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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmelk. Thank you so much for being

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Speaker 1: with us today. Everybody our normal Friday pod. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: have Bob Papa with the head coach of the Giants,

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Speaker 1: Mike Kafka. We're gonna have a good Cowboys preview from

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Fort Worth Star Telegram Nick Harris. But we're

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Speaker 1: gonna lead things off with our player interview. This week,

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Speaker 1: I had a chance to talk to Giants rookie Marcus Bow.

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Speaker 1: We spoke about a variety of topics, including his rookie year,

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Speaker 1: where he's improved, the moach the most, the matchup against

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, that and a whole lot more. Here's

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Speaker 1: my talk with Marcus Bow, joined by Marcus Bow in

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Speaker 1: the Hackensack Green Hill Podcast too. Keep getting better, Marcus.

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Speaker 1: What's going on man? Happy Year, Happy New Year? How's

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Speaker 1: anything going man? Yes, sir, all right, well let's start here.

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Speaker 1: Last week, tough matchup against Malcolm Koons through a variety

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Speaker 1: of things at you during the game. When you went

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Speaker 1: back and looked at it, how do you think you did?

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Speaker 2: I thought it was all right, you know, first start

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Speaker 2: in a while, felt good to be back out there,

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Speaker 2: just getting reps. Obviously things will work on, you know,

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Speaker 2: obviously things to improve on. So yeah, be better next week.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you've gotten to the point now towards the end

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Speaker 1: of your rookie season. Does this NFL season feel like

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Speaker 1: it's like, whoa, this is long compared to what I

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Speaker 1: had in college, And you're like, all right, wow, like

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Speaker 1: we've been doing this a while now.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you look at it that way, I

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Speaker 2: feel like it can be like, wow, this is long.

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Speaker 2: Today's getting along, but like at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: like it's football for me. So it's like I'm loveball.

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Speaker 2: So I'm out here every day just grateful to get

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Speaker 2: another opportunity. But it's it's it's a little long go

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Speaker 2: from college to the NFL. It's a little long.

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Speaker 1: But I was just like, I'm sure it's a little

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Speaker 1: bit different though for you, right because you talked about it.

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Speaker 1: You probably want the season to keep going because you

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Speaker 1: have been playing in every game, so I'm sure you're

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Speaker 1: sitting there like, yeah, give me one more, one more, no,

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Speaker 1: what I mean more?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm sure you know, talking to older guys

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Speaker 2: or different players, it might be a little different.

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, when you kind of look back at your

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Speaker 1: season and you look at it from like a holistic perspective,

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Speaker 1: how do you view your rookie season?

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Speaker 2: And he went for me, I'm, you know, very blessed

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Speaker 2: to just be on the field and be in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: like as a dream of mind growing up, and I'm

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Speaker 2: very glad to be here. But uh, outside of that,

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Speaker 2: I feel like the growth and the development of myself

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Speaker 2: just being able to build off that and keep going,

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Speaker 2: we've been awesome.

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Speaker 1: We talked about growth and development. Let's start there. Let's

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Speaker 1: start pass protection wise. Where do you think you've grown

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Speaker 1: the most and developed the most as a pass protective

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Speaker 1: since you walked in here in April?

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Speaker 2: Overall control and consistency, you know, just putting string things together,

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Speaker 2: you know, when you're trying something new, like whenever I

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Speaker 2: started playing left tackle, like that was new for me.

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Speaker 2: So getting my feet down, getting my hands down, just

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Speaker 2: making things, making sure things were right. You know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, So growing that throughout the season each day

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Speaker 2: and each week, that was probably the biggest thing for me.

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Speaker 1: Now that you've done it, what was that adjustment? Like

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Speaker 1: doing a lot of left tackle issue when you were

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Speaker 1: primarily on the right side in college, it.

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Speaker 2: Was definitely different. I like you said, all all right?

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Speaker 2: In college, it was definitely an adjustment. Especially going against

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Speaker 2: I just took it as a challenge, you know, every

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Speaker 2: So it was a challenge and I liked it.

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Speaker 1: Do you still have to think about it now or

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Speaker 2: It's more natural, especially like these past couple weeks, I've

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Speaker 2: But it's easier as the season goes on.

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Speaker 1: If I asked you, let's say tomorrow, all right, Oh no,

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Speaker 2: On Sunday if you have Yeah, yeah, I feel like, honestly,

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Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Well, you talked about the past protection and taking having

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Speaker 1: to go against top edge rushers every week. You know,

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Speaker 1: every edge rusher you face in the NFL is probably

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Speaker 1: better than maybe the best guy you faced in colleg

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Speaker 1: Right when you look back, is that the biggest adjustment

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Speaker 1: Was there something else that was an even bigger adjustment

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say I'd say that that would be it.

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Speaker 2: Just the overall talent jump and the overall strength jump

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Speaker 2: of the NFL to college is really what it is.

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Speaker 2: You know, Uh, we have a tremendous defensive line here,

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Speaker 2: so that was you know great and how narrow you know,

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Speaker 2: it's it wakes you up when you get here and

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Speaker 2: it accommodates you for the season.

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Speaker 1: Is it more? And you talked about it the strength

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Speaker 1: and the actual physical burst and quickness and speed, or

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Speaker 1: is it the savvy and know how too that that

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Speaker 1: that makes a big difference, knowing that these vets in

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Speaker 1: the league know all the tricks. Yeah, I feel like

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Speaker 1: the combination of both is deadly.

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I mean, I

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Speaker 2: feel like the power is what it is like if

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Speaker 2: no matter what point of life they are, you what

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's always going to get you the win.

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Speaker 2: So I feel like that's the biggest jump right there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked in the preseason, and I remember you

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Speaker 1: told me, Look, I know I have good feet. I

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Speaker 1: know guys aren't going to beat me with their speed.

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Speaker 1: I can get out there, but I'm trying to work

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Speaker 1: on staying firm against bull rushes. As you work through

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Speaker 1: I'd say so.

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Speaker 2: Just being able to work with the strength staff every

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Speaker 2: preparing myself for power rushers and whatnot was also the

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Speaker 2: biggest part of it. Because you know, you know you strong,

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Speaker 2: you work out. You do all these things and you

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Speaker 2: just gotta at the end of the day, you just

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Speaker 3: For it, you know.

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Speaker 2: So being trying not to maybe explode out is on

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Speaker 2: better base, you know what I mean. So just refining

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Speaker 2: I feel like it definitely has helped me.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's pass port. Let's know about the run game, now,

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Speaker 1: where do you think you kind of from a technical

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Speaker 1: physical perspective, made the biggest jump in the one game.

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Speaker 2: Being under control? Uh, just not you know, going diving

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Speaker 2: I mean, just making sure you're under control and keep

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Speaker 1: What run scheme do you enjoy running the most? Do

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Speaker 1: you like using your athleticism in the outside zone stuff?

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Speaker 1: Do you like pulling as an offensive one? And what

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Speaker 1: what scheme do you enjoy the most?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I like I like zone, I like getting

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Speaker 1: All right. We talked about the physical technique part, but

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Speaker 1: how about mentally? Where do you think mentally you really

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Speaker 1: start to figure things out and then made the biggest

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Speaker 2: Uh being able to play behind the players that I

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Speaker 2: have been this year, you know, Jermaine and and and Drew,

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Speaker 2: you know, the two tackles that we have, they've been

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Speaker 2: they look at pass rush and how they take different sets.

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Speaker 2: Like being able to grow and being able to learn

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Speaker 2: from them and coach coach Karm. It's it's been a great,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about the Vets and Karm.

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Speaker 1: Let's start that that's first, and what ways have they

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Speaker 1: kind of taken you under their wing and what things

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Speaker 1: have they shown you that have really benefited you.

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Speaker 2: I feel like we got a very tight knit group overall,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think we're all close together, and just

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Speaker 2: being able to learn from them, especially like in practices,

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Speaker 2: you know, they pull me to the side. I'll be like, hey,

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Speaker 2: feel like it's a it's a round tree. Everybody can

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Speaker 2: feel like that's what makes his group special.

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Speaker 1: How about karm In what ways has he helped prepare

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Speaker 1: you and help you become an NFL player?

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Speaker 2: Pretty much all these things that we've talked about, like

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Speaker 2: just you know, pushing it towards me, pushing me to

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Speaker 2: keep working on the field, helping me, you know, talking

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Speaker 2: through techniques after practice and whatnot, and just you know,

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Speaker 2: keeping instilling confidence.

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Speaker 1: In me throughout the season and keeping me jermaino Winter

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Speaker 1: talk to me about it. A bunch of other guys

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Speaker 1: have what a difference he's made in terms of getting

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Speaker 1: you guys to play as one. Right, and you've had

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Speaker 1: some moving pieces late near jam mess has been an

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Speaker 1: out Andrew was Jermaine missed the game? You would just

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Speaker 1: step into different spots. Why has it been trying to

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Speaker 1: turn five individuals into a unit with some of those

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Speaker 1: moving parts over the course of the year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like being able to fall back on

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Speaker 2: our group being so close and our group being a

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Speaker 2: tight knit, you know, group of men. That is what

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Speaker 2: makes it such a seamless transition when somebody goes down

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Speaker 2: or somebody has to step out. I feel like we

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Speaker 2: get reps together throughout the week. We do a good

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Speaker 2: job of mixing in whoever's out in practice, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. So and just knowing that the man

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Speaker 2: always a good feeling. So in that whole line room,

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's where we're at.

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Speaker 1: The other thing I was I forget who I talked

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Speaker 1: Viking Games. It might have been Jermaine, and he talked

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Speaker 1: No, I think that makes sense. How about this week

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely? I mean it's hard. It's hard to get wins,

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Speaker 1: And then finally, Jackson was asked this question this week

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do whatever I can, you know, to help

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Speaker 1: And then the final question, this is kind of just information.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Marcus, can't wait this. See what you're doing the

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Speaker 1: going to be next year and in the future moving forward,

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Speaker 1: next year. Here's Nick Harris from the Dallas fourth Worth

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Speaker 1: Star Telegram on the Dallas Cowboys. All right, now we

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys from the fourth Ward Star Telegram. Good buddy, Nick, Harris, Nick,

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Speaker 1: what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 1: How are you man.

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Speaker 4: Do a fantastic one more game? Less than this season?

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Speaker 3: John?

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Speaker 1: One more?

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Speaker 4: We just got to survive one more game.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Unfortunately, this game is not really relevant for either

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Speaker 1: Let's start here, Nick. Obviously, the Cowboys defense has just

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Speaker 1: What changes should we expect shortly after the year, if any,

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Speaker 4: complimented him quite a bit when the Vikings came to

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Speaker 4: town on Sunday night football and put the Cowboys very

439
00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,080
Speaker 4: faint playoff hopes to rest and did a really good

440
00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,560
Speaker 4: job doing so. But I would be surprised if Minnesota

441
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Speaker 4: let Brian Flores walk if it is not for a

442
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Speaker 4: head coaching opportunity. I think they will pony up at

443
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Speaker 4: the end of the day and make the make a

444
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Speaker 4: new contract for him and give him the money he's

445
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Speaker 4: searching out for. I think if we're looking at realistic

446
00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,479
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator candidates that have started to kind of bubble

447
00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,000
Speaker 4: off of the service just a bit, I'd be looking

448
00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,200
Speaker 4: at Jim Leonard, the DEFENSI passing game coordinator for the

449
00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,959
Speaker 4: Denver Broncos. That's certainly one to watch closely. And then

450
00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,480
Speaker 4: I think this team is going to be monitoring what's

451
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Speaker 4: happening in Cleveland really closely as well. If they move

452
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Speaker 4: on from Kevin Stefanski and just got that entire coaching

453
00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,680
Speaker 4: staff in Cleveland, I think they would love a guy

454
00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,760
Speaker 4: like Jim Schwartz, the defensive coordinator for the Browns.

455
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he certainly has a long track record of

456
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Speaker 1: being a very good defensive coordinator in the league. Mentioned

457
00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,520
Speaker 1: the draft, the Cowboys traded their second round pick that

458
00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,680
Speaker 1: was in the Quinn Williams trade. Their third round pick

459
00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,479
Speaker 1: went out in the George Pickens trade. But they do

460
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Speaker 1: have two first round picks. One was probably gonna be

461
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Speaker 1: around fifteen. The Packers pick could be in the low twenties.

462
00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,760
Speaker 1: It actually ended up probably going to be a better

463
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Speaker 1: when a lot of people thought it was going to be.

464
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Speaker 1: Could you see them trying to move one of those picks,

465
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Speaker 1: trading back and trying to pick up more selections later.

466
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Speaker 4: In the draft, Yeah, I think certainly. And that's been

467
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Speaker 4: kind of the mo for the Cowboys over the course

468
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Speaker 4: of the last couple of drafts, is if they have

469
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Speaker 4: a pick in the twenty two to thirty range that

470
00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,960
Speaker 4: they typically do like to move off of it and

471
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Speaker 4: pick up extra draft capital. I'm curious to see how

472
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Speaker 4: this one in a vacuum kind of differs from past instances.

473
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Speaker 4: You know, I think back to the Tyler Geiton pick

474
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Speaker 4: when they moved from twenty four to twenty nine to

475
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Speaker 4: pick up a third round pick, and then they used

476
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Speaker 4: that third round pick to draft Cooper Bebe. There's going

477
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Speaker 4: to be a lot of different conversations had, and that's

478
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,480
Speaker 4: kind of the luxury of having these two first round picks.

479
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Speaker 4: And one of the Jerry Jones spin narratives whenever they

480
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 4: did draft or whenever they did trade away mikeah Parsons,

481
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 4: he's like, hey, we got two first round picks, but

482
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Speaker 4: we're gonna turn this into like six or seven players,

483
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,159
Speaker 4: And so if he's gonna do so, he's gonna have

484
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,080
Speaker 4: to pick up some maybe some extra draft capital to

485
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Speaker 4: make that work.

486
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Speaker 1: Otherwise, you imagine defense is going to be a priority

487
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Speaker 1: with most of these picks this year.

488
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would be super surprised if there is not.

489
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Speaker 4: If it's not an entire defensive draft, I will throw

490
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Speaker 4: one caveat I think they move on from right tackle

491
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,200
Speaker 4: Terrence Steele in the offseason, and if they do, then

492
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 4: there are some really good right tackle options in this

493
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Speaker 4: first round. Francis Malagoa out of Miami. You think about

494
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 4: the tackle duo at Utah that I think both of

495
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 4: those guys are pretty interchangeable. But if yeah, if you're

496
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Speaker 4: looking at it, I think unless it's right tackle, it's

497
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Speaker 4: gonna be a defensive draft, no doubt for the Cowboys.

498
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Speaker 1: Well, I was about to go to the offensive line

499
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Speaker 1: and you took me there. Tyler Smith's at a left tackle.

500
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Speaker 1: Do you think that's a permanent move? You know, I

501
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,440
Speaker 1: don't know what they think of Tyler Goeyten. You mentioned

502
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Speaker 1: they move on from Steele. Guiden was a right tackle

503
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Speaker 1: in college. Is that his spot? How do you see

504
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 1: this offense of line moving forward? Which I think is

505
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 1: not a great pass protecting line. I think they're a

506
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 1: really good run blocking line, but they're very young and

507
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 1: they're very talented. So give me the rundown on this

508
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 1: Cowboys line and kind of where they're heading.

509
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you completely hit it on the head.

510
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 4: I'll just kind of go with the starting five that

511
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 4: they walked into the season. With Tyler Goydon. They like

512
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,919
Speaker 4: Tyler Guidon, they do, but this he just can't stay healthy,

513
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 4: and that's that's been something that has really gotten in

514
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,959
Speaker 4: the way of his development. Has missed time throughout his

515
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 4: first two seasons, knee injuries, ankle injuries, dealt with a

516
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 4: shoulder at one point, had a neck issue last year,

517
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 4: so that's really got in the way of his progression.

518
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Speaker 4: They like him at left tackle, but I bet they

519
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Speaker 4: do experiment with him at right tackle in the offseason.

520
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Speaker 4: I'd be surprised if they don't. Tyler Smith, I am

521
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Speaker 4: curious to see if this is an experiment or if

522
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Speaker 4: it's a long term type deal. Tyler Smith does not

523
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Speaker 4: want it to be a permanent solution. He said, I'm

524
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Speaker 4: an all pro guard. I like it at guard, and

525
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 4: he thinks he works better in those phone booth type

526
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 4: of environments rather than out on an eye at left

527
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 4: tackle and rightfully. So, I mean they have kind of

528
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 4: pinned the Larry Allen moniker on him, maybe a little

529
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 4: too much, because you know, Larry Allen had the left tackle,

530
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Speaker 4: left guard, even right tackle right guard flexibility during his career.

531
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 4: They're two completely different players, and not to say that

532
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 4: you know, Tyler Smith isn't anything special, but very fewer

533
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Speaker 4: Larry Allen, right, And so if you're asking me, keep

534
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Speaker 4: Tyler Smith at left guard for the foreseeable future. But

535
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Speaker 4: it would not surprise me if this team looked at

536
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Speaker 4: Tyler Smith and said, hey, you're a left tackle now.

537
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Speaker 4: But I'd be curious to see how that conversation goes over,

538
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 4: not only with him but with his agent, center Cooper Bebe.

539
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 4: They've loved him. I think he's going to be the

540
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 4: center for this team for quite a while. Right Guard

541
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Speaker 4: Tyler Booker the same exact situation, their first round pick

542
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Speaker 4: from last year. They have especially loved him in the

543
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Speaker 4: run game. I think they're going to try to work

544
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 4: on his pass protection just a little bit more, but

545
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 4: they feel like he's going to be a consistent Pro Bowl,

546
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 4: All Pro type right guard for them moving forward. And

547
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Speaker 4: then I talked about right tackle Terrence Steele. It's probably

548
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Speaker 4: candidate number one I'm looking at now that Trayvon Diggs

549
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 4: has gone as far as a cap casualty going into

550
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 4: the offseason, they have it out with his contract whether

551
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 4: to designate him as a post June one in March,

552
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 4: or if they decide to move on from him beforehand.

553
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 4: I think this is the off season where Terrence Steele

554
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 4: probably does move on. If you're asking me, though, I

555
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 4: would keep him another year. I have actually liked what

556
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 4: he's done in the run game, gritted. His fast protection

557
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 4: has been really bad. Then you're trying to protect a

558
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 4: thirty two year old Dak Prescott going into twenty twenty six.

559
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 4: But I would maybe draft a guy and get another

560
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 4: veteran to provide competition with Steel. But his run game

561
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 4: stuff has actually been pretty solid, and it's been above

562
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 4: average across the league as well. But I do think

563
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 4: the team probably goes ahead and looks at that contract

564
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Speaker 4: and gets out of it in twenty twenty six.

565
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Speaker 1: All Right, the Cowlochs have been clear they want George

566
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Speaker 1: Pickens back. He's been clear he wants to be back.

567
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: But there are different versions of this, Right, Is this

568
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,239
Speaker 1: going to be like an easy he's back and they

569
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: signed to a long term extension? Is this going to

570
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: be one of these classic All right, like ten minutes

571
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: before the franchise deadline? What are we doing here? Are

572
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: they gonna tag him? Is? What is this going to

573
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Speaker 1: look like? You think when it comes to Pickens this offseason.

574
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's just take a dart at all the possibilities

575
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 4: and see where it lands. Right, And you know this

576
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 4: is this is gonna be another classic Terry Jones negotiation,

577
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 4: I think, and especially with an involving David Mulligeta, It's

578
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 4: gonna be fascinating to see how that, you know, transpires

579
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 4: with him because the same agent that he had to

580
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 4: deal with or not deal with with Micah Parson's last offseason.

581
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 4: It's gonna be weird. And George Pickens has said all

582
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 4: of the right things, you know, leading up into this

583
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 4: this negotiation, and we've tried to catch him over some

584
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 4: trick wire a couple of times, being like, Okay, do

585
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 4: you have some hesitance you know, looking back on the

586
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 4: Micah Parsons situation last year and seeing how that played out,

587
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 4: and you have some hesitants going into this ordeal. He's like, Man,

588
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 4: I'm gonna leave it into the hands of my agent.

589
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 4: You know, I'm consent with doing that. And then Jerry

590
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 4: Jones this week is like, yeah, I plan on talking

591
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 4: to George and the agent like, oh boy, here we go.

592
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 4: So I I uh, I will say this is a

593
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 4: slightly different situation from Micah's at this point last year,

594
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 4: in the sense that you know, George is going to

595
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 4: leave it completely in David's hands, where like Mike at

596
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 4: some point last year felt like he needed to be

597
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 4: a big part of the conversation too, And I think

598
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 4: that's where the waters really got muddied between Jerry and

599
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 4: Micah and then involving the agent. I think George is

600
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Speaker 4: going to completely just leave it in the hands of

601
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Speaker 4: the agent and hope that it works out that way.

602
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 4: But if you're asking me if I have you know,

603
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 4: the Genie's bottle to kind of, you know, foresee what

604
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 4: it's what it's going to look like. I think they

605
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 4: franchised tack him whenever that's first available, and then they

606
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 4: try to work out a deal up until camp, and

607
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 4: it's going to be close whether he ends up at

608
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 4: camp or not. But I do think George Pickens ends

609
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 4: up on this team long term. He gets that long

610
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 4: term contract before the season starts.

611
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Speaker 1: How has the off the field stuff been with him?

612
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Speaker 1: Has he been a little bit more mature and cleaned

613
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Speaker 1: some of that stuff up.

614
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Speaker 4: He hasn't been perfect, He's he has he has been

615
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 4: late for meetings and he missed the team bus and

616
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 4: missed curfew in Las Vegas, and obviously that drew a

617
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 4: lot of attention. But uh, they've they've really embraced George Pickens.

618
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 4: You know, he wears the ski mask at practice and

619
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Speaker 4: everybody else has started wearing the ski mask too, even

620
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 4: defensive line coach Aaron Whitecotton, Who's you know, the most

621
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 4: straightforward type of guy. He comes out in a blue

622
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 4: ski mask a couple of weeks ago at practice. They

623
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 4: really embrace George Pickens. And I think, you know, Brian

624
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 4: Schottenheimer is the perfect type of head coach to deal

625
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 4: with the guy like George Pickens. I say that in

626
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 4: the sense of like he understands the bs that's going

627
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 4: to kind of come along off the field, but he

628
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 4: knows the product he's going to get on the field.

629
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Speaker 4: And I will say this about George Pickens, and whenever

630
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 4: he was traded to Dallas, this was kind of a

631
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 4: question I had, and it's completely been answered. It was

632
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 4: almost answered immediately. This guy takes the sport very seriously.

633
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 4: He takes the game very seriously, and you know, I

634
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 4: think that's probably different than from what the Pittsburgh narrative

635
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,719
Speaker 4: was being like this guy doesn't care. He just wants to,

636
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 4: you know, make money and get the ball. I don't

637
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 4: think that's necessarily true, because we've seen games where he

638
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 4: doesn't get the ball and ceedee Lamb has a big

639
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 4: game and he is just as happy as he is

640
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 4: after games when he does explode, So that that part

641
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 4: didn't necessarily surprise me. But it was just something different

642
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 4: than what we were expecting coming in. But I think

643
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 4: if you asked anybody in the Cowboys building, yes there

644
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 4: has been some issues, you know, off the field, trying

645
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 4: to get you know, him on time to things, this,

646
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 4: that and the third. But overall, I think they would

647
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 4: do it again ten times out of ten.

648
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Speaker 1: Javonte Williams. I think he comes back.

649
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 4: I do, and I think it could be a two

650
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 4: or three year contract for him. That they have really

651
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 4: loved Javonte Williams, not only on the field he's had

652
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 4: over twelve hundred yards and nearly ten rushing touchdowns, but

653
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Speaker 4: off the field as well. He has been a huge

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Speaker 4: veteran presence for this team. I would caution a three

655
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Speaker 4: year deal just because the help is still something you

656
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Speaker 4: have to factor in. He is only twenty five, which

657
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Speaker 4: I mean, in the grand scheme of things, is still young,

658
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Speaker 4: but in running back years, he may as well be

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Speaker 4: thirty five. I am curious to see what that conversation

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Speaker 4: is like. But yeah, they'll add another running back around

661
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Speaker 4: that room going into the or going into twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 4: But I think Javonte Williams is going to be the starter.

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Speaker 4: You can pencil him and as a starter going into

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Speaker 4: next year.

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Speaker 3: No doubt.

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Speaker 1: Now, maybe not going out and getting outside free agents.

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Speaker 1: But how aggressive do you think the Cowboys going to

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Speaker 1: be with their cap situation here? Jerry Jones has caught

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Speaker 1: a lot of flack with that over the years. You

670
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Speaker 1: know that they can restructure CD, they can have the

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Speaker 1: restructure Dak in some way, shape or form. Are they

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Speaker 1: going to be willing to push more money down the

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Speaker 1: road and throw out more of you know, cash this

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Speaker 1: offseason to try to really maximize the window with Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned he's thirty two, right, He's probably go what

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Speaker 1: three maybe four years of elite play? Are they going

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Speaker 1: to do everything they kind financially to try to maximize

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Speaker 1: this window given he's playing at a near MVP level.

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Speaker 4: You know, I wouldn't say necessarily maximize. You know, Dallas

680
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Speaker 4: is always kind of in the middle of we were

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Speaker 4: dormant and we're going to be the most active team

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Speaker 4: of free agency. They're always kind of somewhere in the middle,

683
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Speaker 4: maybe closer to dormant than most. But I the Trayvon

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Speaker 4: digs release, the timing of it kind of leads me

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Speaker 4: to believe that they plan on doing some things this offseason.

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Speaker 4: And what do I mean by that. We had kind

687
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Speaker 4: of penciled in Trayvon Diggs as a post June one release,

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Speaker 4: and whenever he was released before the season, that kind

689
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Speaker 4: of nick that possibility. It's like, okay, so why would

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Speaker 4: they do that? You know, and talking to some people,

691
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Speaker 4: they just wanted to figure out what their books are

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Speaker 4: going to look like. I think a DAK in a

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Speaker 4: CD restructure probably happens pretty quick in the offseason. They

694
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Speaker 4: want to figure out how much money they do have

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Speaker 4: to spend to go out in free agency, get another

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Speaker 4: get a different veteran linebacker for the fourth year in

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Speaker 4: a row, Go get a veteran corner, maybe go get

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Speaker 4: a veteran offensive lineman that could really help, you know,

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Speaker 4: as far as be a sixth man for that group,

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Speaker 4: or as a veteran competition guy. Moving forward, I think

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Speaker 4: they're gonna be somewhere in the middle. But you know,

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Speaker 4: some of the moves that they have made over the

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Speaker 4: course of the last few weeks lead me to believe that,

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Speaker 4: you know, they will go out and swing for some guys.

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Speaker 1: Final question here, Nick, see late from the outside end,

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Speaker 1: everyone's pretty happy with the job Brian Schoenheimer has done,

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Speaker 1: you know, dealing with everything they've dealt with this year.

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Speaker 1: The offense has really leaned into some more modern concepts.

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Speaker 1: Obviously the off the field tragedy the Cowboys dealt with

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Speaker 1: this year. It seems like everyone's pretty happy with that decision, which,

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Speaker 1: as you well know, was widely panned from a national

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Speaker 1: standpoint last year when the Cowboys made that move.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, and you ask anybody in the building, they

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Speaker 4: feel like Brian Schttenheimer is the guy for that job.

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Speaker 4: That's another situation. Hasn't been perfect, maybe not necessarily, you know,

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Speaker 4: especially offensively in the second half. There's a big micro

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Speaker 4: scope under that. I haven't scored a second half touchdown

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Speaker 4: since the Detroit game in early December, and so that's

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Speaker 4: something that you know that you look at with the

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Speaker 4: offensive staff and be like, Okay, you know, first year

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Speaker 4: head coach, first time being back in the headset and

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Speaker 4: calling plays since twenty twenty one. You know, is there

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Speaker 4: maybe some you know, issues that are associated with that.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's definitely going to have to be some

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Speaker 4: things that they look at in the offseason offensively, But

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Speaker 4: if you look at the numbers and you look at

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Speaker 4: the production man four thousand yard passer, two one thousand

728
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Speaker 4: yard receivers and it's one thousand yard rusher, you don't

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Speaker 4: get that very often now. Typically you make a playoffs

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Speaker 4: when you have those type of guys. But they have

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Speaker 4: liked what Brian Schottenheimer has brought brought from not only

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Speaker 4: a play calling perspective, but the culture building aspect. Ray

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Speaker 4: reviews and if you're asking me, you know Brian Schottenheimer

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Speaker 4: was was do you remember when you were studying for

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Speaker 4: your PhD for your electrical engineering exam, John, and you

736
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Speaker 4: had that hard physics test that you know, yous was like, man,

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Speaker 4: if I could just pass this and get through it,

738
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Speaker 4: I'll be all right. And then you got the test

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Speaker 4: back and it was an eighty four and you're like,

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Speaker 4: holy cow, like hey man, this is awesome that's Brian Schottenheimer.

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Speaker 4: Like it's probably a b at the end of the day,

742
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Speaker 4: but he was dealt a pretty crappy hand and he

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Speaker 4: did pretty well with it.

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Speaker 1: I think you're over ranking the classes that I took

745
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Speaker 1: in my college days, just for the record, final question,

746
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Speaker 1: and I only asked this again because I think this

747
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Speaker 1: is probably going to be the most important assistant coach

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Speaker 1: higher around the league in the offseason. Did think the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys can turn this around pretty quickly if they hire

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Speaker 1: the right defensive coin or get some new bodies in

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Speaker 1: on that side. And as it had been into that,

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Speaker 1: is this a Schottenheim or higher or is this a

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones higher?

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Speaker 4: The first part of that, I do think they have

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Speaker 4: the team to be able to do that, and they

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Speaker 4: have the key They have the core defensive guys to

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Speaker 4: do that too. You know, you look at Quinn Williams,

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Speaker 4: Kenny bark Oh so I think he's you a Demarvin Overshown,

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Speaker 4: Doron Bland if he's healthy. You know, those are really

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Speaker 4: key pieces that you can build around and put a

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Speaker 4: defense around. Absolutely right. Yeah, And I'm glad you mentioned

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Speaker 4: Donovan Azarrok, who's been fantastic from a pressure perspective, maybe

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Speaker 4: not necessarily getting home, but his pressure rate has been

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Speaker 4: really consistent. Uh, they have some good pieces, they just

765
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Speaker 4: need the right scheme that plays into their strengths. Eva

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Speaker 4: Flus has been a little stubborn when it comes to

767
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Speaker 4: playing to their strengths, and I think if they can

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Speaker 4: get the right guy in there, certainly this can flip around.

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Speaker 4: Because if you look at this Cowboys team, if they

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Speaker 4: just had an average defense this year, they would still

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Speaker 4: be playing going into next week. But that that wasn't

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Speaker 4: the case and they're not. And as far as this

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Speaker 4: is going to be a Schottenheim or higher Jones higher,

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Speaker 4: I haven't gotten a good gauge on that. But if

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Speaker 4: you're looking at the track record over the course of

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Speaker 4: this last season, Schottenheimer hired his offensive staff, the front

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Speaker 4: off is higher that defensive staff, and there's a big

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Speaker 4: difference between the production between those two sides this past season.

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Speaker 4: I'd be curious to see what a Schottenheimer hire actually

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Speaker 4: looks like. He actually did have experience coaching with Jim

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Speaker 4: Leonard a few years back, so that would be an

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Speaker 4: interesting guy again that I would throw out there. He's

783
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Speaker 4: been an assistant in the League for twenty five years. Though,

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Speaker 4: there's going to be a lot of different names that

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Speaker 4: I think they look into. I think it would be

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Speaker 4: a very vast and wide search.

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Speaker 1: Nick, tell the folks that you can find your stuff.

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Speaker 4: Four Star Telegram. I'm gonna give us a read, and

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Speaker 4: then we're going to be rocking and rolling with offseason constant,

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Speaker 4: super Bowl, Pro Bowl, all that stuff, Senior Bowl. We'll

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Speaker 4: see John down there in Combine. That's going to be

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Speaker 4: good stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'll see it's trying as well. I'm sure you'll be

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Speaker 1: at a star cover on that too. And we'll see

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. Nick. Always a pleasure my friends, State travels.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: John.

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Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

799
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Speaker 1: of crunch time football, I'm your Matt. But if you're

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Speaker 7: I'd like to learn about a Molly routine.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your

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Speaker 1: Now let's turn to the head coach of the Giants,

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Speaker 1: Mike Kafka. He is with the voice of the Giants,

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Speaker 1: Bob Papa.

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Speaker 5: As always, we're joined by the head coach of the

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Speaker 5: New York Giants, Mike Kafkan. Coach, I want to rewind

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Speaker 5: it back to last week and uh, walking off the

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Speaker 5: field with that first win and the game ball and

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Speaker 5: the flight home. What was it like for you personally

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Speaker 5: and for your team as a group.

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Speaker 3: It was a great It was a great team win.

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Speaker 6: To watch everyone just you know, be so excited after

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Speaker 6: the game and celebrating one another, celebrating each other and

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Speaker 6: the hard work they put in that week.

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Speaker 3: It was a great feeling.

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Speaker 6: And you know that the that's the beauty of the

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Speaker 6: National Football League is you can you can celebrate those things,

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Speaker 6: but then there's another challenge waiting for you, right, uh,

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Speaker 6: right soon after that, right, and so now we're now

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Speaker 6: we're here in Dallas week and getting ready for.

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Speaker 5: That is it is it is It bittersweet in a

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Speaker 5: lot of ways, in the sense that you got this

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Speaker 5: one more challenge, one one more test, the seventeenth test

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Speaker 5: of the season.

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Speaker 7: Knowing that there's not another test next week.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's it's that's that's certainly challenging. You know,

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Speaker 6: it's one of those things where you put so much

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Speaker 6: time in with the coaches, so much time with the players,

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Speaker 6: and you've built, you know, a little bit of a

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Speaker 6: mini family here with the organization and with this team,

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Speaker 6: and this team is never going to be the same again,

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Speaker 6: whether it's coaches, players, it changes every single year. So

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Speaker 6: I think our biggest mindset right now is just you know,

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Speaker 6: playing for each other, playing for one another, enjoying, enjoying

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Speaker 6: this last opportunity that we do have together.

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Speaker 5: Though coach obviously, Jackson Dart became the starting quarterback for

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Speaker 5: this football team.

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Speaker 7: He's got three wins now under his belt.

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Speaker 5: He's done some things that we haven't seen a lot

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Speaker 5: of quarterbacks do as far as leading the league right now,

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Speaker 5: as far as rookie touchdowns are concerned, the rushing touchdowns

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Speaker 5: and all of the like highs during the course of

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Speaker 5: the season, can you explain to the fans the growth

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Speaker 5: that you've seen in him from when you first got

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Speaker 5: him to where he is right now as far as

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Speaker 5: the pro game is concerned.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think every yes, absolutely, I think every

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Speaker 6: Every quarterback is different. Every young player develops and grows

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Speaker 6: at a different pace, and I think Jackson has, you know,

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Speaker 6: I think he's exceeded expectations in terms of where we

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Speaker 6: thought he was gonna be at in training camp and

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Speaker 6: OTAs and working through just learning how to be a pro,

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Speaker 6: learning his routines, learning how he's gonna prep for the games,

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Speaker 6: and then you just saw him each and every week,

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Speaker 6: each and.

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Speaker 3: Every day just get a little bit better, continue to

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Speaker 3: work on the little fundamental things.

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Speaker 6: But he's certainly put in a lot of work, and

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Speaker 6: I think that's gonna that goes unnoticed because of just

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Speaker 6: the amount of hours you put in on a on

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Speaker 6: a daily basis, and that adds up over time, you know.

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Speaker 6: So I think he's taken the right approach and he's

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Speaker 6: he's certainly confident in his abilities, and he's continuing to

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00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 6: get better as a player each and every week. He's

870
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 6: all these different learning experiences, whether it's sit you situations

871
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 6: in the game, whether it's different types of pressures and

872
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 6: looks and coverages that he's seen, whether it's just managing

873
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,479
Speaker 6: the operation in the huddle on the sideline. You see

874
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 6: the growth weekend and weak and again everyone's at a

875
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 6: different pace. But I think the more of these, more

876
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 6: of these opportunities and one of these looks that he gets,

877
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 6: he continues to absorb him and grow.

878
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Speaker 3: Uh.

879
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Speaker 5: Marcus bow has been used in the starting lineup. He

880
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 5: was an exciting player to watch during training camp and

881
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 5: in the preseason, and you know, I think a lot

882
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 5: of fans were excited. How cool is it to see

883
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 5: him get these tests late in the season and come

884
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 5: through in pretty nice colors.

885
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he's he's certainly stepped up for us when

886
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 6: we needed him when at went down. He is one

887
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 6: of those another one of those young players who again

888
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 6: who just continued to get better, worked and worked when

889
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 6: he wasn't you know, when he wasn't out there on

890
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 6: the field, he was just working off on the side.

891
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 6: He was getting better at his craft, working this fundamental,

892
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 6: spending more time with the coaching staff and making sure

893
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 6: when his opportunity did pop up that he was ready

894
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Speaker 6: for it. And for him to get a few starts

895
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Speaker 6: under his belt. For a young player in that role,

896
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 6: in that position and going against you know, premiere pass

897
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 6: rushers like that's unbelievable experience for him.

898
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 5: Darius Alexander another rookie. I'm on this, I'm on this

899
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 5: vibe here. But you know, I think sometimes people forget

900
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Speaker 5: he didn't come from like a major program, and it

901
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 5: took him time, but we're starting to see week in

902
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 5: and week out him have an impact on games.

903
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 7: What kind of growth have you seen in him?

904
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think he's I'd put him in

905
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 6: that same bucket of the young players who have just

906
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 6: continued to continue to grow and get better.

907
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: He's putting in time early in the morning. You're seeing

908
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: you're seeing the.

909
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 6: Fruits of that labor where these where these young players,

910
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 6: they start to figure out their routine, they start to

911
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 6: figure out you know, they kind of come in when

912
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 6: with a little bit of swagger and I got, you know,

913
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 6: what's the you know, a college game. They have so

914
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 6: much success, they've been through all this whole draft process

915
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 6: and and everything, and then they get into a building

916
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Speaker 6: and there's you know, ninety other players that are all

917
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 6: pro players, that are all really talented, really good, and

918
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 6: I think it just takes time for them to kind

919
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 6: of fit in and figure out their role and figure

920
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 6: out their routine because they were the big man on

921
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 6: campus just a few weeks ago. Now, you know, they're

922
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,479
Speaker 6: the younger player with you know, especially in his room,

923
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 6: you know, all pros and players that have played a

924
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 6: lot of ball, so a lot of experience that he

925
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 6: can lean on.

926
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Speaker 3: I think over time he's absorbed that.

927
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Speaker 6: Over time, he's he's kind of worked through that and

928
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 6: seen how these guys are operating and how he can

929
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 6: attack and how he can you know, apply some of

930
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 6: those things to his own game.

931
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Speaker 7: I want to ask you about Charlie Balling.

932
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Speaker 5: You had to make a difficult decision and make a

933
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Speaker 5: change at the defensive coordinator position, and we've seen some

934
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 5: really cool things out of what Charlie's been able to do.

935
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Speaker 5: Considering the fact that on a collegiate level, in the

936
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 5: pro level, he had never called a defense before as

937
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 5: far as being a coordinator, and you had experience calling

938
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 5: plays and being a coordinator in the league. Can you

939
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 5: just talk a little bit about, uh, the difficulty and

940
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 5: the circumstances which he stepped in and how well he's

941
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Speaker 5: performed in this role.

942
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm really I'm really proud of Charlie all you know,

943
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 6: all the things that I saw from him just from

944
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 6: afar as being on my side of the football and

945
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 6: having football conversations with him in the hallways and and

946
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Speaker 6: you know, getting get you know, getting to know him

947
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 6: since since he got in our program in our organization.

948
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Speaker 6: I was always very impressed with him and his football knowledge.

949
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Speaker 6: So you know, when when it came down to that decision,

950
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Speaker 6: you know, I really had I really thought it was

951
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Speaker 6: a no brainer for me. And I'm really appreciative Charlie

952
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 6: for all, you know, the work he's put in. He's

953
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 6: learned and grown every single day. And I know he's

954
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 6: not a play caller, but it wasn't a play caller

955
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Speaker 6: prior to this, but his football knowledge and football field

956
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 6: I thought I was always been excellent. And so now

957
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 6: he had an opportunity, and I think that's all it

958
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 6: really was. It is just an opportunity to go out

959
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 6: there and be his best self. And he's been preparing

960
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 6: his butt off, and he's been done a great job

961
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Speaker 6: with the players in terms of motivating them and getting

962
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 6: them in the right spot and listening and you know,

963
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 6: being being able to be adaptable to the flow of

964
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 6: the game but also to the adjustments that the players

965
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 6: and coaches are seeing out there. He's been very responsive

966
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 6: to that and it has done a hell of a job.

967
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 5: So let's talk about that side of the ball to

968
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 5: us today. You got to take on a Dallas team

969
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 5: that is very proficient when it comes to throwing the football,

970
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 5: and Dak Prescott has had a lot of success.

971
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 7: In his career against the Giants.

972
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 5: What are some of the key elements that you put

973
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 5: on the board this week on how do we what

974
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 5: we need to do in order to at least contain

975
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 5: this group. I won't say stop, but at least contain

976
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 5: and control.

977
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, what an unbelievable challenge for us, and what a

978
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 6: great challenge for us. And I think everything that we

979
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 6: talk about in stress starts up front. You know, with

980
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 6: our defensive line, you know, being able to get in

981
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 6: there and control the line of scrimmage and you know,

982
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 6: affect the quarterback and you know, maybe not just in

983
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 6: pressures per se by blitzing, but pressures and getting them

984
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 6: off his mark. I think it's you know, pretty time

985
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 6: tested if you just let that back there and just

986
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 6: let him have a clean pocket and throw on time, like,

987
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 6: he's going to be productive and he's going to move

988
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 6: the ball, So you got to find ways to get

989
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 6: him off his mark. You got to find ways to

990
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 6: move him. Then if you can keep him behind the

991
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 6: chains in terms of second and longs and third and longs, now,

992
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 6: that's going to give you the best opportunity now to

993
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 6: get home and.

994
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 5: Coach on the other side of the ball. Everybody knows then,

995
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 5: everybody knows what the numbers are. Dallas has struggled on

996
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 5: the back end. But when you're going against a team

997
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 5: like that, is it something where you have to constantly

998
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 5: remind yourself as you're calling the game, stay balanced, Stay balanced,

999
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 5: because you have to be able to establish that line

1000
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 5: of scrimmage and stay in advantageous down in distance.

1001
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's always an emphasis of ours on offense.

1002
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 6: And you know, I think that's just that's helping the

1003
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 6: quarterback out, that's helping the old line out.

1004
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: Whenever you get in these second.

1005
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 6: And longs, third and longs, like known pass situations, it's

1006
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 6: just hard in the National Football League to be success

1007
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 6: to do that successfully down in and down out.

1008
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 3: So you've got to be able to skip third downs.

1009
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 6: You gotta be able to stay ahead of the chain

1010
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 6: and keep our offense in a mode where the defense

1011
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 6: doesn't necessarily have a beat on when we can run

1012
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 6: we can pass when we can nake it, we can screen.

1013
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 6: You know, we can use these type of things in

1014
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 6: our offense to give us an advantage. But if you're

1015
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 6: behind the chains and you have no shout of doing

1016
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 6: that on.

1017
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 5: A consistent basis, coach, Just in wrapping up here personally

1018
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 5: for you, obviously you've interviewed for head coaching jobs in

1019
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 5: the past, You've gotten far in the process. This is

1020
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 5: not the way, you know, you wanted to get your

1021
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 5: first experience right, having to replace somebody. But what are

1022
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 5: you taking from this experience as you've gotten a chance

1023
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 5: to have to make all these decisions, including ones that

1024
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 5: you probably didn't figure that really came across your plate

1025
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 5: until you got the job.

1026
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is an unbelievable experience, one that I'm super

1027
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 6: thankful for. And you know, I've learned so much, just

1028
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 6: not only about myself, what about the players and coaches.

1029
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: And the organization.

1030
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 6: And you know, it's certainly you know a situation that yeah,

1031
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 6: of course you know it's but I think what we

1032
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 6: needed for this team and what you know, what was

1033
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 6: asked upon me was to lead this group, and lead

1034
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 6: this coaching staff and lead this org. And I did

1035
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 6: it to the best of my ability, and we'll continue

1036
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 6: to do so. I think there's a there's there's a

1037
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 6: there's stuff. Definitely some things we all need to get

1038
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 6: worked on and cleaned up. But you know, the people

1039
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 6: we have here are great people. I know we'll get

1040
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 6: it turned around.

1041
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 5: Coach, we appreciate the time each and every week on

1042
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 5: behalf of all the fans that listen every week, we

1043
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 5: want to thank you for sharing your time with us

1044
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 5: and giving us insights each and every week, and we

1045
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 5: wish your best of luck this afternoon against the Cowboys.

1046
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: Great. Thank you, guys.

1047
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Speaker 1: Appreciate you a really good final episode. I love doing

1048
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: this all year, guys, these Friday shows. I know they're

1049
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: audio only, or at least the coach and preview part

1050
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: or audio only for those of you that check it out.

1051
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you doing that. I try to give you

1052
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: not just the preview of the game, but I think

1053
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: with the player interview, done a good job of digging

1054
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: into something a little interesting every week in terms of

1055
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: the player's development, what they're thinking, how they're playing, what's

1056
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: going on on the field, to give you a little

1057
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: bit of insight that maybe you wouldn't get elsewhere if

1058
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: you're a big fan of the New York Football Giants,

1059
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: so we thank you for joining us all year. We

1060
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: thank Mike Kafka for joining us all year before that,

1061
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: Brian Dable. We thank all the Beat reporters, and we

1062
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: thank all the Giant players that give us, you know,

1063
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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of their time on Wednesday, Thursday and or

1064
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Speaker 1: Friday to join us and talk some ball with us

1065
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: and just kind of get into it. And they're always

1066
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,600
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1067
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1068
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Speaker 1: chat with us every week right here on the Johns

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Speaker 1: Little Podcast, brought to you by citizens Official Bank of

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Speaker 1: editor every week, Pierson Butler, does a great job of

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1073
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Speaker 1: New Year, Welcome to twenty twenty six. Enjoy the final

1074
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Speaker 1: week of Giants football for almost nine months. We'll talk

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