in a coffee
Speaker 1: shop in the beginning of the movie, there's a guy
Speaker 1: who's wearing like a weird hipster T shirt with UM
Speaker 1: animal decals on it, and if you take the first
Speaker 1: letter of each animal, it spells out be weird dog
Speaker 1: killer UM. And then there's something on like the ticker
Speaker 1: at the bottom of a news program that they're watching
Speaker 1: at one point and it's it's like it's about the
Speaker 1: copial code UM. And so I guess the Kevin Knight
Speaker 1: who was the cryptography consultant like created a program to
Speaker 1: translate the copial side. It's just like you just keep
Speaker 1: going deeper and deeper into it. My husband got like
Speaker 1: on finding all the codes in a way that he
Speaker 1: hasn't since True Detective when he was like, what's Reddit,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, look at this, Like it's so many
Speaker 1: theories it's a trap. Yeah, it's a trap. But then
Speaker 1: I mean if you try and like figure it out,
Speaker 1: then you feel like that's kind of like a interesting
Speaker 1: kind of like compliment to the movie of like you're
Speaker 1: just ignoring things that need to get done and just
Speaker 1: being like, what's it mean? Yeah, I think the one
Speaker 1: thing about this movie is it's not as weird as
Speaker 1: it thinks it is. Right, That's the thing is I think,
Speaker 1: like I did keep comparing it in my mind and
Speaker 1: being tails it is legitimately weird. This feels a little
Speaker 1: bit too much like someone trying their hardest to like
Speaker 1: be weird. And naked middle aged women with birds is
Speaker 1: like a little bit of like what's weird? She was
Speaker 1: not hot, she was super hot, and then she had
Speaker 1: weird birds and then it was like that seems like
Speaker 1: a strange thing. Some of it just seemed like it
Speaker 1: was like a David Lynch Bright tape. Yeah. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I feel like another thing that to the degree that
Speaker 1: there has been a conversation around this movie, but there
Speaker 1: has been just among critics and stuff, and people have
Speaker 1: seen it, but just the kind of like is it
Speaker 1: toxic masculinity or is it a critique of toxic masculinity.
Speaker 1: It's definitely a crazy it's critique. I mean, especially when
Speaker 1: Toford Grace's character who First of all, it's super weird
Speaker 1: that almost none of these characters have names. And I'm
Speaker 1: sorry I got really jazzed about it, but I will
Speaker 1: say that when they have a drone and the drone
Speaker 1: is like, you know, peeping on like some lady undressing
Speaker 1: and they're kind of like just sitting there being losers
Speaker 1: looking at it was definitely to me and it's just like,
Speaker 1: oh God, what are we doing. You're supposed to feel gross,
Speaker 1: like you're supposed to think they're gross. You're supposed to
Speaker 1: kind of acknowledge that they feel a little bit gross,
Speaker 1: but that they're going to continue to do it relentlessly.
Speaker 1: We have these people who were living across the street
Speaker 1: from us for a while and they crashed a drone
Speaker 1: into our like trash cans and then wrote us a
Speaker 1: letter being like, hey, can you return our drone? It
Speaker 1: was like in the back of your yard, right and
Speaker 1: it fears to be crashed into your trash cans. And
Speaker 1: only later as I was like they were spying on us,
Speaker 1: Like to me, I was just like interesting, they took
Speaker 1: their drone for a little flight around the area and
Speaker 1: it's like, no, yeah, and they asked you to return
Speaker 1: it and I did and I did because I was
Speaker 1: just like, I don't want this drone here is put
Speaker 1: geo locator device on it so that you would know
Speaker 1: when it was nearby, so I could trash, I could
Speaker 1: out draw it down. That feels like a comedy or something.
Speaker 1: Train a hawk up. Um well, I'm I'm glad that
Speaker 1: you guys watched this. I needed to bring it to
Speaker 1: the hive too, to the table. You needed to share
Speaker 1: it with the class, and I'm glad you did. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've seen it twice because I saw it at the
Speaker 1: festival and I saw it again before they released it
Speaker 1: and they were like, you know, trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what to do with it. I think it was before
Speaker 1: they kind of just dumped it, and uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, Like, like, I have a friend who
Speaker 1: was who saw it. I mean, it's a friend you
Speaker 1: guys both know. But and I was like, oh God,
Speaker 1: is that guy me? Is that me? Have I been
Speaker 1: that guy all along? And I'm like no, Like I
Speaker 1: lived with that I was the roommate of that guy.
Speaker 1: Before like the kind of like like filmmaker who like
Speaker 1: has a sort of girlfriend slash friends with benefits who
Speaker 1: comes by and has been like doing background on Madman.
Speaker 1: So she comes by and like uh secretary costumes and stuff,
Speaker 1: and they just like get stoned and like maybe have sex.
Speaker 1: And I have to like be listening in the closet
Speaker 1: next door see this, We'd rather watch the movie? Yeah exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe it was very close to home. Again. I was
Speaker 1: just like, I, oh, too many of these locations, so
Speaker 1: they can't be like exotify in any way to me.
Speaker 1: You know. Well. It's also I think a really good
Speaker 1: kind of commentary on how if you're living in l A.
Speaker 1: Every most people I know are very close to like
Speaker 1: you know, losing their homes, losing their cars, Like we've
Speaker 1: all kind of been there in the past ten years
Speaker 1: or so, but you still continue, like as long as
Speaker 1: you have that balcony that overlooks cool, even though you're
Speaker 1: about to be evicted, it appears fine. You're going to
Speaker 1: the cemetery screenings, you're going to these like weird parties
Speaker 1: in and you can kind of pretend, yeah, you can
Speaker 1: kind of pretend that nothing terrible is happening, you know,
Speaker 1: and it can kind of stretch on seemingly forever, like
Speaker 1: they come to a victim, you back for another day,
Speaker 1: and then there you are the next day on the
Speaker 1: balcony looking at the beautiful pool. So and I also
Speaker 1: shout out to Tomato Pie, which is like, I think,
Speaker 1: the best pizza on the East Side, even though it's
Speaker 1: very spicy pizza. Unexpectedly, uh love seeing Tomato Pie. I
Speaker 1: guess I feel like this movie was like it's just
Speaker 1: like of a touristy point of view, and it feels
Speaker 1: like it was made by a tourist. And what was
Speaker 1: so good about it follows and it follows was such
Speaker 1: like felt like like I guess maybe I also just
Speaker 1: don't really know what Detroit looks like, so it was like,
Speaker 1: so you would be a tourist in Detroit. I means agree,
Speaker 1: I don't really feel like it feels touristy to me.
Speaker 1: I think like the kind of the particular like patina
Speaker 1: of patheticism that is nailed in this movie is like,
Speaker 1: I don't think you would get that if you were
Speaker 1: just a tourist. I think you, like, maybe you're somebody
Speaker 1: who moved here from Ohio, or whatever. Here. I say here,
Speaker 1: like I'm there right now. Um, but it's a plant,
Speaker 1: but like, but like has definitely been there for a
Speaker 1: while enough for things to get me kind of sad. Um,
Speaker 1: And that feels that doesn't feel touristy to me anymore,
Speaker 1: because that just feels like a big part of the
Speaker 1: l a experience for a lot of people. Most people
Speaker 1: here are transplants anyway, Not true, not true that most
Speaker 1: people are transplant not most people in Silver Lake. You would,
Speaker 1: I would venture, I guess, only because they pushed out
Speaker 1: all the people. I'm not saying it's good. I totally agree,
Speaker 1: but I think a lot of thirty year olds or
Speaker 1: thirty three years I think it's specifically thirty three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I just found him so boring. I was like,
Speaker 1: I wish the movie. I don't know. I liked the milieu,
Speaker 1: but I didn't. He was just so gross. Did you
Speaker 1: like when he got stuck to a car door handle? Um?
Speaker 1: And it was like a Spider Man there was feeling.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's interesting if you were making
Speaker 1: all the Spider Man movies and then you were like,
Speaker 1: I want to make the opposite of that, you know,
Speaker 1: definitely the opposite of far Away, because he was even
Speaker 1: like the likable guy in there was his breakout, always
Speaker 1: like a little he always played likable guys. So I
Speaker 1: guess it's just like, well, I don't know. I guess
Speaker 1: I just wanted somebody a little Nick Cagier, you know,
Speaker 1: like the best Q and on movie National Treasure. Well,
Speaker 1: Night Call listeners, if you've seen Under the Silver Lake,
Speaker 1: if you have decoded every single code and Under the
Speaker 1: Silver Lake, if you have any thoughts, please give us
Speaker 1: a Nightcall at one to four oh four six night
Speaker 1: or night Email at Nightcall Podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: Do you guys want to take a night email? Yes,
Speaker 1: so this email comes to us from Trevor. Trevor writes, hello,
Speaker 1: ladies of Night Call, the mention of pan psychism and
Speaker 1: the last edition of Night Call caught me dead in
Speaker 1: my tracks. You see, I studied for a year under
Speaker 1: Galen Strawson, the most famous pan psychist philosopher. He was
Speaker 1: a tall, deliberate man, but skinny and somewhat hunched like.
Speaker 1: He was unsure intendative about his presence in the world.
Speaker 1: He had a larger than usual head, supporting an untamed
Speaker 1: fountain of long gray hairs that grew up and out
Speaker 1: in all directions and gave him the look of an
Speaker 1: old hermit on a mountaintop. His extures pondered the strange
Speaker 1: vicissitudes of life in the world, in his deep conviction
Speaker 1: that there surely was consciousness somewhere, but that it just
Speaker 1: wasn't anywhere he could locate it. The stuff of the
Speaker 1: world is mind stuff, he would say, to clarify that
Speaker 1: anything has the capability of conscious energetic movement. Galen himself
Speaker 1: seemed to be a consciousness without memory experience. He would
Speaker 1: talk about forgetting having a wife and children, and often
Speaker 1: began statements with I'm sitting here, uh, before launching too
Speaker 1: into a thought, as though he was a floating consciousness
Speaker 1: trying to get into character as a person before doing
Speaker 1: person things like making statements and talking with students. With this,
Speaker 1: I wholeheartedly recommend Galen's candidacy for the Night Call Museum,
Speaker 1: Peace Love for twenty from Austin Trevor Peace Love and
Speaker 1: four twenty you Trevor, thank you for for getting in touch.
Speaker 1: That was a really good, so evocative. Yeah, um, I
Speaker 1: feel like I I know Gaalen. I'm not familiar with Galen,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't even familiar with pants ychism before we
Speaker 1: talked about it last week, and then I had to
Speaker 1: look it up afterwards. Um, do you guys have any
Speaker 1: professors that you had a special memories of? I mean
Speaker 1: nobody who was a pan psychist, I guess yeah, Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: no pan psychist. I there were two professors. One of them,
Speaker 1: UM was a literature professor who was super strange. UM.
Speaker 1: I took her class on She's the one who married poetry. No,
Speaker 1: that was a t A. Unshockingly, it was the t A.
Speaker 1: This woman was obsessed with UM King Arthur and she
Speaker 1: would kind of like vastly between talking about chivalric code.
Speaker 1: And she she had lost like I think like two
Speaker 1: she lost a significant amount of weight, and so she
Speaker 1: would tie in her weight loss with like getting really
Speaker 1: into King Arthur and and I was like, wow, that's
Speaker 1: really interesting. But also she she was not a fan
Speaker 1: of my writing, so I eventually hated her. UM. And
Speaker 1: then there was a guy who taught a class on
Speaker 1: film architecture. Uh, and he was just super interesting. I think,
Speaker 1: German guy, what does film architecture means? It was literally
Speaker 1: just buildings in film movie Yeah, it was one of
Speaker 1: the best classes ever. That's an amazing class. It was
Speaker 1: a lot of like The Last Man in Metropolis and
Speaker 1: Late Runner and like City Escapes. It was an awesome Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're just the colleges fun melloy, But like my my
Speaker 1: college was so full of environments and then I just
Speaker 1: made a film, like I didn't get to do all
Speaker 1: the like newtly like fun weird electives people do. Um
Speaker 1: TuS and I both picked the college where you could
Speaker 1: do the Yes, but that was part of my my
Speaker 1: major because I was an art and architecture major. I
Speaker 1: was I wanted to do architecture for my first two
Speaker 1: years and then um I did like history of art
Speaker 1: and architecture and then pivoted to writing. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: have no idea who what was the best architect you studied?
Speaker 1: Don't ask me these questions, Okay, I'm already ragging my
Speaker 1: brain for the architecture of psychism. My first couple of years,
Speaker 1: I went to loyal and Marymount and and the Loyal
Speaker 1: I think both all the Loyalist schools have really rigorous
Speaker 1: core requirements, like you have to take a certain amount
Speaker 1: of philosophy classes and theology classes. And stuff, and those
Speaker 1: actually ended up being probably my favorite classes, including film
Speaker 1: classes that I ever took. And did you talk about
Speaker 1: pan psychism and your philosophy class? She just looked out yesterday,
Speaker 1: but we talked about that. That's where I learned about
Speaker 1: like the nose sphere and stuff. Oh yeah, pire R
Speaker 1: de Chardin was like like truly like mind breaking stuff
Speaker 1: and I learned it from like a jazz at Priests
Speaker 1: and so it was like kind of superd chill and
Speaker 1: and it was like in this pretty old building on
Speaker 1: the campus of Loyola, which like looks like a resort,
Speaker 1: and we were like just thinking about all being cells
Speaker 1: in a brain someday. It's like it was great. Um
Speaker 1: he was He was by no means any any kind
Speaker 1: of character like this guy that that Trevor described, but
Speaker 1: it was a great class. Um. We recently on our
Speaker 1: Facebook page, Uh, this is kind of related because if
Speaker 1: we were in college now, I assume that we would
Speaker 1: all be really interested in neural networks, which I had.
Speaker 1: I knew nothing about neural networks, knew nothing about him. Uh,
Speaker 1: but somebody on Facebook, Um, nightcaller Charlotte prompted a neural
Speaker 1: network with the prompt strange days and lonely nights, and
Speaker 1: got like a night call poem. Would you guys mind
Speaker 1: if I read it? Yes, please read it? Okay, it's
Speaker 1: so strange days and lonely nights. I was so proud
Speaker 1: that I was a woman. I had no idea that
Speaker 1: I could be happy. I couldn't seem to say goodbye
Speaker 1: to her. I was so proud that I was a woman.
Speaker 1: I could tell the universe has changed. I'd rather have
Speaker 1: a friend than a partner. I'd rather have one and
Speaker 1: a partner than a husband. And then suddenly I was alone.
Speaker 1: It wasn't until later that I realized that these lonely
Speaker 1: nights and lonely nights were no fun, that I was
Speaker 1: no longer there, that I could hear her whispering in
Speaker 1: my ear. I'd rather live in the present, live our lives.
Speaker 1: But in order to make it there, I had to
Speaker 1: take off. But to feel so empty and alone, it
Speaker 1: seemed I had to go. And then I went away
Speaker 1: to the desert. I left a big mess, and after
Speaker 1: a while I came back. It's like a very night collegue.
Speaker 1: It's so wonderful to post it on the Patreon site,
Speaker 1: Yeah show notes, Um, it's that's beautiful. I played around
Speaker 1: with this thing for a little while because they sent
Speaker 1: us the link for it. It's called talk to Transformer
Speaker 1: dot com. That's the name of the neural network. UM.
Speaker 1: I only vaguely understand neural networks, Like it's just supposed
Speaker 1: to be like a simulation of how the brain works,
Speaker 1: but using like I guess, by scraping stuff off the internet,
Speaker 1: is that how they I think so, But it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like predictive text that has been like crowdsourced from
Speaker 1: the Internet. I guess, yeah, so it's different. I always
Speaker 1: kind of do like enjoy those memes where they're like
Speaker 1: I like type I love and then just like do
Speaker 1: whatever the auto auto fill is and after that, and uh,
Speaker 1: I mean I never post them, but I always like
Speaker 1: seeing what my phone thinks, I would say, because it's
Speaker 1: always a little bit spooky to see that version of yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this kind of felt like this, but I guess more
Speaker 1: like I guess, sourcing from it a larger pool of
Speaker 1: information than just what you would put on your phone.
Speaker 1: I tried to make it do some Game of Thrones content,
Speaker 1: but it really felt like it was just grab being
Speaker 1: text from um well it even said it was like
Speaker 1: from screen rant or something. Um it like made a
Speaker 1: it basically made a um like automated content, like you
Speaker 1: know that's the thing that actually happens like scraping. Yeah,
Speaker 1: s CEO scraping, but then like automatically like AI generated content,
Speaker 1: like the robots are taking away the content form jobs.
Speaker 1: But it became popular, right you did, like a Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones thing, and it got shared like a thousand
Speaker 1: But that's a no. It was just like in the text,
Speaker 1: it was like this has been shared. I was like,
Speaker 1: what does this mean? It's so we know. It was
Speaker 1: like like it just had all of the customary you
Speaker 1: know text at the end of a blog posts. So funny.
Speaker 1: Do you guys remember there was a Clarissa that Explains
Speaker 1: it All episode where she like builds a program that
Speaker 1: writes poems and then wins a poetry contest with a
Speaker 1: poem that the robot wrote. I do not remember that.
Speaker 1: It's the best because it was like probably the first
Speaker 1: time anyone ever showed a girl like programming something. Also
Speaker 1: ethics and yeah yeah, and she like she tells everybody
Speaker 1: because she feels bad. There was a Wishbone episode that
Speaker 1: unfolows the poetry assignment. That's a thing that I remember,
Speaker 1: but I think it wasn't. It didn't have any to
Speaker 1: do with computers. It was like I think it was
Speaker 1: a Syrano de berch Rack episodes. So he was like
Speaker 1: having somebody else write a poem for him. You were like,
Speaker 1: Wishbone delivered the Pentagon paper. That was very incredible, incredible coup.
Speaker 1: I wish Bone. You know what's a weird show, wish
Speaker 1: Have you ever gone back and watched YouTube videos of that?
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to pull. Children's programming is insane.
Speaker 1: All children's programming he's under it is we have one
Speaker 1: more night call. We wanted to gets you before we
Speaker 1: close out today. Coming to us from John. Here he
Speaker 1: is and Night Called. An episode sixty two, you talk
Speaker 1: to Penny Lane about her documentary Hail Satan and the
Speaker 1: challenge that the Satanic temple post is supposed supposed religious
Speaker 1: freedom in the USA. I haven't seen the documentary, but
Speaker 1: the value of this film seemed pretty obvious from your discussion.
Speaker 1: So here's my question. Years ago, I was a teaching
Speaker 1: assistant for a course Cults and New Religious Movements, taught
Speaker 1: by the late David Kinsley, who argued that the term
Speaker 1: cult should not be based on beliefs, since all religions
Speaker 1: seem to have some strange beliefs, at least to outsiders,
Speaker 1: but cults should just be reserved for groups based on behavior,
Speaker 1: how they treat people within the group, whether to let
Speaker 1: them have access to their families, have some measure of freedom,
Speaker 1: something like that. Do you think this is true. Do
Speaker 1: you think behavior is the only measure of something being
Speaker 1: designated a cult or do you think there are some
Speaker 1: beliefs which are dangerous enough for that they ought to
Speaker 1: be designated as colts. Thanks so much for the podcast.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Bye Um, great question. Yeah, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for the college. John. Yeah, this totally got me thinking,
Speaker 1: and we were thinking it was very appropriate for talking
Speaker 1: about under the Silver Lake as well. I think at
Speaker 1: this point in history, especially like after you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of wave of cult like activity, like in the
Speaker 1: sixties and seventies and stuff, that the kinds of things
Speaker 1: that seem to signify a cult and the kinds of
Speaker 1: things that cults believe in the way that cults address
Speaker 1: that kind of seemed to supersed like the actual mechanics
Speaker 1: of a cult, you know, like, um, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like I I feel like this this is like a
Speaker 1: good way to have some perspective on what actually as
Speaker 1: a cult or not, because you can have somebody that
Speaker 1: believes in crystals or energy healing or whatever like, but
Speaker 1: it's not going to be a cult because you're not like,
Speaker 1: you're not holding people against their will or making people
Speaker 1: pay you or whatever the case may be. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that was an interesting distinction to bring up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if you're using the crystals in a group, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that there's the differentiation between you know, a
Speaker 1: cult that believes in terrible or ridiculous things versus just
Speaker 1: a group of people who believe in terrible or ridiculous things.
Speaker 1: You can condemn, you know, horrible beliefs across the board,
Speaker 1: but without dictating other people's behavior. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a cult, no, because well, unless the rules of the
Speaker 1: reddit were that you you know, had to pay a
Speaker 1: certain amount of your money to like who at the moderator,
Speaker 1: I mean, the basic rules of any kind of like
Speaker 1: website forum, I don't think our I mean, there's not
Speaker 1: a thing. I feel like there has to be some
Speaker 1: kind of addictive quality to a cult, like whether like
Speaker 1: some kind of dependence or something. Let's talk about like
Speaker 1: Reddit conspiracy these so like if you start like it
Speaker 1: becomes like an addictive behavior, like an Internet addictive behavior
Speaker 1: where it's like you're placing going on the message board above,
Speaker 1: like interacting with human beings or like you if you
Speaker 1: show any doubt or wavering from whatever the conspiracy of
Speaker 1: the day is on the fore that you're like and
Speaker 1: then you're shamed by for it by your peers, as
Speaker 1: opposed to just being like, oh, like that's an interesting
Speaker 1: way of thinking about it, or like I disagree, but
Speaker 1: what I you can go your own way that feels
Speaker 1: that feels cold, like for sure, I mean I don't
Speaker 1: know if that. I think there's a fine line where
Speaker 1: it becomes religious and not. I mean, honestly, more so
Speaker 1: than than people who have like Internet addictions or whatever.
Speaker 1: I think multi level marketing is the most non religious
Speaker 1: cult like thing. Um, which also I today so now
Speaker 1: a week ago if you're listening to this, but um,
Speaker 1: Jane Murray posted on Twitter a link to an article
Speaker 1: in The Cut about side hustles like oh, you know,
Speaker 1: good ways to like make a buck and the last
Speaker 1: one was maybe you should join an MLM. It was yes,
Speaker 1: it was in the cut. I was so disappointed. Think
Speaker 1: they did have a little link at the end that
Speaker 1: was like just make sure you know what you're doing,
Speaker 1: and it was like you're going to lose all your friends.
Speaker 1: But like a lot of the proposed solutions to making
Speaker 1: more money where like sell your hair, uh and stuff
Speaker 1: where you're like it would be nice with people have
Speaker 1: a job, very depressing. But um, if you really kind
Speaker 1: of look into the people who are super super involved
Speaker 1: with MLM, it's like the beliefs part of it, where
Speaker 1: you you know, they actually some of them really do
Speaker 1: believe that that what they're selling is good and everyone
Speaker 1: needs it. But it's more the behavior that they're expected
Speaker 1: to follow in order to sell this product and the
Speaker 1: way that you know they kind of fit into like
Speaker 1: the greater scheme of things that it's problematic. It's like
Speaker 1: her life an example of that or something. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and wrote in in fields and everyone can listen to
Speaker 1: the dream. But um, yeah, there's there's a good Facebook
Speaker 1: group called sounds like MLM, but okay that you know,
Speaker 1: because Facebook is like obviously the vehicle where all of
Speaker 1: these people are are selling these things, um, and then
Speaker 1: you just tag that group and yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: so weird when you bring capitalism into it, because it's
Speaker 1: like capitalism is basically a religion in our country. When
Speaker 1: I was going to say, like it's like heterosexuality a cult,
Speaker 1: like a lot of bad groups to people buy into,
Speaker 1: it's like true, I mean anything can be a cult
Speaker 1: almost definitely. Well, I guess it's also like I'm just
Speaker 1: always very skeptical of group activity. I'm always a little
Speaker 1: scared of like a crowd turning into a mob. Yeah
Speaker 1: you know, uh, bad direction. Yeah, there's just something about
Speaker 1: like losing yourself to the will of the group that
Speaker 1: is inherently depersonalizing. And it can be good. It can
Speaker 1: be the best feeling in the world. It's why people
Speaker 1: do psychedelic drugs. But it could also be bad. And
Speaker 1: a lot of people who join groups it's because they
Speaker 1: don't know what they want and they want someone to
Speaker 1: be like, here's what you want, you want to do this,
Speaker 1: That's why it used for good side. I feel like
Speaker 1: the entire e d M boom was like one big
Speaker 1: like sub moment, like everybody just wanted to be like
Speaker 1: dominated by Yeah, it's a megachurch, The Drop. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I I don't know if I would call that
Speaker 1: a cult necessarily, but it has because it's sort of
Speaker 1: just this sort of aspirational thing. It kind of has
Speaker 1: a spiritual quality to it. Um And and the way
Speaker 1: that you know, people feel when they're own drugs and
Speaker 1: they're listening to music like that, you couldn't have take
Speaker 1: on a spiritual quality. Um. Yeah, I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: it's interesting to think about people need community, and there's
Speaker 1: just always that fear that like one day one of
Speaker 1: the people in the community will be like, Okay, now
Speaker 1: it's you're in this cult, you know, and now it's
Speaker 1: time to take this to the next level. I feel
Speaker 1: like you must like test as a parent, must be
Speaker 1: invite you to weird things all the time that you
Speaker 1: don't know if their cults are not well, now I
Speaker 1: feel unpopular. I'm like, what does she mean by invite
Speaker 1: into a lot of things. Yeah, I've had a few
Speaker 1: friends who were into multi level marketing schemes and tried
Speaker 1: to get me involved. One of them was like very
Speaker 1: very pushy. They're called huns because it's like, hey, hon,
Speaker 1: so they're referred to as Hans and one of them.
Speaker 1: I was very offended that she thought I was the
Speaker 1: type of person to yeah, very offended. First I was like,
Speaker 1: she thinks I don't have a glowing complexion, And then
Speaker 1: I was like, she thinks I would sign up to
Speaker 1: sell like very overpriced crappy cosmics. No, I buy my
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