1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Your home reflects who you are. You know, what are 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: you collecting, and it's just like how you dress. It's 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: such an important part of who we are. This is 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: Kelly Whistler. 5 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: She's the famed interior designer of private residences and boutique hotels. 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: We were doing three hotels at one time, and I 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: was burning the midnight oil and then you lose a 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: team because they're burnt out. Saying no is just as 9 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: important to saying yes. 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: I think that's great life advice and design advice. 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It means the world to me. 19 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 3: The best selling authoring the host the. 20 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: Number one healthy wellness. 21 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 3: Podcast on Purpose with Jay Shetty. 22 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: Today's guest is a dear friend and an incredibly powerful, 23 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: multifaceted and renowned creator of experiential, residential, hospitality, commercial and 24 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: retail environments, expansive collections of lifestyle product and thought provoking 25 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: brand collaborations. Kelly Weisler has received awards from numerous publications 26 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 2: and organizations, including Architectural Digests, eighty one hundred, Hall of Fame, 27 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: Elder Cores, The A List, Titans, Wallpaper Magazines, Top twenty Designers, 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: and Time Magazines, The Design one hundred, and Vogue's Best 29 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: Dressed List. Kelly has just launched a new book with 30 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: Rissolue titled Synchronicity. Synchronicity features her most recent work for 31 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: Proper hotels as well as several private homes. Please welcome 32 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: to the show, Kelly Wistler. Kelly, I'm really happy to 33 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: be with you because I've had so many special offline 34 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: interactions with you, and I've always loved them because you 35 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: always have this really bright, really light energy about you, 36 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: and you know, we'll bump into each other in one 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: of the beautiful hotel projects you've worked on, or we 38 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: bumped into each other at mutual friends homes, or you've 39 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 2: been here too, and I've just always appreciated just how 40 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: thoughtful that you are, how reflective you and I've been 41 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: really looking forward to this, so thank you so much 42 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: for doing it. 43 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 3: Honestly, Oh thank you, Jay. 44 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: Well, I'm so honored to be here and be one 45 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: of your guests and sitting here with you super excited. 46 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's dive in. The question I want to 47 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: start with you is can design make you happy? 48 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely? 49 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: And you know, one of the most beautiful parts of 50 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: my jobs is making people happy, which is like I mean, 51 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: you can't. I can't believe I get paid for what 52 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: I do because it's making people happy and inspiring people. 53 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: And you know, there's nothing better than designing a hotel 54 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: and going in time and time again and seeing people 55 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: laughing and having fun and listening to music and seeing 56 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: them time and time again, you know, whether they're there 57 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: as a leaser traveler or business traveler, and knowing that's 58 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: their place, that's a local venue for them, just makes 59 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: me feel so good. 60 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. I've been to two of your projects, the one 61 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: in Austin the proper hotel there, and the one downtown 62 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: in LA and they are just spectacular and you're so right. 63 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 2: Like I remember when I walked in last year, we 64 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: were going to watch f one and so come into 65 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: the Austin and I bumped into you and you were 66 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: listening to the podcast you showed it, Yeah, which is amazing. 67 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: I loved it. And then I just looked at this 68 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: one place behind the steps and you have all these 69 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: most beautiful collected like pots and vases and like they're 70 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: just they're so simply and beautifully kept on this like 71 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: this kind of step. I've known you. 72 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: Have such a good memory. 73 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a picture of on my phone, Like 74 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: it's it's stunning, and it's so interesting to me because 75 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: I think I underestimate growing up just how much spaces 76 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: and esthetics affect on mind. And today is someone who 77 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: wants to live an intentional, mindful life. I find that 78 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: design and interiors and aesthetics play such a big part 79 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: in the mood we experience and how we feel throughout 80 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: the day. What do you think it is about design 81 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: that does make people happy or sad or drain energy 82 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 2: or bring energy or like you just said, you walk 83 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 2: into space and people are connecting versus isolated, Like what 84 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: is it about design that's doing What have you learned 85 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 2: about design? 86 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: People want to see and experience something they haven't seen before, 87 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: and that's what you know, I love doing at for example, 88 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: a hotel project, and they also want to feel a location. 89 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: And you know when you travel to say Austin, Texas 90 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: and you remember those beautiful the pottery on the stabs, 91 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: I mean all those were designed by local artisans. So 92 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: really bringing like this local experience and this authentic experience 93 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: to you know, wherever we design, and you know, all 94 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: of our projects are you know, very site specific, and 95 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: you know, getting very close to our client and really 96 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: understanding and listening to what the client you know, intentions are. 97 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: There are going to be no surprises, and they're going 98 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: to love to be in their environment and it's going 99 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: to in turn make them happy. 100 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 3: And inspire them. 101 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: And we all want to live a better life, and 102 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: we all want to look better in our clothing. And 103 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: it's the same thing at home, you know, we want 104 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: to surround ourselves with things that are familiar and make 105 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: us happy. 106 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. I've got a lot of friends in my life 107 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: right now who are trying to redecorate or redesign their homes, 108 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 2: which can be such a challenging thing to do. You 109 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: obviously worked on some private homes, obviously work on hotels 110 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: and so many other spaces. But if someone's listening right 111 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 2: now and they're thinking Kelly, like, you know, the book 112 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: looks stunning, Like they've seen your pictures on Instagram. They're like, Wow, 113 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: that living room looks spectacular. But they're thinking, you know what, 114 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: maybe I don't have access to a designer. Maybe I 115 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 2: don't have access to Kelly like, but I do now 116 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: through the podcast, how do I find my creative spirit? 117 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: Like? 118 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: How do I find that spot to start that process 119 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 2: in my own home? 120 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: Well, you know, there's something that everyone gravitates towards. And 121 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: I really encourage everyone to go out to museums and 122 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: go to a flea market and go to vintage stores. 123 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: And I always say vintage stores because I think it's 124 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: important for people to see history and see things that 125 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: are soulful and that have had like this life. You know, 126 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: there's like you know, I love like you know, how 127 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: I design is like there's always an old soul and 128 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: a new spirit. 129 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: You know. 130 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: I love a merging artist and I love contemporary artists, 131 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: and that is you know, parent and everything I do. 132 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 3: I dress that way as well. 133 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: So really looking at you know, what is something you 134 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: like to collect? Are you you know, interested in art 135 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: and maybe starting there. You know, do you like color, 136 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: Maybe you want to have color in your home, and 137 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: you know, maybe that's a good. 138 00:06:59,160 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: Place to start. 139 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: And baby steps and pace is so important because when 140 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: somebody gets their apartment and I've been there, it's like, 141 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. 142 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: I want to get in there and make it amazing 143 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 3: and enjoy it right away. 144 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: But you really should take your time, like it's really 145 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: important because you're going to really value all the pieces 146 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: and they'll spark a memory, you know. So maybe you 147 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: went to a flea market with a friend and you're 148 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: going to remember that day. Or you traveled with your 149 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: boyfriend or husband and you found this really cool chair together, 150 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: or went to a gallery. 151 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: So baby stepping and being very thoughtful about what you 152 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: start to curate. 153 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: I really love what you said about history and vintage, 154 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: and I think it's so true. I'll give an example 155 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: of something that happened to me recently. So I remember 156 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: a quote from Robin Sharma which I read when I 157 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: was very young. He wrote a book called The Monk 158 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: who Sold His Ferrari. Their quote the quote read, so 159 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: it's a fiction story, and it's really funny. I read 160 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: it so young but ordinary people have big TVs. Extraordinary 161 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 2: people have big libraries, and that always inspired me. And 162 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: today I'm fortunate enough to have a beautiful bookshelf in 163 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: our main living room, which is like, you know, there's 164 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: a lot of books I can fill in that shelf. 165 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: And so what I've been doing is traveling and curating 166 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: books for that by myself, because I really enjoy reading, 167 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: but I also enjoyed design. I can't wait for this 168 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: to be right there. While I was doing that, I 169 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: was inside a store. We have a local Buck Mason 170 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 2: store here in LA and I was inside there. They 171 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 2: do a great curation and their curator always finds books 172 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 2: from all over and so I was in there checking 173 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: out their books and they said, Jay, you know what, 174 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: if you really want books, you should go to this 175 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: random vintage store down the road. And I'd never seen 176 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: this store, so I start walking around. I walk past 177 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: this store and it looks closed, and it looks really small, 178 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: and it looks really old, and I don't see anyone 179 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: in there, but I start knocking in just to make 180 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: sure this lady comes out and to your the door 181 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 2: and I say, hey, I heard you have vintage books here. 182 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 2: I'd love to see them, and she goes, oh, yeah, 183 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 2: she binds books. You could see all these like old 184 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 2: binding materials for like these, you know, massive book covers 185 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: and all of the old machinery and tools and processes 186 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: you would need. And she said, well, I don't really 187 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: sell books, but we have all these books here. And 188 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: she said, I'll tell you. You know, she told me a story. 189 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: She was like, when I got divorced from my husband, 190 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: who used to own loads of bookstores, I got half 191 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: the books. So she goes, I just have thousands and 192 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 2: thousands of books. Some of them are here most of 193 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: my home. I said, well, I'd love to look through them. 194 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: So I started looking through these books and I was 195 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 2: discovering like early editions of really special books, and I was, 196 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 2: you know, starting to make a list, and I got 197 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: a whole pile out, and she she was really like 198 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 2: she didn't care. She was like, you can take them 199 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: for free. And I was like, no, no, no, I'd love 200 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 2: to pay for them, like you know, this is such 201 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: a gift. And so I paid them whatever she asked 202 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: me to play for them. And then there was one 203 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: book and she said, I've been looking for this book 204 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: for years and she goes. I couldn't find it because 205 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: it was like all these crease pages and hidden away. 206 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: And she said, do you mind if I don't sell 207 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: this to you, can I keep it? And I said, 208 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: of course. I was like, it's your book if you 209 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: can get it. Was I really wanted it. It was cool. 210 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 2: I'd never read it, but it's a little book that 211 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: was called like the Hidden Temple, and I was like, oh, 212 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 2: that sounds so cool, like especially with my background. But anyway, 213 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 2: she kept that one. 214 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: I know, I know that that shop, you know, because 215 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: she does bookbinding and there's very few companies that do 216 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: that still, and you know the like I love going 217 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: to a bookstore and just getting lost in the aisles 218 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: and just randomly just pulling books out of something that 219 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: I know nothing about. And there's the Strand Bookstore in 220 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: New York. Love that and it's amazing bookstore. And there's 221 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: so few now, there's a few downtown that are so good. 222 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: But I agree like going and just digging around and 223 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: exploring and discovery and and really it's all about having 224 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: an open heart and being open to all the possibilities 225 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: and you know, enlightening yourself. 226 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: I think one of the challenges that makes it hard 227 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: to do. What we're both agreeing on is that we're 228 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 2: so used to now seeing the same thing. Like if 229 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 2: you're on Instagram and you're following these channels, everyone's posting 230 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: the same kind of interiors, the same kind of rug 231 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: with the same kind of table, which there's nothing wrong 232 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: with that. That's how things get mainstream and bigger and scaled. 233 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: How do you challenge yourself to stay curious and try 234 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: and discover new things? Like? How what do you do? 235 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: What are the practical steps that you take to be 236 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: open minded? 237 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: I guess I'm constantly, you know, in search of something 238 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: new that I'm gonna fall in love with. And I 239 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: know if I go to a gallery and I'm so 240 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: moved and I might see three new materials come together 241 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: in this unbelievable creation and something I've never seen before, 242 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: and my heart stops. 243 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 3: It's like seeing you know, that cute guy. 244 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: And just like, oh my God, like like you're just 245 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: so moved and it's so inspirational to me. And it's 246 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: that feeling of falling in love and you want to 247 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: keep falling in love and continue to discover and there, 248 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, there's so many new technologies and you know, 249 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: I'm inspired. 250 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 3: By pulp culture and. 251 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: AI, which is like such a huge disruptor in the 252 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: you know world of everything. 253 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 3: It's like a major earthquake happening right now. 254 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: Also, all of our clients are also different, and they come, 255 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: you know, they're from all over the world, and all 256 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: the architectures different, and the landscape, the view from the 257 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: windows different, so everything truly is one of a kind. 258 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: So I'm just always searching, Like you know, I have 259 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: my bar is like super high, and I just want 260 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: to keep doing better and striving, you know, to be 261 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: a better designer. 262 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 3: And I kind of live that way. 263 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: I want to you know, be you know the best 264 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: mom I can be, the best you know wife I 265 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: can be, and and you know leader at my studio 266 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: for my team, you know, just being inspired and sharing, 267 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: you know, my love and you know, continuing to make 268 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: people happy. 269 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 2: If there's people watching and listening right now and they're like, Kelly, 270 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,599 Speaker 2: I just have bad taste, like they're like, you know, 271 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: I just I just don't, you know, I can't. I 272 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: don't know what matches like I tribe, but it doesn't 273 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: look right like if the people feel like that, like 274 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 2: have you I'm sure, you've worked with places, people, homes, 275 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: hotels where you kind of see that creative slump. What 276 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 2: is it that you say to someone who's struggling because 277 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 2: I just have bad taste. I can't think about this, Like, 278 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 2: how would you encourage them to think about that? 279 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 3: Well, nobody should. 280 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: Back with all of the visuals in our world, with 281 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: magazines and social media and everything, like, there's so much 282 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: inspiration out there. So it's really just having an open 283 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: heart and being aware and finding your passion and what 284 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: you love and what moves you, like what excites me 285 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: seeing something that I haven't seen before, and you can't 286 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: find that unless you go out and seek it out, 287 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: Like even you might find somebody it's like, oh my god, 288 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: I love the way they dress, or I went to 289 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: this home and it was so incredible and inspirational. 290 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 3: And it happens to me all the time. I'll go 291 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 3: to a. 292 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: Party and it's like how they set the bar and 293 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: it's like wow, Like I haven't seen that, and that's 294 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: really cool, and I'm going to put it in my 295 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: bag of tricks for the next time I have, you know, 296 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: and I'm inspired and I love it. I take photos 297 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: of everything that's like my journal, Like I take photos 298 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: of everything, and every month I always. 299 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 3: Go back and look at you know, what has. 300 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: Inspired me, and you know, I share it. I like 301 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: to share it with you know, my team and in 302 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: social media and just see you know how my I 303 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: wanders and what excites me. 304 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're spot on. When I was on 305 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 2: my tour this year, I took so many pictures around 306 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: the world of stores, arts, fabriaks, textures, details, like there 307 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: were so many things that I was like, wow, I 308 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: would never have thought about that together. 309 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: Or and there's a pattern, Like that's why you'll discover 310 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: like your style, Like would you Jay, if I say 311 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: what is your style? 312 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 3: What would you say? 313 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: Oh, the way I dress or the way I like. 314 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: Myself does inherently because they go like how somebody dresses 315 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: and before you answer that question, like I always I 316 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: have clients who'll say, you know what, like I really 317 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly what I like. And I'm like, listen, 318 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: we're going to go in your closet and we're going 319 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: to see, like what you gravitate towards. 320 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 3: Is it all neutral? Like do you like pattern? Do 321 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 3: like little bits of color? Is it modern? Is it 322 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 3: more minimalist and like the answer is there. 323 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I'd say that my overall style is I 324 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 2: try and wear something that's a more or not where 325 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: I try everything to have more of an untraditional silhouette 326 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: or something that's hopefully a bit thoughtful. I like my 327 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: spaces to be very calm and very approachable, and I 328 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: think about everything like a sanctuary, So I think about 329 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 2: the energy that it has even more than the item. 330 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: And I think when I'm especially putting my spaces together, 331 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, well, what how do I want to 332 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: feel when I walk into this room? And you know, 333 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: even when we had a tiny apartment back in New York, 334 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: which we lived in like the six hundred square four apartment, 335 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 2: every corner of our apartment was thought about in that way, 336 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: like what can we put in this corner to make 337 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: it feel special? Or like how do we differentiate between 338 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: the bedroom and the bathroom when it's like in the 339 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: same space, right, Like what do you do whether it's 340 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: a scent, whether it's something you see. I even think 341 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 2: about like what's the first thing I see in the 342 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: morning and what's the last thing I see at night? 343 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 2: All of these kind of things to me are really important, 344 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: And like you said, it could be an art piece, 345 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: it could be pottery, it could be a picture of 346 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: your family. Like I think it can be anything and everything. 347 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: But I think we don't often use visual hues and esthetics. 348 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: We think of it so esthetically that we forget how 349 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 2: emotional it is, if that makes sense. We think of 350 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: it as like, Oh, that's just about looking cool and 351 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 2: being cool. It's not about feeling a certain way. But 352 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: to me, like even when I walked in today and 353 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 2: I saw the cover of your book and I was like, oh, wow, 354 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: that looks beautiful, like I wanted to feel it, and 355 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 2: I wanted to I was drawn towards it. I was like, 356 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 2: wait a minute, what's the texture like? And I think 357 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: when we were kids, that's how we approach things. When 358 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 2: you're a kid, you see something cool and you want 359 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: to touch it, you want to press the button, you 360 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: want to And I think as adults, I think we 361 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: sometimes lose that. Do you, ever, how do you feel 362 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: about Do you think that as children we are naturally 363 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 2: that way and that you are connected to your childlike 364 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: feeling or is that is that something else? 365 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: Well, I'm like the most curious person and that drives 366 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: my passion, and you know, I'm just I want to 367 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: know how something's made. 368 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 3: I want to know, you know. 369 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: And I love going to artist studios and seeing how 370 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: how they operate. I love going into a creatives home 371 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: and just see how how they organize. Curiosity is such 372 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: a big driver. And I just love the imagination, you know. 373 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: And it started when I was like really little I 374 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: had When I was about seven years old. We would 375 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: go visit my grandparents and our you know, cousins and everyone, 376 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: and I would make these little designs, like I would 377 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: take like an a carton and do something interesting, you 378 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: know with it. I would make little cards for the 379 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: family to buy, and you know, blank cards or a 380 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: drawing on it. 381 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 3: And then I would. 382 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: Pack everything up and I would take it and put 383 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: it on my grandparents' table and put little price tags. 384 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 3: I was in business. 385 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to make money because my mom was always 386 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: taking my sister and I to the flea market. And 387 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: that's where I really started educating my eye. Going to 388 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: the flea market and not having any money. 389 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 3: It's not fun. 390 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm just going to like start making 391 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: money myself, you know. And it was a great fun 392 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: thing to go. And now I can go to you know, 393 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: these vintage stores and flea markets that my mom would 394 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: go to all the time and be able to shop. 395 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: So just in going to these and being very curious 396 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: and just seeing and also I was educating my eye 397 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: from you know, a young age. 398 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, And I think that that's It's fascinating how 399 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 2: much you pick up from those moments and those times 400 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 2: about what you gravitate towards. And I always wonder whether we've, yeah, 401 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: whether we block that as we get older and we 402 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 2: start to follow a more status quo or start to 403 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 2: follow a more rhythmic routine like approach to our spaces 404 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 2: as opposed to like that childlike, as you said, curiosity, 405 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: but also that I don't know, that kind of contagious 406 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: feeling you get. I guess how do you know when 407 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: how do you know, as Kelly, when you're saying, Okay, 408 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: I need to be patient. You were just saying that 409 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 2: when someone moves to an apartment or to a home, 410 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 2: they should take their time. How do you know when 411 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 2: you should take your patients with an item or when 412 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 2: you're like, no, I need to buy it now. And 413 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 2: it's almost like taking your example of the cute guy. 414 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 2: How do you know when this is the one to 415 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 2: be with or whether you feel like you're. 416 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 3: Settling, Like that's such a good question. 417 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: Like it's intuitive, I think, you know, and the more 418 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: that you see and the more that you know what's 419 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: out there, like you're you're you know what the anomalies 420 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: are and what's really special. But it is, it's an 421 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: intuitive feeling. And working with clients and you know, these 422 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: projects that we work on can take two years, you know, 423 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: five years, and so really taking our time to find 424 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: things that are meaningful and that the clients trulier are 425 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: going to you know, they're going to live with these 426 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: pieces and and it makes them feel good. Also, when 427 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: you when you're working and buying things to your house, 428 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: you should have like a hierarchy. Everything can't be super expensive. 429 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: So that's where if you want to buy something new 430 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: and you want to you know, have a really amazing 431 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: comfortable sofa versus you know, piece of art is knowing 432 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: where to spend the money like a sofa you're going 433 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: to have, you know, probably for a shorter time. Where 434 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: you have a piece of art and you invest in it, 435 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: it brings a memory and it's so personal that you 436 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: can take it with you in your next uh, your 437 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: next home. 438 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 2: So you just incurage everyone to spend more money on 439 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: the the comfies uh that you said every day? 440 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can know because it's just it's like, you know, 441 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: it's furniture, and it's so it's so true what you 442 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: said about how just with social media and everything is 443 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: there's so much sameness out there, and so you know, 444 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: your your home reflects you know, who you are. 445 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 3: Your home, you know, reflects who you are. You know, 446 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 3: what what are you collecting? 447 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: And and you know, it's just like how you dress, 448 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: and it's such an important part. 449 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 3: Of who we are. 450 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: And don't you look like when you do zoom meetings? 451 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: Are you checking out what's behind them? 452 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 3: I know? And it says a lot about about the person. 453 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm looking at all these amazing things behind 454 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: you and like as all of this are these all 455 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: personal choices? 456 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: Yes, So what we tried to do. So my biggest 457 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 2: goal for this space, obviously this space is just so 458 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: everyone who's listening and watching you know that we're in 459 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: my podcast studio and this room is only used to 460 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 2: record the podcast. And so our goal was I wanted 461 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 2: it to feel intimate because a lot of production sets 462 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 2: have like thirty people on them, and I find conversations 463 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 2: like this to be much more intimate and close, and 464 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 2: like this is how I would sit with a friend, 465 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 2: So that was a key need. The second thing was 466 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: I didn't want it to be packed with too many 467 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 2: other people, because I think that removes the intimacy. The 468 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: choice of art was all to evoke emotion, So I 469 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 2: chose that piece there with the heart because to me, 470 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: I want to only have heart based conversations here. That's 471 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 2: what on Purpose is all about. Where we reveal our 472 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 2: hearts to each other, me included, and even our audience 473 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 2: and community is opening up their heart to the ideas 474 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 2: and topics. I genuinely put eyes there through that art 475 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 2: through because I think eye contact is such a beautiful 476 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 2: way of being present and being still and being focused 477 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: with someone. And again, these are I'm giving these subliminal 478 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: not messaging, but the deeper meaning behind why these things there. 479 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: This is an African shield and we had that there 480 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 2: because I wanted people to reminded to put their guard down. 481 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: It's almost like hanging your shield up, the thing that 482 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 2: blocks you. And then there were, and they're all pieces 483 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 2: by people of color. So all the art in here 484 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 2: were by people of color. And this was to remind 485 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: of the highest good, which is of serving and offering, 486 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 2: and which is such a big part of the philosophy 487 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: that I followed. 488 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: And you know, one question that I had is, because 489 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 1: you obviously were working in finance and in London and 490 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: you went you became a monk, how has like material 491 00:23:54,840 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: things and design and fashion you look amazing and superstylish, 492 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: and like, how has that changed for you? 493 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 2: It's such a good question. I'm so glad you asked 494 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: me that, honestly, because I think that I was always 495 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 2: interested in fashion and design before I became a monk. 496 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 2: So I was always intrigued by graphic design. I loved 497 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 2: college art and design was one of my favorite subjects 498 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 2: at school, and I did really well at it. And 499 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 2: I've talked about my art teacher often, who I credit 500 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 2: so much with my intentional thinking. So let's say we're 501 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: doing a college and we're doing mixed design. I would 502 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 2: put something together and I think it would look amazing, 503 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: and my friends would think it would look great, and 504 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 2: my teacher would look at it and say, why did 505 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: you do that, and if I didn't have a good 506 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 2: enough answer, I didn't get a good grade. And so 507 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 2: he was training me to always ask why. He was like, 508 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 2: why would you put those two things together? What's your reason? 509 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 2: And I started to realize that the intention was so important, 510 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 2: the intuitive design of putting things together. It wasn't just 511 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 2: about the form, it was about the substance. So I 512 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 2: would I loved that from before I became a monk. 513 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: I even wanted to. I had the dream of becoming 514 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 2: a graphic design or art director when I grew up 515 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 2: and put magazines together. That was always kind of what 516 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 2: I enjoyed. And obviously I left that all when I 517 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 2: became a monk and moved away from it. And the 518 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 2: monastery was always very minimalist, right, there was no It's 519 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 2: not that there was no design, and I think that's 520 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: always important to remember, Like if you've ever seen an altar, 521 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 2: an altar is highly designed, whether it's deities of God, 522 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: whether it's forms of sages or gurus. If you ever 523 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 2: walk into a temple. 524 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 3: Atmosphere, it's very decorative, very decorative. 525 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 2: And some of the temples that I visited in India 526 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 2: had like the most ornate carvings around them telling stories 527 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: and histories and pastimes of incredible epics, and you'd see 528 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 2: you'd see that the design that was above the place 529 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 2: where you stand when you're in front of the altar 530 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: had specific markings on the ceiling. Like there's so much 531 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 2: intentionality even about a temple and how they were designed. 532 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 2: And so I think I appreciated all those things. Although 533 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 2: in the temple it was very minimalist. It wasn't you know, 534 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 2: it wasn't I guess material in that sense. But I 535 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 2: think for me now, I've just allowed all my passions 536 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 2: to infuse. And I really do believe that designing your home, 537 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 2: designing what you wear or choosing and selecting it carefully 538 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 2: allows you to feel different. And so to me, design 539 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 2: a mindfulness or fashion and mindfulness or how you dress 540 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 2: is probably a better word than even fashion. But how 541 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 2: you dress and mindfulness and how you design your home 542 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 2: and mindfulness are completely synchronized, and they can't be separated. 543 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: Because I feel different when I wear something different, I 544 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 2: can express myself differently when I dress differently. I can 545 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 2: sit with you and we can create an atmosphere, hopefully 546 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 2: in this room for you and our guests that allows 547 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 2: you to be comfortable and open, and that allows you 548 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 2: to feel safe and so hopefully the answers you're question. 549 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 2: I don't know if it does, but no, it does. 550 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 3: It's great, and it is a lifestyle. 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I think one thing about your work, though, Kelly, 578 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 2: that I like, and it kind of reflects on the 579 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 2: question you asked me, is you know one of the 580 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 2: things I often struggle with is because I lived as 581 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 2: a monk and now don't and I'm married, of course, 582 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 2: and we have businesses and companies and everything else. I've 583 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 2: given myself permission to be all of the complexities of 584 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 2: who I am. And I love meditating, but I also 585 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: love media. I also love sharing messages. I also love 586 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: management and strategy, and I've just allowed all of myself 587 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 2: to coexist. And I feel that allowing myself to do 588 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 2: that has allowed me to be happier with who I am. 589 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 2: And when I look at your work, and I'll let 590 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 2: you comment on that in a second on me, but 591 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 2: when I look at your work, I see that same 592 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 2: juxtaposition of things that people would often say, well, that 593 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 2: doesn't work or that wouldn't make sense, And if you 594 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 2: walked it through theoretically, most people would argue, I think 595 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 2: with your designs that they wouldn't make sense because I 596 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: think you put things together that seem so alien and 597 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 2: challenging and random that people would say, yeah, that doesn't 598 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 2: make any sense. Now you've found a way to make 599 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 2: it cohesive and make it work. I wonder are you 600 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 2: trying to do you agree with that first of all? 601 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 2: And and how have you allowed yourself to permission to 602 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 2: put things together that people would find unexpected? 603 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: You know that that's such a good question. And when 604 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: I was starting out, there was a very specific style. 605 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: It was like the slip covered furniture and everything was neutral. 606 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: And I came to Los Angeles and I, you know, 607 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: so grateful for this. 608 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 3: First job that I got for a couple that. 609 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: Lived in Venice Beach and they needed help with like 610 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: one dining room and I was going to actually work 611 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: with a design studio and this job just fell into 612 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: my lap. And so it was on the canals in Venice. 613 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: It's really cool bungalow and designed. They were like, listen, 614 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: all we do we only have money for one room, 615 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: so let's do this. I did it, and there was color, 616 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: and there was like vintage things and there was some 617 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: contemporary artist pieces and the room like looked, you know, incredible. 618 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: They didn't quite understand it, and they were like, well, 619 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like maybe what I'm seeing, and so 620 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, I had to really like talk them through it. 621 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: And this is you know, before you know, now you're 622 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: doing like renderings for you know, your clients. To really understand, 623 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, there was a lot of communication. 624 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 3: You know. 625 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: I took them to the flea market with me, you know, 626 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: and we really made these decisions together. They were a 627 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: little apprehensive, but it turned out great. I ended up 628 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: doing the whole entire house and then somebody saw that 629 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: and so yeah, it was it was a little scary 630 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: and still now there are clients that are maybe we'll 631 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: do a presentation. They'll say, you know, I like part 632 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: of it, but maybe this part I don't like. And 633 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: if I truly believe, I'll take the time and kind 634 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: of show them the way in my thought process and 635 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: maybe give them, you know, a few more visuals. So 636 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: the team and I will work on that, you know, 637 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: but if it doesn't, if they're not one hundred percent 638 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: dialed in and excited, then we'll come up with another option. 639 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: And you know, we're all about you know, making you know, 640 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: our projects amazing and unique, but we also you know, 641 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: want to make sure our clients are like so happy 642 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: and love the space. So it can be challenging for sure. 643 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: How did you get that confidence, especially early on, right 644 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: so you asked to do a dining room? I can't 645 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 2: believe that you is, you know, like, it's beautiful to 646 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 2: hear that that today when you're designing multiple hotels and 647 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 2: that it started with just designing a dining room. And 648 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 2: I think that's so inspiring for so many people listening 649 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 2: and watching who either want to follow in your career 650 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 2: path or do something creative that they can think, wow, 651 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,719 Speaker 2: that that's where it can start. How did you have 652 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 2: the confidence at that point to walk them through it 653 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 2: and say, hey, even if you don't get it, this 654 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 2: makes sense. What gave it to you at that point 655 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 2: or did you feel at that point did you feel 656 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 2: a bit nervous when they said, hey, we're not you know, 657 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 2: we don't get it, or did you always have that 658 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 2: confidence about your work. 659 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: No, I was nervous, okay, one hundred percent. Like I 660 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, am I making the right decision? 661 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: Like I felt like in my heart it was the 662 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: right decision. So I really wanted to not convince them 663 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: but haven't understand like we're I was coming from. And 664 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: they they had faith in me, and we went for 665 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: it and it looked amazing, and you know, we still 666 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: have those clients. But yeah, it was a nervous, nerve 667 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: wracking experience. And we still now will do a presentation 668 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: like the team and I will work on something for 669 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: weeks and it's like a really big concept presentation, and 670 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: there will still sometimes be like this just doesn't feel 671 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: right because our audience maybe whether it's for a hotel 672 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: and it's a group of people, they might not they 673 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: might not have seen it before. 674 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 3: And I strive for that. 675 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: I want to do something that is unique and site specific, 676 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: and so they might not see before, so they get 677 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: a little a little timid. So again it's being, you know, 678 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: really communicating and letting the client know what what you 679 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: know is in our minds. 680 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 2: I tell us about some of the communication skills that 681 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 2: takes because I think think when people think of creative careers, 682 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 2: we think of them as purely artistic, but actually you're 683 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 2: dealing with someone's intimate homes or a hotel space, which 684 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 2: again is people are coming there to rest or relax 685 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 2: or connect or take a break. So they're very important 686 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 2: spaces for us, and therefore people are quite opinionated about them. 687 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 2: What have you learned about communicating more effectively with people, 688 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,439 Speaker 2: especially when things are so personal, because I think that's 689 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 2: a unique skill set that people wouldn't understand that you've had. 690 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 2: You'd have to have, but you obviously have to because 691 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 2: you're talking to people about things that they have very 692 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 2: clear thoughts about and specific choices for. 693 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: Dealing with confidence, like presenting it like you have to 694 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: believe it, and having confidence is everything. 695 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 3: The visuals are so. 696 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: Important, and so I like to communicate with the visuals. 697 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,959 Speaker 1: Because I can talk for an hour and the CLIs 698 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: I might still not understand like the direction. So having 699 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: the visuals is everything, and the confidence confidence is so 700 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 1: is everything. 701 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 2: For you, you know, Like we just talked about your 702 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 2: careers started from like humble beginnings, and I wonder what 703 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 2: is what was the hardest thing about getting started? What 704 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 2: was the most difficult thing on this journey to get 705 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 2: to where you are today? What was the thing that 706 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 2: scared you the most, the thing that you struggled with 707 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 2: the most. 708 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: Like I'm a really hard worker, and I know what 709 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: I like probably going into it like by myself, Like 710 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: I did the job starting out for three years by myself. 711 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 3: I was the. 712 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: Business person, the creative person. I was loading my car 713 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 1: up with the flea market with a huge chair and 714 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: putting it in myself and doing everything and so doing 715 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: that by myself. And I didn't work in a design studio, 716 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: so I didn't have that visibility to how a design 717 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: studio truly operates. So really figuring out the contracts, the 718 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: budgets and how to present that, I did it, you know, 719 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 1: on my own, and I ask a lot of questions 720 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 1: and there were some great contractors and people that I 721 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: was working with and collaborating with on these projects, and 722 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: I just asked, you know, a million questions. 723 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 3: But I would say that doing that alone. 724 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: And now when I go to a big meeting and 725 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: I get nervous doing a big presentation, and I have 726 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: my team and my support team, my family, my husband 727 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,879 Speaker 1: who's like my biggest cheerleader, and we do it as 728 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: a team, And that was probably like the most kind 729 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: of frightening part of starting. 730 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm hoping that the reason I asked is 731 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 2: I think there are so many people right now who 732 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 2: are listening, have a passion, have a creative project that 733 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,720 Speaker 2: they want to work on, and it can feel daunting 734 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 2: when you say, oh, I don't know accounts, I don't 735 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 2: know how to do my taxes, I don't know how 736 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 2: to put a presentation together. I don't know how to 737 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 2: pitch that. But you're saying, asking questions and just doing it. 738 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 2: I guess I'm guessing there are lots of me. 739 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 3: You just have to do it. 740 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, you just have to do it, and really, 741 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: you know, just having the passion and really you know, 742 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: the drive to wanting it and educating yourself along the 743 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: way and I'm continuing to educate myself along the way, 744 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: and every project we have there's a new group of creatives, 745 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: whether it's a landscape or architect lighting designer, that we 746 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: all learn from one another and that just makes me 747 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 1: and my team a better designer and we pass it 748 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: along to all of our next projects and clients. 749 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 2: What do you think was your biggest mistake that you 750 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 2: made on that part of the journey, Like something that 751 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 2: now you look back and, oh, that's ridiculous. I can't 752 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 2: believe that was a mistake that it doesn't feel that big, 753 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,839 Speaker 2: But at that time you're like, oh, no, I don't 754 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 2: know how to do this. 755 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 3: So I worked. 756 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: I worked on a project and I had one assistant, 757 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: but we were working on this project for this music 758 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: executive and she loved color, and so she was traveling 759 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: and this was actually starting out. She had a really 760 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: low budget, and so we were like, listen, we're going 761 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: to have this painted. We're going to do something unbelievable. 762 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 3: And it looked awful. 763 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: It was like so it was a wreck and it 764 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: was just too many colors just went overboard, which you 765 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: can do, which is great. 766 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 3: You to make mistakes. 767 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 1: It's so important in the creative process to make mistakes, 768 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: and so she was going to be back in a 769 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: week and my assistant and like we'd spent the money 770 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: on the painters. We so I painted myself, with my 771 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: assistant the entire house ourselves. 772 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 2: Wow. Wow. 773 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,439 Speaker 1: You know, we wanted to make it great. And that's 774 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: not the first time I've done that. We worked on 775 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: projects that there was like a little budget, and I 776 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: wanted the project so badly to be amazing, and I 777 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: wanted to make the client happy and they're just and 778 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: so I just like painted myself. 779 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 2: That's amazing, That's incredible. You sometimes that person now claimed 780 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,359 Speaker 2: that Kelly painted my eye. 781 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: I think they moved and then, but you know, I 782 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: just did it myself. 783 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 3: And sometimes you just you know, you have to do it. 784 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: You have to just put in the extra work and 785 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: make it happen. 786 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 2: What do you think was the biggest risk you took 787 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 2: on this journey where you felt like you were kind 788 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 2: of leveling up. I feel everyone goes through this phase 789 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 2: of the doing the work, they're growing the building. You 790 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 2: went from doing the dining room to the whole home. 791 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 2: What was the big risks that you thought or a 792 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 2: leap you had to take which kind of shifted your career. 793 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, when I was doing interiors 794 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: and and this is like what's so great about you know, 795 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: my job is like anyone can call any moment. I 796 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: got a call from Bergdorf Goodman, you know, this incredible 797 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: store in New York, and they were looking for a 798 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,760 Speaker 1: designer to do the like iconic restaurant on the top floor. 799 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: And so they're like, we'd like to come out and 800 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: meet with us, and we did like a presentation, and 801 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: I was like they were like, well, listen, we're speaking 802 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: to a few other people. 803 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,439 Speaker 3: And I thought for sure was going. 804 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 1: To be a New York designer, like I was the 805 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: only one on the West coast they were speaking with. 806 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,439 Speaker 1: And we ended up getting the commission, which was like unbelievable. 807 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: And this is like a store that you know, you 808 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: just you just dream about because it's you know, so 809 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 1: you know, iconic. So doing that project and it was 810 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,280 Speaker 1: like a really you know, big success. 811 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 3: It looks the same way. 812 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 1: I think it's been like twelve years since that project 813 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: was was completed. So after the project, the president of 814 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: the company said, hey, listen, you know we would love 815 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: for you to have a shop and I was thinking 816 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: about I don't sell anything, like I'm a designer and 817 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: I don't have product. So I said, well, let me 818 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: think about it, because that was like a dream. Now 819 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to have like a shop within Birdorf Goodman. 820 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 1: And so I went back and I was like, you 821 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 1: know what, I have designed a lot of things, like 822 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 1: a lot of commissions for some of our projects, and 823 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: we've done a lot of some things that we couldn't 824 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: find and we ended up designing. So within about six 825 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,720 Speaker 1: months we designed this incredible space. 826 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 3: It was like a little jewel. 827 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: Box and we were in business and I had accessories 828 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: and it was there for ten years. It did so well, 829 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: and it was a really fun thing to do, and 830 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,319 Speaker 1: you know, I took as a challenge like I want 831 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: to do this. I was so excited and I you know, 832 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: really educated myself on how to you know, find you know, 833 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: fabricators you know, around the world. A lot of our 834 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: things were made there in different places. So it was 835 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: a you know, really cool. 836 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 3: Thing, and that got me into having a store and 837 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 3: completely different, completely different. 838 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: And I think that's having an open heart and just 839 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: like riding the wave and being open to like any 840 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: opportunity and now we're you know, designing product and you 841 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 1: know hotels. I never thought in a million years I 842 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: designed a hotel, and uh, you know work, we're now 843 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: working with a lot of doing really like unbelievable cool things, 844 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,800 Speaker 1: and so it's like really exciting. 845 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 2: Are there any particular cities in the world that you 846 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 2: feel you just constantly gravitate towards or have they changed 847 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 2: over the years, And what would be some of your 848 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 2: memories of going to any of your favorite cities or 849 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 2: countries where you discovered something new or something fresh, or 850 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 2: even something that felt familiar. 851 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,799 Speaker 3: I would say going to. 852 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: Europe, like I love going like the Paris flea Market 853 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,360 Speaker 1: as like unbelievable, and just any of the European cities, 854 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 1: like I was in Amsterdam this summer and I was 855 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 1: in so great and in Belgium, and that is so 856 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 1: many incredible artists, like these really great emerging artists, And 857 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 1: when you travel, you just see like what's special. And 858 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: I think it's so important to travel because if you 859 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 1: our world is becoming so same, there's not a lot 860 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: of you know, if you look on your Instagram and 861 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: you know in your technology, things are feeling the same. 862 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,320 Speaker 1: So it's so important to travel because you really see 863 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: what are the special materials and the inherent designs and 864 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 1: craftsmanship that many of these different countries have. So it 865 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 1: was very important to get out and see things in person. 866 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Kelly, I want to do something intuitive with you, 867 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 2: seeing as we're both being intuitive. So I'm going to 868 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 2: look through your beautiful but which I love to do 869 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,359 Speaker 2: in general anyway, and I'm going to pick things that 870 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 2: intuitively call out to me, okay, and then ask you 871 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:35,879 Speaker 2: the story about that. How does that sound? 872 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 3: Okay? 873 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay, there's so much stuff already. I saw 874 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 2: this picture. I fell in love with this. Actually, I 875 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 2: was like addicted to this whole space for a second. 876 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 2: Maybe I should ask you to walk me through this 877 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,279 Speaker 2: because I saw this on your Instagram too. 878 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a project that's in California, and we 879 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: worked on it with an architect, Marron el said, and 880 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: he did the I'm on and I'm u Geary right, 881 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 1: and he's just such a talent. 882 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 3: And this is an. 883 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:12,960 Speaker 1: Aniche Kapor artwork, a Jonas Bolan chair that is from 884 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 1: the eighties. That chair, the chair is like sculpture and 885 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: that's why Actually, Jay like one of the things is, 886 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, you think you've seen everything, and so for example, 887 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: like a stiletto heel, you think you've seen every stiletto heel, 888 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 1: and someone comes out with something that totally blows you 889 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: away and it's like a new thing that. 890 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 3: That your heart stops. 891 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 1: And it's the same thing with a chair and having 892 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: like artists find their creative spirit. You know, that's a 893 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,760 Speaker 1: three legged chair, and just people continue to to design 894 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 1: and come up with things that you've seen, you've never 895 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,520 Speaker 1: seen before. And it's the same thing with music, Like 896 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 1: you think you've heard like every kind of rhythm or 897 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: sample and you just or something new that just blows 898 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 1: you away. 899 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,720 Speaker 2: What about people who think that, like you know, Kelly, 900 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,239 Speaker 2: I don't have enough money to make a space look good? 901 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 2: Like do you need to spend big in order to 902 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 2: create a space that feels good to you? 903 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 1: No, one hundred percent, because you can, just like I did. 904 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,799 Speaker 1: You can paint a wall and it could be one wall, 905 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 1: which is actually kind of cool. Every wall doesn't have 906 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: to be the same color makes it more interesting. And 907 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 1: just have one amazing chair that you love and one 908 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 1: light we need light light fixture and a table and like, 909 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: let it sit for a while and really just that 910 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 1: showcases your style. And it's nice to live in something 911 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: a little more minimal for a while. 912 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 3: Like I used to live. 913 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 1: Where I just had so many things that you know, 914 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 1: I found on my travels and there would just be 915 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. And I've kind of changed. I 916 00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 1: like things that are really like a little more minimal 917 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: and important less that's the piece shine and have its 918 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:03,240 Speaker 1: own moment. 919 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think minimalism is definitely where I feel like 920 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 2: I feel at home. It's quite minimalist. There's a lot 921 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 2: of empty space. Everything's very low as well, which I 922 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 2: really like. 923 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: I know, I love like low, like some of these 924 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: like beds and furniture. I mean you need like a 925 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: stool to step on. They're so they're so tall, and 926 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: it's and it's to say everything's getting. 927 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 3: Big, yes, everything, like literally we were. 928 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: Designed designing tabletop and you know we plates, like you know, 929 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,359 Speaker 1: they're so much bigger now. 930 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 3: It's like everything. And so while I love. 931 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,399 Speaker 1: Really low beds because I think you feel like really 932 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,280 Speaker 1: low to the ground, and it also makes a small 933 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,440 Speaker 1: bedroom like feel more expansive because it doesn't cut the 934 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 1: room in half. 935 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,920 Speaker 3: So a bed that's note. Yeah, a bed. 936 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: That's like twelve inches in height, and it's so nice. 937 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,760 Speaker 1: I mean it's very you know, it's like in Ja Japan, 938 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,759 Speaker 1: everything's like really low and it doesn't get in the 939 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 1: way windows, and it makes your space feel so much 940 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:02,920 Speaker 1: more expansive. 941 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,720 Speaker 2: These are very good practical tips. I think everyone, everyone's 942 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 2: everyone's going to be getting low beds because of that. 943 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 2: This space is spectacular. I don't think I've seen this 944 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 2: in real life that you would do. All the tiles 945 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 2: and everything. 946 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,839 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that is in Austin where we met. 947 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 1: We actually spoke over on the right side there, and yeah, 948 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,800 Speaker 1: so that is a restaurant and so all those tiles. 949 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 1: I was in Portugal and I stumbled upon this shop 950 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: that had tiles, and it was like a seventy five 951 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 1: year old family owned tile company. 952 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:35,880 Speaker 3: And I went. 953 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 1: Inside and I was so moved in this restaurant, the 954 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,440 Speaker 1: chef that we were designing this restaurant for. It's Mediterranean, 955 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,280 Speaker 1: and so the reason why it's very patchwork is because 956 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,719 Speaker 1: all of these tiles came from different like decades and periods, 957 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 1: and so you know, many of it's like dead stock. 958 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,560 Speaker 1: And there was seven left or maybe twenty left and 959 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,839 Speaker 1: so really created this patchwork of all of this, you know, 960 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,200 Speaker 1: different color and pattern and reliefs, and it looks, you know, amazing. 961 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. It's I didn't I didn't see 962 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,319 Speaker 2: that day. I think we were hitting on the other side. 963 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 2: We're on the other side right well through them. I'm 964 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 2: trying to figure that out. 965 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 966 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: And it's also like making do with what you have 967 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,400 Speaker 1: or what you've seen. Like I could easily gone in 968 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,319 Speaker 1: this tile store and seen one tile that I absolutely 969 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,399 Speaker 1: loved and like, okay, let's just do the entire wall 970 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 1: in that. But you know, having something that that you know, okay, 971 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,560 Speaker 1: how can we make this work and make it really 972 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,120 Speaker 1: interesting and kind of just you know, letting your creative 973 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:35,840 Speaker 1: juices flow. 974 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 2: I think that's what's so beautiful about it is that 975 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,400 Speaker 2: when we're present and when we're when we observe. I 976 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,239 Speaker 2: find that And I don't know how I started doing 977 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 2: it with furniture and things like that, but I feel 978 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,040 Speaker 2: like when you've really I think it's just mindfulness training, 979 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,160 Speaker 2: But when you get really present with like looking at 980 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 2: even the direction of like the grain lines you know 981 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,600 Speaker 2: on a piece of wood, or whether it's looking at 982 00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 2: like how it's cut or connected or you know. And 983 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,520 Speaker 2: I don't have any of the vocabulary of an interior 984 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,240 Speaker 2: design at all, or the language or have any skills 985 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,200 Speaker 2: in this space. I can appreciate something that looks beautiful, 986 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 2: and so as I'm looking through. 987 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 3: This, yeah, and things that are also like imperfect. 988 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 1: And if you you know, if we're skinning, if we're 989 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 1: skinning a wall in timber, and you know, you want 990 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 1: the hand of it to really show its like dimensionality 991 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:30,600 Speaker 1: and how things are assembled and put together, and it's all, 992 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,239 Speaker 1: you know, part of the storytelling. And it does like 993 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 1: things that are imperfect are so beautiful, which is kind 994 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,080 Speaker 1: of crazy because I'm a little bit of a perfectionist 995 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to like, you know, let things go 996 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,560 Speaker 1: a little more. Like sometimes like I literally will go 997 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,719 Speaker 1: to like one of the hotels and I will see 998 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 1: the furniture that's out of place, and people are like, 999 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,800 Speaker 1: oh God, there's Kelly, Like she's like moving like the furniture. 1000 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,479 Speaker 1: I'll I can tell if things are like two inches off. 1001 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I like to keep things like super tight, 1002 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 1: but sometimes you have to like let it go. 1003 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,040 Speaker 2: No, I'm with you, my wife, and I get into 1004 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,319 Speaker 2: I will rearrange dining chairs are on the table every night, 1005 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 2: just because. 1006 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,640 Speaker 3: I totally am that person. 1007 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, my wife, love, what are you doing? I'm like, no, 1008 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,799 Speaker 2: these are just too close and I can't appreciate this 1009 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,040 Speaker 2: space because of this. I'm totally like that. So I 1010 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:21,879 Speaker 2: get that, and. 1011 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,160 Speaker 1: I told my boys, I'm like, listen, I see everything, 1012 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,360 Speaker 1: like you'll never pull anything over on me. 1013 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I see everything. 1014 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,920 Speaker 2: I love it. This piece I saw. I loved it 1015 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,879 Speaker 2: from the moment I saw it, and mean, it looks spectacular. Yeah. 1016 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,440 Speaker 1: So this is in the hotel that's in downtown, and 1017 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: it's a pool suite because the building is a historic 1018 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,720 Speaker 1: building and it used to in one of its lives 1019 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,719 Speaker 1: be a YMCA, and so in order to get the 1020 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,600 Speaker 1: historic tax credits you have to keep a lot of 1021 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,160 Speaker 1: the programming there. So there was a pool and it's 1022 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 1: quite it's like a thirty forty foot pool. And so 1023 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,279 Speaker 1: it's a three bedroom suite and it has its own 1024 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,200 Speaker 1: kitchen so you know you can stay in this. You know, 1025 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,120 Speaker 1: really incredible. I mean, this is an experience that you'll 1026 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,839 Speaker 1: really rarely get. And that's what we like to do, 1027 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 1: is like, you know, give people an experience and something 1028 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,239 Speaker 1: that they can take an incredible memory home with them. 1029 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,359 Speaker 2: Well, I mean there's I could stop at every page, 1030 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,680 Speaker 2: So I'm really trying to be intuitive as I said. 1031 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you have to go to the Santa Monica proper. 1032 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,080 Speaker 2: Yes, I've been there before. 1033 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:26,800 Speaker 3: Have you been there? 1034 00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,480 Speaker 2: Very is beautiful. No, I've been there. I've had I've 1035 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 2: been there for birthdays and events, and yeah, that space 1036 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,319 Speaker 2: is spectacular. Downstairs upstairs, have been on the rooftop as well, 1037 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,160 Speaker 2: It's a really beautiful space. I love the use of 1038 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,760 Speaker 2: like plants and nature like to me, these kind of spaces. 1039 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,160 Speaker 2: Of course, these kind of spaces are really special with 1040 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 2: like this kind of composition. But that feel similar to 1041 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,279 Speaker 2: the first one I showed you, I think, but when 1042 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,279 Speaker 2: people are trying to do plants in their home, how 1043 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,280 Speaker 2: should they think about it? Because I feel like that's 1044 00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,799 Speaker 2: something that people try hard and struggle with keeping them 1045 00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,879 Speaker 2: any life is one thing, but you know. 1046 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,360 Speaker 1: Like that is where having something that if you have 1047 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:11,200 Speaker 1: a really incredible yeah, that's that's so great. Well, we 1048 00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,440 Speaker 1: are so fortunate to work with some amazing talents and 1049 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,720 Speaker 1: but I actually love going to the nurseries and seeking 1050 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,600 Speaker 1: out these unbelievable specimens that have that are imperfect and 1051 00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,160 Speaker 1: that really transform your interior. 1052 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,240 Speaker 3: And I think too like less. 1053 00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,919 Speaker 1: Is more, although I do love uh, you know, we're 1054 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 1: working on a project where there's a selarium and there's 1055 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,320 Speaker 1: there's so many you know, incredible you know plants and 1056 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,920 Speaker 1: uh in different colors of green and the pots and 1057 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,960 Speaker 1: it just tells like a really beautiful story. And that 1058 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 1: project that is an artwork. That's a vase, the chair, 1059 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:49,560 Speaker 1: do you see. 1060 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, this this this is probably one of my favorite 1061 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,560 Speaker 2: rooms you've ever done. Like I love this room. 1062 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:55,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1063 00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,880 Speaker 1: So that's the grotto and the grotto actually the inspira 1064 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,080 Speaker 1: it's a library. 1065 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:02,240 Speaker 3: When we were. 1066 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,839 Speaker 1: Working on this hotel, I wanted an intimate space where 1067 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,200 Speaker 1: people could go and have a meeting and hang out. 1068 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,799 Speaker 1: And this is a hotel that's in Santa Monica and 1069 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,400 Speaker 1: so the it's like maritime. I mean that was the inspiration. 1070 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,520 Speaker 1: And so I went to a friend's parents' house and 1071 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 1: there were an older couple and they live in Malibu, 1072 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,799 Speaker 1: and I remember walking in their home and being so 1073 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,440 Speaker 1: inspired because they had this incredible artwork and they had 1074 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,000 Speaker 1: a library and all of these things that you know, 1075 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,800 Speaker 1: they're well traveled couple that they've collected their whole life 1076 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,680 Speaker 1: and it just felt so real and represented them. And 1077 00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,600 Speaker 1: so this room, the grotto we called it. We brought 1078 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,400 Speaker 1: in a lot of emerging artists from Los Angeles and 1079 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,000 Speaker 1: then we also found a lot of vintage pieces as well, 1080 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,080 Speaker 1: and it's just a great place that you can have 1081 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,760 Speaker 1: a meeting and it's like being in a grotto. 1082 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,360 Speaker 2: Yeah lit podcast studio right there. Yeah, I love it. No, 1083 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,520 Speaker 2: it's beautiful And like I said, I could going on 1084 00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,040 Speaker 2: and I'm glad we did that though, because I love 1085 00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,919 Speaker 2: hearing you react and tell us the story behind incredible things. 1086 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,000 Speaker 1: And I'm such a visual person, like it helps to 1087 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,640 Speaker 1: like see to see things because I am like so 1088 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,240 Speaker 1: visual and it's such a you know, a big part 1089 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,279 Speaker 1: of you know, my spirit and what I do. And 1090 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,800 Speaker 1: that's like when I was doing the masterclass, they were like, listen, 1091 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,960 Speaker 1: we want you to you know, you're going to be 1092 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, the teacher and you're just going to talk. 1093 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,120 Speaker 1: And I was like, but you guys, everything is like 1094 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,360 Speaker 1: so visual and tactile and there's like materiality and so 1095 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:33,560 Speaker 1: much to the story. And so we uh went outside 1096 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,279 Speaker 1: the box and went on some site visits yeah, so fun. 1097 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, you actually went out with. 1098 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:40,680 Speaker 3: The way we went out. 1099 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible. 1100 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, we went out too and toured and and I 1101 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,400 Speaker 1: think then people can apply and I think if somebody 1102 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,920 Speaker 1: is not like really skilled, if designed, like, they also 1103 00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,839 Speaker 1: need to see things as well, so that helps them, 1104 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,239 Speaker 1: you know, to apply it to you know, what they're 1105 00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:57,759 Speaker 1: trying to do. 1106 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,719 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and people can actually learn from you directly from 1107 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,840 Speaker 2: the master class. So that's that's a great way of 1108 00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,560 Speaker 2: giving people the tools. If you're inspired from today, then 1109 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,920 Speaker 2: hopefully the master class will help you piece together all 1110 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,000 Speaker 2: these amazing lessons that Kelly sharing. Kelly, you didn't You've 1111 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,520 Speaker 2: said before or I've learned before that you didn't always 1112 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,920 Speaker 2: plan on being a mom or like you didn't think 1113 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,560 Speaker 2: about it as your natural course. But it's something that 1114 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,840 Speaker 2: of course I've even met some of your children, I 1115 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:23,399 Speaker 2: believe as well. 1116 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,279 Speaker 1: So yes, yes, yeah, so my like growing up, you know, 1117 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,160 Speaker 1: my my mom worked, my grandmothers both worked, and so 1118 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,799 Speaker 1: having you know, the white picket fence was not you 1119 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,480 Speaker 1: know in my in my mind, I wanted to work 1120 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,440 Speaker 1: and I really love designed, you know, from when I 1121 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,759 Speaker 1: was doing my bunny shop, when I was seven years 1122 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,920 Speaker 1: old and really discovering my passion in high school and 1123 00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,239 Speaker 1: just like you, I love graphic design. And that's kind 1124 00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,919 Speaker 1: of where it all started from, is going to the 1125 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,600 Speaker 1: flea markets with my mom and seeing all the magazines 1126 00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,439 Speaker 1: and so I really wanted to work and. 1127 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,400 Speaker 3: Be, you know, have a career. 1128 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,640 Speaker 1: And then I met my incredible husband, Brad, and a 1129 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:10,800 Speaker 1: family was important to him, and I was like, okay, 1130 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,319 Speaker 1: I got to think about it. You know, I have 1131 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,560 Speaker 1: an open heart, like I'm in love with you. You know, 1132 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,319 Speaker 1: I'm in love with my husband, and so I said, 1133 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,880 Speaker 1: let's do We'll have one. We got engaged and and 1134 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:26,280 Speaker 1: I got pregnant. That was the most transformational like moment 1135 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,400 Speaker 1: in my life. My family's everything and kids are like 1136 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,080 Speaker 1: the most like incredible layer to life. 1137 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,880 Speaker 3: And I love what I do, like absolutely love what 1138 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:36,239 Speaker 3: I do. 1139 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,560 Speaker 1: But it's like there's nothing like it and it's like 1140 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,960 Speaker 1: just everything, and yeah, it's the most beautiful thing. Like 1141 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,600 Speaker 1: my kids are my heroes. They teach me like so 1142 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,560 Speaker 1: much about life and you know, and I just had 1143 00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,759 Speaker 1: a baby, and you know, so many people were like, oh, well, 1144 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,640 Speaker 1: you have two older kids, and like, you know, what 1145 00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:01,040 Speaker 1: would do do differently? Like reflecting and is spend the 1146 00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,560 Speaker 1: most amount of time with your kids now because it 1147 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:04,760 Speaker 1: goes by so fast. 1148 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, how's that? How's that been with? Also, of course 1149 00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,839 Speaker 2: your ambition and you're working on so many projects like 1150 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,400 Speaker 2: you've been able to. It sounds like be so present 1151 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,600 Speaker 2: with your kids and not have to give up your passion. 1152 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,040 Speaker 2: And I think that that's such an important thing that 1153 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,040 Speaker 2: we also need to see as well, because I think 1154 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,320 Speaker 2: in that advice of people thinking, God, I just spend 1155 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,960 Speaker 2: every time, we kind of let go of the things 1156 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,240 Speaker 2: that you value. How have you? And I don't like 1157 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,520 Speaker 2: the word balance because I don't think that's necessarily what 1158 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,760 Speaker 2: I'm asking. It's almost like, how do you keep passion 1159 00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,080 Speaker 2: and presence alive, present with your family, but then your passion, 1160 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:41,760 Speaker 2: which kind of keeps you alive. How do you keep 1161 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:42,320 Speaker 2: both alive? 1162 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:43,560 Speaker 3: It can be a struggle. 1163 00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,120 Speaker 1: And what I do is when I'm at work, I'm 1164 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,360 Speaker 1: so present with my team and I go to my 1165 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,720 Speaker 1: studio like I love going to my studio. 1166 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,360 Speaker 3: I'm like in the thick of it with them every day. 1167 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,919 Speaker 1: But I make time for my kids and obviously they're 1168 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,360 Speaker 1: things that you miss out on, and you know, it's 1169 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:10,120 Speaker 1: all about prioritizing and having a routine and schedule and yes, 1170 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:14,280 Speaker 1: like reflecting, you know, with with Oliver and Elliott when 1171 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,520 Speaker 1: they were younger, and this is before there was like 1172 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,200 Speaker 1: zoom meeting and working from home and all that is. 1173 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:20,000 Speaker 3: I miss things. 1174 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,200 Speaker 1: I was traveling and you know it, it broke my heart, 1175 00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,600 Speaker 1: but I was also happy. I was happy that I 1176 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,960 Speaker 1: was being fulfilled as a designer and I was living 1177 00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,240 Speaker 1: my dream and I am living my dream and they 1178 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,160 Speaker 1: see that and and makes me an incredible mom because 1179 00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,520 Speaker 1: I get to teach them things. But yeah, it's definitely, 1180 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,439 Speaker 1: you know, can be can be tough. 1181 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:48,040 Speaker 2: What is the difference between creativity and replication? And is 1182 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,680 Speaker 2: replication the thief of creativity? 1183 00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:56,280 Speaker 1: It's it's such an interesting question. And for me, creativity 1184 00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:03,400 Speaker 1: comes within. It's your soul and it's your stylistic voice, 1185 00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:11,600 Speaker 1: and replication is looking outward. So what maybe inspires you 1186 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:18,560 Speaker 1: to design a certain way? And you know, for example, 1187 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:25,520 Speaker 1: replication can inform creativity. And if we're designing a front 1188 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,920 Speaker 1: desk of a hotel and the functionality works so well, 1189 00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,360 Speaker 1: we're going to incorporate that, but then we're going to 1190 00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,400 Speaker 1: give it a new spirit by skinning it with another material. 1191 00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:41,800 Speaker 1: So that's where the replication comes into play. But creativity 1192 00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,320 Speaker 1: truly comes from within, and it's an artist or a 1193 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,440 Speaker 1: designer or chefs, it's like it's their creative their creative voice. 1194 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,200 Speaker 2: When you are on the journey towards this successful career 1195 00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:59,959 Speaker 2: you have, now we are there moments of experiencing burnouturs Okay, 1196 01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,360 Speaker 2: taking this project on, Okay, well I've got another project, 1197 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,040 Speaker 2: but oh no, they want me to do the whole house, 1198 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,760 Speaker 2: and oh my gosh, now I've got another one. And 1199 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,200 Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of creators today, especially online, 1200 01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,920 Speaker 2: feel a lot of burnout because they feel like they 1201 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,240 Speaker 2: have to keep up with their own success. They may 1202 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,080 Speaker 2: have had an overnight moment which led to more work, 1203 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,200 Speaker 2: which is exciting but equally challenging. Even during the pandemic, 1204 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,960 Speaker 2: there were so many companies that went through their biggest 1205 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,400 Speaker 2: scaling but also led to people having to work harder 1206 01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,280 Speaker 2: and longer. So how have you thought about burnout? 1207 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:34,840 Speaker 1: Saying no is just as important to saying yes. And 1208 01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,000 Speaker 1: there are projects that I really wanted to take but 1209 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,000 Speaker 1: it just would have just over and data and stressed 1210 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:46,240 Speaker 1: the studio. And so timing is everything. And I know 1211 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,000 Speaker 1: there's going to be other projects that will be on 1212 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,880 Speaker 1: the horizon, but you want to do a great job. 1213 01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm personally so involved in every aspect of my business. 1214 01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,440 Speaker 1: I mean my studio every day, providing the creative leadership. 1215 01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,920 Speaker 3: To the team. I'm involved in the business. 1216 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:06,160 Speaker 1: I'm involved in so every aspect of the studio, And 1217 01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,600 Speaker 1: so you really have to kind of pick and choose, 1218 01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:10,840 Speaker 1: like the right time. 1219 01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:14,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you trust that the next project will come? 1220 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,280 Speaker 2: I think that's so brave and thoughtful that you're like, look, 1221 01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:19,880 Speaker 2: I want to do a great job. I'm only going 1222 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,000 Speaker 2: to take these few projects. I get it. I have 1223 01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,080 Speaker 2: to say no, even though I'm so in love with this, 1224 01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,880 Speaker 2: but I trust that the right projects will come. How 1225 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,520 Speaker 2: did you kind of build that sense of trust? Because 1226 01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,000 Speaker 2: I think a lot of us fear that, oh no, 1227 01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,040 Speaker 2: maybe I'll never get an opportunity again if I missed 1228 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:39,240 Speaker 2: this one. So how did you have that more open 1229 01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,160 Speaker 2: mindset that yes, I trust. 1230 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:45,000 Speaker 1: Well, because it came from the mistake of taking on 1231 01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,160 Speaker 1: At one point, I took on a lot of work 1232 01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,240 Speaker 1: and I just remember just, oh my god, I cannot 1233 01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,040 Speaker 1: wait for these projects. It was we were doing three 1234 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,760 Speaker 1: hotels at one time in some residential projects. And so 1235 01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:57,760 Speaker 1: of course I'm like, well, we're just going to hire 1236 01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,480 Speaker 1: more people. But you have to be so in tune 1237 01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,680 Speaker 1: with your team. And when you have a lot of 1238 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,120 Speaker 1: new team, it takes like a year or so for 1239 01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,960 Speaker 1: them to really get in sync with what's going on 1240 01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:13,560 Speaker 1: in the studio, how it operates, what's the the the philosophies, 1241 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,720 Speaker 1: and so making the mistake of taking on too much 1242 01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,120 Speaker 1: and I remember it was a really like, you know, 1243 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:23,520 Speaker 1: stressful time, and I was burning the midnight oil and uh, 1244 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,400 Speaker 1: you know, and the team was and and then you 1245 01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,960 Speaker 1: lose a team because they're burnt out, and you know 1246 01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:34,800 Speaker 1: that's you know, terrible and so so really from those mistakes, 1247 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,720 Speaker 1: I learned to. 1248 01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:37,680 Speaker 3: To pace myself. 1249 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,640 Speaker 2: Do you have a ten off. 1250 01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:40,360 Speaker 3: When I sleep? 1251 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,160 Speaker 1: When I sleep and I hit the pillows so hard 1252 01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,880 Speaker 1: and I'm out and I have the or ring, which 1253 01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,439 Speaker 1: I love, So I know I sleep very well. But yeah, 1254 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,360 Speaker 1: when I sleep is when I completely turn it off. 1255 01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,840 Speaker 1: But then I dream design. I really I dream design 1256 01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:01,560 Speaker 1: is amazing, and I'll wake up and I'm like, oh 1257 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,920 Speaker 1: my god, I wish I had turned the corner to 1258 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:08,240 Speaker 1: see like what was next or so, but sleep and 1259 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,080 Speaker 1: I go a million miles a minute and I love it. 1260 01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,400 Speaker 1: I would not have it any other way. I love 1261 01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm not like a great person with a lot of 1262 01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:15,040 Speaker 1: free time. 1263 01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:16,440 Speaker 3: I love being busy. 1264 01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,560 Speaker 2: I mean, tell us about some of your dreams. Have 1265 01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,560 Speaker 2: you ever invented, created, curated in your dreams and taken. 1266 01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,600 Speaker 3: Something out of it one hundred percent? 1267 01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:29,760 Speaker 1: Like there was like the staircase actually in Austin case, 1268 01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,160 Speaker 1: Like that was like kind of a moment of something 1269 01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,480 Speaker 1: that that I dreamed about, and the pottery and it's 1270 01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:39,080 Speaker 1: kind of like not something you would traditionally see, like 1271 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:43,560 Speaker 1: a really big staircase and a new you know, contemporary architecture, 1272 01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,680 Speaker 1: and so that was something that that I dreamed about. 1273 01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,479 Speaker 1: And like the other night, I was having a dream 1274 01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,520 Speaker 1: that I was in a house and there was like 1275 01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,439 Speaker 1: this really amazing light fixture that had all of these 1276 01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,880 Speaker 1: like strings of some sort with these small little lights, 1277 01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,680 Speaker 1: and it was like, really, it's like very artistic, Like 1278 01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,520 Speaker 1: it's in my mind's eye and we'll see where it 1279 01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,200 Speaker 1: comes up in the design. 1280 01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,320 Speaker 3: But yes, I do dream design. 1281 01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:14,440 Speaker 2: I love. That's that's wonderful to hear because yeah, it 1282 01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,280 Speaker 2: just shows how obsessed you are and how much you 1283 01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,480 Speaker 2: are in the world that it's it's even happening in 1284 01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,440 Speaker 2: your dreams and that staircase it's so it's so amazing though, 1285 01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:23,320 Speaker 2: And I love that it's. 1286 01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,760 Speaker 1: Dream probably also as being visual because I see so 1287 01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:31,280 Speaker 1: many images like all day because when we're doing concept presentations, 1288 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:35,760 Speaker 1: like we're constantly curating images to help present our story 1289 01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,760 Speaker 1: and the concept to the client, and so I just 1290 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,560 Speaker 1: have like this library of like images constantly going through 1291 01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:47,640 Speaker 1: my head. So I know that obviously is the inspiration. 1292 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:47,760 Speaker 3: For my brain. 1293 01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,160 Speaker 2: M hmm. Yeah. And I love the dream to design 1294 01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,880 Speaker 2: because when I'm reacting to that staircase, people like Jay, 1295 01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,360 Speaker 2: it's a staircase, relaxed, but it really does spark so 1296 01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,280 Speaker 2: much joy. Like I look at it and I go wow, 1297 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,480 Speaker 2: like you know, And so it's amazing how design from 1298 01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:06,880 Speaker 2: your dream can actually spark moments of awe, which are 1299 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,919 Speaker 2: so nice to experience when you're just walking around doing 1300 01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,440 Speaker 2: your daily tasks. You know, so special. I want to 1301 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,480 Speaker 2: ask you a question, Kelly, around artists valuing their work 1302 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:22,320 Speaker 2: or even creatives or coaches or experts or whatever it 1303 01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,240 Speaker 2: may be. I think so many of us and I 1304 01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,520 Speaker 2: get this question a lot. Jay I don't feel confident 1305 01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,479 Speaker 2: enough to charge what I think I'm worth. Like people 1306 01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,760 Speaker 2: forget the amount of time they trained, People forget the 1307 01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,880 Speaker 2: amount of time they worked. It becomes really hard to 1308 01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,400 Speaker 2: come up with an hourly rate, or a project rate 1309 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,920 Speaker 2: or a piece of art. Right. I have friends who 1310 01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,960 Speaker 2: are artists who are constantly like not knowing how to charge. 1311 01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,880 Speaker 2: How did you make sense of how you wanted to 1312 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,160 Speaker 2: price yourself and how do you encourage people to figure 1313 01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,840 Speaker 2: out how they price themselves? What things could they think 1314 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:53,920 Speaker 2: about in order to do that? 1315 01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,000 Speaker 1: Well, it all has to do whether if you really 1316 01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,720 Speaker 1: want to be involved in the project. For example, we 1317 01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:03,840 Speaker 1: just had this happen, like there's a really amazing project 1318 01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,760 Speaker 1: that's in Asia that you know, I'd love to be 1319 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,120 Speaker 1: part of, and our few is too high, and I 1320 01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:10,960 Speaker 1: know I'm going to be very involved, but I really 1321 01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,400 Speaker 1: want to take the project. And so the client came 1322 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,120 Speaker 1: back and was like, how can we make this work? 1323 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,960 Speaker 1: So I think it's like communication and you know, and really, 1324 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, both parties valuing each other's worth, and so 1325 01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,360 Speaker 1: I think just being a really you know, great communication 1326 01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,640 Speaker 1: and we'll have you know, some emerging artists that I 1327 01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,760 Speaker 1: know are struggling and they're just getting started, and we 1328 01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,720 Speaker 1: want to bring them on to a projects for a commission, 1329 01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,840 Speaker 1: and you know, we'll figure out ways, like can we 1330 01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,920 Speaker 1: internally help them get to a place where it's not 1331 01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,520 Speaker 1: going to be as time consuming. So I think there's 1332 01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,840 Speaker 1: really many different ways that communication is key. 1333 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:54,200 Speaker 2: How did you go about creating your first pricing structure? 1334 01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,680 Speaker 2: Because I feel like when someone's starting out as a creative, 1335 01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,800 Speaker 2: as a designer, as an artist, they can struggle so 1336 01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:03,240 Speaker 2: much much with their self worth and what their value is, 1337 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:04,800 Speaker 2: but they don't want to miss out in the client 1338 01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:08,280 Speaker 2: And so how would you encourage someone to think about 1339 01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,080 Speaker 2: pricing themselves and how did you do it? 1340 01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:14,320 Speaker 1: I really wanted the job, Like my first project, I 1341 01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,360 Speaker 1: really wanted a job, and as I said, I didn't 1342 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,800 Speaker 1: work for a design studio, so I didn't know really 1343 01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:24,000 Speaker 1: how how to charge. And so I asked them, I said, 1344 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:28,200 Speaker 1: what do you feel comfortable paying me to do this project? 1345 01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,200 Speaker 1: And they told me and I was like wow, And 1346 01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,960 Speaker 1: so I came back to them with something I found, 1347 01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,360 Speaker 1: you know, thought was fair, and we met in the middle. 1348 01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,760 Speaker 1: But I was doing I really wanted the project, and 1349 01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,760 Speaker 1: so you know, that is one of the projects that 1350 01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,520 Speaker 1: I actually did the painting myself. And if you know 1351 01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,840 Speaker 1: this is a stepping stone in your career, then maybe 1352 01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,840 Speaker 1: you do take less for it. I think you have 1353 01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:57,800 Speaker 1: to like look at all the different factors in how 1354 01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,440 Speaker 1: you charge and is it, you know, for a friend, 1355 01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,680 Speaker 1: is this going to be a big step in your 1356 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:08,080 Speaker 1: career or is this something that you know is going 1357 01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,520 Speaker 1: to take a lot of time on your part and 1358 01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,600 Speaker 1: your team's part, and you have to charge accordingly. 1359 01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that, honestly, what you just shared 1360 01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,080 Speaker 2: there is really smart and I want people to really 1361 01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,639 Speaker 2: listen to that. Is it a favor for a friend? 1362 01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,479 Speaker 2: Is it a project because it's just so epic? You 1363 01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,960 Speaker 2: don't get to do things like that. Is it actually 1364 01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:29,080 Speaker 2: just going to take a lot of your time and 1365 01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,320 Speaker 2: it's not that epic, like it's just work? Which level 1366 01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,360 Speaker 2: is it? Because that's going to affect how you price yourself. 1367 01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:39,439 Speaker 2: And I'd also add that I found that when people 1368 01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,320 Speaker 2: are coming up with that hourly rate, they're usually thinking 1369 01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,640 Speaker 2: about how much an hour is worth, But really it's 1370 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,240 Speaker 2: not about your hourly rate. It's about the hours it 1371 01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:49,840 Speaker 2: took to get there. So for you to learn the 1372 01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,360 Speaker 2: skills you have the hours it took for you to 1373 01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,120 Speaker 2: make it as simple or as accessible or as useful 1374 01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,519 Speaker 2: as it did to that individual. Whatever it is you're offering, 1375 01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:02,679 Speaker 2: of course includes the hard costs of materials and things 1376 01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:07,280 Speaker 2: like that, but really you're charging for how much someone 1377 01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:11,920 Speaker 2: values that time or effort or work. And in these 1378 01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,280 Speaker 2: circles it can be hard to understand. And I think 1379 01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,040 Speaker 2: looking at other people that you aspire to be like 1380 01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,559 Speaker 2: or people that are in your fields can help you 1381 01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,160 Speaker 2: find that middle ground. But again I love what you 1382 01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,760 Speaker 2: said about figuring out where it ranks in. 1383 01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,439 Speaker 1: The order of Yeah, and most clients and are like 1384 01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,280 Speaker 1: reasonable and if you if you really lay out like 1385 01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,559 Speaker 1: it's going to take me this amount of hours or 1386 01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:36,720 Speaker 1: it's going to take a year to get this done, 1387 01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:40,880 Speaker 1: and it's like this, you know, uh, this much of 1388 01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:41,400 Speaker 1: a team. 1389 01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,200 Speaker 3: And on also the skill set. 1390 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,639 Speaker 1: Because if you're if you're going to bring someone on, 1391 01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:48,920 Speaker 1: you know that they have an incredible skill set. They're 1392 01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:50,600 Speaker 1: going to save you time, but they're also going to 1393 01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:54,759 Speaker 1: save you money at the end, because a mistake is money, 1394 01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,759 Speaker 1: and so is it worth to pay someone up front 1395 01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,200 Speaker 1: who knows exactly what they're doing and how to operate. 1396 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,960 Speaker 2: That was great, Kelly. It's been such a joy talking 1397 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,200 Speaker 2: to you today, and I'm glad that we've this has 1398 01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,000 Speaker 2: been a very unique episode. We've been reacting to beautiful 1399 01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,200 Speaker 2: pictures in your book. I've loved hearing about your stories 1400 01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,599 Speaker 2: as well of just you know, the steps that it's 1401 01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:17,360 Speaker 2: taken to build this phenomenal career that you're having, and 1402 01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,120 Speaker 2: I love that you still feel like you're just at 1403 01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,599 Speaker 2: the beginning, which is such a great mindset to have. 1404 01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,639 Speaker 2: But as you know as a fan of the podcast, 1405 01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,720 Speaker 2: we end every episode with a final five, and you 1406 01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,120 Speaker 2: have to answer all these in one word or one sentence. 1407 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,160 Speaker 2: But I always digress, So let's let's start with the 1408 01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,800 Speaker 2: final five. All right. Question one is what is the 1409 01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:41,240 Speaker 2: best design advice you've ever heard, received or given? 1410 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,240 Speaker 3: Diversity of everything. 1411 01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:54,120 Speaker 1: I'll let you expand now, diversity of scale, of eras materiality, 1412 01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,200 Speaker 1: because you don't want to buy all your furniture in 1413 01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,120 Speaker 1: one place, and so many people do. 1414 01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:00,920 Speaker 3: They'll go to one place and buyo. 1415 01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,560 Speaker 1: The furniture because they're in a rush, and so diversity 1416 01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,640 Speaker 1: is like so so important. 1417 01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,879 Speaker 2: Good advice, all right, So don't don't buy everything from Ikea, 1418 01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,880 Speaker 2: trust me, I know. Yeah, I've done that many times. 1419 01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,320 Speaker 2: All right. Got a second question, what is the worst 1420 01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:24,200 Speaker 2: design advice you've ever heard, received or given That. 1421 01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,280 Speaker 1: A project has to be done in such a short 1422 01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:31,880 Speaker 1: amount of time that you're forced to buy everything right now. 1423 01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,720 Speaker 3: Good advice, because you want. 1424 01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:39,400 Speaker 1: To to curate everything over time, so it's meaningful. 1425 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,200 Speaker 2: I made that mistake earlier this year and we didn't. Luckily, 1426 01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,160 Speaker 2: I didn't go through with it, but with the house 1427 01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,080 Speaker 2: was finished and I wanted to do art, and that's 1428 01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,120 Speaker 2: the thing you should least rush. But there was so 1429 01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,600 Speaker 2: much a part of me that was like, I'm just 1430 01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:54,519 Speaker 2: tired of looking at blank walls, and I wanted to 1431 01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,360 Speaker 2: feel inspired in this space, and I like, I was 1432 01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,960 Speaker 2: quickly looking at collections and everything. Luckily my wife is 1433 01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,479 Speaker 2: so I'm a very decisive quick person and my wife 1434 01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,479 Speaker 2: is like really slow, and we'll never make a decision 1435 01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:07,240 Speaker 2: if she doesn't have to, and so we balance each 1436 01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,400 Speaker 2: other out really well because I'll be like, yeah, I 1437 01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:10,800 Speaker 2: think this will fit there and she were like, no, 1438 01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:12,479 Speaker 2: I don't think so, and then we'll sit with it. 1439 01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,080 Speaker 2: And I think this idea of sitting with things is 1440 01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:19,560 Speaker 2: such a great You mentioned it multiple times in this conversation. 1441 01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:23,599 Speaker 2: And I've learned that skill through through working on my 1442 01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,920 Speaker 2: own home that sitting with something is the most important thing. 1443 01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,840 Speaker 2: But often we think once we bought it and put 1444 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,599 Speaker 2: it together, we have to keep it. And luckily there 1445 01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,760 Speaker 2: is a refund policy in return policy, you can give 1446 01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,880 Speaker 2: things back. And I think it's interesting the idea of 1447 01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,360 Speaker 2: sitting with something is something we struggle to do. We 1448 01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:41,720 Speaker 2: think once we bought it, we have to keep it, 1449 01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:42,559 Speaker 2: or we didn't buy it. 1450 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,680 Speaker 1: Well, everything is just so fast now, everything like just 1451 01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,720 Speaker 1: is like going a million miles a minute, and you 1452 01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,400 Speaker 1: feel like you have to get something done and it's 1453 01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:57,640 Speaker 1: such an exciting process of like you're curating things that 1454 01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:02,120 Speaker 1: you're going to put into your home, but you know, 1455 01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:03,280 Speaker 1: take the long road home. 1456 01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,880 Speaker 2: Question three. I know you do a lot of health 1457 01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,280 Speaker 2: and fitness is a big priority in your life. In 1458 01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,080 Speaker 2: order to how does that affect your creativity? 1459 01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,120 Speaker 1: I come up with a lot of ideas. It's just 1460 01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:20,000 Speaker 1: it's unbelievable having just this. It's active meditation for me 1461 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:24,880 Speaker 1: where I can just cleanse my my brain and uh, 1462 01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:26,760 Speaker 1: and a lot of things come to me when I 1463 01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:31,280 Speaker 1: want to run and UH, and I love Disana as well. Yeah, 1464 01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,840 Speaker 1: it's my active meditation. And when you create this clear 1465 01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,880 Speaker 1: space in your brain, it allows for creativity. 1466 01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,320 Speaker 2: And he's running your main form of that or is 1467 01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,120 Speaker 2: there or are there others? Or is that your main you? 1468 01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,400 Speaker 3: No, I do. I do a little bit of everything. 1469 01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:47,040 Speaker 1: I like to change it up because you want to 1470 01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,639 Speaker 1: surprise your body, just like you always want to surprise 1471 01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,280 Speaker 1: your audience. You know, it's the same thing with you 1472 01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,840 Speaker 1: and me and in design and so surprising your body 1473 01:13:55,960 --> 01:14:00,320 Speaker 1: so important. So I'll do pilates, uh, cardio, strength training, 1474 01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,120 Speaker 1: like mobility work, like a little bit everything. And I 1475 01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,120 Speaker 1: love playing tennis and also padel. 1476 01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:07,920 Speaker 2: I love padel. 1477 01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:09,880 Speaker 3: Padel is so cool. 1478 01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,639 Speaker 2: I keep missing your tennis Fuse I'm so upset with myself. 1479 01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,320 Speaker 2: I love tennis too, and whenever you invite me i'm 1480 01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,360 Speaker 2: out of town or traveling, it makes me so sad. 1481 01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:19,719 Speaker 1: We just put in a padel court at our house 1482 01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,439 Speaker 1: and it's so much fun. It's such a great like 1483 01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:27,120 Speaker 1: social sport with the glass walls. And we played the 1484 01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,000 Speaker 1: first time last year. We went to Brazil and they're 1485 01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,439 Speaker 1: all over there and it's so much fun. 1486 01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,040 Speaker 2: I got into it in Dubai and so Dubai has 1487 01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,080 Speaker 2: really taken off, and then I played in Miami, but 1488 01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,640 Speaker 2: it hasn't taken off in LA because pickleball has. So 1489 01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,120 Speaker 2: I've been playing pickleball. But padell is. 1490 01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,000 Speaker 1: We just this weekend met this guy who's a Padel. 1491 01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,320 Speaker 1: He's from Spain. He's like a Padel expert. He's a teacher, 1492 01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:53,040 Speaker 1: and he told us there are eleven courts in Los Angeles. 1493 01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,080 Speaker 1: They're like there were people's homes. There's actually one ironically 1494 01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:02,799 Speaker 1: on Santa Monica, like near like by the Peninsula Hotel, 1495 01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,800 Speaker 1: like a really random place. But it's such a it's 1496 01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:07,479 Speaker 1: such a fun sport. And I like it because it's 1497 01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:11,760 Speaker 1: a little more like skill and uh and a little 1498 01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:12,360 Speaker 1: more challenging. 1499 01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,040 Speaker 2: It's a little more unpredagial than pable, for sure, because 1500 01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,000 Speaker 2: you've got to be great at physics to play Padel. 1501 01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:20,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like chess. It's like active chess. It's like 1502 01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,839 Speaker 3: so yeah, it's so fun and social and really social. 1503 01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:27,799 Speaker 2: Absolutely all right. Question four and five. Last two questions. 1504 01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:33,439 Speaker 2: Question four, what's the first thing you think about when 1505 01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:36,200 Speaker 2: you look at a space to bring it to life? 1506 01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:37,759 Speaker 3: What's outside the window? 1507 01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:39,920 Speaker 2: Interesting? Walk us through that. 1508 01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,960 Speaker 1: It's like what is outside the windows so important because 1509 01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,479 Speaker 1: it's part of your interiors, Like you have to look 1510 01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,639 Speaker 1: at it is it's like your first piece of art 1511 01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,519 Speaker 1: in the room. So is it a tree, is it 1512 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:54,960 Speaker 1: another building across the street? Is it the mountains? You know, 1513 01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,719 Speaker 1: it's so important to the space. 1514 01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,320 Speaker 2: Wow, that I did not expect that. There you go, 1515 01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:04,600 Speaker 2: you know, and how how do you use that to 1516 01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,240 Speaker 2: info what goes on inside? 1517 01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,640 Speaker 1: Well, if we're selecting, like we were working on a 1518 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,120 Speaker 1: project in New York and there was a terracotta building 1519 01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:15,719 Speaker 1: outside the window, and so like it was their large windows. 1520 01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,480 Speaker 1: There was five of them that go across this elevation, 1521 01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:21,640 Speaker 1: and so it's really it's like a large piece of 1522 01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,040 Speaker 1: art in the room. So we need some something that 1523 01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:29,160 Speaker 1: really speaks to the window and the materiality on the building. 1524 01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,360 Speaker 1: And so we had to consider it. And so it's really, 1525 01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, important part of design. 1526 01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,880 Speaker 2: What are some of I'm digressing here from the final five, 1527 01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,400 Speaker 2: but what's what are some of the biggest mistakes you 1528 01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:42,960 Speaker 2: think we make when it comes to setting up our 1529 01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,400 Speaker 2: spaces in our rooms. What are some things to avoid 1530 01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:47,000 Speaker 2: that people can look out for? 1531 01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,080 Speaker 1: Like one thing that I love that I think a 1532 01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:55,519 Speaker 1: lot of people. Like for small spaces, mirror goes so 1533 01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,120 Speaker 1: such a long way and it actually really feels good. 1534 01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,439 Speaker 1: Like there's great feng shui and mirror and where it's 1535 01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,479 Speaker 1: placed is so important. 1536 01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:08,760 Speaker 3: And it not only creates. 1537 01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,960 Speaker 1: A window if you have one window in your room. 1538 01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,120 Speaker 1: Like we're working on a hotel project in like Tahoe, 1539 01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:17,879 Speaker 1: and you know we're using you know, really beautiful millwork 1540 01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:21,880 Speaker 1: and incorporating mirror, and like the transformation of the room 1541 01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,760 Speaker 1: and what it does to the space is unbelievable. 1542 01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:26,920 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's a great note. 1543 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:31,200 Speaker 1: But I would say too the furniture, like really low 1544 01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:35,480 Speaker 1: seating just makes your space seem so much more expansive. 1545 01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:39,320 Speaker 1: And lighting is so important, and like one thing like 1546 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,560 Speaker 1: we really avoid is like just directional downlights. 1547 01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,200 Speaker 3: You have to be so careful. 1548 01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,840 Speaker 1: That they're not over seating areas because you know, we 1549 01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:49,519 Speaker 1: have people and come to the hotel. 1550 01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,560 Speaker 3: We want people to look like great. 1551 01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:56,280 Speaker 1: And feel amazing, and so lighting is like really I 1552 01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,960 Speaker 1: think underestimated and should be really considered. 1553 01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,880 Speaker 2: Got it all right? Great answers? All right. Fifth and 1554 01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,960 Speaker 2: final question. If you could create one design law that 1555 01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,519 Speaker 2: everyone in the world had to follow, what would. 1556 01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:16,040 Speaker 1: It be really understand what your style is, and frequent 1557 01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:22,479 Speaker 1: museums and galleries and go out and see what things 1558 01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,240 Speaker 1: say to you, because you're going to discover something. 1559 01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:27,479 Speaker 3: That you didn't know was inside you. 1560 01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:31,120 Speaker 1: That's going to make your interior represent who you are. 1561 01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,719 Speaker 2: I think that's great life advice and design advice. It's 1562 01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:40,240 Speaker 2: knowing who you are and allowing enough input. I definitely 1563 01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,040 Speaker 2: found that when we moved from London to New York 1564 01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:44,840 Speaker 2: and then from New York to LA it was just 1565 01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,679 Speaker 2: I just got exposed to so much more than I'd 1566 01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,679 Speaker 2: ever been exposed to. And that exposure is what also 1567 01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,120 Speaker 2: helped define an edit who you were and who you 1568 01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:53,640 Speaker 2: wanted to be. 1569 01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,479 Speaker 1: And you're constantly changing, like the more you see. Like 1570 01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:01,560 Speaker 1: I look at projects I did twenty years ago and 1571 01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:07,639 Speaker 1: they're they're great, but they're different than how I would 1572 01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:11,160 Speaker 1: approach things now. Just taking your time it's like so 1573 01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:16,280 Speaker 1: important and I go my million miles a minute and 1574 01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,400 Speaker 1: I get excited about things and I want things to 1575 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:22,680 Speaker 1: happen now, but really it's like taking your time, like 1576 01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:23,639 Speaker 1: pace is everything. 1577 01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:26,479 Speaker 2: Well, Kelly, thank you for your time today, and thank 1578 01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,160 Speaker 2: you for being so present and gracious and kind, and 1579 01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,080 Speaker 2: that you've been so trusting of me. I've loved having 1580 01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,000 Speaker 2: this conversation with you, and I hope that everyone who's 1581 01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,879 Speaker 2: been listening or watching has found some inspiration, some sparks, 1582 01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:42,559 Speaker 2: some creativity to help enliven and bring to life their spaces, 1583 01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,160 Speaker 2: because I really do believe design can make you happy. 1584 01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:49,040 Speaker 2: I really do believe that design and aesthetics in our 1585 01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:52,760 Speaker 2: spaces can define how we feel and how we move 1586 01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:54,519 Speaker 2: and the emotions that we go through. 1587 01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:58,160 Speaker 1: And so and design too jays of something else about 1588 01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:02,559 Speaker 1: design that we're speaking that is very more esthetic, but 1589 01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,360 Speaker 1: it also makes our lives easier. 1590 01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:07,960 Speaker 3: And that's something that continues to get. 1591 01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,640 Speaker 1: Better and better and which is going to give us 1592 01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:16,040 Speaker 1: more time. And so not only the esthetic of design, 1593 01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:19,959 Speaker 1: but also the functionality, which is really you know critical. 1594 01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,080 Speaker 2: Give us an example of that, because that's a great, 1595 01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,880 Speaker 2: great point and we didn't talk about that. Tell us 1596 01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,400 Speaker 2: a bit more about how we can think about our 1597 01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,679 Speaker 2: spaces functionally in order to make them easier as well. 1598 01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,040 Speaker 2: What have you found what little tips have worked for 1599 01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:33,479 Speaker 2: you for that? 1600 01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:38,679 Speaker 1: Well, in our studio, we're actually working with AI and 1601 01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:42,639 Speaker 1: after like during the holidays and you know, the fall 1602 01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:47,560 Speaker 1: when open AI announced the the you know, generative. 1603 01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,240 Speaker 3: Intelligence and what it can do. 1604 01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:53,080 Speaker 1: I just listened to a lot of podcasts and read 1605 01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:54,160 Speaker 1: up on it, and I was like, I'm going to 1606 01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:56,839 Speaker 1: implement this in my studio in some way. And obviously 1607 01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:01,800 Speaker 1: you can't go full force into it, so department I 1608 01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:06,280 Speaker 1: have like a director and we're using it every day 1609 01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:10,360 Speaker 1: and it's been like really profound and really inspirational, and 1610 01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:14,320 Speaker 1: it's not designing spaces for us, but it is actually 1611 01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:18,400 Speaker 1: generating ideas that we can implement into a project and 1612 01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,559 Speaker 1: something that maybe we never thought of. 1613 01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:21,960 Speaker 3: And you know, and I. 1614 01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:23,840 Speaker 1: Tell the team, I'm like, listen, this is like you 1615 01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:26,960 Speaker 1: have like a junior designer by your side that can 1616 01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:31,320 Speaker 1: help implement. And I'm super bullish on AI and what 1617 01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:36,639 Speaker 1: it's doing for my business is unbelievable. And we're only 1618 01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,160 Speaker 1: like at the surface, and soon we're not going to 1619 01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,240 Speaker 1: have just a junior designer. Everyone's going to have a 1620 01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,880 Speaker 1: senior designer working for them. And it's not going to 1621 01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:46,880 Speaker 1: take away what we do because you've got to have 1622 01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,880 Speaker 1: somebody driving the ship. But it's it's fascinating and love it. 1623 01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I love hearing you embrace that because I 1624 01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:55,960 Speaker 2: think so many people get scared like, oh no, like 1625 01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,040 Speaker 2: people can just design their rooms by AI. But I 1626 01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:02,000 Speaker 2: think when you're confident in conscious of what you're doing, 1627 01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,680 Speaker 2: what do you think what parts do you think it's 1628 01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:07,679 Speaker 2: going to help replace and help solve versus what parts 1629 01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:09,360 Speaker 2: do you think you're like, well, wait a minute, my 1630 01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,520 Speaker 2: brain will always be able to do this part. 1631 01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:19,200 Speaker 1: It's just generating, like idea generation, but also like Photoshop 1632 01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:22,840 Speaker 1: and how quickly that you can get things done now, 1633 01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,439 Speaker 1: So maybe we can take on a certain amount of 1634 01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,840 Speaker 1: work a year, but it's going to enable us to 1635 01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:31,000 Speaker 1: probably take on more projects and be more efficient with 1636 01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,559 Speaker 1: our time. And then when you're more efficient with your time, 1637 01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,719 Speaker 1: your team's more happy because then they have free time. 1638 01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:42,599 Speaker 1: So I think it's going to make our And this 1639 01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:45,000 Speaker 1: is I'm not an expert in AI. I'm just telling 1640 01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:48,559 Speaker 1: you how I'm using it and my studio using it, 1641 01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,040 Speaker 1: But it's going to benefit us in so many ways 1642 01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:55,200 Speaker 1: and helping give us more free time and idea generation, 1643 01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:58,080 Speaker 1: which is great because it's like having a new person 1644 01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:01,440 Speaker 1: on your team, a new creative spirit on a project 1645 01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:06,600 Speaker 1: every day, which is unbelievable, Which is unbelievable. 1646 01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. I love it. Thank you again, Kelly, 1647 01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,759 Speaker 2: thank you, thank you so wonderful. I hope you. 1648 01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're amazing and I and thanks for having me. 1649 01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,920 Speaker 1: And I'm so happy to be here finally with you 1650 01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,080 Speaker 1: and uh and your You're amazing. 1651 01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,160 Speaker 2: Thank you, min Well. I'm glad that we keep deepening 1652 01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,880 Speaker 2: our friendship. And I'll never forget the first time I 1653 01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,720 Speaker 2: met you and how kind and sweet you are to me. 1654 01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,600 Speaker 2: So thank you so much. And I'm glad that you 1655 01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:33,519 Speaker 2: know the book's available. I'm glad that I'm glad that 1656 01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,960 Speaker 2: we're drinking from your classes. This is this is spectacular, 1657 01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,280 Speaker 2: this is a beautiful. I can't wait to shove the 1658 01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,960 Speaker 2: whole collection. Thank you so much. If you love this episode, 1659 01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:45,599 Speaker 2: you'll enjoy my interview with doctor Daniel Ahman on how 1660 01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,960 Speaker 2: to change your life by changing your brain. 1661 01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:53,360 Speaker 4: If we want a healthy mind, it actually starts with 1662 01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:54,200 Speaker 4: a healthy brain. 1663 01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:54,640 Speaker 3: You know. 1664 01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:58,719 Speaker 4: I've had the blessing or the curse to scam over 1665 01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:02,800 Speaker 4: a thousand convictions to felons and over a hundred murderers, 1666 01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,120 Speaker 4: and their brains are very damaged.