Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Player's
Speaker 1: Lounge broadcasting line from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star.
Speaker 1: Now your hosts, Barry Church, Danny mccraig, and Newey Scrugs. Hi, everybody,
Speaker 1: Players Lounge Time. Forty five minutes of some fun conversation
Speaker 1: between myself, Newi Scrugs, longtime Cowboys reporter, and two former
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys safeties, Barry Church and Danny mccraig. The day
Speaker 1: after Wednesday Night Football on NBC, in which the Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: Steelers go to eleven and oh by beating the Baltimore
Speaker 1: Ravens nineteen to fourteen. This game was slopping. It looked
Speaker 1: like two teams that hadn't been practicing. But the Steamers
Speaker 1: get picked, the Ravens get the lost. So who picked
Speaker 1: Who picked the Ravens to win? Somebody? That would be
Speaker 1: you and I No, no, no no, no, no, who who
Speaker 1: somebody picked up? Somebody picked the Ravens to win? Oh
Speaker 1: the Ravens. Oh, Oh, the Ravens. Oh. That was only
Speaker 1: one person who did that on this show. Oh in America.
Speaker 1: Problem one person and in America and probably picked the
Speaker 1: raven Who was that? There was your boy, man, there
Speaker 1: was your boy, none other it was none other than
Speaker 1: those your domas your boy. You know, I picked them boys, man,
Speaker 1: you know, and I got something to say, Man, I
Speaker 1: picked the Ravens, And yeah, I was wrong. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to admit, unlike some people on this show,
Speaker 1: when I was wrong, and I was wrong about to
Speaker 1: pick last week. But I'll tell you this, man, I
Speaker 1: felt bad. I felt extremely bad just looking at what
Speaker 1: happened to RG three. I mean, this guy is a
Speaker 1: shell of himself. He was just got like eight years.
Speaker 1: He was the rookie of the year, bona fide. He
Speaker 1: was Lamar Jackson before there even was a Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: He had world class b and then you just see
Speaker 1: him out there and it's like, man, what happened? I
Speaker 1: mean he and I'll tell you what that what he
Speaker 1: did last night and not watching it, he basically messed
Speaker 1: up his whole cushy job. He had a nice cushy
Speaker 1: job where he was the backup quarterback, probably making three
Speaker 1: four million dollars a year. He's sitting behind a young study.
Speaker 1: He's probably never gonna see the field. So he's gonna
Speaker 1: collect on that money. But now after they saw that
Speaker 1: performanceship man, they're gonna be like, hey, look, we ain't
Speaker 1: gonna bring you back next year. That cushy job you had,
Speaker 1: it's gone now. No, no, just feel bad. Oh bron
Speaker 1: did you They're down with eight to twelve guys. You're
Speaker 1: on your You're on a sinner who's never started in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and your your right guard is a dude
Speaker 1: making a second start. You don't have your top receiver,
Speaker 1: you don't have your tight end. I mean, how are
Speaker 1: you putting all this on RG three? Man? And so
Speaker 1: person on three out there we saw him, but only
Speaker 1: one person on this on this podcast expected RG three
Speaker 1: to do something spectacular, which is you, Well that was
Speaker 1: wrong about that. I'm talking about just the way he
Speaker 1: looked out there. The man looked, didn't They looked terrible
Speaker 1: trams better than him out there. Listen, dude, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say all that, thank you, thank you. I don't know
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm church Church. You need stop, bro, I'm serious.
Speaker 1: Aren't you three look good yesterday? RG three look good yesterday.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is there was a cast of people
Speaker 1: around him, which was going to make the job hard.
Speaker 1: Right now, I think you're being as unfair to RG
Speaker 1: three as you've been Andy Dalton. You're sitting around here
Speaker 1: mad at a guy who has nobody around him. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you think about what makes the Ravens offense go,
Speaker 1: there's the running backs are out, the number one tight
Speaker 1: ends out. You got Willie Steed, your leading receiver route,
Speaker 1: he got a center. Okay, I'm sorry, bro. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to sit up here at all and say I
Speaker 1: understand what it's like to play in the NFL. But
Speaker 1: I'll say this as a guy who used to snap.
Speaker 1: You throw a dude out here, and you and you
Speaker 1: go up against the Pittsburgh Steelers trying to call up man,
Speaker 1: trying to call fronts against these dudes with a right
Speaker 1: guard making his second start. So the communication between you
Speaker 1: guys about who gets who? I mean, you see T J.
Speaker 1: Watt went out there. I had a heck of a day.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man, that's not all on the quarterback round that.
Speaker 1: That's that's unfair. Boy looked terrible out there, man, he
Speaker 1: did not RG three did not stand the chance. You listen,
Speaker 1: something in us are something in us already knew that
Speaker 1: he was gonna go out there and get injured. He
Speaker 1: went out there and he had another soft tissue injury. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's the usual, RG three. What
Speaker 1: happened was Church, you looked at his past performance against
Speaker 1: the Ravens, what you brought I mean against the Steelers,
Speaker 1: what you brought up last time, and said, yeah, the
Speaker 1: last time he started, he was beating up on the Stillers,
Speaker 1: and he was like, this is the RG three that
Speaker 1: we're gonna see this week. And what did we say? Now,
Speaker 1: Bro that that's not who he is. That's not what
Speaker 1: Danny and Danny No Church was thinking about the last
Speaker 1: time RG three faced him, He like he what he
Speaker 1: is he was, But he gave what he gave me
Speaker 1: that work. First of all, First three, Yeah, forgetting me
Speaker 1: no work. You was that you was covering the game
Speaker 1: forgetting me no work. So we're gonna, we're gonna, we're
Speaker 1: gonna work. He could have gave you to work. He
Speaker 1: ain't getting you the work. Listen, listen, listen. The Red
Speaker 1: Skids gave me, gave me all I can handle on
Speaker 1: things giving. I remember exactly what RG three looked like.
Speaker 1: And I knew that that was a skin like he
Speaker 1: was benefiting from the scheme that they were running. That
Speaker 1: ain't the scheme they're running up the uh in Baltimore.
Speaker 1: And that was the Dallas Cowboys offense that they were
Speaker 1: playing against. Either. That was Mega Fitzpatrick Watt and those
Speaker 1: boys running out there and rieking heavy. And the old
Speaker 1: thing that kept them in the game was the Ravens defense,
Speaker 1: which is coming in next week. So man, I mean,
Speaker 1: we we got our hands full. So RG three, by
Speaker 1: the way, was the leading Russia on the team. All right, Um,
Speaker 1: that tells you something right there. The only thing that
Speaker 1: worked in that offense yesterday was RG three doing a
Speaker 1: quarterback drop up the middle, so that that offensive line
Speaker 1: to do anything at all. And by and by the way, Um, Church,
Speaker 1: didn't you say somebody was supposed to be leading receiving
Speaker 1: yesterday and that was gonna put up? And yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought he was. Man, how many catches it does Bryan
Speaker 1: have yesterday? Man? How anybody all the way away? No, no, Church,
Speaker 1: don't don't take that one. I'm not no, I'm not
Speaker 1: winning new on that one. Church, man. So how did no, no,
Speaker 1: no in Church? You gotta find me in church, ask
Speaker 1: him how many passes the Baltimore Ravens quarterbacks completed yesterday
Speaker 1: before you go out here talking about Den Brane. They
Speaker 1: kissed the passes. Why I gotta kind of go with nook, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, my boy, Look did you see
Speaker 1: that bang? Eighty ran and he slipped and fell. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Man's outside. Did you see j Claypool? They
Speaker 1: all looked the same, everybody that was out there and
Speaker 1: was cold on a Wednesday. It was on the Wednesday.
Speaker 1: And so you gave him bring the sauce this week,
Speaker 1: though he gonna bring the sauce this week against that.
Speaker 1: Look what Whatd's had two targets in the game, And
Speaker 1: I go back to something. You just sat right here, Danny.
Speaker 1: It was Wednesday. This looked like a Wednesday scrimmage more
Speaker 1: so than it looked like an NFL game. These guys
Speaker 1: have been off, uh. And I spoke a little bit
Speaker 1: out yesterday, man, these guys are gonna be off. And
Speaker 1: and I was wrong giving the Steelers to what. I
Speaker 1: gave the Steels twenty seven points to win. I said
Speaker 1: they win twenty seven and nine wasn't too far off
Speaker 1: for what the Ravens did. But um, you know that
Speaker 1: that was bad. That was some bad football that we
Speaker 1: saw there of teams, you know, not really ready to
Speaker 1: play and and and off routine. You guys are professed
Speaker 1: on athletes. Athletes are creatures, have happed, and the habit
Speaker 1: was definitely off. The Cowboys right now are going to
Speaker 1: be off. And I'm I'll say, right now is they
Speaker 1: get ready to face the Ravens Tuesday in Baltimore on
Speaker 1: December eight, I'm going to be worried about how they
Speaker 1: look being off this long. And then you add in
Speaker 1: today where um, there's the virtual memorial service for Marcus Paul,
Speaker 1: there is strength and conditioning coach who passed away fifty
Speaker 1: four years old. Uh, they've dealt with a lot and
Speaker 1: we got you got another issue with the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Your left tackle is out, your right tackle is out. Um,
Speaker 1: you know this is another revolving door for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: to try and get things done. So I expect them
Speaker 1: to look a little bit slow when they face the
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens on Tuesday. Hold on, hold on, I can't
Speaker 1: let listen. The only team that was off here, Actually,
Speaker 1: I don't think any team was off yesterday the Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: Steelers have looked the same way almost the entire season.
Speaker 1: They come out, they start off slow, and they find
Speaker 1: a way toy inch out the game in the second half.
Speaker 1: And then Baltimore didn't have all their players. Pittsburgh would
Speaker 1: have been in some serious trouble. If Lamar Jackson and
Speaker 1: Andrews and all those guys that were out were playing yesterday,
Speaker 1: and the defense on the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 1: where they had most of their players. They came out
Speaker 1: there to players today, they didn't look sloppy. They were
Speaker 1: They were giving Pittsburgh everything they can handle. Pittsburgh has
Speaker 1: always has looked like this in the entire season. That's
Speaker 1: why some people don't even have them as the number
Speaker 1: one team, because they've looked this way even in their wins.
Speaker 1: So I don't really think they were off. I think
Speaker 1: that's just the type of football that Pittsburgh is playing.
Speaker 1: And then you know, of course you had Baltimore missing
Speaker 1: all the all the pieces of offense. Tomlin called it
Speaker 1: a JV performance. That's what he said yesterday. He said
Speaker 1: they looked off. I thought they were off, like you know,
Speaker 1: go back to having James Connor. My fantasy team, and there, Ibron,
Speaker 1: I've watched I've watched a lot of Steelers games. I mean,
Speaker 1: the way these receiving a brown, he dropped at least
Speaker 1: three passes dropped the touchdown pass. I mean in this
Speaker 1: football game I saw, I saw a lot of passes
Speaker 1: being dropped. And for me, as I look forward, I
Speaker 1: picked the Steelers to make the Super Bowl. The one
Speaker 1: thing that worries means they don't run the football enough.
Speaker 1: I looked out there yesterday and the Steelers fence with
Speaker 1: just sixty eight yards rush, and part of me said,
Speaker 1: is it your unwillingness to run? And also the Ravens,
Speaker 1: by the way, are really good. And if you're the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and Callen Moore, good luck trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how you're gonna run on this Ravens defense. But they've
Speaker 1: got some issues here in my mind, and they just
Speaker 1: throw away too much from my my take, especially when
Speaker 1: you think about the kind of weather and that's what
Speaker 1: you grew up in Barry. That kind of weather that
Speaker 1: they had yesterday was made to run the football more
Speaker 1: so than trying to trying to pass it. But oh well,
Speaker 1: what do I know, man? I mean, and lucky they
Speaker 1: didn't play the day before. There was a snowstorm up
Speaker 1: there the day before when they were scheduled to play Tuesday,
Speaker 1: and it would have been even worse. But I'm interested
Speaker 1: to see what Pittsburgh can do in the playoffs and
Speaker 1: it once the postseason comes around, because you can't really
Speaker 1: be a one trick pony when it comes to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: You gotta be you gotta be able, you gotta be multifaceted,
Speaker 1: so you can't just go out there and throw the
Speaker 1: ball fifty sometimes and expect to win, especially when you're
Speaker 1: going to get the better teams in the AFC. So
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see how they do out there. They
Speaker 1: might be a first round exit, you know. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know these past a couple of years, and
Speaker 1: Stiler has been out of the playoffs after one. So
Speaker 1: I'd be interested to see what Bank can put up
Speaker 1: out there. Gotta make a commitment to the run here.
Speaker 1: So um, looking at that Baltimore game yesterday, and while
Speaker 1: you were trying to run down RG three who got
Speaker 1: hurt in the football game, I looked at it from
Speaker 1: the standpoint, even with them having offensive line issues, they
Speaker 1: ran for one hundred and twenty nine yards on the
Speaker 1: Steelers and the Cowboys, telling you, I want to know
Speaker 1: what Mike Nolan's gonna do because to me, I'm selling
Speaker 1: out and I'm trying to put eight nine in the box.
Speaker 1: Or you can you trust your corners to go? Man?
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews, the tight end, will not be available for
Speaker 1: Baltimore when they face the Cowboys on Tuesday. He's on
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. Lamar Jackson should be out. They should get
Speaker 1: some more of their starters out. But knowing that they
Speaker 1: like to run the football, and maybe you have your
Speaker 1: safety cheat over. Well, you gotta have your safe to
Speaker 1: cheat over at the Hollywood brawdcas even beat Deep. But
Speaker 1: how do you go about stopping this team that wants
Speaker 1: to run the football? And well, by the way, they'll
Speaker 1: have their top two running backs, ladye Mac Yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: do we that's is that a trick question? We haven't
Speaker 1: stopped to run all seasons, So how do we stop them?
Speaker 1: I don't know, We don't. What we do is we
Speaker 1: control the clock on offense and we try to we
Speaker 1: try to play the game to where we get the
Speaker 1: ball last, and we give our chances to give ourselves
Speaker 1: a shot of the great Andy Dalton having another comeback.
Speaker 1: Who Church wants to replace Church with with double G.
Speaker 1: You know, I think the only chance we have of
Speaker 1: stop the only chance we have them stopping this running game,
Speaker 1: is to have our offense on the I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think we have a real shot and stopping off
Speaker 1: running the ball, just because we haven't been able to
Speaker 1: do it against almost any team all season. Yeah. Man, look,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be tough for the Cowboys. Man. I mean,
Speaker 1: like you said, they haven't been able to stop the run.
Speaker 1: And this is a downhill running team. This is a
Speaker 1: team that when they do hand the ball off to
Speaker 1: the backs, they're straight downhill, right up the gut of
Speaker 1: the defense. And that's something that we haven't been able
Speaker 1: to stop all year. So it's gonna be tough. Man.
Speaker 1: But if I'm if I'm the Cowboys, and you gotta
Speaker 1: stack the box, you got to. I mean, you gotta
Speaker 1: force this team to throw the ball. You gotta force
Speaker 1: um Lamar Jackson to try to find Hollywood Brown, to
Speaker 1: try to find a Willie Snead out there. And you
Speaker 1: gotta trust your corners out there. Look, I know Holly Brown,
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown. He can, he can run. He's a he's
Speaker 1: a deep threat guy. But I mean I don't see
Speaker 1: him as being Oh my gosh, we gotta double team
Speaker 1: this guy. We gotta keep him under wraps. Like I
Speaker 1: think you can single cover him. You just can't let
Speaker 1: him get over the top. And then Willie sneed. I
Speaker 1: mean Willie teams like a tight end out there. I
Speaker 1: mean he's slow. Oh he's out the guy. So really,
Speaker 1: so you stack? I think you stacked the box. I
Speaker 1: think you shave the safety over towards Hollywood Brown, just
Speaker 1: because he can beat you the Dez. He doesn't have
Speaker 1: the wheels anymore. He can get you on the fifty
Speaker 1: fifty balls, but he doesn't have the wheels anymore. I
Speaker 1: think you leave a corner on him except for the
Speaker 1: red zone because we all know those jump balls. He's
Speaker 1: still got that explosive ability. So for me, you gotta
Speaker 1: stack the box. You gotta shut down this run. You
Speaker 1: gotta force Lamar Jackson to throw the ball. Wait, Church, Church, Wait,
Speaker 1: who do you so when you stack the box and
Speaker 1: you get Lamar Jackson running read option, you know, giving
Speaker 1: it or playing off the defensive end, which one on
Speaker 1: our linebackers. Do you do you put in a situation
Speaker 1: to where he has the quarterback, which one do you
Speaker 1: trust out of all of them? I put I put
Speaker 1: at all of them. I put Vanderish. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know that's not the greatest solution, but look, Jalen Smith,
Speaker 1: he can't move side to side. I mean we've seen
Speaker 1: it time and time again. He's a straight, straight, vertical guy.
Speaker 1: He can run when it goes straight line, but if
Speaker 1: you're go on side to side, he just doesn't have
Speaker 1: that ability to move that way. And I don't think
Speaker 1: at all. We see what Kyler Murray was able to
Speaker 1: do to just gut in the open field, Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: is ten times worse than open field. So I put
Speaker 1: vander Esh as far as the read option rules apply.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be tough. Man. You can't leave a
Speaker 1: spy on him because he'll make that spi look ridiculous
Speaker 1: in the open field. I guarantee you that's a situation
Speaker 1: that you will see the entire game to where they're
Speaker 1: they're getting one on one and seeing who they're gonna
Speaker 1: have taking the quarterback, because depending on who that is,
Speaker 1: if it's if it's a big time mismatch. Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: will be keeping that thing and turned the corner often.
Speaker 1: You know they might want to team. They might, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think they would do this, But I think
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas that line. I think with the linebacker we
Speaker 1: got Joe Thomas, I think he'd be a better, better
Speaker 1: situation to handle Lamar's running versus a Vander esh and
Speaker 1: a Jalen Smith. But I don't I don't see him
Speaker 1: cracking the lineup with Shaun Lee Bean in this game
Speaker 1: on Tuesday between the Ravens and the Cowboys. You're talking
Speaker 1: about six and five Ravens team that is looking outside
Speaker 1: the playoffs. I mean, you know playoffs starting today, they're
Speaker 1: not in. They're a third place in the division. You know,
Speaker 1: Cleveland is ahead of them, and of course the Steelers
Speaker 1: are gonna go ahead and win that division. So this
Speaker 1: could be a desperate team. And Lamar's coming off the
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen lists. I don't know if he had it
Speaker 1: or not, if he tests a positive or he was
Speaker 1: close to someone who did. But I'm expecting Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: the reigning MVP, to be a desperate player who decides,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna put this on my back.
Speaker 1: And what's the one thing I know about this Cowboys defense.
Speaker 1: They can't stop the run. So I'm gonna see what
Speaker 1: these guys can do. So I think I'm expecting Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson to come out here and put on a show.
Speaker 1: And you know, whether they run run some routes out
Speaker 1: there or some guys and he decides to take off.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just expect this to be the Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson Show on Tuesday. It could be, and he needs
Speaker 1: it to be because I mean it's started to the
Speaker 1: chirps of everybody around and starting to say, hey, Lamar,
Speaker 1: he can't win the big game. I mean, he's been
Speaker 1: in the playoffs twice. He's been exited twice in the
Speaker 1: first round. So he needs to have a good display
Speaker 1: these past couple of games just to reassure himself with
Speaker 1: the with the Ravens, because if he goes out, if
Speaker 1: he goes out there and they don't make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't know. So man, you
Speaker 1: know what, Church, We're gonna keep this thing. We're gonna
Speaker 1: play it back on Tuesday on Monday when we make
Speaker 1: our pictures. Right now, it sound like you're leaning toward
Speaker 1: the Ravens and then my mom, you know, for them,
Speaker 1: for them to get the six wins, that you would
Speaker 1: be leaning toward the Cowboys. So, nah, I'm listening. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be hard. It's gonna be hard, but no, I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't a little bit. I dug my grave, man,
Speaker 1: and if I gotta lay in it, I gotta lay
Speaker 1: in it. So I'm gonna go with the Cowboys. Man.
Speaker 1: We'll see if that changed my Monday, but we go ahead.
Speaker 1: So let me ask this to you guys watching the game.
Speaker 1: So you know, we're watching the game here, and obviously
Speaker 1: you know we're looking at the Ravens specifically. But I
Speaker 1: kept seeing t J. Wat in the backfield, and they
Speaker 1: kept coming into my mind over again, how much they
Speaker 1: talked about TJ. And I think of Taco Charleston. I
Speaker 1: just keep felt thinking Taco Charleston decided to take Taco
Speaker 1: Charlton over TJ. Watt, And and there was not you know,
Speaker 1: when you look at their collegiate you know, careers, t J.
Speaker 1: Watt was a much better player, you know, just the
Speaker 1: mistake that the Cowboys made. And I was looking at
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus and they came out with their with
Speaker 1: their All Pro list and they had Tank Lawrence second
Speaker 1: team All Pro. And I'm just thinking, what could Tank
Speaker 1: Lawrence and t J. Watt, What could they be together?
Speaker 1: In my mind, I'm thinking von Miller d Ware of
Speaker 1: what they were able to do in Denver and create
Speaker 1: havoc and just just what Dercus Ware could have had
Speaker 1: with another with that kind of guy on the other
Speaker 1: side of him, beside Taco Cho. What a miss? What
Speaker 1: a tragic miss by the Cowboys in the draft room
Speaker 1: that day. It's a It's a tragic miss because I
Speaker 1: mean Taco he's been bouncing around since he left, since
Speaker 1: he left Dallas, and he's never kind of produced to
Speaker 1: what t J. Watt has been able to do. But
Speaker 1: I gotta get back to to your to your initial statement.
Speaker 1: They got the Marcus Lawrence as a what as a
Speaker 1: as a second team what? All Pro? Yeah? Who was this?
Speaker 1: Pro Football focus? Yeah? Oh? Man, ain't nobody, man, that's
Speaker 1: at Chris Collinsworth. Jump man, Ain't nobody wants that? If
Speaker 1: y'all don't know, man, I don't like Chris Collinsworth. Man.
Speaker 1: But that's all. That's a story for another day. And
Speaker 1: you listen. You have a lot of stories for another
Speaker 1: day that I cannot wait to hear down and break
Speaker 1: this all down. You know, my listening, My list listens, Yo, listen, Yo, listens.
Speaker 1: It's right there with mine. It seems like, you know,
Speaker 1: I like this jerif you don't like Chris, I like
Speaker 1: se Man. I can't stand here. Knew it, knew it.
Speaker 1: Do you get do you get the Cowboys the pass
Speaker 1: for passing up on what? Since they ended up getting
Speaker 1: back in the fourth round, does that kind of even
Speaker 1: it out or not? No? No, no, because I I
Speaker 1: saw both players playing college and Taco Charlton had a
Speaker 1: good senior year and it took him, you know, basically
Speaker 1: four years to get there. And also, this is one
Speaker 1: of the this is one of the damning things because
Speaker 1: I lived in Ohio. If you're a good player in Ohio,
Speaker 1: they pretty much keep you there. This guy was from COLUMBIU.
Speaker 1: He was from Columbus, Ohio, and they didn't even offer
Speaker 1: huh and man walking down the road, We're good, We're good,
Speaker 1: I mean really, so hey listen, Oh wait wait wait
Speaker 1: wait wait wait Church did Ohio State? Uh? Did they
Speaker 1: any of those big time schools offer you nah? But
Speaker 1: I ain't from Ohio though. You know what I'm saying. No, no,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm just talking. I'm just talking about something.
Speaker 1: Sometimes those colleges mess up, man, and they let some
Speaker 1: of the good talent get out of there. And Church,
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, Will McClay said, said, my
Speaker 1: man church. He's a picture of church on the wall
Speaker 1: of their Toledo Man Toledo legend. It's just church. I was.
Speaker 1: I was induct into the Hall of Fame a couple
Speaker 1: of years back. So so so, sometimes sometimes those schools
Speaker 1: mess up, man. They didn't mess up on Taco now,
Speaker 1: as we've seen. But sometimes those sps mess up, and
Speaker 1: then you know, they don't look at some of the
Speaker 1: right talent. They let some of them get out of there.
Speaker 1: And even at my bad church, I know you're not
Speaker 1: from Columbus. I know you're from Pittsburgh, bro. I know
Speaker 1: you black and yellow. Get black and yellow from Eve.
Speaker 1: But but Danny, I go back to this simple thing.
Speaker 1: If you look at their careers and what they did
Speaker 1: in the Big ten, T J. Watt was far better player,
Speaker 1: far better, absolutely absolutely, and they messed up talking about
Speaker 1: he didn't fit the scheme. Um rot Marinelli was wrong.
Speaker 1: He was absolutely wrong. All right, we gotta take a
Speaker 1: break here, we gotta take a break. Um, the one
Speaker 1: player who has exceeded your expectations this year? Who's the
Speaker 1: one Cowboys player? We'll all pick that guy, will do
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, but in every season there comes an opportunity
Speaker 1: for someone and they call it next man Up. And
Speaker 1: I wanted to get your opinion on who's the one
Speaker 1: player who outperformed your expectations coming into the twenty twenty year.
Speaker 1: I'll start with you, Danny McCrae. You know what, man,
Speaker 1: I'm going with the secondary position man, my safety. His
Speaker 1: name is Slick. What's his name? Church? Donovan Wilson. Donovan Wilson, Mister, listen,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. When we were coming into
Speaker 1: the season and we were talking about how ha Clint
Speaker 1: Dix and how he was going to perform and who
Speaker 1: was gonna beat him Mountain, who was gonna be the starters?
Speaker 1: I never thought Donovan Wilson was gonna be what he's
Speaker 1: been for the last few weeks. He's been out there
Speaker 1: making some incredible plays, making some big tackles, talking some turnovers,
Speaker 1: being in the right position, although he does miss a
Speaker 1: few tackles every once in a while, as far as
Speaker 1: safety play, over the last three three to four weeks,
Speaker 1: he's been a shining light. So I'm giving it to him.
Speaker 1: You know, he's you know, people started off rough, but
Speaker 1: the way he's been able to pick it up with
Speaker 1: this defensive turning around a little bit at this part
Speaker 1: of the season, I gotta say he's the guy for me. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I mean he he kind of reminds me
Speaker 1: of a young Wilcox out there. So I get that one,
Speaker 1: I got two. I got two. I'm gonna throw out
Speaker 1: there man. First, I'm gonna throw out Dalton Scholtz. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I gotta give it to the guy, because look,
Speaker 1: when Blake Jarmon went down with his injury, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody thought Blake Jarlin was gonna be the guy, the
Speaker 1: vertical threat. He was gonna beat our Travis Kelsey and
Speaker 1: then when he got hurts and it went to Dalton Scholtz,
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, here we go. We're just gonna
Speaker 1: have another blocking tight end in there, and that's and
Speaker 1: that's how we're gonna do it. But he was able
Speaker 1: to go out there and become kind of a security
Speaker 1: blanket out there. I mean, he's wins a lot on
Speaker 1: his one on ones no matter who he's going against
Speaker 1: safety's linebackers, and he's able to win on third down
Speaker 1: no matter which quarterback is out there for him. So
Speaker 1: for me, I gotta say I've been pretty impressed so
Speaker 1: far with Dalton Scholtz and his ability to play tight
Speaker 1: end and my other guy that I'm gonna throw out there.
Speaker 1: Y'all gonna hate on me and all that good stuff
Speaker 1: because y'all the captains of the haters cru but I
Speaker 1: got double g all right, this is not he came
Speaker 1: in there that Look, he didn't get the win, he
Speaker 1: did not get the word, but he he started out there.
Speaker 1: He needs to be out there. He showed he has
Speaker 1: the moxi the confidence to be out there. Y'all want
Speaker 1: to keep rapping with the with the red pistol, pure
Speaker 1: perl all you want to, but I'm going with my
Speaker 1: guy Double G. Man know he gets this dude off here.
Speaker 1: I was talking about can I can I question the
Speaker 1: one player who's outperformed your expectations for twenty twenty and
Speaker 1: you're gonna pull out a dude that expectations squad who
Speaker 1: had expectations for Double nobody did, and he went out
Speaker 1: there and he performed better than we all thought he
Speaker 1: were going to Pittsburgh. I thought of the question just haters.
Speaker 1: I mean that that's all it is, just because y'all
Speaker 1: hate this, knew it. The dude that went from picking
Speaker 1: the Ravens and saying RG three is gonna have a
Speaker 1: big game yesterday MS saying that that Double G is
Speaker 1: the player. First of all, you shouldn't have had two players.
Speaker 1: She just left it that one, and then I can, man,
Speaker 1: what's brow? Yeah, I'm I'm trying to thig out, man,
Speaker 1: did you make where you asking me to talk about it?
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm trying to break this down so you
Speaker 1: can understand the question. Y'all could keep riding with the nerve.
Speaker 1: You can go ahead and load that thing up with
Speaker 1: those soft butts y'all can keep doing that. But I'm
Speaker 1: telling that's where I'm saying you won't see this season. Church.
Speaker 1: I agree with that on Dalton Schultz. Dalton Schultz was
Speaker 1: the guy I wondered was he gonna make the team?
Speaker 1: I really did because I just wanted this guy even
Speaker 1: gonna be, you know, a contributor. Could he make that
Speaker 1: that that leap? And and he has and he started
Speaker 1: the NFL season, He's shown us he can do something
Speaker 1: that when Blake Jarwin comes back. I think that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have two really good tight ends and and if
Speaker 1: the mccainn kid can developed and become more of a blocker,
Speaker 1: I think that the Cowboys at three tight ends that
Speaker 1: can go out there and do the job. And it
Speaker 1: can be a position that the Cowboys um don't have
Speaker 1: to put draft resources into next year because they got
Speaker 1: to really heavily invest in this defense. From my opinion,
Speaker 1: so for me, the guy who's outperformed the expectations I
Speaker 1: had for twenty twenty. Dalton Shultz going back to training
Speaker 1: camp when I saw him, and I had questions, So yes,
Speaker 1: and and Danny, I appreciate you um answering the question
Speaker 1: with with legitimacy instead of making it. You just agreed
Speaker 1: with my answer a Dalton Shultz. Are you are trying
Speaker 1: to add another one the first one? And now you're
Speaker 1: gonna act like I don't know what I'm whatever due whatever. No,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we're gonna take a break. We're gonna take
Speaker 1: a break from this. But Barry's foolishness, Man, Barry got
Speaker 1: foolishness going on here. Man, whatever I don't know it is.
Speaker 1: Barry has turned to a back pedal king. Man, he
Speaker 1: turned to the backpedal king. I remember when Dalts and
Speaker 1: Shows went out there and he dropped the pass in
Speaker 1: that first game, when when Jordan went out and Church
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, what is it doing? The
Speaker 1: lights were too quite weak? Blast me? We just sacking
Speaker 1: blast for me now now, were just putting the words
Speaker 1: off Church. Never anything. Hello, hello, Hello. We didn't all
Speaker 1: come on this show and say that the lights might
Speaker 1: might be too big for Dalts and Shows because when
Speaker 1: he got in the game, he was out there dropping passes.
Speaker 1: That's not what we said. Yes, oh man, come on,
Speaker 1: where's the receipt, Yes, receipt. I'll gonna find it for you, bro,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find anybody. I'll promise you I'm gonnnna find
Speaker 1: it for you. I'm not gonna let you lie your
Speaker 1: way out of listen. I'll be wide going to find
Speaker 1: it for you. Backpedal, King Kid, BP King Church, you
Speaker 1: said like the President. I never said that. I didn't
Speaker 1: say that record got you on. Take great. He's a
Speaker 1: great place, a great producer. He can find it if
Speaker 1: it's there. But it's not there. You know he's not
Speaker 1: gonna finding that quick. I'm gonna find it for you.
Speaker 1: Don't worry, but you're gonna find so. CB ain't gonna
Speaker 1: find it, but you're gonna find it, all right. I
Speaker 1: don't want him to work that. I don't want I
Speaker 1: wanted to do how the extra work. I'm gonna find it.
Speaker 1: This this conversation won't come up again because it ain't true.
Speaker 1: Come back when we come back, because I need a
Speaker 1: break from this this church foodlessness. When we come back,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's agent strikes again. I tell you this was
Speaker 1: not good. Discuss this on the flip side of the
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Speaker 1: Todd France is the agent for a Cowboys quarterback, Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: And for me, what really struck me as I watched
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott leave the football field against the Giants with
Speaker 1: that leg injury that ended his season, and you see
Speaker 1: Dak with tears in his eyes, is knowing that his
Speaker 1: agent allowed him to play without a long term deal.
Speaker 1: I just thought that was wrong all day long. And
Speaker 1: now Dak is going into the offseason and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: say they're going to keep him, but will they franchising
Speaker 1: or get another deal? So he's back to square one
Speaker 1: and trying to get a deal done. His agent, Todd France,
Speaker 1: had a total of three clients, including Dak Prescott, who
Speaker 1: are a franchise deals and not one of them got done. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's an agent who switched agencies after Okay, after the
Speaker 1: franchise tags were not done, switched agencies. And now I'm
Speaker 1: from what I'm hearing and reading he's gonna be able
Speaker 1: to make more money with this new agency, and he's
Speaker 1: gonna be bringing these three clients over here and making
Speaker 1: these three big deals. Well, Bud Dupree was one of
Speaker 1: those guys who was having a very good year with
Speaker 1: eight sacks Steelers linebacker and guests who had a tourn
Speaker 1: acl yesterday against the Raiders. But dupre and I'm sitting
Speaker 1: to myself saying, you know what, man, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Two guys, two guys with season ending injuries now going
Speaker 1: into the off season without contracts. I'm sorry, I just
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I just that to me does
Speaker 1: not feel like an agent taking care of the clients. Showman.
Speaker 1: That's just me your thoughts. Yeah, listen, So me and
Speaker 1: knew he talked about this offline, and in Dak Prescott's case,
Speaker 1: I see it a little differently than Budd Priests. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know the ins and out of
Speaker 1: how much bud du Prees was asking for how much
Speaker 1: they were willing to give. But I know on that
Speaker 1: side he was missing a year and then he may
Speaker 1: have been looking to be trying to get closer to
Speaker 1: forty versus thirty five. They had some little things and
Speaker 1: and and that like believed in himself and knew he
Speaker 1: was gonna go out there and play his way until
Speaker 1: forty million dollar contract. And minus the injury, which which
Speaker 1: is a football thing, like injuries happened, all right, Minus
Speaker 1: that the dude was going to make more money than
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had offered him based on the way that
Speaker 1: he was playing up until he got hurt. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, for him, he was betting on the stuff
Speaker 1: and he got hurt. I don't know what budd preest was.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it just don't work out. It's really unfortunate that
Speaker 1: it's two of his clients that go in without a
Speaker 1: deal and end up, you know, hurt the way that
Speaker 1: they do. Now, so I feel you, nui, But you know,
Speaker 1: some of these players just better on themselves and they
Speaker 1: and they tell agent they don't want to take a deal.
Speaker 1: And at some point the Asian got to say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: all right, well let's play it out. And and and
Speaker 1: I'll say this and this is me and having covered
Speaker 1: the league a long time, Pittsburgh is a place that
Speaker 1: when guys lead, they usually have regrets on on like
Speaker 1: man you know that place wasn't so bad. I remember
Speaker 1: before they paid Antonio Brown, the other receiver that had
Speaker 1: was Mike Wallace. That was the guy that that Roethlisberger
Speaker 1: was going to. And Wallace wanted you know, he wanted
Speaker 1: more money than Pittsburgh was willing to pay. So he
Speaker 1: got mad and they let him go and he went
Speaker 1: down to Miami, signed a big deal at Miami, and
Speaker 1: then he washed out of the Antonio Brown they gave
Speaker 1: to Antonio Brown that money that he didn't want. Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown became a star, putting together Hall of Fame career.
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown leaves mad at the Steelers, and that when
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown says, boy I had it good at Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: and this defense, a guy like Bud Dupre is able
Speaker 1: to put up numbers on and you got t J.
Speaker 1: Watt on the other side, you know that, you know,
Speaker 1: the family commitment to winning up there in Pittsburgh. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure on if if Todd Franz even was
Speaker 1: able to even no negotiate numbers with him. I mean,
Speaker 1: he could have done them like he did the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: where he wasn't even on the phone with the game.
Speaker 1: But I'm sorry a linebacker. Brother, let's in a pandemic.
Speaker 1: Let's get some money. Let's get you locked up here,
Speaker 1: Let's get yourself some money. Because now he's going out
Speaker 1: on the market with a torn acl and it's decemble. Okay,
Speaker 1: good luck trying to get a deal done. Dak Prescott's
Speaker 1: a quarterback, so yes, he's gonna get paid. We've talked
Speaker 1: about all the different places where Dak Prescott can go,
Speaker 1: but dupree, I don't know what that market is gonna
Speaker 1: be for for a guy coming, you know, off the
Speaker 1: linebacker three four with with with a torn acl. I
Speaker 1: just don't know, man, Uh, y'all hear me now, oh okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm bad man. Yea, I hear your church had
Speaker 1: a little technical difficulties. The bows kind of add on
Speaker 1: your boys, so I know it's kind of echo in here.
Speaker 1: But ain't died. How did it die? How did it die?
Speaker 1: Always got some when I put it on the put
Speaker 1: on there and said you have three hours and thirty
Speaker 1: minutes of life, and then out of nowhere just clicked
Speaker 1: on on me. So, oh, man, don't blame that on
Speaker 1: the bones like that. Don't even gonna know. No, man,
Speaker 1: stop that stop that. You got three hours? Will you
Speaker 1: turn the thing on? It says how much battery life
Speaker 1: has left? That's what Absolutely, they never told me three
Speaker 1: hours to cut off in thirty minutes, you mean, boats
Speaker 1: are dumbfounded by this. Right now, I'm saying, you're in shock.
Speaker 1: I had no idea the Bows was going to do that.
Speaker 1: So I apologize, gentlemen. Here's what I do. Okay, here's
Speaker 1: what I do. After the show. I take the bows headphones, Okay,
Speaker 1: I take these, and I go plug him up. Soon?
Speaker 1: Does the show in? Soon? Does it end? Does it sound?
Speaker 1: Never let him die? I never let him die. I
Speaker 1: never let him die. And then this this this light
Speaker 1: right here, okay, slight, I plug it up. I plug
Speaker 1: it up man, And and I mean, come on now,
Speaker 1: this is this is a simple STU, simple maintenance. You're
Speaker 1: not doing church church. You know you got to come
Speaker 1: on here with your phone have dead man. You gotta
Speaker 1: be better about this, man, I need you to get better.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I feel like winning Emmy winning
Speaker 1: reporters out here. My bad. You know. I try to
Speaker 1: catch up. I mean I try to get in my
Speaker 1: game up to your status. And then when I get there.
Speaker 1: You know, I have a conversation. I'm not bad. I
Speaker 1: forgot who I was talking like, you do all this
Speaker 1: if you do it all the swiping, you do it
Speaker 1: all the swiping. He was, he was on the Last Dance,
Speaker 1: He was on the Last Dance documentary. You know, I
Speaker 1: forgot who I was taught. Church. If you don't want
Speaker 1: to play that way, Church, don't play that way. Church,
Speaker 1: if you don't want to play that way, shutting us. Hey,
Speaker 1: that was a little shot at Bowls. Was saying, hey, man,
Speaker 1: my Bowes told me three hours on the spot like that. Bro. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying what happened. But shout out the bowls.
Speaker 1: Then they usually keep a fresh and keep my tunes blasting.
Speaker 1: But you know, today it was just not. It was
Speaker 1: just not today. You know they didn't have their energy
Speaker 1: drink in the morning. It is what it is. You're
Speaker 1: doing the Scott Burrell. You know you are you are
Speaker 1: Scott Burrell today. You know that you are Scott Burrell today.
Speaker 1: That's who you are. You aren't here like Scott Burrell. Man,
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, man, come on, man, say you
Speaker 1: know what they say, man, bring your headphones and nigga sounds. Bro,
Speaker 1: bring your headphones and nigga s I will I will
Speaker 1: be blast into my waggle beas have everything. It's on
Speaker 1: a platyform. You're sitting right there. You can buy, you
Speaker 1: can buy all the who would you want for yourself?
Speaker 1: I just want, I just want to let you know
Speaker 1: that if that's the way and the cowboys do end
Speaker 1: up pulling this off. See new Hello, Wait, hello hello.
Speaker 1: We only got to listen Hello, Nui where we listen
Speaker 1: because church be backpedaling again. So nui when I'm playing
Speaker 1: the group message that that church said we can't order
Speaker 1: whatever we want? He said hell no with exclamation points.
Speaker 1: Now you're if you're talking about ordering of wagon. I
Speaker 1: seen you the scream shide, I see, I see the
Speaker 1: look of confusing on your face. That is what you said.
Speaker 1: Wait this ain't women so so so what's the deal.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be able to order what we want? No,
Speaker 1: we just saying I don't know one who said I
Speaker 1: don't know one who said that. We listen no Red
Speaker 1: Place Bro, none of that Kobe beef, none of that stuff.
Speaker 1: And you're talking about ordering a bottle of ship. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's cemented now it's cemented, no waggle beef. I
Speaker 1: said this already, So so Church, you're still paying for
Speaker 1: Gret Gilbert with no faith in the do But the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are gonna win the division. I'm just how does
Speaker 1: this stuff work? How does this work? In your mind?
Speaker 1: It'll work, man, I don't worry about how it's gonna work.
Speaker 1: It's gonna work. I just don't worry about that. And
Speaker 1: if if it, if it don't work, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: down with the ship, all right. If it don't work,
Speaker 1: that's what happens. That's how it goes down. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna jump out like some cats. I know. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna jump ship, all right. The only one that jumped
Speaker 1: ship was new He Listen, make sure you got your
Speaker 1: life best on, bro, because that ship is going down.
Speaker 1: Put it's gonna get down with the band. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go down like a Titanic with it, you know me,
Speaker 1: jagged Allden, We're going down with it, fake puns. Yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be no nice music while the while
Speaker 1: the ship shaking singing on this one. Bro, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be an ugly downfall, all right. So I don't think
Speaker 1: you want you're saying, you're saying Anonymous is gonna family
Speaker 1: come out when when when the ship goes down, Anonymous
Speaker 1: to be out Jay Way first because they're not gonna
Speaker 1: be in the playoffs, because because none of this is
Speaker 1: probably gonna get released, and then they're gonna go talk
Speaker 1: to Jane, and then Jane gonna come out and say,
Speaker 1: I want to say the name. Oh man, I tell
Speaker 1: you all right, you know what, man, I'm tapped out. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm tapped out. I'm tapped out. I am I'm tapped out.
Speaker 1: Since since mix shots went over, we're gonna do Chris
Speaker 1: being a solid. We're gonna end the show one minute
Speaker 1: early here, okay, So we'll be back on Monday. All right,
Speaker 1: No players lounge on Friday. Will be back on Monday
Speaker 1: to get ready for the Cowboys as they get they
Speaker 1: will take on the Baltimore Ravens in Baltimore December eight
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, So Tuesday Night Football for Buried Church and
Speaker 1: Danny mccrab newis Scrugs and our producer, the Great Chris Being.
Speaker 1: Thank you for checking us out and we'll chat with
Speaker 1: you on Monday. Take care everybody, and we're gonna have
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