Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to Real Time Crime. I'm
Speaker 1: one of your hosts, Leo Lamar, and I have with
Speaker 1: me our co hosts, Teddy Mellencamp. Hi, guys hi, And
Speaker 1: of course we've got our producer who may or may
Speaker 1: not be chiming in if we give him permission. Dmitri. Hello, Dmitri.
Speaker 1: Is now one of those times, Oh no, you go, Dmitri,
Speaker 1: al though, I just didn't give you permission, but please
Speaker 1: wow he learned. Okay, good, all right, why are we
Speaker 1: going to today? We're gonna be discussing Britney Spears, Travis Scott,
Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse, and we've got a couple of call in
Speaker 1: cases which we'll get to a little later. And first
Speaker 1: i'd like to say welcome back to me. I just
Speaker 1: got back from New York. Oh dear lord, how do
Speaker 1: I think the real crime is that anyone lives there
Speaker 1: and survives. I think the real crime is because you're
Speaker 1: just returning from there, that we're doing a podcast when
Speaker 1: it's dark out and normally I'm about to be in
Speaker 1: my second rem cycle. You know, I know this is
Speaker 1: kind of a weird thing to say, but I didn't
Speaker 1: notice that you had a Widow's peak until you put
Speaker 1: your hair up. You know what, it's not that common.
Speaker 1: It's not Fran Drescher. There's just a couple of us.
Speaker 1: One time somebody asked if I would get it if
Speaker 1: I wanted to get it waxed off when they were
Speaker 1: doing my eyebrows, and I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm going to take offense to that, but I don't
Speaker 1: imagine it growing in would look that great, So I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna let it ride. Thank god. Cute. Yeah, you,
Speaker 1: Fran Drescher and Dracula are the only three people like
Speaker 1: that happened. It doesn't like any monster have one too.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all good company, it's all. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's more than Dmitri hilarious. Well you could maybe you
Speaker 1: had one. We don't know. This is a cold case
Speaker 1: right here. All right, guys, we have to focus because
Speaker 1: I am so deep down the obsession. When it comes
Speaker 1: to the correlation between Travis Scott and Britney Spears, do
Speaker 1: you guys happen to know what that is? Um? Both
Speaker 1: of them have received flowers from Christian Jenner. No, they
Speaker 1: both have been made that up? They out right? That
Speaker 1: did sound right? No, both of them have ties to
Speaker 1: Lou Taylor Detective Teddy. I am you know, I've I've
Speaker 1: gone so deep in regards to falling. There's someone named
Speaker 1: house Inhabit on Instagram. You guys should follow us. I
Speaker 1: am obsessed with her account, so now you can't even
Speaker 1: I can't even search her and find her. I can
Speaker 1: only find her through our old d M s and
Speaker 1: then I can click through it. So something's going on here,
Speaker 1: and I've noticed that a lot of people haven't really
Speaker 1: been talking about it. I feel like TikTok has been
Speaker 1: popping off about Travis Scott, but not necessarily Instagram. Is
Speaker 1: that does that feel true? That does feel true? And
Speaker 1: the couple of people that have talked about it on
Speaker 1: Instagram have been shadow band. But I know we've got
Speaker 1: to wait. We're gonna have somebody that actually attended the
Speaker 1: Travis Scott concert or he's going to be on with us,
Speaker 1: so we should probably talk a little bit more about
Speaker 1: the updates on Brittany. My favorite thing was that you
Speaker 1: were like, you, guys, we have to focus, and then
Speaker 1: you immediately were like, let's talk about two cases at
Speaker 1: the same time. But Brittany seems to be very thrilled
Speaker 1: that the can servitorship is over. She's very excited for
Speaker 1: her lawyer that he stepped in and did this. I
Speaker 1: also just I'm worried too. Well, before you voice your concerns,
Speaker 1: which are already valid, I would like to say that
Speaker 1: I was so saddened by the headline that said she
Speaker 1: enjoyed her first glass of champagne. I know every single movement,
Speaker 1: every moment in her life has been watched and monitored.
Speaker 1: She's basically been living in a fish bowl. She has
Speaker 1: been elaborate and as someone who was, you know, essentially
Speaker 1: robbed of a regular childhood like a lot of child
Speaker 1: actors and child stars are, she was then robbed of
Speaker 1: an adulthood and she was infantilized. And I think the
Speaker 1: hashtag free Brittany movement really took off from social media.
Speaker 1: That is an example of a case where hashtag went
Speaker 1: viral and brought the awareness of what was going on
Speaker 1: to the greater good. Because the greater good well, honestly, yeah,
Speaker 1: because fans really helped make this happen. And it's so
Speaker 1: interesting to watch because I remember hearing that Brittany was
Speaker 1: really quietly trying to handle it herself. She was not
Speaker 1: trying to cause a commotion, and it was really the
Speaker 1: general public that stirred up this whole tragedy that was
Speaker 1: happening in her life. Jamie Spears was getting sixteen thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a month. What about it? I mean, I think
Speaker 1: we can all agree is enough to you know, live
Speaker 1: very comfortably. Yeah, but I'm also going to buy a
Speaker 1: Ben's on it in the first paycheck. But but also
Speaker 1: what kind of blew me aways? You know, we had
Speaker 1: all been talking about Jamie Spears, that had been like
Speaker 1: the main focus. But then when Brittany did her post
Speaker 1: where she said like it was actually all my mom.
Speaker 1: My mom was the one that came up with all
Speaker 1: of this, and you know, she's the real, the real
Speaker 1: problem here. And my dad wasn't smart enough to even
Speaker 1: come up with this. And you know, you want to
Speaker 1: hope that at the beginning of all of this they
Speaker 1: felt that in his soul. Yeah, I'm sure sure he
Speaker 1: felt that gut punch you my dad's too much of
Speaker 1: a ding dong to have thought about robbing me of
Speaker 1: my money. When my kids say that, I definitely feel it.
Speaker 1: I feel every job my kids always say. But I
Speaker 1: think that it's so you want to hope that at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the conservatorship that when they decided to
Speaker 1: do that, it really was to protect Brighton, and it
Speaker 1: just spiral and then people got greedy, and then people
Speaker 1: got out of control and really took advantage of her.
Speaker 1: But I think that the fact that Matthew Rosengart was
Speaker 1: able to do this and then but he keeps talking
Speaker 1: about a safety net that has been provid. Yes, so
Speaker 1: what exactly is that. I think what that means is
Speaker 1: that it goes into her trust, so that there's a
Speaker 1: certain amount of money she still can't access for a
Speaker 1: certain period of time. I believe this to be true.
Speaker 1: It may not be true. We will have to confirm later.
Speaker 1: Unless to me, Dmitri is nodding silently like he thinks
Speaker 1: that I'm correct as well. But essentially I think that
Speaker 1: I do that all the time. Though, But I did see,
Speaker 1: I did see everything about a trust and the money
Speaker 1: goes to trust. So I think that I think you're right.
Speaker 1: That is the safety net. Yeah, just to make sure
Speaker 1: that she doesn't go buck wild and just blow it
Speaker 1: all on something ridiculous. I wasn't allowed to buy sketchers
Speaker 1: or sushi more than one time a week when she
Speaker 1: let you guys know, well, they were just stopping her
Speaker 1: from getting mercury poisoning like everyone else in l A.
Speaker 1: But I just want to let you guys know that
Speaker 1: Britney Spears has been my icon for as long as
Speaker 1: I can rem remember, for as long as I can remember.
Speaker 1: I'm gone and I have to quit comedy now. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. But my childhood bedroom was covered in wall
Speaker 1: to wall photos, floor to ceiling photos, inside of closet,
Speaker 1: door photos, locker photos, anything you could think of with
Speaker 1: Brittany on it. And I will be humble to show
Speaker 1: you a photo of my childhood bedroom. Maybe I'll just
Speaker 1: send that to you guys after and let's just do
Speaker 1: a little insert to show the insanity to which I
Speaker 1: loved her. I always thought I was going to grow
Speaker 1: up to be a Jewish Britney Spears close now you
Speaker 1: host a true time podcast, and so I mean I
Speaker 1: I was just really hoping that a man that I
Speaker 1: don't love watches my every move as well. But it
Speaker 1: hasn't come to fruition for me yet. You know, she's
Speaker 1: trying to get out of a conservatorship. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get into one. It's it's one's game at this point.
Speaker 1: But I adore her and I'm just so happy to
Speaker 1: see what she does with her freedom. I hope that
Speaker 1: she continues to perform and create. But I remember reading
Speaker 1: a headline a couple of months ago in an article
Speaker 1: about how she said she needed to just live her
Speaker 1: life and take some time off. And who knows where
Speaker 1: she's a mentally, But I am looking forward to seeing
Speaker 1: what she does with her life now that she's totally
Speaker 1: free to do as she pleases. Um, I do too,
Speaker 1: and I think that I hope that there's so many
Speaker 1: exciting things to come, and I hope that she's feeling
Speaker 1: good and that she's you know, she's engaged. She's got
Speaker 1: so many positive things ahead of her. Sam is so hot, hot,
Speaker 1: and I think I saw that he's cast in another
Speaker 1: new movie. So him, you're no good for him. Um.
Speaker 1: But we do have to take a little break because
Speaker 1: we have Max, who was at Astro World, coming in
Speaker 1: to join us. Okay, so we're gonna be talking about
Speaker 1: Travis Scott next. Stay tuned, we will b RB. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to Real Time Crime. It's
Speaker 1: me Lee Lamar Teddy Mellencamp and Dmitri and we are
Speaker 1: very excited to speak to our next guest, Max Byrne,
Speaker 1: who was actually at the Astro World festival. As you know,
Speaker 1: that's where Travis Scott was performing and where a tragedy occurred.
Speaker 1: And so far nine deaths have happened. It's actually ten
Speaker 1: deaths as of today. Now. It's heartbreaking. It is a
Speaker 1: his name is Ezra Blown and I think he's ten
Speaker 1: years old. He was there with his dad. It's so heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: He was on his dad's shoulders far back, and it's
Speaker 1: they purposely to and go up to the front because
Speaker 1: they wanted to avoid the chaos. Yeah, and so I
Speaker 1: just think the number is going to keep rising. But
Speaker 1: yes we should. We should bring Max and and talk
Speaker 1: to him about his experiences and and kind of go
Speaker 1: from there. All right, well let's bring Max in. I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to hearing his perspective on what happened on
Speaker 1: the ground. Hi guys, Hi, all right, can when you
Speaker 1: talk to us a little bit about Astro World please? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you have any specific questions or anything?
Speaker 1: Like I just wanted first here, like as you're walking
Speaker 1: in your immediate reaction to what you saw, what you witnessed,
Speaker 1: what time you got there. That that beginning part. So
Speaker 1: I went out to Astro World on kind of like
Speaker 1: a bachelor party kind of thing. My friends getting married
Speaker 1: soon and he's a big Travis Scott fan. So we
Speaker 1: all flew out to Houston and the first day we
Speaker 1: show up kind of midday and catch Don Toliver, who
Speaker 1: was like an artist or two before Travis Scott, and
Speaker 1: coming into the grounds, we it seems like a regular festival,
Speaker 1: you know. Um there was security at the gate and
Speaker 1: everything like that, and we passed through COVID checks. It
Speaker 1: felt safe. But once Don Tuliver, who was another Houston rappers, started,
Speaker 1: that's when you started realizing, Oh, it's like it's kind
Speaker 1: of crazy here. Like you get so jammed up in
Speaker 1: this crowd, you're like sardines. You know. I'm sure you
Speaker 1: guys have been to shows too like that. Um, Dmitri
Speaker 1: never No, I'm okay, okay, um, but yeah, so uh
Speaker 1: so Don Tlver was the first rapper that we realized like, oh,
Speaker 1: like the crowd is kind of crazy, but maybe we
Speaker 1: just haven't been to a show for a while because
Speaker 1: it's been covid Um. But then a few hours later
Speaker 1: Scincessus finishing up and then we're working our way over
Speaker 1: to the other stage to go see Travis, and there's
Speaker 1: a huge crowd, and then once he goes on, everyone
Speaker 1: starts rushing, trying to get as close to is they
Speaker 1: can to the stage, you know, And once again it
Speaker 1: still felt fine. But as the night went on, it's
Speaker 1: just you get more and more jam packed, and we're
Speaker 1: about like thirty ft away from the stage. And at
Speaker 1: one point, once I realized something was going wrong, is
Speaker 1: Drake came out, which was amazing, and and then I
Speaker 1: but I looked at my right while they're performing Way
Speaker 1: Too Sexy, which is like one of Drake's big songs,
Speaker 1: the Future, and there's two guys getting CPR done next
Speaker 1: to us, like this out cold, and and then and
Speaker 1: then I just started realizing there's something going on, Like
Speaker 1: there's like unconscious people being crowd surf out by us,
Speaker 1: people trying to get out like they're two. They're stressing
Speaker 1: out in the crowd and some people I can't breathe
Speaker 1: and things like that, and um, yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: think that's the image that just burned in my mind
Speaker 1: is just I heard chanting of like, please stop the show,
Speaker 1: please stop the show, that kind of thing. And then
Speaker 1: we look over and there's two guys are just like
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they died, to be honest, next to us,
Speaker 1: and just seeing them trying to get resuscitated while the
Speaker 1: show's still going. And then we see like an ambulance
Speaker 1: trying to go through the crowd. Um And at one
Speaker 1: point Travis stopped the show once or twice, but there's
Speaker 1: a there's this kind of eerie video where he's looking
Speaker 1: out in the crowd and sees this dude who's like
Speaker 1: unconscious being crowdsurfed out, and he's standing there and then
Speaker 1: he just like starts the next song. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, people are seeing it from all kinds of
Speaker 1: different angles, but I'm sure you guys are kept up
Speaker 1: with the news. I mean, there's more and more people
Speaker 1: that are dying from the event. A nine year old
Speaker 1: died recently, which is tragic, and I think it there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things involved with it, but I think
Speaker 1: the big problem with the event is just the layout
Speaker 1: of the stage and having fifty people just crushing in
Speaker 1: on a stage, and then the medical staff not being
Speaker 1: able to get in there fast enough, the security guards
Speaker 1: not being able to stop the crunch. Everyone's hearing about um,
Speaker 1: and wasn't it didn't he tweet out like break through
Speaker 1: the barricades, come in, And I mean he was also
Speaker 1: arrested for that in two thousand and fifteen and in
Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen for saying similar things, one time
Speaker 1: at Astro World itself and the other time at Lollapalooza.
Speaker 1: So this has been a common occurrence. Well, that's kind
Speaker 1: of like with his branding, like all of his fans,
Speaker 1: like he calls him ragers and things like that. I've
Speaker 1: I've been to one of his shows when he was
Speaker 1: first at the Observatory, so I've kind of seen it
Speaker 1: from like when he was smaller to now. It's just
Speaker 1: so crazy, And that's always been kind of like a
Speaker 1: thing with his branding. It's almost like a punk rock band,
Speaker 1: but for rappers. You know, people, if that's your branding, fine,
Speaker 1: but then somebody that whoever puts on this event has
Speaker 1: to be prepared to speak to the stage or something,
Speaker 1: because let's listen, I'm not defending one way or the other.
Speaker 1: If people are chanting, maybe he doesn't hear what they're chanting.
Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't know why an artist doesn't just stop
Speaker 1: the show because people are chanting stuff the show. But
Speaker 1: if that's the brand of that stuff that's happened in
Speaker 1: the past, they should be prepared for that kind of
Speaker 1: ship exactly. And and I was looking. I just did
Speaker 1: like a deep dive on Twitter and TikTok, and I
Speaker 1: saw this one. E MT posted a few videos and
Speaker 1: he was talking about he he at the end of
Speaker 1: his uh you know, response to the event, was blaming
Speaker 1: the crowd for just being too rowdy. But in the
Speaker 1: same video, he also said that the walkie talkies weren't
Speaker 1: working properly, the music was too loud so they couldn't
Speaker 1: hear the calls for backup. And while he was going
Speaker 1: into to the crowd to go and help people, he
Speaker 1: was coming up on multiple other people who needed CPR
Speaker 1: to get rushed out on the stretcher and they didn't
Speaker 1: have enough stretchers and things like that, at least from
Speaker 1: his account. And I mean not to make this about
Speaker 1: personal experience, but I my dad is a musician. His
Speaker 1: name's John Mellencamp, and he was on tour with Bob
Speaker 1: Dylan once and I when I watched my dad, I
Speaker 1: used to always sit on this one and like soundbox,
Speaker 1: it's kind of far away. Just that was like the
Speaker 1: place we always sat his kids, so he could look
Speaker 1: over and see us. However, we stayed there when Bob
Speaker 1: Dylan came on, and it was far away from where
Speaker 1: he was, and within seven minutes of his show starting,
Speaker 1: security had come over to us and said, hey, um,
Speaker 1: you're making him nervous sitting there. You hop down. And
Speaker 1: so I think that people are very aware of what's
Speaker 1: going on in front of them, Like it's not like
Speaker 1: you can't see anything. Like that's the part that really
Speaker 1: confuses me. Like you see, you see an ambulance, you
Speaker 1: see somebody come onto the stage and say something to
Speaker 1: him and him tell him to stop. And then we
Speaker 1: know that Live Nation was alerted. And then they played
Speaker 1: for thirty seven more minutes allegedly, and then went to
Speaker 1: an after party, and then went to an after party
Speaker 1: closted by Drake alleged. Allegedly, they had no idea. Max.
Speaker 1: From your perspective, do you feel like it's possible that
Speaker 1: he had no clue? I don't see how he wouldn't
Speaker 1: know that there was something wrong going on. I think
Speaker 1: a lot like possibly he just like our group, we
Speaker 1: didn't realize how bad it was until we got back
Speaker 1: and started reading stories, like we thought, like seeing those
Speaker 1: guys getting CPR done next to us, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: like hopefully they survived, Like I don't really know what
Speaker 1: happened there, Like maybe that was just you know, the
Speaker 1: emergency event of the night, like the only one. But
Speaker 1: then you read these other stories and then you read
Speaker 1: about this crunch that was supposedly like right on the stage,
Speaker 1: and it's like, how would you not see that while
Speaker 1: you're performing? Right? Is is is that kind of what you're saying, Teddy,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like, as a performer, your job
Speaker 1: is to relate to the crowd, to make the crowd
Speaker 1: feel like you're all together, to you know, make that
Speaker 1: eye contact that could maybe feel like you change somebody's
Speaker 1: life or whatever it may be. But that also involves safety.
Speaker 1: I mean I even watched the video of Asap Rocky
Speaker 1: where he saw something going on and he was like
Speaker 1: stop it now, you know, like screaming at people. We
Speaker 1: see now countless musicians having to stop it at you
Speaker 1: know the time. But the part that makes me sad,
Speaker 1: or the part that makes me even more worried is
Speaker 1: like it is as if violence is encouraged because that's
Speaker 1: what makes money. And then the collaboration with better help
Speaker 1: to anybody was involved saying that you know, he'll provide
Speaker 1: one month of therapy, as if you're in this huge tragedy,
Speaker 1: that one month of therapy is going to do the track. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's definitely PTSD from the event with people.
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I have like a touch
Speaker 1: of it. And then one of my friends, I believe
Speaker 1: from his story, he said like when he was because
Speaker 1: he we got split off from our group, and he
Speaker 1: said that he saw a golf card go by with
Speaker 1: this body on that was just like blew in the face.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that that does something to you when
Speaker 1: you see that. You know, when you pay for a show,
Speaker 1: you don't expect to go get traumatized. There's the whole. Also, Max,
Speaker 1: you did use the phrase burned into my memory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I saw you. I clocked that immediately and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, you know. I mean also one
Speaker 1: month of therapy is I mean, that's like a that's
Speaker 1: in my opinion, a big fu because what is one
Speaker 1: month that's like it doesn't make the problem go away.
Speaker 1: It's almost like an empty gesture in my opinion. But
Speaker 1: and I wasn't there, but when I read the story
Speaker 1: about the dad and the nine year old dad got
Speaker 1: knocked out and he couldn't find his son and then
Speaker 1: they finally found him in the hospital. Now sadly he's
Speaker 1: passed away. Like I I have PTSD from that just
Speaker 1: from reading that, like people that were there that were
Speaker 1: part of that, like that's and then also the girl
Speaker 1: who they showed on the stretcher and then they dropped
Speaker 1: her and now that woman is another one has passed
Speaker 1: away and you see her crying parents. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think you have to hope that when you were going
Speaker 1: to a festival and you're going to the con sert,
Speaker 1: like your your safety shouldn't be the biggest problem. That's
Speaker 1: never been even a thought in my mind to think
Speaker 1: about my safety when I buy a ticket to somewhere,
Speaker 1: and now I feel like it has to be for
Speaker 1: a lot of people. You know, And I have to
Speaker 1: ask you a question, was there like a loud so
Speaker 1: a lot of the conspiracy conspiracy theorist that who knows
Speaker 1: if that's what they are have been talking about something
Speaker 1: like a sound torture when you've arrived. Was there like
Speaker 1: a screeching loud noise like a death whistle, super high
Speaker 1: frequency noises? I don't necessarily, I don't know what a
Speaker 1: death whistle sounds like, but it's probably good. But if
Speaker 1: you ever met Voldemort? Okay, no, not yet. But they
Speaker 1: were playing like weird e d M music at a stage,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's what people are describing like it was
Speaker 1: literally like really eerie, like almost like trance like e
Speaker 1: d M, like some high pitch beats and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: which seem kind of weird to me because it's a
Speaker 1: rap show where there are a lot of dogs going
Speaker 1: crazy in the background. I don't know, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm really interested, though, Like Teddy, have you talked to
Speaker 1: your dad about this at all, like and got his
Speaker 1: standpoint on safety and like what went down? I haven't
Speaker 1: talked to him about it solely because you know, I'm
Speaker 1: like a high anxiety person. My dad also has anxiety,
Speaker 1: and I feel like something like this would really you know,
Speaker 1: like he has his certain things when he goes on stage.
Speaker 1: He's very aware. He has like certain routines he follows
Speaker 1: before he starts. He also has like really high security,
Speaker 1: and I think that that's something that also I've heard
Speaker 1: about at this festival that it was the security was
Speaker 1: there was not enough. I mean, yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: the security was a bit of a joke because I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys have what you were talking about, Um, how
Speaker 1: he encourages you know, encourages violence or to break the
Speaker 1: goods and things like that. Almost in every show he has,
Speaker 1: like fans just rushed the security and just pushed through,
Speaker 1: and there's a bunch of videos of it, and it's
Speaker 1: just crazy, Like the security legit got overwhelmed. And it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be like a COVID safe event too, right,
Speaker 1: So there goes that. And did they ask you to
Speaker 1: see like your PCR test? Yeah, so they were following those, yeah,
Speaker 1: vaxxcards and uh COVID tests. Yeah. But did you see
Speaker 1: people breaking down the fence to get in without checking
Speaker 1: in through the proper channels? No? No, it was all
Speaker 1: fine when I walked in, But I think that happened
Speaker 1: as the day went on and it got closer to
Speaker 1: Travis's you know, did you see any sort of acknowledgement
Speaker 1: from Travis of inciting violence, and we know his lyrics.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a song Stargazer that was in where
Speaker 1: one of the lyrics was it ain't a mosh pit,
Speaker 1: if ain't no injuries. Do you feel like he was
Speaker 1: encouraging it at all from the stage that night? I
Speaker 1: also know and have heard that the stage looked and
Speaker 1: felt dem on it. Did you also feel that way
Speaker 1: with the cross going into a tunnel of hell? From
Speaker 1: what everyone was saying and describing it as Okay, No,
Speaker 1: I did not really catch onto the whole demonic tones
Speaker 1: that everyone's talking about, Like my sister went down the
Speaker 1: whole rabbit hole and sent me so many photos and
Speaker 1: things about that. But I can see where it comes from,
Speaker 1: and I almost feel like he pokes fun at it
Speaker 1: or there might be something going on there like he does.
Speaker 1: It does have like some demonic or dark undertones to
Speaker 1: his marketing the stage design um. But yeah, in terms
Speaker 1: of inciting violence, I don't think there was really like
Speaker 1: a specific moment where he did it that night, but
Speaker 1: there are videos of him, you know, like there was
Speaker 1: there's one video on YouTube where someone tried to steal
Speaker 1: a shoe and then he commanded the whole audience to
Speaker 1: beat the ship out of the guy in front of him. Yeah. Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, so, where do you guys stand now when
Speaker 1: it comes to festivals, when it comes to bringing your
Speaker 1: I mean taking your kids to the things. Like I
Speaker 1: you would think that you were going to tend and
Speaker 1: it's gonna be okay. So now that since you've been there,
Speaker 1: I know you don't have kids, but what would you
Speaker 1: say your comfort level is ongoing again. I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like Astro World's out the books in the future.
Speaker 1: But we my girlfriend and I we've never been to Coachella,
Speaker 1: so that was on our list this year. But now
Speaker 1: I kind of want to think twice about it. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I mean, the night that I
Speaker 1: was hearing about all the accidents in the medical emergencies
Speaker 1: from Astro World, I was looking up other festivals and
Speaker 1: it's maybe one death happens in like ten years, right,
Speaker 1: I like Coachella. That's kind of what I was reading
Speaker 1: up on. Is that sound right? Well? I was reading
Speaker 1: up on that too, and I saw something which I
Speaker 1: guess and his most and Travis Scott's most recent video.
Speaker 1: He was wearing a pearl jam uh concert t And
Speaker 1: the last time that there was like mass deaths was
Speaker 1: at a Pearl jam. Uh why am I blak festival?
Speaker 1: Like what however many years ago? So it's people are saying,
Speaker 1: was this some sort of past reference on knowing that
Speaker 1: this happened? And it's just I don't know. There's just
Speaker 1: so many things that just make me really concerned about
Speaker 1: my kids, really concerned about sending my kids to something,
Speaker 1: because especially the older I get, the less I know
Speaker 1: about the different artists that they're into and what they
Speaker 1: promote and things like that, what they're into. There was
Speaker 1: also conspiracy around the fact that people were being injected
Speaker 1: with some sort of chemical that was creating I mean,
Speaker 1: from what I was hearing, there were so many people
Speaker 1: going into cardiac arrest. Yeah, and so do you think
Speaker 1: that there's some truth to that? I Mean my first
Speaker 1: thought when I heard about them calling it a mass
Speaker 1: casualty event and the deaths and thinking about the people
Speaker 1: next to us that needed CPR, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: the I felt like we were squeezed together and like
Speaker 1: our for example, but it wasn't where I couldn't breathe.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, man, were those two people next to us,
Speaker 1: like did they get a bad batch of drugs? Like
Speaker 1: you hear a lot about fent at all and that
Speaker 1: stuff happening, um, and then you hear this rumor about
Speaker 1: the injections And I don't know if that was like
Speaker 1: made up by the event to try to take off
Speaker 1: some of that blame or anything like that. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. The only the only time I ever
Speaker 1: heard about that was on the news and then supposedly
Speaker 1: a security guard got injected, but now the yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: So I don't really know what to make of that. Now.
Speaker 1: I hope that's not true. That's really scary, um. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I I didn't have any experience running in with anything
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, I also think something strange that
Speaker 1: I heard, And maybe this is regular protocol because they
Speaker 1: don't want to incite further panic, But the way that
Speaker 1: they were speaking about people who were passed out on
Speaker 1: the floor or any sort of person that needed help
Speaker 1: was by calling them a smurf on their radio system.
Speaker 1: And I found that even oddly disturbing. Right for to
Speaker 1: use the word smurf as a code word for someone
Speaker 1: who may be dead. Yeah, I have no clue I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like that just goes hand in hand with
Speaker 1: the medicals. I honestly feel like the medical staff just
Speaker 1: wasn't equipped the handle of the event properly. That like,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's one of the biggest issues. And
Speaker 1: not only that, but they didn't have like the proper
Speaker 1: channeling to get through the audience in an efficient way. Um.
Speaker 1: But now I don't really know the smurf thing though,
Speaker 1: It's just it just sounds weird. Well, you could also
Speaker 1: see the guy standing up on the ledge, the guy
Speaker 1: there was a guy and a girl standing up with
Speaker 1: somebody video and just like screaming they're dead, They're dead. Stop.
Speaker 1: And the cameraman video right yeah, with the cameraman video.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's there's so many different things that you
Speaker 1: see and it's it's so disturbing. UM. Just is our
Speaker 1: final like question for you before we take a break.
Speaker 1: How are you actually feeling? Um? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: feel like I get uh. I would say the first
Speaker 1: day after we tried to act like everything was fine,
Speaker 1: but I feel like as we thought about like what
Speaker 1: happened and thinking about the people next to us, I
Speaker 1: talked about the whole image burned in my head with
Speaker 1: the people getting CPR next to us and things like that,
Speaker 1: walking like coming back from the trip once we touched down,
Speaker 1: kind of started thinking like, I mean, I'm definitely gonna
Speaker 1: have to deal with something from that, Like mentally, I
Speaker 1: feel like just because it's like like you said, it's
Speaker 1: kind of stuck in my head now, you know, like
Speaker 1: more than one three month of yeah, well, well I
Speaker 1: think shock, and then it's trauma, and then it's having
Speaker 1: to process it shock trauma, anger. I mean, I had
Speaker 1: a whole day where I was just really frustrated, like
Speaker 1: and just trying to think of what could be the
Speaker 1: solution for this, you know. Um. And then I also
Speaker 1: I was talking to my mom about the whole story,
Speaker 1: and then we were talking for a while about it
Speaker 1: and I ended up crying a little bit just because
Speaker 1: I just you almost feel like a little bit of
Speaker 1: survivors gill. Like I've heard that that um term before,
Speaker 1: and like obviously it's not like not everyone was dying
Speaker 1: around us, you know, but you almost feel bad like, wow,
Speaker 1: people so close to us, like literally feet away from us,
Speaker 1: died and then we came back from the event. Fine, Um,
Speaker 1: but I don't I don't know that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of thoughts going on in my mind about the whole thing,
Speaker 1: but I think it's getting better as time goes by.
Speaker 1: But well, we appreciate you coming on and sharing with
Speaker 1: us and talking to us about this, and we wish
Speaker 1: you the best, and we hope that we can we
Speaker 1: can talk to you soon under other circumstances. I mean,
Speaker 1: that sounds good. Thanks. Thanks for being so vulnerable and
Speaker 1: open and honest. We hope you feel better soon. I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks, guys, It's a pleasure by Max. I
Speaker 1: do all right, Teddy Dmitri. I think it's best if
Speaker 1: we take a quick break and we'll come right back.
Speaker 1: All right, everyone, welcome back to Real Time Crime. It's
Speaker 1: us your favorite true crime comedy Maniacs. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: hey guys, welcome back to to Brunettes and the bald Um.
Speaker 1: I yeah, we were just talking off the air quickly
Speaker 1: about how I was supposed be in Houston that weekend,
Speaker 1: and it just that was very dark. I'm still feeling
Speaker 1: that conversation that we had. I know, right when we
Speaker 1: asked him how he was feeling, and then you could
Speaker 1: see his demeanor shift. I was like, my heart I
Speaker 1: know there's so I mean, think about it, there's over
Speaker 1: fifty you know, over fifty thou people that were there
Speaker 1: that feel that same way he does. This isn't this
Speaker 1: isn't the ten people that have passed away. This is
Speaker 1: so much more too. So it's just Travis Scott was
Speaker 1: a lot of people therapy also, you know, not to
Speaker 1: try to compare myself at all to um the level
Speaker 1: of Travis Scott or any you know, wherever he's at.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting because when you're on a stage and
Speaker 1: the light is just on you, you can still see,
Speaker 1: you can still see. And if people started charging the stage.
Speaker 1: You know, I was playing the Cosmopolitan in Vegas, which
Speaker 1: is around three thousand seat theater. If people started charging
Speaker 1: the stage, I would get uncomfortable. But he's asking for it.
Speaker 1: That's the difference. The differences. You don't you don't feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: these people are beating up on each other. For me,
Speaker 1: you don't have that weird. I don't even know what
Speaker 1: to call him. He has a comfortability with violence, and
Speaker 1: that is terrifying to me. And people are showing what
Speaker 1: type of fans they are by the more violence they
Speaker 1: can create. I prefer fans that um are too tired
Speaker 1: to stand up. You'd prefer fans that you know, we'll
Speaker 1: give you laughs at your jokes or even half laughs
Speaker 1: from that. Yeah, they're too tired to laugh. They're too tired.
Speaker 1: It's just they can't get up. Um. All right, I
Speaker 1: think it's time for us to pivot over to our boy,
Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse. Oh boy, So, I think everyone has kind
Speaker 1: of been waiting for this trial for a while now,
Speaker 1: And just for anyone who may not know what's happening,
Speaker 1: here a quick summary. Kyle Rittenhouse was the r Illinois
Speaker 1: teenager who killed two people and wounded another during unresting Kenosha, Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: last summer. He went on trial Monday on homicide charges.
Speaker 1: He's now eighteen, and he's accused of fatally shooting Anthony
Speaker 1: Huber who's twenty six, Joseph Rosenbaum is thirty six, and
Speaker 1: wounding Gauge Gross Skurts, who's twenty seven. And I mean,
Speaker 1: we're still getting in real time news about this case
Speaker 1: and about how the court proceedings are going. And I mean,
Speaker 1: feel free to jump right in at any point, but
Speaker 1: I think we can all agree there there are a
Speaker 1: couple of angles here that are disturbing. First of all,
Speaker 1: Judge Schroeder seems to be losing it a little bit.
Speaker 1: He a Teddy sent us a video because Teddy is
Speaker 1: a incredible detective. She found this video of Schroeder just
Speaker 1: losing his SOT mid sentence and then trying to somehow
Speaker 1: come out of it with a talking about sentencing someone
Speaker 1: to to life for murder. And I was like, I
Speaker 1: lost myself there for a second. I'm like, you're not
Speaker 1: in the real time crime pod when like move for
Speaker 1: the comedy store. But this is not this is not
Speaker 1: the time. I mean, I think, first and foremost, for me,
Speaker 1: kids should not have accessibility to semi automatic rifles. They
Speaker 1: just shouldn't and it really infuriates me. But also as
Speaker 1: I was doing my research on him, and you know, yes,
Speaker 1: the judge being a hot mess, but every witness that
Speaker 1: hit the now I'm blanking now, I'm like the judge
Speaker 1: the stand. Every witness that went onto the stand, including Gauge,
Speaker 1: one of the people shot, turned into a defense witness,
Speaker 1: which was surprising, which I had never read anything about
Speaker 1: before until I started really listening. He said, listen, you
Speaker 1: know we were coming at him, and I pointed my
Speaker 1: rifle at him, and that's why he shot right. And
Speaker 1: I think no one in their right mind ever thought
Speaker 1: that this would turn into a self defense case, especially
Speaker 1: because he walked out of his house wearing backwards hat.
Speaker 1: That's pretty casual in my opinion. You know, Dmitri, you
Speaker 1: should go pretend to be a policeman, Like, don't go
Speaker 1: there with that, like it's it's it's it's not for
Speaker 1: you to do. It's not your job. And you know,
Speaker 1: you go back and you see that. You know, a
Speaker 1: while ago he had made a comment about a like
Speaker 1: on a Facebook past when CVS had been robbed, and
Speaker 1: he said like, oh I wish I could get and
Speaker 1: I wish I had my gun then and I would
Speaker 1: have taken care of that. Um. So you know he's
Speaker 1: going in, you know, thinking to to protect whatever is
Speaker 1: being looted. But it's just the amount of catastrophe that
Speaker 1: comes after it is worse than the looting. Well, Rosenbaum
Speaker 1: apparently was completely unarmed and through what they allegedly think
Speaker 1: is a plastic bag at him and then written house
Speaker 1: shot him. And then he immediately called someone and said
Speaker 1: I just killed somebody. Well, so one of them also
Speaker 1: hit him with a skateboard on the head. That was
Speaker 1: the second. Yeah, there was I think that was Huber. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: you stay home, you don't get hit with a skateboard
Speaker 1: in the head. But it doesn't mean that because you
Speaker 1: own a gun that you show up and and and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden to take the place of like
Speaker 1: the in charge commando. Like that's insane. Well also, he
Speaker 1: left the scene still armed and walked towards police officers
Speaker 1: with his hands up, but the police just passed him
Speaker 1: by without arresting him. He did turn himself in the
Speaker 1: next day. I mean, I think there were multiple people
Speaker 1: as far as I've seen, that had guns. But that
Speaker 1: also makes me question why you're not. I mean because
Speaker 1: I was looking at the different laws in the different
Speaker 1: states on how old you have to be to have
Speaker 1: a gun, and there's all these like, oh, you don't
Speaker 1: even have to be with a parent if you're hunting,
Speaker 1: but like you could be twelve years old in some
Speaker 1: states and have a gun as long as you're hunting,
Speaker 1: you know. But it's I just think, but the fact
Speaker 1: that you can't even drive it, like all the other
Speaker 1: things that you can't do without a parent until a
Speaker 1: certain age. But a gun is okay, it's so it's
Speaker 1: too accessible. You could buy a gun at Walmart, that's
Speaker 1: how easy it is to get them. And rifle, I mean,
Speaker 1: what civilians should not have access to assault rifles, especially
Speaker 1: he's under eighteen. I think that takes the Second Amendment
Speaker 1: a little far. And someone who's not even trained to
Speaker 1: do such a thing making it there. He was given
Speaker 1: a bottle of water from the police. Um at one
Speaker 1: point before that. If this this a whole this whole
Speaker 1: thing is a huge mix up. Now I want to
Speaker 1: ask you, guys, what did you think about his I
Speaker 1: almost had performance but whatever when he was on the stand,
Speaker 1: when he was sobbing and having a mental breakdown and
Speaker 1: will not mental breakdown, well, I mean been there, done that.
Speaker 1: But um yeah, I mean he's a better actor than
Speaker 1: most people in Hollywood. I I don't know. I I
Speaker 1: think that he probably does feel terribly. I think that
Speaker 1: it doesn't excuse what he did, but I think that
Speaker 1: he probably he I mean, he is a kid, and
Speaker 1: he acted poorly, and you have to also, you know,
Speaker 1: he regardless of what happens, that was a crime. And
Speaker 1: I think that if you are a kid, that you
Speaker 1: think it's okay that you can have a gun and
Speaker 1: go out and take matters into your own hands. That
Speaker 1: comes with how you were raised. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just I don't think it comes out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: This case is really heartbreaking to me because I don't
Speaker 1: think this was one of those situations where he sought
Speaker 1: out to go kill people, but he brought it a
Speaker 1: gun with him. I think that was I mean, that
Speaker 1: was what the group was doing to protect that. I
Speaker 1: think that he originally thought that he was going to
Speaker 1: use the gun not to shoot people. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I really don't, but I you know what I think.
Speaker 1: I think in my opinion, you know, it almost like
Speaker 1: takes me back to Brian Laundry, thinking about someone who's
Speaker 1: too much of a coward too take accountability and go
Speaker 1: to the police and say this is what I've done.
Speaker 1: And so for Kyle Writtenhouse to turn himself in, I
Speaker 1: don't want to say, oh, that's so big of him,
Speaker 1: but it shows and it shows remorse, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think that, yes, he should have never had that gun.
Speaker 1: Yes he should have never thought he could do any
Speaker 1: of it. That being said, it could have potentially happened
Speaker 1: because people were coming at him and he felt what
Speaker 1: they continued to say on one of the things that
Speaker 1: I was reading, not that this makes it okay, but
Speaker 1: that all three people that were shot were convicted felons,
Speaker 1: one was a child molester, one like these weren't necessarily
Speaker 1: good guys. And then what ended up happening in the
Speaker 1: media was because this was all during BLM, everybody was
Speaker 1: calling him a white supremacist, but all three people that
Speaker 1: were shot were white, just well, and and so that
Speaker 1: that is something that I think can be askewed because
Speaker 1: that you know, he wasn't. It does not make it
Speaker 1: okay that they were falons, but it makes it clear
Speaker 1: that in the media things can be skewed to not
Speaker 1: get the proper information out there. Maybe his mom should
Speaker 1: not have given him a ride to go there with
Speaker 1: his gun, maybe, right, Yeah, I mean it's also interesting
Speaker 1: because I I mentally can't put myself in their shoes.
Speaker 1: I always try to see the other side's perspective, and
Speaker 1: in this perspective, you know, I'm trying to think, maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, she really thought they were doing the right thing,
Speaker 1: and that looks different to different people. You know, That's
Speaker 1: not how I would respond to the situation. But I
Speaker 1: can't put my po V on every single person. You know,
Speaker 1: in the third person written how shot gauge gross crits.
Speaker 1: He survived, and he testified on Monday that it wasn't
Speaker 1: until he pointed his own gun at ritten house that
Speaker 1: he fired. And so, I mean he had a glock
Speaker 1: nineteen and he pointed it at a young boy and
Speaker 1: so it was on the ground, and his self defense
Speaker 1: case is looking pretty real at that point. Well, with
Speaker 1: closing statements beginning Monday, where do you think it's headed.
Speaker 1: I think he is going to win. I think it's
Speaker 1: I think it might be marked up to self defense
Speaker 1: as I don't know though, I mean I was wrong
Speaker 1: one other time. I I don't know that I have
Speaker 1: been so it's I'm not going to answer this line
Speaker 1: because I don't want it to be today, but I
Speaker 1: think the entire thing is just so heartbreaking and I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen. But I do know
Speaker 1: if you are a parent listening to this, don't let
Speaker 1: your kids have guns. There's absolutely no reason for it,
Speaker 1: because especially with the video games and all the things
Speaker 1: that kids are doing where they think they are saving
Speaker 1: the world. It creates this false persona and kids, and
Speaker 1: we've got to stop it because that it starts at home.
Speaker 1: And if you live in the middle of nowhere and
Speaker 1: your kid has a gun to go hunting, don't drive
Speaker 1: him to a giant protest out of state. And let's
Speaker 1: also you know, just in closing, I also think that
Speaker 1: you know there are emotions for mistrials and that the
Speaker 1: line of questioning during cross examination was being admonished by
Speaker 1: the judge, and I think I think they're trying to
Speaker 1: paint the picture that he did not kill these people
Speaker 1: in self defense, obviously, and I think what has happened
Speaker 1: is that he has a pretty good case at this
Speaker 1: point two. And I feel like we're going to have
Speaker 1: to once we get once, once it comes with, once
Speaker 1: the answer comes back, we're gonna have to talk about
Speaker 1: this again. Should we just make our predictions and then
Speaker 1: see who's right to see who's wrong? Not a fun game.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like we might all say the
Speaker 1: same thing, though, which makes it Where are you Dmitri?
Speaker 1: Here's what I think. I think. I do not think
Speaker 1: that that he should just get off completely self defense.
Speaker 1: You put yourself in that scenario. That's not a scenario
Speaker 1: you needed to be in and and unfortunately it went
Speaker 1: the way it went. So I don't think it's just
Speaker 1: cut and dry. I don't think it's like, well they
Speaker 1: attacked you, Well, you put yourself there with a gun.
Speaker 1: You're at home watching nov with your family. That doesn't happen,
Speaker 1: So you went there with a gun. Yeah. Sorry, things
Speaker 1: do happen that you don't expect. You're not in control
Speaker 1: of every situation. So if he's completely off on self defense,
Speaker 1: I will have a huge problem with that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think there's got to be somewhere in the middle. Do
Speaker 1: I think he, you know, went out and hopes to
Speaker 1: kill No? Do I think he tried? Yeah? I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't answer. I can't answer. I just need to wait. Okay,
Speaker 1: but should we get to our voicemails? We should. I
Speaker 1: also just wanted to pull focus back to something that
Speaker 1: I heard earlier that I wanted to just reiterate, um
Speaker 1: that Max has a girlfriend. Did you guys recall hearing that?
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't want to interrupt the emotion that
Speaker 1: he had, But when he said that, I saw your
Speaker 1: face kind of like I saw the entire thing. I
Speaker 1: was like looking I actually looked down on my phone
Speaker 1: to see if I could pull off texting you, Leah Summer.
Speaker 1: I was expectingly to be like, Okay, thank you, Max,
Speaker 1: thanks for your time today. I hope you get over
Speaker 1: your trauma. But you know he's really not my type, right, Well,
Speaker 1: why he's not a comedian or because he's like emotions,
Speaker 1: it's he lived in the apartment that they just say, okay,
Speaker 1: it seems like he has a bed frame and more
Speaker 1: than two pillows. Oh my goodness. So you guys, I
Speaker 1: think the biggest crime of today is knowing that Max
Speaker 1: has a girlfriend. I know, well, you're you're flirting with
Speaker 1: Max made us run over. So we can't even go
Speaker 1: to our first voicemail to cover the very good crime
Speaker 1: that is actually from my hometown. So we'll have to
Speaker 1: get into that next week. You guys, okay, but we
Speaker 1: don't want to discourage people from calling it because we
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Speaker 1: I say goodbye? No? No? Next next time? Next time, Dmitri,
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