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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody, and welcome to the Fantasy Flecked Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am your host, Chris Raybon.

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Speaker 2: I'm here at one of the top fantasy rankers in

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Speaker 2: the game in Sean Kerner, and for today, I'm real

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Speaker 2: excited because we got a very very special guest. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna be talking all about quarterbacks, and who better to

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Speaker 2: Also the man who is the reason that I'm even

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Speaker 2: if it wasn't for this man. So I am proud

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Speaker 2: to welcome mister JJ Zacharyeston to the show.

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Speaker 1: What's up? JJ? I mean, look, look man, well, first off,

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Speaker 1: write me that's that scathing review of an article that

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Speaker 1: Here's why. In my response to him was, hey, why

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it, And yeah, it was it was a

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Speaker 1: JJ.

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Speaker 2: I really want to get your opinion on trade Lance

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Speaker 1: He ran the ball twenty four times in those two games,

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Speaker 1: It's just that scoring really favors mobile quarterbacks, it favors

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'll weigh in, but with Sean, what

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Speaker 2: do you I really I agree with JJ on this,

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Speaker 2: but where are you on on Trey?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously I loved him last year as probably

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Speaker 1: But I mean, you gotta love the blend of Russian

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Speaker 3: Especially you need to get get him outside of the

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Speaker 3: only reason I'm cautiously all in is because they still

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Speaker 1: That's that's gonna suck.

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Speaker 3: But Kyle Shanahan reiterated today that Trey Lance will be

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Speaker 3: me feel comfortable. Targeting him here, but he also has

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Speaker 2: I don't even think we need caution anymore. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Like it's I think it's around.

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Speaker 2: I mean we've seen Kyle Shanahan do this with with

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Speaker 2: run with him. He's anti fragile, like it's this is

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Speaker 1: I mean we've seen it historically, we know the systems there.

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Speaker 1: To him for that.

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Speaker 1: Well, he just it's like he doesn't have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like looking at ADP, it almost seems like Trey

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Speaker 2: Field should be where Trey Lance is. Like everyone like

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Speaker 2: he's criminally underrated. I think he's a very good receiver.

434
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Speaker 2: But they really don't have anything else on the offensive line,

435
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 2: you know, the receiving room. I mean, equanimy of Saint

436
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,760
Speaker 2: Brown might be a starter. Like, so Sean, like, how

437
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,439
Speaker 2: do you kind of fact throw these things into your

438
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:05,879
Speaker 2: projections for fields?

439
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,440
Speaker 1: And where does he kind of land? Yeah?

440
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 3: So, I mean any negatives you have with justin fields

441
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,439
Speaker 3: aren't his fault. It's the organization's fault. So you know,

442
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 3: they lost Alan Robinson, so they brought in Byron Pringle

443
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,879
Speaker 3: and drafted Velis Jones. Like they did a terrible job

444
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 3: surrounding fields of talent, and they still have arguably the

445
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 3: worst offensive line, which is gonna be brutal for fields.

446
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,680
Speaker 3: But if anything, that's going to force him to run

447
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 3: more So, the only reason you take him here is

448
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,119
Speaker 3: due to his rushing upside. And he's still, you know,

449
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,240
Speaker 3: a talented passer, so he'll probably be able to make

450
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 3: the most of what is a shitty situation. So I

451
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,200
Speaker 3: think that, yeah, QB seventeen, that's the range where it's

452
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,920
Speaker 3: okay to you know, bank on a guy's upside and

453
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,719
Speaker 3: if he doesn't pan out, so be it. But you know,

454
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 3: as a talent, I still love Fields and you know

455
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 3: the Bear shame on the Bears for giving him like

456
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 3: zero help. But I think just given his rushing upside,

457
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,880
Speaker 3: that that's going to be able to overcome a lot

458
00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 3: of obstacles that he has unfortunately going into your two.

459
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Speaker 2: Yeah, when I look at Fields, and to be clear,

460
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 2: I would he's another guy just like Trey Lance.

461
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Speaker 1: I would.

462
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Speaker 2: I would draft him well above adp JJ mentioned it

463
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,160
Speaker 2: probably should be about three four spots higher. But here's

464
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Speaker 2: why I like justin Fields and JJ you kind of

465
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 2: alluded to it. Week nine at Pittsburgh seventeen of twenty

466
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 2: nine two hundred and ninety one yards and a touchdown

467
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 2: eight for forty five on the ground, got hurt in

468
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 2: the Baltimore game. Comes back Week fourteen, eighteen to thirty three,

469
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty four yards, two scores against Green

470
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 2: Bay with seventy four on the ground, and then and

471
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 2: then the last game he starts twenty six of thirty

472
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 2: nine two hundred and eighty five yards one touchdown, and

473
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,159
Speaker 2: then another thirty five on the ground. Those are his

474
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 2: last three games where he and he finally got volume

475
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 2: in the first like five six starts that he made.

476
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:51,719
Speaker 2: He really wasn't.

477
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 1: He was. He had training wheels on.

478
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 2: Like when he got normal volume, like a normal quarterback,

479
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 2: it took a normal amount of dropbacks, which now that

480
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 2: there's a new coaching staff, we can't say, we can't

481
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 2: think that he won't. He was. He was a productive,

482
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 2: decent guy where at least he had a floor even

483
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 2: when he wasn't playing well. Their team wasn't playing well.

484
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 2: And I think the defense is going to be bad too,

485
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 2: So I think he will get like a decent amount

486
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 2: of dropbacks and if he runs even better.

487
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I love me some justin fields.

488
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 2: And then a third guy in his Konami co rank,

489
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Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson j J, it will you play man?

490
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Speaker 1: Up until about like three weeks ago, I thought it

491
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 1: was going to be I thought it was going to

492
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 1: be a season long thing. Yeah, like pretty confidently too,

493
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: like like, but the NFL, you can't really use logic

494
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: with these suspensions a lot of times, and you just

495
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 1: you know, you don't understand it. But you know, I

496
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 1: think that with Watson, if you're looking to draft him,

497
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, I do think that you have to give

498
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Speaker 1: your situation some context, and you have to understand what's

499
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: going on within your league and the kind of league

500
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 1: that you're drafting in. You know, if you're talking best ball,

501
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 1: I would not be drafting Deshaun Watson with only one

502
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: other quarterback. I'd only be getting in with a three

503
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: quarterback build. You know. And then when we're talking about

504
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: a regular season long league, we have to remember that

505
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: this is not like having a player drafting a player

506
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 1: at a discount like Alvin Kamara, where you know, with him,

507
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 1: you know there might be a suspension, there might not

508
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: be a suspension. We don't fully know yet, but his

509
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: position is just so valuable in fantasy football, and so

510
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: with Kamara, you know you're getting him Let's say like

511
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 1: if this if a six game suspension happens or something,

512
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: and you get him in like the fifth round or

513
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: something like that, you're getting massive value when he's actually

514
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: playing and you get that replacement level player when he's

515
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: not playing. But when it comes to Watson, you know

516
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: that baseline replacement level player at quarterback is a lot higher,

517
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: it's a lot better, and so the advantage that you're

518
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: really getting with a player like Watson just isn't as

519
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: strong as what you're going to get from a running

520
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: back or a wide receiver. I mean, we saw it

521
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: with like Le'Veon Bell. He was seemingly like suspended or

522
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: something like for like five straight years in Pittsburgh, and

523
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, it just seemed like every year there was

524
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: something going on and people would hold on to him,

525
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: and that opportunity costant. Holding onto a player like that

526
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: makes a lot more sense than holding onto a player

527
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: like Watson. Like if Watson gets eight games, let's say

528
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: let's say that he's out for about half the year,

529
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: you know that's eight games where you're holding him onto

530
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: your bench, and there's a cost involved in that. There's

531
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: a cost and holding that bench spot because you're not

532
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 1: able to fill up that roster with guys off the

533
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: waiver wire. So what I would say is it depends

534
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: on how deep then your bench really is within your league.

535
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: Like if you have a four team bench, and you're

536
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: using that with Deshaun Watson, who plays a position in

537
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 1: fantasy football that really is not that big of a deal,

538
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: and you can get a guy like Trey Lance, who

539
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 1: realistically could produce fairly similar numbers in terms of fantasy

540
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 1: production as a Deshaun Watson, who, by the way, didn't

541
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: even play last year. You know, I would much rather

542
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: just go that route and have that spot on my bench.

543
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: But you know, I understand the upside, and I understand,

544
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, from like a tournament standpoint and such, in

545
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: a best ball format having that for that like Big Week, sixteen,

546
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: Week seventy, I totally understand that logic. But I think

547
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: in a regular managed like typical home league that a

548
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: lot of people playing, it's gonna be really tough for

549
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: me to draft a guy like Watson when I know

550
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: that quarterback is relatively replaceable and you're gonna want to

551
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: use that bench, especially during the front half of the

552
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: season when so much crazy stuff is going on in

553
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: your waiver wire. Yeah, I a gratu.

554
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: It's just hard because he doesn't even go into the

555
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: I R slot like you know, a normal injured player.

556
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,479
Speaker 2: Sometimes nowadays, leagues are giving you these ir slots, especially

557
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 2: once COVID hit like a lot of weeks kind of

558
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: changed it up and like they'll give you one or

559
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: even two sometimes slots where you're not really it's not

560
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 2: really counting against your roster. But Watson would be suspended

561
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 2: so he's not injured, so that there's really no way

562
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: to like productively stash him unless you have a ridiculous bench.

563
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 2: But Sean, I'll ask you, uh over under point five

564
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: games suspended per charge like.

565
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: More games essentially, like.

566
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: Man, it's impossible to say, right it sounds like it'll

567
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,239
Speaker 3: be under But either way, this is a decision that

568
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 3: you personally have to make based on your risk tolerance.

569
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 3: I've been staying away. I am confident in my ability

570
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 3: to construct my roster, to manage my team in season,

571
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 3: to not really bank on Deshaun Watson only getting four games.

572
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 3: It really is frustrating when it comes to say, like

573
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 3: an Amari Cooper, you still have to project him out.

574
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 3: You know, how many games will Deshaun Watson play has

575
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: a huge impact on him. But in general, you know,

576
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: this is something that hopefully we get clarity on soon

577
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: and we don't have to be you know, ringing.

578
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: Our brains around this.

579
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: But as of right now, just based on everything you

580
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 3: guys said, it's probably not worth the risk, where you

581
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 3: know someone like Alvin Kamara probably is. So Deshaun Watson,

582
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: I personally have not been drafting him at all, but

583
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: based on the league, based on your risk tolerance, there

584
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: are spots where I can, you know, get behind it.

585
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, until we know concretely that he won't be suspended

586
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: for the year, think you want touch him because even

587
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: in best ball, I mean, like what, you're either going

588
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: to have to draft a third quarterback, which I personally

589
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: don't think you should be doing, or you're gonna already

590
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: cut yourself off from half to seeven even if he

591
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 2: does play. So it's it's really tough to find a

592
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: spot for him. But let's go to this next tier.

593
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 2: I kind of call him the high upside pocket passer tier.

594
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: Great description, very apt, you know.

595
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: I mean, No, there's cause there's three There's three guys

596
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 2: in this tier, and now each of them you have

597
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: reasons to like them. It's Derek carrt QB thirteen, It's

598
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins at QB fifteen, and then two a tongue

599
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 2: of Iloa at QB sixteen. So I want to talk

600
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 2: about each of these guys somewhat in depth. Uh so, JJ,

601
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: let's start with Carr. I think, you know, when I

602
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: look at him, I'm I think, like, Canny be this

603
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: year's Matthew Stafford, especially with Adams now until like there's

604
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: usually one of those pocket passers that's completely unsexy that

605
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: goes outside the top twelve that kind of inches into

606
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: like that eleven ten to nine spot, Like is that

607
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 2: car this year?

608
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean it might be like this is one of

609
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: those things that that I, you know, this is why

610
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: I strive for the mobility at the quarterback position, and

611
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: they're rushing at the quarterback position. Because you mentioned Matthew Stafford.

612
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: I think if you were to pull someone like just

613
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: a random, random sample of fantasy players, like casual fantasy managers,

614
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: and you were to say, you know, where did Matthew

615
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: Stafford rank and points per game last year? Where did

616
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow rank and points per game last year? A

617
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: lot of people would probably say, oh, they were top

618
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: five quarterbacks in fantasy, but they weren't. You know, They're

619
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: they're low end qb ones and that's generally the kind

620
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: of ceiling that you will end up getting from these

621
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: players unless one of two things happens. You either get

622
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: an absurd amount of volume across the entire season, which

623
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: volume doesn't even necessarily drive things, you know, nearly as

624
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: much at the quarterback position as people think. But you know,

625
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: if you do get an absurd season like we did

626
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: last year with Tom Brady and volume and he was

627
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: efficient too, don't get me wrong, But if you get

628
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: that kind of volume, it's going to be helpful. But

629
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: then on top of that, it's really touchdown variants, right,

630
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: it's really touchdown rate and and you know a touchdown

631
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: rate is a metric, you know, just touchdowns about it,

632
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: by attempts. It's a metric that does tend to regress

633
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: year over a year. But better quarterbacks are going to

634
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: be a little bit better in the touchdown rate statistic.

635
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: You know, Russell Wilson's been really really efficient, uh and

636
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: touchdown rate throughout his career. We should expect that moving

637
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: forward because he's a really good quarterback. But you know,

638
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: if you get over like the six percent mark, the

639
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: six and a half percent mark, you can expect a

640
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: little bit of regression there. And if you look at

641
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: Derek Carr in his entire career. He's never really been

642
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: that guy ever throughout his career, and so I do

643
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: think there's at least some concern if Carr, you know,

644
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: I personally think that car has gone from being overrated,

645
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: you know, early in his career to then underrated, and

646
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: it's just it's been a really weird, uh career trajectory

647
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: for him from like a real NFL standpoint, and so

648
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: maybe the market reflects that in some way with him

649
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: in fantasy. But I really think that that, you know, sure,

650
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: is he one of these you know, high upside pocket

651
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,479
Speaker 1: passers this year that I could see having a decent

652
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: season and being a low end QB one for sure?

653
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: I Mean he's got DeVante Adams, got Darren Waller, he's

654
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: got Hunter Renfro, He's got a really good trio to

655
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: throw to, and hopefully this offensive system can help him.

656
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: But is he like the guy within this group that

657
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely targeting. I just don't think it's necessary because

658
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: really what this comes down to with a lot of

659
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: these pocket passers is that touchdown barrin Gon, where are

660
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: you on a car? I think similar of him?

661
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: You know, he's coming off a career high forty eight

662
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 3: hundred passing yards last year. I think we're going to

663
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 3: see some aggression there. I'm projecting him closer to forty

664
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 3: five hundred. But when it comes to passing touchdowns, that's

665
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: where I think DeVante Adams will help him out. I mean,

666
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: he hasn't taught thirty passing touchdowns since twenty fifteen, but

667
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: I have right there this year because I think, you know,

668
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 3: when you look at least he's still going to have

669
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: Hunter Renfro and Darren Waller. You know, they're good in

670
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: the red zone, but he really hasn't had that other option.

671
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 3: Last season, he had twelve in zone targets to Brian

672
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: Edwards and Zay Jones and they caught one of those

673
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: for a touchdown. So I mean having DeVante Adams is

674
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: going to add a handful of touchdowns I think over

675
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: Brian Edwards and Zay Jones, and it's just gonna be

676
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: hard for defenses to cover all three guys when they're healthy.

677
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: So that's why I thought your description of him as

678
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: a you know, high ceiling pocket passer is pretty apt

679
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: this year because normally you would draft cards just because

680
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: he has a pretty high floor but I just think

681
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: with Adam's there, I'm not saying he's gonna have a

682
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 3: forty touchdown season, but I think, you know, it's fifty

683
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: to fifty odds he'll crack thirty. So I think he

684
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: does have that upside with those yards that are he's

685
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: gonna have a ton yards again this year where he

686
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: definitely could sneak into at QB one tier this year.

687
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I'm comfortable, you know, because I always try

688
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: to look at you know, Jaj you mentioned at the

689
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: top some I thought was really important about how you know,

690
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: there's really not a big spread between all these guys

691
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: in terms of their scoring. So I like to do

692
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: is look at certain players at their adyp's and say,

693
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: how could I replicate this production waiter? And maybe it's

694
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: not Brady because Brady's just you know, he's in a

695
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: class of his own. But when I look at a

696
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: guy like Matthew Stafford going at QB eleven, I'm like,

697
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: I can wait a few more, Like I'm fine just

698
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: completely passing on him, like getting zero Matthew Stafford this year,

699
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: And if I got Derek Carr every single time instead,

700
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: like I wouldn't, I wouldn't mind that at all, So

701
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: that that's kind of where I am on Car. I

702
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: love him in best Ball because I do think you know,

703
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: you can kind of stack him with his receivers.

704
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: It's not cheap.

705
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: But you know, if there's any quarterback that's gonna kind

706
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: of have a great season because of his receivers and

707
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: of that bump, it is Derek Carr.

708
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: So that that's kind of the way I'm approaching him.

709
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: But there's another quarterback that the second guy mentioned, Kirk Cousins.

710
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: JJ.

711
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: I mean, he's already kind of balling. He's last.

712
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: I mean Justin Jefferson crazy, right, you get Justin Jefferson

713
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're throwing sixty eight touchdowns and

714
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: twenty picks over the last two years. And now you

715
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: get Kevin O'Connell, you know, coming over so offensive minded

716
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: coach finally after the zimmer era. You know, maybe he

717
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: actually likes Kirk Cousins this time, you know, I mean,

718
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: Cousins will finally have a coach that likes them.

719
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: But I'm intrigued.

720
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: I will say this, I'm intrigued my cousins, you know,

721
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: with O'Connell, with Jefferson de wand still out here catching touchdowns.

722
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: Er Smith should be back.

723
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: It still got down and cook kJ Osmond was a

724
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: good number three as well. So I like Cousins, But

725
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: what do you think of kurk headed in this year?

726
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I mean you mentioned the arbitrage with like

727
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: Derek Carr to Stafford. I feel the same way about Cousins,

728
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: Like if you want to even wait a little bit more,

729
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like it's that dramatic, but it's

730
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: it's like they're in this like same grouping, And so

731
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: I prefer Cousins at ADP over Car at ADP. Right,

732
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: I think they're in the same like tear ish, you know,

733
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: if you were to look at it from that perspective.

734
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, look, we generally need semi outlier

735
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: seasons from these pocket quarterbacks for them would be like

736
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: really valuable in fantasy football. We need touchdowns, we need

737
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: higher touchdown rates, and you're getting the coordinator from LA

738
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: that as I mentioned earlier, Matthew Stafford last year had

739
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: one of the highest pass rates UH at the goal

740
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: line and that really drove that eighty percent passed to

741
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: rush touchdown rate that the Rams had. And so really

742
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: what you're looking looking at this and you're saying, okay, Minnesota,

743
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: what if they pass a little bit more, what if

744
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: they're a little bit more aggressive at the goal line

745
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: through the air. Then all of a sudden, you can

746
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: see Kirk Cousins being essentially this year's Matthew Stafford. And

747
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: don't downplay Justin Jefferson at all either, because the last

748
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: two years, as you alluded to Raybond, the last two years,

749
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins has been a low end QB one in

750
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: points per game with Justin Jefferson in the mix. So,

751
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean we've seen this before from Cousins. I think

752
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: that you know, I don't generally draft guys this, you know,

753
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: this late in the double digit rounds just for them

754
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: to like meet expectation or just gain a little bit

755
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,479
Speaker 1: of value, because you're not necessarily gonna win your fantasy

756
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: leagues that way. But from like a best ball standpoint,

757
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: like that's that's okay to have Kirk Cousins, especially as

758
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: like your QB two, where we know that he can

759
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: have these spiked weeks. You know, if you're looking at

760
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: it from a tournament perspective, he gets a favorable Week

761
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: seventeen matchup that could be high scoring, and so I

762
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: I just think Cousins is in a really really good

763
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: spot this year to at least succeed ADP. I don't

764
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: know if he's gonna be like QB seven, but maybe

765
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: he gets into like the QB nine range. You know,

766
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 1: maybe he can get there. And I feel similarly about

767
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 1: Derek Carr, and so if I'm looking at the two

768
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: of them, and Cousins a little bit cheaper, I'm just

769
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: gonna prefer Cousins over a guy like Car.

770
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. You know, it's like

771
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: it's like Car is the Stafford, Cousins is the Car.

772
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: It's like, at some point you probably have to take

773
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: a quarterback. But Sean, what do you think of Cousins?

774
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's got everything around.

775
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: Him looks pretty good. Yeah.

776
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 3: No, I think that the scheme change is going to help.

777
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 3: Should be more up tempo, pass heavy offense. He's still

778
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 3: linked up with arguably the best receiver in football right now,

779
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 3: and Justin Jefferson Adam of Feelin should still be a

780
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 3: reliable red zone target. And he gets my boy erv

781
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 3: Smith back this year. I think that's gonna be huge.

782
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 3: I still have Earthsmith's upside, and it sounds like they're

783
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 3: trying to get Delvin Cook more involved in the passing game.

784
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 3: So what's not to like about Cousins. I will say

785
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: that when it comes to like Derek Carr and Kirk Cousins,

786
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 3: I think of them as like two QB leagues super

787
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: flex league specialists. I mean, they they provide a super

788
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: high floor. You can project them for all seventeen games

789
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 3: because their pocket passers not running around getting hit, you know,

790
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 3: like they're they're way more likely to stay healthy all

791
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 3: seventeen games. And they do provide sneaky upside this year.

792
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: So I think these two guys, like I love them

793
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: and two QB and super felt flex leagues. I think

794
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 3: they're super viable for that. And then like I said,

795
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 3: like best ball, I love Viking Stacks stacking with Kirk Cousins.

796
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: If you get Justin Jefferson, Flan irv Smith, like I love.

797
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: Viking Stacks because of this new steam. So here's here's

798
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: the toughest one.

799
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: Because like to them man like I it's like I

800
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: love Tyreek. That's one of my that's been one of

801
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: my favorite players since he entered the league. He's he's

802
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: going to change everything about that Miami offense just because

803
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: he's got so much grab.

804
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: He's like Steph Curry, Like, he just changes.

805
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: The way that the entire past game will be defended.

806
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: But with that being said, you know, just from a

807
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 2: purely statistical standpoint, there's not a lot to like about

808
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: what Tua has done thus far in the National Football League.

809
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: Just six point six yards per attempt over six hundred

810
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: and you know, post to six hundred and eighty attempts

811
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: in the league thus far, twenty seven touchdowns, fifteen picks.

812
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: You know, touchdown rate of four percent.

813
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: Nothing really jumps out tobrs when under fifty, you know.

814
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: So JJ, I mean, you know you mentioned, you know,

815
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: you could go from Stafford to Car. You could go

816
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: from Car to Cousins if if you can't get a.

817
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: You know, a mobile guy.

818
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 2: But do you feel the same way about Tua because

819
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: of Tyreek or are you a little bit more down

820
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 2: on him?

821
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: Yeah? So, I mean I think that the the the

822
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: barecase for him you kind of laid out. I mean,

823
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: like we don't know if he's really it yet, Whereas

824
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: we have a better sample, we have a better idea

825
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: of how good you know Derek Carr and Kirk can be.

826
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: But if you want to only the bullish case with Tua,

827
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, part of the reason that his numbers have

828
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: been so bad is that it's not really his deep

829
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: ball ability. It's his deep ball tendency. He's just not

830
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: throwing a deep at a high rate whatsoever. Over the

831
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: last two years, the average across the NFL and fifteen

832
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: plus air yard throws has been about seventeen percent, So

833
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: quarterbacks with throwing seventeen in their past seventeen percent of

834
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: their passes fifteen or more air yards. Tua two years

835
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 1: ago as a rookie was at fourteen point eight percent.

836
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: Last year is at thirteen percent. So he was he

837
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: was just dinking and dunking. That's why Jalen Waddell was

838
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: able to do what he did last year as well,

839
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: you know, with the in terms of his reception total.

840
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: But it's the same deal too if you want to

841
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: look at twenty plus ariyards. But regardless of how you

842
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: look at it, his completion percentage on those throws has

843
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: actually been pretty strong. He's been better than like a

844
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: Derek Carr, He's been better than a Tom Brady in

845
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: completion percentage on them Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, Russell Wilson,

846
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: And so I'm not saying he's a better deep ball

847
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: passer than them. You know, obviously, if he's not taking

848
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: those shots as frequently and a lot of those guys

849
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: are are taking more risks than chances are, their completion

850
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: percentages likely dropping a little bit. But at the same time,

851
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: it's it's at least interesting that he's shown that that

852
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: that he might be able to, uh throw it deep.

853
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: But then the other thing too is, you know, I

854
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: don't know if we actually see the aggression that you know,

855
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: we're I'm talking about here and that we're alluding to

856
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: within this Mike McDaniel offense, because Mike McDaniel's coming from

857
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: that Kyle Shanahan tree uh and in that San Francisco offense,

858
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: like I talked about earlier. You know, they just like

859
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: to get their playmakers in space, which is why I

860
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: think they wanted a player like Tyreek Hill, because Tyreek

861
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: Hill isn't just a deep threat like people think. I mean,

862
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: he's he's very good at crea. I mean, he can

863
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: play running back realistically, and so you know, he can catch,

864
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: he can catch past his close a line of scrimmage,

865
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: as Jalen Waddle did last year, create a lot of

866
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: yards after the catch, and that might not really do it,

867
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: you know, from a fantasy perspective, and to increase these

868
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: numbers for Tuah. And so I do think there's at

869
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: least that concern where you know, in fantasy. You know,

870
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: I've I seen a lot of people talk about how

871
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: like the market generally can dictate. You know, if multiple

872
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: wide receivers and a tight end are being drafted in

873
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: the top twelve and the top twenty four, whatever, then

874
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: that quarterback generally does well. Right Like Alex Smith back

875
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: when he was in Kansas City, you know, he would

876
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: have like Tyree getting drafted early and Travis Kelsey being

877
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: drafted early. So Alex Smith is bound to do well

878
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: in fantasy, and we generally do see that within the market.

879
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: The market is telling us that Tua, you know, should

880
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: be like a fringe top twelve quarterback. But I do

881
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: think that we should still be at least a little

882
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: bit concerned that this offense is really gonna sort of

883
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: fit what Tua has done and done well the first

884
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: couple of years in the league, which is be an

885
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: accurate passer and not really throw the ball down the

886
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: field that much. And what that does is the pass

887
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: catchers on the team can still be fine in like

888
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: a half PPR or full PPR format because they're getting

889
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: so many looks just overall, they're just not getting those

890
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: chunk plays. And so that's where the concern I think

891
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,240
Speaker 1: is in lies with Tua right now. I would still

892
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: prefer a car Cousins over him, but I at least

893
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: understand the alord because if they do air it out

894
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: a little bit and throw the ball down the field,

895
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: I think that Tua, if he does get aggressive, I

896
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: think that he might be Okay.

897
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's just it's like you wonder how much of

898
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: that was a function of just they didn't have that guy,

899
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: you know, like they have Tyreek Kue. But you know

900
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: there is a certain stickiness even to that like deep

901
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,479
Speaker 2: pass attempt, you know, tendency, like you know, certain guys

902
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: that like to get the ball out and throw underneath

903
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: tend to continue to do that. But it would he

904
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: should be more efficient, Like you shouldn't average six point

905
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: six yards per attest like he should. He should get

906
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: to at least seven this year. Sean do you kind

907
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: of agree with that sentiment.

908
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, there were a lot of

909
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 3: reasons why they didn't allow him to throw the ball downfield.

910
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 1: One of them was the offensive line was terrible.

911
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: You could tell just the way they would game plan

912
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: was around the offensive line being terrible. And you know,

913
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: they brought in Will Fuller, the deep threat specialists to

914
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 3: sit on the ir all seasons, so that didn't really

915
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 3: help you out. So I think, you know, it's almost

916
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 3: the opposite of justin field, where I feel like the

917
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 3: Dolphins did everything possible to help to out entering year three.

918
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: They even revamped offensive line.

919
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: You know, they brought in toront Armstead, Connor Williams, so

920
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 3: I think he will have more time to throw the

921
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 3: ball downfield. And honestly, you don't have to with Tiger Kill.

922
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 3: Just giving Tyreek Kill a slant five yeards out, he

923
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: can take it to the house. Same thing with Jayalen Waddall.

924
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: Like both of those guys on the field at the

925
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: same time is scary. So yeah, I love Tua's upside

926
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 3: in this range. He's far thing from a slam duck,

927
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: you know, compared to like a car Cousins. But I

928
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: just love what the Dolphins did to surround him, and

929
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 3: you know they bring over the fore and airs scheme

930
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: that we're talking about is so good when it comes

931
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: to Trey Lance. So it's up to two of us here.

932
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: It's a make or break year for him, but they

933
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 3: really set the table up for him in year three.

934
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm he's going at QB sixteen. I think,

935
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: like there, I'm kind of nude for loan im like

936
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: only because you could get Justin Fields right now at

937
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: QB seventeen. So that's you know, I mean, And that's

938
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 2: kind of the thing with all these guys, which is

939
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: why we're just trying to differentiate them. But of the

940
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: three two, I think I'm still the lowest on him.

941
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: I'm still the most questions, you know, of those three

942
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: guys that you could take, they aren't going to really

943
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:11,959
Speaker 2: be running too much.

944
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: But let's let's.

945
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 2: Jump into this next one. In this one, we don't

946
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: have to go through each guy to in depth. But

947
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 2: jj I just I called this tea like the young guns.

948
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: You know, you have Trevor Lawrence entering year two, you

949
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: have Mac Jones entering year two, and you got Zach

950
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: Wilson entering year two as well to be eighteen is

951
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 2: Lawrence mac Jones is at QB twenty and then Zach

952
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: is at twenty four. Out of those three, if you

953
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: just had a draft one, which one would it be?

954
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: I would go with Trevor Lawrence, you know, of the three,

955
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: you know, every ounce of research that I've done says

956
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: that how all player does during his rookie season is

957
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: pretty predictive of how he's going to be throughout the

958
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: rest of his career. But I do think that with Lawrence,

959
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: who was an unbelievable prospect, we know that he fell

960
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: into objectively one of the worst situations imaginable in year one,

961
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: not only from like a personnel standpoint, but obviously a

962
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: coaching standpoint. And so you know, his touchdown rate was

963
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: obscenely low last year. That's something that's absolutely going to regress.

964
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: He's going to throw more touchdowns this year. I would

965
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: lock that in. It's almost impossible to not throw as

966
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: many touchdowns as he did or throw as few touchdowns

967
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: as he did last season. And of these three guys,

968
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: I think Trevor Lawrence brings the most rushing juice. He

969
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: was a super athletic guy in college. He ran the

970
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: ball deascent bit in college. He showed that off a

971
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: little bit. Last year. He's seventy three rushes three hundred

972
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: and thirty four yards in the ground. I don't see

973
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: that ever happening with Mac Jones. You know, maybe Zach

974
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: Wilson can show that off a little bit. But we're

975
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: seeing more change from an environment standpoint. I know that

976
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: the Jets obviously added some weapons for Zach Wilson. And

977
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Zach Wilson's gonna bust or anything.

978
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm just saying from an organizational change, in a scheme change,

979
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: et cetera, it's completely different for Trevor Lawrence this year.

980
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: You know, he he has a coach now that has

981
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: helped quarterbacks be more efficient and be better not only

982
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: in real football, but in fantasy football as well. You know,

983
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: we joke about the contracts they get gave out some

984
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: of their weapons, and I don't you know, I'm not

985
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: saying that, like the Christian Kirk deal was a great deal.

986
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: But Christian Kirk, you know, he performed fairly well last year.

987
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how they're gonna line him

988
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: up because he did a lot of his work from

989
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: the slot, and then they go and get Evan Ingram,

990
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: who's gonna also operate in that area of the field.

991
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: But Travis Etn's healthy, you know, Marvin Jones is still good.

992
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: You know, the weapons are there. It's it's it's a way,

993
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: way better situation for Trevor Lawrence. And again, of these three,

994
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: I think that he's just going to bring objectively the

995
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: most rushing Jews too.

996
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 3: John think question Lawrence, uh Jones and Wilson. I think

997
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: of these three, I gotta go with Zach Wilson. I

998
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: just think he offers the most value at ADP since

999
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: he's going later than you know, the other two. But

1000
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 3: he has the best pass catching talent surrounding him. Out

1001
00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: of the three as well. You know, he's got a lot.

1002
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: I'm high on Elijah Moore entering year two. Garrett Wilson,

1003
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 3: he was my top receiver from this class, and Corey

1004
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: Davis is a bad number three receiver to have. Even

1005
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 3: Brax and Barrios's pretty sneaky at number four wide receiver.

1006
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: And you know they added two decent tight ends I

1007
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: would call them and c j Uzoma and Tyler Conklin,

1008
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 3: And I think the.

1009
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 1: Scheme itself seemed to be pretty fancy friendly.

1010
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 3: Last year, Mike White and Josh Johnson both had three

1011
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 3: hundred plus yard games. Joe Flacco through for over two

1012
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: ninety in his start, so I think the scheme should

1013
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 3: set up well for Wilson. I was a bit disappointed

1014
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 3: to not see him use his legs as much. I

1015
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 3: think we could see that near to We've talked about Raybond,

1016
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 3: but he didn't have a twenty plus yard rushing game

1017
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: since Week fourteen, and then once I happened, he had

1018
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 3: three in the final five games. So I think we

1019
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: will see him sort of untap his rushing up side

1020
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: hopefully this season. So I just think out of the three,

1021
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 3: he offers the most upside and value where he's going

1022
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 3: at QB twenty four.

1023
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually I agree, you know there, I mean

1024
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 2: the sixth, the six spot difference between Lawrence and Wilson

1025
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: kind of does it for me because I do think

1026
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 2: Wilson has better weapons in Lawrence in in New York

1027
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: now with and I think the line is actually will

1028
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: be pretty decent too. And you know, I thought Wilson

1029
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: played better down the stretch last year. You know, Lawrence,

1030
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: it's another new system, you know.

1031
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: So they're just.

1032
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: Things that I think, with the prices factored in, I

1033
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: do think it makes sense to to to kind of

1034
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 2: take that gamble on Wilson. I will say this, though,

1035
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: I think Matt Jones is actually going to have the

1036
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: best real life season.

1037
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: But he's just not. It's just not like he's gonna be.

1038
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: He's probably gonna be like super efficient, like mac Jones

1039
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: could be what we want to it to be, Like

1040
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: he could put up that's like his ceiling, but that's

1041
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: that's the point, that's his ceiling.

1042
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: It's like he's not really gonna run the ball.

1043
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna throw an exorbitant amount of

1044
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 2: touchdowns throughly get into like that cousin cousin upside range

1045
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: or anything like that. But I do think he'll have

1046
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 2: a very efficient season, just with no real rushing production.

1047
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 2: All right, let's do and then so the final tier

1048
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: of three is the tier that I like to call

1049
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: the ogs.

1050
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: They've they've been here for a while or not.

1051
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 2: You know, they're not just young guns anymore. Matt Ryan's

1052
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,959
Speaker 2: at QB twenty one. You got Jamis at QB twenty two,

1053
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: and Ryan Tannehill at QB twenty three. So same question, JJ,

1054
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 2: you got to pick one, Who's it gonna be?

1055
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, I think that each of these

1056
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: guys have intriguing more so Matt, Ryan and Tannehill have

1057
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 1: intriguing stacks, you know, in Bestball four. I guess Jamis

1058
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: does too, because I really like chrysal Lave. But you know,

1059
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: I think that they're all like viable in Best Ball

1060
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: formats is a QB two just depending on on who

1061
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 1: that QB one is. But I think of these guys,

1062
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: I think Ryan Tannehill is probably the most intriguing at cost.

1063
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: You know, the common theme throughout the show has been

1064
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: the mobility aspect of these of these quarterbacks. You know,

1065
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: last year we saw Ryan Tannehill's touchdown rate drop dramatically,

1066
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: but he's still you know, he sort of has that

1067
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: Josh Allen in him where you just sort of assume

1068
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: regression is gonna hit with these rushing touchdowns and he

1069
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: just keeps uh piling him on. He had four touchdowns,

1070
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: four rushing touchdowns, seven rushing touchdowns, and seven touch rushing

1071
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: touchdowns over the last three seasons. And you know, over

1072
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: the last three years also He's QB fifteen ten and

1073
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 1: nine in points per game. Now, I will say situationally

1074
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: and looking at his environment, I don't love it. You

1075
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: have to be buying into or at least hope that

1076
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: Robert Woods can you know, be one hundred percent look

1077
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: one hundred percent close to the start of the year.

1078
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: You have to hope that Craylon Burks lives up the expectation.

1079
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: They don't have that much outside of that. I am

1080
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: a Kyle Phillips stan I gotta throw that. He's gonna

1081
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: be the flat receiver right like.

1082
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 2: It's gonna be, It's gonna hapen, it's gonna be Robert Woods,

1083
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 2: it's gonna be Westbrook, Akina, gonna be Kyle Phillips in

1084
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: the slot, and then everyone's just gonna be like, damn,

1085
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: I drafted Traylon Burks.

1086
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: No sorry, So I mean, look, you're you're you're this

1087
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: late in the draft. I think that you should be

1088
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: throwing darts for upside. And if things break the right way.

1089
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: The offensive line is also pretty bad in tendency at

1090
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: this point, and so if but if things break the

1091
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: right way for some of these pass catchers in Tennessee,

1092
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: like if Traylon Burks is legit, if Robert Woods is healthy,

1093
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, if Kyle Phillips does what I expect them

1094
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: to do in the slot, then all of a sudden,

1095
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, the weapons aren't horrible, and Tannehill does have

1096
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: the mobility and if this offensive line is bad, he

1097
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: might escape the pocket a little bit more.

1098
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 3: So.

1099
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: I do think that Tannehill's probably the best option of

1100
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: these three. Not that I'm like, you know, jumping for

1101
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: joy to get any of these three quarterbacks. Don stand question.

1102
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 2: You got Maddie Ice, you got famous Jamis, and you've

1103
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: got Handy Man.

1104
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to take one though, right, I mean,

1105
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 3: this is got to when when you're drafting these guys

1106
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 3: something went wrong, you know, made you were pretty aggressive

1107
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 3: at running back, tight end, receiver, and you're begrudgingly taking

1108
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 3: one of these guys. I'm gonna have to go with

1109
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: Jamis Winston. I just think he offers the most upside

1110
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: in this range. And you know, Man weeks one through

1111
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 3: seven last year, he did look pretty good. He ranked

1112
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: seventeenth in points per game, and considering he probably had

1113
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 3: the worst pass catching talent around him during that stretch

1114
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 3: last year, and now he gets potentially you know, Michael

1115
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 3: Thomas for week one, Jarvis Landry and Chris o'lave. So

1116
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 3: I do love the upgrade and talent around him. So

1117
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 3: the one concern I would have with Winston is we

1118
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 3: probably won't see as much rushing upside coming off the

1119
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: ACL tear, so maybe that does cap his upside a bit.

1120
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 3: But I still think he has, you know, high end

1121
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 3: QB two sort of potential in this offense if things

1122
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 3: go according to plans. I think alt of these three,

1123
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 3: I don't love any of them, but you know you're

1124
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: forcing me to pick. I'm gonna go Jameis Winston.

1125
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going Jamis as well.

1126
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: You know, I think that I look at his top

1127
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: three receivers, and you know, Michael Thomas, we still don't

1128
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: really know exactly what's going on with him, but like

1129
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: at some point you would think in this season, for

1130
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 2: a good chunk of it, you would still expect him

1131
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 2: to have Michael Thomas, Chris o'lave, who I love him to.

1132
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: JJ, and Jarvis Landry.

1133
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 2: So I just think and then and then Alvin Kamara

1134
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: probably is still back at some point, even if he

1135
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: gets a suspension. So I just like the weapons around him.

1136
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: I still think the old line is average. I'm not

1137
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: a like I don't love Sean Payton, you know, just

1138
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: up and leaving.

1139
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: But car I mean he still we was seeing Pete.

1140
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: Carmichael run, you know, coordinate that offense before and the

1141
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: year Sean Payton was out, and then they threw a

1142
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: ton in that year.

1143
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they had Drew Brees.

1144
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: But I think there was a lot of reasons to

1145
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: kind of be optimistic about Jamis, you know, even when

1146
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: they were hiding him last year. I mean, career high

1147
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: eight point seven percent touchdown rate, career low one point

1148
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: nine percent interception rate. Now granted that was on a

1149
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: small sample of one hundred and sixty one attempts, but

1150
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 2: everything was positive in terms of, you know, the statistics

1151
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: and what he was able to do efficiency wise, and

1152
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 2: that's all we're really looking for. I think Matt Ryan

1153
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 2: is gonna be is a good, good signing for the coach,

1154
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: like probably the best they could have done for what

1155
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 2: they want to do. But it's I don't think it's

1156
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: gonna translate to a ton of fantasy production.

1157
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: And then Tannehill, like the receivers.

1158
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: Are thin, as we kind of talked about, you know

1159
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 2: it's gonna be the Dereck Henry Show. But Winston is like,

1160
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 2: if if there's just some luck where where they say, okay,

1161
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: we need to throw for whatever reason, like they could

1162
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: do it out there, They could air it out if

1163
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: they want to.

1164
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: And Jamis has the arm to do it too.

1165
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: So I'm just looking for upside if I'm picking a

1166
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: quarterback in this range. So I actually I think I'll

1167
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: go Jamis as well. And let's close it with this.

1168
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 2: Let's close it with this, the special, the guy outside

1169
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: the top twenty four and ADP. We'll each chose a player,

1170
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 2: or it could be if if there's multiple guys. But

1171
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: JJ like, if you just had to take a Hail

1172
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: Mary Dark throw on somebody that that outside that top

1173
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 2: twenty four, somebody that we didn't talk about, who.

1174
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: Would it be? This one's easily easy for me. It's

1175
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. Jones. Jones is actually like, like, I think

1176
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm ranked to like you'd be QB eighteen or something

1177
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: like that. Guilty, Yeah, yeah, I mean like same. Here's

1178
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: the thing. Here's the thing. When you build out projections,

1179
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: it's like hard for Daniel Jones to not look like

1180
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: at least better than adp Uh. You know last season, Uh,

1181
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,959
Speaker 1: he threw fewer than one touch passing touchdown per game,

1182
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: but he ran for three fewer rushing yards per game

1183
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: than Kyler Murray did. He had the same number of

1184
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 1: points per game as Derek Carr last year Daniel Jones did.

1185
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: And look, I'm not I'm not someone who just like

1186
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: looks at previous season numbers and that's that's how things go.

1187
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: But I do think that at least gives you some

1188
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: context that we probably just as a marketer, undervaluing Jones

1189
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: just given that he's produced decently while on the ground.

1190
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: You know, historically you get this dable upgrade, which is huge,

1191
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: You get better weapons there. You know, hopefully Canaries Tony

1192
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: is healthy, Wandell Robinson can play the slot, Kenny Galladay

1193
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,919
Speaker 1: hopefully is healthy, Saquon Barkley's back. The offensive line looks

1194
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: a lot better. There's just a lot to like. And

1195
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: the other thing too, what we saw with Dabel and

1196
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm certainly not projecting this to happen, but

1197
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: Josh Allen and Buffalo, Right, I'm not saying that that

1198
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: Dimes is going to be Josh Allen, But what we

1199
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: saw from Josh Allen from a fantasy from a fantasy

1200
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: perspective that we loved is just this like don't care

1201
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: about my body attitude, just kind of go crazy on

1202
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: a football field. And Dabel encouraged it. And we've already

1203
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: seen blurbs and quotes from him encouraging Daniel Jones to

1204
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: do the same thing. And Daniel Jones has not the

1205
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: same Josh Allen skill set. But Josh Allen didn't like

1206
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: test well athletically, like he wasn't this like freak athlete.

1207
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: He's just really good, you know, running the football on

1208
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: the football field. And we see sort of those like

1209
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: same things and same traits with Daniel Jones. So I

1210
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: think that Jones, of anyone going after like the QB

1211
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: twenty or so, has the best shot. And this is

1212
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: crazy to say, but as the best shot to finish

1213
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: as a QB one in fantasy this year, like a

1214
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: lower end QB one, just given the environment that he's

1215
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: in now, the upgrades everywhere, the fact that he runs

1216
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: the football, it's it's the best recipe for like a

1217
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 1: late late late round gem. Yeah.

1218
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 2: I mean, Sean and I have kind of been on

1219
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 2: the same but ever since we started doing our projection.

1220
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 2: It's like, like you said, it's like once you do projections,

1221
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, wait, he's running this much and his

1222
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 2: touchdowns you have to project him to regress like a

1223
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 2: little bit for you know, positively broke through the air

1224
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 2: and he threw those twenty four touchdowns in his rookie yar.

1225
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: Remember he had a couple of.

1226
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: Like four, I think he had three games with four

1227
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 2: plus touchdowns. So it's not like he can't do it.

1228
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: Like it's not like he's just this guy that's broken.

1229
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 2: It's just been a tough situation. But Sean, I'm guessing

1230
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 2: that's where you're going as well.

1231
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when it comes to just pure upside, you

1232
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 3: gotta go with Jones. I was sort of embarrassed and

1233
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 3: ashamed ranking him QB eighteen.

1234
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: So I'm glad I'm not alone.

1235
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 3: But I think the Brian Dable edition, like you know,

1236
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 3: being in his scheme can only help.

1237
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: And you're rabot.

1238
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 3: You mentioned that some people kind of think that Jones

1239
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 3: won't start every game even if healthy. I projected him

1240
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 3: to start, you know, sixteen games this season. I'm not

1241
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 3: too worried about Tyrod Taylor. If anything, Tyrod gives him

1242
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 3: a boost just you know, look at Baker Mayfield, Justin

1243
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 3: Herbert and Davis Mills the past few seasons. So Tyro there,

1244
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 3: it doesn't scare me at all. I think Jones will

1245
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 3: be the quarterback all season, so I don't even think

1246
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 3: he has that love a floor. So if you go

1247
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 3: for upside Gottaga with Jones, I think in two QB

1248
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 3: super flex formats. I love Jared Goff in this range.

1249
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 3: I mean he just I can't believe I'm shilling for

1250
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones and Jared Goff, but here we are.

1251
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: But I love GoF as well.

1252
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 3: I mean he's he's surrounded by weapons, He's gonna start

1253
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 3: all seventeen games barring injury, and again, you know he's

1254
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 3: a pocket passer. I don't think he's going to take

1255
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 3: that many hits. So I love I know you're the

1256
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 3: same way with me. But even in best Ball, I

1257
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 3: love stacking GoF with you know, like a all mall

1258
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 3: Aros S Brown, TJ.

1259
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: Hawkins.

1260
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 3: And they also brought in DJ Chark and Jamison Williams

1261
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 3: in case Jared Goff wants to throw the ball downfield.

1262
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 3: So I just love the talent around golf this year.

1263
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 2: Like I mean, I literally had Daniel Jones and Derek

1264
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 2: go Yeah, sorry, no, no, I'll let you, but y'all

1265
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 2: shine like this is perfect because no, it's because these

1266
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: are I mean somewhat contrarian takes that I think are

1267
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: going to help people. And the fact that, like I

1268
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: guess JJ, because we already we don't even need to

1269
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 2: talk about Daniel Jones anymore. The thing I would just

1270
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,439
Speaker 2: say is this is, like, of the quarterbacks that played

1271
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: half a season last year, he was eighteenth in points

1272
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 2: per game and he's going QB twenty eight. So like

1273
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 2: just even if he had that same season, which he

1274
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: should be much better, he's still a screaming value.

1275
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: So we don't even need to talk about him anymore.

1276
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 2: But I do want to get your quick thoughts on

1277
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: Jared Goff because I've I've kind of felt like I

1278
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 2: was on a little bit about Island. I feel like

1279
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 2: the Lions offense is actually going to be quite decent

1280
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: this year, especially because I think their defense is gonna

1281
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 2: be bad. So for fantasy, like I think it's I

1282
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: think there's gonna be volume, I think there's gonna be

1283
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Speaker 2: comeback opportunities, and then you have, Like the pup list

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Speaker 2: is only four games now, so like even if Jamison

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Speaker 2: Williams starts this year on it, he could be back

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Speaker 2: earlier than you know previously thought like, I just like

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Speaker 2: what's going on in Detroit. But and the line is great,

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Speaker 2: So like, am I crazy? I mean like, I just

1289
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: think Jared Goff could be like instead of like, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know we're talking about like Matt Jones and Trevor

1291
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Speaker 2: Lawrence and Matt Ryan and like Jared Goff could end

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00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 2: up being like that QB eighteen or nineteen, like that

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Speaker 2: unsexy pop past.

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Speaker 1: But I could be bugging So talked to me Jared

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00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: Goff real quick. No, I I think that you're right,

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Speaker 1: Like like of the guys that are going later, I've

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Speaker 1: definitely gotten a lot of golf. The other thing to

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Speaker 1: keep in mind is like the first eleven games of

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Speaker 1: last year, that offense was operating, the passing offense was

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Speaker 1: operating through a tight end and a running back right,

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Speaker 1: and everyone makes a big deal about how a'm gonra

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Speaker 1: Saint Brown only did what he did because t J.

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Speaker 1: Hawkinson was sidelined and DeAndre Swift was sidelined. You don't

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Speaker 1: do what Almin Ross Saint Brown did without being talented

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Speaker 1: and good at football. And not only that, why are

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Speaker 1: we giving t J. Hawkinson the benefit of doubt? And

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Speaker 1: not am and Rossin brought an actual wide receiver DeAndre

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Speaker 1: Swift right, Like, it makes a lot more sense to

1309
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Speaker 1: want to run your offense through a really good slot player.

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Speaker 1: And then you add in Jamison Williams, who compliments Amon

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Speaker 1: Ross Saint Brown perfectly. I mean, you can say DJ

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Speaker 1: Shark does too, but I don't think DJ Shark is

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Speaker 1: that great. Uh but yeah, I mean the weapons are there, man,

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Speaker 1: I mean the weapons are there and set up well

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Speaker 1: for golf to to have, you know, good. I think

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Speaker 1: what we've basically done is found our arbitrage plays for

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Speaker 1: every single player. Now now you can just draft Daniel

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Speaker 1: and Jared Goff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we like Trey Lance, but then we were

1320
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Speaker 2: like we could get justin Field, so forget Trey Lance.

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Speaker 2: And then we're like, you know, maybe maybe maybe Derek

1322
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Speaker 2: Cark or Cousins, so you know, maybe forget those guys,

1323
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Speaker 2: but uh yeah, and then we just ended up settling

1324
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Speaker 2: on golf and damage.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's that's where we are.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's like the Late it's like you didn't

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Speaker 2: even arrive Quarterback, Like they didn't they didn't even buy

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Speaker 2: the the show up. That's the Quarterbacks. I forget late,

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Speaker 2: But now that's this is a great episode, JJ, I,

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Speaker 2: you know, really appreciate you coming on and doing this.

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Speaker 2: I thought you brought, just as always, a very sharp

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Speaker 2: take to just how to approach what I think is

1333
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: a really important position that a lot of people still

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Speaker 2: get wrong.

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Speaker 1: So I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Tell if they don't already know, they probably do, but

1337
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Speaker 2: tell everybody what you're up to where they could find

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Speaker 2: you all that good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm on Twitter at Late Round QB. I'm selling

1340
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Speaker 1: a draft guide right now. It's more strategy focused. It's

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Speaker 1: not really like player profile focused and such. That's over

1342
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Speaker 1: on lateround dot com to check it out in the

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Speaker 1: Late Round podcast. And I gotta say, JJ, I love

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Speaker 1: the draft guide. You know.

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Speaker 2: I was reading it and I was like, like, usually

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Speaker 2: somebody gives you a draft guide and you're reading it

1347
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Speaker 2: and you're like, well, now I got to read two

1348
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Speaker 2: hundred player profiles. So I love the format. Like, people

1349
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Speaker 2: go check out JJ's draft grad. It's really it's it's

1350
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Speaker 2: that crack. It's that crack, so appreciate it. Yeah, and again,

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Speaker 2: thank you for doing this. You can find Sean on

1352
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 2: Twitter at the Underscore Odds Maker, you can find me

1353
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 2: at Chris Raybond, and you can find us both at

1354
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 2: those same handles and the free award winning Action Network app.

1355
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Speaker 2: Be sure to check out actionnetwork dot com for all

1356
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 2: fantasy content as well as our projections and rankings.

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Speaker 1: And we'll be back until next episode. Let's get this money.