1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to Real Time Crime. I'm 2 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: one of your hosts, Leo Lamar, and I have with 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: me our co hosts, Teddy Mellencamp. Hi, guys hi, And 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: of course we've got our producer who may or may 5 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: not be chiming in if we give him permission. Dmitri. Hello, Dmitri. 6 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: Is now one of those times, Oh no, you go, Dmitri, 7 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: al though, I just didn't give you permission, but please 8 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: wow he learned. Okay, good, all right, why are we 9 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: going to today? We're gonna be discussing Britney Spears, Travis Scott, 10 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse, and we've got a couple of call in 11 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: cases which we'll get to a little later. And first 12 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: i'd like to say welcome back to me. I just 13 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: got back from New York. Oh dear lord, how do 14 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: I think the real crime is that anyone lives there 15 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: and survives. I think the real crime is because you're 16 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: just returning from there, that we're doing a podcast when 17 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: it's dark out and normally I'm about to be in 18 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: my second rem cycle. You know, I know this is 19 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: kind of a weird thing to say, but I didn't 20 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: notice that you had a Widow's peak until you put 21 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: your hair up. You know what, it's not that common. 22 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: It's not Fran Drescher. There's just a couple of us. 23 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: One time somebody asked if I would get it if 24 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to get it waxed off when they were 25 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: doing my eyebrows, and I was like, you know what, 26 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to take offense to that, but I don't 27 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: imagine it growing in would look that great, So I'm 28 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: just gonna let it ride. Thank god. Cute. Yeah, you, 29 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: Fran Drescher and Dracula are the only three people like 30 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: that happened. It doesn't like any monster have one too. 31 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it's all good company, it's all. I mean, 32 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: it's more than Dmitri hilarious. Well you could maybe you 33 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: had one. We don't know. This is a cold case 34 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: right here. All right, guys, we have to focus because 35 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: I am so deep down the obsession. When it comes 36 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: to the correlation between Travis Scott and Britney Spears, do 37 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: you guys happen to know what that is? Um? Both 38 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: of them have received flowers from Christian Jenner. No, they 39 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: both have been made that up? They out right? That 40 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: did sound right? No, both of them have ties to 41 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: Lou Taylor Detective Teddy. I am you know, I've I've 42 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 1: gone so deep in regards to falling. There's someone named 43 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: house Inhabit on Instagram. You guys should follow us. I 44 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: am obsessed with her account, so now you can't even 45 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,839 Speaker 1: I can't even search her and find her. I can 46 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: only find her through our old d M s and 47 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 1: then I can click through it. So something's going on here, 48 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: and I've noticed that a lot of people haven't really 49 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: been talking about it. I feel like TikTok has been 50 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: popping off about Travis Scott, but not necessarily Instagram. Is 51 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: that does that feel true? That does feel true? And 52 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: the couple of people that have talked about it on 53 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: Instagram have been shadow band. But I know we've got 54 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: to wait. We're gonna have somebody that actually attended the 55 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: Travis Scott concert or he's going to be on with us, 56 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: so we should probably talk a little bit more about 57 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: the updates on Brittany. My favorite thing was that you 58 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: were like, you, guys, we have to focus, and then 59 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: you immediately were like, let's talk about two cases at 60 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: the same time. But Brittany seems to be very thrilled 61 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: that the can servitorship is over. She's very excited for 62 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: her lawyer that he stepped in and did this. I 63 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: also just I'm worried too. Well, before you voice your concerns, 64 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: which are already valid, I would like to say that 65 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: I was so saddened by the headline that said she 66 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: enjoyed her first glass of champagne. I know every single movement, 67 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: every moment in her life has been watched and monitored. 68 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: She's basically been living in a fish bowl. She has 69 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: been elaborate and as someone who was, you know, essentially 70 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: robbed of a regular childhood like a lot of child 71 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: actors and child stars are, she was then robbed of 72 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: an adulthood and she was infantilized. And I think the 73 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: hashtag free Brittany movement really took off from social media. 74 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: That is an example of a case where hashtag went 75 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: viral and brought the awareness of what was going on 76 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: to the greater good. Because the greater good well, honestly, yeah, 77 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: because fans really helped make this happen. And it's so 78 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: interesting to watch because I remember hearing that Brittany was 79 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: really quietly trying to handle it herself. She was not 80 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: trying to cause a commotion, and it was really the 81 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: general public that stirred up this whole tragedy that was 82 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: happening in her life. Jamie Spears was getting sixteen thousand 83 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: dollars a month. What about it? I mean, I think 84 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: we can all agree is enough to you know, live 85 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: very comfortably. Yeah, but I'm also going to buy a 86 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: Ben's on it in the first paycheck. But but also 87 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: what kind of blew me aways? You know, we had 88 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: all been talking about Jamie Spears, that had been like 89 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: the main focus. But then when Brittany did her post 90 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: where she said like it was actually all my mom. 91 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: My mom was the one that came up with all 92 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: of this, and you know, she's the real, the real 93 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: problem here. And my dad wasn't smart enough to even 94 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: come up with this. And you know, you want to 95 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: hope that at the beginning of all of this they 96 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: felt that in his soul. Yeah, I'm sure sure he 97 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: felt that gut punch you my dad's too much of 98 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: a ding dong to have thought about robbing me of 99 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: my money. When my kids say that, I definitely feel it. 100 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: I feel every job my kids always say. But I 101 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: think that it's so you want to hope that at 102 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: the beginning of the conservatorship that when they decided to 103 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: do that, it really was to protect Brighton, and it 104 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 1: just spiral and then people got greedy, and then people 105 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: got out of control and really took advantage of her. 106 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: But I think that the fact that Matthew Rosengart was 107 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: able to do this and then but he keeps talking 108 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: about a safety net that has been provid. Yes, so 109 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: what exactly is that. I think what that means is 110 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: that it goes into her trust, so that there's a 111 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: certain amount of money she still can't access for a 112 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 1: certain period of time. I believe this to be true. 113 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: It may not be true. We will have to confirm later. 114 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,559 Speaker 1: Unless to me, Dmitri is nodding silently like he thinks 115 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: that I'm correct as well. But essentially I think that 116 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: I do that all the time. Though, But I did see, 117 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: I did see everything about a trust and the money 118 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: goes to trust. So I think that I think you're right. 119 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: That is the safety net. Yeah, just to make sure 120 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: that she doesn't go buck wild and just blow it 121 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: all on something ridiculous. I wasn't allowed to buy sketchers 122 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: or sushi more than one time a week when she 123 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: let you guys know, well, they were just stopping her 124 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: from getting mercury poisoning like everyone else in l A. 125 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: But I just want to let you guys know that 126 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: Britney Spears has been my icon for as long as 127 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: I can rem remember, for as long as I can remember. 128 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: I'm gone and I have to quit comedy now. I'm 129 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: so sorry. But my childhood bedroom was covered in wall 130 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: to wall photos, floor to ceiling photos, inside of closet, 131 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: door photos, locker photos, anything you could think of with 132 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: Brittany on it. And I will be humble to show 133 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: you a photo of my childhood bedroom. Maybe I'll just 134 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: send that to you guys after and let's just do 135 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: a little insert to show the insanity to which I 136 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: loved her. I always thought I was going to grow 137 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: up to be a Jewish Britney Spears close now you 138 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: host a true time podcast, and so I mean I 139 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: I was just really hoping that a man that I 140 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: don't love watches my every move as well. But it 141 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: hasn't come to fruition for me yet. You know, she's 142 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: trying to get out of a conservatorship. I'm trying to 143 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: get into one. It's it's one's game at this point. 144 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: But I adore her and I'm just so happy to 145 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: see what she does with her freedom. I hope that 146 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: she continues to perform and create. But I remember reading 147 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: a headline a couple of months ago in an article 148 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: about how she said she needed to just live her 149 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: life and take some time off. And who knows where 150 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: she's a mentally, But I am looking forward to seeing 151 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: what she does with her life now that she's totally 152 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: free to do as she pleases. Um, I do too, 153 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: and I think that I hope that there's so many 154 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: exciting things to come, and I hope that she's feeling 155 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: good and that she's you know, she's engaged. She's got 156 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: so many positive things ahead of her. Sam is so hot, hot, 157 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: and I think I saw that he's cast in another 158 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: new movie. So him, you're no good for him. Um. 159 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: But we do have to take a little break because 160 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: we have Max, who was at Astro World, coming in 161 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: to join us. Okay, so we're gonna be talking about 162 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: Travis Scott next. Stay tuned, we will b RB. Yeah. 163 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to Real Time Crime. It's 164 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: me Lee Lamar Teddy Mellencamp and Dmitri and we are 165 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: very excited to speak to our next guest, Max Byrne, 166 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: who was actually at the Astro World festival. As you know, 167 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: that's where Travis Scott was performing and where a tragedy occurred. 168 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: And so far nine deaths have happened. It's actually ten 169 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: deaths as of today. Now. It's heartbreaking. It is a 170 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: his name is Ezra Blown and I think he's ten 171 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: years old. He was there with his dad. It's so heartbreaking. 172 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: He was on his dad's shoulders far back, and it's 173 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: they purposely to and go up to the front because 174 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: they wanted to avoid the chaos. Yeah, and so I 175 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: just think the number is going to keep rising. But 176 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: yes we should. We should bring Max and and talk 177 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: to him about his experiences and and kind of go 178 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: from there. All right, well let's bring Max in. I'm 179 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: looking forward to hearing his perspective on what happened on 180 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: the ground. Hi guys, Hi, all right, can when you 181 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: talk to us a little bit about Astro World please? Yeah, 182 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you have any specific questions or anything? 183 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: Like I just wanted first here, like as you're walking 184 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: in your immediate reaction to what you saw, what you witnessed, 185 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: what time you got there. That that beginning part. So 186 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: I went out to Astro World on kind of like 187 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: a bachelor party kind of thing. My friends getting married 188 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: soon and he's a big Travis Scott fan. So we 189 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: all flew out to Houston and the first day we 190 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: show up kind of midday and catch Don Toliver, who 191 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: was like an artist or two before Travis Scott, and 192 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: coming into the grounds, we it seems like a regular festival, 193 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: you know. Um there was security at the gate and 194 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: everything like that, and we passed through COVID checks. It 195 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 1: felt safe. But once Don Tuliver, who was another Houston rappers, started, 196 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: that's when you started realizing, Oh, it's like it's kind 197 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: of crazy here. Like you get so jammed up in 198 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: this crowd, you're like sardines. You know. I'm sure you 199 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: guys have been to shows too like that. Um, Dmitri 200 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: never No, I'm okay, okay, um, but yeah, so uh 201 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: so Don Tlver was the first rapper that we realized like, oh, 202 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: like the crowd is kind of crazy, but maybe we 203 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: just haven't been to a show for a while because 204 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: it's been covid Um. But then a few hours later 205 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: Scincessus finishing up and then we're working our way over 206 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: to the other stage to go see Travis, and there's 207 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: a huge crowd, and then once he goes on, everyone 208 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: starts rushing, trying to get as close to is they 209 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: can to the stage, you know, And once again it 210 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: still felt fine. But as the night went on, it's 211 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: just you get more and more jam packed, and we're 212 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: about like thirty ft away from the stage. And at 213 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: one point, once I realized something was going wrong, is 214 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: Drake came out, which was amazing, and and then I 215 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: but I looked at my right while they're performing Way 216 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: Too Sexy, which is like one of Drake's big songs, 217 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: the Future, and there's two guys getting CPR done next 218 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: to us, like this out cold, and and then and 219 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: then I just started realizing there's something going on, Like 220 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: there's like unconscious people being crowd surf out by us, 221 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: people trying to get out like they're two. They're stressing 222 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: out in the crowd and some people I can't breathe 223 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: and things like that, and um, yeah, I mean I 224 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: think that's the image that just burned in my mind 225 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: is just I heard chanting of like, please stop the show, 226 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: please stop the show, that kind of thing. And then 227 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: we look over and there's two guys are just like 228 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they died, to be honest, next to us, 229 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: and just seeing them trying to get resuscitated while the 230 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: show's still going. And then we see like an ambulance 231 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: trying to go through the crowd. Um And at one 232 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: point Travis stopped the show once or twice, but there's 233 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: a there's this kind of eerie video where he's looking 234 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: out in the crowd and sees this dude who's like 235 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: unconscious being crowdsurfed out, and he's standing there and then 236 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: he just like starts the next song. And I don't know, 237 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: I mean, people are seeing it from all kinds of 238 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: different angles, but I'm sure you guys are kept up 239 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: with the news. I mean, there's more and more people 240 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: that are dying from the event. A nine year old 241 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: died recently, which is tragic, and I think it there's 242 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: a lot of things involved with it, but I think 243 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: the big problem with the event is just the layout 244 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: of the stage and having fifty people just crushing in 245 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: on a stage, and then the medical staff not being 246 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: able to get in there fast enough, the security guards 247 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: not being able to stop the crunch. Everyone's hearing about um, 248 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: and wasn't it didn't he tweet out like break through 249 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: the barricades, come in, And I mean he was also 250 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: arrested for that in two thousand and fifteen and in 251 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen for saying similar things, one time 252 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: at Astro World itself and the other time at Lollapalooza. 253 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: So this has been a common occurrence. Well, that's kind 254 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: of like with his branding, like all of his fans, 255 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: like he calls him ragers and things like that. I've 256 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: I've been to one of his shows when he was 257 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: first at the Observatory, so I've kind of seen it 258 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: from like when he was smaller to now. It's just 259 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: so crazy, And that's always been kind of like a 260 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: thing with his branding. It's almost like a punk rock band, 261 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: but for rappers. You know, people, if that's your branding, fine, 262 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: but then somebody that whoever puts on this event has 263 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: to be prepared to speak to the stage or something, 264 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: because let's listen, I'm not defending one way or the other. 265 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: If people are chanting, maybe he doesn't hear what they're chanting. 266 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't know why an artist doesn't just stop 267 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: the show because people are chanting stuff the show. But 268 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: if that's the brand of that stuff that's happened in 269 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: the past, they should be prepared for that kind of 270 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: ship exactly. And and I was looking. I just did 271 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: like a deep dive on Twitter and TikTok, and I 272 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: saw this one. E MT posted a few videos and 273 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: he was talking about he he at the end of 274 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: his uh you know, response to the event, was blaming 275 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: the crowd for just being too rowdy. But in the 276 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: same video, he also said that the walkie talkies weren't 277 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: working properly, the music was too loud so they couldn't 278 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: hear the calls for backup. And while he was going 279 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: into to the crowd to go and help people, he 280 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,479 Speaker 1: was coming up on multiple other people who needed CPR 281 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: to get rushed out on the stretcher and they didn't 282 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: have enough stretchers and things like that, at least from 283 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: his account. And I mean not to make this about 284 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: personal experience, but I my dad is a musician. His 285 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: name's John Mellencamp, and he was on tour with Bob 286 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: Dylan once and I when I watched my dad, I 287 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: used to always sit on this one and like soundbox, 288 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of far away. Just that was like the 289 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: place we always sat his kids, so he could look 290 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: over and see us. However, we stayed there when Bob 291 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: Dylan came on, and it was far away from where 292 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: he was, and within seven minutes of his show starting, 293 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: security had come over to us and said, hey, um, 294 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: you're making him nervous sitting there. You hop down. And 295 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: so I think that people are very aware of what's 296 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: going on in front of them, Like it's not like 297 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: you can't see anything. Like that's the part that really 298 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: confuses me. Like you see, you see an ambulance, you 299 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: see somebody come onto the stage and say something to 300 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: him and him tell him to stop. And then we 301 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: know that Live Nation was alerted. And then they played 302 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: for thirty seven more minutes allegedly, and then went to 303 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: an after party, and then went to an after party 304 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: closted by Drake alleged. Allegedly, they had no idea. Max. 305 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: From your perspective, do you feel like it's possible that 306 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: he had no clue? I don't see how he wouldn't 307 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: know that there was something wrong going on. I think 308 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: a lot like possibly he just like our group, we 309 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: didn't realize how bad it was until we got back 310 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: and started reading stories, like we thought, like seeing those 311 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: guys getting CPR done next to us, I was like, oh, 312 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: like hopefully they survived, Like I don't really know what 313 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,959 Speaker 1: happened there, Like maybe that was just you know, the 314 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: emergency event of the night, like the only one. But 315 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: then you read these other stories and then you read 316 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: about this crunch that was supposedly like right on the stage, 317 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: and it's like, how would you not see that while 318 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: you're performing? Right? Is is is that kind of what you're saying, Teddy, 319 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like, as a performer, your job 320 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: is to relate to the crowd, to make the crowd 321 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: feel like you're all together, to you know, make that 322 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: eye contact that could maybe feel like you change somebody's 323 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: life or whatever it may be. But that also involves safety. 324 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: I mean I even watched the video of Asap Rocky 325 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: where he saw something going on and he was like 326 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: stop it now, you know, like screaming at people. We 327 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: see now countless musicians having to stop it at you 328 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: know the time. But the part that makes me sad, 329 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: or the part that makes me even more worried is 330 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: like it is as if violence is encouraged because that's 331 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: what makes money. And then the collaboration with better help 332 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: to anybody was involved saying that you know, he'll provide 333 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: one month of therapy, as if you're in this huge tragedy, 334 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: that one month of therapy is going to do the track. Yeah, 335 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: I mean there's definitely PTSD from the event with people. 336 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I have like a touch 337 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: of it. And then one of my friends, I believe 338 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: from his story, he said like when he was because 339 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: he we got split off from our group, and he 340 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: said that he saw a golf card go by with 341 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: this body on that was just like blew in the face. 342 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: And I'm sure that that does something to you when 343 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: you see that. You know, when you pay for a show, 344 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: you don't expect to go get traumatized. There's the whole. Also, Max, 345 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: you did use the phrase burned into my memory. Yeah, 346 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 1: so I saw you. I clocked that immediately and I 347 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: was like, oh no, you know. I mean also one 348 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: month of therapy is I mean, that's like a that's 349 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: in my opinion, a big fu because what is one 350 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: month that's like it doesn't make the problem go away. 351 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: It's almost like an empty gesture in my opinion. But 352 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: and I wasn't there, but when I read the story 353 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: about the dad and the nine year old dad got 354 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: knocked out and he couldn't find his son and then 355 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: they finally found him in the hospital. Now sadly he's 356 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: passed away. Like I I have PTSD from that just 357 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: from reading that, like people that were there that were 358 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: part of that, like that's and then also the girl 359 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: who they showed on the stretcher and then they dropped 360 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: her and now that woman is another one has passed 361 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: away and you see her crying parents. I mean, I 362 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: think you have to hope that when you were going 363 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: to a festival and you're going to the con sert, 364 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: like your your safety shouldn't be the biggest problem. That's 365 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: never been even a thought in my mind to think 366 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: about my safety when I buy a ticket to somewhere, 367 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: and now I feel like it has to be for 368 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: a lot of people. You know, And I have to 369 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: ask you a question, was there like a loud so 370 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: a lot of the conspiracy conspiracy theorist that who knows 371 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: if that's what they are have been talking about something 372 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: like a sound torture when you've arrived. Was there like 373 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: a screeching loud noise like a death whistle, super high 374 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: frequency noises? I don't necessarily, I don't know what a 375 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: death whistle sounds like, but it's probably good. But if 376 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: you ever met Voldemort? Okay, no, not yet. But they 377 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: were playing like weird e d M music at a stage, 378 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: and maybe that's what people are describing like it was 379 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: literally like really eerie, like almost like trance like e 380 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: d M, like some high pitch beats and stuff like that, 381 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: which seem kind of weird to me because it's a 382 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: rap show where there are a lot of dogs going 383 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: crazy in the background. I don't know, but I don't know. 384 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: I'm really interested, though, Like Teddy, have you talked to 385 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: your dad about this at all, like and got his 386 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: standpoint on safety and like what went down? I haven't 387 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: talked to him about it solely because you know, I'm 388 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: like a high anxiety person. My dad also has anxiety, 389 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: and I feel like something like this would really you know, 390 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: like he has his certain things when he goes on stage. 391 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: He's very aware. He has like certain routines he follows 392 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: before he starts. He also has like really high security, 393 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 1: and I think that that's something that also I've heard 394 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: about at this festival that it was the security was 395 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: there was not enough. I mean, yeah, I feel like 396 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: the security was a bit of a joke because I mean, 397 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: you guys have what you were talking about, Um, how 398 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: he encourages you know, encourages violence or to break the 399 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: goods and things like that. Almost in every show he has, 400 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: like fans just rushed the security and just pushed through, 401 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: and there's a bunch of videos of it, and it's 402 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: just crazy, Like the security legit got overwhelmed. And it's 403 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: supposed to be like a COVID safe event too, right, 404 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: So there goes that. And did they ask you to 405 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: see like your PCR test? Yeah, so they were following those, yeah, 406 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: vaxxcards and uh COVID tests. Yeah. But did you see 407 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: people breaking down the fence to get in without checking 408 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: in through the proper channels? No? No, it was all 409 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: fine when I walked in, But I think that happened 410 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: as the day went on and it got closer to 411 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: Travis's you know, did you see any sort of acknowledgement 412 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: from Travis of inciting violence, and we know his lyrics. 413 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: You know, there's a song Stargazer that was in where 414 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: one of the lyrics was it ain't a mosh pit, 415 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: if ain't no injuries. Do you feel like he was 416 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: encouraging it at all from the stage that night? I 417 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: also know and have heard that the stage looked and 418 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: felt dem on it. Did you also feel that way 419 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: with the cross going into a tunnel of hell? From 420 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: what everyone was saying and describing it as Okay, No, 421 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: I did not really catch onto the whole demonic tones 422 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: that everyone's talking about, Like my sister went down the 423 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: whole rabbit hole and sent me so many photos and 424 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: things about that. But I can see where it comes from, 425 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: and I almost feel like he pokes fun at it 426 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: or there might be something going on there like he does. 427 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: It does have like some demonic or dark undertones to 428 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: his marketing the stage design um. But yeah, in terms 429 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: of inciting violence, I don't think there was really like 430 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: a specific moment where he did it that night, but 431 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: there are videos of him, you know, like there was 432 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: there's one video on YouTube where someone tried to steal 433 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: a shoe and then he commanded the whole audience to 434 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: beat the ship out of the guy in front of him. Yeah. Like, 435 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: I mean, so, where do you guys stand now when 436 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: it comes to festivals, when it comes to bringing your 437 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: I mean taking your kids to the things. Like I 438 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: you would think that you were going to tend and 439 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: it's gonna be okay. So now that since you've been there, 440 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: I know you don't have kids, but what would you 441 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: say your comfort level is ongoing again. I mean, I 442 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: feel like Astro World's out the books in the future. 443 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: But we my girlfriend and I we've never been to Coachella, 444 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: so that was on our list this year. But now 445 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: I kind of want to think twice about it. But 446 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: at the same time, I mean, the night that I 447 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: was hearing about all the accidents in the medical emergencies 448 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: from Astro World, I was looking up other festivals and 449 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: it's maybe one death happens in like ten years, right, 450 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: I like Coachella. That's kind of what I was reading 451 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: up on. Is that sound right? Well? I was reading 452 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: up on that too, and I saw something which I 453 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: guess and his most and Travis Scott's most recent video. 454 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: He was wearing a pearl jam uh concert t And 455 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: the last time that there was like mass deaths was 456 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: at a Pearl jam. Uh why am I blak festival? 457 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: Like what however many years ago? So it's people are saying, 458 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: was this some sort of past reference on knowing that 459 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: this happened? And it's just I don't know. There's just 460 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: so many things that just make me really concerned about 461 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: my kids, really concerned about sending my kids to something, 462 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: because especially the older I get, the less I know 463 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: about the different artists that they're into and what they 464 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: promote and things like that, what they're into. There was 465 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: also conspiracy around the fact that people were being injected 466 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: with some sort of chemical that was creating I mean, 467 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: from what I was hearing, there were so many people 468 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: going into cardiac arrest. Yeah, and so do you think 469 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: that there's some truth to that? I Mean my first 470 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: thought when I heard about them calling it a mass 471 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: casualty event and the deaths and thinking about the people 472 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: next to us that needed CPR, I was like, well, 473 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: the I felt like we were squeezed together and like 474 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: our for example, but it wasn't where I couldn't breathe. 475 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: So I'm like, man, were those two people next to us, 476 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: like did they get a bad batch of drugs? Like 477 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: you hear a lot about fent at all and that 478 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: stuff happening, um, and then you hear this rumor about 479 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: the injections And I don't know if that was like 480 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: made up by the event to try to take off 481 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: some of that blame or anything like that. But I mean, 482 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. The only the only time I ever 483 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: heard about that was on the news and then supposedly 484 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: a security guard got injected, but now the yeah, it wasn't. 485 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: So I don't really know what to make of that. Now. 486 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: I hope that's not true. That's really scary, um. But yeah, no, 487 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: I I didn't have any experience running in with anything 488 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: like that. I mean, I also think something strange that 489 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: I heard, And maybe this is regular protocol because they 490 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: don't want to incite further panic, But the way that 491 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: they were speaking about people who were passed out on 492 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: the floor or any sort of person that needed help 493 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: was by calling them a smurf on their radio system. 494 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: And I found that even oddly disturbing. Right for to 495 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: use the word smurf as a code word for someone 496 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: who may be dead. Yeah, I have no clue I mean, 497 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: I feel like that just goes hand in hand with 498 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: the medicals. I honestly feel like the medical staff just 499 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: wasn't equipped the handle of the event properly. That like, 500 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: I feel like that's one of the biggest issues. And 501 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: not only that, but they didn't have like the proper 502 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: channeling to get through the audience in an efficient way. Um. 503 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: But now I don't really know the smurf thing though, 504 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: It's just it just sounds weird. Well, you could also 505 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: see the guy standing up on the ledge, the guy 506 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: there was a guy and a girl standing up with 507 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: somebody video and just like screaming they're dead, They're dead. Stop. 508 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: And the cameraman video right yeah, with the cameraman video. 509 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's there's so many different things that you 510 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: see and it's it's so disturbing. UM. Just is our 511 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: final like question for you before we take a break. 512 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: How are you actually feeling? Um? I don't know. I 513 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: feel like I get uh. I would say the first 514 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: day after we tried to act like everything was fine, 515 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: but I feel like as we thought about like what 516 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: happened and thinking about the people next to us, I 517 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: talked about the whole image burned in my head with 518 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: the people getting CPR next to us and things like that, 519 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: walking like coming back from the trip once we touched down, 520 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: kind of started thinking like, I mean, I'm definitely gonna 521 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: have to deal with something from that, Like mentally, I 522 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: feel like just because it's like like you said, it's 523 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: kind of stuck in my head now, you know, like 524 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: more than one three month of yeah, well, well I 525 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: think shock, and then it's trauma, and then it's having 526 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: to process it shock trauma, anger. I mean, I had 527 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: a whole day where I was just really frustrated, like 528 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: and just trying to think of what could be the 529 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: solution for this, you know. Um. And then I also 530 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: I was talking to my mom about the whole story, 531 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: and then we were talking for a while about it 532 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: and I ended up crying a little bit just because 533 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: I just you almost feel like a little bit of 534 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: survivors gill. Like I've heard that that um term before, 535 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: and like obviously it's not like not everyone was dying 536 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: around us, you know, but you almost feel bad like, wow, 537 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: people so close to us, like literally feet away from us, 538 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: died and then we came back from the event. Fine, Um, 539 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: but I don't I don't know that there's a lot 540 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: of thoughts going on in my mind about the whole thing, 541 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: but I think it's getting better as time goes by. 542 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: But well, we appreciate you coming on and sharing with 543 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: us and talking to us about this, and we wish 544 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: you the best, and we hope that we can we 545 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: can talk to you soon under other circumstances. I mean, 546 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: that sounds good. Thanks. Thanks for being so vulnerable and 547 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: open and honest. We hope you feel better soon. I 548 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks, guys, It's a pleasure by Max. I 549 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: do all right, Teddy Dmitri. I think it's best if 550 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: we take a quick break and we'll come right back. 551 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: All right, everyone, welcome back to Real Time Crime. It's 552 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: us your favorite true crime comedy Maniacs. Oh my gosh, 553 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: hey guys, welcome back to to Brunettes and the bald Um. 554 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,959 Speaker 1: I yeah, we were just talking off the air quickly 555 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: about how I was supposed be in Houston that weekend, 556 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: and it just that was very dark. I'm still feeling 557 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: that conversation that we had. I know, right when we 558 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: asked him how he was feeling, and then you could 559 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: see his demeanor shift. I was like, my heart I 560 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: know there's so I mean, think about it, there's over 561 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: fifty you know, over fifty thou people that were there 562 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: that feel that same way he does. This isn't this 563 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: isn't the ten people that have passed away. This is 564 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: so much more too. So it's just Travis Scott was 565 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people therapy also, you know, not to 566 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: try to compare myself at all to um the level 567 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: of Travis Scott or any you know, wherever he's at. 568 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,959 Speaker 1: But it's interesting because when you're on a stage and 569 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: the light is just on you, you can still see, 570 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: you can still see. And if people started charging the stage. 571 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: You know, I was playing the Cosmopolitan in Vegas, which 572 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: is around three thousand seat theater. If people started charging 573 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: the stage, I would get uncomfortable. But he's asking for it. 574 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: That's the difference. The differences. You don't you don't feel like, oh, 575 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: these people are beating up on each other. For me, 576 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: you don't have that weird. I don't even know what 577 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: to call him. He has a comfortability with violence, and 578 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: that is terrifying to me. And people are showing what 579 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: type of fans they are by the more violence they 580 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: can create. I prefer fans that um are too tired 581 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: to stand up. You'd prefer fans that you know, we'll 582 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: give you laughs at your jokes or even half laughs 583 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: from that. Yeah, they're too tired to laugh. They're too tired. 584 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: It's just they can't get up. Um. All right, I 585 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: think it's time for us to pivot over to our boy, 586 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse. Oh boy, So, I think everyone has kind 587 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: of been waiting for this trial for a while now, 588 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: And just for anyone who may not know what's happening, 589 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: here a quick summary. Kyle Rittenhouse was the r Illinois 590 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: teenager who killed two people and wounded another during unresting Kenosha, Wisconsin, 591 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: last summer. He went on trial Monday on homicide charges. 592 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: He's now eighteen, and he's accused of fatally shooting Anthony 593 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: Huber who's twenty six, Joseph Rosenbaum is thirty six, and 594 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 1: wounding Gauge Gross Skurts, who's twenty seven. And I mean, 595 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 1: we're still getting in real time news about this case 596 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,919 Speaker 1: and about how the court proceedings are going. And I mean, 597 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: feel free to jump right in at any point, but 598 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: I think we can all agree there there are a 599 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 1: couple of angles here that are disturbing. First of all, 600 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: Judge Schroeder seems to be losing it a little bit. 601 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: He a Teddy sent us a video because Teddy is 602 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: a incredible detective. She found this video of Schroeder just 603 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: losing his SOT mid sentence and then trying to somehow 604 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: come out of it with a talking about sentencing someone 605 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: to to life for murder. And I was like, I 606 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: lost myself there for a second. I'm like, you're not 607 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 1: in the real time crime pod when like move for 608 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: the comedy store. But this is not this is not 609 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: the time. I mean, I think, first and foremost, for me, 610 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: kids should not have accessibility to semi automatic rifles. They 611 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: just shouldn't and it really infuriates me. But also as 612 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: I was doing my research on him, and you know, yes, 613 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:41,919 Speaker 1: the judge being a hot mess, but every witness that 614 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: hit the now I'm blanking now, I'm like the judge 615 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: the stand. Every witness that went onto the stand, including Gauge, 616 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: one of the people shot, turned into a defense witness, 617 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: which was surprising, which I had never read anything about 618 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: before until I started really listening. He said, listen, you 619 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: know we were coming at him, and I pointed my 620 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: rifle at him, and that's why he shot right. And 621 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,439 Speaker 1: I think no one in their right mind ever thought 622 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: that this would turn into a self defense case, especially 623 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,919 Speaker 1: because he walked out of his house wearing backwards hat. 624 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: That's pretty casual in my opinion. You know, Dmitri, you 625 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: should go pretend to be a policeman, Like, don't go 626 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: there with that, like it's it's it's it's not for 627 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: you to do. It's not your job. And you know, 628 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: you go back and you see that. You know, a 629 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: while ago he had made a comment about a like 630 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: on a Facebook past when CVS had been robbed, and 631 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: he said like, oh I wish I could get and 632 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: I wish I had my gun then and I would 633 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 1: have taken care of that. Um. So you know he's 634 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: going in, you know, thinking to to protect whatever is 635 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: being looted. But it's just the amount of catastrophe that 636 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: comes after it is worse than the looting. Well, Rosenbaum 637 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: apparently was completely unarmed and through what they allegedly think 638 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: is a plastic bag at him and then written house 639 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: shot him. And then he immediately called someone and said 640 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: I just killed somebody. Well, so one of them also 641 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: hit him with a skateboard on the head. That was 642 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 1: the second. Yeah, there was I think that was Huber. Okay, well, 643 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: you stay home, you don't get hit with a skateboard 644 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: in the head. But it doesn't mean that because you 645 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: own a gun that you show up and and and 646 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: all of a sudden to take the place of like 647 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: the in charge commando. Like that's insane. Well also, he 648 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: left the scene still armed and walked towards police officers 649 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: with his hands up, but the police just passed him 650 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: by without arresting him. He did turn himself in the 651 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,720 Speaker 1: next day. I mean, I think there were multiple people 652 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: as far as I've seen, that had guns. But that 653 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: also makes me question why you're not. I mean because 654 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: I was looking at the different laws in the different 655 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: states on how old you have to be to have 656 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: a gun, and there's all these like, oh, you don't 657 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: even have to be with a parent if you're hunting, 658 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: but like you could be twelve years old in some 659 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 1: states and have a gun as long as you're hunting, 660 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: you know. But it's I just think, but the fact 661 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 1: that you can't even drive it, like all the other 662 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: things that you can't do without a parent until a 663 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: certain age. But a gun is okay, it's so it's 664 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: too accessible. You could buy a gun at Walmart, that's 665 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: how easy it is to get them. And rifle, I mean, 666 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: what civilians should not have access to assault rifles, especially 667 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: he's under eighteen. I think that takes the Second Amendment 668 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: a little far. And someone who's not even trained to 669 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: do such a thing making it there. He was given 670 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: a bottle of water from the police. Um at one 671 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 1: point before that. If this this a whole this whole 672 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: thing is a huge mix up. Now I want to 673 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: ask you, guys, what did you think about his I 674 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 1: almost had performance but whatever when he was on the stand, 675 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: when he was sobbing and having a mental breakdown and 676 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: will not mental breakdown, well, I mean been there, done that. 677 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: But um yeah, I mean he's a better actor than 678 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: most people in Hollywood. I I don't know. I I 679 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: think that he probably does feel terribly. I think that 680 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't excuse what he did, but I think that 681 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: he probably he I mean, he is a kid, and 682 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: he acted poorly, and you have to also, you know, 683 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: he regardless of what happens, that was a crime. And 684 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: I think that if you are a kid, that you 685 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: think it's okay that you can have a gun and 686 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,879 Speaker 1: go out and take matters into your own hands. That 687 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: comes with how you were raised. And I don't know, 688 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: I just I don't think it comes out of nowhere. 689 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: This case is really heartbreaking to me because I don't 690 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: think this was one of those situations where he sought 691 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: out to go kill people, but he brought it a 692 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: gun with him. I think that was I mean, that 693 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 1: was what the group was doing to protect that. I 694 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: think that he originally thought that he was going to 695 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: use the gun not to shoot people. But I don't know. 696 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,959 Speaker 1: I really don't, but I you know what I think. 697 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: I think in my opinion, you know, it almost like 698 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: takes me back to Brian Laundry, thinking about someone who's 699 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: too much of a coward too take accountability and go 700 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: to the police and say this is what I've done. 701 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,840 Speaker 1: And so for Kyle Writtenhouse to turn himself in, I 702 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 1: don't want to say, oh, that's so big of him, 703 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 1: but it shows and it shows remorse, and you know, 704 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: I think that, yes, he should have never had that gun. 705 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,959 Speaker 1: Yes he should have never thought he could do any 706 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,760 Speaker 1: of it. That being said, it could have potentially happened 707 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: because people were coming at him and he felt what 708 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: they continued to say on one of the things that 709 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: I was reading, not that this makes it okay, but 710 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: that all three people that were shot were convicted felons, 711 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 1: one was a child molester, one like these weren't necessarily 712 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: good guys. And then what ended up happening in the 713 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: media was because this was all during BLM, everybody was 714 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: calling him a white supremacist, but all three people that 715 00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 1: were shot were white, just well, and and so that 716 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: that is something that I think can be askewed because 717 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,839 Speaker 1: that you know, he wasn't. It does not make it 718 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,399 Speaker 1: okay that they were falons, but it makes it clear 719 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: that in the media things can be skewed to not 720 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,320 Speaker 1: get the proper information out there. Maybe his mom should 721 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: not have given him a ride to go there with 722 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: his gun, maybe, right, Yeah, I mean it's also interesting 723 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 1: because I I mentally can't put myself in their shoes. 724 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: I always try to see the other side's perspective, and 725 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 1: in this perspective, you know, I'm trying to think, maybe, 726 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,399 Speaker 1: you know, she really thought they were doing the right thing, 727 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: and that looks different to different people. You know, That's 728 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 1: not how I would respond to the situation. But I 729 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 1: can't put my po V on every single person. You know, 730 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,800 Speaker 1: in the third person written how shot gauge gross crits. 731 00:42:54,840 --> 00:43:00,879 Speaker 1: He survived, and he testified on Monday that it wasn't 732 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:06,399 Speaker 1: until he pointed his own gun at ritten house that 733 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 1: he fired. And so, I mean he had a glock 734 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 1: nineteen and he pointed it at a young boy and 735 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,840 Speaker 1: so it was on the ground, and his self defense 736 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 1: case is looking pretty real at that point. Well, with 737 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 1: closing statements beginning Monday, where do you think it's headed. 738 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 1: I think he is going to win. I think it's 739 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: I think it might be marked up to self defense 740 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: as I don't know though, I mean I was wrong 741 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: one other time. I I don't know that I have 742 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: been so it's I'm not going to answer this line 743 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 1: because I don't want it to be today, but I 744 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 1: think the entire thing is just so heartbreaking and I 745 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen. But I do know 746 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,239 Speaker 1: if you are a parent listening to this, don't let 747 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: your kids have guns. There's absolutely no reason for it, 748 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 1: because especially with the video games and all the things 749 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,280 Speaker 1: that kids are doing where they think they are saving 750 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:15,439 Speaker 1: the world. It creates this false persona and kids, and 751 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: we've got to stop it because that it starts at home. 752 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: And if you live in the middle of nowhere and 753 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: your kid has a gun to go hunting, don't drive 754 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 1: him to a giant protest out of state. And let's 755 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: also you know, just in closing, I also think that 756 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,840 Speaker 1: you know there are emotions for mistrials and that the 757 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 1: line of questioning during cross examination was being admonished by 758 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 1: the judge, and I think I think they're trying to 759 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: paint the picture that he did not kill these people 760 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:56,440 Speaker 1: in self defense, obviously, and I think what has happened 761 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: is that he has a pretty good case at this 762 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 1: point two. And I feel like we're going to have 763 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: to once we get once, once it comes with, once 764 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: the answer comes back, we're gonna have to talk about 765 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: this again. Should we just make our predictions and then 766 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 1: see who's right to see who's wrong? Not a fun game. 767 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like we might all say the 768 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,680 Speaker 1: same thing, though, which makes it Where are you Dmitri? 769 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 1: Here's what I think. I think. I do not think 770 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,320 Speaker 1: that that he should just get off completely self defense. 771 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 1: You put yourself in that scenario. That's not a scenario 772 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 1: you needed to be in and and unfortunately it went 773 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 1: the way it went. So I don't think it's just 774 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 1: cut and dry. I don't think it's like, well they 775 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,399 Speaker 1: attacked you, Well, you put yourself there with a gun. 776 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: You're at home watching nov with your family. That doesn't happen, 777 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,840 Speaker 1: So you went there with a gun. Yeah. Sorry, things 778 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 1: do happen that you don't expect. You're not in control 779 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: of every situation. So if he's completely off on self defense, 780 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,360 Speaker 1: I will have a huge problem with that. Yeah, I 781 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: think there's got to be somewhere in the middle. Do 782 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 1: I think he, you know, went out and hopes to 783 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,279 Speaker 1: kill No? Do I think he tried? Yeah? I don't. 784 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,800 Speaker 1: I can't answer. I can't answer. I just need to wait. Okay, 785 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 1: but should we get to our voicemails? We should. I 786 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,759 Speaker 1: also just wanted to pull focus back to something that 787 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,399 Speaker 1: I heard earlier that I wanted to just reiterate, um 788 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: that Max has a girlfriend. Did you guys recall hearing that? 789 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't want to interrupt the emotion that 790 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 1: he had, But when he said that, I saw your 791 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,440 Speaker 1: face kind of like I saw the entire thing. I 792 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,760 Speaker 1: was like looking I actually looked down on my phone 793 00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,320 Speaker 1: to see if I could pull off texting you, Leah Summer. 794 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,479 Speaker 1: I was expectingly to be like, Okay, thank you, Max, 795 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 1: thanks for your time today. I hope you get over 796 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: your trauma. But you know he's really not my type, right, Well, 797 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:59,360 Speaker 1: why he's not a comedian or because he's like emotions, 798 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: it's he lived in the apartment that they just say, okay, 799 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,359 Speaker 1: it seems like he has a bed frame and more 800 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 1: than two pillows. Oh my goodness. So you guys, I 801 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,839 Speaker 1: think the biggest crime of today is knowing that Max 802 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 1: has a girlfriend. I know, well, you're you're flirting with 803 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,719 Speaker 1: Max made us run over. So we can't even go 804 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,720 Speaker 1: to our first voicemail to cover the very good crime 805 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,440 Speaker 1: that is actually from my hometown. So we'll have to 806 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,319 Speaker 1: get into that next week. You guys, okay, but we 807 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 1: don't want to discourage people from calling it because we 808 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: will get to your voicemails. So make sure to call 809 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 1: eight six six one crime. Let us know about cases 810 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,800 Speaker 1: you've heard about, or if you've got any questions, comments, 811 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,000 Speaker 1: concerns having to do with anything that you heard. Actually, 812 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 1: don't leave that voicemail that sounds boring, but if you 813 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,960 Speaker 1: do have something you'd like for us to chat about. 814 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 1: Eight six six crime eight six six twenty one crime. 815 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:03,359 Speaker 1: It's the crime? Where's the crime? That was the crime? 816 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 1: I'm sorry you guys, please forgive me. We can't Bye bye, 817 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: I love you, Sy next week. Is it cool if 818 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:15,240 Speaker 1: I say goodbye? No? No? Next next time? Next time, Dmitri, 819 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 1: it's real time Crod, real time gro I mean, is 820 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,840 Speaker 1: it actually real time crime? I'm solving anything or is 821 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 1: that just the thing we say, it's a thing we say, 822 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,439 Speaker 1: got it? Okay, see you next week for more real 823 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,760 Speaker 1: time crime, only on I Heart Radio