Speaker 1: Forever, look may oh, I see you? Why why? And
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that nulture? Yeah? Goodness? Let
Speaker 1: ding calling little lilt. We were discussing catch phrases, new catchphrases,
Speaker 1: and I don't have any, but you seem to be
Speaker 1: working with some new things. I'm always loving the opportunity
Speaker 1: to have a platform for the new catchphrase. And now
Speaker 1: I'm loving two new ones that I've noticed you using. Well,
Speaker 1: one that I noticed you using and one that you
Speaker 1: told me that you've been using lately. So the one
Speaker 1: that I've noticed you using is saying, well, the headline
Speaker 1: is blank, so I was just sure, but this is
Speaker 1: I I can't attribute that to me. It's just something
Speaker 1: I've picked up. I love. It's not a creation. That's okay,
Speaker 1: You're you're propagating it. So you're saying, like, um, whatever,
Speaker 1: brunch was fine, but the headline is the mimosas were great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And like that's an example. And then the other one,
Speaker 1: can you know, the one is everyone when something is
Speaker 1: shaking your world. So, for example, we'll talk about Camilla's
Speaker 1: new album. All right, So I arrived at the studio
Speaker 1: today and I've been listening to new Camilla and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm gagged. I actually have to come out today as
Speaker 1: a Camilla's fan. So what I would say about this
Speaker 1: new album is when I listened to it, I would
Speaker 1: say the word all rock has been used. She's given
Speaker 1: me some almost alternative rock wisps in her new music.
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. What are your references like? Like, feel
Speaker 1: she's serving you some atlantis? Oh, I feel like she
Speaker 1: has made a turn away from and this is again
Speaker 1: so that the headline is the thing I'm saying is
Speaker 1: the word blank has been used. Okay, so the word
Speaker 1: breakout has been stop. But this is so this is
Speaker 1: the little brag from my girl, just a literal alert.
Speaker 1: This is the this is the new catch the word
Speaker 1: the word the word blank has been the word blank
Speaker 1: has been now moving out to Camilla, which is culture. Yes,
Speaker 1: just what this podcast we should be talking we should
Speaker 1: be talking about it. I just want to say Camilla
Speaker 1: is saying both her performances at SNL were I'm sorry
Speaker 1: but giving you acting. Okay, we can talk about her wardrobe,
Speaker 1: we can talk about it, but in terms of the
Speaker 1: musical content, it's it's good we're being served and we're
Speaker 1: also it's it's risky stuff. For me. It feels very
Speaker 1: emotional and lyrical and almost like pop rocky. But listen,
Speaker 1: that's what she was giving you on her eponymous album,
Speaker 1: her debut solo album. I mean, never be the Same
Speaker 1: and Never Be the Same is so good, Such a
Speaker 1: slow simmer of a song that just like grows and grows,
Speaker 1: and oh it's so thick and juice. I feel even
Speaker 1: a progression on this. Do you know the song speechless?
Speaker 1: That song is be good and easy is easy, is
Speaker 1: very good, not to be tampered, not to be tampered with.
Speaker 1: And wow, I mean what I mean? Yeah, I are
Speaker 1: we standing Chamilla in this house? So anyway, those are
Speaker 1: the headlines. It's been a long time since we've recorded
Speaker 1: you and I hear sitting together. We have backlog, we've backlodged,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think we've um backlog and and
Speaker 1: the listeners are a little upset. But we but here,
Speaker 1: we are, here, we are and we will we will
Speaker 1: have this worked out. I think we have proposed solutions
Speaker 1: to each other that I think, well, everyone will be
Speaker 1: very happy way, so don't you worry about that. And
Speaker 1: can I tell you what the headline is from me
Speaker 1: in l A driving okay, behind the wheel of a car,
Speaker 1: and it's not good. It's dangerous. Okay, Okay, let's let's
Speaker 1: get into this. But I just want to say that
Speaker 1: that is not the best use of that phrase. The
Speaker 1: headline is driving driving, that's great. So are you good
Speaker 1: at it? Are you bad at it? What are your
Speaker 1: what are your habits? What do you like to do?
Speaker 1: What's your what's your comfortable point? My habit is panicking.
Speaker 1: So I'm in a habit of every time I get
Speaker 1: in the car being like, well, this year, here we go,
Speaker 1: and I do have a full ask license. I don't
Speaker 1: want anyone to be concerned. I am legally allowed to
Speaker 1: be there. It's just that, like, you know, let's just
Speaker 1: say I don't always know that I can make a
Speaker 1: turn onto a street. I just I'm doing it, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Does that make sense? Like
Speaker 1: if there's a if there's a red light, and I'm
Speaker 1: trained to turn right on red, I don't know some
Speaker 1: cities and cities haven't figured out what the situation is
Speaker 1: with l A, but I am turning right on red.
Speaker 1: I think if you're in a part of town where
Speaker 1: the buildings are more than ten stories tall. I think
Speaker 1: what I think you can't? No, no, no, this is
Speaker 1: my arbitrary made up okay, because for all I know,
Speaker 1: that could be really And I'm like, what, like I
Speaker 1: just learned that you can't park where there's a red
Speaker 1: paint on the sidewalk. What the fund is this? That's
Speaker 1: what it means. That's that's thenation. But it's Um, I
Speaker 1: feel like in a heavily in a dense urban area,
Speaker 1: you can't make right turns on red Okay, So I
Speaker 1: think that should be your rule of thumb. But just
Speaker 1: I just turned. I can't drive without turning on the ways.
Speaker 1: As long as you have ways, it won't, it'll it'll.
Speaker 1: I have my and you know, luckily my whatever device.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm using a Google like drive Directions regular app.
Speaker 1: So maybe I shouldn't. Maybe I should get a better one,
Speaker 1: Maybe I should get ways. And all I know is
Speaker 1: the woman who's talking to me from the phone, Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh this gives me enough time, Like it's like you
Speaker 1: need to turn right here. I always have enough time.
Speaker 1: And I'm thankful to that woman, who we'll call Allison. Allison. Um,
Speaker 1: I think you'll get better at it. I think it's
Speaker 1: something that people acqual It's a skill that people acquire
Speaker 1: through through time and practice. Um, please be careful, I'm going.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm extraordinarily careful. Parting is very much a thing.
Speaker 1: But I'm here in one piece. And can I tell
Speaker 1: you what they don't have in l A. They don't
Speaker 1: have our guests. They don't have our guests, and they
Speaker 1: are talking about it. They don't have our guests, are
Speaker 1: they really? Because you go into some piste off queens
Speaker 1: who are like, please give us songs with damn lyrics?
Speaker 1: Do you want to know? And they're but they're also
Speaker 1: just saying the vibe is not present in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, I know it's not shade. It's just
Speaker 1: a stating of the facts that, like, you don't have
Speaker 1: parties like but you know what that in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: you do not be Also in New York you don't
Speaker 1: have parties like let's say ospin Off where they sell
Speaker 1: giant slices of watermelon outside. We love, we love, and
Speaker 1: we stand. But it's it's it's not I mean, nothing
Speaker 1: can compare. Nothing. Talked about how much fun we had
Speaker 1: this year at Pride. This year at Pride we had.
Speaker 1: That was one of the best parties I've ever been to. Mind,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say superlative, the funnest night of my life.
Speaker 1: Our guest is a working entertainer. It was the funnest
Speaker 1: night of my life. It was all the people I
Speaker 1: cared about and loved in one place. It wasn't even
Speaker 1: about like, you know, debauchrous behavior or sex or anything.
Speaker 1: I truly like joy. It was pure joy. I was
Speaker 1: so it was just so so fun And there's and
Speaker 1: like there was such a history around the party, Devil's
Speaker 1: Playground and bringing it to Webster Hall and like bringing
Speaker 1: sort of that back into Webster Hall with like this
Speaker 1: queer uh he's sort of like uh funnel like Athos.
Speaker 1: Truly truly truly got like I get emotional thinking about it,
Speaker 1: and also just talk about music that you hear and
Speaker 1: you're like he turned to someone on your side and
Speaker 1: you go, who is this fag? This which you know?
Speaker 1: I am Madison the Third I don't know a better DJ.
Speaker 1: The moment moment of Devil's Playground, both Pride and Back
Speaker 1: to School was him playing who do you Think You Are?
Speaker 1: By Spice Girls and all of us, O, my God,
Speaker 1: this song. It's it's you. It's a gift to be
Speaker 1: able to pull out of thin there the next song
Speaker 1: that you know what I mean, like you in your
Speaker 1: heart knew it was the next song. And I'll tell
Speaker 1: you something. You take to the feeling into emotion by Mariah.
Speaker 1: You can't be the gag every time you hear since
Speaker 1: you've been gone in a set the gag. I literally
Speaker 1: it'll be a since you bring up will come on.
Speaker 1: Everyone will drop their arms and all my friends that
Speaker 1: know me will look at me and I'll just go
Speaker 1: I'll just not like that. I'm telling them I'm okay.
Speaker 1: And Ty has our guest, has facilitated that for you. Okay.
Speaker 1: So it's Devil's Playground and Webster Halt to come back
Speaker 1: on Valentine's Um Love Prism at three dollar Bill Gay
Speaker 1: Flower in the summertime themed Booze Cruises basically um Circle
Speaker 1: line and oh my God, what else means? Heaven on
Speaker 1: Earth truly take over? Uh, It's New York Knite life
Speaker 1: is going through newyr gay Knight life is going through
Speaker 1: a moment right now, and even even like I was
Speaker 1: gonna say say even but like Susan Barsht esque s
Speaker 1: but like of that, of that DNA. It's it's all
Speaker 1: glooming back in this way. That's very exciting that everyone
Speaker 1: feels a part of an included um and good about
Speaker 1: it and good about it um. So we're so happy
Speaker 1: to have our guests and talk the name, know the name.
Speaker 1: Please welcome to your ears. Tie Sunderland Tie is called We.
Speaker 1: We saw Tie at Webster Hall for Back to School
Speaker 1: Devil's Playground and we said you have to come on
Speaker 1: the pot and then Tie says the thing that I
Speaker 1: will never forget. He goes, oh, I have to you
Speaker 1: guys are gay hardball and we laughed. In days it's
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of things going on. Everyone's talking.
Speaker 1: It's like culture culture, culture, Like it's like really loud.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, this is gay hard I mean I
Speaker 1: thought I thought about like what gay hardball would actually
Speaker 1: be if I actually were Christ Matthews, like asking Kelly
Speaker 1: on Convery, how do your bottom hardball? In that way?
Speaker 1: But I'm happy that that's I'm happy that Chris Matthews
Speaker 1: isn't here. I don't trust him to ask you those questions. No, no,
Speaker 1: of course not. I trust Bowen, but not in that
Speaker 1: abrasive way. No, but that's Chris Matthew's Christ Matthews ERG,
Speaker 1: that's Chris Matthew's energy tie. Um, how was however these
Speaker 1: past two weeks both weeks I meant to I bought tickets. Um,
Speaker 1: I meant to go oh sorry I um oh no,
Speaker 1: I didn't buy tickets for Love Prison, but I unceremoniously
Speaker 1: damn you and was like, hey, I might be able
Speaker 1: to come up. I may roll through. I may roll through. Um,
Speaker 1: how are they? How are the last two parties? They
Speaker 1: were amazing? Great? Yeah? I mean how is orange? Orange? Was?
Speaker 1: It was a nice move orange, Like you know the
Speaker 1: colors for Love Prison. Every time more and more people
Speaker 1: are wearing the color, and like orange is such a bright,
Speaker 1: chaotic energy. It was, yes, yes, but it was like
Speaker 1: very chaotic, and I was like, I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: a lot of people are in orange, and like who
Speaker 1: owns orange? Honestly I own some orange items, but it's
Speaker 1: truly once in a year moment that you wear anything.
Speaker 1: Right right next when it's gold, that will be fun, yes,
Speaker 1: because I was going to do yellow but liked because
Speaker 1: once you've done yellow, you can't do gold exactly. Oh
Speaker 1: that's not true. I believe it is, but I mean
Speaker 1: by the time you've done yellow, you want to move
Speaker 1: on to something else, right, right, right? I live in
Speaker 1: the same family. Okay, that's true, And we're doing gold
Speaker 1: and I think that will be I think people will
Speaker 1: turn out with their gold stuff. And then there's a
Speaker 1: Navy one beginning of next year because and then I
Speaker 1: will be doing a full spectrum party. It's like a
Speaker 1: full of colors. I want to do like a warehouse function.
Speaker 1: Now I would say that you have some you have
Speaker 1: one party for like every kind of scale of group
Speaker 1: of people. Does that make sense? Is that? Like that's
Speaker 1: that's all intentional? Right? How do you program out your
Speaker 1: own stuff? Like? Is that? Um? I just try to
Speaker 1: be like diversify as much as I can. Like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to be the one pop d J. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be like the house guy. I want
Speaker 1: to be doing a bit of everything. Great finger in
Speaker 1: every pot? Okay? And what what? What pots are there
Speaker 1: that have no fingers in them? Well? That's like literally
Speaker 1: what I was looking around when I started like coming
Speaker 1: up with my own parties. After having on Earth with
Speaker 1: such a success, I was like, well, what else is it?
Speaker 1: Happening because there's no like big pop party. It's either
Speaker 1: you're in like a big rave setting listening to house
Speaker 1: music and techno, or you're in the basement of monster
Speaker 1: right on like a broken sound system. You know how
Speaker 1: much communication is there between you and the space of
Speaker 1: like what kind of vibe? Just say, like you come
Speaker 1: in and do your I literally rent out the space
Speaker 1: and no questions are asked. Wow, I was wondering about that,
Speaker 1: But then I've been I've seen you on the day
Speaker 1: or the week of an event, let's say Devil's Playground,
Speaker 1: and it seems like you approach it with the same
Speaker 1: kind of creative anxiety that like we would like a
Speaker 1: show that is nowhere near as big as a Webster
Speaker 1: Hall of thing. But it's like no, But that's what
Speaker 1: I mean when I say you're an entertainer like that,
Speaker 1: you are like facilitating and controlling that environment. So that
Speaker 1: is a huge show. That is a huge entertainment responsibility.
Speaker 1: The day of Pride, I was in Mobile. I could
Speaker 1: not walk, I couldn't like I was catrified. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean it's such a big space and like being there
Speaker 1: all day doing setup, I was like I have to
Speaker 1: deja on this fucking stage, you know, Like it's one
Speaker 1: thing to like produce the party, but then I have
Speaker 1: to perform, yeah, and like I have to be introducing
Speaker 1: like these acts and stuff, and I'm like my big
Speaker 1: thing is like, how am I going to introduce Kim?
Speaker 1: Like like you know, no, not many people know she's performing,
Speaker 1: and like I'm like, I don't. I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to introduce her. I'm not going to say who's
Speaker 1: coming out on stage? Right, And you didn't. You didn't
Speaker 1: say anything. She just came out. I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, please make someone for the next performer, like
Speaker 1: like and she trotted herself and I was like, I
Speaker 1: want everyone to know that it's Kim when they hear
Speaker 1: the beginning of I don't know, I don't, like I mean,
Speaker 1: and then she just comes out to that and that's
Speaker 1: like wow, Yeah, it's like drama and I really appreciate that,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's got such a flow, it does have
Speaker 1: a narrative, it's it's so much fun. Honestly, there really
Speaker 1: is something to just like when the when the song
Speaker 1: shifts to those next iconic moments of a song, that's
Speaker 1: when you really realize, like those opening moments of a
Speaker 1: pop song are hugely important, and the iconography of that
Speaker 1: song where everyone's keys into it and they're like whoa, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know that's that's just what it felt like
Speaker 1: all night. And I used to stay to that and
Speaker 1: that's very incredible, now, was it. No, this is what
Speaker 1: Josh told me. Della's playground a party at Webster Hall.
Speaker 1: Drag party Webster Hall in the twenties. Yes, so um.
Speaker 1: They used to have a drag party at Webster Hall
Speaker 1: a hundred years ago and it was the only place
Speaker 1: in the city that you could see drag really and
Speaker 1: so it was nicknamed the Devil's Playground. And so when
Speaker 1: I was going through the history Webster and like coming
Speaker 1: up with, like, you know, my idea, my manager was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, it used to be called Devil's playground,
Speaker 1: like when they had their gay parties there. But you
Speaker 1: can't call it Devil's playground because I know you you're
Speaker 1: just gonna go around calling it a a d P. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, um, okay, well, I guess we're calling
Speaker 1: a Devil's playground. Because I was looking for an abbreviation.
Speaker 1: I wanted loves and I mean we are we are
Speaker 1: in for all types of purposes. LC. By the way,
Speaker 1: there is a there's Mimosa material in front of us
Speaker 1: and I forgot to pop it. So this is what
Speaker 1: I'll say, one, two, three, and I'm this still makes
Speaker 1: me nervous to this day. Just do it. Here we go, baby,
Speaker 1: that will always make me nervous. And now I'm going
Speaker 1: to service the mimosas. But yes, resume thoughts on Camilla
Speaker 1: h talk honestly, okay, um, I don't think I really
Speaker 1: have an opinion about her, like really, for like, in
Speaker 1: terms of playing her music, I like playing Havana, but
Speaker 1: that's really it because it's the only song that's been
Speaker 1: iconic so far. I mean, even just stuff that works
Speaker 1: in club space is like you know Miley for example,
Speaker 1: like her new album was you can't play any of
Speaker 1: that in the club on a role which had no
Speaker 1: promotion whatsoever. You play now at a gay bar, everyone
Speaker 1: freaked the fox out. It's like the first five seconds
Speaker 1: of that song. And if it's like you know it's coming,
Speaker 1: you know it's already a classic. I mean that's that
Speaker 1: is the vibe whenever it comes on. But like this,
Speaker 1: this is the thing. It's like there's no telling, at
Speaker 1: least for the gays. There's no like proportion of like
Speaker 1: promotional muscle behind a song or like an artist or
Speaker 1: an album. Two The response, I guess does that make sense?
Speaker 1: I just it does. I just feel like it's so
Speaker 1: funny to me that, like it's obvious to me that
Speaker 1: she must not care about making that kind of music
Speaker 1: right now, she's genuinely making music that she wants to
Speaker 1: make because it's so easy for her to just be
Speaker 1: involved with something that is that level. By the way, cheers,
Speaker 1: it is Sunday. The is our brunch. Will nothing else truly,
Speaker 1: I mean I could right. I'm curious about ties schedule,
Speaker 1: sleep schedule, what is whatever. It's all over the place, honestly,
Speaker 1: because like Tuesdays and Wednesdays, I work late, so like
Speaker 1: I'll get home like four, and I'll be bed by
Speaker 1: five weekends random, but and then like Sunday, Monday, Thursday,
Speaker 1: I'm hopefully in bed by midnight. So it's like you're
Speaker 1: doing you're doing a seven a m or yeah, but
Speaker 1: then but then on the other evening, but then you
Speaker 1: wake up at like noon or what like two. Okay.
Speaker 1: I love my sleep, and I think that is like
Speaker 1: everyone always thinks I'm much younger than I actually am,
Speaker 1: and it's fully because I get ten hours and there
Speaker 1: you go. That is crucial. Yeah, that is crucial. Wait
Speaker 1: where you would were you? Were you at in my U? No,
Speaker 1: but you went to school here in New York. I
Speaker 1: went to school at Purchase in Westchester amazing. Yeah, my
Speaker 1: parents would't let me go to school in the city
Speaker 1: because I said I'd be out every night. And they're
Speaker 1: not wrong. Where they where? They would you always from
Speaker 1: high school age? Where you going out? Where did you
Speaker 1: grow up? I grew up in Florida, so like I
Speaker 1: grew up like going to house parties and stuff. But
Speaker 1: like pretty much the second I turned eighteen, I was
Speaker 1: like into music, playing music, producing music, like going to raves.
Speaker 1: Like I I've always been about it. The culture culture.
Speaker 1: I guess that must have been something accessible in Florida.
Speaker 1: But it's very accessible. I mean there's like dance music
Speaker 1: on the radio, so like that's how I actually started
Speaker 1: djaying was because when I went to Purchase, there were
Speaker 1: no parties where you could hear dance music. Everyone was
Speaker 1: like sitting around listening like a Yeah, I was like, no,
Speaker 1: this isn't for me. I was like, I'm just going
Speaker 1: to throw my own parties. And then I couldn't find
Speaker 1: a DJ. I was like, Okay, I guess I have
Speaker 1: to do it too. And so was it just as
Speaker 1: simple as like let me put some playlists together, and
Speaker 1: like you started that way fully, Yeah, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: let me put my iPod on, you know when everyone
Speaker 1: needs to just plugging an ox. Yeah, that's like what
Speaker 1: I do a partis like this music sucks? Can I
Speaker 1: put some music on? And then I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: you're really good at you a DJ? And I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: this is just like what I listened to see. You've
Speaker 1: always been good at that. To the you'r a playlist queen,
Speaker 1: and I like like making them. I don't always make
Speaker 1: good ones. I don't know, yeah, but they always come
Speaker 1: from you, you know what I mean? Like I always
Speaker 1: think it's it's almost it's almost well it is. It's
Speaker 1: like whenever you're like writing something, it's like it's like
Speaker 1: that's like a little. If they're really good, they can
Speaker 1: be like entertainment. It's it's a little, it's it's a
Speaker 1: form of expression. Absolutely, Yeah, playlist start. I don't I
Speaker 1: also love your names for playlists. Yes, I'll be I'll say, well,
Speaker 1: no they're not like too clever. Sometimes they try to
Speaker 1: sometimes they try to be too clever. This I'm I
Speaker 1: feel very vulnerable right now talking about it is a
Speaker 1: vulnerable thing because that's the thing too. It's like when
Speaker 1: people are listening to your stuff, it's like your taste,
Speaker 1: and so if they're not to respond to something that
Speaker 1: has to be like a moment, you're basically saying like,
Speaker 1: this is what I like people are, and people can
Speaker 1: be like, oh well this is like yeah, you have
Speaker 1: awful taste. Well then okay, so then let's lock us
Speaker 1: through different parties where you'll do like okay. So so
Speaker 1: DP is very much pop party, huge space. It's it's
Speaker 1: pop meets like big room classic anthems, you know, like
Speaker 1: like it's like you hold the pop stuff and then
Speaker 1: you're gonna hear like, um, you know, was it mad
Speaker 1: enough for me? Tony Braxton or like like um, how
Speaker 1: did you get here? Which which is the best song
Speaker 1: of all times? I mean it'd be hard to argue.
Speaker 1: It's pretty, it's pretty wild. And then but then for
Speaker 1: love President, you'll do like you'll do like um, disco
Speaker 1: e stuff. It's like disco leaning. House leaning is just
Speaker 1: like very joy based, how stuff that has vocals in it,
Speaker 1: you know, because like a lot of the parties in
Speaker 1: New York that playhouse music, it's like kind of dark.
Speaker 1: It's like dark energy, and it's like it's you know,
Speaker 1: there's different strokes for different folks. But I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to go to a party where I can
Speaker 1: just like feel joy, but not necessarily pop music. You know.
Speaker 1: I was like I was already doing pop music, Like
Speaker 1: how do I create that joy with different music? But
Speaker 1: it feels like we're still in a place where the
Speaker 1: music is on owns, no lyrics, no words, nothing to
Speaker 1: latch onto. And it's it's good for if you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: in a K hole. What I think they're for a
Speaker 1: certain vibe that is what it requires. Nine times out
Speaker 1: of ten. If I want to go out, I want
Speaker 1: to hear a damn song. Oh, I mean yes for us,
Speaker 1: I think like if this crowd and I love I
Speaker 1: love the Circuit Boys so much, but just be open
Speaker 1: to maybe dancing and sucking dick to a song with
Speaker 1: words in it. I don't know. I think the Last
Speaker 1: Love Prison they're definitely coming around. Like there was a
Speaker 1: lot of yeah, yeah, it's getting How does it make
Speaker 1: you feel, Um, I'm crossing over? Yes, yeah, there we
Speaker 1: go for everyone. Yeah, exactly what I don't This is
Speaker 1: just me not understanding how circuits work. I famously called
Speaker 1: poppy juice circuit party on this podcast. Um, and they
Speaker 1: gave me a short for it. But it's fine, Um,
Speaker 1: we make mistakes here, please, you have to forgive. We
Speaker 1: have a recursive duty. I would say that I would
Speaker 1: like I would say that, like, if you're going to
Speaker 1: cross over into circuit stuff, you're gonna have to like
Speaker 1: throw like a circuit destination party, wouldn't you or you
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to. But it's like, is that mean? I
Speaker 1: would love to. I would love to do like a
Speaker 1: big party somewhere else, you know. Well then I was
Speaker 1: going to ask because with this l A stuff, they
Speaker 1: want you they're bad because l A is happening. Can
Speaker 1: I just say l A is happening? But I heard
Speaker 1: about a rumor about a boat The boat is canceled
Speaker 1: because literally I did. I did a poll on Instagram.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, l A if I
Speaker 1: do a boat party, you guys gonna come or not.
Speaker 1: Everyone who said no lives in l A w whose ideas.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, like okay, but then I
Speaker 1: see it on the map. But I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Marina Delright is far from you. Sure it's harder to
Speaker 1: get them out there. Yeah, I mean like when West
Speaker 1: Hollywood is there, and when like even some stuff on
Speaker 1: the East Side is there, it's hard to get I
Speaker 1: think the gates to travel. Yeah, I mean it's not
Speaker 1: New York. You know, it's different. I mean, the boat's
Speaker 1: right there. But for l A, it's so weird because
Speaker 1: the center of gravity is his West Hollywood so much
Speaker 1: so it's like it's a it's a monopsy, which is
Speaker 1: different than a than a monopoly where it's just like
Speaker 1: one okay definition like one thing, like it's one thing
Speaker 1: has contains all of it rather than one thing whatever. Anyway, Um,
Speaker 1: I totally bift that. But I but it's like in
Speaker 1: New York it's fun because there's this whatever. It's it's
Speaker 1: more fragmented, it's more plural. It's like you can you
Speaker 1: can get different people from different crowds together, where I
Speaker 1: feel like in l A it's like you gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta like appeal to one specific sector of the population,
Speaker 1: and that is the only sector, and that is the
Speaker 1: biggest sector of the game in terms of the queer popular.
Speaker 1: It feels like there are West Hollywood gaze in their
Speaker 1: East Side gays for sure. Yeah, like that's just there's
Speaker 1: definitely more a fragmentation, whereas it's a little bit more.
Speaker 1: But also in New York there's like hell's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's really the same thing. Sort the number one
Speaker 1: thing is just the travel of it all, and you
Speaker 1: have to go to spaces that are big enough. But
Speaker 1: like you've have you been to a you know you've
Speaker 1: been of I haven't been to. Oh that's really fun.
Speaker 1: So I have done one party in l a last May,
Speaker 1: not this past May, the May before that, and I
Speaker 1: did a warehouse downtown and it was like the Britney
Speaker 1: theme and everything and it was great. But like I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, everyone's gonna want a party to
Speaker 1: like six o'clock in the morning. It was it was
Speaker 1: done by three. Yeah, that's I mean, that's a whole
Speaker 1: other thing. It's like you're in you just go home?
Speaker 1: Really are you going to house parties in our which
Speaker 1: I personally hate going to someone's house. It always feels
Speaker 1: like the next like a last ditch destination. I like
Speaker 1: as are like a game night culture. Yea, he is
Speaker 1: a place celebrities that you know nothing. I feel like
Speaker 1: from my sampling, it's just like let's play no bowe
Speaker 1: Yang has never been on a plane, boone Yang has
Speaker 1: only grown up in your He doesn't know any other culture. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: But Ellie is happening though, But like what, like are
Speaker 1: what can you drop? So next year? I mean obviously
Speaker 1: I'd planned it around November. I had a weekend, had
Speaker 1: a boat at everything going, and then I was like, no,
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna work, so now I have to like
Speaker 1: start from scratch. Damn. It was gonna be for this
Speaker 1: November this next year. I was about to announce it,
Speaker 1: like like last week. I was going to announce it.
Speaker 1: I had it already, and then I was like, no,
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna work. Okay, if this is too painful,
Speaker 1: you can not answer. But what what was what was
Speaker 1: going to be key? Because it was gonna be it's
Speaker 1: Brittany boat l a W Yeah okay, And then honestly
Speaker 1: the bote of it all sunk. Itwhere we went to
Speaker 1: Brittany boat herebulous um. I missed Gaga vote, but I
Speaker 1: was gagged, like thinking about what I was. Did you
Speaker 1: see a Quaries makeup for that? Yeah, she didn't. Aquaria
Speaker 1: at the Fendy show that was. I was like, and
Speaker 1: I was watching it with Dave and we were saying, like,
Speaker 1: and the thing about Aquaria she can have the steps.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, Like, not only does
Speaker 1: she look amazing, um like, and it is part of
Speaker 1: the diversity of the event, but it was like she
Speaker 1: could fucking hit that. She's a performer. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: talk about like the most knockdown drag out, one of
Speaker 1: the most for me drag race wins. Like like you
Speaker 1: watch some of these seasons now when you're like talking
Speaker 1: about who should win, and you're like, funk, if a
Speaker 1: Query was in this season, it wouldn't even be a
Speaker 1: competition totally. I felt that about the last season for sure.
Speaker 1: A great winner, a great winner. And I was watching
Speaker 1: her on that show and I remember we saw you
Speaker 1: after the Robin concert. Oh my god. Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: went with Withy to Robina. That was hilarious. That was
Speaker 1: a good show. That was That was like a religious
Speaker 1: experience for me, She's another one where if you play
Speaker 1: Robin you got him like this truly defining songs of
Speaker 1: our generation. I I don't know if you guys saw
Speaker 1: the Pitchfork list of songs was like three, Well, Dancing
Speaker 1: my Own was like yeah, in the top five it
Speaker 1: was for me. The top one to three were three, four, five,
Speaker 1: I believe it was Dancing on my Own and Information
Speaker 1: was in there, and then one other thing I'm Forgetting
Speaker 1: was also up there, and I was like, that's a
Speaker 1: great call, but what was what was what was the
Speaker 1: number one for? It was all Right by Kendrick Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's a great song, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: great you can't argue with it. It's just for me.
Speaker 1: It was like if you I see Dancing on my
Speaker 1: Own at three, I'm like, that should be one. And
Speaker 1: then and then Blonde was the number one album. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go. I thought that was over all the
Speaker 1: good list, but I was. I was on the podcast
Speaker 1: Keep It last week and we were talking about how
Speaker 1: for me, it's like it's always gonna go skew more
Speaker 1: made stream like anything Pitchwork is saying like, of course,
Speaker 1: I'm not listening to almost any music that men make,
Speaker 1: except they're really big. Carly stands, they stand Harley so
Speaker 1: hard to get it with her taste, taste, but they
Speaker 1: hate Gaga. The only not one correct on the song list,
Speaker 1: the only Gaga on the album list was Fame Monster,
Speaker 1: and they were like two thousand nine. But it kind
Speaker 1: of informed the rest of the decade after that, So
Speaker 1: you can't I'm sorry, but you can't talk about the
Speaker 1: two thousand tents of music. I understand she was more
Speaker 1: popular in two thousand thousand nine, but you can't talk
Speaker 1: about the last decade and music without even mentioning Lady Gaga.
Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense. That doesn't least Born this Way,
Speaker 1: something from Born this Way, or just throw something from
Speaker 1: our pop on there, just to just to get out
Speaker 1: of your own way, because our pop justice for our
Speaker 1: pop of course in terms of tracks, in terms of
Speaker 1: songs of the decade shallow. Why not just just think
Speaker 1: it's it's ignorant to ignore it ignorant. It's ignorant. You
Speaker 1: can't talk about the last ten years in culture and
Speaker 1: then get to two thousand and not mention the star
Speaker 1: is born like, talk about it however you want. But
Speaker 1: it was a moment in culture. It was so last
Speaker 1: year we did a Gaga boat and that song came
Speaker 1: out like the day before the party happened, but everyone
Speaker 1: already knew all the lyrics. Yeah, yeah, of shallow, you
Speaker 1: have shallow. Yeah. So someone I played it and the
Speaker 1: whole place was like singing along and like some s
Speaker 1: Angela ever posted and the Bronson posted the video of
Speaker 1: the boat. I'm like, wow, this is so cool now.
Speaker 1: That was like a moment like that was like one
Speaker 1: of those songs that for some reason, the melody of
Speaker 1: it just like it's in your brain. It was kind
Speaker 1: of like let It Go. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: ever watched like kids sing let It Go, but like
Speaker 1: I used to do children's some children's theater and to
Speaker 1: warm them up, they would play this song let It Go.
Speaker 1: And what would happen to the children. I can't describe it.
Speaker 1: It was like a trance came over them where they
Speaker 1: were just like Letica. It's almost made you feel like
Speaker 1: what subliminal messages in this song to make them do this?
Speaker 1: But something about Shallow, Like when we even heard like
Speaker 1: the trailer or the show the trailer, and they were
Speaker 1: showing that it was going to be a song. We
Speaker 1: were like whatever that is and then it was. And
Speaker 1: then I do feel that that song had a life
Speaker 1: like let It Go did, where it was like just
Speaker 1: always in the culture. I mean it won the Moscars, Yes,
Speaker 1: I won the Oscars. It was a cinematic moment are
Speaker 1: you gonna are you gonna do? Because Josh Sharp had
Speaker 1: pitched you a Beyonce boat? Is that is that? Is
Speaker 1: that going to be something in this next summer? Or no?
Speaker 1: It's so hard to like because the boat I can
Speaker 1: only do like three of them, right, It's like it's
Speaker 1: I'm like, who's going to be the top up three
Speaker 1: selling because like really, you know, it's frankly not cheap
Speaker 1: to rent a boat now, and like get all that going,
Speaker 1: you break you make, you make a profit off the boat.
Speaker 1: So I make a profit off the boat. Yeah, mostly okay,
Speaker 1: but it's still like you know, who do you? Who
Speaker 1: do I pick? With Brittany and Gaga. It's it's smart
Speaker 1: because it's like you get, you know, the vibe and
Speaker 1: also everyone is a vocabulary for it. Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: so those are knockouts always. And then this year it
Speaker 1: was like Madonna because I was like, yeah, I knew
Speaker 1: she was gonna be I knew she was going to
Speaker 1: be like the surprise performer, so there's gonna be hyper
Speaker 1: around and she's albumat I was like, let's do next year.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna do Spice Girls because like, it's
Speaker 1: been a while since I've done a Spice Girls party.
Speaker 1: This January will be two years since I've done a
Speaker 1: Spice Girls party. And I was talking to Bobby Campbell,
Speaker 1: Gaga's manager, last he was like, he was watching Spice Holder,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, what an iconic movie.
Speaker 1: He's like, you need to do a gay flower Spicels.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's perfect because the boats only three
Speaker 1: hours and they only have two albums, so you know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to do like a fower forever a rature Okay, okay, right,
Speaker 1: I say goodbye five of them. If all five of
Speaker 1: them are not on it, it's not Canady, right, You're right, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Spice Gross Boat is a fucking hit,
Speaker 1: And I do think if there was one of the
Speaker 1: other girls that I could say you could build a
Speaker 1: boat around, it was obviously be Beyonce. I mean Beyonce,
Speaker 1: you get you know exactly what I would say Rihanna.
Speaker 1: Rihanna has so many like dance songs, like this thing
Speaker 1: with like Beyonce's music is like it's not all club ready,
Speaker 1: It's right, you know, like some of it is. Most
Speaker 1: of it is, especially a lot of Destiny's Child, a
Speaker 1: lot of earlier stuff, but like her more recent stuff
Speaker 1: besides Formation, none of it really works in a short
Speaker 1: in different worlds. Well, I was gonna say the thread
Speaker 1: for all the boats for the gate flower boats this
Speaker 1: past summer, where it was it was Chrona launched them, Donna, Brittany,
Speaker 1: Gaga in terms of like like pop star girl about
Speaker 1: and like successors to Madonna, even where Brittany was kind
Speaker 1: of like the princess, and then Gaga comes in as
Speaker 1: like the joker. The gesture, I would say, if you
Speaker 1: wanted a threat and take a relieve it but definitely
Speaker 1: leave it is um, if you wanted to start with
Speaker 1: Spice Girls, you do girl groups where you do Spice Girls,
Speaker 1: Destiny's Child and you throw stuff and then the third
Speaker 1: Then the third one is like who I think it
Speaker 1: would be so fun to do like just like a
Speaker 1: girl group, but what you could fucking do is like
Speaker 1: obviously Spice girls, Little Mix, Fifth Harmony, you could cc
Speaker 1: it was just gonna say Destiny's Child, honestly, Pussycat Dolls
Speaker 1: like you could, but I mean we can. We can
Speaker 1: talk about how it's mostly in the call. We stand
Speaker 1: in the cole in this house, Um, do you know
Speaker 1: this so poison? I got that poison? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's got so many bobs that were
Speaker 1: only I literally already pitched my manager like I want
Speaker 1: to get in a coal for pride, dude, the gaze
Speaker 1: would there would be an army of boys. I had
Speaker 1: to explain to my manager who she is, and I
Speaker 1: was like, really, yeah, he's a game, but he's like
Speaker 1: a bad gay. I think the thing is like, even
Speaker 1: if you don't think you stand the culture singer, you do,
Speaker 1: and you would fucking the second she plays buttons, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be like on the floor. And also, don't you
Speaker 1: mean don't don't stick with you? Even I stand a
Speaker 1: ballad and stick with you every time? What's that song? Um?
Speaker 1: It's funny how man only things about that Forever and
Speaker 1: always so good? It's actually a real culture number fourteen
Speaker 1: Forever and Always. I think a girl group bout yes
Speaker 1: I don't have to be the boat, but it has
Speaker 1: there's some container for girl groups. Okay, I mean maybe
Speaker 1: it could be Heaven on Earth concept there, but it's
Speaker 1: it is a good idea because honestly, and also just
Speaker 1: to revisit Spice World for a second, I said it
Speaker 1: on this podcast, but it is a communic tour to force.
Speaker 1: Absolutely it is. It is a great film. It is
Speaker 1: a comedy period and it's got a great performance. I
Speaker 1: say snub for best Supporting Actress. It's Adams as Posh
Speaker 1: Spice in Spice World. What are your line reads again
Speaker 1: that you do? Um? It's this dress is dry clean
Speaker 1: only Melanie. It's very good. Shut up Jerry, because they're
Speaker 1: playing I spy on the hospital. I spy with my
Speaker 1: little eyes something that is blue hospital. Shut up Jerry.
Speaker 1: Just so it's the timing, wow, the actors timing. So
Speaker 1: just you know, a great supporting cast includes coming and
Speaker 1: Elton John He makes a cameo. Elton makes a cameo. Okay,
Speaker 1: So speaking of this formative, we're talking Spice Girl. So
Speaker 1: that brings me a little bit back, which makes me
Speaker 1: want to ask the question bow and we got a
Speaker 1: little preview of it before we hit record. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just truly I know that there's a lot to
Speaker 1: say about this topic. So we're gonna ask bow ahead, bone,
Speaker 1: take it ahead, Okay, take it away, Take it away. Hi,
Speaker 1: what is the culture that made you say culture is
Speaker 1: for me? This is the formative culture that moved your
Speaker 1: life into a cultural direction, something you latched onto it
Speaker 1: and imprinting early age Hansen. Okay, very good. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's what I know is gay too, honestly, yes,
Speaker 1: explain this go. I mean I feel like when you're
Speaker 1: like young and queer and you don't know that you're queer,
Speaker 1: Like you're like you're like, oh, I want to be
Speaker 1: friends with them, but really like, oh, you have a
Speaker 1: crush on them, and you just don't have the words
Speaker 1: are Like even the concept of that you can have
Speaker 1: a crush on was a boiler, Yeah, of course, right?
Speaker 1: But was it that for me? The the imbut video
Speaker 1: was like a sexual awakening. Yeah, I don't know what
Speaker 1: it was. It was it was because it was and
Speaker 1: this is why Hanson is queer. When they first broke out,
Speaker 1: it was like my first kind of taste of androgyny.
Speaker 1: I know that sounds crazy, but my Mom was like, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: those girls are really pretty. I was like, Mom, there's
Speaker 1: are boys and she was like, oh, I don't like that.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, but Mom, I was like,
Speaker 1: was it what was? She liked it until she found
Speaker 1: out they were boys, like what's that about? It's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so funny because the way my like culture, I
Speaker 1: guess on Long Island, like absorbed Hanson was it was
Speaker 1: like they look like girls and like that means that
Speaker 1: they must be bad. I remember, like inherently me as
Speaker 1: a kid watching Hanson and be like, I don't like
Speaker 1: this because I think I want I I really saw
Speaker 1: in my culture as boys as boys and girls as girls,
Speaker 1: and the fact that they had long hair like through me.
Speaker 1: But I remember Bob is such a forgive me, but
Speaker 1: Bob that it was like this music is there's something
Speaker 1: to it, And now with their new iteration you realize
Speaker 1: it's because they've always been musicians. Those have been great
Speaker 1: pop songwriters and musicians. They whoever's on the drums slays
Speaker 1: the fucking drums. But I want to say that I'm Hanson.
Speaker 1: Hanson broke the binary and that's actually a rule of
Speaker 1: culture in handsOn broken the binary. Now because I didn't
Speaker 1: listen to their album though I have to be honest,
Speaker 1: I only listen to him, I mean expert here. They
Speaker 1: have a Christmas album that I still listen to every
Speaker 1: single Christmas. They have a cover of Stevie Wonders. That's
Speaker 1: what Christmas means to me. That is my favorite Christmas
Speaker 1: song after Carrie. Of course, it's so good. And I
Speaker 1: didn't even know he was a cover of TV wonder
Speaker 1: until I was like looking in and looking into it
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that's how freaks you out.
Speaker 1: But they are legit good musicians. I mean that. That's
Speaker 1: like I think that they sort of for for people
Speaker 1: that love them, and I remember some older people like
Speaker 1: some friends of my parents, like me too, because I
Speaker 1: think they threw back to like a family band type
Speaker 1: of which is very relatable to people. But also they
Speaker 1: were very appealing to a young crowd obviously because the
Speaker 1: melodies were super simple, like like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like almost Beatles ish or it's like it's just like
Speaker 1: you can't help but sing along to this. And that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying about their musicianship and now to see
Speaker 1: them as adult musicians that are still doing it and
Speaker 1: still creating good work. You're like, that's because they've just
Speaker 1: got it. What would it take to like really bring
Speaker 1: hands and back into the into the zeitgeist for let's
Speaker 1: just say, for queers, I would I would want them
Speaker 1: to like that have to be it have to be
Speaker 1: a dance moment. I was gonna say, dance like all
Speaker 1: the girls can I just say for a mint, all
Speaker 1: the girls are putting out music and none of it
Speaker 1: is danceable, Like who are you trying to appeal to?
Speaker 1: But you know, was it just that we're like in
Speaker 1: an algorithm age where it's like truly it's it's these streams.
Speaker 1: It's all about like music that is streamable. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the girls are trying to um all say something
Speaker 1: right now. I think I think the girls are emotional
Speaker 1: right now. I want escapism, like like pop escapism is
Speaker 1: my go to always period. So I think this is
Speaker 1: such a This is such an interesting thing because I
Speaker 1: am such like a ballad queen, and so the fact
Speaker 1: that music is in this place right now actually kind
Speaker 1: of excites me. Though I do love dance music. So
Speaker 1: when you were younger, let me ask you this, because
Speaker 1: I think this is a definitive question. Was it Brittany
Speaker 1: or Christina for you? Brittany, okay, and I'm a Christina guy.
Speaker 1: That is it, it is. It is the yeah yeah, Brittany.
Speaker 1: And that was just because because why just it was
Speaker 1: the dance of it all it is and it still is.
Speaker 1: But even the ballot, even the Britney ballads were ballads
Speaker 1: and good ballads. So I don't I don't think that's
Speaker 1: like a fully you know, we've split. No, I do
Speaker 1: because it's like Christina was interested in a different kind
Speaker 1: of entertainment than Britney was, and they both did crossover.
Speaker 1: You know, Brittany had her ballots, and we stand some
Speaker 1: of Britney's ballots sometimes is every time one of her
Speaker 1: only songs that she's credited with writing, I would actually
Speaker 1: also go moves to say, don't let me be the
Speaker 1: last to know. I would say shadow. I would say, honestly,
Speaker 1: it's a goofy song. But even later in her career Perfume,
Speaker 1: I do stand. She sounds a thousand years old on it,
Speaker 1: but I do stand. And Christina, I think obviously was
Speaker 1: giving you some up tempo moments like you know, and
Speaker 1: she gave you pop star. But at the root of
Speaker 1: what they're really good at. Brittany was giving you something
Speaker 1: to this day is giving you beats, bobs, vibes like energy,
Speaker 1: and Christina's giving you story or you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I think that they're
Speaker 1: such different artists. It's so interesting to see them put together.
Speaker 1: But because they were together so long for us, I
Speaker 1: think in your heart, if you really ask yourself, which
Speaker 1: one am I like? Just so I'm a Brittany, I
Speaker 1: think you're a Brittany. And I know that about you
Speaker 1: because I mean maybe One More Time was an album
Speaker 1: that like it was that and Spice World because I
Speaker 1: didn't because my sister got Spice World first. And this
Speaker 1: is truly like birth order is so interesting for gay
Speaker 1: men will say, is that like if you have an
Speaker 1: older sister who like is able to like funnel you
Speaker 1: her stuff, that's your way in culturally, and so like
Speaker 1: the gang like would buy all these albums, and like
Speaker 1: I would just like should buy albums you would buy
Speaker 1: like sister of the Traveling Pants, and I would like
Speaker 1: take it from her and read and consume all this.
Speaker 1: But anyway, with and by proxy, Gaga was huge for you,
Speaker 1: so I'm assuming Goga must have like fucking stomped your honestly, Honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't love Gaga. Initially, turn the turn was I
Speaker 1: saw her live, um like right before New Year's Eve
Speaker 1: in Florida, Like it was right before right after Faymonster
Speaker 1: come out. Famous had been out like one month, and
Speaker 1: I saw live and I was like, Wow, this is
Speaker 1: like really freaking good. And then and then Bad Romance
Speaker 1: the video came out, and I was like, oh, undeniable
Speaker 1: that this is great. I feel like with Gaga it's
Speaker 1: like either just dance interest you or it didn't know
Speaker 1: didn't it didn't interest me because at that point in
Speaker 1: my life, I was very much like indie and like
Speaker 1: listening to like blog music, and like I was like
Speaker 1: pop music is to look down upon, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Like I was in a place I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: eighteen in the closet, first year of college, Yeah, mess
Speaker 1: mess yeah. Um. For me, the moment that it clicked
Speaker 1: was Love Game video where she's fucking like dancing around
Speaker 1: the subway train and I'm just like oh and or
Speaker 1: just it was just the lyric like disco stick and
Speaker 1: it was her being like um um, You've indicated your interest.
Speaker 1: I'm educated in sects, yes, And I'm just like, that's
Speaker 1: what's the fucking craziest sequence of words and so funny
Speaker 1: and like who the fund is she? She's very cool.
Speaker 1: That was a love game. I think was a huge moment.
Speaker 1: People don't talk people don't talk about love game. People
Speaker 1: talk about programs and just dance paparazzi. But from from
Speaker 1: from Fame era, it's like love game and he ain't
Speaker 1: nothing else I can say. I'm just like, wait, you
Speaker 1: guys gems over here and you do in your in
Speaker 1: your and we noticed when like when we go to
Speaker 1: your parties you do throw the I mean, the Fame
Speaker 1: for me is like such a solid album. I think
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's just a great album. It's very
Speaker 1: like Gwen Stefani. So I'm gonna be honest, like she
Speaker 1: was giving me a lot of Gwen on that album,
Speaker 1: and I love it like boys boys boys, some like yeah,
Speaker 1: she was she was giving you Gwen. When she first
Speaker 1: came out, the comparisons were Gwen and Christina, right, remember
Speaker 1: that when she whenever she because she was specifically doing
Speaker 1: what Christina was hinting that with Bionic. I remember that
Speaker 1: was around the keeps getting better, keeps getting better, Like
Speaker 1: that music video came out, I think, and it was
Speaker 1: Gaga derivative, and there was this attitude which is like
Speaker 1: this new girl who just looks like Christy and Aguilera.
Speaker 1: I remember that moment, and then I remember the reason
Speaker 1: Lady got from me started to get more credible was
Speaker 1: because specifically Perez Hilton was like standing her and really
Speaker 1: that was like you were propressed literally at the time.
Speaker 1: At the time, I was like on pres Hilton's website,
Speaker 1: and this is before he said his whole thing. I
Speaker 1: think I'm actually gonna be nice now. This is when
Speaker 1: he was being a true county like and he was
Speaker 1: like calling celebrities like shit stains and for us to
Speaker 1: go Jennifer Aniston, Maniston, this is like Baale Wolf was
Speaker 1: his name for Beyonce, and he would only ever post
Speaker 1: pictures of her with her arm up like this, so
Speaker 1: her arm pit was showing. He was gross and very
Speaker 1: internalized homophobic. I mean, he outed celebrities like Pat Patrick
Speaker 1: famously um and one can argue about whether that was
Speaker 1: like as quote unquote for the great good or not.
Speaker 1: But he was like a militant in being a dick,
Speaker 1: and to the fact that he liked Gaga was like
Speaker 1: a signal, like and for me it was like the
Speaker 1: fact that he liked Gaga, I was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know she's to be taken seriously now, but I
Speaker 1: don't trust this and so maybe that was part of
Speaker 1: it too. Oh that means you suspicious. It's a little bit.
Speaker 1: But I also remember it being in the moment where
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, we're gonna have to like see
Speaker 1: this person around and I didn't. I as a person
Speaker 1: who rejected Just Dance, I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and he felt to the princess of pop, and I
Speaker 1: was like, after Just Dance, you're going to call her
Speaker 1: the princess of pop. And then a couple of songs later,
Speaker 1: I mean, Paparazzi is what got me. It was like,
Speaker 1: it's pretty true. Yeah, I mean that the performance with
Speaker 1: the blood was like I should have been stand immediately,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't. Yeah. I was like, yeah, I wasn't
Speaker 1: until after Bad Romans for You, And honestly, Art Pop
Speaker 1: was the first time I started like really because because
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it is like she had
Speaker 1: an underdoge narrative and then it was that's honestly what
Speaker 1: made me like is to watch her watch it kind
Speaker 1: of spin out of control a little bit, like the
Speaker 1: image of it all. I was like, okay, cool, So
Speaker 1: this is like a relatability now that I that I need. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I'm talking as me, like a
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson stan who like needs vulnerability and relatability, like
Speaker 1: that was who I was. But remember when Roar and
Speaker 1: Applause came out the same day, Oh yeah it was.
Speaker 1: That was those tweets. Those tweets are so funny. Those
Speaker 1: tweets are very funny. But I would say Applause has
Speaker 1: aged better. I was still like a very good catchy
Speaker 1: like I'm amazing, but I don't play roar out at
Speaker 1: the club. Actually a lot of Katie is dance floor ready,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't work. People don't stand Katie for some reason.
Speaker 1: What is the too corny? Like I don't know. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you the first time I've been excited by her
Speaker 1: in years over and I really love never really over.
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's like if this is a
Speaker 1: sign of what's to come from her, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: thank fucking God, just please come back to making simple.
Speaker 1: So I'm like a closeted Katie stand like I love
Speaker 1: her in my private listening Birthday, I saw Birthday. Whenever
Speaker 1: I'm sad, I can just listen to Birthday, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: in a good minute, she remix that's really good. You know,
Speaker 1: she her Teenage Dream, which is an iconic you cannot deny.
Speaker 1: I think generation number one, five number one, so basically
Speaker 1: it's Thriller level and Whitney Houston level. I mean, so
Speaker 1: basically a teenage Dream was like a hundred and one
Speaker 1: on that Pitchfork list, and I was saying with our
Speaker 1: own Lewis and keep it like this just goes to
Speaker 1: show like the people that are making this list consume
Speaker 1: music differently than me, because me, as a pop music person,
Speaker 1: that's in the top five for me, songs like that
Speaker 1: was defining. Okay, why isn't Out Magazine making like a
Speaker 1: real definitive like gay list, Thank you Out, get on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's just get like what it's. When we saw
Speaker 1: Robin that night at Barclays, when she performed Dancing on
Speaker 1: My Own, it was just so clear, place place, silent on,
Speaker 1: the lights on drama of that, I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, we are one. Everyone knew that we were
Speaker 1: singing the defining song of our generation. Like I think
Speaker 1: you know, and you know how you know kind of
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, this kind of sucks, but like
Speaker 1: the reason you know it was the defining song of
Speaker 1: the generation. Honestly, Girls at that time was the defining
Speaker 1: song of defining TV series of our generation. And then
Speaker 1: in that one episode when she's tweeting all adventurous women
Speaker 1: do in the iconic episode of Girls where she thinks
Speaker 1: she where she gets HPV and like, also she has
Speaker 1: the conversation with Andrew Rynolds. That episode was amazing, and
Speaker 1: then dancing on my own clothed it and her and
Speaker 1: Alison Williams danced together and they're embracing at the end
Speaker 1: of the episode. I was like, this song is important,
Speaker 1: that that episode is important. Um, and there's a song
Speaker 1: Exploder episode where she talks about writing honey and another
Speaker 1: great song. I think it's I think that's her best song.
Speaker 1: I think that's her I know that sounds blasphemous, but
Speaker 1: like just on like a on a sensory level, like
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's I still want to hear the version
Speaker 1: that they have and girls Girls, and I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what happened to that version? They because they they played
Speaker 1: in a bit of it in the episode where it
Speaker 1: which is just pulled from the audio from the credits,
Speaker 1: but like it doesn't feel right. Actually I used to
Speaker 1: think the same thing where it's like it should have
Speaker 1: been dancing or it should have been what the girl's
Speaker 1: credit sequence was. But um, you hear A talk about
Speaker 1: and she was like, I was in a really emotionally
Speaker 1: raw place, like my close collaborator here just passed away
Speaker 1: and he helped me set up the speed and like
Speaker 1: they were just like they called that like you know,
Speaker 1: because the beginning of Honey, I think is very distinct
Speaker 1: and recognizable and you can identify it where it's just
Speaker 1: like whoa, no, you're not gonna get which and so
Speaker 1: like she called that like the sauce, Like that production
Speaker 1: was like the sauce, And that was like what blanketed you,
Speaker 1: Like it's a perfect rave like Molly song. I mean
Speaker 1: also it's a I will say this when you're on drugs,
Speaker 1: that that song does something to your body. It is
Speaker 1: literally specifically designed to be there for that moment and
Speaker 1: she opened the show with Honey or Missing You. She
Speaker 1: opened the show with no it was it was some
Speaker 1: deep cut off of the album Honey. It was like,
Speaker 1: I will say that, Um, I believe Missing You came first.
Speaker 1: Missing came first. She that and that's that's that list
Speaker 1: order is only rob only Robin can do that, where
Speaker 1: she just she blew it out like a little bit
Speaker 1: over halfway to the concert and then the rest was
Speaker 1: just a party that she essentially you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it was danced around. She was so cute. She
Speaker 1: was It was a concert that was made for poppers. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was just like you could bring or whatever, pick fight.
Speaker 1: But you know, I was happy to see that. Like
Speaker 1: at least Pitchfork, like when they were making that list,
Speaker 1: they really respected Robin, Like Robin was all over that
Speaker 1: list and I was like, okay, cool, so you're at
Speaker 1: least hearing us and run Away with Me by Collie
Speaker 1: rage Epson was one gay at pitchforking like guys like
Speaker 1: we're not the gay delicate like to speak, and that's important.
Speaker 1: It's very important. And there's gonna be a musical list written.
Speaker 1: There must be gays president in the world. Yes, Um,
Speaker 1: I'm really curious to time, and I've thought about this constantly,
Speaker 1: like where like what do you make of this is
Speaker 1: such a broad question too, but what do you make
Speaker 1: of nightlife now? In because I think they're like something
Speaker 1: very cool it's happening. I love nightlife and I've always
Speaker 1: been a nightlife fanboy and I think it's having such
Speaker 1: a beautiful moment right now. And when people say that
Speaker 1: like nightlife is dead or nightlife is over, I want
Speaker 1: to smash my fucking head against wall. I'm like, especially
Speaker 1: like all these old people writing, you know, articles like oh,
Speaker 1: back in the day, it was this culture changes and
Speaker 1: the way we consume culture changes, and nightlife is a
Speaker 1: reflection of culture or it's like where culture begins, and
Speaker 1: so it's gonna change. It's not gonna be the same.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna have Studio fifty four. And that was
Speaker 1: a great moment. Okay, move on next thing. So I
Speaker 1: think it's having a great moment and I love night
Speaker 1: life and I'm I'm just excited. Well and even like
Speaker 1: it's even bird of people to be like, well, it's
Speaker 1: not like how it used to be in these new
Speaker 1: kids don't have any respect for the for how things were.
Speaker 1: But it's like you're you're literally throwing a party at
Speaker 1: Webster Hall, like the first nightclub in the world, and
Speaker 1: like you're throwing a party there that is a tribute
Speaker 1: to the drag parties that would happen there a hundred
Speaker 1: years ago. And it's like you're working with Susanne, You're
Speaker 1: working with Lady. It's like, right, is that is that accurate?
Speaker 1: I don't really work with either of them, but you guys,
Speaker 1: you guys are all so safe. I love them both
Speaker 1: so much, like I look up to everything they've done.
Speaker 1: You know, if if have you seen Susanne's documentary, I
Speaker 1: still haven't. Okay, you have to. It is I cried
Speaker 1: because you know, she has done so much for a
Speaker 1: community and just so much for the nightlife as um
Speaker 1: an economy. It is like she created this economy that
Speaker 1: you know, people like me benefit from so much. So
Speaker 1: whenever Susanne, you know, text me like, hey, I need
Speaker 1: a favorite, I'm They're great. I'm there. That's great because
Speaker 1: I feel like, and this is what you're saying earlier.
Speaker 1: What this probably just has to do with why you
Speaker 1: like escapism in your music, is that your nightlife is
Speaker 1: just it's an escape, an escape that thing too about
Speaker 1: like people being like it's not like it was. That's
Speaker 1: literally a voice that is always going to be there
Speaker 1: and the only thing we have anything, right, the only
Speaker 1: thing we have, I mean, you know more than anyone,
Speaker 1: Like with SNL of it all, it's like not what
Speaker 1: it was, like those like with any institution and nightlife
Speaker 1: is a New York institution, like there's going to be
Speaker 1: that not what it was vibe And the thing is
Speaker 1: all we have is at present, So like let's make
Speaker 1: sure that we're not those people in the future and
Speaker 1: create a good vibe now because also those people saying
Speaker 1: it's not what it was, you're also not at the party,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like you're also
Speaker 1: not currently out enjoying it to the party. But I
Speaker 1: also understand that I think it's just a thing of
Speaker 1: you know, even nowadays, like certain certain things that happen
Speaker 1: with like the generation like that's coming up, like certain
Speaker 1: choices that are made about culture, like the way they
Speaker 1: consume media now, like like certain things that have become
Speaker 1: and vogue. I don't really get it, Like I'm still
Speaker 1: trying to find Billie Eilish, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like right, and so I am finding her in this,
Speaker 1: but I've it's taken me a minute, which is surprising
Speaker 1: to me because I feel like you love you just
Speaker 1: said ballances. I don't know what it is. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that was there because all I knew was bad Guy,
Speaker 1: and I heard Bad Guy and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: if this is indicative of what she's about, then I'm
Speaker 1: not about it. Then I'll be honest with you. I
Speaker 1: saw her perform on SNL that second song. I was like,
Speaker 1: there's a lot more depth here than I think I realized,
Speaker 1: which happens to me all the time with Lord had
Speaker 1: happened to me too. Well. You should listen to the
Speaker 1: album the whole way through and then the last track
Speaker 1: it's called Goodbye, and you know what I'm about to
Speaker 1: talk about. She just does this long it's not long,
Speaker 1: it's like two minutes, but she just like it's one
Speaker 1: melody and it's one like motif basically in terms of
Speaker 1: the production. But she just in reverse order of the
Speaker 1: tracks on the album, pulls little snippets, little lyrics, little melodies,
Speaker 1: little lines, and weaves them all together and ends with
Speaker 1: and bad guys. The first technical track, the first one
Speaker 1: is hurt taking out her her in his line, but
Speaker 1: like the last line is her going I'm a bad guy.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's genius. It's a geniusly constructed album. And
Speaker 1: I think if you like on the Plane, when you
Speaker 1: go back to late tonight, like listen to it the
Speaker 1: whole way through, download and save it offline, listen to
Speaker 1: it the whole way through and just pay attention, because
Speaker 1: I think it's a good plane album because it puts
Speaker 1: you to sleep if you want it. I am looking
Speaker 1: for those. It's a great album to put you to
Speaker 1: sleep too. But if you can stay with it for
Speaker 1: the for the twelve go where do we go? But
Speaker 1: the last track is what made it all click for me. Literally,
Speaker 1: I mean it seems like too simple and deceptively like artful,
Speaker 1: but it is like she literally weaves one melodic thing
Speaker 1: out of the entire album. She's she's captivating everyone right
Speaker 1: now because like obviously, but like I'm talking about older
Speaker 1: people too. She was just I just started driving in
Speaker 1: a life, so I have a serious streaming like free subscription,
Speaker 1: so I listened to Howard Stern. She was on Howard Stern.
Speaker 1: She did like an hour's long interview with Howard Stern
Speaker 1: and she kept up with them and it was it
Speaker 1: was equals talking. It was crazy. It was like she
Speaker 1: was so smart and her brother was there too that
Speaker 1: she like, I guess works with expl and it's very
Speaker 1: cool to watch how proud he is of her life
Speaker 1: and she's so young and so to listen to her
Speaker 1: just kind of be unfazed by talking to this like,
Speaker 1: you know, intimidating like Titan of media who owns so
Speaker 1: much of that space. Like, and he's also so like
Speaker 1: aggressively adult for her to be like he can be
Speaker 1: like he has a history of being like predatory towards women,
Speaker 1: which is grea, which is why we love him. But
Speaker 1: it's like that's how he is. But she went in
Speaker 1: there and she was She had people calling in afterwards
Speaker 1: being like I like her, and it was just she's
Speaker 1: obviously got staying power. Honestly though, But this makes me
Speaker 1: think of Gaga whenever she goes on Howard Fantastic interviews.
Speaker 1: Fantastic what I'm saying, Goga too. I mean that's I
Speaker 1: think that when they come up with their first singles,
Speaker 1: it's always like you always judge like are you and
Speaker 1: you know, so think about it. Like Gaga's first single
Speaker 1: was Just Dance and that was like, you know, it
Speaker 1: definitely was a hit. Like Katy Perry's first single was
Speaker 1: I Kissed a Girl Like I was. That was a
Speaker 1: huge hit and I was like, you're a one hit wonder. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But it's like I mean, she was on the Van's
Speaker 1: Warp tours, like okay, that's where she literally came from
Speaker 1: her with like an asymmetrical haircut on the Warp tour bit.
Speaker 1: I'm curious. So this is I think we had the
Speaker 1: same sort of timeline in terms of coming out of
Speaker 1: the closet, in terms of in terms of sonically like
Speaker 1: accepting it. I think because I would be on all
Speaker 1: the fucking like said the gramophone or whatever, like indie
Speaker 1: websites and like downloading tracks and listening to Machine Machine.
Speaker 1: I was gonna see high Machine Machine. I'm still still around.
Speaker 1: I still have MP threees that I downloaded from Hype
Speaker 1: Machines that I play out. Oh my god, because there
Speaker 1: was there were some real gems and like it was
Speaker 1: it was kind of like the algorithm was set up
Speaker 1: nice because they would just surface like the top tracks
Speaker 1: of the week or whatever, and they would be like
Speaker 1: you couldn't download them on iTunes. They were like specific remixes,
Speaker 1: sometimes Hype Machine, and then like last I would scrabble
Speaker 1: on last FM all the time and make sure that
Speaker 1: like I was signaling that I was listening to Radiohead
Speaker 1: and whatever all this um. But I feel like when
Speaker 1: I came out of the closet was around the same
Speaker 1: time that like I was living my sister in college
Speaker 1: and she was like shap burning me being in the
Speaker 1: closet because I had just gone through conversion through every
Speaker 1: my parents said you can go down my u as
Speaker 1: long as you live with your sister, because she will
Speaker 1: like protect you, she will be our eyes and ears. Um.
Speaker 1: But then like Circus by Britney Spears came out and
Speaker 1: both of us were like because both of us listen
Speaker 1: to listen to Britney growing up, and we were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, let's listen to Womanizer. And she was
Speaker 1: being like she was like, I guess my brother's gay,
Speaker 1: but this is nice and we're listening to the same
Speaker 1: music and we're enjoying the same things. And so that
Speaker 1: like two nine was like the moment when when it shifted,
Speaker 1: but you're saying it was like maybe a year after
Speaker 1: year after that, I didn't like really come out until
Speaker 1: them Fatal if we're talking about Britain, if we're talking
Speaker 1: about if we're talking about Brittany, Like, yeah, and so
Speaker 1: what were your first Like so, I'm this is a
Speaker 1: weird question, but do you remember like the first artists albums,
Speaker 1: songs that you like truly like Fused into your Body
Speaker 1: and yeah, go only Girl in the World Rihanna Great.
Speaker 1: When that came out, I was like, yeah, I'm gay.
Speaker 1: It's like that's like what it is, Like I love
Speaker 1: this music and you know, I'm accepting myself, Like I
Speaker 1: just transferred from a state school in Florida to purchase
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gay. I'm starting a new
Speaker 1: life in New York. Imay, Wow for me, that was
Speaker 1: dancing on my own that I know the moment you're
Speaker 1: talking about and Rihanna did have such a moment. There's
Speaker 1: so then like honestly, I was going to bring up
Speaker 1: What's my Name? Like that's a song that I feel
Speaker 1: is a race today, Like that was a huge moment.
Speaker 1: Did that come out before Only Girl? It was the
Speaker 1: only girl in the World was the first single one
Speaker 1: that I believe. But then but then the Only Girl
Speaker 1: in the World became a number one after something like that.
Speaker 1: I remember. I think it was just that loud album
Speaker 1: like that's the red Hair, the Rihanna moment, Yes, and
Speaker 1: I'm raining man California King bad. But oh um the
Speaker 1: song um um cheers to that an Avril Levine sample.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me crazy? Um No? But then what's
Speaker 1: my name? What's my name? The song structure, the pre
Speaker 1: course is I think my favorite part of the song.
Speaker 1: She's table. I think if you can go down and
Speaker 1: don't want to go like an incredible melody. Wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: does that question make sense? So like it does, like
Speaker 1: that moment when you were like, now I can celebrate
Speaker 1: the gainess within me a little bit by really liking y. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that Only Go in the World is still
Speaker 1: my favorite Rena song for the reason and I played
Speaker 1: all the time. I mean I played it, yeah, Like
Speaker 1: it might not be everyone's go to Rihanna, but it's
Speaker 1: my go to Rihana. Also for the ballot queen and me,
Speaker 1: like Stamp California came back. I mean, I can tell
Speaker 1: you are that queen that would look at me every
Speaker 1: time I was at a party putting on the ballot
Speaker 1: and like you gotta stop. Next she blew her damn
Speaker 1: voice on that. On the recording, it sounds it's it's
Speaker 1: like okay, like closings. You can her pray. She would
Speaker 1: never do that now. No, No, she went on high
Speaker 1: or she like sucking scrolls. Oh, I mean fully, you
Speaker 1: can hear her have a hemorrhage. Do you think we're
Speaker 1: getting music by then? She didn't, she say she was.
Speaker 1: She keeps saying though, yeah, that's Rihanna. Rihanna will say
Speaker 1: ship whatever whatever she wants to say. You saw that
Speaker 1: video where she was like she's like she lied, she
Speaker 1: she knows. I mean, but I do that. I was
Speaker 1: reading that. I was getting the recent like I think
Speaker 1: it was a Vogue piece on her, really good piece
Speaker 1: on her, and she talked she gets really into politics.
Speaker 1: And the one that guy where the guy was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't have questions for you, sorry, I'm not ready. Yes,
Speaker 1: that was well, what happened was she moved the interview up,
Speaker 1: I'm going to it and she was like whatever, cool
Speaker 1: it wasn't it wasn't like a super serious thing. And
Speaker 1: he did get a great interview out of her, so
Speaker 1: for what it's worth, But like she Um is really
Speaker 1: really candid, and she's just it's that thing of she's
Speaker 1: kind of hinting at new music. But there's a moment
Speaker 1: where he asks and you and he says he details
Speaker 1: in the article about how she gets a moment in
Speaker 1: her eyes like why did you ask that? Because my
Speaker 1: fans are going to kill you now, Like now, it's
Speaker 1: it's bad that you asked that because now I'm going
Speaker 1: to like have to go on record and say something
Speaker 1: and then I'm going to get roasted if I don't
Speaker 1: follow up on that because the Navy is Um, it's
Speaker 1: the opposite of what Gaga is doing, which is basically
Speaker 1: her tweeting back in March I'm pregnant. The specific words
Speaker 1: are rumors, rumors, I'm pregnant, question mark, Yeah, I'm pregnant,
Speaker 1: pregnant with elder hashtag LGI last week next who. I
Speaker 1: also think we're gonna I mean, they say we're going
Speaker 1: to get another album from her this year, which I
Speaker 1: thought she was taking a fifty year retirement. Um. And
Speaker 1: then Fiona, which I know is not like the same
Speaker 1: level of like stand um I couldn't. I have no
Speaker 1: vocabulary for you have to balance. You don't know, Fiona Apple,
Speaker 1: you know what I don't know. I'm a series of contradictions.
Speaker 1: I will say because because it's the fall, because I'm
Speaker 1: experienced before. Right now, I am listening to a lot
Speaker 1: of Adele because I'll always think of her synonymous with
Speaker 1: leaves everywhere, the Sepia tone, big coat of it all,
Speaker 1: for sure, a big, big, big sad. Do you remember
Speaker 1: seeing her on VH one when she had like chasing
Speaker 1: Payments a song? I stam, did she have a behind
Speaker 1: to like like um amy, She was very much doing
Speaker 1: I think like I'm from England. Yes, she had like
Speaker 1: a hair bump and she had the bang and she
Speaker 1: was at the time, I remember she was a lot heavier.
Speaker 1: So I think that's why they were leaning into sort
Speaker 1: of like more matronly look, because she was a lot heavier.
Speaker 1: And you know something that I'm actually happy people don't
Speaker 1: talk about because I'm happy we're not putting the emphasis
Speaker 1: on this. But she has definitely her aesthetic has changed.
Speaker 1: She is now it's certainly a glow up. Absolutely she
Speaker 1: has transformed. And now I look at her and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: it's so funny because we got to know her for
Speaker 1: her incredible voice and like the way she articulates music,
Speaker 1: but she's studying. She is a gorgeous like presence. To
Speaker 1: look at us, you have to get into Fiona. You
Speaker 1: should start with either wheel and then do criminal or
Speaker 1: then do title. Sorry, I mean I have a vocabulary
Speaker 1: for criminal, you know what. My One of my favorite
Speaker 1: stories of the past few months is j LO calling
Speaker 1: up Fiona Apple and being like, can we use criminal
Speaker 1: in the movie Hustlers and Fiona being like, yeah, she
Speaker 1: had never licensed it before for anything, like they were saying,
Speaker 1: Jlo had an idea onset. She was like, it would
Speaker 1: be fun if this beginning song where I stripped I
Speaker 1: did it too criminal And they were like, we feel
Speaker 1: like why I ask Fiona is like famously difficult, etcetera.
Speaker 1: She called and Fiona was like, yeah, for sure, And
Speaker 1: it's not that fionas difficult. She just did a really
Speaker 1: good interview in Vulture where everyone's like where the interview
Speaker 1: was like, so what do you make of people saying that,
Speaker 1: like you have this reputation for being so distant and
Speaker 1: like aloof and sequestered, and she's just like no, I
Speaker 1: just She's like, yes, I never leave my house, but like,
Speaker 1: I don't have a relationship with my managers where they
Speaker 1: tell me what people are asking, like they just like
Speaker 1: stockade me in every single way. And she's like, I'm
Speaker 1: happy to give my songs to people. I just like
Speaker 1: normally don't like to be mired in that. And but
Speaker 1: when j Lo calls, you pick up. Yeah. So anyway, Um,
Speaker 1: Hustler is so good. A second, my feeling about Hustlers
Speaker 1: is it actually for me. Um, there was a lot
Speaker 1: of hype and it actually it's the same. Gay Twitter
Speaker 1: was like freaking out about it and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh odd and I hate it. But then what you
Speaker 1: liked it? I loved it. I loved it. I always
Speaker 1: tend to um any movie with gimme more so, and
Speaker 1: especially because the way this is my song, SAME's I mean?
Speaker 1: And just it's shocking how fun it was to watch.
Speaker 1: You forget that movies can be like that. And then
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what's so frustrating is you read all
Speaker 1: the articles about it and you find out it was
Speaker 1: hard to get made. It's like, I'm sorry, but what
Speaker 1: about this? When this movie was getting marketed I was like,
Speaker 1: this to me is the biggest slam dunk ever. Like
Speaker 1: you have j Lo, you have Cardi b you I
Speaker 1: needed more Cardi. It was a cameo. She needed a
Speaker 1: full role. I mean, she knows how to act. She
Speaker 1: absolutely I mean was she really acting? No? And that's
Speaker 1: the thing is she absolutely knows how to deliver star quality. No.
Speaker 1: But when she was getting in the argument with that
Speaker 1: man and at the bar, do you know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about? Sure? I was like, Okay, she's like acting
Speaker 1: reacting well, she was certainly having emotions on camera. We
Speaker 1: can say that, yeah, and it pops and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want more. I don't care, Like I don't care
Speaker 1: what her fucking I don't. I don't care Like how
Speaker 1: she gets to this headspace of acting in front of
Speaker 1: a camera. She's good at it. She was really good
Speaker 1: in this scene with all the girls back, like when
Speaker 1: she was like taunting everyone, I was like, this is
Speaker 1: obviously someone who's lived this experience and she's bringing it
Speaker 1: to the screen. Yes. And also, let's just say, for
Speaker 1: your consideration, Lopez, give it up. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: give it up because guess what, Like I believe that
Speaker 1: there's not many people on this planet that could have
Speaker 1: given you the star quality that that character needed to have.
Speaker 1: That she is, to put it in these words, doing
Speaker 1: what the other girls won't do and I can't do,
Speaker 1: and showing what the other girls. You're right, and you
Speaker 1: needed to believe that that character was going to like
Speaker 1: had to gravitational poll effortlessly manipulate everyone and also be
Speaker 1: able to physically pull that off and look like that.
Speaker 1: Oh god, the woman is fifty years old. She and
Speaker 1: I get that she's in a financial position. Of course,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like people should at fifty. She's in
Speaker 1: a financial position to be able to make herself look
Speaker 1: that way. And she cares about that obviously and has
Speaker 1: the space in time. But give it up because not
Speaker 1: for nothing, but she's had decades long career and she
Speaker 1: makes a ton of money for the industry. And if
Speaker 1: the OSCARS is about, like let's celebrate good performances and
Speaker 1: also like you know, pat itself on the back, like sorry,
Speaker 1: but get your nose out of your out of the air,
Speaker 1: and like understand that, like that's someone who makes a
Speaker 1: town of money for the industry, and like, don't spit
Speaker 1: in her face. On Oscar Morning on the on the
Speaker 1: morning on the morning, because she needs a nomination, and
Speaker 1: then I feel like everyone will be happy. No one's
Speaker 1: saying she's gonna win, right right? Um, how could you
Speaker 1: say that? I think you should be Jolo for Pride
Speaker 1: h probably impossible. J Loo Bow would be good to
Speaker 1: Jlo does have bobs. Yeah, and that's why the super
Speaker 1: Bowl doesn't shock me at all. Yeah. Oh, Shakira too,
Speaker 1: we love that's all excited. And it's in Miami too.
Speaker 1: I think which about Florida more because this is basically
Speaker 1: a Florida boy. So were you central? Were you part
Speaker 1: of Florida? So I grew up in Hollywood, Florida, which
Speaker 1: is like right north of Miami, And then I did
Speaker 1: two years in Orlando at UCF. And what was Orlando
Speaker 1: like for you? Because we're Orlando queens as you know.
Speaker 1: I love Orlando, but I hated my time in UCF.
Speaker 1: I was like deep in the closet. I was like
Speaker 1: working at urban outfitters the dream back then, and that
Speaker 1: was the goal. That was all you want to do
Speaker 1: is work at urban outfitters and like be included in
Speaker 1: like that cool club. Um. I was going to like
Speaker 1: indie bars and like getting really into like New Order
Speaker 1: and stuff, because like that's what Eyebar Eye bar in
Speaker 1: back Booth, and I was like so into that culture.
Speaker 1: And then I just that's how I got into like
Speaker 1: dance music and everything was just like going out to
Speaker 1: these places and hearing it. And because you can go
Speaker 1: to clubs in Orland, so I was going every single weekend.
Speaker 1: So this to me is like to be closet in
Speaker 1: Orlando at that time must have been kind of brutal
Speaker 1: because I would almost compare it to New York because
Speaker 1: I was closet here for a year. Like Orland, it
Speaker 1: was a pretty gay city. Oh yeah, Like every time
Speaker 1: I go down there, I'm always struck by how gay
Speaker 1: the culture is. Like, um, I remember I was down
Speaker 1: there one time for my sister's graduation. I was at
Speaker 1: UM University of South Florida UM Tampa, Tampa, like close
Speaker 1: to St. Pete, and I went on Grinder and it
Speaker 1: was absolutely happening. Yeah, like it was. It was popping off,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, so that must have been
Speaker 1: like a kind of tough place to be closetive. Well
Speaker 1: I wasn't even at that point. I hadn't even accepted
Speaker 1: I was gay, Like I didn't check grinder. I didn't
Speaker 1: like think of going to gay bars or anything. And
Speaker 1: like at the time, my roommate was like, do you
Speaker 1: want to go to a gay bar? Like obviously gay?
Speaker 1: And I didn't even always gay. You know, she was
Speaker 1: trying it. She was yeah yeah, but then like what
Speaker 1: was it? And like finally you just left because you're
Speaker 1: just like I'm done, ready, Okay. So the summer in
Speaker 1: between my freshman and sophomore year, I came up to
Speaker 1: New York because I took an improv intensive at the
Speaker 1: magnet Y. We tie as a as a short as
Speaker 1: not a short form queen, but you're an improv queen's
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, can you see Ever? So I signed up
Speaker 1: for one and one recently because because like you see
Speaker 1: the like so intimidating. I like, like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was like a theater kid in high school, so
Speaker 1: like I've always loved improv and I came to New
Speaker 1: York and I was like, I was like I need
Speaker 1: to just go do something like get out of you
Speaker 1: get out of Florida for a bit. And I came
Speaker 1: to an intensive and like level through was topped by
Speaker 1: Armando Diaz. It was like really wow. So I was
Speaker 1: there for my birthday. On my birthday, it was my
Speaker 1: nineteenth birthday. Armando was going around just like telling stories
Speaker 1: of like Tina fe and like you know, Chicago back
Speaker 1: in the day, and I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so cool. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I have to get to New York. So I figured
Speaker 1: out how to get to New York. I came to
Speaker 1: purchase and then I didn't follow up on improv. I
Speaker 1: became a DJ. That's but that's so funny. I know.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, and this is disgusting, pitch and please
Speaker 1: shoot it down. But I feel like there's there's some capacity.
Speaker 1: There's room for like a Thai Sunderland functioned, not yes,
Speaker 1: some comedy event with TI like want to That's that's
Speaker 1: what I want to do. Is like imagine if I
Speaker 1: got back into like the improv scene, just like had
Speaker 1: like fun shows where it's like, you know, I have
Speaker 1: a Mandalapoort, come and do it like a like a
Speaker 1: monologue like monologists asking to be created. Right this thing
Speaker 1: like like the world of music and the world of dance,
Speaker 1: in the world of comedy that that's that there's a
Speaker 1: moment there because you create an amazing live event out
Speaker 1: of all all of those things and ship there's like
Speaker 1: there's like a comedy standard, but it's it's not quite
Speaker 1: structured like that. But I'm saying, like not even it's
Speaker 1: not even a festival, but it's kind of close to
Speaker 1: what I'm imagining. I want. I want If if I
Speaker 1: can help make it happen, that'd be great, But like
Speaker 1: I want something where it's just like gathering of queer
Speaker 1: people and there's music, dance, comedy, some kind of thing
Speaker 1: where people can just like, yeah, I feel included and
Speaker 1: not have to and just like choose how they want
Speaker 1: to engage with with what they want to do. I
Speaker 1: have a question about Orlando. So when you're there, this
Speaker 1: is just just a question for me. The social center
Speaker 1: are there? Is it like actually the theme parks or
Speaker 1: no way, no way, no way, okay, because literally when
Speaker 1: I was on a grinder and this is this is
Speaker 1: why I asked the question. When I was on grinder,
Speaker 1: every gay guy on Grinder, if you click on their
Speaker 1: like info, like what they like to do, it's all
Speaker 1: pictures of them at the theme parks and it's because
Speaker 1: there's so many Disney gays to be near the part
Speaker 1: of my there's a part of my personality which is that,
Speaker 1: and so we've resisted it so far. But like when
Speaker 1: I was down there, I was like, God, like, this
Speaker 1: is like something that like in a in a like
Speaker 1: upside down stranger things universe, Like I am this like
Speaker 1: Disney gay. Who's like and on my Saturdays I go
Speaker 1: to Epcot and I drink around the world. There's definitely
Speaker 1: those gays, which I love them and I say hello
Speaker 1: to them. But you're literally opening up grinder like at
Speaker 1: fucking Pork Caribbean or Port. It wasn't but I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess, you know it might be right the property,
Speaker 1: you idiot, you're not out in the city, stupid. It
Speaker 1: is the dumbest question I've ever Honestly, they're big parks,
Speaker 1: so I didn't know. Like also, it's like a lot
Speaker 1: of people work there. Well, no one really lives around there.
Speaker 1: It's all hotels like like like kiss or you live,
Speaker 1: Like no one lives in the Cinderella Castle. I'm an idiot, shocker.
Speaker 1: For a price, it's a hotel. Now see it's like
Speaker 1: the Cinderella Say, would you want to stay there. I
Speaker 1: don't know that I stay in the castle. I think
Speaker 1: it is nice to stay in a castle in theory you,
Speaker 1: but it's also like a theme park that's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, thousands of people around you. Also, the Disney
Speaker 1: wedding of it all is truly scary, you guys, Like
Speaker 1: how much people will pay to get married in Disneyland.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is what I'm sort of embarrassed to
Speaker 1: be like out here, like, oh, well, I'm a Disney gay.
Speaker 1: It's because like the way that that can be taken
Speaker 1: is like so far. Okay, Okay, I've always wanted to
Speaker 1: do Gay Days though, Yeah, I mean I wish it's
Speaker 1: kind of les Yeah, let's go. I went. I heard
Speaker 1: it's a moment. So Michael Hartney and I went to
Speaker 1: Jeans Ago. We just happened to be there for some
Speaker 1: improv everywhere thing and we were in our Lando and
Speaker 1: then we were just like we had a day. We
Speaker 1: went to Pandora had just opened up. We went to
Speaker 1: Animal Kingdom. It was in the middle of Gay Days.
Speaker 1: All it is, you guys, you were matching T shirts
Speaker 1: and you travel in a group together, and that's it.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're on drugs. Literally not big yah, and like
Speaker 1: you might like make eye contact super intense at one point,
Speaker 1: but that's like every gay spaces. But I had a
Speaker 1: manager at my restaurant a long time ago tell me, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta go down to get doesn't it gets because
Speaker 1: everyone's just having sex everywhere. I was like, that's not
Speaker 1: it can't be. She's like, yeah, everyone's having sex over
Speaker 1: the over there, It's everywhere. And there was a woman
Speaker 1: telling me this, and I was like, how did you know.
Speaker 1: She's like, I got lots of friends that went. I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think they were telling you the truth.
Speaker 1: You can't have sex in Disney, even if it's like
Speaker 1: a day designated for gays. You can't just be fucking.
Speaker 1: And it's not even essentially, it's not like all of
Speaker 1: a sudden become a funk fest because like you open
Speaker 1: it up to mostly gay, it's like there's still kids there,
Speaker 1: it's still closes at tam Oh my god, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we should do gay Yeah, I would love. And also
Speaker 1: I am a season pass holder and oh of course
Speaker 1: you are a sp a week two weeks. I've been
Speaker 1: there for like three weeks and I already have a
Speaker 1: season past. I can replace that. I have been. Luckily,
Speaker 1: now I'm dating someone that also identifies us as a
Speaker 1: Disney not as a fall blown Disney guy. He would
Speaker 1: be furious if I said that about him. But you're
Speaker 1: you're proselytizing, You're gonna make it sure. I think it's time.
Speaker 1: I think it's time. I think it's typer. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, honey. This is the segment of the
Speaker 1: show we take one minute to rail again something in culture.
Speaker 1: It's the culture that we're saying, you know what, not this,
Speaker 1: not this? Please um and I have something, I have
Speaker 1: something to I should I go first, because let's go first.
Speaker 1: Let's let's have you go first. That's what That's what
Speaker 1: I meant. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so
Speaker 1: many as time starts now, I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: what Spotify thinks. So sometimes I'll be listening to a
Speaker 1: certain song and then Spotify will start thinking for itself
Speaker 1: and suggest something to come after. On my way over here,
Speaker 1: I was listening to Jesse j Thunder because I do
Speaker 1: forgotten Bob and I recently spoke about how it was
Speaker 1: a forgotten Bob and then the following song that came
Speaker 1: after that, and I don't think so high what I
Speaker 1: ever want to hear this? But was literally a sound
Speaker 1: effect of thunder for three minutes, and I thought to myself,
Speaker 1: what about this? I think Spotify was so fucking dumb.
Speaker 1: Spotify use its dumb branching thunder by just the day
Speaker 1: he's gonna want to hear the literal sounds of thunder.
Speaker 1: I don't know why it's on Spotify it is. I
Speaker 1: don't think they Spotify, if you're so smart, like and
Speaker 1: you know the playlists I want, like listening to kind
Speaker 1: of song I'm listening to, and then serve me that
Speaker 1: if I wasn't jested today, then give me I don't know,
Speaker 1: like Kylie Minogue or something or something of that ilk.
Speaker 1: I feel that Spotify is to take too much of
Speaker 1: an active role in my life. I don't think so honey,
Speaker 1: I can make my own choice. And that's one minute.
Speaker 1: Can I offer something. I think what happened was it
Speaker 1: was not an algorithm like discover weekly playlists. I think
Speaker 1: you searched in the search bar thunder, And can I
Speaker 1: tell you something? This is what happened? What happened? And
Speaker 1: and it was it just made it and in the
Speaker 1: order can confirm. Okay, So it was more me being
Speaker 1: an idiot. Actually, Spotify is really good at creating playlists
Speaker 1: crafted to your mood. So seasonal playlist on Spotify. If
Speaker 1: you want to hear the recent chart toppers, listen to
Speaker 1: our tar Toppers playlist on Spotify. And also country hits.
Speaker 1: I do listen to the country here. That's my Spotify voice.
Speaker 1: That's really good. That's really good. Whatever, that's the same
Speaker 1: whiteo voice that's on like Wendy Williams. That's like after
Speaker 1: this RuPaul spills the t on everything that's gagging and
Speaker 1: slaying not not not Wendy. That would be like Kelly,
Speaker 1: Kelly Ripper. After this, Janet Mock slays us with her
Speaker 1: knowledge what's going to happen when Susanne barsh comes in
Speaker 1: to stop our next Kelly? Can you imagine that would
Speaker 1: actually just come in and god dang face off, slay mothers,
Speaker 1: continue to slay. I'm Deborah that woman also on E
Speaker 1: it's always like, well, Kim Kardashian turned it out on
Speaker 1: the gig. It's really bad. Okay, So bone Yang are
Speaker 1: you ready? I'm ready? This is think so honey, as
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so, honey, Marquis is
Speaker 1: a a safety hazard to have someone take out a
Speaker 1: ladder and a bunch of transparent letters and have to
Speaker 1: walk and go all the way up there and change
Speaker 1: it to you know, some stupid thing like Casey Musgraves
Speaker 1: at the at the beacon. No, you're putting a person's
Speaker 1: life in danger by doing that. Secondly, there are screens now.
Speaker 1: Ever heard of l C D, honey, L l C
Speaker 1: D right, L E D S. Look, there are screens now,
Speaker 1: and you can put pictures on those screens, and you
Speaker 1: can make so many fun things on screen scenes. The
Speaker 1: diodes can shine all kinds of light and make a
Speaker 1: picture and it shines and it glows in the dark,
Speaker 1: and you don't have to fucking put fluorescence behind the thing.
Speaker 1: And you know what, Marquis, you remind us of what
Speaker 1: show biz used to be like. And may I remind
Speaker 1: you back in the day, rape would happen. It still
Speaker 1: happens now, but back then it was more prevalent. In
Speaker 1: boards would not speak up about it to markets. Are
Speaker 1: reminder of how dark Hollywood, the underbelly of Hollywood used
Speaker 1: to be. That's one minute. And I love that you
Speaker 1: entered on rape. Okay, I will say about Markey's. But
Speaker 1: I saw my name on the market Webster. I was
Speaker 1: freaking out. I saw that. I was really nervous. No,
Speaker 1: I mean you earned it, you earned it well, thank you.
Speaker 1: You know it's it's scary. It's like sold out thy
Speaker 1: Sunderland Webster Hall, what's amazing. That's what makes me nervous,
Speaker 1: the words, because once you know that someone is paid, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like not just someone being like, sure, I'll go
Speaker 1: to this. It's someone who said to themselves, I'm going
Speaker 1: to spend money on the event. And that's when you
Speaker 1: don't want these people to be unhappy. Well, when I'm
Speaker 1: whenever I'm coming with an event and I'm like we're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out prices to make everything, you know,
Speaker 1: pay everybody and have everything work, I'm like, God, would
Speaker 1: I paid this amount of money to go to this?
Speaker 1: That's what it's worth, every dollar, it's worth every fact.
Speaker 1: But all every time I have that conversation with myself
Speaker 1: all the time. You know, some circuit parties are like
Speaker 1: hundred dollar tickets, a hundred fifty tickets for like a
Speaker 1: random Saturday night. I'm like, no, no, we're charging twenty
Speaker 1: dollar tickets to like a comedy show. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: no way. Yeah, Like I'm from the UCTV school of like,
Speaker 1: isn't it supposed to be isn't it supposedly five dollars
Speaker 1: to see ninety minutes of improv like tickets. I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's got to be a mistake. We can tell everybody, Um,
Speaker 1: no matter your means, going to a t und event
Speaker 1: is always worthwhile, I mean truly, like we like we
Speaker 1: hype it up. Like among our among our group chats
Speaker 1: were always like, oh god, we gotta go to tye
Speaker 1: thing and then we're going to buy an outfit. We're
Speaker 1: going to do this and that, and that means here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know anyone that's not excited when you have something.
Speaker 1: And here's I'm excited for what he has in this regard,
Speaker 1: which is that on things. So, honey, yes, this is ready.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited. This is silly, but we love this
Speaker 1: ty Sunderlan. I don't think so, honey. As time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Health foods covered in plastics,
Speaker 1: Like like, I'm just trying to enjoy a salad. Now
Speaker 1: I have all this plastic, got like what do I do?
Speaker 1: If they do I have to go home and wash
Speaker 1: it out? And then recycling, recycling is so complicated to
Speaker 1: like what are we even doing with this? Why? Why
Speaker 1: is there no one system where it's like, oh, everyone
Speaker 1: knows how to do it. They're teaching us the fucking
Speaker 1: like pythagorant theory, but we don't know how to recycle.
Speaker 1: What is going on in these fucking schools. I just
Speaker 1: want to enjoy my salad, enjoy my fresh cut fruit
Speaker 1: without feeling like, oh my god, I'm like polluting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I can already I get fries in like
Speaker 1: a fucking paper carton. Why can't I get a salad
Speaker 1: in a paper like? Yeah? Like what is going on?
Speaker 1: I just want some health food. I'm gay I need
Speaker 1: a salad and plastic and it's it's plastic. It's the
Speaker 1: worst too. And can I say I'm also delivery. We
Speaker 1: got to come up with a better way to deliver food,
Speaker 1: Like it's always coming in plastic and I'm just always
Speaker 1: like I'm the fucking worst. Anyway, I'm gonna eat this sushi. Wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: So you know what honestly, the hip the hypocrisy has
Speaker 1: been attacked here today and I'm I'm very appreciative of it.
Speaker 1: I wish it was music related, Like we talked so
Speaker 1: much about music. I should have done a music honestly
Speaker 1: much about it. I constantly am confronting, especially now with
Speaker 1: so much talk about the climate as we need to
Speaker 1: have in l A. Where it's like you're so much
Speaker 1: more acutely aware of like how dangerous sh is because
Speaker 1: of forest fires, forest fires literally every fifteen minutes, and
Speaker 1: the air pollution is truly bad. Like I'm always thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, like and it seems like you never get
Speaker 1: a single straw in l A. Like l A seems
Speaker 1: to be aware of it in a way that maybe
Speaker 1: New York is coming, But it's like I constantly am thinking,
Speaker 1: like what are we doing to harm the environment? Which
Speaker 1: is good, but it's also like me not getting a
Speaker 1: bag is not saving the fucking world, you know, Like
Speaker 1: we need large systemic change if we're actually gonna be
Speaker 1: like it's not some bootstrap sort of thing like oh
Speaker 1: got to get the climate change fixed. You know. It's
Speaker 1: what Liz Warren said one time. She was like she
Speaker 1: was like you like, not buying straws is not the problem.
Speaker 1: It's the fucking people at the top. We're creating everybody
Speaker 1: because it's like you know your ear exactly right. It
Speaker 1: needs to start in big, big, big ways, which is
Speaker 1: why I'm so propelled by like this idea that like
Speaker 1: we need a centrist to bring us together. No, we
Speaker 1: need like incredible sdemic mandated change literally right now. And
Speaker 1: I would even go as far as to say, and
Speaker 1: I think what Liz Warren was talking about, which she
Speaker 1: was like, they want you to be talking about sucking straws.
Speaker 1: They want you to be like, yeah, concerned. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's such a distraction. It's like they want you to
Speaker 1: feel like you're making some change that actually has has
Speaker 1: a negligible effect on all of us. So anyway, Wow,
Speaker 1: we're so woke. How much is she killing it right now?
Speaker 1: Oh she's love her, love her. I mean, y'all. Sketch
Speaker 1: last night was so good. That was a seedy green
Speaker 1: Frian glaspeed joints. It really was great. I thought that
Speaker 1: was such an amazing moment. It truly was. It did
Speaker 1: feel like a real those little moments like having Billy
Speaker 1: Porter there, it was like a real it was a
Speaker 1: real reach out to the like, Hi, there's people here
Speaker 1: that are like writing, yes, that are involved in your community. Yes, yes, um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I um. I'm trying my best to make
Speaker 1: small changes both. Look, if Jane Fani can get arrested
Speaker 1: with her granddaughter, with her granddaughter, she moved her asked
Speaker 1: to d C to be in the middle of the
Speaker 1: she said she's gonna stay there until fucking after Christmas. No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying that's pretty huge. Gret is inspiring me so much.
Speaker 1: I'm moving to d C. I'm staying here to whatever. Jane.
Speaker 1: That's a little good Jane, it's a it's a little
Speaker 1: bit of share. And her teeth are hitting her tongue
Speaker 1: in the wrong way. But like I said, I said
Speaker 1: to Frankie Grand Franking Boots, So I said to Boone
Speaker 1: before I last night, I fell down an Ann Curry wormhole,
Speaker 1: and I eventually hit like when there was no more
Speaker 1: Am Curry content, I finally hit like Megan Kelly and
Speaker 1: I was just like, fuck her. But I did watch
Speaker 1: her interview with Jane, and Jane's amazing in it, and
Speaker 1: she asked Jane Fonda, like, what about your plastic surgery.
Speaker 1: What about that? We're going to talk about that? You
Speaker 1: want to talk about this? And then there was like
Speaker 1: I started a whole few between them and I'm like,
Speaker 1: Jane fund Is Rule of Culture number seventy seven, Jane
Speaker 1: Fonda Is, period is is the verbs and there's no object,
Speaker 1: and you know who else is tyson Um. We were
Speaker 1: really looking forward to that, and we're talking so excited
Speaker 1: looking forward to this. We've been like you truly created
Speaker 1: all the best nights of our summer, and I mean
Speaker 1: it was like it was like a very it was
Speaker 1: a big summer for us, and we like, definitely it's
Speaker 1: still all your party's managed to be the highlight, such
Speaker 1: an incredible that they were like ten poles for us.
Speaker 1: I think because it was it was crazy summer for us,
Speaker 1: a lot of changes happening, Matt was sort of planning
Speaker 1: out his his l a move, a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: was going on. We were just like, okay, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's just like it was a fun summer and yours
Speaker 1: you were an incredible, huge part of that. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure that every old queer out there is kind of
Speaker 1: just like absolutely feeling the same way. We're very excited
Speaker 1: to see I always hear it's so thank you. Um,
Speaker 1: you'll hear it for a very long time from us,
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Um, And please go check out ties events,
Speaker 1: Um Love Prison, have it on Earth, Devil's Playground and Eve.
Speaker 1: Yes ready, it'll be announced in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: So New Year's Eve. I have a venue confirmed with
Speaker 1: a twenty four hour liquor license, so it is going
Speaker 1: to be from nine pm until noon the next day
Speaker 1: selling liquor the entire time, all fifteen hours. And the
Speaker 1: theme is y two k Rave so it is. It
Speaker 1: is me and my daughter Lennox producing it, and it's
Speaker 1: going to be starting as like a nineties party like it,
Speaker 1: but then at midnight the world ends and it becomes
Speaker 1: a trans rave. Wow. We love that. Is there a
Speaker 1: date when tickets go on sale for that? Um middle
Speaker 1: of November? Cool? So right? Okay, So are you going
Speaker 1: to be in New York of Halloween? Yes? I would
Speaker 1: be New York call of Halloween. I'm not doing anything major.
Speaker 1: I'm doing something with Angela and Banjie on Halloween proper
Speaker 1: and then I'll be doing a party after. But I
Speaker 1: love that. Wow. Wow. The Man, the Man, the Man,
Speaker 1: the myth the lahnd um we are every episode with
Speaker 1: the song we sure do. So whatever you and I
Speaker 1: trying to add natural, have you been backing la me?
Speaker 1: Do we know the song? Let's go, Let's let's go
Speaker 1: to the end because the end of the chorus. I'll
Speaker 1: never tell them you're not so what we're doing right now, Britney.
Speaker 1: But the actual that what I was trying to get
Speaker 1: to was I put on put on my poll and
Speaker 1: I thought you wanted to go all the way to
Speaker 1: the end, and here you were tricking me up. Go
Speaker 1: ahead take it. So it's a bad song. It's a
Speaker 1: terrible song. Look gonna go by. This has been a
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