WEBVTT - Vindication for Britney 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:17.079 Hello everyone, and welcome back to Real Time Crime. I'm 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.120 one of your hosts, Leo Lamar, and I have with 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:23.759 me our co hosts, Teddy Mellencamp. Hi, guys hi, And 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:26.520 of course we've got our producer who may or may 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:30.520 not be chiming in if we give him permission. Dmitri. Hello, Dmitri. 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:39.479 Is now one of those times, Oh no, you go, Dmitri, 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.880 al though, I just didn't give you permission, but please 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.040 wow he learned. Okay, good, all right, why are we 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:51.800 going to today? We're gonna be discussing Britney Spears, Travis Scott, 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.680 Kyle Rittenhouse, and we've got a couple of call in 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:59.200 cases which we'll get to a little later. And first 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.840 i'd like to say welcome back to me. I just 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:06.720 got back from New York. Oh dear lord, how do 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:08.959 I think the real crime is that anyone lives there 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:13.120 and survives. I think the real crime is because you're 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.240 just returning from there, that we're doing a podcast when 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:18.960 it's dark out and normally I'm about to be in 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:23.280 my second rem cycle. You know, I know this is 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:25.759 kind of a weird thing to say, but I didn't 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:27.800 notice that you had a Widow's peak until you put 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:32.920 your hair up. You know what, it's not that common. 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:38.080 It's not Fran Drescher. There's just a couple of us. 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:41.039 One time somebody asked if I would get it if 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:42.840 I wanted to get it waxed off when they were 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.040 doing my eyebrows, and I was like, you know what, 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.280 I'm going to take offense to that, but I don't 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:51.120 imagine it growing in would look that great, So I'm 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.880 just gonna let it ride. Thank god. Cute. Yeah, you, 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.400 Fran Drescher and Dracula are the only three people like 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.920 that happened. It doesn't like any monster have one too. 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.280 I mean, it's all good company, it's all. I mean, 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:09.440 it's more than Dmitri hilarious. Well you could maybe you 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.880 had one. We don't know. This is a cold case 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:16.560 right here. All right, guys, we have to focus because 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:22.120 I am so deep down the obsession. When it comes 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:28.440 to the correlation between Travis Scott and Britney Spears, do 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:33.760 you guys happen to know what that is? Um? Both 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:38.519 of them have received flowers from Christian Jenner. No, they 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:42.760 both have been made that up? They out right? That 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:46.080 did sound right? No, both of them have ties to 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:53.440 Lou Taylor Detective Teddy. I am you know, I've I've 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:58.399 gone so deep in regards to falling. There's someone named 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.120 house Inhabit on Instagram. You guys should follow us. I 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.280 am obsessed with her account, so now you can't even 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:06.839 I can't even search her and find her. I can 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.400 only find her through our old d M s and 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:14.399 then I can click through it. So something's going on here, 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.000 and I've noticed that a lot of people haven't really 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:21.079 been talking about it. I feel like TikTok has been 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:26.920 popping off about Travis Scott, but not necessarily Instagram. Is 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.880 that does that feel true? That does feel true? And 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.200 the couple of people that have talked about it on 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.600 Instagram have been shadow band. But I know we've got 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.080 to wait. We're gonna have somebody that actually attended the 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:43.080 Travis Scott concert or he's going to be on with us, 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.280 so we should probably talk a little bit more about 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:48.680 the updates on Brittany. My favorite thing was that you 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:50.800 were like, you, guys, we have to focus, and then 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.040 you immediately were like, let's talk about two cases at 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:58.720 the same time. But Brittany seems to be very thrilled 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.880 that the can servitorship is over. She's very excited for 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:06.840 her lawyer that he stepped in and did this. I 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:13.720 also just I'm worried too. Well, before you voice your concerns, 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.640 which are already valid, I would like to say that 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:21.159 I was so saddened by the headline that said she 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:26.960 enjoyed her first glass of champagne. I know every single movement, 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:31.160 every moment in her life has been watched and monitored. 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.640 She's basically been living in a fish bowl. She has 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:39.440 been elaborate and as someone who was, you know, essentially 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:43.000 robbed of a regular childhood like a lot of child 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:46.120 actors and child stars are, she was then robbed of 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:52.520 an adulthood and she was infantilized. And I think the 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:56.560 hashtag free Brittany movement really took off from social media. 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.840 That is an example of a case where hashtag went 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:05.640 viral and brought the awareness of what was going on 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.800 to the greater good. Because the greater good well, honestly, yeah, 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:13.280 because fans really helped make this happen. And it's so 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:17.920 interesting to watch because I remember hearing that Brittany was 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.920 really quietly trying to handle it herself. She was not 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.920 trying to cause a commotion, and it was really the 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:29.400 general public that stirred up this whole tragedy that was 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:33.760 happening in her life. Jamie Spears was getting sixteen thousand 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:38.040 dollars a month. What about it? I mean, I think 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.920 we can all agree is enough to you know, live 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:46.960 very comfortably. Yeah, but I'm also going to buy a 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.599 Ben's on it in the first paycheck. But but also 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.160 what kind of blew me aways? You know, we had 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.640 all been talking about Jamie Spears, that had been like 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.159 the main focus. But then when Brittany did her post 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:00.880 where she said like it was actually all my mom. 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:02.600 My mom was the one that came up with all 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:06.520 of this, and you know, she's the real, the real 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.120 problem here. And my dad wasn't smart enough to even 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.919 come up with this. And you know, you want to 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.200 hope that at the beginning of all of this they 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:20.840 felt that in his soul. Yeah, I'm sure sure he 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.680 felt that gut punch you my dad's too much of 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:25.919 a ding dong to have thought about robbing me of 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.279 my money. When my kids say that, I definitely feel it. 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:35.200 I feel every job my kids always say. But I 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:39.120 think that it's so you want to hope that at 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.160 the beginning of the conservatorship that when they decided to 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.760 do that, it really was to protect Brighton, and it 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:48.679 just spiral and then people got greedy, and then people 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.200 got out of control and really took advantage of her. 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:55.039 But I think that the fact that Matthew Rosengart was 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.800 able to do this and then but he keeps talking 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:02.640 about a safety net that has been provid. Yes, so 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:07.000 what exactly is that. I think what that means is 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.680 that it goes into her trust, so that there's a 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:13.400 certain amount of money she still can't access for a 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.679 certain period of time. I believe this to be true. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:18.720 It may not be true. We will have to confirm later. 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.559 Unless to me, Dmitri is nodding silently like he thinks 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.040 that I'm correct as well. But essentially I think that 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.480 I do that all the time. Though, But I did see, 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:28.560 I did see everything about a trust and the money 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:30.320 goes to trust. So I think that I think you're right. 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.400 That is the safety net. Yeah, just to make sure 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.040 that she doesn't go buck wild and just blow it 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:40.680 all on something ridiculous. I wasn't allowed to buy sketchers 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.600 or sushi more than one time a week when she 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:47.960 let you guys know, well, they were just stopping her 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.200 from getting mercury poisoning like everyone else in l A. 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:55.400 But I just want to let you guys know that 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:59.320 Britney Spears has been my icon for as long as 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.520 I can rem remember, for as long as I can remember. 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.480 I'm gone and I have to quit comedy now. I'm 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:10.920 so sorry. But my childhood bedroom was covered in wall 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:16.320 to wall photos, floor to ceiling photos, inside of closet, 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:21.680 door photos, locker photos, anything you could think of with 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.040 Brittany on it. And I will be humble to show 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.680 you a photo of my childhood bedroom. Maybe I'll just 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.000 send that to you guys after and let's just do 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:32.640 a little insert to show the insanity to which I 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.960 loved her. I always thought I was going to grow 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:39.840 up to be a Jewish Britney Spears close now you 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:45.880 host a true time podcast, and so I mean I 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:49.000 I was just really hoping that a man that I 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:52.920 don't love watches my every move as well. But it 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.760 hasn't come to fruition for me yet. You know, she's 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:57.560 trying to get out of a conservatorship. I'm trying to 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.040 get into one. It's it's one's game at this point. 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.520 But I adore her and I'm just so happy to 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:08.040 see what she does with her freedom. I hope that 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.360 she continues to perform and create. But I remember reading 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.360 a headline a couple of months ago in an article 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.400 about how she said she needed to just live her 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.480 life and take some time off. And who knows where 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.960 she's a mentally, But I am looking forward to seeing 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:26.400 what she does with her life now that she's totally 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.680 free to do as she pleases. Um, I do too, 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.520 and I think that I hope that there's so many 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.880 exciting things to come, and I hope that she's feeling 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.280 good and that she's you know, she's engaged. She's got 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:42.680 so many positive things ahead of her. Sam is so hot, hot, 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.959 and I think I saw that he's cast in another 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:50.720 new movie. So him, you're no good for him. Um. 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.240 But we do have to take a little break because 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:58.000 we have Max, who was at Astro World, coming in 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.320 to join us. Okay, so we're gonna be talking about 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:09.520 Travis Scott next. Stay tuned, we will b RB. Yeah. 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:20.920 Hello everyone, and welcome back to Real Time Crime. It's 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:24.800 me Lee Lamar Teddy Mellencamp and Dmitri and we are 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:28.960 very excited to speak to our next guest, Max Byrne, 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:32.840 who was actually at the Astro World festival. As you know, 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.800 that's where Travis Scott was performing and where a tragedy occurred. 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:41.160 And so far nine deaths have happened. It's actually ten 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:45.320 deaths as of today. Now. It's heartbreaking. It is a 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:49.000 his name is Ezra Blown and I think he's ten 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:53.199 years old. He was there with his dad. It's so heartbreaking. 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:58.560 He was on his dad's shoulders far back, and it's 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:00.920 they purposely to and go up to the front because 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:05.600 they wanted to avoid the chaos. Yeah, and so I 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:07.320 just think the number is going to keep rising. But 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.600 yes we should. We should bring Max and and talk 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.920 to him about his experiences and and kind of go 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.520 from there. All right, well let's bring Max in. I'm 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:21.560 looking forward to hearing his perspective on what happened on 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:26.440 the ground. Hi guys, Hi, all right, can when you 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.959 talk to us a little bit about Astro World please? Yeah, 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:34.520 I mean, what do you have any specific questions or anything? 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:37.760 Like I just wanted first here, like as you're walking 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:41.400 in your immediate reaction to what you saw, what you witnessed, 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.560 what time you got there. That that beginning part. So 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:46.600 I went out to Astro World on kind of like 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.200 a bachelor party kind of thing. My friends getting married 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.560 soon and he's a big Travis Scott fan. So we 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.360 all flew out to Houston and the first day we 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:58.040 show up kind of midday and catch Don Toliver, who 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.320 was like an artist or two before Travis Scott, and 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:06.120 coming into the grounds, we it seems like a regular festival, 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.000 you know. Um there was security at the gate and 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.040 everything like that, and we passed through COVID checks. It 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:16.559 felt safe. But once Don Tuliver, who was another Houston rappers, started, 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.319 that's when you started realizing, Oh, it's like it's kind 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.800 of crazy here. Like you get so jammed up in 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.120 this crowd, you're like sardines. You know. I'm sure you 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.640 guys have been to shows too like that. Um, Dmitri 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:40.079 never No, I'm okay, okay, um, but yeah, so uh 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.520 so Don Tlver was the first rapper that we realized like, oh, 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.440 like the crowd is kind of crazy, but maybe we 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.080 just haven't been to a show for a while because 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:50.200 it's been covid Um. But then a few hours later 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.920 Scincessus finishing up and then we're working our way over 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:55.680 to the other stage to go see Travis, and there's 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.160 a huge crowd, and then once he goes on, everyone 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.280 starts rushing, trying to get as close to is they 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.520 can to the stage, you know, And once again it 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:07.920 still felt fine. But as the night went on, it's 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:09.679 just you get more and more jam packed, and we're 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.120 about like thirty ft away from the stage. And at 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.240 one point, once I realized something was going wrong, is 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:19.199 Drake came out, which was amazing, and and then I 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.880 but I looked at my right while they're performing Way 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.080 Too Sexy, which is like one of Drake's big songs, 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:27.800 the Future, and there's two guys getting CPR done next 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:31.360 to us, like this out cold, and and then and 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.560 then I just started realizing there's something going on, Like 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.920 there's like unconscious people being crowd surf out by us, 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:39.680 people trying to get out like they're two. They're stressing 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.400 out in the crowd and some people I can't breathe 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:47.800 and things like that, and um, yeah, I mean I 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.560 think that's the image that just burned in my mind 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:55.880 is just I heard chanting of like, please stop the show, 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.400 please stop the show, that kind of thing. And then 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.240 we look over and there's two guys are just like 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.439 I'm pretty sure they died, to be honest, next to us, 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.400 and just seeing them trying to get resuscitated while the 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:10.199 show's still going. And then we see like an ambulance 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:13.640 trying to go through the crowd. Um And at one 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:17.160 point Travis stopped the show once or twice, but there's 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:20.600 a there's this kind of eerie video where he's looking 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.360 out in the crowd and sees this dude who's like 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.640 unconscious being crowdsurfed out, and he's standing there and then 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.120 he just like starts the next song. And I don't know, 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.120 I mean, people are seeing it from all kinds of 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.720 different angles, but I'm sure you guys are kept up 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:35.400 with the news. I mean, there's more and more people 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.720 that are dying from the event. A nine year old 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:42.000 died recently, which is tragic, and I think it there's 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.200 a lot of things involved with it, but I think 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:48.520 the big problem with the event is just the layout 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:53.320 of the stage and having fifty people just crushing in 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.480 on a stage, and then the medical staff not being 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.800 able to get in there fast enough, the security guards 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:02.680 not being able to stop the crunch. Everyone's hearing about um, 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:06.040 and wasn't it didn't he tweet out like break through 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.480 the barricades, come in, And I mean he was also 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:13.320 arrested for that in two thousand and fifteen and in 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:18.120 two thousand and seventeen for saying similar things, one time 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:21.280 at Astro World itself and the other time at Lollapalooza. 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:25.520 So this has been a common occurrence. Well, that's kind 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.080 of like with his branding, like all of his fans, 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.240 like he calls him ragers and things like that. I've 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:31.880 I've been to one of his shows when he was 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:33.920 first at the Observatory, so I've kind of seen it 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.080 from like when he was smaller to now. It's just 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.280 so crazy, And that's always been kind of like a 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.600 thing with his branding. It's almost like a punk rock band, 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:45.480 but for rappers. You know, people, if that's your branding, fine, 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.640 but then somebody that whoever puts on this event has 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.280 to be prepared to speak to the stage or something, 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.160 because let's listen, I'm not defending one way or the other. 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:56.600 If people are chanting, maybe he doesn't hear what they're chanting. 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.440 Maybe he doesn't know why an artist doesn't just stop 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:01.720 the show because people are chanting stuff the show. But 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.000 if that's the brand of that stuff that's happened in 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.480 the past, they should be prepared for that kind of 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:10.400 ship exactly. And and I was looking. I just did 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.440 like a deep dive on Twitter and TikTok, and I 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.520 saw this one. E MT posted a few videos and 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.960 he was talking about he he at the end of 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.840 his uh you know, response to the event, was blaming 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.720 the crowd for just being too rowdy. But in the 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:27.120 same video, he also said that the walkie talkies weren't 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.720 working properly, the music was too loud so they couldn't 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.880 hear the calls for backup. And while he was going 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:34.840 into to the crowd to go and help people, he 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.479 was coming up on multiple other people who needed CPR 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.240 to get rushed out on the stretcher and they didn't 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.360 have enough stretchers and things like that, at least from 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:47.600 his account. And I mean not to make this about 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:51.040 personal experience, but I my dad is a musician. His 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:54.880 name's John Mellencamp, and he was on tour with Bob 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:58.280 Dylan once and I when I watched my dad, I 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:01.320 used to always sit on this one and like soundbox, 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:03.520 it's kind of far away. Just that was like the 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.760 place we always sat his kids, so he could look 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.880 over and see us. However, we stayed there when Bob 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.200 Dylan came on, and it was far away from where 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:15.160 he was, and within seven minutes of his show starting, 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.040 security had come over to us and said, hey, um, 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:23.080 you're making him nervous sitting there. You hop down. And 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:27.720 so I think that people are very aware of what's 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:29.879 going on in front of them, Like it's not like 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:35.080 you can't see anything. Like that's the part that really 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.919 confuses me. Like you see, you see an ambulance, you 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.440 see somebody come onto the stage and say something to 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.080 him and him tell him to stop. And then we 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.760 know that Live Nation was alerted. And then they played 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.679 for thirty seven more minutes allegedly, and then went to 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:52.480 an after party, and then went to an after party 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:57.440 closted by Drake alleged. Allegedly, they had no idea. Max. 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.520 From your perspective, do you feel like it's possible that 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:06.960 he had no clue? I don't see how he wouldn't 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:12.280 know that there was something wrong going on. I think 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.200 a lot like possibly he just like our group, we 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.400 didn't realize how bad it was until we got back 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.040 and started reading stories, like we thought, like seeing those 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.240 guys getting CPR done next to us, I was like, oh, 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.679 like hopefully they survived, Like I don't really know what 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.959 happened there, Like maybe that was just you know, the 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:32.240 emergency event of the night, like the only one. But 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:33.960 then you read these other stories and then you read 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.040 about this crunch that was supposedly like right on the stage, 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.040 and it's like, how would you not see that while 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.600 you're performing? Right? Is is is that kind of what you're saying, Teddy, 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.440 That's what I'm saying, Like, as a performer, your job 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.399 is to relate to the crowd, to make the crowd 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.920 feel like you're all together, to you know, make that 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.840 eye contact that could maybe feel like you change somebody's 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:58.800 life or whatever it may be. But that also involves safety. 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:01.760 I mean I even watched the video of Asap Rocky 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.119 where he saw something going on and he was like 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.320 stop it now, you know, like screaming at people. We 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:11.720 see now countless musicians having to stop it at you 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:14.080 know the time. But the part that makes me sad, 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.280 or the part that makes me even more worried is 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:20.920 like it is as if violence is encouraged because that's 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:26.600 what makes money. And then the collaboration with better help 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:31.240 to anybody was involved saying that you know, he'll provide 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:36.480 one month of therapy, as if you're in this huge tragedy, 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.440 that one month of therapy is going to do the track. Yeah, 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:43.119 I mean there's definitely PTSD from the event with people. 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:44.879 I mean I feel like I have like a touch 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.080 of it. And then one of my friends, I believe 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.240 from his story, he said like when he was because 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:52.960 he we got split off from our group, and he 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:54.960 said that he saw a golf card go by with 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.040 this body on that was just like blew in the face. 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:59.080 And I'm sure that that does something to you when 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:01.160 you see that. You know, when you pay for a show, 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:06.200 you don't expect to go get traumatized. There's the whole. Also, Max, 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.760 you did use the phrase burned into my memory. Yeah, 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:14.199 so I saw you. I clocked that immediately and I 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:16.400 was like, oh no, you know. I mean also one 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:18.880 month of therapy is I mean, that's like a that's 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:21.880 in my opinion, a big fu because what is one 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.359 month that's like it doesn't make the problem go away. 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:27.159 It's almost like an empty gesture in my opinion. But 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:30.200 and I wasn't there, but when I read the story 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.200 about the dad and the nine year old dad got 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:35.439 knocked out and he couldn't find his son and then 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:37.280 they finally found him in the hospital. Now sadly he's 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:40.560 passed away. Like I I have PTSD from that just 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:44.040 from reading that, like people that were there that were 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.560 part of that, like that's and then also the girl 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.600 who they showed on the stretcher and then they dropped 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.439 her and now that woman is another one has passed 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:55.840 away and you see her crying parents. I mean, I 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.200 think you have to hope that when you were going 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:00.320 to a festival and you're going to the con sert, 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:06.120 like your your safety shouldn't be the biggest problem. That's 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:07.880 never been even a thought in my mind to think 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:09.919 about my safety when I buy a ticket to somewhere, 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:11.280 and now I feel like it has to be for 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:13.720 a lot of people. You know, And I have to 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:16.199 ask you a question, was there like a loud so 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:20.480 a lot of the conspiracy conspiracy theorist that who knows 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.119 if that's what they are have been talking about something 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:26.639 like a sound torture when you've arrived. Was there like 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:32.080 a screeching loud noise like a death whistle, super high 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:35.280 frequency noises? I don't necessarily, I don't know what a 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:41.440 death whistle sounds like, but it's probably good. But if 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:45.800 you ever met Voldemort? Okay, no, not yet. But they 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.879 were playing like weird e d M music at a stage, 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:51.040 and maybe that's what people are describing like it was 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:53.639 literally like really eerie, like almost like trance like e 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:57.720 d M, like some high pitch beats and stuff like that, 0:21:58.000 --> 0:21:59.359 which seem kind of weird to me because it's a 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:01.360 rap show where there are a lot of dogs going 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:07.119 crazy in the background. I don't know, but I don't know. 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:10.119 I'm really interested, though, Like Teddy, have you talked to 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:13.000 your dad about this at all, like and got his 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:17.119 standpoint on safety and like what went down? I haven't 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:21.760 talked to him about it solely because you know, I'm 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:25.320 like a high anxiety person. My dad also has anxiety, 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:28.040 and I feel like something like this would really you know, 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:31.199 like he has his certain things when he goes on stage. 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:35.560 He's very aware. He has like certain routines he follows 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.440 before he starts. He also has like really high security, 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:43.360 and I think that that's something that also I've heard 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:46.480 about at this festival that it was the security was 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:48.960 there was not enough. I mean, yeah, I feel like 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:50.640 the security was a bit of a joke because I mean, 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.520 you guys have what you were talking about, Um, how 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:58.200 he encourages you know, encourages violence or to break the 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:00.880 goods and things like that. Almost in every show he has, 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:04.600 like fans just rushed the security and just pushed through, 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:06.960