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Speaker 2: On today's episode Reality for the King, we have a
Speaker 2: double hitter.
Speaker 1: One of the stories.
Speaker 2: I feel horrible for even talking about it because she's
Speaker 2: a friend of mine, but I know her so well
Speaker 2: that she understands that we're all just.
Speaker 1: Doing our job.
Speaker 2: And I have an update in regards to Salt Lake
Speaker 2: City that may surprise you. But first, please welcome back
Speaker 2: my guest that caused so much controversy with his take that,
Speaker 2: I was like, well, you.
Speaker 1: Have to come back, belove it. Give it up you
Speaker 1: guys for Jock Peterson.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me back like twice in less than
Speaker 3: a month. I feel like I'm killing it.
Speaker 2: Oh you're killing it because you are a journalist, hey, Portia,
Speaker 2: and there's so much breaking news going on. It was
Speaker 2: reported on in the Daily Mail, so much so that
Speaker 2: it is literally the talk of the town. And you
Speaker 2: are somebody that's always breaking news and you can offer information.
Speaker 2: It's about my friend Teddy Mellacamp, who recently filed for
Speaker 2: divorce from her husband.
Speaker 1: Edwin, And.
Speaker 2: Look, she's my friend and I want to make sure
Speaker 2: to show some respect to a very delicate situation. So
Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk about it. I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: Jock do it because he is a journalist.
Speaker 3: You're a mess, so that is why you hit me up.
Speaker 3: You're like, come back on the pod, and I'm like, oh, now,
Speaker 3: the agenda is clear. This feels very housewivesy, This is
Speaker 3: very lucid and the park with you.
Speaker 2: I'm Teddy, Oh look, look you are somebody that has
Speaker 2: that has you know, the information based on the reports
Speaker 2: that we read in the Daily Mail. And listen auto
Speaker 2: to side. One thing about Teddy, who's a friend of mine.
Speaker 2: I gave her the name Teddy Walters because Teddy is
Speaker 2: like a journalist as well, and she does her job.
Speaker 2: So Teddy is not going to take this personally because
Speaker 2: she understands the gig. But I don't have all the information.
Speaker 2: The only thing I know that is what she says.
Speaker 2: So Teddy has filed for divorce from her husband, and
Speaker 2: there's so many allegations and rumors that's out there. Teddy
Speaker 2: did say Jock on her two teas and a pod
Speaker 2: podcast that she's not going to confirm or deny anything.
Speaker 3: Well, I will happily say it all dropped the bomb,
Speaker 3: John says, has been on the phone with me because
Speaker 3: I've been writing hard for Teddy for a long time.
Speaker 3: She's never had me on two teas in a pod.
Speaker 3: So I'll sing like a canary and I think.
Speaker 2: Oh, but Jock, you were at the live podcast recently.
Speaker 3: Now I was, and actually I left early. I went
Speaker 3: with my friend Tamra got me in because I'm friends
Speaker 3: with Tamra, and I was going to try and hang
Speaker 3: around because I'm like all the housewives might go for
Speaker 3: like a dinner afterwards, like Tamra would be my inn.
Speaker 3: But then I had my friend with me, and then
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't want to be like buzzing around,
Speaker 3: Like can me and my friend like follow you around?
Speaker 3: So I'm like, girl, let's just go home. And then
Speaker 3: I think we watched the OC reunion or something. But anyway, okay,
Speaker 3: this the teddy of it all. So the story is
Speaker 3: interesting because it first well, the streets were talking for
Speaker 3: a while, and then it hit Dumi and that was
Speaker 3: the first time a lot of people heard about it
Speaker 3: because Dumis did it as kind of like a blind
Speaker 3: item or something, and you know, some of the blogs
Speaker 3: started talking about it, but it didn't hit any of
Speaker 3: the mainstream outlets. Because that's the thing that I don't
Speaker 3: know if people realize, like the difference between the blogs
Speaker 3: and the dumirs versus like you know, the US weeklies
Speaker 3: and the People's and the daily mails is like being
Speaker 3: an actual media organization, there's a lot of boxes that
Speaker 3: we have to tick before we can write a story.
Speaker 3: Like I know, people think that we can just write
Speaker 3: anything that we want, but we really can't because it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, the allegation was that Teddy had an affair
Speaker 3: with her horse trainer. So if that's not true, and
Speaker 3: then a media outlet publishes that and they just go, oh,
Speaker 3: we heard it on Deir, but we don't have any
Speaker 3: receipts to back it up. She can sue for defamation,
Speaker 3: like you need to be able to.
Speaker 1: Like prove it.
Speaker 3: So it was really floating there for like a week,
Speaker 3: and I know that a lot of media outlets behind
Speaker 3: the scenes were like trying to get their receipts together
Speaker 3: so they could break the story. And Daily Mail ended
Speaker 3: up being the first. It wasn't just myself, it was
Speaker 3: actually another reporter that's byliners on the article, James Ushuka.
Speaker 3: He did a lot of the groundwork on that and
Speaker 3: then I helped him out a bit with it. But yeah,
Speaker 3: they said that Teddy was having an affair with whole
Speaker 3: horse trainer who is married, and that the affair was
Speaker 3: happening while the wife was and at one point she
Speaker 3: was giving birth to their second child, and Teddy and
Speaker 3: this guy Simon were off together in like Florida while
Speaker 3: she was giving birth in California and.
Speaker 1: Your way, Jock.
Speaker 2: So the allegation is, like, I don't want to be
Speaker 2: clear this woman is allegedly at the hospital like about
Speaker 2: like like like in labor. And the allegation is that
Speaker 2: the horse trainer, which is her husband, and Teddy were
Speaker 2: in Florida.
Speaker 3: Yes, there were like a together. Yes, I think they
Speaker 3: were like a horse competition or something while she was
Speaker 3: giving birth. And then you know, I also heard that
Speaker 3: so she found the wife's name is Carli. She found
Speaker 3: out that Simon and Teddy had hooked up or something
Speaker 3: had happened, and she kind of like let it go
Speaker 3: and was like, all right, it's a one off. And
Speaker 3: then she found out that it was happening again. Now
Speaker 3: something else that I have heard. This is all allegedly,
Speaker 3: So this could be untrue because there's a lot of
Speaker 3: there's a lot of rumors going on, and even if
Speaker 3: you check, if you check all the different outlets like
Speaker 3: the Daily Mail, Entertainment Tonight, US Weekly, it's like everyone
Speaker 3: seems to be getting sources from like different places and
Speaker 3: different information and then being in the you know, in
Speaker 3: the media industry, like I hear things that haven't been
Speaker 3: reported yet. So this is all completely allegedly, may not
Speaker 3: be true. But I heard that Simon and Carly actually
Speaker 3: had an open marriage, and that's why the first time
Speaker 3: around she didn't really care allegedly allegedly may not be true.
Speaker 3: And then the second time that it happened, she felt
Speaker 3: like there was like an emotional component to it, and
Speaker 3: that's why she was like, enough is enough, because it's like,
Speaker 3: all right, I let it go the first time because
Speaker 3: I thought this was just a physical thing, and now
Speaker 3: there seems to be some emotional component to your affair,
Speaker 3: and that's why she was done with that. There's also
Speaker 3: conflicting stuff about Edward cheating on Teddy. First, so I
Speaker 3: believe that he did cheat on her, like in maybe
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen or sixteen, and I think she has confirmed that.
Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I think she's
Speaker 3: confirmed that and they worked through it. And then I've
Speaker 3: heard mixed things about the woman that he cheated on
Speaker 3: Teddy with. I've heard that it was just someone that
Speaker 3: Teddy barely knew, and then I've also heard that it
Speaker 3: was like one of Teddy's closest friends and it was
Speaker 3: like an affair that went on for a year. So
Speaker 3: I'm not sure there, and then I've also heard conflicting things.
Speaker 3: Is why this is also confusing. That I've heard that
Speaker 3: Edwin had cheated allegedly potentially had cheated on Teddy again.
Speaker 3: But then also people are saying that, no, he cheated
Speaker 3: that one time and then it never happened again and
Speaker 3: he straightened up. So it's a lot. There's a lot
Speaker 3: going on, and there's a lot of information out there,
Speaker 3: and it's hard to know exactly what's true and what
Speaker 3: isn't right now.
Speaker 2: No, there's a lot going on right there, because, like
Speaker 2: you said, the most recent information that came out weds
Speaker 2: the sources, right, So, like you intimated, a source said that,
Speaker 2: well Eddie, well let's say Edwin, because Eddie is Tamera's husband,
Speaker 2: and the ads have a podcast underneath the tow Teason,
Speaker 2: a pod banner, which we'll get to that in a second,
Speaker 2: because that's also very like interesting about the fate of
Speaker 2: that particular podcast.
Speaker 1: Right. So recently there was an article.
Speaker 2: That came out and I believe, and I could be wrong,
Speaker 2: but I believe it was Bryce Sanders with Entertainment Tonight
Speaker 2: who said that sources told him that Edwin had the
Speaker 2: affair first, but they yes, it was years ago.
Speaker 1: And that Teddy forgave him.
Speaker 2: And then there was another source who said that isn't true.
Speaker 2: That well, what isn't true is that that was the
Speaker 2: reason why Teddy felt the need to have an affair.
Speaker 1: Allegedly with this horse train.
Speaker 2: And what people are saying, Jock is the fact that
Speaker 2: they're alleging that the source is Teddy's camp, that it
Speaker 2: appears to be people in Teddy's camp trying to make
Speaker 2: Edwin the bad guy.
Speaker 3: Okay, but I think that's really unfair to Teddy because
Speaker 3: when the story broke first on De MOI, then on
Speaker 3: Daily Mail, then on TMZ and you know followed, everything
Speaker 3: was negative towards Teddy. It was like Edwin's done nothing wrong.
Speaker 3: Teddy had an affair with the married horse trainer and
Speaker 3: destroyed her marriage and destroyed another marriage, and no one's going, well,
Speaker 3: has that come from Edwin's camp? Is that slanted? But
Speaker 3: then as soon as something comes out in defensive Teddy,
Speaker 3: people are just so quick to be like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: that's Teddy's people putting this out. It's like there's often
Speaker 3: two sides to a story. I don't know where the
Speaker 3: original story came from. I don't know who originally leaked
Speaker 3: it to De Noir. I did hear that apparently was
Speaker 3: word on the street for like months, even before it
Speaker 3: hit Demit because the horse world is like a very
Speaker 3: small community and everyone knows everyone's business, so people had
Speaker 3: been talking. But like, again, I don't know who originated
Speaker 3: the story, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was Edwin.
Speaker 3: I've heard, you know, I'm want to be careful what
Speaker 3: I say, but I mean, I've heard that things may
Speaker 3: have come from Edwin, but I don't know that for
Speaker 3: a fact. It's just I think Teddy has told some
Speaker 3: people that possibly, But then it's like Teddy could be lying.
Speaker 3: We don't know, like because it's in her interest to
Speaker 3: say that, so we don't know. But I've heard that
Speaker 3: she's told people that Edwin is coming after her and
Speaker 3: that she feels like there's a lot of lies out
Speaker 3: there about her. Her plan, I believe currently is to
Speaker 3: just say nothing and to be quiet. But it's like
Speaker 3: this isn't gonna blow over. I mean, you're gonna have
Speaker 3: to say something eventually.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: She keeps coming out and saying, well, I'm not saying
Speaker 3: anything because you know, my kids are involved, et cetera.
Speaker 3: But it's like it's already out there. People are already
Speaker 3: talking about it. There's sources from both sides clearly coming
Speaker 3: out to every single media outlet, because every every media
Speaker 3: outlet has their own like exclusive on this, so you know,
Speaker 3: people are talking. So I do think that Teddy should
Speaker 3: come out with her side of the story at some point.
Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you, and I would not be
Speaker 2: mad if she comes out with her story on the
Speaker 2: next season of OC.
Speaker 3: Neither would I. And I've been saying that.
Speaker 2: I feel like Teddy should get back. Listen and my
Speaker 2: brain drops.
Speaker 1: Know this, Jock.
Speaker 2: I have said for years that Teddy needs to get
Speaker 2: back on television. I think she's fantastic TV. Granted, granted,
Speaker 2: And me and Teddy had this conversation on her podcast.
Speaker 2: Her first two seasons were awkward because again, when you're
Speaker 2: literally a normal person and you get on TV and
Speaker 2: you're in this sort of like social experiment, unless you're
Speaker 2: a Hilton or Richard's or Arena or Vanda Pump, you
Speaker 2: really don't or grammar, you know what I mean, You
Speaker 2: really don't know how this world is. So I always
Speaker 2: gave Teddy grace. Who Teddy is today, She's not that
Speaker 2: same woman who started on Beverly Hill's Housewives, so I've
Speaker 2: always fought for her to come back, in addition to
Speaker 2: the fact that she is Kyle Richard's best friend in
Speaker 2: real life, and I think Kyle of all people, need
Speaker 2: a best friend on that show that she really is
Speaker 2: friends with. But Teddy does live in OC. OC is
Speaker 2: having their best season ever. What has worked for OC
Speaker 2: this season obviously was really following the reality of these
Speaker 2: women's lives, and that reality was Yes, John Janssen was
Speaker 2: dating Alexis Belino, only made sense to bring Alexis back
Speaker 2: to have that awkward thing with Shannon, and it worked.
Speaker 1: It was great television.
Speaker 2: I want to see something elsewhere is dominating the news,
Speaker 2: and as if you are, I get to watch it unfold.
Speaker 2: So I am advocating for Teddy Joe Mellencamp to be
Speaker 2: featured on the Real Housewives and I will see either
Speaker 2: as a housewife or friend of But we need Tamera
Speaker 2: as well, right to have a real friend on the show.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: So I had the same take on my Patreon Guys,
Speaker 3: if you want to subscribe on popular JP on Patreon,
Speaker 3: but I said the exact same give it a plug.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: I said the same thing because look, I'm a huge
Speaker 3: Alexis Billina fan, and I would if I could pick
Speaker 3: if she.
Speaker 1: I love her to I do not to cut you
Speaker 1: off from now.
Speaker 3: I love her, I Dola, And by the way, I
Speaker 3: think you and I one of the ways that we
Speaker 3: bonded originally is because we were both Teddy Bears on Twitter,
Speaker 3: because we both saw and when Teddy came for Lisa
Speaker 3: vander Pump, I was like, oh my god. Yes, So
Speaker 3: I was a big Teddy fan for a long time.
Speaker 3: So I agree she's really good television, and she should
Speaker 3: be on The Traders as well, because she'd be really
Speaker 3: good on that because she likes to, you know, get
Speaker 3: to the bottom of things. There's a lot of shows
Speaker 3: should be good on. Anyway, getting sidetracked, I love Alexis
Speaker 3: Billino and I want her back, but I feel like,
Speaker 3: and we don't know yet. I've heard conflicting things. We
Speaker 3: don't know if she will be back on the show
Speaker 3: or not. I'm leaning that she might not be just
Speaker 3: because one Shannon won't film with her, and two I
Speaker 3: think that producers are going to be wary of like
Speaker 3: repeating the same storyline again. And I think because there
Speaker 3: wasn't any resolution between the two camps. It's like, how
Speaker 3: do you have Alexis back without it just being And
Speaker 3: they learned their lesson with Scandalval where it was like
Speaker 3: people kind of turned on vander pumt rules when they
Speaker 3: did two seasons of Scandabal instead of just one. So
Speaker 3: I don't think Alexis will be back, and I kind
Speaker 3: of think, all right, well, in the friend role, why
Speaker 3: not swap out Alexis for Teddy? And there you go,
Speaker 3: and look, Teddy is no shade Teddy. But people find
Speaker 3: Teddy very annoying, very unlikable, and they felt the same
Speaker 3: about Alexis. And what's kind of good about Teddy is
Speaker 3: because she is uptight and she is kind of annoying.
Speaker 3: It robs people the wrong way and then it organically
Speaker 3: creates conflict, so there would just be natural drama arising.
Speaker 3: But then Teddy also has these real friendships. She's definitely
Speaker 3: Teddy has to be friends with more than just Tamra
Speaker 3: on there. I'm sure she knows a few of them
Speaker 3: and is friendly with them. And I also was thinking,
Speaker 3: and I don't know, but I was wondering if maybe
Speaker 3: the reason that Teddy is holding out on her side
Speaker 3: and not speaking at is because she is wanting to
Speaker 3: get that phone call from you know, Andy Cole on
Speaker 3: r alex Baskin about Hey, let's get you back on
Speaker 3: Beverly Hills or OC and then you can tell your
Speaker 3: story there. And I'm wondering if strategically Teddy's like, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to say anything until you guys put me
Speaker 3: back on TV. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe she's ding ding ding Listen. I agree with you,
Speaker 2: ding ding ding any ding, and listen.
Speaker 1: I will say this too, Jock.
Speaker 2: One of the many reasons why I wanted to make
Speaker 2: sure we talk about it is because I'm advocating.
Speaker 1: For that to happen.
Speaker 2: And the more this story's out there, the better our chances.
Speaker 2: Because right before Alexis, Belina was officially cast as a
Speaker 2: friend of to the show. I use this podcast to
Speaker 2: stay to the world, and obviously a lot of my
Speaker 2: listeners are Bravo fans and some employees, so.
Speaker 1: I want to make.
Speaker 3: Shout out.
Speaker 1: Hi, Bravo, I love you, So I want to listen.
Speaker 2: I really really really really really really want Teddy to
Speaker 2: be on OC, and I agree with you. Teddy is
Speaker 2: savvy and she's smart, and one thing about Teddy that
Speaker 2: I think we all realize she now understands the assignment
Speaker 2: because even her little parents on O see this season
Speaker 2: where she was a part of that Traders, you know,
Speaker 2: game hosting it like she was sharp as snarky through
Speaker 2: shade at VICKI like, I love her. I love her
Speaker 2: in real life and I love her on the show.
Speaker 2: And I would rather see this story on the fold.
Speaker 1: And that was going to bring me next. Jock.
Speaker 2: Two the two Eds Eddie which is Tamra's husband, and Edwin,
Speaker 2: which is now Teddy's estranged husband.
Speaker 1: They're friends.
Speaker 2: They have a podcast underneath the two teas and a
Speaker 2: pop banner called the Eds. So think about it, rain Drops, Jock,
Speaker 2: think about it. You get to see a scene with
Speaker 2: the two Eds talking about this and intercut a scene
Speaker 2: with Tamra and Teddy talking about this as well. That's
Speaker 2: what I want to see and listen, I love Alexis
Speaker 2: Belino and I and then Alexis brought so much magic
Speaker 2: to this season.
Speaker 1: I agree with you.
Speaker 2: In terms of elevating the story for the next season.
Speaker 2: And this is Carlos King's take, and Jock, you go next.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see another season of Shannon versus
Speaker 2: Alexis or Shannon versus Tamra. I don't want to see
Speaker 2: that on my TV screen. I'm over it. What I
Speaker 2: want to see is Teddy going through this Tamra helping her.
Speaker 2: How the other ladies feel about it, because the joke is, oh, really, Teddy,
Speaker 2: your accountability coach? Are you taking countability? And bring VICKI
Speaker 2: back to read her?
Speaker 1: Go ahead?
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, I just want to say one thing with Alexis.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 3: I don't want to repeat of that, but I do
Speaker 3: love Alexis and I think she's so good that I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be mad if they I mean, I know they're
Speaker 3: not going to get rid of Shannon, so I shouldn't
Speaker 3: even say it, but I would be happy if they
Speaker 3: got rid of Shannon and just made Alexis full time,
Speaker 3: Like I would rather Alexis than Shannon. But anyway, yeah,
Speaker 3: if we had to get rid of a lex So
Speaker 3: and by the way, if you guys get rid of Alexis, bravo.
Speaker 3: If you're listening, please throw her a bone and put
Speaker 3: her on like how civillains or traders or whatever like
Speaker 3: give her some work because she really made that season
Speaker 3: pop for you. Guys and she got nothing in return,
Speaker 3: and she just kind of deserves her flowers and then
Speaker 3: she deserves to come back to Ocie again later once
Speaker 3: this has all come down, because she's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with one hundred percent what you said. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love Alexis and I agree with that.
Speaker 3: I think bring Teddy in because Shannon has been cheated
Speaker 3: on before, so she'll feel strongly about what Teddy did,
Speaker 3: like and Ginea's been cheated on too, Like these women
Speaker 3: have been in situations where they've had a partner cheat
Speaker 3: on them, So how are they going to feel about
Speaker 3: Teddy's situation? And then, because you know Teddy the detective,
Speaker 3: I want her to get to the bottom of Katie
Speaker 3: the crook. I love Katie on the show.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait
Speaker 2: a minute, wait a minute.
Speaker 3: I do not trust Katie one fucking bit, not one bit.
Speaker 3: I think she is such a crooked little schemer. I
Speaker 3: think she's in the DMS of all the blogs. I
Speaker 3: think she's plowing and planning. I think she leaked those
Speaker 3: Did you see the whole thing with the text messages
Speaker 3: about Emily and the nanny and stuff?
Speaker 1: Tell my rain jobs all about that.
Speaker 3: It's such a weird, convoluted story. I'm like, okay. So
Speaker 3: on the show, Katie's eldest daughter baby sat Emily's young boys,
Speaker 3: and then the daughter came back and she said, oh,
Speaker 3: Emily's boys were saying, we hate Heather Debro, She's mean
Speaker 3: to our mummy. And then Tamra heard that, and then
Speaker 3: she took her back to Emily, and Emily was like,
Speaker 3: my boys would never say that. They don't even know
Speaker 3: who Heather Debro is. And now you're just trying to
Speaker 3: You're making this up to try and cause is choose
Speaker 3: between myself and Heather Debro. And then they did do
Speaker 3: a weird flashback where they showed Katie at home and
Speaker 3: Katie's young son, who was definitely under ten, was like,
Speaker 3: he was talking shit about Heather Debro. So it looked
Speaker 3: like Katie had like made it up that she was
Speaker 3: accusing Emily's kids of talking about about Heather when really
Speaker 3: it's like her kid that was But then one of
Speaker 3: the Housewives blogs got these text messages, and the text
Speaker 3: messages were like, I used to be Emily Simpson's nanny
Speaker 3: and Emily always talked about housewives in front of the boys,
Speaker 3: and the boys didn't like Heather debro So I one
Speaker 3: hundred percent believe Katie was telling the truth. And it's like,
Speaker 3: how did this blog get these text messages?
Speaker 2: They've random text from a former nanny.
Speaker 1: It's like, girl, are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: And this blog was saying we've seen a photo of
Speaker 3: the nanny with Emily to verify the identity, but we're
Speaker 3: not going to post it. And then I've heard that
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, Katie's saying I had nothing to do
Speaker 3: with this. I didn't give the text to this blogger,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, Katie, girl, you definitely did. I just
Speaker 3: do not trust Katie at all. With that said, I
Speaker 3: think she's great on the show, and she reminds me
Speaker 3: actually a little bit of Teddy. Katie to me is
Speaker 3: a little bit of a Teddy two point zh wait.
Speaker 1: I don't think Teddy's a crook though.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think Teddy's a crook. But I think
Speaker 3: that they're both kind of there's something that's kind of
Speaker 3: like uptight and serious about both of them, you know,
Speaker 3: like and kind of very straightforward, and they get a
Speaker 3: bit flustered when they go up against Yeah, and I
Speaker 3: don't know there's something similar there, but I want to
Speaker 3: see Teddy. I want to see Teddy hold Katie accountable
Speaker 3: for whatever Katie's been doing.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, okay, wait a second, Wait a second, i'dn't
Speaker 2: think okay.
Speaker 3: Do you want me to produce the next season evolution?
Speaker 3: Hit me up?
Speaker 2: Yes, so, all the producers who produce I'll see your listening,
Speaker 2: please called Jock Peterson. He's local in Los Angeles, so
Speaker 2: you don't have to like pay for his airfare.
Speaker 3: Keep me up, do you know Luke?
Speaker 1: Yes, he's one of my best friends. I love love. Hey, look,
Speaker 1: hey girl.
Speaker 2: Child, we are just getting started. This is reality with
Speaker 2: the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: Jock, I never thought about this, the idea of Kate.
Speaker 2: You know what's so funny. I'm gonna I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: there with you. Katie and Teddy are ice queen?
Speaker 1: Yes? Right? So what?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Jock, you're really good at this? What
Speaker 2: what we haven't really seen? I don't think ever in
Speaker 2: the history of housewives, if I'm really thinking about it,
Speaker 2: you haven't seen a showdown between two ice queens who
Speaker 2: don't yell. Do you know what I mean, like, who
Speaker 2: don't yell after a certain octave, Like there's sort of
Speaker 2: like very monotone but icy, but but but very listen,
Speaker 2: very direct to shady and can read you but in
Speaker 2: a very subtle direct way. I have never seen that
Speaker 2: on Housewives, Have you No?
Speaker 3: And I just think that OC has such an interesting
Speaker 3: dynamic now, Like I know that you're a huge Jen
Speaker 3: fan and sol my, I think Jen has had one
Speaker 3: of the greatest sophomore seasons of all time. Like it's
Speaker 3: it's so like by the time, you know, and look,
Speaker 3: I'm friends with Tamra and I'm always right or die
Speaker 3: for Tamra, so you know, it's my girl, but.
Speaker 1: She's my friend in real life. I love her. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, I even texted Tamorra after I watched part two
Speaker 3: of the reunion. I was like, sorry, girl, and Jen
Speaker 3: is killing this, Like.
Speaker 1: And what does she say back to you? Are you
Speaker 1: allowed to say.
Speaker 3: Tamra ignore that Jen is good television?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Okay.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to say okay, okay, so okay. The
Speaker 2: only thing I will say too is I have also spoken.
Speaker 1: To Tamara about my love for Jen.
Speaker 2: How great Jen is and Jock is one thousand percent correct.
Speaker 2: I want you ought to know Tamra doesn't hate Jen.
Speaker 2: Tamara is not a gen hater. She under listen. Tamar
Speaker 2: is a legend who started the sort of what's what
Speaker 2: I'm looking for, Jock, because Tamar's the first house.
Speaker 3: She turned housewives into survivor. She created the modern formula
Speaker 3: of housewives because it wasn't about drama before Tamara got
Speaker 3: on the show.
Speaker 2: And you better preach, So all of you guys who
Speaker 2: hate Tamara, let's have a real conversation. Tamar Judge is
Speaker 2: the first housewife to ever go there and brought drama
Speaker 2: to the franchise because before Tamara it.
Speaker 1: Was really about like, oh, we are neighbors and living.
Speaker 2: In the same gated commune and we've talked about our kids.
Speaker 2: Now Tamar said hold on to your Daddy's Gretchen's here,
Speaker 2: you know, like really really brought that. And every housewife
Speaker 2: till today has used that formula. But I saw that
Speaker 2: to say, I want the roll to know this too.
Speaker 2: Tamra understands what Jen has brought to the show and
Speaker 2: doesn't hate it.
Speaker 1: And I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 3: Yes, and they have their own and look, I do
Speaker 3: think that I think Tamara is going to be vindicated
Speaker 3: in the end. She often is because Tamara has a
Speaker 3: good's Tama has a great bullshit detector. And as much
Speaker 3: as I adore Jen, you know something in the middle
Speaker 3: gain clean, Like it's a little shady out there, and
Speaker 3: I think that Tamra will be vindicated. But I didn't
Speaker 3: even know where I was going with this, but I
Speaker 3: just want to say, Jen read Tamra Fulfilled at the
Speaker 3: reunion and it was amazing. Sorry, Tamra, and I kind
Speaker 3: of couldn't.
Speaker 2: Okay, no, oh Shae, can you tell the audience well,
Speaker 2: I was your favorite part about the read, like, can
Speaker 2: you like and your gen boys give the read the of.
Speaker 1: The party reader.
Speaker 3: I don't remember it verbatim, but it was just like,
Speaker 3: it's really hard to check Tamra. And one thing is
Speaker 3: as well. And I've always said this, like a lot
Speaker 3: of the girls, like Emily and Gina, who I'm big
Speaker 3: fans of, and I've been fans of them since they
Speaker 3: joined the show. I was never a hater of Gina
Speaker 3: and Emily's ever, and they've had times where they've like
Speaker 3: tussled with Tamra and they always back down, And I
Speaker 3: was always saying to myself, like girls like follow through
Speaker 3: with it. Tamra's a big girl, she's tough, she can
Speaker 3: take it, go toe to toe with her. She's not
Speaker 3: Lisa vander Palmp like where she's going to be pulling
Speaker 3: all of this shit like she spa with her and
Speaker 3: no one sees it through And Jen and I said,
Speaker 3: quiet sweet, Jen was just like, girl, I am gonna
Speaker 3: read you up and down and I don't give a
Speaker 3: fuck and I'm not scared of you. And look, it's
Speaker 3: worked out great. It's been an amazing season. Hammer is
Speaker 3: more relevant than ever Jen is, you know, having the
Speaker 3: show is popping. It's like everyone's favorite season right now.
Speaker 3: It will probably be the best Housewive season of the year.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's just it's so good. It's just such
Speaker 3: a good cast. So throw Teddy in there instead of Alexis,
Speaker 3: and you know, there's a.
Speaker 2: Season, and there's a season, and I'll end with this.
Speaker 2: Teddy has said that please give her some time while
Speaker 2: she's dealing with this and for her children. So our
Speaker 2: thoughts in press grow out to Teddy Mellencamp. Jack and
Speaker 2: I are whose fans of Teddy. We're Teddy Bears. And
Speaker 2: we really want her back on TV, and we both
Speaker 2: think the best thing to do, especially because Housewives of
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills is airing this week, so it only makes
Speaker 2: sense that she goes back to OC because OC allegedly
Speaker 2: is picking up cameras really, really soon, and you need to.
Speaker 1: Capitalize on this.
Speaker 2: Okay, speaking of capitalizing, I have been capitalized on my
Speaker 2: rain drops, who has forced me to watch this season
Speaker 2: of Salt Lake City because I wasn't going to give
Speaker 2: it a chance because I'm a huge Monica fan and
Speaker 2: Monica listen, I'll say it that I'll move on. Monica
Speaker 2: turned that show out last season, and I was sad
Speaker 2: to see her number turn. But I did watch the
Speaker 2: premiere episode and I told my rain drops that Broadwind
Speaker 2: was fantastic, and I saw that in the first episode.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't like X, Y and Z, but
Speaker 2: that Broadwind watch off of her. So recently they all
Speaker 2: said to watch it. I spent the weekend binging, and
Speaker 2: we have to talk about Salt Lake City and my adoration,
Speaker 2: obsession and love for Broadway. I am obsessed, and we
Speaker 2: have to talk about what she is bringing to this
Speaker 2: season because it's campy and the best way.
Speaker 3: Passablele it's campy, but she's also dominating in a way
Speaker 3: where it's like the first cast trip and she's calling
Speaker 3: the shots of like Heather, and Heather's like the like
Speaker 3: Heather is like the you know, the Kyle or like
Speaker 3: the force multiplier really of the show, and Bro's like, Heather,
Speaker 3: you're not coming on the trip and Lisa, if you
Speaker 3: don't get it together, you're going home too, bitch like,
Speaker 3: and she's getting away with it, which is wild, by
Speaker 3: the way, just backtracking one second to Monica, I was
Speaker 3: really glad. I mean, I love Monica and that season
Speaker 3: was phenomenal, but it just would have been too much
Speaker 3: with Monica coming back and she's just two. She's two
Speaker 3: in the blogs, she's too involved in all that. Monica
Speaker 3: needs a pause, Like we can bring Monica back at
Speaker 3: a time that's appropriate. But I thought they made the
Speaker 3: right decision and watching the season, they absolutely did, and
Speaker 3: we have like a whole fresh thing. We don't have
Speaker 3: to rehash another season of Monica, which if they brought
Speaker 3: Monica back like it honestly would have been repetitive. And
Speaker 3: that's what will happen probably if they bring Alexis back,
Speaker 3: No shade, alexis so roman is like you know, the
Speaker 3: premiere episode, they had this scene where she went to
Speaker 3: like get coffee with Lisa Balow and she was wearing
Speaker 3: like this Vinyl leopard thing, which when I first when
Speaker 3: I saw that, I was like, Oh, you're on the
Speaker 3: wrong show. This is not selling Sunset. You're way too
Speaker 3: thirsty and annoying. And I was ready to write her off.
Speaker 3: But by episode two, three four, I'm like, she is
Speaker 3: fucking incredible, and she has that like Durnda Medley Margaret
Speaker 3: Joseph's kind of thing where it's like you came onto
Speaker 3: the show late, but you feel like an og instantly,
Speaker 3: Like she just like she just feels like she's been
Speaker 3: there from the start, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Good point, No, you know, I'm really thinking about it,
Speaker 2: especially Durenda Durrenda came on New York City and immediately.
Speaker 1: Felt like an OG. So I understand the correlation. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I was looking up because I'm just curious about
Speaker 3: Bromwin and I was looking her up today and I
Speaker 3: went on this subreddit called Utah Influencer Drama and they
Speaker 3: it's just a thing where they're obsessed with Utah influences,
Speaker 3: and she had been on that subreddit for a while,
Speaker 3: so she was known around Utah as just this fabulous
Speaker 3: fashion Easta because I kind of thought, honestly, at first,
Speaker 3: when I saw it the season, I thought, she's just
Speaker 3: dressing up like this for the show, Like this is
Speaker 3: just her being contrived for television, wearing these wacky outfits.
Speaker 3: But she really had been dressing like that and doing
Speaker 3: that for years. And I also spoke to someone that
Speaker 3: has a close friend of hers, and they said, that
Speaker 3: is Bronwin. That is who she is. She dresses like that.
Speaker 3: She's fabulous. She was known around Utah for just throwing
Speaker 3: all these fun parties and being in the fashion world,
Speaker 3: and was probably only a matter of time before she
Speaker 3: ended up on the show.
Speaker 2: And she's just amazing, Like she's so good, she's so fantastic.
Speaker 2: So let's get right into it, because this most recent episode,
Speaker 2: let us talk about the trip I'm un deserves. We
Speaker 2: talked about in a global aspect of this recap, and
Speaker 2: for me, this is like a recap of the episode
Speaker 2: more so like does me acknowledging to the audience that
Speaker 2: I am now on the train of Salt Lake City
Speaker 2: like I'm on it and I'm here for the ride.
Speaker 2: When made me fall in love with her was two things.
Speaker 2: When she wore the wacky costume and pick up her
Speaker 2: husband and at the airport, like it's so funny and
Speaker 2: silly that listen. I like a housewife who does not
Speaker 2: take herself so seriously, and.
Speaker 1: The fact that she could have fun with it, I
Speaker 1: thought was great.
Speaker 2: But also her comfortability level at checking people. So even
Speaker 2: when Heather went over her house, all that poop was
Speaker 2: on the floor and listen, Heather, by the way, heathernless gorgeous,
Speaker 2: Like whatever you're doing, girl, keep doing it. You look
Speaker 2: at me eaze, but you're right like Heather to me
Speaker 2: was positioned to be the face of the show, and
Speaker 2: I personally never saw that in terms of the reasoning
Speaker 2: behind it, but I think it was shoved on our
Speaker 2: throats that it is what it is, that it was
Speaker 2: Heather Show. And I like to argue that the other
Speaker 2: person I love and this will be unpopular, like Jock's podcast,
Speaker 2: the name of it not the reception of the name
Speaker 2: of It's.
Speaker 1: On Patreon subscribe to.
Speaker 2: It was unpopular for some people. And you don't give
Speaker 2: a shit because I don't believe social media is the.
Speaker 1: Real world anyway. But I digress. I'm obsessed with Lisa Barlow.
Speaker 2: I am in love with a woman who has no
Speaker 2: sense of reality, and I love it. I don't like
Speaker 2: people who play to the cameras. I don't like people
Speaker 2: who play to the audience who want to see them
Speaker 2: just be perfect. I love the fact that she complained
Speaker 2: about sitting in seventeen C. That's what I want from
Speaker 2: a housewife. I want ridiculousness. I want over the top.
Speaker 2: I want somebody who doesn't care that half the audience
Speaker 2: would love.
Speaker 1: To just be on a plane, because that's who she is.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to say this, and I know it's
Speaker 2: not popular, and I don't give a shit. I love
Speaker 2: Lisa Barlow, and to me, Lisa Barlow is the first
Speaker 2: multiplier of the show.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, John, Okay, Look, I disagree with I think
Speaker 3: Heather is definitely the false multiplier and I'm a huge
Speaker 3: fan of Heather's but I do think that it's like
Speaker 3: neck and neck, and I really think that it's kind
Speaker 3: of like I think Heather and Lisa to me, like
Speaker 3: the Karen and Giselle of like Salt Lake City, like
Speaker 3: it's all the Kyle and Lisa Vanda pomp, all the
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like it's really.
Speaker 1: Like those and Kim and Nini back in the home like.
Speaker 3: It's and they sort of That's why they have ups
Speaker 3: and downs in their relationship because they and one thing
Speaker 3: I will say about Lisa Barlow. Love her, but I
Speaker 3: think she is She's definitely like you know, delusional and
Speaker 3: not self aware and stuff. But I also think she's
Speaker 3: way more calculated than it comes across. Like I do
Speaker 3: think she's rehearsing lines to say on the show.
Speaker 2: Agreed, That's why I could not get into the premiere episode.
Speaker 2: And again, Lisa, I love you, but I'm also gonna
Speaker 2: read you in the best way possible and that means
Speaker 2: the kindest.
Speaker 1: Lisa Barlow's behavior or.
Speaker 2: Should I say performance in the season premiere is where
Speaker 2: it turns me off because I'm like, Lisa Barlow is
Speaker 2: too conscious of her image to behave that way at
Speaker 2: a party that is branded by her her liquor brand.
Speaker 2: So I thought it was rehearsing all that shit when
Speaker 2: she threw When she threw.
Speaker 1: The glass was really bad.
Speaker 3: It was like girl, like, I mean, I look, I'm sure,
Speaker 3: production will like, all right, we lost Monica, you girls
Speaker 3: better fucking bring it because we got rid of, you know,
Speaker 3: the most dramatic person ever, so don't fuck around. So
Speaker 3: I get why they felt the pressure to do it,
Speaker 3: but it was like, yes, it was ridiculous. So I
Speaker 3: think that. I think even like she's kind of like Ramona.
Speaker 3: Like I talked to one of the New York Housewives.
Speaker 3: I won't say who, but she was like, yeah, Ramona's
Speaker 3: not a dummy like Ramone, even though people think like
Speaker 3: Ramona is just so like has no self awareness and
Speaker 3: is completely in her own world, which is like true,
Speaker 3: but it's like you don't last like that long on
Speaker 3: a reality TV show without kind of knowing how to
Speaker 3: play the game. Like even Ramona understands the assignment, knows
Speaker 3: like we're making a television show and I'm going to
Speaker 3: do things for TV. So Lisa Bolo is definitely like that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think the whole cast is bringing it.
Speaker 3: I mean, Mary is fucking sensational on this season.
Speaker 1: So sensational, love love love love Mary.
Speaker 3: It's it's mind blowing. I can't get over it. From
Speaker 3: the Mary that was originally on like those early seasons
Speaker 3: of Salt Lake, where she seemed like too weird to
Speaker 3: even be on Bravo. It was like, this is not
Speaker 3: Bravo's brand, Like why is this person here? Like she
Speaker 3: should be one of the like the weirdos on like
Speaker 3: ninety Day Fiance or something like this isn't working. You're
Speaker 3: like toxic and insane. And now it's like she's like
Speaker 3: a human being and she's like fully fleshed out and
Speaker 3: she has like she has really great reads, like when
Speaker 3: she reads Heather, I love it. And she really seems
Speaker 3: to be able to cut through the bs. And then
Speaker 3: we're seeing we're seeing this vulnerable side of her with
Speaker 3: her son and her being a mom, and we're seeing
Speaker 3: her friendship with Angie. And when I heard that her
Speaker 3: and Angie had become friends, originally I'm like, this has
Speaker 3: to be the thirstiest, fakest friendship like ever because he's,
Speaker 3: you know, Angie's just desperate to who I love Angie
Speaker 3: by the way, So this isn't shade to Angie. But
Speaker 3: I'm like, this feels very calful. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 3: this feels calculate. But then when I'm watching their friendship together,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I get it. They seem like they
Speaker 3: actually are friends. So yeah, it's really a phenomenal season.
Speaker 3: And there's something very different about Salt Lake City to
Speaker 3: the other shows, Like there's just something a little bit
Speaker 3: like weird, a little bit like crazy. This is kind
Speaker 3: of like it has a bit of a screw loose,
Speaker 3: and I just love it. It's so good.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, listen, I am now learning to embrace
Speaker 2: the campiness of the show. And so I will say this,
Speaker 2: Each Real Housewives franchise should feel different. Every each one
Speaker 2: should feel like there's something different, whether that's through the
Speaker 2: cast or through the editing of the show. So they
Speaker 2: definitely play up the camp on Salt Lake City. And
Speaker 2: after watching four consecutive episodes, I'm not as distracted as
Speaker 2: I was before, you know, when they used to overplay it.
Speaker 2: I now get that that's at staple, So whatever.
Speaker 1: Fine.
Speaker 2: What is fascinating, though, is the dynamic of the cast,
Speaker 2: and you're absolutely it does a bron win bringing fresh
Speaker 2: story to this season. And I think that's the reason
Speaker 2: why a lot of people are like, Okay, we like it,
Speaker 2: Like like we were not getting the same old, same
Speaker 2: o that we could have gotten last season, but we
Speaker 2: are getting something fresh and to fill Monica's shoes is
Speaker 2: big shoes to Phil, and I like the fact that
Speaker 2: bron isn't trying to be Monica, She's trying to be herself,
Speaker 2: and she is being herself so much so that we
Speaker 2: got to talk about her husband because I'm very intrigued
Speaker 2: with your thoughts on exactly their dynamics. So she has
Speaker 2: a husband named Todd, and Todd is super rich, super wealthy,
Speaker 2: like does beyond like majorly wealthy. Right, the way he
Speaker 2: talks to Bronwen is rubbing a lot of people off.
Speaker 1: They feel like he talks down to her.
Speaker 2: They feel like Bronwin will get a divorce next season.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on their dynamic because even the
Speaker 2: jokes she made at the dinner table about you know,
Speaker 2: the state of their marriage instead, but I was joking.
Speaker 1: You know, there's always some truth in a joke. So
Speaker 1: what do you think, Jock?
Speaker 3: Okay, So there's two things to this. One is that
Speaker 3: if you're a younger woman with no money and you're
Speaker 3: with an older, wealthier man, like you sort of have
Speaker 3: to cater to him to a certain extent. Like that's
Speaker 3: that's the arrangement, you know what I mean? Like, you're
Speaker 3: he's not picking you because you're you have equal power
Speaker 3: in the relationship and you're wearing the pants and everything.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like, yes, it is all about him
Speaker 3: because he's funding a certain lifestyle for you, and you're
Speaker 3: offering your kind of youth and what you bring and
Speaker 3: he has his big wallet. But doesn't mean that relationship
Speaker 3: can't work and have love and have all these things.
Speaker 3: But there's going to be a power imbalance and that
Speaker 3: just comes with those types of relationships. So there's that.
Speaker 3: And then you probably haven't seen this yet, but on
Speaker 3: YouTube they released a preview of next week's episode and
Speaker 3: it's after the trip and todd sits Bromwan down and
Speaker 3: he's like, you know, bromwhen the way that you were
Speaker 3: behaving on this trip, when you were screaming at Lisa Balow,
Speaker 3: He's like, I've never seen that side of you before.
Speaker 3: I don't know what has got into you. It was
Speaker 3: very unbecoming. I don't like it. I didn't think there
Speaker 3: was going to be drama on this trip. And really,
Speaker 3: what I think we have here is like, look, he's
Speaker 3: an old man. He doesn't watch housewives. She wanted to
Speaker 3: do the show. She obviously is a flashy, flamboyant person
Speaker 3: who was out living a big life on Instagram, you know,
Speaker 3: enough to get written about on the you know, the
Speaker 3: reddits of the world. She's doing a show, and now
Speaker 3: she's she's doing what's expected when you're on a show
Speaker 3: like this, which is fighting with people and being around
Speaker 3: a bunch of dramatic people, and it's I think the
Speaker 3: clash is there. I don't think it's that he speaks
Speaker 3: down to her. I think it's just like, you've never
Speaker 3: been like this before, and now here we are with
Speaker 3: cameras and now you're screaming next to someone at a
Speaker 3: pool and storming off, and it's like, who are you?
Speaker 3: And I'm curious to see where their relationship goes and
Speaker 3: how strong the relationship really is, because if I truly
Speaker 3: loved someone and they can provide for me and we
Speaker 3: have a you know, a great No marriage is perfect,
Speaker 3: but we have a great relationship. Like, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to throw it away to be on television. So if
Speaker 3: she stays on the show and he's against it, they
Speaker 3: might get divorced just because she's essentially going I would
Speaker 3: rather be on a television show than save my marriage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's that's major and you and you brought
Speaker 2: up something important, which is listen, Bronwyn is obviously a
Speaker 2: kept woman.
Speaker 1: She doesn't hide it.
Speaker 2: She mentioned one of the things she loves about him
Speaker 2: is his black heart, and even he said, that's the
Speaker 2: main reason you love So they're both in on the joke,
Speaker 2: like he listen, when you are older, wealthy man and
Speaker 2: you have a beautiful, young wife, you know that the
Speaker 2: first thing is your wife loves you because of your money.
Speaker 2: And that's not shay, it is what it is, right,
Speaker 2: And the wife understands as well that this man is
Speaker 2: with me because I'm young and pretty and I'm a
Speaker 2: good trophy wife on his arm. So they're both in
Speaker 2: on the joke, right. But you're right, this man has
Speaker 2: never seen a housewife show. This man is in boardrooms,
Speaker 2: this man is traveling private. This man is probably hanging
Speaker 2: out with Elon Musk, do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: that's how wealthy and accessible he is to that one percent.
Speaker 1: So to see that your wife, Yeah, I like her.
Speaker 1: She's over the top.
Speaker 2: She's a great conversation piece when I have dinner with
Speaker 2: my boring friends and their wives, Like she's the star
Speaker 2: of the dinner table conversation and he loves that because
Speaker 2: she likes upper room. What this man had no idea
Speaker 2: was like, wait, what type of show is this? And
Speaker 2: I think, what's happening? I think what's happening today? He's
Speaker 2: watching these episodes at home and he's and he's seeing
Speaker 2: her behavior before the trip, and he's right, he's not
Speaker 2: watching how Browin was before the trip. And it's like,
Speaker 2: wait a second, this is a type of show that
Speaker 2: you're on. And I'm gonna say this, and I could
Speaker 2: be wrong. I think braun Went is going to have
Speaker 2: to make a choice because a man of Todd's stature
Speaker 2: number one and number two, based on what he's showing
Speaker 2: us in conversations with her, He's not like these other
Speaker 2: husbands jockhed that you and I know watching the show,
Speaker 2: who loves the cameras, right, who wants to fame sometimes
Speaker 2: more than their wives.
Speaker 1: Right. Todd is not into it for that, And I.
Speaker 2: Think there's a huge possibility that Bronwin may have to
Speaker 2: make a choice between the show and her marriage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the only way they're going to work
Speaker 3: it out is if and I think obviously bron Won
Speaker 3: will get asked back on the show because she's phenomenal,
Speaker 3: and I mean, that's a no brainer. They're going to
Speaker 3: have to come to a thing where he's like, look,
Speaker 3: I'm not filming. I'll do a Harry Hamlin thing where
Speaker 3: you'll get maybe one scene of me coming out to
Speaker 3: the barbecue and giving you a kiss and bringing out
Speaker 3: the sausages and then going back inside, and that's it.
Speaker 3: And this is like your thing, and you can just
Speaker 3: do this without me involved, but do not talk about
Speaker 3: our marriage and don't talk about He seems to have
Speaker 3: a problem as well with she's made a storyline about
Speaker 3: I think her daughter not knowing the biological father, and
Speaker 3: he's very protective over that, and he doesn't seem to
Speaker 3: be a fan of that being turned into television fodder.
Speaker 3: So they're gonna have to come to an arrangement where
Speaker 3: it's like she's allowed to come back, but she doesn't
Speaker 3: show her home life, which of course, is going to
Speaker 3: put production in a bit of a pickle because they're like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, but they're making allowances for fucking Ronie. I mean,
Speaker 3: they're making those allowances for Jenna Lyons, who is I'm
Speaker 3: so boring and I feel like there's a lot I mean,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of people on Ronie that are keeping
Speaker 3: private stuff off there. So if they can do it
Speaker 3: for Ronie.
Speaker 2: You don't see any of their husbands and their dynamics.
Speaker 2: It's all about like the girls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yess so, yeah, that's what they're going to have
Speaker 3: to do. Or her marriage. She's going to ruin her
Speaker 3: marriage to be on television. It's like, you really got
Speaker 3: to think about is this what you want? Because look,
Speaker 3: if you're in a marriage that's not great and you're
Speaker 3: still young enough, and you're like, you know what, I
Speaker 3: could do this show for a few years, have fun
Speaker 3: and get some fame. I know that I'm going to
Speaker 3: get X amount when I get divorced. I'm still young
Speaker 3: enough to meet someone else. Okay, girl, But if you know,
Speaker 3: like you really have had a good marriage with this
Speaker 3: man for a really long time and he's taking care
Speaker 3: of you and you love each other, and you have
Speaker 3: have this family unit and he's a father figure to
Speaker 3: your child, do you really want to throw that away
Speaker 3: to being on the Real Housewives for a couple of years.
Speaker 3: I mean, you've already been on for one season and
Speaker 3: had fun, Like you can take one season and make
Speaker 3: like think of Liam McSweeney how big she was on
Speaker 3: her first season of Rony and then how much she
Speaker 3: was hated on the second Sea. If she had just
Speaker 3: left after the one season, she would like there would
Speaker 3: be a lot of doors open for her, you know,
Speaker 3: so you can make and even monic like, you can
Speaker 3: make a lot out of one season if you had
Speaker 3: that a good season, even like Tiffany Moon on Dallas.
Speaker 3: She was really popular for her one season and she
Speaker 3: got a lot of social media following from it, and
Speaker 3: like you see her at events and she pops up
Speaker 3: at things and stuff like Bromin. It's not that big
Speaker 3: of a deal to walk away after one year. Now
Speaker 3: as a viewer, I want her to stay, but I'm
Speaker 3: just talking about her personal life. Think about the cost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think so till because the thing is this,
Speaker 2: The thing is this in order for you to afford
Speaker 2: those are elaborate outfits that I love to see, Like
Speaker 2: the girl is dripped in in wealth, whether it's in
Speaker 2: her interview looks or in a scene or or pool side,
Speaker 2: like she always looks amazing unless you're gonna get half
Speaker 2: of this man's money. Because what did come out is
Speaker 2: did I get this right? Heat she did not sign
Speaker 2: a print up?
Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yeah?
Speaker 3: They did talk about that. I think she didn't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, so she could.
Speaker 2: Yeah you could, you know, but but but but unless listen,
Speaker 2: unless you're Diana Jenkins.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like I the reason why I'm not mad at Diana Jenkins.
Speaker 3: Honey, I love Diana.
Speaker 1: She said, I thought this will be fun and interesting.
Speaker 1: I brought them Elton John.
Speaker 2: I'm I have more money than all these girls combined
Speaker 2: times ten. And what I do respect about her is
Speaker 2: she had a very bad first season. When I say bad,
Speaker 2: I mean the audience perception of her. And she walked
Speaker 2: away so much so she didn't show up to the
Speaker 2: re union. Allegedly she had COVID. But I love the
Speaker 2: fact that she never once was on watching happas Live
Speaker 2: like I think she I think.
Speaker 1: I think Diana.
Speaker 2: Jenkins realized this isn't worth it and I would rather
Speaker 2: live my wealthy life without cameras and brawent. You're gonna
Speaker 2: have to ask yourself that question if you are served
Speaker 2: with some sort of automatum.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, with Diana. I won't say who, but
Speaker 3: I talked to one of the cast members that was
Speaker 3: friends with Diana, and it kind of filled me in
Speaker 3: on die the thing with Diane. I loved Diana. I
Speaker 3: thought she was so good, but like she was not.
Speaker 3: She wasn't playing the game, like she wasn't letting people
Speaker 3: produce her, and she wasn't playing the game. She was like,
Speaker 3: I am gonna behave exactly as I would in real life.
Speaker 3: And that's why when she suck because something is a
Speaker 3: fucking mess Like I love Stan, but someton is so messy,
Speaker 3: and Suton plays the game and pokes and stuff, and
Speaker 3: like when she had that sit down with Sutton and
Speaker 3: Sutton's apologizing and Diana wouldn't take it. It's like, obviously,
Speaker 3: if you're on a television show with someone, it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: conflict resolution, that's the formula. But Diana's just like, no, bitch,
Speaker 3: Like if you did this to me in real life,
Speaker 3: it would be like one and done and I would
Speaker 3: move on. And like she so I thought there was
Speaker 3: something just like so real about Diana. But you know,
Speaker 3: the audience didn't play well with the audience, and you
Speaker 3: know it's probably not great for TV. But and can
Speaker 3: I ask you one thing real quick, what is your
Speaker 3: take on even just like a quick take on the
Speaker 3: current season of Potomac, because I fucking love the new
Speaker 3: season of Potomac. I think it's so good. It's so good,
Speaker 3: it's so fun, it's so good.
Speaker 2: It's it's a much lighter season, it's not dark. I'm
Speaker 2: loving Stacy.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Stacy's and I know Stacy's a fucking icon,
Speaker 3: like obsessed.
Speaker 2: Tell me, okay, I want to knock you and the
Speaker 2: beauty of our friendship. We agree a lot and we
Speaker 2: disagree a lot, but we do respectfully. Can you tell
Speaker 2: me the moment you fell in love with Stacey? Because
Speaker 2: I have the moment what I said, Oh, she's a
Speaker 2: star and I'm gonna ride for her.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, But do you know.
Speaker 3: This is the second I mean the second she opened
Speaker 3: her mouth with that weird news rate of voice, Like
Speaker 3: I was like, there is just something sometimes it's just
Speaker 3: like you just instantly love a housewife and you kin'd
Speaker 3: of even put your finger on it. You just like,
Speaker 3: she's it. She's that girl, no said say to you.
Speaker 2: The moment I was like, it's official, I love this
Speaker 2: woman is she was in her interview chair and she's
Speaker 2: recapping the scene that she's and about the revelation that
Speaker 2: me is a stripper, and she goes, yeah, the allegations
Speaker 2: about strippers, and so Waite was me a stripper?
Speaker 1: Oh she was a stripper? Well, I mean okay.
Speaker 2: Like like so innocent, so like, well, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: have her back, and it goes to show you this,
Speaker 2: you don't have to be over the top to be interesting.
Speaker 2: Stacy is not loud, she's not aggressive, she's not trying
Speaker 2: to be the moment.
Speaker 1: She is so.
Speaker 2: Like and when I say this is the compliment, So
Speaker 2: this is not negative. But I like her wackiness and
Speaker 2: her aloofness and it works for her, and it's working
Speaker 2: for a Potomac. And dare I say, you know, this
Speaker 2: is my favorite season a long time because I don't
Speaker 2: have to watch a season where women are in the
Speaker 2: same room and then.
Speaker 1: Not speaking to each other. That drives me nuts.
Speaker 2: And I like the fact that they're playing on the
Speaker 2: comedy more and I'm here for it.
Speaker 3: It was like the producers know exactly who I mean.
Speaker 3: I love Candice and I did like, I mean, Robin
Speaker 3: should have gone because of the stuff she was hiding
Speaker 3: from the show. But like they knew exactly who to
Speaker 3: take out, and then clearly there was a conversation between
Speaker 3: production and the women, and then I think the women
Speaker 3: amongst themselves to be like, we need to tone it down,
Speaker 3: we need to be less toxic. We don't want to
Speaker 3: end up like New Jersey. So like Wendy, who I
Speaker 3: think is so annoying, and just like I can hardly
Speaker 3: even bear to watch Wendy, Like she's toned it down
Speaker 3: so much this season where she's actually just like really likable,
Speaker 3: Like she's still Wendy, but like she's it's just a
Speaker 3: more chill Wendy, and it's like, good, you're not being
Speaker 3: so extra, you're not doing the like TikTok thing and
Speaker 3: you know, coming in with your contrived stuff. And then
Speaker 3: Giselle is like Gizelle, still being Gizelle, still being messy
Speaker 3: and shady, but it's not to like a level where
Speaker 3: it's like crazy, and like, you know, Karen's still Karen,
Speaker 3: but I feel like she's not Karen likes to hide
Speaker 3: a lot of things, but she's sort of being a
Speaker 3: little bit more open by Karen and standards and everyone
Speaker 3: just like gets it and they want to make a
Speaker 3: good show and they're just having more fun and the
Speaker 3: personal story is great. And then like I loved when
Speaker 3: Stacy came up to ask Karen about the duy and
Speaker 3: she's like, do I need to be concerned about you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm so serious about She was so but what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. She was so concerned. She's like, I'm hearing things.
Speaker 1: Should I be concerned that you're going to rehab? And
Speaker 1: you know, she like means it.
Speaker 2: And the best part, I'm laughing the entire time. It
Speaker 2: was funny and it wasn't meant to be funny. And
Speaker 2: that's why Stacy is a great housewife because look, it's
Speaker 2: giving Potomac this sort of like makeover in terms of
Speaker 2: like what the future of the show can be and
Speaker 2: between Jazzy Stacy, kk.
Speaker 1: Mia coming in, you know this.
Speaker 2: I think her fourth season is now, but it's sort
Speaker 2: of like there's this new flavor in town and I
Speaker 2: don't want them to mess it up.
Speaker 1: I feel like this was was.
Speaker 2: A smart move to bring the audience something new. And
Speaker 2: I'm an advocate for this show being watched by millions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think the ratings have actually been good
Speaker 3: and from what I'm seeing online, like the audience feedback
Speaker 3: is pretty good. And I think they played this season
Speaker 3: really smart as well, because a lot of us had
Speaker 3: very low expectations. And when I saw the trailer, I
Speaker 3: didn't like the trailer at all. I thought the trailer
Speaker 3: was so boring and I was like, oh, me too. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is gonna be like this
Speaker 3: is unwatchable, Like how did this go from being you know,
Speaker 3: it was like the best Housewives show in sort of
Speaker 3: season like three and four around then It's like I
Speaker 3: went from being the best of being the worst. And
Speaker 3: I think I only even watched the premieu. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: I need something to talk about on Patreon this week,
Speaker 3: so let me watch it. And I'm like, wait, this good.
Speaker 3: And now it's like my favorite, Like it's the one
Speaker 3: that I'm literally like looking forward to watching the most
Speaker 3: because I just know it's gonna be like funny, it's
Speaker 3: gonna be shade. And did I tell you that I
Speaker 3: saw Karen Hugo at a party and I hung out
Speaker 3: with her. She was by herself at the US Weekly
Speaker 3: party by herself. Yes, Karen by herself. I didn't see
Speaker 3: her drink by the way, I asked her, do you
Speaker 3: want me to get you a cocktail? She goes, no,
Speaker 3: it's fine, and she was sitting there alone and this
Speaker 3: was like, there's a lot of people there. Later on,
Speaker 3: she actually spent the rest of the night with Monica,
Speaker 3: which was so funny seeing them together. But there was
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, like reality people. That was
Speaker 3: like there were not any de Fiance people, Bravo people,
Speaker 3: Bachelor people. And Karen came and she was sitting by herself,
Speaker 3: and I had, you know, had a few drinks and
Speaker 3: then I was like, oh, should I go over and
Speaker 3: chat to Karen? And yeah. I went down there and
Speaker 3: was like and I told her, I said, girl, I
Speaker 3: thought the trailer was so boring, but I just watched
Speaker 3: the premiere and it was so good and you guys
Speaker 3: are killing it. And she was so nice. She told
Speaker 3: me she's working on a new fragrance to follow up
Speaker 3: to La Dame. And the reason that I ended up
Speaker 3: leaving her was because the music was really loud and
Speaker 3: she wasn't talking loud enough, and it's like I kind
Speaker 3: of couldn't hear what she was saying, so I started
Speaker 3: doing the thing you know, when like you can't hear
Speaker 3: someone properly and you're just like smiling and nodding, pretending
Speaker 3: you know what they're saying. I was doing that for
Speaker 3: like ten minutes with Karen, and then eventually I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: it was nice hang out with you by and left
Speaker 3: her alone over there until Monica rescued her. But she
Speaker 3: was lovely. I was surprised. I thought she might be
Speaker 3: more aloof but she was very nice.
Speaker 1: Oh no, Karen.
Speaker 2: I've had the pleasure of meaning Karen, Giselle, Robin, me
Speaker 2: uh I, and Athlee, and I have to say they're
Speaker 2: all nice, Like all of them were so nice and
Speaker 2: just so like fun to be around. So I'm not
Speaker 2: surprised that Karen was like that. I almost shocked that
Speaker 2: she's by herself, I felt, because she is the grand dom.
Speaker 2: And I'm also I also love hearing that, you know,
Speaker 2: like you said you didn't see her drink anything, and
Speaker 2: you offered her a cocktail she said no, thank you.
Speaker 2: So I think that just says a lot to Karen's journey.
Speaker 2: And again I'm not here judging her what her journey
Speaker 2: looks like. Only she knows what she what that looks
Speaker 2: like for her. But it is nice to hear that
Speaker 2: versus the other stories we're.
Speaker 1: Hearing on the show.
Speaker 2: So look, I love the fact that you and I
Speaker 2: are able to spend more than an hour talking about
Speaker 2: what we did oc Teddy's drama, Potomac, sal Leg City.
Speaker 2: We brought up some of New York stuff, but we
Speaker 2: probably let you go. We probably let you go. Real
Speaker 2: Housewaves in New York City is having.
Speaker 3: Not great season, I mean, the worst season in housewives
Speaker 3: history possibly.
Speaker 2: And a lot of people have been saying that a
Speaker 2: lot of people have been saying that last question for you,
Speaker 2: was this reboot a mistake?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely. It is so bad and it's funny watching
Speaker 3: like watching Potomac. That shows how you make a show light,
Speaker 3: Like that's light done right, like when you lighten up
Speaker 3: a show and make it fun. And they obviously with
Speaker 3: Ronnie they're like, yeah, let's make Ronnie light again. And
Speaker 3: they went so far in the other direction where it
Speaker 3: is so boring. I mean, you've got that what's the
Speaker 3: annoying one that's always like horny and floating with Brin
Speaker 3: and she's just lying on camera to make drama like
Speaker 3: she's just going, oh, this one said that about you
Speaker 3: and it never happened. And then they just laugh about
Speaker 3: it like nothing is happening. What I think they should
Speaker 3: do is I think they should do. I mean, look,
Speaker 3: I think they should just cancel it, but they won't
Speaker 3: because it's like it has too much of a legacy name.
Speaker 3: Whereas I feel like I feel like it probably does
Speaker 3: okay like streaming wise, like internationally and everything just overall
Speaker 3: because of their brand of Rony. But I think between
Speaker 3: this season and next season, I think they should do
Speaker 3: an Ultimate Girls Trip with the old a mix of
Speaker 3: the old cast and the new cast. And I just
Speaker 3: think that would be fun and I think it would
Speaker 3: kind of like it would show us maybe a different
Speaker 3: side of some of the new Girls. And then I
Speaker 3: think going into the third season, it needs a major
Speaker 3: retooling because it's just not working. I know that Bravaro
Speaker 3: probably doesn't want to go backwards and bring back, you know,
Speaker 3: old people, but they've got to do something because it's
Speaker 3: so bad.
Speaker 2: That's the only I think that's the only way it
Speaker 2: can work. I think you have to bring back someone OG's.
Speaker 2: I think you have to sort of one thing Rob
Speaker 2: was fantastic at is always surprising us with great.
Speaker 1: Changes. You know.
Speaker 2: Look, I think the Valley is a good example of
Speaker 2: a show that came back with some complicated and controversial
Speaker 2: stars and people love the show. So I think it's
Speaker 2: time to bring some of the oji's back. I think
Speaker 2: Luanne is great, Sonya's great.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't hang out with like, it's not their friend group.
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. That's the thing. I think. This
Speaker 2: is my opinion. I think you're rid of all the
Speaker 2: new girls. I'm just I'm not interested in any of
Speaker 2: their personal stories and I'm not invested, do you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like, I yeah, there's not one of
Speaker 2: them and they're all like great people.
Speaker 1: So that's that.
Speaker 2: But as a viewer, I'm not rushing home to watch
Speaker 2: something that I just can't get enough of.
Speaker 1: They don't have that ability to carry the show anymore.
Speaker 3: What they kind of needed. I mean, obviously this could
Speaker 3: never happen because she's suing Bravo. If Leah had ensued Bravo,
Speaker 3: I really think that, Like if you're just throwing Lea
Speaker 3: in the first season, I think, and maybe like one
Speaker 3: other one, like if you just kept like I mean,
Speaker 3: I know that Tinsley's left, but it was just like
Speaker 3: Lea and Luan or something, and then some of these
Speaker 3: new girls, like Ci, I think is good. I think
Speaker 3: Aaron's good, Like I think they could have made it work.
Speaker 3: They just needed I don't know, but it's it's just bad.
Speaker 3: And some of the girls are interesting on their own,
Speaker 3: Like I actually do think that Aaron. I do like Aaron,
Speaker 3: and I do like Ci. I think they're kind of
Speaker 3: the two breakouts, but the rest can go. I mean,
Speaker 3: Brin girl, like I cannot.
Speaker 2: I love brand first season, but I think what happened
Speaker 2: is which happens with a lot of girls. She became
Speaker 2: a caricature of herself because she played up into what
Speaker 2: the audience wanted to see or what she thought they
Speaker 2: wanted to see, and she wasn't being herself. And that's
Speaker 2: sort of like the destruction of a second season reality star.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's I mean, I'm very curious just to see,
Speaker 3: from like a business production standpoint, what are you guys
Speaker 3: going to do? Because they can't just bring this cast
Speaker 3: back for a third season, Like the ratings are in
Speaker 3: the toilet and everyone hates it, so like they're going
Speaker 3: to do something, I just have no idea what it
Speaker 3: will be. And it's just the roney Ogs. They're kind
Speaker 3: of too old to mix with this crowd except Leah
Speaker 3: who's suing Bravo or Ebonie. Like Lea and Ebnie aren't
Speaker 3: coming back, So.
Speaker 1: What do you do?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, well look, you and I will be
Speaker 2: the first one to talk about it once a decision
Speaker 2: is made. So thank you Jock Bird stepping into the
Speaker 2: podcast to talk to me once again. Let the rain
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Speaker 3: Yes, follow me on Instagram, guys at Popular JP and
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Speaker 3: so if you want to like, leave comments, so leave
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Speaker 3: Thanks guys, All.
Speaker 2: Right, thank you Jock and I'll see you the next time.
Speaker 3: Bye.
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