WEBVTT - Kelly Wearstler ON: Why Changing Your Environment Will Change Your Mood and How to Access Curiosity to Pursue Your Passion

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<v Speaker 1>Your home reflects who you are. You know, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you collecting, and it's just like how you dress. It's

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<v Speaker 1>such an important part of who we are. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly Whistler.

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<v Speaker 2>She's the famed interior designer of private residences and boutique hotels.

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<v Speaker 1>We were doing three hotels at one time, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was burning the midnight oil and then you lose a

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<v Speaker 1>team because they're burnt out. Saying no is just as

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<v Speaker 1>important to saying yes.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's great life advice and design advice. Before

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<v Speaker 2>we jump into this episode, I'd like to invite you

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<v Speaker 3>The best selling authoring the host the.

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<v Speaker 2>Number one healthy wellness.

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<v Speaker 3>Podcast on Purpose with Jay Shetty.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's guest is a dear friend and an incredibly powerful,

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<v Speaker 2>multifaceted and renowned creator of experiential, residential, hospitality, commercial and

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<v Speaker 2>retail environments, expansive collections of lifestyle product and thought provoking

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<v Speaker 2>brand collaborations. Kelly Weisler has received awards from numerous publications

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<v Speaker 2>and organizations, including Architectural Digests, eighty one hundred, Hall of Fame,

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<v Speaker 2>Elder Cores, The A List, Titans, Wallpaper Magazines, Top twenty Designers,

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<v Speaker 2>and Time Magazines, The Design one hundred, and Vogue's Best

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<v Speaker 2>Dressed List. Kelly has just launched a new book with

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<v Speaker 2>Rissolue titled Synchronicity. Synchronicity features her most recent work for

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<v Speaker 2>Proper hotels as well as several private homes. Please welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to the show, Kelly Wistler. Kelly, I'm really happy to

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<v Speaker 2>be with you because I've had so many special offline

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<v Speaker 2>interactions with you, and I've always loved them because you

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<v Speaker 2>always have this really bright, really light energy about you,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, we'll bump into each other in one

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<v Speaker 2>of the beautiful hotel projects you've worked on, or we

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<v Speaker 2>bumped into each other at mutual friends homes, or you've

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<v Speaker 2>been here too, and I've just always appreciated just how

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<v Speaker 2>thoughtful that you are, how reflective you and I've been

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<v Speaker 2>really looking forward to this, so thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, Oh thank you, Jay.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm so honored to be here and be one

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<v Speaker 1>of your guests and sitting here with you super excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, let's dive in. The question I want to

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<v Speaker 2>start with you is can design make you happy?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, one of the most beautiful parts of

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<v Speaker 1>my jobs is making people happy, which is like I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't. I can't believe I get paid for what

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<v Speaker 1>I do because it's making people happy and inspiring people.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, there's nothing better than designing a hotel

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<v Speaker 1>and going in time and time again and seeing people

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<v Speaker 1>laughing and having fun and listening to music and seeing

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<v Speaker 1>them time and time again, you know, whether they're there

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<v Speaker 1>as a leaser traveler or business traveler, and knowing that's

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<v Speaker 1>their place, that's a local venue for them, just makes

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<v Speaker 1>me feel so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I've been to two of your projects, the one

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<v Speaker 2>in Austin the proper hotel there, and the one downtown

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<v Speaker 2>in LA and they are just spectacular and you're so right.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I remember when I walked in last year, we

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<v Speaker 2>were going to watch f one and so come into

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<v Speaker 2>the Austin and I bumped into you and you were

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<v Speaker 2>listening to the podcast you showed it, Yeah, which is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved it. And then I just looked at this

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<v Speaker 2>one place behind the steps and you have all these

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<v Speaker 2>most beautiful collected like pots and vases and like they're

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<v Speaker 2>just they're so simply and beautifully kept on this like

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of step. I've known you.

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<v Speaker 3>Have such a good memory.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have a picture of on my phone, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's stunning, and it's so interesting to me because

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<v Speaker 2>I think I underestimate growing up just how much spaces

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<v Speaker 2>and esthetics affect on mind. And today is someone who

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<v Speaker 2>wants to live an intentional, mindful life. I find that

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<v Speaker 2>design and interiors and aesthetics play such a big part

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<v Speaker 2>in the mood we experience and how we feel throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the day. What do you think it is about design

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<v Speaker 2>that does make people happy or sad or drain energy

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<v Speaker 2>or bring energy or like you just said, you walk

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<v Speaker 2>into space and people are connecting versus isolated, Like what

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<v Speaker 2>is it about design that's doing What have you learned

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<v Speaker 2>about design?

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<v Speaker 1>People want to see and experience something they haven't seen before,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what you know, I love doing at for example,

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<v Speaker 1>a hotel project, and they also want to feel a location.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know when you travel to say Austin, Texas

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<v Speaker 1>and you remember those beautiful the pottery on the stabs,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean all those were designed by local artisans. So

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<v Speaker 1>really bringing like this local experience and this authentic experience

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, wherever we design, and you know, all

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<v Speaker 1>of our projects are you know, very site specific, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, getting very close to our client and really

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<v Speaker 1>understanding and listening to what the client you know, intentions are.

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<v Speaker 1>There are going to be no surprises, and they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to love to be in their environment and it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to in turn make them happy.

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<v Speaker 3>And inspire them.

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<v Speaker 1>And we all want to live a better life, and

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<v Speaker 1>we all want to look better in our clothing. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's the same thing at home, you know, we want

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<v Speaker 1>to surround ourselves with things that are familiar and make

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<v Speaker 1>us happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I've got a lot of friends in my life

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<v Speaker 2>right now who are trying to redecorate or redesign their homes,

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<v Speaker 2>which can be such a challenging thing to do. You

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<v Speaker 2>obviously worked on some private homes, obviously work on hotels

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<v Speaker 2>and so many other spaces. But if someone's listening right

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<v Speaker 2>now and they're thinking Kelly, like, you know, the book

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<v Speaker 2>looks stunning, Like they've seen your pictures on Instagram. They're like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>that living room looks spectacular. But they're thinking, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I don't have access to a designer. Maybe I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have access to Kelly like, but I do now

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<v Speaker 2>through the podcast, how do I find my creative spirit?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>How do I find that spot to start that process

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<v Speaker 2>in my own home?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, there's something that everyone gravitates towards. And

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<v Speaker 1>I really encourage everyone to go out to museums and

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<v Speaker 1>go to a flea market and go to vintage stores.

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<v Speaker 1>And I always say vintage stores because I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>important for people to see history and see things that

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<v Speaker 1>are soulful and that have had like this life. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's like you know, I love like you know, how

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<v Speaker 1>I design is like there's always an old soul and

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<v Speaker 1>a new spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I love a merging artist and I love contemporary artists,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is you know, parent and everything I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I dress that way as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So really looking at you know, what is something you

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<v Speaker 1>like to collect? Are you you know, interested in art

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe starting there. You know, do you like color,

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you want to have color in your home, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe that's a good.

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<v Speaker 3>Place to start.

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<v Speaker 1>And baby steps and pace is so important because when

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<v Speaker 1>somebody gets their apartment and I've been there, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to get in there and make it amazing

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<v Speaker 3>and enjoy it right away.

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<v Speaker 1>But you really should take your time, like it's really

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<v Speaker 1>important because you're going to really value all the pieces

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll spark a memory, you know. So maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>went to a flea market with a friend and you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to remember that day. Or you traveled with your

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<v Speaker 1>boyfriend or husband and you found this really cool chair together,

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<v Speaker 1>or went to a gallery.

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<v Speaker 3>So baby stepping and being very thoughtful about what you

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<v Speaker 3>start to curate.

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<v Speaker 2>I really love what you said about history and vintage,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's so true. I'll give an example

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<v Speaker 2>of something that happened to me recently. So I remember

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<v Speaker 2>a quote from Robin Sharma which I read when I

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<v Speaker 2>was very young. He wrote a book called The Monk

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<v Speaker 2>who Sold His Ferrari. Their quote the quote read, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's a fiction story, and it's really funny. I read

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<v Speaker 2>it so young but ordinary people have big TVs. Extraordinary

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<v Speaker 2>people have big libraries, and that always inspired me. And

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<v Speaker 2>today I'm fortunate enough to have a beautiful bookshelf in

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<v Speaker 2>our main living room, which is like, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of books I can fill in that shelf.

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<v Speaker 2>And so what I've been doing is traveling and curating

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<v Speaker 2>books for that by myself, because I really enjoy reading,

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<v Speaker 2>but I also enjoyed design. I can't wait for this

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<v Speaker 2>to be right there. While I was doing that, I

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<v Speaker 2>was inside a store. We have a local Buck Mason

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<v Speaker 2>store here in LA and I was inside there. They

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<v Speaker 2>do a great curation and their curator always finds books

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<v Speaker 2>from all over and so I was in there checking

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<v Speaker 2>out their books and they said, Jay, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>if you really want books, you should go to this

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<v Speaker 2>random vintage store down the road. And I'd never seen

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<v Speaker 2>this store, so I start walking around. I walk past

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<v Speaker 2>this store and it looks closed, and it looks really small,

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<v Speaker 2>and it looks really old, and I don't see anyone

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<v Speaker 2>in there, but I start knocking in just to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure this lady comes out and to your the door

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<v Speaker 2>and I say, hey, I heard you have vintage books here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to see them, and she goes, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she binds books. You could see all these like old

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<v Speaker 2>binding materials for like these, you know, massive book covers

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<v Speaker 2>and all of the old machinery and tools and processes

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<v Speaker 2>you would need. And she said, well, I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>sell books, but we have all these books here. And

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<v Speaker 2>she said, I'll tell you. You know, she told me a story.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like, when I got divorced from my husband,

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<v Speaker 2>who used to own loads of bookstores, I got half

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<v Speaker 2>the books. So she goes, I just have thousands and

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of books. Some of them are here most of

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<v Speaker 2>my home. I said, well, I'd love to look through them.

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<v Speaker 2>So I started looking through these books and I was

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<v Speaker 2>discovering like early editions of really special books, and I was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, starting to make a list, and I got

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<v Speaker 2>a whole pile out, and she she was really like

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't care. She was like, you can take them

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<v Speaker 2>for free. And I was like, no, no, no, I'd love

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<v Speaker 2>to pay for them, like you know, this is such

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<v Speaker 2>a gift. And so I paid them whatever she asked

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<v Speaker 2>me to play for them. And then there was one

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<v Speaker 2>book and she said, I've been looking for this book

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<v Speaker 2>for years and she goes. I couldn't find it because

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<v Speaker 2>it was like all these crease pages and hidden away.

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<v Speaker 2>And she said, do you mind if I don't sell

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<v Speaker 2>this to you, can I keep it? And I said,

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<v Speaker 2>of course. I was like, it's your book if you

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<v Speaker 2>can get it. Was I really wanted it. It was cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd never read it, but it's a little book that

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<v Speaker 2>was called like the Hidden Temple, and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that sounds so cool, like especially with my background. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>she kept that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know that that shop, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>she does bookbinding and there's very few companies that do

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<v Speaker 1>that still, and you know the like I love going

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<v Speaker 1>to a bookstore and just getting lost in the aisles

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<v Speaker 1>and just randomly just pulling books out of something that

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<v Speaker 1>I know nothing about. And there's the Strand Bookstore in

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<v Speaker 1>New York. Love that and it's amazing bookstore. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>so few now, there's a few downtown that are so good.

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<v Speaker 1>But I agree like going and just digging around and

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<v Speaker 1>exploring and discovery and and really it's all about having

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<v Speaker 1>an open heart and being open to all the possibilities

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, enlightening yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the challenges that makes it hard

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<v Speaker 2>to do. What we're both agreeing on is that we're

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<v Speaker 2>so used to now seeing the same thing. Like if

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<v Speaker 2>you're on Instagram and you're following these channels, everyone's posting

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<v Speaker 2>the same kind of interiors, the same kind of rug

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<v Speaker 2>with the same kind of table, which there's nothing wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with that. That's how things get mainstream and bigger and scaled.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you challenge yourself to stay curious and try

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<v Speaker 2>and discover new things? Like? How what do you do?

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<v Speaker 2>What are the practical steps that you take to be

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<v Speaker 2>open minded?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm constantly, you know, in search of something

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<v Speaker 1>new that I'm gonna fall in love with. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know if I go to a gallery and I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>moved and I might see three new materials come together

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<v Speaker 1>in this unbelievable creation and something I've never seen before,

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<v Speaker 1>and my heart stops.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like seeing you know, that cute guy.

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<v Speaker 1>And just like, oh my God, like like you're just

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<v Speaker 1>so moved and it's so inspirational to me. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>that feeling of falling in love and you want to

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<v Speaker 1>keep falling in love and continue to discover and there,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's so many new technologies and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm inspired.

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<v Speaker 3>By pulp culture and.

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<v Speaker 1>AI, which is like such a huge disruptor in the

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<v Speaker 1>you know world of everything.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a major earthquake happening right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, all of our clients are also different, and they come,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're from all over the world, and all

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<v Speaker 1>the architectures different, and the landscape, the view from the

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<v Speaker 1>windows different, so everything truly is one of a kind.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm just always searching, Like you know, I have

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<v Speaker 1>my bar is like super high, and I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to keep doing better and striving, you know, to be

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<v Speaker 1>a better designer.

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<v Speaker 3>And I kind of live that way.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to you know, be you know the best

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<v Speaker 1>mom I can be, the best you know wife I

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<v Speaker 1>can be, and and you know leader at my studio

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<v Speaker 1>for my team, you know, just being inspired and sharing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my love and you know, continuing to make

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<v Speaker 1>people happy.

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<v Speaker 2>If there's people watching and listening right now and they're like, Kelly,

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<v Speaker 2>I just have bad taste, like they're like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I just I just don't, you know, I can't. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what matches like I tribe, but it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>look right like if the people feel like that, like

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<v Speaker 2>have you I'm sure, you've worked with places, people, homes,

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<v Speaker 2>hotels where you kind of see that creative slump. What

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<v Speaker 2>is it that you say to someone who's struggling because

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<v Speaker 2>I just have bad taste. I can't think about this, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>how would you encourage them to think about that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, nobody should.

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<v Speaker 1>Back with all of the visuals in our world, with

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<v Speaker 1>magazines and social media and everything, like, there's so much

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<v Speaker 1>inspiration out there. So it's really just having an open

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<v Speaker 1>heart and being aware and finding your passion and what

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<v Speaker 1>you love and what moves you, like what excites me

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<v Speaker 1>seeing something that I haven't seen before, and you can't

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<v Speaker 1>find that unless you go out and seek it out,

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<v Speaker 1>Like even you might find somebody it's like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I love the way they dress, or I went to

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<v Speaker 1>this home and it was so incredible and inspirational.

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<v Speaker 3>And it happens to me all the time. I'll go

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<v Speaker 3>to a.

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<v Speaker 1>Party and it's like how they set the bar and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like wow, Like I haven't seen that, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>really cool, and I'm going to put it in my

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<v Speaker 1>bag of tricks for the next time I have, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm inspired and I love it. I take photos

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<v Speaker 1>of everything that's like my journal, Like I take photos

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<v Speaker 1>of everything, and every month I always.

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<v Speaker 3>Go back and look at you know, what has.

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<v Speaker 1>Inspired me, and you know, I share it. I like

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<v Speaker 1>to share it with you know, my team and in

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<v Speaker 1>social media and just see you know how my I

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<v Speaker 1>wanders and what excites me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you're spot on. When I was on

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<v Speaker 2>my tour this year, I took so many pictures around

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<v Speaker 2>the world of stores, arts, fabriaks, textures, details, like there

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<v Speaker 2>were so many things that I was like, wow, I

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<v Speaker 2>would never have thought about that together.

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<v Speaker 1>Or and there's a pattern, Like that's why you'll discover

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<v Speaker 1>like your style, Like would you Jay, if I say

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<v Speaker 1>what is your style?

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<v Speaker 3>What would you say?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, the way I dress or the way I like.

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<v Speaker 1>Myself does inherently because they go like how somebody dresses

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<v Speaker 1>and before you answer that question, like I always I

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<v Speaker 1>have clients who'll say, you know what, like I really

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure exactly what I like. And I'm like, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to go in your closet and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to see, like what you gravitate towards.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it all neutral? Like do you like pattern? Do

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<v Speaker 3>like little bits of color? Is it modern? Is it

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<v Speaker 3>more minimalist and like the answer is there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely. I'd say that my overall style is I

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<v Speaker 2>try and wear something that's a more or not where

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<v Speaker 2>I try everything to have more of an untraditional silhouette

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<v Speaker 2>or something that's hopefully a bit thoughtful. I like my

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<v Speaker 2>spaces to be very calm and very approachable, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think about everything like a sanctuary, So I think about

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<v Speaker 2>the energy that it has even more than the item.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think when I'm especially putting my spaces together,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Okay, well, what how do I want to

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<v Speaker 2>feel when I walk into this room? And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even when we had a tiny apartment back in New York,

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<v Speaker 2>which we lived in like the six hundred square four apartment,

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<v Speaker 2>every corner of our apartment was thought about in that way,

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<v Speaker 2>like what can we put in this corner to make

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<v Speaker 2>it feel special? Or like how do we differentiate between

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<v Speaker 2>the bedroom and the bathroom when it's like in the

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<v Speaker 2>same space, right, Like what do you do whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>a scent, whether it's something you see. I even think

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<v Speaker 2>about like what's the first thing I see in the

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<v Speaker 2>morning and what's the last thing I see at night?

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<v Speaker 2>All of these kind of things to me are really important,

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<v Speaker 2>And like you said, it could be an art piece,

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<v Speaker 2>it could be pottery, it could be a picture of

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<v Speaker 2>your family. Like I think it can be anything and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think we don't often use visual hues and esthetics.

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<v Speaker 2>We think of it so esthetically that we forget how

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<v Speaker 2>emotional it is, if that makes sense. We think of

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<v Speaker 2>it as like, Oh, that's just about looking cool and

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<v Speaker 2>being cool. It's not about feeling a certain way. But

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<v Speaker 2>to me, like even when I walked in today and

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the cover of your book and I was like, oh, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>that looks beautiful, like I wanted to feel it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to I was drawn towards it. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, what's the texture like? And I think

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<v Speaker 2>when we were kids, that's how we approach things. When

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<v Speaker 2>you're a kid, you see something cool and you want

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<v Speaker 2>to touch it, you want to press the button, you

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<v Speaker 2>want to And I think as adults, I think we

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes lose that. Do you, ever, how do you feel

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<v Speaker 2>about Do you think that as children we are naturally

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<v Speaker 2>that way and that you are connected to your childlike

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<v Speaker 2>feeling or is that is that something else?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm like the most curious person and that drives

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<v Speaker 1>my passion, and you know, I'm just I want to

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<v Speaker 1>know how something's made.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to know, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love going to artist studios and seeing how

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<v Speaker 1>how they operate. I love going into a creatives home

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<v Speaker 1>and just see how how they organize. Curiosity is such

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<v Speaker 1>a big driver. And I just love the imagination, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And it started when I was like really little I

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<v Speaker 1>had When I was about seven years old. We would

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<v Speaker 1>go visit my grandparents and our you know, cousins and everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would make these little designs, like I would

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<v Speaker 1>take like an a carton and do something interesting, you

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<v Speaker 1>know with it. I would make little cards for the

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<v Speaker 1>family to buy, and you know, blank cards or a

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<v Speaker 1>drawing on it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I would.

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<v Speaker 1>Pack everything up and I would take it and put

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<v Speaker 1>it on my grandparents' table and put little price tags.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in business.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to make money because my mom was always

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<v Speaker 1>taking my sister and I to the flea market. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's where I really started educating my eye. Going to

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<v Speaker 1>the flea market and not having any money.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not fun.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, I'm just going to like start making

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<v Speaker 1>money myself, you know. And it was a great fun

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<v Speaker 1>thing to go. And now I can go to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these vintage stores and flea markets that my mom would

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<v Speaker 1>go to all the time and be able to shop.

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<v Speaker 1>So just in going to these and being very curious

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<v Speaker 1>and just seeing and also I was educating my eye

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<v Speaker 1>from you know, a young age.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, And I think that that's It's fascinating how

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<v Speaker 2>much you pick up from those moments and those times

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<v Speaker 2>about what you gravitate towards. And I always wonder whether we've, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>whether we block that as we get older and we

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<v Speaker 2>start to follow a more status quo or start to

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<v Speaker 2>follow a more rhythmic routine like approach to our spaces

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to like that childlike, as you said, curiosity,

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<v Speaker 2>but also that I don't know, that kind of contagious

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<v Speaker 2>feeling you get. I guess how do you know when

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<v Speaker 2>how do you know, as Kelly, when you're saying, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to be patient. You were just saying that

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<v Speaker 2>when someone moves to an apartment or to a home,

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<v Speaker 2>they should take their time. How do you know when

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<v Speaker 2>you should take your patients with an item or when

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, no, I need to buy it now. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost like taking your example of the cute guy.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you know when this is the one to

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<v Speaker 2>be with or whether you feel like you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Settling, Like that's such a good question.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's intuitive, I think, you know, and the more

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<v Speaker 1>that you see and the more that you know what's

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<v Speaker 1>out there, like you're you're you know what the anomalies

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<v Speaker 1>are and what's really special. But it is, it's an

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<v Speaker 1>intuitive feeling. And working with clients and you know, these

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<v Speaker 1>projects that we work on can take two years, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>five years, and so really taking our time to find

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<v Speaker 1>things that are meaningful and that the clients trulier are

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<v Speaker 1>going to you know, they're going to live with these

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<v Speaker 1>pieces and and it makes them feel good. Also, when

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<v Speaker 1>you when you're working and buying things to your house,

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<v Speaker 1>you should have like a hierarchy. Everything can't be super expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's where if you want to buy something new

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<v Speaker 1>and you want to you know, have a really amazing

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable sofa versus you know, piece of art is knowing

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<v Speaker 1>where to spend the money like a sofa you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have, you know, probably for a shorter time. Where

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<v Speaker 1>you have a piece of art and you invest in it,

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<v Speaker 1>it brings a memory and it's so personal that you

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<v Speaker 1>can take it with you in your next uh, your

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<v Speaker 1>next home.

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<v Speaker 2>So you just incurage everyone to spend more money on

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<v Speaker 2>the the comfies uh that you said every day?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can know because it's just it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's furniture, and it's so it's so true what you

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<v Speaker 1>said about how just with social media and everything is

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much sameness out there, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>your your home reflects you know, who you are.

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<v Speaker 3>Your home, you know, reflects who you are. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>what what are you collecting?

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<v Speaker 1>And and you know, it's just like how you dress,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's such an important part.

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<v Speaker 3>Of who we are.

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<v Speaker 1>And don't you look like when you do zoom meetings?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you checking out what's behind them?

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<v Speaker 3>I know? And it says a lot about about the person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and I'm looking at all these amazing things behind

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<v Speaker 1>you and like as all of this are these all

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<v Speaker 1>personal choices?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So what we tried to do. So my biggest

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<v Speaker 2>goal for this space, obviously this space is just so

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<v Speaker 2>everyone who's listening and watching you know that we're in

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<v Speaker 2>my podcast studio and this room is only used to

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<v Speaker 2>record the podcast. And so our goal was I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>it to feel intimate because a lot of production sets

0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:29.360
<v Speaker 2>have like thirty people on them, and I find conversations

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<v Speaker 2>like this to be much more intimate and close, and

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<v Speaker 2>like this is how I would sit with a friend,

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<v Speaker 2>So that was a key need. The second thing was

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want it to be packed with too many

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<v Speaker 2>other people, because I think that removes the intimacy. The

0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:47.080
<v Speaker 2>choice of art was all to evoke emotion, So I

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<v Speaker 2>chose that piece there with the heart because to me,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to only have heart based conversations here. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what on Purpose is all about. Where we reveal our

0:22:55.440 --> 0:22:58.400
<v Speaker 2>hearts to each other, me included, and even our audience

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<v Speaker 2>and community is opening up their heart to the ideas

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<v Speaker 2>and topics. I genuinely put eyes there through that art

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<v Speaker 2>through because I think eye contact is such a beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>way of being present and being still and being focused

0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:14.000
<v Speaker 2>with someone. And again, these are I'm giving these subliminal

0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:18.000
<v Speaker 2>not messaging, but the deeper meaning behind why these things there.

0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:20.320
<v Speaker 2>This is an African shield and we had that there

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<v Speaker 2>because I wanted people to reminded to put their guard down.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like hanging your shield up, the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>blocks you. And then there were, and they're all pieces

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<v Speaker 2>by people of color. So all the art in here

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<v Speaker 2>were by people of color. And this was to remind

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<v Speaker 2>of the highest good, which is of serving and offering,

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<v Speaker 2>and which is such a big part of the philosophy

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<v Speaker 2>that I followed.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, one question that I had is, because

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<v Speaker 1>you obviously were working in finance and in London and

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<v Speaker 1>you went you became a monk, how has like material

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<v Speaker 1>things and design and fashion you look amazing and superstylish,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, how has that changed for you?

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a good question. I'm so glad you asked

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<v Speaker 2>me that, honestly, because I think that I was always

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<v Speaker 2>interested in fashion and design before I became a monk.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was always intrigued by graphic design. I loved

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<v Speaker 2>college art and design was one of my favorite subjects

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<v Speaker 2>at school, and I did really well at it. And

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<v Speaker 2>I've talked about my art teacher often, who I credit

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<v Speaker 2>so much with my intentional thinking. So let's say we're

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<v Speaker 2>doing a college and we're doing mixed design. I would

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<v Speaker 2>put something together and I think it would look amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>and my friends would think it would look great, and

0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:41.120
<v Speaker 2>my teacher would look at it and say, why did

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<v Speaker 2>you do that, and if I didn't have a good

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<v Speaker 2>enough answer, I didn't get a good grade. And so

0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:47.159
<v Speaker 2>he was training me to always ask why. He was like,

0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:49.639
<v Speaker 2>why would you put those two things together? What's your reason?

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<v Speaker 2>And I started to realize that the intention was so important,

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<v Speaker 2>the intuitive design of putting things together. It wasn't just

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<v Speaker 2>about the form, it was about the substance. So I

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<v Speaker 2>would I loved that from before I became a monk.

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<v Speaker 2>I even wanted to. I had the dream of becoming

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<v Speaker 2>a graphic design or art director when I grew up

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<v Speaker 2>and put magazines together. That was always kind of what

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed. And obviously I left that all when I

0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:14.800
<v Speaker 2>became a monk and moved away from it. And the

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 2>monastery was always very minimalist, right, there was no It's

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<v Speaker 2>not that there was no design, and I think that's

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:23.800
<v Speaker 2>always important to remember, Like if you've ever seen an altar,

0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:27.680
<v Speaker 2>an altar is highly designed, whether it's deities of God,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's forms of sages or gurus. If you ever

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<v Speaker 2>walk into a temple.

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<v Speaker 3>Atmosphere, it's very decorative, very decorative.

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<v Speaker 2>And some of the temples that I visited in India

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<v Speaker 2>had like the most ornate carvings around them telling stories

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<v Speaker 2>and histories and pastimes of incredible epics, and you'd see

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<v Speaker 2>you'd see that the design that was above the place

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<v Speaker 2>where you stand when you're in front of the altar

0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 2>had specific markings on the ceiling. Like there's so much

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 2>intentionality even about a temple and how they were designed.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think I appreciated all those things. Although

0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:05.440
<v Speaker 2>in the temple it was very minimalist. It wasn't you know,

0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:10.639
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't I guess material in that sense. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think for me now, I've just allowed all my passions

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<v Speaker 2>to infuse. And I really do believe that designing your home,

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<v Speaker 2>designing what you wear or choosing and selecting it carefully

0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 2>allows you to feel different. And so to me, design

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<v Speaker 2>a mindfulness or fashion and mindfulness or how you dress

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:32.400
<v Speaker 2>is probably a better word than even fashion. But how

0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:35.440
<v Speaker 2>you dress and mindfulness and how you design your home

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:41.200
<v Speaker 2>and mindfulness are completely synchronized, and they can't be separated.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I feel different when I wear something different, I

0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:48.359
<v Speaker 2>can express myself differently when I dress differently. I can

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:51.240
<v Speaker 2>sit with you and we can create an atmosphere, hopefully

0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:53.960
<v Speaker 2>in this room for you and our guests that allows

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:56.639
<v Speaker 2>you to be comfortable and open, and that allows you

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<v Speaker 2>to feel safe and so hopefully the answers you're question.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it does, but no, it does.

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<v Speaker 3>It's great, and it is a lifestyle. It's like how

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<v Speaker 3>you dress.

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0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:17.879
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<v Speaker 2>the code on Purpose. I think one thing about your work, though, Kelly,

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<v Speaker 2>that I like, and it kind of reflects on the

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 2>question you asked me, is you know one of the

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 2>things I often struggle with is because I lived as

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 2>a monk and now don't and I'm married, of course,

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 2>and we have businesses and companies and everything else. I've

0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 2>given myself permission to be all of the complexities of

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 2>who I am. And I love meditating, but I also

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.520
<v Speaker 2>love media. I also love sharing messages. I also love

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 2>management and strategy, and I've just allowed all of myself

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 2>to coexist. And I feel that allowing myself to do

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:22.840
<v Speaker 2>that has allowed me to be happier with who I am.

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 2>And when I look at your work, and I'll let

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 2>you comment on that in a second on me, but

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 2>when I look at your work, I see that same

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 2>juxtaposition of things that people would often say, well, that

0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 2>doesn't work or that wouldn't make sense, And if you

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:40.240
<v Speaker 2>walked it through theoretically, most people would argue, I think

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 2>with your designs that they wouldn't make sense because I

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 2>think you put things together that seem so alien and

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 2>challenging and random that people would say, yeah, that doesn't

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 2>make any sense. Now you've found a way to make

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 2>it cohesive and make it work. I wonder are you

0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 2>trying to do you agree with that first of all?

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 2>And and how have you allowed yourself to permission to

0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 2>put things together that people would find unexpected?

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<v Speaker 1>You know that that's such a good question. And when

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 1>I was starting out, there was a very specific style.

0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 1>It was like the slip covered furniture and everything was neutral.

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 1>And I came to Los Angeles and I, you know,

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 1>so grateful for this.

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<v Speaker 3>First job that I got for a couple that.

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<v Speaker 1>Lived in Venice Beach and they needed help with like

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<v Speaker 1>one dining room and I was going to actually work

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 1>with a design studio and this job just fell into

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:38.120
<v Speaker 1>my lap. And so it was on the canals in Venice.

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 1>It's really cool bungalow and designed. They were like, listen,

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:43.400
<v Speaker 1>all we do we only have money for one room,

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:47.040
<v Speaker 1>so let's do this. I did it, and there was color,

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 1>and there was like vintage things and there was some

0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 1>contemporary artist pieces and the room like looked, you know, incredible.

0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:59.080
<v Speaker 1>They didn't quite understand it, and they were like, well,

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't feel like maybe what I'm seeing, and so

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, I had to really like talk them through it.

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 1>And this is you know, before you know, now you're

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:11.000
<v Speaker 1>doing like renderings for you know, your clients. To really understand,

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:13.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, there was a lot of communication.

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I took them to the flea market with me, you know,

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 1>and we really made these decisions together. They were a

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 1>little apprehensive, but it turned out great. I ended up

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:24.400
<v Speaker 1>doing the whole entire house and then somebody saw that

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 1>and so yeah, it was it was a little scary

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:33.000
<v Speaker 1>and still now there are clients that are maybe we'll

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 1>do a presentation. They'll say, you know, I like part

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>of it, but maybe this part I don't like. And

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 1>if I truly believe, I'll take the time and kind

0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>of show them the way in my thought process and

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe give them, you know, a few more visuals. So

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 1>the team and I will work on that, you know,

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 1>but if it doesn't, if they're not one hundred percent

0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 1>dialed in and excited, then we'll come up with another option.

0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:58.920
<v Speaker 1>And you know, we're all about you know, making you know,

0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 1>our projects amazing and unique, but we also you know,

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 1>want to make sure our clients are like so happy

0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:07.920
<v Speaker 1>and love the space. So it can be challenging for sure.

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 2>How did you get that confidence, especially early on, right

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 2>so you asked to do a dining room? I can't

0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 2>believe that you is, you know, like, it's beautiful to

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 2>hear that that today when you're designing multiple hotels and

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 2>that it started with just designing a dining room. And

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 2>I think that's so inspiring for so many people listening

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 2>and watching who either want to follow in your career

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 2>path or do something creative that they can think, wow,

0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:30.719
<v Speaker 2>that that's where it can start. How did you have

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 2>the confidence at that point to walk them through it

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 2>and say, hey, even if you don't get it, this

0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 2>makes sense. What gave it to you at that point

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 2>or did you feel at that point did you feel

0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 2>a bit nervous when they said, hey, we're not you know,

0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 2>we don't get it, or did you always have that

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 2>confidence about your work.

0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>No, I was nervous, okay, one hundred percent. Like I

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my god, am I making the right decision?

0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Like I felt like in my heart it was the

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 1>right decision. So I really wanted to not convince them

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 1>but haven't understand like we're I was coming from. And

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 1>they they had faith in me, and we went for

0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 1>it and it looked amazing, and you know, we still

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:13.320
<v Speaker 1>have those clients. But yeah, it was a nervous, nerve

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 1>wracking experience. And we still now will do a presentation

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:20.720
<v Speaker 1>like the team and I will work on something for

0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 1>weeks and it's like a really big concept presentation, and

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 1>there will still sometimes be like this just doesn't feel

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 1>right because our audience maybe whether it's for a hotel

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 1>and it's a group of people, they might not they

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 1>might not have seen it before.

0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 3>And I strive for that.

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:43.200
<v Speaker 1>I want to do something that is unique and site specific,

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:46.120
<v Speaker 1>and so they might not see before, so they get

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:51.280
<v Speaker 1>a little a little timid. So again it's being, you know,

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:55.440
<v Speaker 1>really communicating and letting the client know what what you

0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>know is in our minds.

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 2>I tell us about some of the communication skills that

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 2>takes because I think think when people think of creative careers,

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 2>we think of them as purely artistic, but actually you're

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:11.399
<v Speaker 2>dealing with someone's intimate homes or a hotel space, which

0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:14.320
<v Speaker 2>again is people are coming there to rest or relax

0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 2>or connect or take a break. So they're very important

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:21.719
<v Speaker 2>spaces for us, and therefore people are quite opinionated about them.

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 2>What have you learned about communicating more effectively with people,

0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:28.439
<v Speaker 2>especially when things are so personal, because I think that's

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:32.319
<v Speaker 2>a unique skill set that people wouldn't understand that you've had.

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 2>You'd have to have, but you obviously have to because

0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:38.759
<v Speaker 2>you're talking to people about things that they have very

0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 2>clear thoughts about and specific choices for.

0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Dealing with confidence, like presenting it like you have to

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:49.160
<v Speaker 1>believe it, and having confidence is everything.

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:51.319
<v Speaker 3>The visuals are so.

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Important, and so I like to communicate with the visuals.

0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:59.959
<v Speaker 1>Because I can talk for an hour and the CLIs

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:03.600
<v Speaker 1>I might still not understand like the direction. So having

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 1>the visuals is everything, and the confidence confidence is so

0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:09.800
<v Speaker 1>is everything.

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:13.440
<v Speaker 2>For you, you know, Like we just talked about your

0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:17.200
<v Speaker 2>careers started from like humble beginnings, and I wonder what

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 2>is what was the hardest thing about getting started? What

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 2>was the most difficult thing on this journey to get

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 2>to where you are today? What was the thing that

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 2>scared you the most, the thing that you struggled with

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:30.839
<v Speaker 2>the most.

0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm a really hard worker, and I know what

0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 1>I like probably going into it like by myself, Like

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:44.640
<v Speaker 1>I did the job starting out for three years by myself.

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 3>I was the.

0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:50.799
<v Speaker 1>Business person, the creative person. I was loading my car

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:53.399
<v Speaker 1>up with the flea market with a huge chair and

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:57.880
<v Speaker 1>putting it in myself and doing everything and so doing

0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:01.520
<v Speaker 1>that by myself. And I didn't work in a design studio,

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:05.200
<v Speaker 1>so I didn't have that visibility to how a design

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 1>studio truly operates. So really figuring out the contracts, the

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 1>budgets and how to present that, I did it, you know,

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.320
<v Speaker 1>on my own, and I ask a lot of questions

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:20.359
<v Speaker 1>and there were some great contractors and people that I

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:22.719
<v Speaker 1>was working with and collaborating with on these projects, and

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I just asked, you know, a million questions.

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:27.800
<v Speaker 3>But I would say that doing that alone.

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 1>And now when I go to a big meeting and

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I get nervous doing a big presentation, and I have

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 1>my team and my support team, my family, my husband

0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:42.879
<v Speaker 1>who's like my biggest cheerleader, and we do it as

0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:47.839
<v Speaker 1>a team, And that was probably like the most kind

0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:49.400
<v Speaker 1>of frightening part of starting.

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I'm hoping that the reason I asked is

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 2>I think there are so many people right now who

0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:56.719
<v Speaker 2>are listening, have a passion, have a creative project that

0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:59.720
<v Speaker 2>they want to work on, and it can feel daunting

0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 2>when you say, oh, I don't know accounts, I don't

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 2>know how to do my taxes, I don't know how

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:06.239
<v Speaker 2>to put a presentation together. I don't know how to

0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:10.440
<v Speaker 2>pitch that. But you're saying, asking questions and just doing it.

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:11.800
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm guessing there are lots of me.

0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 3>You just have to do it.

0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:16.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, honestly, you just have to do it, and really,

0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, just having the passion and really you know,

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the drive to wanting it and educating yourself along the

0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 1>way and I'm continuing to educate myself along the way,

0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 1>and every project we have there's a new group of creatives,

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:37.319
<v Speaker 1>whether it's a landscape or architect lighting designer, that we

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 1>all learn from one another and that just makes me

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:44.840
<v Speaker 1>and my team a better designer and we pass it

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:47.200
<v Speaker 1>along to all of our next projects and clients.

0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:49.719
<v Speaker 2>What do you think was your biggest mistake that you

0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 2>made on that part of the journey, Like something that

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:54.160
<v Speaker 2>now you look back and, oh, that's ridiculous. I can't

0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 2>believe that was a mistake that it doesn't feel that big,

0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:58.839
<v Speaker 2>But at that time you're like, oh, no, I don't

0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:00.719
<v Speaker 2>know how to do this.

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:02.120
<v Speaker 3>So I worked.

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:05.320
<v Speaker 1>I worked on a project and I had one assistant,

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:09.880
<v Speaker 1>but we were working on this project for this music

0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:14.759
<v Speaker 1>executive and she loved color, and so she was traveling

0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:18.560
<v Speaker 1>and this was actually starting out. She had a really

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:22.920
<v Speaker 1>low budget, and so we were like, listen, we're going

0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:25.239
<v Speaker 1>to have this painted. We're going to do something unbelievable.

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:26.360
<v Speaker 3>And it looked awful.

0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 1>It was like so it was a wreck and it

0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:32.239
<v Speaker 1>was just too many colors just went overboard, which you

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 1>can do, which is great.

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:34.480
<v Speaker 3>You to make mistakes.

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:37.760
<v Speaker 1>It's so important in the creative process to make mistakes,

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:40.640
<v Speaker 1>and so she was going to be back in a

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:43.040
<v Speaker 1>week and my assistant and like we'd spent the money

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 1>on the painters. We so I painted myself, with my

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 1>assistant the entire house ourselves.

0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Wow.

0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:55.439
<v Speaker 1>You know, we wanted to make it great. And that's

0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:57.239
<v Speaker 1>not the first time I've done that. We worked on

0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:00.319
<v Speaker 1>projects that there was like a little budget, and I

0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:03.719
<v Speaker 1>wanted the project so badly to be amazing, and I

0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:06.040
<v Speaker 1>wanted to make the client happy and they're just and

0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 1>so I just like painted myself.

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 2>That's amazing, That's incredible. You sometimes that person now claimed

0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:13.359
<v Speaker 2>that Kelly painted my eye.

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:17.200
<v Speaker 1>I think they moved and then, but you know, I

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:18.200
<v Speaker 1>just did it myself.

0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:20.719
<v Speaker 3>And sometimes you just you know, you have to do it.

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 1>You have to just put in the extra work and

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 1>make it happen.

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:26.560
<v Speaker 2>What do you think was the biggest risk you took

0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 2>on this journey where you felt like you were kind

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 2>of leveling up. I feel everyone goes through this phase

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:34.200
<v Speaker 2>of the doing the work, they're growing the building. You

0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:36.239
<v Speaker 2>went from doing the dining room to the whole home.

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:38.360
<v Speaker 2>What was the big risks that you thought or a

0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:41.440
<v Speaker 2>leap you had to take which kind of shifted your career.

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:46.279
<v Speaker 1>I would say, you know, when I was doing interiors

0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:49.440
<v Speaker 1>and and this is like what's so great about you know,

0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:52.200
<v Speaker 1>my job is like anyone can call any moment. I

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:54.640
<v Speaker 1>got a call from Bergdorf Goodman, you know, this incredible

0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:56.960
<v Speaker 1>store in New York, and they were looking for a

0:39:57.000 --> 0:40:00.760
<v Speaker 1>designer to do the like iconic restaurant on the top floor.

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:02.680
<v Speaker 1>And so they're like, we'd like to come out and

0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:04.920
<v Speaker 1>meet with us, and we did like a presentation, and

0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I was like they were like, well, listen, we're speaking

0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:07.440
<v Speaker 1>to a few other people.

0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:09.439
<v Speaker 3>And I thought for sure was going.

0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 1>To be a New York designer, like I was the

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 1>only one on the West coast they were speaking with.

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:17.439
<v Speaker 1>And we ended up getting the commission, which was like unbelievable.

0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 1>And this is like a store that you know, you

0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:22.239
<v Speaker 1>just you just dream about because it's you know, so

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:25.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, iconic. So doing that project and it was

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:27.280
<v Speaker 1>like a really you know, big success.

0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:28.200
<v Speaker 3>It looks the same way.

0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it's been like twelve years since that project

0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 1>was was completed. So after the project, the president of

0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 1>the company said, hey, listen, you know we would love

0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 1>for you to have a shop and I was thinking

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 1>about I don't sell anything, like I'm a designer and

0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't have product. So I said, well, let me

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:47.960
<v Speaker 1>think about it, because that was like a dream. Now

0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:50.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to have like a shop within Birdorf Goodman.

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:53.840
<v Speaker 1>And so I went back and I was like, you

0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:55.799
<v Speaker 1>know what, I have designed a lot of things, like

0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of commissions for some of our projects, and

0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:01.440
<v Speaker 1>we've done a lot of some things that we couldn't

0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 1>find and we ended up designing. So within about six

0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:07.720
<v Speaker 1>months we designed this incredible space.

0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:08.960
<v Speaker 3>It was like a little jewel.

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Box and we were in business and I had accessories

0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 1>and it was there for ten years. It did so well,

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.640
<v Speaker 1>and it was a really fun thing to do, and

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:20.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, I took as a challenge like I want

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:22.840
<v Speaker 1>to do this. I was so excited and I you know,

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:27.560
<v Speaker 1>really educated myself on how to you know, find you know,

0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 1>fabricators you know, around the world. A lot of our

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:33.520
<v Speaker 1>things were made there in different places. So it was

0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 1>a you know, really cool.

0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:40.560
<v Speaker 3>Thing, and that got me into having a store and

0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:43.239
<v Speaker 3>completely different, completely different.

0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:46.200
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's having an open heart and just

0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:50.120
<v Speaker 1>like riding the wave and being open to like any

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:54.200
<v Speaker 1>opportunity and now we're you know, designing product and you

0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:56.400
<v Speaker 1>know hotels. I never thought in a million years I

0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:59.120
<v Speaker 1>designed a hotel, and uh, you know work, we're now

0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:03.160
<v Speaker 1>working with a lot of doing really like unbelievable cool things,

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:06.800
<v Speaker 1>and so it's like really exciting.

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Are there any particular cities in the world that you

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:13.880
<v Speaker 2>feel you just constantly gravitate towards or have they changed

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:16.319
<v Speaker 2>over the years, And what would be some of your

0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:19.279
<v Speaker 2>memories of going to any of your favorite cities or

0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:22.759
<v Speaker 2>countries where you discovered something new or something fresh, or

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 2>even something that felt familiar.

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:27.799
<v Speaker 3>I would say going to.

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Europe, like I love going like the Paris flea Market

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:37.360
<v Speaker 1>as like unbelievable, and just any of the European cities,

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:40.120
<v Speaker 1>like I was in Amsterdam this summer and I was

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:43.279
<v Speaker 1>in so great and in Belgium, and that is so

0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:47.799
<v Speaker 1>many incredible artists, like these really great emerging artists, And

0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 1>when you travel, you just see like what's special. And

0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:55.040
<v Speaker 1>I think it's so important to travel because if you

0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:59.839
<v Speaker 1>our world is becoming so same, there's not a lot

0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 1>of you know, if you look on your Instagram and

0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 1>you know in your technology, things are feeling the same.

0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:08.320
<v Speaker 1>So it's so important to travel because you really see

0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:13.680
<v Speaker 1>what are the special materials and the inherent designs and

0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:16.719
<v Speaker 1>craftsmanship that many of these different countries have. So it

0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:19.480
<v Speaker 1>was very important to get out and see things in person.

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Kelly, I want to do something intuitive with you,

0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.960
<v Speaker 2>seeing as we're both being intuitive. So I'm going to

0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:27.759
<v Speaker 2>look through your beautiful but which I love to do

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:31.359
<v Speaker 2>in general anyway, and I'm going to pick things that

0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 2>intuitively call out to me, okay, and then ask you

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:35.879
<v Speaker 2>the story about that. How does that sound?

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 3>Okay?

0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, okay, there's so much stuff already. I saw

0:43:39.560 --> 0:43:41.520
<v Speaker 2>this picture. I fell in love with this. Actually, I

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:44.600
<v Speaker 2>was like addicted to this whole space for a second.

0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I should ask you to walk me through this

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:48.279
<v Speaker 2>because I saw this on your Instagram too.

0:43:48.680 --> 0:43:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's a project that's in California, and we

0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:57.520
<v Speaker 1>worked on it with an architect, Marron el said, and

0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:02.080
<v Speaker 1>he did the I'm on and I'm u Geary right,

0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:05.480
<v Speaker 1>and he's just such a talent.

0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:07.640
<v Speaker 3>And this is an.

0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Aniche Kapor artwork, a Jonas Bolan chair that is from

0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:17.239
<v Speaker 1>the eighties. That chair, the chair is like sculpture and

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:20.200
<v Speaker 1>that's why Actually, Jay like one of the things is,

0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:24.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, you think you've seen everything, and so for example,

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:28.000
<v Speaker 1>like a stiletto heel, you think you've seen every stiletto heel,

0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:32.480
<v Speaker 1>and someone comes out with something that totally blows you

0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:36.440
<v Speaker 1>away and it's like a new thing that.

0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 3>That your heart stops.

0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:42.000
<v Speaker 1>And it's the same thing with a chair and having

0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:45.080
<v Speaker 1>like artists find their creative spirit. You know, that's a

0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:49.760
<v Speaker 1>three legged chair, and just people continue to to design

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:52.200
<v Speaker 1>and come up with things that you've seen, you've never

0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 1>seen before. And it's the same thing with music, Like

0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:57.960
<v Speaker 1>you think you've heard like every kind of rhythm or

0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:01.560
<v Speaker 1>sample and you just or something new that just blows

0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:01.960
<v Speaker 1>you away.

0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:04.720
<v Speaker 2>What about people who think that, like you know, Kelly,

0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:07.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't have enough money to make a space look good?

0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Like do you need to spend big in order to

0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 2>create a space that feels good to you?

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:17.480
<v Speaker 1>No, one hundred percent, because you can, just like I did.

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:20.799
<v Speaker 1>You can paint a wall and it could be one wall,

0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:23.440
<v Speaker 1>which is actually kind of cool. Every wall doesn't have

0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 1>to be the same color makes it more interesting. And

0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:30.759
<v Speaker 1>just have one amazing chair that you love and one

0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 1>light we need light light fixture and a table and like,

0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:42.080
<v Speaker 1>let it sit for a while and really just that

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:45.160
<v Speaker 1>showcases your style. And it's nice to live in something

0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:47.160
<v Speaker 1>a little more minimal for a while.

0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:48.719
<v Speaker 3>Like I used to live.

0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Where I just had so many things that you know,

0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 1>I found on my travels and there would just be

0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:56.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff. And I've kind of changed. I

0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 1>like things that are really like a little more minimal

0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:02.680
<v Speaker 1>and important less that's the piece shine and have its

0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:03.240
<v Speaker 1>own moment.

0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:06.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think minimalism is definitely where I feel like

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:09.560
<v Speaker 2>I feel at home. It's quite minimalist. There's a lot

0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:12.480
<v Speaker 2>of empty space. Everything's very low as well, which I

0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:12.960
<v Speaker 2>really like.

0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:16.120
<v Speaker 1>I know, I love like low, like some of these

0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:18.719
<v Speaker 1>like beds and furniture. I mean you need like a

0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:22.640
<v Speaker 1>stool to step on. They're so they're so tall, and

0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:24.759
<v Speaker 1>it's and it's to say everything's getting.

0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:27.160
<v Speaker 3>Big, yes, everything, like literally we were.

0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Designed designing tabletop and you know we plates, like you know,

0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:34.359
<v Speaker 1>they're so much bigger now.

0:46:34.400 --> 0:46:37.920
<v Speaker 3>It's like everything. And so while I love.

0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:40.399
<v Speaker 1>Really low beds because I think you feel like really

0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:43.280
<v Speaker 1>low to the ground, and it also makes a small

0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:47.440
<v Speaker 1>bedroom like feel more expansive because it doesn't cut the

0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:48.160
<v Speaker 1>room in half.

0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:50.920
<v Speaker 3>So a bed that's note. Yeah, a bed.

0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:54.040
<v Speaker 1>That's like twelve inches in height, and it's so nice.

0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:56.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's very you know, it's like in Ja Japan,

0:46:56.920 --> 0:46:59.759
<v Speaker 1>everything's like really low and it doesn't get in the

0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:02.200
<v Speaker 1>way windows, and it makes your space feel so much

0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:02.920
<v Speaker 1>more expansive.

0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:05.720
<v Speaker 2>These are very good practical tips. I think everyone, everyone's

0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:07.520
<v Speaker 2>everyone's going to be getting low beds because of that.

0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:10.040
<v Speaker 2>This space is spectacular. I don't think I've seen this

0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:11.600
<v Speaker 2>in real life that you would do. All the tiles

0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:12.040
<v Speaker 2>and everything.

0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:15.839
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that is in Austin where we met.

0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 1>We actually spoke over on the right side there, and yeah,

0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:25.800
<v Speaker 1>so that is a restaurant and so all those tiles.

0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:30.560
<v Speaker 1>I was in Portugal and I stumbled upon this shop

0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:33.040
<v Speaker 1>that had tiles, and it was like a seventy five

0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:35.040
<v Speaker 1>year old family owned tile company.

0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:35.880
<v Speaker 3>And I went.

0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Inside and I was so moved in this restaurant, the

0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:41.440
<v Speaker 1>chef that we were designing this restaurant for. It's Mediterranean,

0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:45.280
<v Speaker 1>and so the reason why it's very patchwork is because

0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:48.719
<v Speaker 1>all of these tiles came from different like decades and periods,

0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:51.440
<v Speaker 1>and so you know, many of it's like dead stock.

0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:54.560
<v Speaker 1>And there was seven left or maybe twenty left and

0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:58.839
<v Speaker 1>so really created this patchwork of all of this, you know,

0:47:58.960 --> 0:48:03.200
<v Speaker 1>different color and pattern and reliefs, and it looks, you know, amazing.

0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:05.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love it. It's I didn't I didn't see

0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:08.319
<v Speaker 2>that day. I think we were hitting on the other side.

0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:10.719
<v Speaker 2>We're on the other side right well through them. I'm

0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 2>trying to figure that out.

0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:11.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:15.200
<v Speaker 1>And it's also like making do with what you have

0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:18.400
<v Speaker 1>or what you've seen. Like I could easily gone in

0:48:18.520 --> 0:48:21.319
<v Speaker 1>this tile store and seen one tile that I absolutely

0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:23.399
<v Speaker 1>loved and like, okay, let's just do the entire wall

0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:28.680
<v Speaker 1>in that. But you know, having something that that you know, okay,

0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:30.560
<v Speaker 1>how can we make this work and make it really

0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:35.120
<v Speaker 1>interesting and kind of just you know, letting your creative

0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:35.840
<v Speaker 1>juices flow.

0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I think that's what's so beautiful about it is that

0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:41.400
<v Speaker 2>when we're present and when we're when we observe. I

0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:44.239
<v Speaker 2>find that And I don't know how I started doing

0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:46.520
<v Speaker 2>it with furniture and things like that, but I feel

0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:49.040
<v Speaker 2>like when you've really I think it's just mindfulness training,

0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:51.160
<v Speaker 2>But when you get really present with like looking at

0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:54.719
<v Speaker 2>even the direction of like the grain lines you know

0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:57.600
<v Speaker 2>on a piece of wood, or whether it's looking at

0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:00.400
<v Speaker 2>like how it's cut or connected or you know. And

0:49:00.480 --> 0:49:03.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't have any of the vocabulary of an interior

0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:06.240
<v Speaker 2>design at all, or the language or have any skills

0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:09.200
<v Speaker 2>in this space. I can appreciate something that looks beautiful,

0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:10.520
<v Speaker 2>and so as I'm looking through.

0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:13.480
<v Speaker 3>This, yeah, and things that are also like imperfect.

0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:16.640
<v Speaker 1>And if you you know, if we're skinning, if we're

0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:21.600
<v Speaker 1>skinning a wall in timber, and you know, you want

0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:25.600
<v Speaker 1>the hand of it to really show its like dimensionality

0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:30.600
<v Speaker 1>and how things are assembled and put together, and it's all,

0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:33.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, part of the storytelling. And it does like

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:36.560
<v Speaker 1>things that are imperfect are so beautiful, which is kind

0:49:36.560 --> 0:49:39.080
<v Speaker 1>of crazy because I'm a little bit of a perfectionist

0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:43.319
<v Speaker 1>and I'm trying to like, you know, let things go

0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:46.560
<v Speaker 1>a little more. Like sometimes like I literally will go

0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:48.719
<v Speaker 1>to like one of the hotels and I will see

0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the furniture that's out of place, and people are like,

0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:53.800
<v Speaker 1>oh God, there's Kelly, Like she's like moving like the furniture.

0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:56.479
<v Speaker 1>I'll I can tell if things are like two inches off.

0:49:56.760 --> 0:49:58.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I like to keep things like super tight,

0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:01.000
<v Speaker 1>but sometimes you have to like let it go.

0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:04.040
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm with you, my wife, and I get into

0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:08.319
<v Speaker 2>I will rearrange dining chairs are on the table every night,

0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:09.480
<v Speaker 2>just because.

0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:11.640
<v Speaker 3>I totally am that person.

0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my wife, love, what are you doing? I'm like, no,

0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:17.799
<v Speaker 2>these are just too close and I can't appreciate this

0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:21.040
<v Speaker 2>space because of this. I'm totally like that. So I

0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:21.879
<v Speaker 2>get that, and.

0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:24.160
<v Speaker 1>I told my boys, I'm like, listen, I see everything,

0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:27.360
<v Speaker 1>like you'll never pull anything over on me.

0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:29.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I see everything.

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:32.920
<v Speaker 2>I love it. This piece I saw. I loved it

0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:35.879
<v Speaker 2>from the moment I saw it, and mean, it looks spectacular. Yeah.

0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:39.440
<v Speaker 1>So this is in the hotel that's in downtown, and

0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:43.000
<v Speaker 1>it's a pool suite because the building is a historic

0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:46.720
<v Speaker 1>building and it used to in one of its lives

0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:49.719
<v Speaker 1>be a YMCA, and so in order to get the

0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:52.600
<v Speaker 1>historic tax credits you have to keep a lot of

0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:55.160
<v Speaker 1>the programming there. So there was a pool and it's

0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:58.160
<v Speaker 1>quite it's like a thirty forty foot pool. And so

0:50:58.320 --> 0:51:01.279
<v Speaker 1>it's a three bedroom suite and it has its own

0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:04.200
<v Speaker 1>kitchen so you know you can stay in this. You know,

0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:07.120
<v Speaker 1>really incredible. I mean, this is an experience that you'll

0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:09.839
<v Speaker 1>really rarely get. And that's what we like to do,

0:51:10.080 --> 0:51:13.080
<v Speaker 1>is like, you know, give people an experience and something

0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:16.239
<v Speaker 1>that they can take an incredible memory home with them.

0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:18.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean there's I could stop at every page,

0:51:18.400 --> 0:51:21.680
<v Speaker 2>So I'm really trying to be intuitive as I said.

0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:24.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you have to go to the Santa Monica proper.

0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I've been there before.

0:51:26.160 --> 0:51:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Have you been there?

0:51:27.239 --> 0:51:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Very is beautiful. No, I've been there. I've had I've

0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:33.120
<v Speaker 2>been there for birthdays and events, and yeah, that space

0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:36.319
<v Speaker 2>is spectacular. Downstairs upstairs, have been on the rooftop as well,

0:51:36.840 --> 0:51:40.160
<v Speaker 2>It's a really beautiful space. I love the use of

0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:44.760
<v Speaker 2>like plants and nature like to me, these kind of spaces.

0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:48.160
<v Speaker 2>Of course, these kind of spaces are really special with

0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:50.560
<v Speaker 2>like this kind of composition. But that feel similar to

0:51:50.560 --> 0:51:52.279
<v Speaker 2>the first one I showed you, I think, but when

0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:55.279
<v Speaker 2>people are trying to do plants in their home, how

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:57.280
<v Speaker 2>should they think about it? Because I feel like that's

0:51:57.640 --> 0:51:59.799
<v Speaker 2>something that people try hard and struggle with keeping them

0:51:59.840 --> 0:52:02.879
<v Speaker 2>any life is one thing, but you know.

0:52:03.200 --> 0:52:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Like that is where having something that if you have

0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:11.200
<v Speaker 1>a really incredible yeah, that's that's so great. Well, we

0:52:11.239 --> 0:52:14.440
<v Speaker 1>are so fortunate to work with some amazing talents and

0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:17.720
<v Speaker 1>but I actually love going to the nurseries and seeking

0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:22.600
<v Speaker 1>out these unbelievable specimens that have that are imperfect and

0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:26.160
<v Speaker 1>that really transform your interior.

0:52:26.320 --> 0:52:28.240
<v Speaker 3>And I think too like less.

0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:31.919
<v Speaker 1>Is more, although I do love uh, you know, we're

0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:34.520
<v Speaker 1>working on a project where there's a selarium and there's

0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:38.320
<v Speaker 1>there's so many you know, incredible you know plants and

0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:42.920
<v Speaker 1>uh in different colors of green and the pots and

0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:45.960
<v Speaker 1>it just tells like a really beautiful story. And that

0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:49.000
<v Speaker 1>project that is an artwork. That's a vase, the chair,

0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:49.560
<v Speaker 1>do you see.

0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:52.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this this this is probably one of my favorite

0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:54.560
<v Speaker 2>rooms you've ever done. Like I love this room.

0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:55.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:59.880
<v Speaker 1>So that's the grotto and the grotto actually the inspira

0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:01.080
<v Speaker 1>it's a library.

0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:02.240
<v Speaker 3>When we were.

0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.839
<v Speaker 1>Working on this hotel, I wanted an intimate space where

0:53:04.920 --> 0:53:07.200
<v Speaker 1>people could go and have a meeting and hang out.

0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:10.799
<v Speaker 1>And this is a hotel that's in Santa Monica and

0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:14.400
<v Speaker 1>so the it's like maritime. I mean that was the inspiration.

0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:18.520
<v Speaker 1>And so I went to a friend's parents' house and

0:53:18.600 --> 0:53:21.080
<v Speaker 1>there were an older couple and they live in Malibu,

0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:23.799
<v Speaker 1>and I remember walking in their home and being so

0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:27.440
<v Speaker 1>inspired because they had this incredible artwork and they had

0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:30.000
<v Speaker 1>a library and all of these things that you know,

0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:32.800
<v Speaker 1>they're well traveled couple that they've collected their whole life

0:53:33.000 --> 0:53:36.680
<v Speaker 1>and it just felt so real and represented them. And

0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:40.600
<v Speaker 1>so this room, the grotto we called it. We brought

0:53:40.600 --> 0:53:43.400
<v Speaker 1>in a lot of emerging artists from Los Angeles and

0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:46.000
<v Speaker 1>then we also found a lot of vintage pieces as well,

0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:48.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's just a great place that you can have

0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:50.760
<v Speaker 1>a meeting and it's like being in a grotto.

0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah lit podcast studio right there. Yeah, I love it. No,

0:53:54.440 --> 0:53:56.520
<v Speaker 2>it's beautiful And like I said, I could going on

0:53:56.560 --> 0:53:59.040
<v Speaker 2>and I'm glad we did that though, because I love

0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:02.919
<v Speaker 2>hearing you react and tell us the story behind incredible things.

0:54:02.960 --> 0:54:06.000
<v Speaker 1>And I'm such a visual person, like it helps to

0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:09.640
<v Speaker 1>like see to see things because I am like so

0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:12.240
<v Speaker 1>visual and it's such a you know, a big part

0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:15.279
<v Speaker 1>of you know, my spirit and what I do. And

0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:17.800
<v Speaker 1>that's like when I was doing the masterclass, they were like, listen,

0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:19.960
<v Speaker 1>we want you to you know, you're going to be

0:54:20.320 --> 0:54:23.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, the teacher and you're just going to talk.

0:54:23.280 --> 0:54:25.120
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, but you guys, everything is like

0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:28.360
<v Speaker 1>so visual and tactile and there's like materiality and so

0:54:28.520 --> 0:54:33.560
<v Speaker 1>much to the story. And so we uh went outside

0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:37.279
<v Speaker 1>the box and went on some site visits yeah, so fun.

0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:39.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, you actually went out with.

0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:40.680
<v Speaker 3>The way we went out.

0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's incredible.

0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:45.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we went out too and toured and and I

0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:48.400
<v Speaker 1>think then people can apply and I think if somebody

0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:51.920
<v Speaker 1>is not like really skilled, if designed, like, they also

0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:54.839
<v Speaker 1>need to see things as well, so that helps them,

0:54:55.040 --> 0:54:57.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, to apply it to you know, what they're

0:54:57.239 --> 0:54:57.759
<v Speaker 1>trying to do.

0:54:57.920 --> 0:55:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and people can actually learn from you directly from

0:55:00.719 --> 0:55:02.840
<v Speaker 2>the master class. So that's that's a great way of

0:55:03.239 --> 0:55:05.560
<v Speaker 2>giving people the tools. If you're inspired from today, then

0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:08.920
<v Speaker 2>hopefully the master class will help you piece together all

0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:12.000
<v Speaker 2>these amazing lessons that Kelly sharing. Kelly, you didn't You've

0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:15.520
<v Speaker 2>said before or I've learned before that you didn't always

0:55:15.600 --> 0:55:17.920
<v Speaker 2>plan on being a mom or like you didn't think

0:55:17.920 --> 0:55:20.560
<v Speaker 2>about it as your natural course. But it's something that

0:55:20.600 --> 0:55:22.840
<v Speaker 2>of course I've even met some of your children, I

0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:23.399
<v Speaker 2>believe as well.

0:55:23.480 --> 0:55:27.279
<v Speaker 1>So yes, yes, yeah, so my like growing up, you know,

0:55:27.320 --> 0:55:31.160
<v Speaker 1>my my mom worked, my grandmothers both worked, and so

0:55:31.920 --> 0:55:34.799
<v Speaker 1>having you know, the white picket fence was not you

0:55:34.840 --> 0:55:37.480
<v Speaker 1>know in my in my mind, I wanted to work

0:55:37.800 --> 0:55:40.440
<v Speaker 1>and I really love designed, you know, from when I

0:55:40.480 --> 0:55:42.759
<v Speaker 1>was doing my bunny shop, when I was seven years

0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:46.920
<v Speaker 1>old and really discovering my passion in high school and

0:55:47.080 --> 0:55:49.239
<v Speaker 1>just like you, I love graphic design. And that's kind

0:55:49.239 --> 0:55:51.919
<v Speaker 1>of where it all started from, is going to the

0:55:52.000 --> 0:55:54.600
<v Speaker 1>flea markets with my mom and seeing all the magazines

0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:58.439
<v Speaker 1>and so I really wanted to work and.

0:55:58.400 --> 0:56:00.400
<v Speaker 3>Be, you know, have a career.

0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:05.640
<v Speaker 1>And then I met my incredible husband, Brad, and a

0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:10.800
<v Speaker 1>family was important to him, and I was like, okay,

0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:13.319
<v Speaker 1>I got to think about it. You know, I have

0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:15.560
<v Speaker 1>an open heart, like I'm in love with you. You know,

0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:18.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm in love with my husband, and so I said,

0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:21.880
<v Speaker 1>let's do We'll have one. We got engaged and and

0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:26.280
<v Speaker 1>I got pregnant. That was the most transformational like moment

0:56:26.480 --> 0:56:30.400
<v Speaker 1>in my life. My family's everything and kids are like

0:56:30.640 --> 0:56:33.080
<v Speaker 1>the most like incredible layer to life.

0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:35.880
<v Speaker 3>And I love what I do, like absolutely love what

0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:36.239
<v Speaker 3>I do.

0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:40.560
<v Speaker 1>But it's like there's nothing like it and it's like

0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:44.960
<v Speaker 1>just everything, and yeah, it's the most beautiful thing. Like

0:56:45.000 --> 0:56:47.600
<v Speaker 1>my kids are my heroes. They teach me like so

0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:51.560
<v Speaker 1>much about life and you know, and I just had

0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:54.759
<v Speaker 1>a baby, and you know, so many people were like, oh, well,

0:56:54.800 --> 0:56:56.640
<v Speaker 1>you have two older kids, and like, you know, what

0:56:56.680 --> 0:57:01.040
<v Speaker 1>would do do differently? Like reflecting and is spend the

0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:03.560
<v Speaker 1>most amount of time with your kids now because it

0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:04.760
<v Speaker 1>goes by so fast.

0:57:05.960 --> 0:57:09.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how's that? How's that been with? Also, of course

0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:11.839
<v Speaker 2>your ambition and you're working on so many projects like

0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:15.400
<v Speaker 2>you've been able to. It sounds like be so present

0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:17.600
<v Speaker 2>with your kids and not have to give up your passion.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that that's such an important thing that

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<v Speaker 2>we also need to see as well, because I think

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<v Speaker 2>in that advice of people thinking, God, I just spend

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<v Speaker 2>every time, we kind of let go of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that you value. How have you? And I don't like

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<v Speaker 2>the word balance because I don't think that's necessarily what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm asking. It's almost like, how do you keep passion

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<v Speaker 2>and presence alive, present with your family, but then your passion,

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<v Speaker 2>which kind of keeps you alive. How do you keep

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<v Speaker 2>both alive?

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<v Speaker 3>It can be a struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I do is when I'm at work, I'm

0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:50.360
<v Speaker 1>so present with my team and I go to my

0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:52.720
<v Speaker 1>studio like I love going to my studio.

0:57:52.920 --> 0:57:55.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm like in the thick of it with them every day.

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<v Speaker 1>But I make time for my kids and obviously they're

0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:03.360
<v Speaker 1>things that you miss out on, and you know, it's

0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:10.120
<v Speaker 1>all about prioritizing and having a routine and schedule and yes,

0:58:10.240 --> 0:58:14.280
<v Speaker 1>like reflecting, you know, with with Oliver and Elliott when

0:58:14.320 --> 0:58:16.520
<v Speaker 1>they were younger, and this is before there was like

0:58:16.640 --> 0:58:19.200
<v Speaker 1>zoom meeting and working from home and all that is.

0:58:19.240 --> 0:58:20.000
<v Speaker 3>I miss things.

0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:24.200
<v Speaker 1>I was traveling and you know it, it broke my heart,

0:58:24.800 --> 0:58:27.600
<v Speaker 1>but I was also happy. I was happy that I

0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:30.960
<v Speaker 1>was being fulfilled as a designer and I was living

0:58:31.040 --> 0:58:34.240
<v Speaker 1>my dream and I am living my dream and they

0:58:34.280 --> 0:58:38.160
<v Speaker 1>see that and and makes me an incredible mom because

0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I get to teach them things. But yeah, it's definitely,

0:58:41.760 --> 0:58:43.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, can be can be tough.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the difference between creativity and replication? And is

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<v Speaker 2>replication the thief of creativity?

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's such an interesting question. And for me, creativity

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<v Speaker 1>comes within. It's your soul and it's your stylistic voice,

0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:11.600
<v Speaker 1>and replication is looking outward. So what maybe inspires you

0:59:12.000 --> 0:59:18.560
<v Speaker 1>to design a certain way? And you know, for example,

0:59:19.200 --> 0:59:25.520
<v Speaker 1>replication can inform creativity. And if we're designing a front

0:59:25.560 --> 0:59:28.920
<v Speaker 1>desk of a hotel and the functionality works so well,

0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:32.360
<v Speaker 1>we're going to incorporate that, but then we're going to

0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:36.400
<v Speaker 1>give it a new spirit by skinning it with another material.

0:59:36.760 --> 0:59:41.800
<v Speaker 1>So that's where the replication comes into play. But creativity

0:59:41.880 --> 0:59:46.320
<v Speaker 1>truly comes from within, and it's an artist or a

0:59:46.400 --> 0:59:50.440
<v Speaker 1>designer or chefs, it's like it's their creative their creative voice.

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<v Speaker 2>When you are on the journey towards this successful career

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<v Speaker 2>you have, now we are there moments of experiencing burnouturs Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>taking this project on, Okay, well I've got another project,

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<v Speaker 2>but oh no, they want me to do the whole house,

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<v Speaker 2>and oh my gosh, now I've got another one. And

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like a lot of creators today, especially online,

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<v Speaker 2>feel a lot of burnout because they feel like they

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<v Speaker 2>have to keep up with their own success. They may

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<v Speaker 2>have had an overnight moment which led to more work,

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<v Speaker 2>which is exciting but equally challenging. Even during the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 2>there were so many companies that went through their biggest

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<v Speaker 2>scaling but also led to people having to work harder

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<v Speaker 2>and longer. So how have you thought about burnout?

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<v Speaker 1>Saying no is just as important to saying yes. And

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<v Speaker 1>there are projects that I really wanted to take but

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<v Speaker 1>it just would have just over and data and stressed

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<v Speaker 1>the studio. And so timing is everything. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be other projects that will be on

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<v Speaker 1>the horizon, but you want to do a great job.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm personally so involved in every aspect of my business.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean my studio every day, providing the creative leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>To the team. I'm involved in the business.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm involved in so every aspect of the studio, And

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<v Speaker 1>so you really have to kind of pick and choose,

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<v Speaker 1>like the right time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how do you trust that the next project will come?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's so brave and thoughtful that you're like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do a great job. I'm only going

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<v Speaker 2>to take these few projects. I get it. I have

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<v Speaker 2>to say no, even though I'm so in love with this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I trust that the right projects will come. How

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<v Speaker 2>did you kind of build that sense of trust? Because

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of us fear that, oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'll never get an opportunity again if I missed

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<v Speaker 2>this one. So how did you have that more open

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<v Speaker 2>mindset that yes, I trust.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, because it came from the mistake of taking on

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<v Speaker 1>At one point, I took on a lot of work

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<v Speaker 1>and I just remember just, oh my god, I cannot

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<v Speaker 1>wait for these projects. It was we were doing three

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<v Speaker 1>hotels at one time in some residential projects. And so

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<v Speaker 1>of course I'm like, well, we're just going to hire

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<v Speaker 1>more people. But you have to be so in tune

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<v Speaker 1>with your team. And when you have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>new team, it takes like a year or so for

1:02:06.200 --> 1:02:08.960
<v Speaker 1>them to really get in sync with what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>in the studio, how it operates, what's the the the philosophies,

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<v Speaker 1>and so making the mistake of taking on too much

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember it was a really like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>stressful time, and I was burning the midnight oil and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and the team was and and then you

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<v Speaker 1>lose a team because they're burnt out, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>that's you know, terrible and so so really from those mistakes,

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<v Speaker 1>I learned to.

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<v Speaker 3>To pace myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a ten off.

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<v Speaker 3>When I sleep?

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<v Speaker 1>When I sleep and I hit the pillows so hard

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm out and I have the or ring, which

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<v Speaker 1>I love, So I know I sleep very well. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when I sleep is when I completely turn it off.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I dream design. I really I dream design

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<v Speaker 1>is amazing, and I'll wake up and I'm like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, I wish I had turned the corner to

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<v Speaker 1>see like what was next or so, but sleep and

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<v Speaker 1>I go a million miles a minute and I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I would not have it any other way. I love

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not like a great person with a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>free time.

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<v Speaker 3>I love being busy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, tell us about some of your dreams. Have

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<v Speaker 2>you ever invented, created, curated in your dreams and taken.

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<v Speaker 3>Something out of it one hundred percent?

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<v Speaker 1>Like there was like the staircase actually in Austin case,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that was like kind of a moment of something

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<v Speaker 1>that that I dreamed about, and the pottery and it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like not something you would traditionally see, like

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<v Speaker 1>a really big staircase and a new you know, contemporary architecture,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that was something that that I dreamed about.

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<v Speaker 1>And like the other night, I was having a dream

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<v Speaker 1>that I was in a house and there was like

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<v Speaker 1>this really amazing light fixture that had all of these

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<v Speaker 1>like strings of some sort with these small little lights,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was like, really, it's like very artistic, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's in my mind's eye and we'll see where it

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<v Speaker 1>comes up in the design.

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<v Speaker 3>But yes, I do dream design.

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<v Speaker 2>I love. That's that's wonderful to hear because yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>just shows how obsessed you are and how much you

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<v Speaker 2>are in the world that it's it's even happening in

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<v Speaker 2>your dreams and that staircase it's so it's so amazing though,

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<v Speaker 2>And I love that it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Dream probably also as being visual because I see so

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<v Speaker 1>many images like all day because when we're doing concept presentations,

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<v Speaker 1>like we're constantly curating images to help present our story

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<v Speaker 1>and the concept to the client, and so I just

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<v Speaker 1>have like this library of like images constantly going through

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<v Speaker 1>my head. So I know that obviously is the inspiration.

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<v Speaker 3>For my brain.

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<v Speaker 2>M hmm. Yeah. And I love the dream to design

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<v Speaker 2>because when I'm reacting to that staircase, people like Jay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a staircase, relaxed, but it really does spark so

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<v Speaker 2>much joy. Like I look at it and I go wow,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, And so it's amazing how design from

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<v Speaker 2>your dream can actually spark moments of awe, which are

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<v Speaker 2>so nice to experience when you're just walking around doing

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<v Speaker 2>your daily tasks. You know, so special. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>ask you a question, Kelly, around artists valuing their work

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<v Speaker 2>or even creatives or coaches or experts or whatever it

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<v Speaker 2>may be. I think so many of us and I

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<v Speaker 2>get this question a lot. Jay I don't feel confident

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<v Speaker 2>enough to charge what I think I'm worth. Like people

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<v Speaker 2>forget the amount of time they trained, People forget the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of time they worked. It becomes really hard to

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<v Speaker 2>come up with an hourly rate, or a project rate

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<v Speaker 2>or a piece of art. Right. I have friends who

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<v Speaker 2>are artists who are constantly like not knowing how to charge.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you make sense of how you wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>price yourself and how do you encourage people to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out how they price themselves? What things could they think

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<v Speaker 2>about in order to do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it all has to do whether if you really

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<v Speaker 1>want to be involved in the project. For example, we

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<v Speaker 1>just had this happen, like there's a really amazing project

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<v Speaker 1>that's in Asia that you know, I'd love to be

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<v Speaker 1>part of, and our few is too high, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know I'm going to be very involved, but I really

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<v Speaker 1>want to take the project. And so the client came

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<v Speaker 1>back and was like, how can we make this work?

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's like communication and you know, and really,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, both parties valuing each other's worth, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I think just being a really you know, great communication

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll have you know, some emerging artists that I

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<v Speaker 1>know are struggling and they're just getting started, and we

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<v Speaker 1>want to bring them on to a projects for a commission,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, we'll figure out ways, like can we

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<v Speaker 1>internally help them get to a place where it's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be as time consuming. So I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>really many different ways that communication is key.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you go about creating your first pricing structure?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I feel like when someone's starting out as a creative,

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<v Speaker 2>as a designer, as an artist, they can struggle so

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<v Speaker 2>much much with their self worth and what their value is,

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<v Speaker 2>but they don't want to miss out in the client

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<v Speaker 2>And so how would you encourage someone to think about

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<v Speaker 2>pricing themselves and how did you do it?

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<v Speaker 1>I really wanted the job, Like my first project, I

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<v Speaker 1>really wanted a job, and as I said, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>work for a design studio, so I didn't know really

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<v Speaker 1>how how to charge. And so I asked them, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you feel comfortable paying me to do this project?

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<v Speaker 1>And they told me and I was like wow, And

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<v Speaker 1>so I came back to them with something I found,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, thought was fair, and we met in the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was doing I really wanted the project, and

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, that is one of the projects that

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<v Speaker 1>I actually did the painting myself. And if you know

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<v Speaker 1>this is a stepping stone in your career, then maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you do take less for it. I think you have

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<v Speaker 1>to like look at all the different factors in how

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<v Speaker 1>you charge and is it, you know, for a friend,

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<v Speaker 1>is this going to be a big step in your

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<v Speaker 1>career or is this something that you know is going

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<v Speaker 1>to take a lot of time on your part and

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<v Speaker 1>your team's part, and you have to charge accordingly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think that, honestly, what you just shared

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<v Speaker 2>there is really smart and I want people to really

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<v Speaker 2>listen to that. Is it a favor for a friend?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it a project because it's just so epic? You

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<v Speaker 2>don't get to do things like that. Is it actually

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<v Speaker 2>just going to take a lot of your time and

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that epic, like it's just work? Which level

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<v Speaker 2>is it? Because that's going to affect how you price yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'd also add that I found that when people

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<v Speaker 2>are coming up with that hourly rate, they're usually thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about how much an hour is worth, But really it's

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<v Speaker 2>not about your hourly rate. It's about the hours it

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<v Speaker 2>took to get there. So for you to learn the

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<v Speaker 2>skills you have the hours it took for you to

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<v Speaker 2>make it as simple or as accessible or as useful

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<v Speaker 2>as it did to that individual. Whatever it is you're offering,

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<v Speaker 2>of course includes the hard costs of materials and things

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<v Speaker 2>like that, but really you're charging for how much someone

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<v Speaker 2>values that time or effort or work. And in these

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<v Speaker 2>circles it can be hard to understand. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>looking at other people that you aspire to be like

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<v Speaker 2>or people that are in your fields can help you

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<v Speaker 2>find that middle ground. But again I love what you

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<v Speaker 2>said about figuring out where it ranks in.

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<v Speaker 1>The order of Yeah, and most clients and are like

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable and if you if you really lay out like

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to take me this amount of hours or

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to take a year to get this done,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like this, you know, uh, this much of

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<v Speaker 1>a team.

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<v Speaker 3>And on also the skill set.

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<v Speaker 1>Because if you're if you're going to bring someone on,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that they have an incredible skill set. They're

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<v Speaker 1>going to save you time, but they're also going to

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<v Speaker 1>save you money at the end, because a mistake is money,

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<v Speaker 1>and so is it worth to pay someone up front

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<v Speaker 1>who knows exactly what they're doing and how to operate.

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<v Speaker 2>That was great, Kelly. It's been such a joy talking

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<v Speaker 2>to you today, and I'm glad that we've this has

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<v Speaker 2>been a very unique episode. We've been reacting to beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>pictures in your book. I've loved hearing about your stories

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<v Speaker 2>as well of just you know, the steps that it's

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<v Speaker 2>taken to build this phenomenal career that you're having, and

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you still feel like you're just at

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning, which is such a great mindset to have.

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<v Speaker 2>But as you know as a fan of the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>we end every episode with a final five, and you

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<v Speaker 2>have to answer all these in one word or one sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>But I always digress, So let's let's start with the

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<v Speaker 2>final five. All right. Question one is what is the

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<v Speaker 2>best design advice you've ever heard, received or given?

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<v Speaker 3>Diversity of everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll let you expand now, diversity of scale, of eras materiality,

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<v Speaker 1>because you don't want to buy all your furniture in

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<v Speaker 1>one place, and so many people do.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll go to one place and buyo.

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<v Speaker 1>The furniture because they're in a rush, and so diversity

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<v Speaker 1>is like so so important.

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<v Speaker 2>Good advice, all right, So don't don't buy everything from Ikea,

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<v Speaker 2>trust me, I know. Yeah, I've done that many times.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Got a second question, what is the worst

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<v Speaker 2>design advice you've ever heard, received or given That.

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<v Speaker 1>A project has to be done in such a short

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<v Speaker 1>amount of time that you're forced to buy everything right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Good advice, because you want.

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<v Speaker 1>To to curate everything over time, so it's meaningful.

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<v Speaker 2>I made that mistake earlier this year and we didn't. Luckily,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't go through with it, but with the house

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<v Speaker 2>was finished and I wanted to do art, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>the thing you should least rush. But there was so

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<v Speaker 2>much a part of me that was like, I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>tired of looking at blank walls, and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>feel inspired in this space, and I like, I was

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<v Speaker 2>quickly looking at collections and everything. Luckily my wife is

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm a very decisive quick person and my wife

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<v Speaker 2>is like really slow, and we'll never make a decision

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<v Speaker 2>if she doesn't have to, and so we balance each

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<v Speaker 2>other out really well because I'll be like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think this will fit there and she were like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, and then we'll sit with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think this idea of sitting with things is

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<v Speaker 2>such a great You mentioned it multiple times in this conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've learned that skill through through working on my

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<v Speaker 2>own home that sitting with something is the most important thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But often we think once we bought it and put

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<v Speaker 2>it together, we have to keep it. And luckily there

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<v Speaker 2>is a refund policy in return policy, you can give

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<v Speaker 2>things back. And I think it's interesting the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>sitting with something is something we struggle to do. We

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<v Speaker 2>think once we bought it, we have to keep it,

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<v Speaker 2>or we didn't buy it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, everything is just so fast now, everything like just

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<v Speaker 1>is like going a million miles a minute, and you

1:12:49.800 --> 1:12:53.400
<v Speaker 1>feel like you have to get something done and it's

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<v Speaker 1>such an exciting process of like you're curating things that

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to put into your home, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>take the long road home.

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<v Speaker 2>Question three. I know you do a lot of health

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<v Speaker 2>and fitness is a big priority in your life. In

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<v Speaker 2>order to how does that affect your creativity?

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<v Speaker 1>I come up with a lot of ideas. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's unbelievable having just this. It's active meditation for me

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<v Speaker 1>where I can just cleanse my my brain and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of things come to me when I

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<v Speaker 1>want to run and UH, and I love Disana as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's my active meditation. And when you create this clear

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<v Speaker 1>space in your brain, it allows for creativity.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's running your main form of that or is

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<v Speaker 2>there or are there others? Or is that your main you?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I do. I do a little bit of everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to change it up because you want to

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<v Speaker 1>surprise your body, just like you always want to surprise

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<v Speaker 1>your audience. You know, it's the same thing with you

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<v Speaker 1>and me and in design and so surprising your body

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<v Speaker 1>so important. So I'll do pilates, uh, cardio, strength training,

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<v Speaker 1>like mobility work, like a little bit everything. And I

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<v Speaker 1>love playing tennis and also padel.

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<v Speaker 2>I love padel.

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<v Speaker 3>Padel is so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I keep missing your tennis Fuse I'm so upset with myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I love tennis too, and whenever you invite me i'm

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<v Speaker 2>out of town or traveling, it makes me so sad.

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<v Speaker 1>We just put in a padel court at our house

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<v Speaker 1>and it's so much fun. It's such a great like

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<v Speaker 1>social sport with the glass walls. And we played the

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<v Speaker 1>first time last year. We went to Brazil and they're

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<v Speaker 1>all over there and it's so much fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I got into it in Dubai and so Dubai has

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<v Speaker 2>really taken off, and then I played in Miami, but

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<v Speaker 2>it hasn't taken off in LA because pickleball has. So

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<v Speaker 2>I've been playing pickleball. But padell is.

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<v Speaker 1>We just this weekend met this guy who's a Padel.

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<v Speaker 1>He's from Spain. He's like a Padel expert. He's a teacher,

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<v Speaker 1>and he told us there are eleven courts in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like there were people's homes. There's actually one ironically

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<v Speaker 1>on Santa Monica, like near like by the Peninsula Hotel,

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<v Speaker 1>like a really random place. But it's such a it's

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<v Speaker 1>such a fun sport. And I like it because it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little more like skill and uh and a little

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<v Speaker 1>more challenging.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a little more unpredagial than pable, for sure, because

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to be great at physics to play Padel.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like chess. It's like active chess. It's like

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<v Speaker 3>so yeah, it's so fun and social and really social.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely all right. Question four and five. Last two questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Question four, what's the first thing you think about when

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<v Speaker 2>you look at a space to bring it to life?

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<v Speaker 3>What's outside the window?

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting? Walk us through that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like what is outside the windows so important because

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<v Speaker 1>it's part of your interiors, Like you have to look

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<v Speaker 1>at it is it's like your first piece of art

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<v Speaker 1>in the room. So is it a tree, is it

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<v Speaker 1>another building across the street? Is it the mountains? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so important to the space.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that I did not expect that. There you go,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and how how do you use that to

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<v Speaker 2>info what goes on inside?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if we're selecting, like we were working on a

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<v Speaker 1>project in New York and there was a terracotta building

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<v Speaker 1>outside the window, and so like it was their large windows.

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<v Speaker 1>There was five of them that go across this elevation,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's really it's like a large piece of

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<v Speaker 1>art in the room. So we need some something that

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<v Speaker 1>really speaks to the window and the materiality on the building.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we had to consider it. And so it's really,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, important part of design.

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<v Speaker 2>What are some of I'm digressing here from the final five,

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<v Speaker 2>but what's what are some of the biggest mistakes you

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<v Speaker 2>think we make when it comes to setting up our

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<v Speaker 2>spaces in our rooms. What are some things to avoid

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<v Speaker 2>that people can look out for?

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<v Speaker 1>Like one thing that I love that I think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people. Like for small spaces, mirror goes so

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<v Speaker 1>such a long way and it actually really feels good.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's great feng shui and mirror and where it's

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<v Speaker 1>placed is so important.

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<v Speaker 3>And it not only creates.

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<v Speaker 1>A window if you have one window in your room.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we're working on a hotel project in like Tahoe,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know we're using you know, really beautiful millwork

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<v Speaker 1>and incorporating mirror, and like the transformation of the room

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<v Speaker 1>and what it does to the space is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that's a great note.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would say too the furniture, like really low

1:17:31.280 --> 1:17:35.480
<v Speaker 1>seating just makes your space seem so much more expansive.

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<v Speaker 1>And lighting is so important, and like one thing like

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<v Speaker 1>we really avoid is like just directional downlights.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to be so careful.

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<v Speaker 1>That they're not over seating areas because you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>have people and come to the hotel.

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<v Speaker 3>We want people to look like great.

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<v Speaker 1>And feel amazing, and so lighting is like really I

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<v Speaker 1>think underestimated and should be really considered.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it all right? Great answers? All right. Fifth and

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<v Speaker 2>final question. If you could create one design law that

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<v Speaker 2>everyone in the world had to follow, what would.

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<v Speaker 1>It be really understand what your style is, and frequent

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<v Speaker 1>museums and galleries and go out and see what things

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<v Speaker 1>say to you, because you're going to discover something.

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<v Speaker 3>That you didn't know was inside you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's going to make your interior represent who you are.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's great life advice and design advice. It's

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<v Speaker 2>knowing who you are and allowing enough input. I definitely

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<v Speaker 2>found that when we moved from London to New York

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<v Speaker 2>and then from New York to LA it was just

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<v Speaker 2>I just got exposed to so much more than I'd

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<v Speaker 2>ever been exposed to. And that exposure is what also

1:18:50.760 --> 1:18:53.120
<v Speaker 2>helped define an edit who you were and who you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to be.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're constantly changing, like the more you see. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I look at projects I did twenty years ago and

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're great, but they're different than how I would

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<v Speaker 1>approach things now. Just taking your time it's like so

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<v Speaker 1>important and I go my million miles a minute and

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<v Speaker 1>I get excited about things and I want things to

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<v Speaker 1>happen now, but really it's like taking your time, like

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<v Speaker 1>pace is everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Kelly, thank you for your time today, and thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for being so present and gracious and kind, and

1:19:29.160 --> 1:19:32.080
<v Speaker 2>that you've been so trusting of me. I've loved having

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<v Speaker 2>this conversation with you, and I hope that everyone who's

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<v Speaker 2>been listening or watching has found some inspiration, some sparks,

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<v Speaker 2>some creativity to help enliven and bring to life their spaces,

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<v Speaker 2>because I really do believe design can make you happy.

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<v Speaker 2>I really do believe that design and aesthetics in our

1:19:49.120 --> 1:19:52.760
<v Speaker 2>spaces can define how we feel and how we move

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<v Speaker 2>and the emotions that we go through.

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<v Speaker 1>And so and design too jays of something else about

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<v Speaker 1>design that we're speaking that is very more esthetic, but

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<v Speaker 1>it also makes our lives easier.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's something that continues to get.

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<v Speaker 1>Better and better and which is going to give us

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<v Speaker 1>more time. And so not only the esthetic of design,

1:20:16.080 --> 1:20:19.959
<v Speaker 1>but also the functionality, which is really you know critical.

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<v Speaker 2>Give us an example of that, because that's a great,

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<v Speaker 2>great point and we didn't talk about that. Tell us

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<v Speaker 2>a bit more about how we can think about our

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<v Speaker 2>spaces functionally in order to make them easier as well.

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<v Speaker 2>What have you found what little tips have worked for

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<v Speaker 2>you for that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, in our studio, we're actually working with AI and

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<v Speaker 1>after like during the holidays and you know, the fall

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<v Speaker 1>when open AI announced the the you know, generative.

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<v Speaker 3>Intelligence and what it can do.

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<v Speaker 1>I just listened to a lot of podcasts and read

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<v Speaker 1>up on it, and I was like, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>implement this in my studio in some way. And obviously

1:20:56.880 --> 1:21:01.800
<v Speaker 1>you can't go full force into it, so department I

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<v Speaker 1>have like a director and we're using it every day

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<v Speaker 1>and it's been like really profound and really inspirational, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not designing spaces for us, but it is actually

1:21:14.360 --> 1:21:18.400
<v Speaker 1>generating ideas that we can implement into a project and

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<v Speaker 1>something that maybe we never thought of.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell the team, I'm like, listen, this is like you

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<v Speaker 1>have like a junior designer by your side that can

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<v Speaker 1>help implement. And I'm super bullish on AI and what

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<v Speaker 1>it's doing for my business is unbelievable. And we're only

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<v Speaker 1>like at the surface, and soon we're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>have just a junior designer. Everyone's going to have a

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<v Speaker 1>senior designer working for them. And it's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>take away what we do because you've got to have

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<v Speaker 1>somebody driving the ship. But it's it's fascinating and love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I love hearing you embrace that because I

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<v Speaker 2>think so many people get scared like, oh no, like

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<v Speaker 2>people can just design their rooms by AI. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think when you're confident in conscious of what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think what parts do you think it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to help replace and help solve versus what parts

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<v Speaker 2>do you think you're like, well, wait a minute, my

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<v Speaker 2>brain will always be able to do this part.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just generating, like idea generation, but also like Photoshop

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<v Speaker 1>and how quickly that you can get things done now,

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe we can take on a certain amount of

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<v Speaker 1>work a year, but it's going to enable us to

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<v Speaker 1>probably take on more projects and be more efficient with

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<v Speaker 1>our time. And then when you're more efficient with your time,

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<v Speaker 1>your team's more happy because then they have free time.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's going to make our And this

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<v Speaker 1>is I'm not an expert in AI. I'm just telling

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<v Speaker 1>you how I'm using it and my studio using it,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's going to benefit us in so many ways

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<v Speaker 1>and helping give us more free time and idea generation,

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<v Speaker 1>which is great because it's like having a new person

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<v Speaker 1>on your team, a new creative spirit on a project

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<v Speaker 1>every day, which is unbelievable, Which is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's great. I love it. Thank you again, Kelly,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, thank you so wonderful. I hope you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're amazing and I and thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm so happy to be here finally with you

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<v Speaker 1>and uh and your You're amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, min Well. I'm glad that we keep deepening

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<v Speaker 2>our friendship. And I'll never forget the first time I

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<v Speaker 2>met you and how kind and sweet you are to me.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you so much. And I'm glad that you

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<v Speaker 2>know the book's available. I'm glad that I'm glad that

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<v Speaker 2>we're drinking from your classes. This is this is spectacular,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a beautiful. I can't wait to shove the

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<v Speaker 2>whole collection. Thank you so much. If you love this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll enjoy my interview with doctor Daniel Ahman on how

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<v Speaker 2>to change your life by changing your brain.

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<v Speaker 4>If we want a healthy mind, it actually starts with

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<v Speaker 4>a healthy brain.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I've had the blessing or the curse to scam over

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<v Speaker 4>a thousand convictions to felons and over a hundred murderers,

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<v Speaker 4>and their brains are very damaged.