1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: Forever, look may oh, I see you? Why why? And 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: look over there? How is that nulture? Yeah? Goodness? Let 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: ding calling little lilt. We were discussing catch phrases, new catchphrases, 4 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: and I don't have any, but you seem to be 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: working with some new things. I'm always loving the opportunity 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: to have a platform for the new catchphrase. And now 7 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: I'm loving two new ones that I've noticed you using. Well, 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: one that I noticed you using and one that you 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: told me that you've been using lately. So the one 10 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: that I've noticed you using is saying, well, the headline 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: is blank, so I was just sure, but this is 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: I I can't attribute that to me. It's just something 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: I've picked up. I love. It's not a creation. That's okay, 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: You're you're propagating it. So you're saying, like, um, whatever, 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: brunch was fine, but the headline is the mimosas were great. Yeah, 16 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: And like that's an example. And then the other one, 17 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: can you know, the one is everyone when something is 18 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: shaking your world. So, for example, we'll talk about Camilla's 19 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: new album. All right, So I arrived at the studio 20 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: today and I've been listening to new Camilla and I'm 21 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: I'm gagged. I actually have to come out today as 22 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: a Camilla's fan. So what I would say about this 23 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: new album is when I listened to it, I would 24 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: say the word all rock has been used. She's given 25 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: me some almost alternative rock wisps in her new music. 26 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. What are your references like? Like, feel 27 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: she's serving you some atlantis? Oh, I feel like she 28 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: has made a turn away from and this is again 29 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: so that the headline is the thing I'm saying is 30 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: the word blank has been used. Okay, so the word 31 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: breakout has been stop. But this is so this is 32 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: the little brag from my girl, just a literal alert. 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: This is the this is the new catch the word 34 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: the word the word blank has been the word blank 35 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: has been now moving out to Camilla, which is culture. Yes, 36 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: just what this podcast we should be talking we should 37 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: be talking about it. I just want to say Camilla 38 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: is saying both her performances at SNL were I'm sorry 39 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: but giving you acting. Okay, we can talk about her wardrobe, 40 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: we can talk about it, but in terms of the 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: musical content, it's it's good we're being served and we're 42 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: also it's it's risky stuff. For me. It feels very 43 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: emotional and lyrical and almost like pop rocky. But listen, 44 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: that's what she was giving you on her eponymous album, 45 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: her debut solo album. I mean, never be the Same 46 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: and Never Be the Same is so good, Such a 47 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: slow simmer of a song that just like grows and grows, 48 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: and oh it's so thick and juice. I feel even 49 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: a progression on this. Do you know the song speechless? 50 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: That song is be good and easy is easy, is 51 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: very good, not to be tampered, not to be tampered with. 52 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: And wow, I mean what I mean? Yeah, I are 53 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: we standing Chamilla in this house? So anyway, those are 54 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: the headlines. It's been a long time since we've recorded 55 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: you and I hear sitting together. We have backlog, we've backlodged, 56 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think we've um backlog and and 57 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: the listeners are a little upset. But we but here, 58 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: we are, here, we are and we will we will 59 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: have this worked out. I think we have proposed solutions 60 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: to each other that I think, well, everyone will be 61 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: very happy way, so don't you worry about that. And 62 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: can I tell you what the headline is from me 63 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: in l A driving okay, behind the wheel of a car, 64 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: and it's not good. It's dangerous. Okay, Okay, let's let's 65 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: get into this. But I just want to say that 66 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: that is not the best use of that phrase. The 67 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: headline is driving driving, that's great. So are you good 68 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: at it? Are you bad at it? What are your 69 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: what are your habits? What do you like to do? 70 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: What's your what's your comfortable point? My habit is panicking. 71 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: So I'm in a habit of every time I get 72 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: in the car being like, well, this year, here we go, 73 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: and I do have a full ask license. I don't 74 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: want anyone to be concerned. I am legally allowed to 75 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: be there. It's just that, like, you know, let's just 76 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: say I don't always know that I can make a 77 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: turn onto a street. I just I'm doing it, Okay, 78 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Does that make sense? Like 79 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: if there's a if there's a red light, and I'm 80 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: trained to turn right on red, I don't know some 81 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: cities and cities haven't figured out what the situation is 82 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: with l A, but I am turning right on red. 83 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: I think if you're in a part of town where 84 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: the buildings are more than ten stories tall. I think 85 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: what I think you can't? No, no, no, this is 86 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: my arbitrary made up okay, because for all I know, 87 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: that could be really And I'm like, what, like I 88 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: just learned that you can't park where there's a red 89 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: paint on the sidewalk. What the fund is this? That's 90 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: what it means. That's that's thenation. But it's Um, I 91 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: feel like in a heavily in a dense urban area, 92 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: you can't make right turns on red Okay, So I 93 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: think that should be your rule of thumb. But just 94 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: I just turned. I can't drive without turning on the ways. 95 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: As long as you have ways, it won't, it'll it'll. 96 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: I have my and you know, luckily my whatever device. 97 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm using a Google like drive Directions regular app. 98 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: So maybe I shouldn't. Maybe I should get a better one, 99 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: Maybe I should get ways. And all I know is 100 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: the woman who's talking to me from the phone, Yeah, 101 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: oh this gives me enough time, Like it's like you 102 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: need to turn right here. I always have enough time. 103 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: And I'm thankful to that woman, who we'll call Allison. Allison. Um, 104 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: I think you'll get better at it. I think it's 105 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: something that people acqual It's a skill that people acquire 106 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: through through time and practice. Um, please be careful, I'm going. 107 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm I'm extraordinarily careful. Parting is very much a thing. 108 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: But I'm here in one piece. And can I tell 109 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: you what they don't have in l A. They don't 110 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: have our guests. They don't have our guests, and they 111 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: are talking about it. They don't have our guests, are 112 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: they really? Because you go into some piste off queens 113 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: who are like, please give us songs with damn lyrics? 114 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: Do you want to know? And they're but they're also 115 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: just saying the vibe is not present in Los Angeles. 116 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, I know it's not shade. It's just 117 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: a stating of the facts that, like, you don't have 118 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: parties like but you know what that in Los Angeles 119 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: you do not be Also in New York you don't 120 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: have parties like let's say ospin Off where they sell 121 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: giant slices of watermelon outside. We love, we love, and 122 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: we stand. But it's it's it's not I mean, nothing 123 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: can compare. Nothing. Talked about how much fun we had 124 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: this year at Pride. This year at Pride we had. 125 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: That was one of the best parties I've ever been to. Mind, 126 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: I was gonna say superlative, the funnest night of my life. 127 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: Our guest is a working entertainer. It was the funnest 128 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: night of my life. It was all the people I 129 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: cared about and loved in one place. It wasn't even 130 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: about like, you know, debauchrous behavior or sex or anything. 131 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: I truly like joy. It was pure joy. I was 132 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: so it was just so so fun And there's and 133 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: like there was such a history around the party, Devil's 134 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: Playground and bringing it to Webster Hall and like bringing 135 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: sort of that back into Webster Hall with like this 136 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: queer uh he's sort of like uh funnel like Athos. 137 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: Truly truly truly got like I get emotional thinking about it, 138 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: and also just talk about music that you hear and 139 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: you're like he turned to someone on your side and 140 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: you go, who is this fag? This which you know? 141 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: I am Madison the Third I don't know a better DJ. 142 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: The moment moment of Devil's Playground, both Pride and Back 143 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: to School was him playing who do you Think You Are? 144 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: By Spice Girls and all of us, O, my God, 145 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: this song. It's it's you. It's a gift to be 146 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: able to pull out of thin there the next song 147 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: that you know what I mean, like you in your 148 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: heart knew it was the next song. And I'll tell 149 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: you something. You take to the feeling into emotion by Mariah. 150 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: You can't be the gag every time you hear since 151 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: you've been gone in a set the gag. I literally 152 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: it'll be a since you bring up will come on. 153 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: Everyone will drop their arms and all my friends that 154 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: know me will look at me and I'll just go 155 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: I'll just not like that. I'm telling them I'm okay. 156 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: And Ty has our guest, has facilitated that for you. Okay. 157 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: So it's Devil's Playground and Webster Halt to come back 158 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: on Valentine's Um Love Prism at three dollar Bill Gay 159 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: Flower in the summertime themed Booze Cruises basically um Circle 160 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: line and oh my God, what else means? Heaven on 161 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: Earth truly take over? Uh, It's New York Knite life 162 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: is going through newyr gay Knight life is going through 163 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: a moment right now, and even even like I was 164 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: gonna say say even but like Susan Barsht esque s 165 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: but like of that, of that DNA. It's it's all 166 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: glooming back in this way. That's very exciting that everyone 167 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: feels a part of an included um and good about 168 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: it and good about it um. So we're so happy 169 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: to have our guests and talk the name, know the name. 170 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: Please welcome to your ears. Tie Sunderland Tie is called We. 171 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: We saw Tie at Webster Hall for Back to School 172 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: Devil's Playground and we said you have to come on 173 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: the pot and then Tie says the thing that I 174 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: will never forget. He goes, oh, I have to you 175 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: guys are gay hardball and we laughed. In days it's 176 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of things going on. Everyone's talking. 177 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: It's like culture culture, culture, Like it's like really loud. 178 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, this is gay hard I mean I 179 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: thought I thought about like what gay hardball would actually 180 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: be if I actually were Christ Matthews, like asking Kelly 181 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: on Convery, how do your bottom hardball? In that way? 182 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: But I'm happy that that's I'm happy that Chris Matthews 183 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: isn't here. I don't trust him to ask you those questions. No, no, 184 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 1: of course not. I trust Bowen, but not in that 185 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: abrasive way. No, but that's Chris Matthew's Christ Matthews ERG, 186 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: that's Chris Matthew's energy tie. Um, how was however these 187 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: past two weeks both weeks I meant to I bought tickets. Um, 188 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: I meant to go oh sorry I um oh no, 189 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: I didn't buy tickets for Love Prison, but I unceremoniously 190 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: damn you and was like, hey, I might be able 191 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: to come up. I may roll through. I may roll through. Um, 192 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: how are they? How are the last two parties? They 193 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: were amazing? Great? Yeah? I mean how is orange? Orange? Was? 194 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: It was a nice move orange, Like you know the 195 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: colors for Love Prison. Every time more and more people 196 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: are wearing the color, and like orange is such a bright, 197 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: chaotic energy. It was, yes, yes, but it was like 198 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: very chaotic, and I was like, I was like, wow, 199 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people are in orange, and like who 200 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: owns orange? Honestly I own some orange items, but it's 201 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: truly once in a year moment that you wear anything. 202 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: Right right next when it's gold, that will be fun, yes, 203 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: because I was going to do yellow but liked because 204 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: once you've done yellow, you can't do gold exactly. Oh 205 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: that's not true. I believe it is, but I mean 206 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: by the time you've done yellow, you want to move 207 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: on to something else, right, right, right? I live in 208 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: the same family. Okay, that's true, And we're doing gold 209 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: and I think that will be I think people will 210 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: turn out with their gold stuff. And then there's a 211 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: Navy one beginning of next year because and then I 212 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: will be doing a full spectrum party. It's like a 213 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: full of colors. I want to do like a warehouse function. 214 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: Now I would say that you have some you have 215 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: one party for like every kind of scale of group 216 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: of people. Does that make sense? Is that? Like that's 217 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: that's all intentional? Right? How do you program out your 218 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: own stuff? Like? Is that? Um? I just try to 219 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: be like diversify as much as I can. Like, I 220 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: don't want to be the one pop d J. I 221 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: don't want to be like the house guy. I want 222 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: to be doing a bit of everything. Great finger in 223 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: every pot? Okay? And what what? What pots are there 224 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: that have no fingers in them? Well? That's like literally 225 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: what I was looking around when I started like coming 226 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: up with my own parties. After having on Earth with 227 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: such a success, I was like, well, what else is it? 228 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: Happening because there's no like big pop party. It's either 229 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: you're in like a big rave setting listening to house 230 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: music and techno, or you're in the basement of monster 231 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: right on like a broken sound system. You know how 232 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: much communication is there between you and the space of 233 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: like what kind of vibe? Just say, like you come 234 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: in and do your I literally rent out the space 235 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: and no questions are asked. Wow, I was wondering about that, 236 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: But then I've been I've seen you on the day 237 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: or the week of an event, let's say Devil's Playground, 238 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: and it seems like you approach it with the same 239 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: kind of creative anxiety that like we would like a 240 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: show that is nowhere near as big as a Webster 241 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: Hall of thing. But it's like no, But that's what 242 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: I mean when I say you're an entertainer like that, 243 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: you are like facilitating and controlling that environment. So that 244 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: is a huge show. That is a huge entertainment responsibility. 245 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: The day of Pride, I was in Mobile. I could 246 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: not walk, I couldn't like I was catrified. Well, I 247 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: mean it's such a big space and like being there 248 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: all day doing setup, I was like I have to 249 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: deja on this fucking stage, you know, Like it's one 250 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: thing to like produce the party, but then I have 251 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: to perform, yeah, and like I have to be introducing 252 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: like these acts and stuff, and I'm like my big 253 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: thing is like, how am I going to introduce Kim? 254 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: Like like you know, no, not many people know she's performing, 255 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: and like I'm like, I don't. I'm like, I'm not 256 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: going to introduce her. I'm not going to say who's 257 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: coming out on stage? Right, And you didn't. You didn't 258 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: say anything. She just came out. I was like, I 259 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: was like, please make someone for the next performer, like 260 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: like and she trotted herself and I was like, I 261 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: want everyone to know that it's Kim when they hear 262 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: the beginning of I don't know, I don't, like I mean, 263 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: and then she just comes out to that and that's 264 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: like wow, Yeah, it's like drama and I really appreciate that, 265 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: Like it's it's got such a flow, it does have 266 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: a narrative, it's it's so much fun. Honestly, there really 267 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: is something to just like when the when the song 268 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: shifts to those next iconic moments of a song, that's 269 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: when you really realize, like those opening moments of a 270 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: pop song are hugely important, and the iconography of that 271 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: song where everyone's keys into it and they're like whoa, yeah, 272 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: I don't know that's that's just what it felt like 273 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: all night. And I used to stay to that and 274 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: that's very incredible, now, was it. No, this is what 275 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: Josh told me. Della's playground a party at Webster Hall. 276 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: Drag party Webster Hall in the twenties. Yes, so um. 277 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: They used to have a drag party at Webster Hall 278 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: a hundred years ago and it was the only place 279 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: in the city that you could see drag really and 280 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: so it was nicknamed the Devil's Playground. And so when 281 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: I was going through the history Webster and like coming 282 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: up with, like, you know, my idea, my manager was like, well, 283 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: you know what, it used to be called Devil's playground, 284 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: like when they had their gay parties there. But you 285 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: can't call it Devil's playground because I know you you're 286 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: just gonna go around calling it a a d P. I 287 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: was like, oh, um, okay, well, I guess we're calling 288 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: a Devil's playground. Because I was looking for an abbreviation. 289 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: I wanted loves and I mean we are we are 290 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: in for all types of purposes. LC. By the way, 291 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: there is a there's Mimosa material in front of us 292 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: and I forgot to pop it. So this is what 293 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: I'll say, one, two, three, and I'm this still makes 294 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: me nervous to this day. Just do it. Here we go, baby, 295 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: that will always make me nervous. And now I'm going 296 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: to service the mimosas. But yes, resume thoughts on Camilla 297 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: h talk honestly, okay, um, I don't think I really 298 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: have an opinion about her, like really, for like, in 299 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: terms of playing her music, I like playing Havana, but 300 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: that's really it because it's the only song that's been 301 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: iconic so far. I mean, even just stuff that works 302 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: in club space is like you know Miley for example, 303 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: like her new album was you can't play any of 304 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: that in the club on a role which had no 305 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: promotion whatsoever. You play now at a gay bar, everyone 306 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: freaked the fox out. It's like the first five seconds 307 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: of that song. And if it's like you know it's coming, 308 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: you know it's already a classic. I mean that's that 309 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: is the vibe whenever it comes on. But like this, 310 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: this is the thing. It's like there's no telling, at 311 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: least for the gays. There's no like proportion of like 312 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: promotional muscle behind a song or like an artist or 313 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: an album. Two The response, I guess does that make sense? 314 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: I just it does. I just feel like it's so 315 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: funny to me that, like it's obvious to me that 316 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: she must not care about making that kind of music 317 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: right now, she's genuinely making music that she wants to 318 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: make because it's so easy for her to just be 319 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: involved with something that is that level. By the way, cheers, 320 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: it is Sunday. The is our brunch. Will nothing else truly, 321 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: I mean I could right. I'm curious about ties schedule, 322 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: sleep schedule, what is whatever. It's all over the place, honestly, 323 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: because like Tuesdays and Wednesdays, I work late, so like 324 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: I'll get home like four, and I'll be bed by 325 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: five weekends random, but and then like Sunday, Monday, Thursday, 326 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: I'm hopefully in bed by midnight. So it's like you're 327 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: doing you're doing a seven a m or yeah, but 328 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: then but then on the other evening, but then you 329 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: wake up at like noon or what like two. Okay. 330 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: I love my sleep, and I think that is like 331 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: everyone always thinks I'm much younger than I actually am, 332 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: and it's fully because I get ten hours and there 333 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: you go. That is crucial. Yeah, that is crucial. Wait 334 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: where you would were you? Were you at in my U? No, 335 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: but you went to school here in New York. I 336 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: went to school at Purchase in Westchester amazing. Yeah, my 337 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: parents would't let me go to school in the city 338 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: because I said I'd be out every night. And they're 339 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: not wrong. Where they where? They would you always from 340 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: high school age? Where you going out? Where did you 341 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: grow up? I grew up in Florida, so like I 342 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: grew up like going to house parties and stuff. But 343 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: like pretty much the second I turned eighteen, I was 344 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: like into music, playing music, producing music, like going to raves. 345 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 1: Like I I've always been about it. The culture culture. 346 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: I guess that must have been something accessible in Florida. 347 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: But it's very accessible. I mean there's like dance music 348 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: on the radio, so like that's how I actually started 349 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: djaying was because when I went to Purchase, there were 350 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: no parties where you could hear dance music. Everyone was 351 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: like sitting around listening like a Yeah, I was like, no, 352 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: this isn't for me. I was like, I'm just going 353 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: to throw my own parties. And then I couldn't find 354 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: a DJ. I was like, Okay, I guess I have 355 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: to do it too. And so was it just as 356 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: simple as like let me put some playlists together, and 357 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: like you started that way fully, Yeah, I'd be like, 358 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: let me put my iPod on, you know when everyone 359 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: needs to just plugging an ox. Yeah, that's like what 360 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: I do a partis like this music sucks? Can I 361 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: put some music on? And then I was like, Wow, 362 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: you're really good at you a DJ? And I'm like, no, 363 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: this is just like what I listened to see. You've 364 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: always been good at that. To the you'r a playlist queen, 365 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: and I like like making them. I don't always make 366 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: good ones. I don't know, yeah, but they always come 367 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: from you, you know what I mean? Like I always 368 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: think it's it's almost it's almost well it is. It's 369 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: like whenever you're like writing something, it's like it's like 370 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: that's like a little. If they're really good, they can 371 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: be like entertainment. It's it's a little, it's it's a 372 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: form of expression. Absolutely, Yeah, playlist start. I don't I 373 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: also love your names for playlists. Yes, I'll be I'll say, well, 374 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: no they're not like too clever. Sometimes they try to 375 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: sometimes they try to be too clever. This I'm I 376 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: feel very vulnerable right now talking about it is a 377 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: vulnerable thing because that's the thing too. It's like when 378 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: people are listening to your stuff, it's like your taste, 379 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: and so if they're not to respond to something that 380 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: has to be like a moment, you're basically saying like, 381 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: this is what I like people are, and people can 382 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: be like, oh well this is like yeah, you have 383 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: awful taste. Well then okay, so then let's lock us 384 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: through different parties where you'll do like okay. So so 385 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: DP is very much pop party, huge space. It's it's 386 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: pop meets like big room classic anthems, you know, like 387 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: like it's like you hold the pop stuff and then 388 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna hear like, um, you know, was it mad 389 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: enough for me? Tony Braxton or like like um, how 390 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: did you get here? Which which is the best song 391 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: of all times? I mean it'd be hard to argue. 392 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: It's pretty, it's pretty wild. And then but then for 393 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: love President, you'll do like you'll do like um, disco 394 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: e stuff. It's like disco leaning. House leaning is just 395 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: like very joy based, how stuff that has vocals in it, 396 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: you know, because like a lot of the parties in 397 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: New York that playhouse music, it's like kind of dark. 398 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: It's like dark energy, and it's like it's you know, 399 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: there's different strokes for different folks. But I was like, 400 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: I want to go to a party where I can 401 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: just like feel joy, but not necessarily pop music. You know. 402 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: I was like I was already doing pop music, Like 403 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: how do I create that joy with different music? But 404 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: it feels like we're still in a place where the 405 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: music is on owns, no lyrics, no words, nothing to 406 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: latch onto. And it's it's good for if you're like, yeah, 407 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: in a K hole. What I think they're for a 408 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: certain vibe that is what it requires. Nine times out 409 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: of ten. If I want to go out, I want 410 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: to hear a damn song. Oh, I mean yes for us, 411 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: I think like if this crowd and I love I 412 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: love the Circuit Boys so much, but just be open 413 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: to maybe dancing and sucking dick to a song with 414 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: words in it. I don't know. I think the Last 415 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: Love Prison they're definitely coming around. Like there was a 416 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: lot of yeah, yeah, it's getting How does it make 417 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: you feel, Um, I'm crossing over? Yes, yeah, there we 418 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: go for everyone. Yeah, exactly what I don't This is 419 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: just me not understanding how circuits work. I famously called 420 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: poppy juice circuit party on this podcast. Um, and they 421 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: gave me a short for it. But it's fine, Um, 422 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: we make mistakes here, please, you have to forgive. We 423 00:20:54,440 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: have a recursive duty. I would say that I would 424 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: like I would say that, like, if you're going to 425 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: cross over into circuit stuff, you're gonna have to like 426 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: throw like a circuit destination party, wouldn't you or you 427 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: wouldn't have to. But it's like, is that mean? I 428 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: would love to. I would love to do like a 429 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: big party somewhere else, you know. Well then I was 430 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 1: going to ask because with this l A stuff, they 431 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: want you they're bad because l A is happening. Can 432 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: I just say l A is happening? But I heard 433 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: about a rumor about a boat The boat is canceled 434 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: because literally I did. I did a poll on Instagram. 435 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, l A if I 436 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: do a boat party, you guys gonna come or not. 437 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: Everyone who said no lives in l A w whose ideas. 438 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: It was like, you know, like okay, but then I 439 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: see it on the map. But I was like, yeah, 440 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: Marina Delright is far from you. Sure it's harder to 441 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: get them out there. Yeah, I mean like when West 442 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: Hollywood is there, and when like even some stuff on 443 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: the East Side is there, it's hard to get I 444 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: think the gates to travel. Yeah, I mean it's not 445 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: New York. You know, it's different. I mean, the boat's 446 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: right there. But for l A, it's so weird because 447 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: the center of gravity is his West Hollywood so much 448 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: so it's like it's a it's a monopsy, which is 449 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: different than a than a monopoly where it's just like 450 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: one okay definition like one thing, like it's one thing 451 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: has contains all of it rather than one thing whatever. Anyway, Um, 452 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: I totally bift that. But I but it's like in 453 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: New York it's fun because there's this whatever. It's it's 454 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: more fragmented, it's more plural. It's like you can you 455 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: can get different people from different crowds together, where I 456 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: feel like in l A it's like you gotta you 457 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: gotta like appeal to one specific sector of the population, 458 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: and that is the only sector, and that is the 459 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: biggest sector of the game in terms of the queer popular. 460 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: It feels like there are West Hollywood gaze in their 461 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: East Side gays for sure. Yeah, like that's just there's 462 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: definitely more a fragmentation, whereas it's a little bit more. 463 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: But also in New York there's like hell's I mean, 464 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: it's it's really the same thing. Sort the number one 465 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: thing is just the travel of it all, and you 466 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: have to go to spaces that are big enough. But 467 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: like you've have you been to a you know you've 468 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: been of I haven't been to. Oh that's really fun. 469 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: So I have done one party in l a last May, 470 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: not this past May, the May before that, and I 471 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: did a warehouse downtown and it was like the Britney 472 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: theme and everything and it was great. But like I 473 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: was like, you know, everyone's gonna want a party to 474 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: like six o'clock in the morning. It was it was 475 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: done by three. Yeah, that's I mean, that's a whole 476 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: other thing. It's like you're in you just go home? 477 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: Really are you going to house parties in our which 478 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: I personally hate going to someone's house. It always feels 479 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: like the next like a last ditch destination. I like 480 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: as are like a game night culture. Yea, he is 481 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: a place celebrities that you know nothing. I feel like 482 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: from my sampling, it's just like let's play no bowe 483 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: Yang has never been on a plane, boone Yang has 484 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: only grown up in your He doesn't know any other culture. Absolutely, 485 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: But Ellie is happening though, But like what, like are 486 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: what can you drop? So next year? I mean obviously 487 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: I'd planned it around November. I had a weekend, had 488 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: a boat at everything going, and then I was like, no, 489 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,479 Speaker 1: this isn't gonna work, so now I have to like 490 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: start from scratch. Damn. It was gonna be for this 491 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: November this next year. I was about to announce it, 492 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: like like last week. I was going to announce it. 493 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: I had it already, and then I was like, no, 494 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 1: this isn't gonna work. Okay, if this is too painful, 495 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: you can not answer. But what what was what was 496 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: going to be key? Because it was gonna be it's 497 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: Brittany boat l a W Yeah okay, And then honestly 498 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: the bote of it all sunk. Itwhere we went to 499 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: Brittany boat herebulous um. I missed Gaga vote, but I 500 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: was gagged, like thinking about what I was. Did you 501 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: see a Quaries makeup for that? Yeah, she didn't. Aquaria 502 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: at the Fendy show that was. I was like, and 503 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: I was watching it with Dave and we were saying, like, 504 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: and the thing about Aquaria she can have the steps. 505 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, Like, not only does 506 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: she look amazing, um like, and it is part of 507 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: the diversity of the event, but it was like she 508 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: could fucking hit that. She's a performer. Yeah, I mean 509 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: talk about like the most knockdown drag out, one of 510 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: the most for me drag race wins. Like like you 511 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: watch some of these seasons now when you're like talking 512 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: about who should win, and you're like, funk, if a 513 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: Query was in this season, it wouldn't even be a 514 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: competition totally. I felt that about the last season for sure. 515 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: A great winner, a great winner. And I was watching 516 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: her on that show and I remember we saw you 517 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: after the Robin concert. Oh my god. Yeah, because I 518 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: went with Withy to Robina. That was hilarious. That was 519 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: a good show. That was That was like a religious 520 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: experience for me, She's another one where if you play 521 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: Robin you got him like this truly defining songs of 522 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: our generation. I I don't know if you guys saw 523 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: the Pitchfork list of songs was like three, Well, Dancing 524 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: my Own was like yeah, in the top five it 525 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: was for me. The top one to three were three, four, five, 526 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: I believe it was Dancing on my Own and Information 527 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: was in there, and then one other thing I'm Forgetting 528 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: was also up there, and I was like, that's a 529 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: great call, but what was what was what was the 530 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: number one for? It was all Right by Kendrick Right, Yeah, 531 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: I mean it's a great song, it's a it's a 532 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: great you can't argue with it. It's just for me. 533 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: It was like if you I see Dancing on my 534 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: Own at three, I'm like, that should be one. And 535 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: then and then Blonde was the number one album. Yeah, 536 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: there you go. I thought that was over all the 537 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: good list, but I was. I was on the podcast 538 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: Keep It last week and we were talking about how 539 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: for me, it's like it's always gonna go skew more 540 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: made stream like anything Pitchwork is saying like, of course, 541 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: I'm not listening to almost any music that men make, 542 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: except they're really big. Carly stands, they stand Harley so 543 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: hard to get it with her taste, taste, but they 544 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: hate Gaga. The only not one correct on the song list, 545 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: the only Gaga on the album list was Fame Monster, 546 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: and they were like two thousand nine. But it kind 547 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: of informed the rest of the decade after that, So 548 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: you can't I'm sorry, but you can't talk about the 549 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: two thousand tents of music. I understand she was more 550 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: popular in two thousand thousand nine, but you can't talk 551 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: about the last decade and music without even mentioning Lady Gaga. 552 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense. That doesn't least Born this Way, 553 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: something from Born this Way, or just throw something from 554 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: our pop on there, just to just to get out 555 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: of your own way, because our pop justice for our 556 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: pop of course in terms of tracks, in terms of 557 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: songs of the decade shallow. Why not just just think 558 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: it's it's ignorant to ignore it ignorant. It's ignorant. You 559 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: can't talk about the last ten years in culture and 560 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: then get to two thousand and not mention the star 561 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: is born like, talk about it however you want. But 562 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: it was a moment in culture. It was so last 563 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: year we did a Gaga boat and that song came 564 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: out like the day before the party happened, but everyone 565 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: already knew all the lyrics. Yeah, yeah, of shallow, you 566 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: have shallow. Yeah. So someone I played it and the 567 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: whole place was like singing along and like some s 568 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: Angela ever posted and the Bronson posted the video of 569 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: the boat. I'm like, wow, this is so cool now. 570 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: That was like a moment like that was like one 571 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: of those songs that for some reason, the melody of 572 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: it just like it's in your brain. It was kind 573 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: of like let It Go. I don't know if you 574 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: ever watched like kids sing let It Go, but like 575 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 1: I used to do children's some children's theater and to 576 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: warm them up, they would play this song let It Go. 577 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: And what would happen to the children. I can't describe it. 578 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 1: It was like a trance came over them where they 579 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: were just like Letica. It's almost made you feel like 580 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: what subliminal messages in this song to make them do this? 581 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: But something about Shallow, Like when we even heard like 582 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: the trailer or the show the trailer, and they were 583 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: showing that it was going to be a song. We 584 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: were like whatever that is and then it was. And 585 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: then I do feel that that song had a life 586 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: like let It Go did, where it was like just 587 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: always in the culture. I mean it won the Moscars, Yes, 588 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: I won the Oscars. It was a cinematic moment are 589 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: you gonna are you gonna do? Because Josh Sharp had 590 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: pitched you a Beyonce boat? Is that is that? Is 591 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: that going to be something in this next summer? Or no? 592 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: It's so hard to like because the boat I can 593 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: only do like three of them, right, It's like it's 594 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, who's going to be the top up three 595 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: selling because like really, you know, it's frankly not cheap 596 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: to rent a boat now, and like get all that going, 597 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: you break you make, you make a profit off the boat. 598 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: So I make a profit off the boat. Yeah, mostly okay, 599 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: but it's still like you know, who do you? Who 600 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: do I pick? With Brittany and Gaga. It's it's smart 601 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,239 Speaker 1: because it's like you get, you know, the vibe and 602 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: also everyone is a vocabulary for it. Yes, you know, 603 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: so those are knockouts always. And then this year it 604 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: was like Madonna because I was like, yeah, I knew 605 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: she was gonna be I knew she was going to 606 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: be like the surprise performer, so there's gonna be hyper 607 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: around and she's albumat I was like, let's do next year. 608 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna do Spice Girls because like, it's 609 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: been a while since I've done a Spice Girls party. 610 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: This January will be two years since I've done a 611 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: Spice Girls party. And I was talking to Bobby Campbell, 612 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: Gaga's manager, last he was like, he was watching Spice Holder, 613 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, what an iconic movie. 614 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: He's like, you need to do a gay flower Spicels. 615 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: I was like, that's perfect because the boats only three 616 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: hours and they only have two albums, so you know, 617 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: it's hard to do like a fower forever a rature Okay, okay, right, 618 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: I say goodbye five of them. If all five of 619 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: them are not on it, it's not Canady, right, You're right, right. 620 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I think Spice Gross Boat is a fucking hit, 621 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: And I do think if there was one of the 622 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: other girls that I could say you could build a 623 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: boat around, it was obviously be Beyonce. I mean Beyonce, 624 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: you get you know exactly what I would say Rihanna. 625 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 1: Rihanna has so many like dance songs, like this thing 626 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: with like Beyonce's music is like it's not all club ready, 627 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: It's right, you know, like some of it is. Most 628 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: of it is, especially a lot of Destiny's Child, a 629 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: lot of earlier stuff, but like her more recent stuff 630 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: besides Formation, none of it really works in a short 631 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: in different worlds. Well, I was gonna say the thread 632 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: for all the boats for the gate flower boats this 633 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: past summer, where it was it was Chrona launched them, Donna, Brittany, 634 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: Gaga in terms of like like pop star girl about 635 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,719 Speaker 1: and like successors to Madonna, even where Brittany was kind 636 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: of like the princess, and then Gaga comes in as 637 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: like the joker. The gesture, I would say, if you 638 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: wanted a threat and take a relieve it but definitely 639 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: leave it is um, if you wanted to start with 640 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: Spice Girls, you do girl groups where you do Spice Girls, 641 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: Destiny's Child and you throw stuff and then the third 642 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: Then the third one is like who I think it 643 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: would be so fun to do like just like a 644 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: girl group, but what you could fucking do is like 645 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: obviously Spice girls, Little Mix, Fifth Harmony, you could cc 646 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: it was just gonna say Destiny's Child, honestly, Pussycat Dolls 647 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: like you could, but I mean we can. We can 648 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: talk about how it's mostly in the call. We stand 649 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: in the cole in this house, Um, do you know 650 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: this so poison? I got that poison? I don't think so. 651 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's got so many bobs that were 652 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: only I literally already pitched my manager like I want 653 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: to get in a coal for pride, dude, the gaze 654 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: would there would be an army of boys. I had 655 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: to explain to my manager who she is, and I 656 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: was like, really, yeah, he's a game, but he's like 657 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: a bad gay. I think the thing is like, even 658 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: if you don't think you stand the culture singer, you do, 659 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: and you would fucking the second she plays buttons, you're 660 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: gonna be like on the floor. And also, don't you 661 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: mean don't don't stick with you? Even I stand a 662 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: ballad and stick with you every time? What's that song? Um? 663 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: It's funny how man only things about that Forever and 664 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: always so good? It's actually a real culture number fourteen 665 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: Forever and Always. I think a girl group bout yes 666 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: I don't have to be the boat, but it has 667 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: there's some container for girl groups. Okay, I mean maybe 668 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: it could be Heaven on Earth concept there, but it's 669 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 1: it is a good idea because honestly, and also just 670 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: to revisit Spice World for a second, I said it 671 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: on this podcast, but it is a communic tour to force. 672 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: Absolutely it is. It is a great film. It is 673 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: a comedy period and it's got a great performance. I 674 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: say snub for best Supporting Actress. It's Adams as Posh 675 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: Spice in Spice World. What are your line reads again 676 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: that you do? Um? It's this dress is dry clean 677 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: only Melanie. It's very good. Shut up Jerry, because they're 678 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: playing I spy on the hospital. I spy with my 679 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: little eyes something that is blue hospital. Shut up Jerry. 680 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: Just so it's the timing, wow, the actors timing. So 681 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: just you know, a great supporting cast includes coming and 682 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: Elton John He makes a cameo. Elton makes a cameo. Okay, 683 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: So speaking of this formative, we're talking Spice Girl. So 684 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: that brings me a little bit back, which makes me 685 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: want to ask the question bow and we got a 686 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: little preview of it before we hit record. I mean, 687 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: I just truly I know that there's a lot to 688 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: say about this topic. So we're gonna ask bow ahead, bone, 689 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,479 Speaker 1: take it ahead, Okay, take it away, Take it away. Hi, 690 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: what is the culture that made you say culture is 691 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: for me? This is the formative culture that moved your 692 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: life into a cultural direction, something you latched onto it 693 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 1: and imprinting early age Hansen. Okay, very good. I feel 694 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: like that's what I know is gay too, honestly, yes, 695 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: explain this go. I mean I feel like when you're 696 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: like young and queer and you don't know that you're queer, 697 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: Like you're like you're like, oh, I want to be 698 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: friends with them, but really like, oh, you have a 699 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: crush on them, and you just don't have the words 700 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: are Like even the concept of that you can have 701 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: a crush on was a boiler, Yeah, of course, right? 702 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: But was it that for me? The the imbut video 703 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: was like a sexual awakening. Yeah, I don't know what 704 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: it was. It was it was because it was and 705 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 1: this is why Hanson is queer. When they first broke out, 706 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: it was like my first kind of taste of androgyny. 707 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: I know that sounds crazy, but my Mom was like, oh, oh, 708 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: those girls are really pretty. I was like, Mom, there's 709 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: are boys and she was like, oh, I don't like that. 710 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: And I was just like, but Mom, I was like, 711 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 1: was it what was? She liked it until she found 712 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: out they were boys, like what's that about? It's yeah, 713 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: it's so funny because the way my like culture, I 714 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: guess on Long Island, like absorbed Hanson was it was 715 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: like they look like girls and like that means that 716 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: they must be bad. I remember, like inherently me as 717 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: a kid watching Hanson and be like, I don't like 718 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,919 Speaker 1: this because I think I want I I really saw 719 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: in my culture as boys as boys and girls as girls, 720 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: and the fact that they had long hair like through me. 721 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: But I remember Bob is such a forgive me, but 722 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: Bob that it was like this music is there's something 723 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: to it, And now with their new iteration you realize 724 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: it's because they've always been musicians. Those have been great 725 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: pop songwriters and musicians. They whoever's on the drums slays 726 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 1: the fucking drums. But I want to say that I'm Hanson. 727 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: Hanson broke the binary and that's actually a rule of 728 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: culture in handsOn broken the binary. Now because I didn't 729 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,760 Speaker 1: listen to their album though I have to be honest, 730 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 1: I only listen to him, I mean expert here. They 731 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: have a Christmas album that I still listen to every 732 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: single Christmas. They have a cover of Stevie Wonders. That's 733 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: what Christmas means to me. That is my favorite Christmas 734 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: song after Carrie. Of course, it's so good. And I 735 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 1: didn't even know he was a cover of TV wonder 736 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 1: until I was like looking in and looking into it 737 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that's how freaks you out. 738 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: But they are legit good musicians. I mean that. That's 739 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 1: like I think that they sort of for for people 740 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: that love them, and I remember some older people like 741 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: some friends of my parents, like me too, because I 742 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: think they threw back to like a family band type 743 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 1: of which is very relatable to people. But also they 744 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: were very appealing to a young crowd obviously because the 745 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: melodies were super simple, like like you know what I mean, 746 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: like almost Beatles ish or it's like it's just like 747 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: you can't help but sing along to this. And that's 748 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: what I'm saying about their musicianship and now to see 749 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: them as adult musicians that are still doing it and 750 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: still creating good work. You're like, that's because they've just 751 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: got it. What would it take to like really bring 752 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: hands and back into the into the zeitgeist for let's 753 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: just say, for queers, I would I would want them 754 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: to like that have to be it have to be 755 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 1: a dance moment. I was gonna say, dance like all 756 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: the girls can I just say for a mint, all 757 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: the girls are putting out music and none of it 758 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: is danceable, Like who are you trying to appeal to? 759 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 1: But you know, was it just that we're like in 760 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: an algorithm age where it's like truly it's it's these streams. 761 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: It's all about like music that is streamable. Yeah, I 762 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 1: think the girls are trying to um all say something 763 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: right now. I think I think the girls are emotional 764 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: right now. I want escapism, like like pop escapism is 765 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: my go to always period. So I think this is 766 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: such a This is such an interesting thing because I 767 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,879 Speaker 1: am such like a ballad queen, and so the fact 768 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: that music is in this place right now actually kind 769 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: of excites me. Though I do love dance music. So 770 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: when you were younger, let me ask you this, because 771 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: I think this is a definitive question. Was it Brittany 772 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: or Christina for you? Brittany, okay, and I'm a Christina guy. 773 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: That is it, it is. It is the yeah yeah, Brittany. 774 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: And that was just because because why just it was 775 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: the dance of it all it is and it still is. 776 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: But even the ballot, even the Britney ballads were ballads 777 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: and good ballads. So I don't I don't think that's 778 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: like a fully you know, we've split. No, I do 779 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: because it's like Christina was interested in a different kind 780 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: of entertainment than Britney was, and they both did crossover. 781 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: You know, Brittany had her ballots, and we stand some 782 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: of Britney's ballots sometimes is every time one of her 783 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: only songs that she's credited with writing, I would actually 784 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: also go moves to say, don't let me be the 785 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: last to know. I would say shadow. I would say, honestly, 786 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: it's a goofy song. But even later in her career Perfume, 787 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: I do stand. She sounds a thousand years old on it, 788 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: but I do stand. And Christina, I think obviously was 789 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: giving you some up tempo moments like you know, and 790 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 1: she gave you pop star. But at the root of 791 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: what they're really good at. Brittany was giving you something 792 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: to this day is giving you beats, bobs, vibes like energy, 793 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: and Christina's giving you story or you know what I mean. 794 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I think that they're 795 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: such different artists. It's so interesting to see them put together. 796 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: But because they were together so long for us, I 797 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: think in your heart, if you really ask yourself, which 798 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: one am I like? Just so I'm a Brittany, I 799 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: think you're a Brittany. And I know that about you 800 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: because I mean maybe One More Time was an album 801 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: that like it was that and Spice World because I 802 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: didn't because my sister got Spice World first. And this 803 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: is truly like birth order is so interesting for gay 804 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: men will say, is that like if you have an 805 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,959 Speaker 1: older sister who like is able to like funnel you 806 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: her stuff, that's your way in culturally, and so like 807 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: the gang like would buy all these albums, and like 808 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: I would just like should buy albums you would buy 809 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: like sister of the Traveling Pants, and I would like 810 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: take it from her and read and consume all this. 811 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: But anyway, with and by proxy, Gaga was huge for you, 812 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: so I'm assuming Goga must have like fucking stomped your honestly, Honestly, 813 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: I don't love Gaga. Initially, turn the turn was I 814 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: saw her live, um like right before New Year's Eve 815 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,760 Speaker 1: in Florida, Like it was right before right after Faymonster 816 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: come out. Famous had been out like one month, and 817 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: I saw live and I was like, Wow, this is 818 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,720 Speaker 1: like really freaking good. And then and then Bad Romance 819 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: the video came out, and I was like, oh, undeniable 820 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 1: that this is great. I feel like with Gaga it's 821 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: like either just dance interest you or it didn't know 822 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: didn't it didn't interest me because at that point in 823 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: my life, I was very much like indie and like 824 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 1: listening to like blog music, and like I was like 825 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,359 Speaker 1: pop music is to look down upon, blah blah blah. 826 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: Like I was in a place I was like, you know, 827 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: eighteen in the closet, first year of college, Yeah, mess 828 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: mess yeah. Um. For me, the moment that it clicked 829 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:48,720 Speaker 1: was Love Game video where she's fucking like dancing around 830 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: the subway train and I'm just like oh and or 831 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: just it was just the lyric like disco stick and 832 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: it was her being like um um, You've indicated your interest. 833 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm educated in sects, yes, And I'm just like, that's 834 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: what's the fucking craziest sequence of words and so funny 835 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: and like who the fund is she? She's very cool. 836 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,240 Speaker 1: That was a love game. I think was a huge moment. 837 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: People don't talk people don't talk about love game. People 838 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: talk about programs and just dance paparazzi. But from from 839 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: from Fame era, it's like love game and he ain't 840 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: nothing else I can say. I'm just like, wait, you 841 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 1: guys gems over here and you do in your in 842 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: your and we noticed when like when we go to 843 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,879 Speaker 1: your parties you do throw the I mean, the Fame 844 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: for me is like such a solid album. I think 845 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's just a great album. It's very 846 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: like Gwen Stefani. So I'm gonna be honest, like she 847 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: was giving me a lot of Gwen on that album, 848 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: and I love it like boys boys boys, some like yeah, 849 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: she was she was giving you Gwen. When she first 850 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: came out, the comparisons were Gwen and Christina, right, remember 851 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,720 Speaker 1: that when she whenever she because she was specifically doing 852 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: what Christina was hinting that with Bionic. I remember that 853 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: was around the keeps getting better, keeps getting better, Like 854 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 1: that music video came out, I think, and it was 855 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: Gaga derivative, and there was this attitude which is like 856 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,240 Speaker 1: this new girl who just looks like Christy and Aguilera. 857 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: I remember that moment, and then I remember the reason 858 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: Lady got from me started to get more credible was 859 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: because specifically Perez Hilton was like standing her and really 860 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 1: that was like you were propressed literally at the time. 861 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,720 Speaker 1: At the time, I was like on pres Hilton's website, 862 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: and this is before he said his whole thing. I 863 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 1: think I'm actually gonna be nice now. This is when 864 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 1: he was being a true county like and he was 865 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: like calling celebrities like shit stains and for us to 866 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 1: go Jennifer Aniston, Maniston, this is like Baale Wolf was 867 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: his name for Beyonce, and he would only ever post 868 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: pictures of her with her arm up like this, so 869 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: her arm pit was showing. He was gross and very 870 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: internalized homophobic. I mean, he outed celebrities like Pat Patrick 871 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 1: famously um and one can argue about whether that was 872 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: like as quote unquote for the great good or not. 873 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 1: But he was like a militant in being a dick, 874 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: and to the fact that he liked Gaga was like 875 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: a signal, like and for me it was like the 876 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: fact that he liked Gaga, I was like, I mean, 877 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: I know she's to be taken seriously now, but I 878 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 1: don't trust this and so maybe that was part of 879 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: it too. Oh that means you suspicious. It's a little bit. 880 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: But I also remember it being in the moment where 881 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, we're gonna have to like see 882 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: this person around and I didn't. I as a person 883 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 1: who rejected Just Dance, I was like, I don't know, 884 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 1: and he felt to the princess of pop, and I 885 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,359 Speaker 1: was like, after Just Dance, you're going to call her 886 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: the princess of pop. And then a couple of songs later, 887 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Paparazzi is what got me. It was like, 888 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 1: it's pretty true. Yeah, I mean that the performance with 889 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 1: the blood was like I should have been stand immediately, 890 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 1: but I wasn't. Yeah. I was like, yeah, I wasn't 891 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: until after Bad Romans for You, And honestly, Art Pop 892 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: was the first time I started like really because because 893 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it is like she had 894 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 1: an underdoge narrative and then it was that's honestly what 895 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: made me like is to watch her watch it kind 896 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: of spin out of control a little bit, like the 897 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: image of it all. I was like, okay, cool, So 898 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,879 Speaker 1: this is like a relatability now that I that I need. Yeah, 899 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,920 Speaker 1: I don't know that. I'm talking as me, like a 900 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,799 Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson stan who like needs vulnerability and relatability, like 901 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 1: that was who I was. But remember when Roar and 902 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 1: Applause came out the same day, Oh yeah it was. 903 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: That was those tweets. Those tweets are so funny. Those 904 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,279 Speaker 1: tweets are very funny. But I would say Applause has 905 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,800 Speaker 1: aged better. I was still like a very good catchy 906 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,799 Speaker 1: like I'm amazing, but I don't play roar out at 907 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,880 Speaker 1: the club. Actually a lot of Katie is dance floor ready, 908 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: but it doesn't work. People don't stand Katie for some reason. 909 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 1: What is the too corny? Like I don't know. I'll 910 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 1: tell you the first time I've been excited by her 911 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: in years over and I really love never really over. 912 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 1: I mean I think it's like if this is a 913 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: sign of what's to come from her, and I'm like, well, 914 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,800 Speaker 1: thank fucking God, just please come back to making simple. 915 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: So I'm like a closeted Katie stand like I love 916 00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: her in my private listening Birthday, I saw Birthday. Whenever 917 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm sad, I can just listen to Birthday, and I'm like, 918 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 1: in a good minute, she remix that's really good. You know, 919 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: she her Teenage Dream, which is an iconic you cannot deny. 920 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,280 Speaker 1: I think generation number one, five number one, so basically 921 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,200 Speaker 1: it's Thriller level and Whitney Houston level. I mean, so 922 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,680 Speaker 1: basically a teenage Dream was like a hundred and one 923 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,279 Speaker 1: on that Pitchfork list, and I was saying with our 924 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 1: own Lewis and keep it like this just goes to 925 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 1: show like the people that are making this list consume 926 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,320 Speaker 1: music differently than me, because me, as a pop music person, 927 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: that's in the top five for me, songs like that 928 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,160 Speaker 1: was defining. Okay, why isn't Out Magazine making like a 929 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,439 Speaker 1: real definitive like gay list, Thank you Out, get on it. Yeah, 930 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: let's let's just get like what it's. When we saw 931 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: Robin that night at Barclays, when she performed Dancing on 932 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:55,160 Speaker 1: My Own, it was just so clear, place place, silent on, 933 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,759 Speaker 1: the lights on drama of that, I was like, I 934 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,160 Speaker 1: was like, we are one. Everyone knew that we were 935 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 1: singing the defining song of our generation. Like I think 936 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: you know, and you know how you know kind of 937 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, this kind of sucks, but like 938 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: the reason you know it was the defining song of 939 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: the generation. Honestly, Girls at that time was the defining 940 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 1: song of defining TV series of our generation. And then 941 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: in that one episode when she's tweeting all adventurous women 942 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 1: do in the iconic episode of Girls where she thinks 943 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: she where she gets HPV and like, also she has 944 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,360 Speaker 1: the conversation with Andrew Rynolds. That episode was amazing, and 945 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 1: then dancing on my own clothed it and her and 946 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,360 Speaker 1: Alison Williams danced together and they're embracing at the end 947 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: of the episode. I was like, this song is important, 948 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,800 Speaker 1: that that episode is important. Um, and there's a song 949 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 1: Exploder episode where she talks about writing honey and another 950 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 1: great song. I think it's I think that's her best song. 951 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,600 Speaker 1: I think that's her I know that sounds blasphemous, but 952 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,799 Speaker 1: like just on like a on a sensory level, like 953 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,240 Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's I still want to hear the version 954 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,440 Speaker 1: that they have and girls Girls, and I'm like, I'm like, 955 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,919 Speaker 1: what happened to that version? They because they they played 956 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 1: in a bit of it in the episode where it 957 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,240 Speaker 1: which is just pulled from the audio from the credits, 958 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 1: but like it doesn't feel right. Actually I used to 959 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,920 Speaker 1: think the same thing where it's like it should have 960 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,279 Speaker 1: been dancing or it should have been what the girl's 961 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,479 Speaker 1: credit sequence was. But um, you hear A talk about 962 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: and she was like, I was in a really emotionally 963 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: raw place, like my close collaborator here just passed away 964 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 1: and he helped me set up the speed and like 965 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 1: they were just like they called that like you know, 966 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,280 Speaker 1: because the beginning of Honey, I think is very distinct 967 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,080 Speaker 1: and recognizable and you can identify it where it's just 968 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,239 Speaker 1: like whoa, no, you're not gonna get which and so 969 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: like she called that like the sauce, Like that production 970 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,319 Speaker 1: was like the sauce, And that was like what blanketed you, 971 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 1: Like it's a perfect rave like Molly song. I mean 972 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,320 Speaker 1: also it's a I will say this when you're on drugs, 973 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,920 Speaker 1: that that song does something to your body. It is 974 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,960 Speaker 1: literally specifically designed to be there for that moment and 975 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,360 Speaker 1: she opened the show with Honey or Missing You. She 976 00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 1: opened the show with no it was it was some 977 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 1: deep cut off of the album Honey. It was like, 978 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,440 Speaker 1: I will say that, Um, I believe Missing You came first. 979 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,000 Speaker 1: Missing came first. She that and that's that's that list 980 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,239 Speaker 1: order is only rob only Robin can do that, where 981 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 1: she just she blew it out like a little bit 982 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:18,880 Speaker 1: over halfway to the concert and then the rest was 983 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 1: just a party that she essentially you know what I mean, 984 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,880 Speaker 1: Like it was danced around. She was so cute. She 985 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,440 Speaker 1: was It was a concert that was made for poppers. Yes, 986 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:33,880 Speaker 1: it was just like you could bring or whatever, pick fight. 987 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,400 Speaker 1: But you know, I was happy to see that. Like 988 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,239 Speaker 1: at least Pitchfork, like when they were making that list, 989 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,239 Speaker 1: they really respected Robin, Like Robin was all over that 990 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,759 Speaker 1: list and I was like, okay, cool, so you're at 991 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,759 Speaker 1: least hearing us and run Away with Me by Collie 992 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:52,279 Speaker 1: rage Epson was one gay at pitchforking like guys like 993 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: we're not the gay delicate like to speak, and that's important. 994 00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,000 Speaker 1: It's very important. And there's gonna be a musical list written. 995 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,040 Speaker 1: There must be gays president in the world. Yes, Um, 996 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,640 Speaker 1: I'm really curious to time, and I've thought about this constantly, 997 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,440 Speaker 1: like where like what do you make of this is 998 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,319 Speaker 1: such a broad question too, but what do you make 999 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,960 Speaker 1: of nightlife now? In because I think they're like something 1000 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,680 Speaker 1: very cool it's happening. I love nightlife and I've always 1001 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,640 Speaker 1: been a nightlife fanboy and I think it's having such 1002 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,960 Speaker 1: a beautiful moment right now. And when people say that 1003 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,000 Speaker 1: like nightlife is dead or nightlife is over, I want 1004 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,880 Speaker 1: to smash my fucking head against wall. I'm like, especially 1005 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,839 Speaker 1: like all these old people writing, you know, articles like oh, 1006 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,239 Speaker 1: back in the day, it was this culture changes and 1007 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,120 Speaker 1: the way we consume culture changes, and nightlife is a 1008 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,080 Speaker 1: reflection of culture or it's like where culture begins, and 1009 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 1: so it's gonna change. It's not gonna be the same. 1010 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: We're not gonna have Studio fifty four. And that was 1011 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,000 Speaker 1: a great moment. Okay, move on next thing. So I 1012 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 1: think it's having a great moment and I love night 1013 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,719 Speaker 1: life and I'm I'm just excited. Well and even like 1014 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,399 Speaker 1: it's even bird of people to be like, well, it's 1015 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: not like how it used to be in these new 1016 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,920 Speaker 1: kids don't have any respect for the for how things were. 1017 00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 1: But it's like you're you're literally throwing a party at 1018 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,839 Speaker 1: Webster Hall, like the first nightclub in the world, and 1019 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: like you're throwing a party there that is a tribute 1020 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,560 Speaker 1: to the drag parties that would happen there a hundred 1021 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,640 Speaker 1: years ago. And it's like you're working with Susanne, You're 1022 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,720 Speaker 1: working with Lady. It's like, right, is that is that accurate? 1023 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,279 Speaker 1: I don't really work with either of them, but you guys, 1024 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,680 Speaker 1: you guys are all so safe. I love them both 1025 00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,960 Speaker 1: so much, like I look up to everything they've done. 1026 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,879 Speaker 1: You know, if if have you seen Susanne's documentary, I 1027 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,440 Speaker 1: still haven't. Okay, you have to. It is I cried 1028 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 1: because you know, she has done so much for a 1029 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:33,000 Speaker 1: community and just so much for the nightlife as um 1030 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,799 Speaker 1: an economy. It is like she created this economy that 1031 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, people like me benefit from so much. So 1032 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,080 Speaker 1: whenever Susanne, you know, text me like, hey, I need 1033 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,440 Speaker 1: a favorite, I'm They're great. I'm there. That's great because 1034 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,160 Speaker 1: I feel like, and this is what you're saying earlier. 1035 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:46,759 Speaker 1: What this probably just has to do with why you 1036 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,400 Speaker 1: like escapism in your music, is that your nightlife is 1037 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 1: just it's an escape, an escape that thing too about 1038 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,040 Speaker 1: like people being like it's not like it was. That's 1039 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,239 Speaker 1: literally a voice that is always going to be there 1040 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,359 Speaker 1: and the only thing we have anything, right, the only 1041 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,680 Speaker 1: thing we have, I mean, you know more than anyone, 1042 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,520 Speaker 1: Like with SNL of it all, it's like not what 1043 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,520 Speaker 1: it was, like those like with any institution and nightlife 1044 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,440 Speaker 1: is a New York institution, like there's going to be 1045 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,880 Speaker 1: that not what it was vibe And the thing is 1046 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,799 Speaker 1: all we have is at present, So like let's make 1047 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: sure that we're not those people in the future and 1048 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,200 Speaker 1: create a good vibe now because also those people saying 1049 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,800 Speaker 1: it's not what it was, you're also not at the party, 1050 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like you're also 1051 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:34,360 Speaker 1: not currently out enjoying it to the party. But I 1052 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,120 Speaker 1: also understand that I think it's just a thing of 1053 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, even nowadays, like certain certain things that happen 1054 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,840 Speaker 1: with like the generation like that's coming up, like certain 1055 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,120 Speaker 1: choices that are made about culture, like the way they 1056 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,359 Speaker 1: consume media now, like like certain things that have become 1057 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,280 Speaker 1: and vogue. I don't really get it, Like I'm still 1058 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 1: trying to find Billie Eilish, you know what I mean, 1059 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,799 Speaker 1: like right, and so I am finding her in this, 1060 00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,719 Speaker 1: but I've it's taken me a minute, which is surprising 1061 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,840 Speaker 1: to me because I feel like you love you just 1062 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 1: said ballances. I don't know what it is. I didn't 1063 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,719 Speaker 1: know that was there because all I knew was bad Guy, 1064 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:13,839 Speaker 1: and I heard Bad Guy and I was like, oh, 1065 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,040 Speaker 1: if this is indicative of what she's about, then I'm 1066 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,279 Speaker 1: not about it. Then I'll be honest with you. I 1067 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,920 Speaker 1: saw her perform on SNL that second song. I was like, 1068 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot more depth here than I think I realized, 1069 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 1: which happens to me all the time with Lord had 1070 00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,840 Speaker 1: happened to me too. Well. You should listen to the 1071 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,040 Speaker 1: album the whole way through and then the last track 1072 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,840 Speaker 1: it's called Goodbye, and you know what I'm about to 1073 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:39,120 Speaker 1: talk about. She just does this long it's not long, 1074 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,319 Speaker 1: it's like two minutes, but she just like it's one 1075 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,360 Speaker 1: melody and it's one like motif basically in terms of 1076 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,160 Speaker 1: the production. But she just in reverse order of the 1077 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,520 Speaker 1: tracks on the album, pulls little snippets, little lyrics, little melodies, 1078 00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 1: little lines, and weaves them all together and ends with 1079 00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,279 Speaker 1: and bad guys. The first technical track, the first one 1080 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,360 Speaker 1: is hurt taking out her her in his line, but 1081 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,040 Speaker 1: like the last line is her going I'm a bad guy. 1082 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:10,239 Speaker 1: It's it's it's genius. It's a geniusly constructed album. And 1083 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,200 Speaker 1: I think if you like on the Plane, when you 1084 00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,200 Speaker 1: go back to late tonight, like listen to it the 1085 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,400 Speaker 1: whole way through, download and save it offline, listen to 1086 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,480 Speaker 1: it the whole way through and just pay attention, because 1087 00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,919 Speaker 1: I think it's a good plane album because it puts 1088 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,480 Speaker 1: you to sleep if you want it. I am looking 1089 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,279 Speaker 1: for those. It's a great album to put you to 1090 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,880 Speaker 1: sleep too. But if you can stay with it for 1091 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,600 Speaker 1: the for the twelve go where do we go? But 1092 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,520 Speaker 1: the last track is what made it all click for me. Literally, 1093 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,440 Speaker 1: I mean it seems like too simple and deceptively like artful, 1094 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,480 Speaker 1: but it is like she literally weaves one melodic thing 1095 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,400 Speaker 1: out of the entire album. She's she's captivating everyone right 1096 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,279 Speaker 1: now because like obviously, but like I'm talking about older 1097 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,840 Speaker 1: people too. She was just I just started driving in 1098 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,719 Speaker 1: a life, so I have a serious streaming like free subscription, 1099 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,120 Speaker 1: so I listened to Howard Stern. She was on Howard Stern. 1100 00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,200 Speaker 1: She did like an hour's long interview with Howard Stern 1101 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,560 Speaker 1: and she kept up with them and it was it 1102 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,520 Speaker 1: was equals talking. It was crazy. It was like she 1103 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,920 Speaker 1: was so smart and her brother was there too that 1104 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,399 Speaker 1: she like, I guess works with expl and it's very 1105 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,439 Speaker 1: cool to watch how proud he is of her life 1106 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,520 Speaker 1: and she's so young and so to listen to her 1107 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,480 Speaker 1: just kind of be unfazed by talking to this like, 1108 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,240 Speaker 1: you know, intimidating like Titan of media who owns so 1109 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,480 Speaker 1: much of that space. Like, and he's also so like 1110 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,560 Speaker 1: aggressively adult for her to be like he can be 1111 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,000 Speaker 1: like he has a history of being like predatory towards women, 1112 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,360 Speaker 1: which is grea, which is why we love him. But 1113 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,960 Speaker 1: it's like that's how he is. But she went in 1114 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,880 Speaker 1: there and she was She had people calling in afterwards 1115 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,800 Speaker 1: being like I like her, and it was just she's 1116 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,400 Speaker 1: obviously got staying power. Honestly though, But this makes me 1117 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,480 Speaker 1: think of Gaga whenever she goes on Howard Fantastic interviews. 1118 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,520 Speaker 1: Fantastic what I'm saying, Goga too. I mean that's I 1119 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,720 Speaker 1: think that when they come up with their first singles, 1120 00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,560 Speaker 1: it's always like you always judge like are you and 1121 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,080 Speaker 1: you know, so think about it. Like Gaga's first single 1122 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,920 Speaker 1: was Just Dance and that was like, you know, it 1123 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,719 Speaker 1: definitely was a hit. Like Katy Perry's first single was 1124 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,200 Speaker 1: I Kissed a Girl Like I was. That was a 1125 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,480 Speaker 1: huge hit and I was like, you're a one hit wonder. Yeah. 1126 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,080 Speaker 1: But it's like I mean, she was on the Van's 1127 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,720 Speaker 1: Warp tours, like okay, that's where she literally came from 1128 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,080 Speaker 1: her with like an asymmetrical haircut on the Warp tour bit. 1129 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,560 Speaker 1: I'm curious. So this is I think we had the 1130 00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,120 Speaker 1: same sort of timeline in terms of coming out of 1131 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,080 Speaker 1: the closet, in terms of in terms of sonically like 1132 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,480 Speaker 1: accepting it. I think because I would be on all 1133 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,000 Speaker 1: the fucking like said the gramophone or whatever, like indie 1134 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,240 Speaker 1: websites and like downloading tracks and listening to Machine Machine. 1135 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,840 Speaker 1: I was gonna see high Machine Machine. I'm still still around. 1136 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,200 Speaker 1: I still have MP threees that I downloaded from Hype 1137 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,520 Speaker 1: Machines that I play out. Oh my god, because there 1138 00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,160 Speaker 1: was there were some real gems and like it was 1139 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,040 Speaker 1: it was kind of like the algorithm was set up 1140 00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,080 Speaker 1: nice because they would just surface like the top tracks 1141 00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:59,600 Speaker 1: of the week or whatever, and they would be like 1142 00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,960 Speaker 1: you couldn't download them on iTunes. They were like specific remixes, 1143 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,320 Speaker 1: sometimes Hype Machine, and then like last I would scrabble 1144 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:07,960 Speaker 1: on last FM all the time and make sure that 1145 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,320 Speaker 1: like I was signaling that I was listening to Radiohead 1146 00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,200 Speaker 1: and whatever all this um. But I feel like when 1147 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,839 Speaker 1: I came out of the closet was around the same 1148 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,160 Speaker 1: time that like I was living my sister in college 1149 00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,080 Speaker 1: and she was like shap burning me being in the 1150 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,960 Speaker 1: closet because I had just gone through conversion through every 1151 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:24,640 Speaker 1: my parents said you can go down my u as 1152 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,560 Speaker 1: long as you live with your sister, because she will 1153 00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,000 Speaker 1: like protect you, she will be our eyes and ears. Um. 1154 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:31,960 Speaker 1: But then like Circus by Britney Spears came out and 1155 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:33,759 Speaker 1: both of us were like because both of us listen 1156 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,239 Speaker 1: to listen to Britney growing up, and we were like, 1157 00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,480 Speaker 1: oh my god, let's listen to Womanizer. And she was 1158 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,160 Speaker 1: being like she was like, I guess my brother's gay, 1159 00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,839 Speaker 1: but this is nice and we're listening to the same 1160 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,160 Speaker 1: music and we're enjoying the same things. And so that 1161 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,680 Speaker 1: like two nine was like the moment when when it shifted, 1162 00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,680 Speaker 1: but you're saying it was like maybe a year after 1163 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,520 Speaker 1: year after that, I didn't like really come out until 1164 00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,520 Speaker 1: them Fatal if we're talking about Britain, if we're talking 1165 00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,759 Speaker 1: about if we're talking about Brittany, Like, yeah, and so 1166 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,719 Speaker 1: what were your first Like so, I'm this is a 1167 00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,080 Speaker 1: weird question, but do you remember like the first artists albums, 1168 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:12,360 Speaker 1: songs that you like truly like Fused into your Body 1169 00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,720 Speaker 1: and yeah, go only Girl in the World Rihanna Great. 1170 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,840 Speaker 1: When that came out, I was like, yeah, I'm gay. 1171 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,800 Speaker 1: It's like that's like what it is, Like I love 1172 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,400 Speaker 1: this music and you know, I'm accepting myself, Like I 1173 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,040 Speaker 1: just transferred from a state school in Florida to purchase 1174 00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,200 Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gay. I'm starting a new 1175 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,760 Speaker 1: life in New York. Imay, Wow for me, that was 1176 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,080 Speaker 1: dancing on my own that I know the moment you're 1177 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,480 Speaker 1: talking about and Rihanna did have such a moment. There's 1178 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,760 Speaker 1: so then like honestly, I was going to bring up 1179 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,240 Speaker 1: What's my Name? Like that's a song that I feel 1180 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,760 Speaker 1: is a race today, Like that was a huge moment. 1181 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,760 Speaker 1: Did that come out before Only Girl? It was the 1182 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,360 Speaker 1: only girl in the World was the first single one 1183 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,800 Speaker 1: that I believe. But then but then the Only Girl 1184 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,440 Speaker 1: in the World became a number one after something like that. 1185 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,560 Speaker 1: I remember. I think it was just that loud album 1186 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,920 Speaker 1: like that's the red Hair, the Rihanna moment, Yes, and 1187 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm raining man California King bad. But oh um the 1188 00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:13,720 Speaker 1: song um um cheers to that an Avril Levine sample. 1189 00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,160 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me crazy? Um No? But then what's 1190 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,000 Speaker 1: my name? What's my name? The song structure, the pre 1191 00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:19,800 Speaker 1: course is I think my favorite part of the song. 1192 00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,520 Speaker 1: She's table. I think if you can go down and 1193 00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,200 Speaker 1: don't want to go like an incredible melody. Wow, Okay, 1194 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,040 Speaker 1: does that question make sense? So like it does, like 1195 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,160 Speaker 1: that moment when you were like, now I can celebrate 1196 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,440 Speaker 1: the gainess within me a little bit by really liking y. Yeah, 1197 00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,320 Speaker 1: I mean that Only Go in the World is still 1198 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,400 Speaker 1: my favorite Rena song for the reason and I played 1199 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,200 Speaker 1: all the time. I mean I played it, yeah, Like 1200 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,439 Speaker 1: it might not be everyone's go to Rihanna, but it's 1201 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,280 Speaker 1: my go to Rihana. Also for the ballot queen and me, 1202 00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,880 Speaker 1: like Stamp California came back. I mean, I can tell 1203 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,760 Speaker 1: you are that queen that would look at me every 1204 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,160 Speaker 1: time I was at a party putting on the ballot 1205 00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,560 Speaker 1: and like you gotta stop. Next she blew her damn 1206 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,400 Speaker 1: voice on that. On the recording, it sounds it's it's 1207 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:08,520 Speaker 1: like okay, like closings. You can her pray. She would 1208 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,720 Speaker 1: never do that now. No, No, she went on high 1209 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,800 Speaker 1: or she like sucking scrolls. Oh, I mean fully, you 1210 00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,600 Speaker 1: can hear her have a hemorrhage. Do you think we're 1211 00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,960 Speaker 1: getting music by then? She didn't, she say she was. 1212 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,120 Speaker 1: She keeps saying though, yeah, that's Rihanna. Rihanna will say 1213 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,760 Speaker 1: ship whatever whatever she wants to say. You saw that 1214 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,520 Speaker 1: video where she was like she's like she lied, she 1215 00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,200 Speaker 1: she knows. I mean, but I do that. I was 1216 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,920 Speaker 1: reading that. I was getting the recent like I think 1217 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,520 Speaker 1: it was a Vogue piece on her, really good piece 1218 00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,440 Speaker 1: on her, and she talked she gets really into politics. 1219 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:41,800 Speaker 1: And the one that guy where the guy was like, 1220 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,040 Speaker 1: I didn't have questions for you, sorry, I'm not ready. Yes, 1221 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,200 Speaker 1: that was well, what happened was she moved the interview up, 1222 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,479 Speaker 1: I'm going to it and she was like whatever, cool 1223 00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't it wasn't like a super serious thing. And 1224 00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,320 Speaker 1: he did get a great interview out of her, so 1225 00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:01,160 Speaker 1: for what it's worth, But like she Um is really 1226 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,920 Speaker 1: really candid, and she's just it's that thing of she's 1227 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,680 Speaker 1: kind of hinting at new music. But there's a moment 1228 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,080 Speaker 1: where he asks and you and he says he details 1229 01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,440 Speaker 1: in the article about how she gets a moment in 1230 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,800 Speaker 1: her eyes like why did you ask that? Because my 1231 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,640 Speaker 1: fans are going to kill you now, Like now, it's 1232 01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,600 Speaker 1: it's bad that you asked that because now I'm going 1233 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,960 Speaker 1: to like have to go on record and say something 1234 01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and then I'm going to get roasted if I don't 1235 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:31,080 Speaker 1: follow up on that because the Navy is Um, it's 1236 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,920 Speaker 1: the opposite of what Gaga is doing, which is basically 1237 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:39,640 Speaker 1: her tweeting back in March I'm pregnant. The specific words 1238 01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:44,840 Speaker 1: are rumors, rumors, I'm pregnant, question mark, Yeah, I'm pregnant, 1239 01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:56,360 Speaker 1: pregnant with elder hashtag LGI last week next who. I 1240 01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,080 Speaker 1: also think we're gonna I mean, they say we're going 1241 01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,080 Speaker 1: to get another album from her this year, which I 1242 01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:06,480 Speaker 1: thought she was taking a fifty year retirement. Um. And 1243 01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,480 Speaker 1: then Fiona, which I know is not like the same 1244 01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,600 Speaker 1: level of like stand um I couldn't. I have no 1245 01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:17,680 Speaker 1: vocabulary for you have to balance. You don't know, Fiona Apple, 1246 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,760 Speaker 1: you know what I don't know. I'm a series of contradictions. 1247 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,840 Speaker 1: I will say because because it's the fall, because I'm 1248 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,280 Speaker 1: experienced before. Right now, I am listening to a lot 1249 01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,920 Speaker 1: of Adele because I'll always think of her synonymous with 1250 01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:35,439 Speaker 1: leaves everywhere, the Sepia tone, big coat of it all, 1251 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,080 Speaker 1: for sure, a big, big, big sad. Do you remember 1252 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,320 Speaker 1: seeing her on VH one when she had like chasing 1253 01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:46,400 Speaker 1: Payments a song? I stam, did she have a behind 1254 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,880 Speaker 1: to like like um amy, She was very much doing 1255 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:55,360 Speaker 1: I think like I'm from England. Yes, she had like 1256 01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,880 Speaker 1: a hair bump and she had the bang and she 1257 01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,400 Speaker 1: was at the time, I remember she was a lot heavier. 1258 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,600 Speaker 1: So I think that's why they were leaning into sort 1259 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,080 Speaker 1: of like more matronly look, because she was a lot heavier. 1260 01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,560 Speaker 1: And you know something that I'm actually happy people don't 1261 01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,840 Speaker 1: talk about because I'm happy we're not putting the emphasis 1262 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:15,600 Speaker 1: on this. But she has definitely her aesthetic has changed. 1263 01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,480 Speaker 1: She is now it's certainly a glow up. Absolutely she 1264 01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,720 Speaker 1: has transformed. And now I look at her and I'm like, no, 1265 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,040 Speaker 1: it's so funny because we got to know her for 1266 01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,920 Speaker 1: her incredible voice and like the way she articulates music, 1267 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:34,800 Speaker 1: but she's studying. She is a gorgeous like presence. To 1268 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,400 Speaker 1: look at us, you have to get into Fiona. You 1269 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,000 Speaker 1: should start with either wheel and then do criminal or 1270 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,000 Speaker 1: then do title. Sorry, I mean I have a vocabulary 1271 01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:44,960 Speaker 1: for criminal, you know what. My One of my favorite 1272 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,200 Speaker 1: stories of the past few months is j LO calling 1273 01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,600 Speaker 1: up Fiona Apple and being like, can we use criminal 1274 01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,840 Speaker 1: in the movie Hustlers and Fiona being like, yeah, she 1275 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:59,760 Speaker 1: had never licensed it before for anything, like they were saying, 1276 01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:01,919 Speaker 1: Jlo had an idea onset. She was like, it would 1277 01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,960 Speaker 1: be fun if this beginning song where I stripped I 1278 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,440 Speaker 1: did it too criminal And they were like, we feel 1279 01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,520 Speaker 1: like why I ask Fiona is like famously difficult, etcetera. 1280 01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,480 Speaker 1: She called and Fiona was like, yeah, for sure, And 1281 01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,160 Speaker 1: it's not that fionas difficult. She just did a really 1282 01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,240 Speaker 1: good interview in Vulture where everyone's like where the interview 1283 01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:20,520 Speaker 1: was like, so what do you make of people saying that, 1284 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,360 Speaker 1: like you have this reputation for being so distant and 1285 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,800 Speaker 1: like aloof and sequestered, and she's just like no, I 1286 01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,120 Speaker 1: just She's like, yes, I never leave my house, but like, 1287 01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,640 Speaker 1: I don't have a relationship with my managers where they 1288 01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,520 Speaker 1: tell me what people are asking, like they just like 1289 01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,640 Speaker 1: stockade me in every single way. And she's like, I'm 1290 01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,000 Speaker 1: happy to give my songs to people. I just like 1291 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,880 Speaker 1: normally don't like to be mired in that. And but 1292 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,040 Speaker 1: when j Lo calls, you pick up. Yeah. So anyway, Um, 1293 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:50,560 Speaker 1: Hustler is so good. A second, my feeling about Hustlers 1294 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,760 Speaker 1: is it actually for me. Um, there was a lot 1295 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,800 Speaker 1: of hype and it actually it's the same. Gay Twitter 1296 01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,560 Speaker 1: was like freaking out about it and I was like, 1297 01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,880 Speaker 1: oh odd and I hate it. But then what you 1298 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,960 Speaker 1: liked it? I loved it. I loved it. I always 1299 01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:09,280 Speaker 1: tend to um any movie with gimme more so, and 1300 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:15,040 Speaker 1: especially because the way this is my song, SAME's I mean? 1301 01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:20,880 Speaker 1: And just it's shocking how fun it was to watch. 1302 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,760 Speaker 1: You forget that movies can be like that. And then 1303 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,800 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what's so frustrating is you read all 1304 01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:27,960 Speaker 1: the articles about it and you find out it was 1305 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,440 Speaker 1: hard to get made. It's like, I'm sorry, but what 1306 01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,920 Speaker 1: about this? When this movie was getting marketed I was like, 1307 01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,240 Speaker 1: this to me is the biggest slam dunk ever. Like 1308 01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,640 Speaker 1: you have j Lo, you have Cardi b you I 1309 01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,040 Speaker 1: needed more Cardi. It was a cameo. She needed a 1310 01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:48,320 Speaker 1: full role. I mean, she knows how to act. She 1311 01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,960 Speaker 1: absolutely I mean was she really acting? No? And that's 1312 01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,960 Speaker 1: the thing is she absolutely knows how to deliver star quality. No. 1313 01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:56,600 Speaker 1: But when she was getting in the argument with that 1314 01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,320 Speaker 1: man and at the bar, do you know what I'm 1315 01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,480 Speaker 1: talking about? Sure? I was like, Okay, she's like acting 1316 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,520 Speaker 1: reacting well, she was certainly having emotions on camera. We 1317 01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,880 Speaker 1: can say that, yeah, and it pops and you're like, Okay, 1318 01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:09,800 Speaker 1: I want more. I don't care, Like I don't care 1319 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,680 Speaker 1: what her fucking I don't. I don't care Like how 1320 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,040 Speaker 1: she gets to this headspace of acting in front of 1321 01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,200 Speaker 1: a camera. She's good at it. She was really good 1322 01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,360 Speaker 1: in this scene with all the girls back, like when 1323 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,560 Speaker 1: she was like taunting everyone, I was like, this is 1324 01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,680 Speaker 1: obviously someone who's lived this experience and she's bringing it 1325 01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:29,440 Speaker 1: to the screen. Yes. And also, let's just say, for 1326 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:33,320 Speaker 1: your consideration, Lopez, give it up. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1327 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,880 Speaker 1: give it up because guess what, Like I believe that 1328 01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,360 Speaker 1: there's not many people on this planet that could have 1329 01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,600 Speaker 1: given you the star quality that that character needed to have. 1330 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,800 Speaker 1: That she is, to put it in these words, doing 1331 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,920 Speaker 1: what the other girls won't do and I can't do, 1332 01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:57,360 Speaker 1: and showing what the other girls. You're right, and you 1333 01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,000 Speaker 1: needed to believe that that character was going to like 1334 01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:04,680 Speaker 1: had to gravitational poll effortlessly manipulate everyone and also be 1335 01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,960 Speaker 1: able to physically pull that off and look like that. 1336 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:13,680 Speaker 1: Oh god, the woman is fifty years old. She and 1337 01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,080 Speaker 1: I get that she's in a financial position. Of course, 1338 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,920 Speaker 1: I'm not saying like people should at fifty. She's in 1339 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,280 Speaker 1: a financial position to be able to make herself look 1340 01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,720 Speaker 1: that way. And she cares about that obviously and has 1341 01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:28,080 Speaker 1: the space in time. But give it up because not 1342 01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,680 Speaker 1: for nothing, but she's had decades long career and she 1343 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,080 Speaker 1: makes a ton of money for the industry. And if 1344 01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:38,160 Speaker 1: the OSCARS is about, like let's celebrate good performances and 1345 01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,440 Speaker 1: also like you know, pat itself on the back, like sorry, 1346 01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,800 Speaker 1: but get your nose out of your out of the air, 1347 01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,640 Speaker 1: and like understand that, like that's someone who makes a 1348 01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,959 Speaker 1: town of money for the industry, and like, don't spit 1349 01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,360 Speaker 1: in her face. On Oscar Morning on the on the 1350 01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,640 Speaker 1: morning on the morning, because she needs a nomination, and 1351 01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:00,400 Speaker 1: then I feel like everyone will be happy. No one's 1352 01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,520 Speaker 1: saying she's gonna win, right right? Um, how could you 1353 01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:05,720 Speaker 1: say that? I think you should be Jolo for Pride 1354 01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,920 Speaker 1: h probably impossible. J Loo Bow would be good to 1355 01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,040 Speaker 1: Jlo does have bobs. Yeah, and that's why the super 1356 01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,880 Speaker 1: Bowl doesn't shock me at all. Yeah. Oh, Shakira too, 1357 01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,800 Speaker 1: we love that's all excited. And it's in Miami too. 1358 01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,920 Speaker 1: I think which about Florida more because this is basically 1359 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,320 Speaker 1: a Florida boy. So were you central? Were you part 1360 01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,760 Speaker 1: of Florida? So I grew up in Hollywood, Florida, which 1361 01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:28,840 Speaker 1: is like right north of Miami, And then I did 1362 01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:33,440 Speaker 1: two years in Orlando at UCF. And what was Orlando 1363 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,280 Speaker 1: like for you? Because we're Orlando queens as you know. 1364 01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,680 Speaker 1: I love Orlando, but I hated my time in UCF. 1365 01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,360 Speaker 1: I was like deep in the closet. I was like 1366 01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:44,040 Speaker 1: working at urban outfitters the dream back then, and that 1367 01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:45,480 Speaker 1: was the goal. That was all you want to do 1368 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,440 Speaker 1: is work at urban outfitters and like be included in 1369 01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,040 Speaker 1: like that cool club. Um. I was going to like 1370 01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,919 Speaker 1: indie bars and like getting really into like New Order 1371 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,600 Speaker 1: and stuff, because like that's what Eyebar Eye bar in 1372 01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:59,080 Speaker 1: back Booth, and I was like so into that culture. 1373 01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,040 Speaker 1: And then I just that's how I got into like 1374 01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,880 Speaker 1: dance music and everything was just like going out to 1375 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,680 Speaker 1: these places and hearing it. And because you can go 1376 01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:09,280 Speaker 1: to clubs in Orland, so I was going every single weekend. 1377 01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,480 Speaker 1: So this to me is like to be closet in 1378 01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,559 Speaker 1: Orlando at that time must have been kind of brutal 1379 01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,639 Speaker 1: because I would almost compare it to New York because 1380 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,439 Speaker 1: I was closet here for a year. Like Orland, it 1381 01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,479 Speaker 1: was a pretty gay city. Oh yeah, Like every time 1382 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,280 Speaker 1: I go down there, I'm always struck by how gay 1383 01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,439 Speaker 1: the culture is. Like, um, I remember I was down 1384 01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,720 Speaker 1: there one time for my sister's graduation. I was at 1385 01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,719 Speaker 1: UM University of South Florida UM Tampa, Tampa, like close 1386 01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,760 Speaker 1: to St. Pete, and I went on Grinder and it 1387 01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:42,200 Speaker 1: was absolutely happening. Yeah, like it was. It was popping off, 1388 01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:44,280 Speaker 1: and I was just like, so that must have been 1389 01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,720 Speaker 1: like a kind of tough place to be closetive. Well 1390 01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,160 Speaker 1: I wasn't even at that point. I hadn't even accepted 1391 01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:53,240 Speaker 1: I was gay, Like I didn't check grinder. I didn't 1392 01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:55,160 Speaker 1: like think of going to gay bars or anything. And 1393 01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:56,680 Speaker 1: like at the time, my roommate was like, do you 1394 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,720 Speaker 1: want to go to a gay bar? Like obviously gay? 1395 01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:00,760 Speaker 1: And I didn't even always gay. You know, she was 1396 01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,559 Speaker 1: trying it. She was yeah yeah, but then like what 1397 01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,240 Speaker 1: was it? And like finally you just left because you're 1398 01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,240 Speaker 1: just like I'm done, ready, Okay. So the summer in 1399 01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,600 Speaker 1: between my freshman and sophomore year, I came up to 1400 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,400 Speaker 1: New York because I took an improv intensive at the 1401 01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,400 Speaker 1: magnet Y. We tie as a as a short as 1402 01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,800 Speaker 1: not a short form queen, but you're an improv queen's 1403 01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,360 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, can you see Ever? So I signed up 1404 01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,840 Speaker 1: for one and one recently because because like you see 1405 01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,960 Speaker 1: the like so intimidating. I like, like I don't know. 1406 01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:30,840 Speaker 1: I was like a theater kid in high school, so 1407 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,240 Speaker 1: like I've always loved improv and I came to New 1408 01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:34,360 Speaker 1: York and I was like, I was like I need 1409 01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,680 Speaker 1: to just go do something like get out of you 1410 01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,519 Speaker 1: get out of Florida for a bit. And I came 1411 01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,920 Speaker 1: to an intensive and like level through was topped by 1412 01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:45,280 Speaker 1: Armando Diaz. It was like really wow. So I was 1413 01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,000 Speaker 1: there for my birthday. On my birthday, it was my 1414 01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,840 Speaker 1: nineteenth birthday. Armando was going around just like telling stories 1415 01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,760 Speaker 1: of like Tina fe and like you know, Chicago back 1416 01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:54,120 Speaker 1: in the day, and I was like, I was like, 1417 01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:55,679 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so cool. I was like, okay, 1418 01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:57,639 Speaker 1: I have to get to New York. So I figured 1419 01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:58,840 Speaker 1: out how to get to New York. I came to 1420 01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,720 Speaker 1: purchase and then I didn't follow up on improv. I 1421 01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,639 Speaker 1: became a DJ. That's but that's so funny. I know. 1422 01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,920 Speaker 1: But I'm saying, and this is disgusting, pitch and please 1423 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,400 Speaker 1: shoot it down. But I feel like there's there's some capacity. 1424 01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:19,280 Speaker 1: There's room for like a Thai Sunderland functioned, not yes, 1425 01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,760 Speaker 1: some comedy event with TI like want to That's that's 1426 01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:25,240 Speaker 1: what I want to do. Is like imagine if I 1427 01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,439 Speaker 1: got back into like the improv scene, just like had 1428 01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:29,000 Speaker 1: like fun shows where it's like, you know, I have 1429 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:30,960 Speaker 1: a Mandalapoort, come and do it like a like a 1430 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:37,360 Speaker 1: monologue like monologists asking to be created. Right this thing 1431 01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,160 Speaker 1: like like the world of music and the world of dance, 1432 01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,760 Speaker 1: in the world of comedy that that's that there's a 1433 01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,880 Speaker 1: moment there because you create an amazing live event out 1434 01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,600 Speaker 1: of all all of those things and ship there's like 1435 01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,000 Speaker 1: there's like a comedy standard, but it's it's not quite 1436 01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,000 Speaker 1: structured like that. But I'm saying, like not even it's 1437 01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,160 Speaker 1: not even a festival, but it's kind of close to 1438 01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,320 Speaker 1: what I'm imagining. I want. I want If if I 1439 01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,400 Speaker 1: can help make it happen, that'd be great, But like 1440 01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:04,439 Speaker 1: I want something where it's just like gathering of queer 1441 01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:09,120 Speaker 1: people and there's music, dance, comedy, some kind of thing 1442 01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:12,200 Speaker 1: where people can just like, yeah, I feel included and 1443 01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,920 Speaker 1: not have to and just like choose how they want 1444 01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,080 Speaker 1: to engage with with what they want to do. I 1445 01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,559 Speaker 1: have a question about Orlando. So when you're there, this 1446 01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:25,160 Speaker 1: is just just a question for me. The social center 1447 01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,439 Speaker 1: are there? Is it like actually the theme parks or 1448 01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,040 Speaker 1: no way, no way, no way, okay, because literally when 1449 01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:32,680 Speaker 1: I was on a grinder and this is this is 1450 01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,080 Speaker 1: why I asked the question. When I was on grinder, 1451 01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,400 Speaker 1: every gay guy on Grinder, if you click on their 1452 01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,720 Speaker 1: like info, like what they like to do, it's all 1453 01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,080 Speaker 1: pictures of them at the theme parks and it's because 1454 01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:49,880 Speaker 1: there's so many Disney gays to be near the part 1455 01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,320 Speaker 1: of my there's a part of my personality which is that, 1456 01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,240 Speaker 1: and so we've resisted it so far. But like when 1457 01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,720 Speaker 1: I was down there, I was like, God, like, this 1458 01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,160 Speaker 1: is like something that like in a in a like 1459 01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,040 Speaker 1: upside down stranger things universe, Like I am this like 1460 01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:07,080 Speaker 1: Disney gay. Who's like and on my Saturdays I go 1461 01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,200 Speaker 1: to Epcot and I drink around the world. There's definitely 1462 01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:14,599 Speaker 1: those gays, which I love them and I say hello 1463 01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:16,760 Speaker 1: to them. But you're literally opening up grinder like at 1464 01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:22,599 Speaker 1: fucking Pork Caribbean or Port. It wasn't but I guess, 1465 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,560 Speaker 1: I guess, you know it might be right the property, 1466 01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:30,640 Speaker 1: you idiot, you're not out in the city, stupid. It 1467 01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:34,160 Speaker 1: is the dumbest question I've ever Honestly, they're big parks, 1468 01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:35,880 Speaker 1: so I didn't know. Like also, it's like a lot 1469 01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,120 Speaker 1: of people work there. Well, no one really lives around there. 1470 01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:41,439 Speaker 1: It's all hotels like like like kiss or you live, 1471 01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:45,679 Speaker 1: Like no one lives in the Cinderella Castle. I'm an idiot, shocker. 1472 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:53,040 Speaker 1: For a price, it's a hotel. Now see it's like 1473 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,400 Speaker 1: the Cinderella Say, would you want to stay there. I 1474 01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,160 Speaker 1: don't know that I stay in the castle. I think 1475 01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,120 Speaker 1: it is nice to stay in a castle in theory you, 1476 01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,080 Speaker 1: but it's also like a theme park that's like, I 1477 01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:08,320 Speaker 1: don't know, thousands of people around you. Also, the Disney 1478 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,920 Speaker 1: wedding of it all is truly scary, you guys, Like 1479 01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,760 Speaker 1: how much people will pay to get married in Disneyland. 1480 01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is what I'm sort of embarrassed to 1481 01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,000 Speaker 1: be like out here, like, oh, well, I'm a Disney gay. 1482 01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,160 Speaker 1: It's because like the way that that can be taken 1483 01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,640 Speaker 1: is like so far. Okay, Okay, I've always wanted to 1484 01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,640 Speaker 1: do Gay Days though, Yeah, I mean I wish it's 1485 01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:34,800 Speaker 1: kind of les Yeah, let's go. I went. I heard 1486 01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,280 Speaker 1: it's a moment. So Michael Hartney and I went to 1487 01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:40,599 Speaker 1: Jeans Ago. We just happened to be there for some 1488 01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,080 Speaker 1: improv everywhere thing and we were in our Lando and 1489 01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:44,080 Speaker 1: then we were just like we had a day. We 1490 01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,120 Speaker 1: went to Pandora had just opened up. We went to 1491 01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:47,920 Speaker 1: Animal Kingdom. It was in the middle of Gay Days. 1492 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:52,200 Speaker 1: All it is, you guys, you were matching T shirts 1493 01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,080 Speaker 1: and you travel in a group together, and that's it. 1494 01:13:54,160 --> 01:14:01,040 Speaker 1: Maybe you're on drugs. Literally not big yah, and like 1495 01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:05,599 Speaker 1: you might like make eye contact super intense at one point, 1496 01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:09,400 Speaker 1: but that's like every gay spaces. But I had a 1497 01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,840 Speaker 1: manager at my restaurant a long time ago tell me, oh, yeah, 1498 01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:13,519 Speaker 1: you gotta go down to get doesn't it gets because 1499 01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,400 Speaker 1: everyone's just having sex everywhere. I was like, that's not 1500 01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,840 Speaker 1: it can't be. She's like, yeah, everyone's having sex over 1501 01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:22,439 Speaker 1: the over there, It's everywhere. And there was a woman 1502 01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,280 Speaker 1: telling me this, and I was like, how did you know. 1503 01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:26,720 Speaker 1: She's like, I got lots of friends that went. I 1504 01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:28,960 Speaker 1: was like, I don't think they were telling you the truth. 1505 01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,519 Speaker 1: You can't have sex in Disney, even if it's like 1506 01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,559 Speaker 1: a day designated for gays. You can't just be fucking. 1507 01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:39,479 Speaker 1: And it's not even essentially, it's not like all of 1508 01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,559 Speaker 1: a sudden become a funk fest because like you open 1509 01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,080 Speaker 1: it up to mostly gay, it's like there's still kids there, 1510 01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:48,240 Speaker 1: it's still closes at tam Oh my god, oh my god, 1511 01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,559 Speaker 1: we should do gay Yeah, I would love. And also 1512 01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,800 Speaker 1: I am a season pass holder and oh of course 1513 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:57,760 Speaker 1: you are a sp a week two weeks. I've been 1514 01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,360 Speaker 1: there for like three weeks and I already have a 1515 01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:03,479 Speaker 1: season past. I can replace that. I have been. Luckily, 1516 01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,960 Speaker 1: now I'm dating someone that also identifies us as a 1517 01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,720 Speaker 1: Disney not as a fall blown Disney guy. He would 1518 01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,960 Speaker 1: be furious if I said that about him. But you're 1519 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:16,000 Speaker 1: you're proselytizing, You're gonna make it sure. I think it's time. 1520 01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,160 Speaker 1: I think it's time. I think it's typer. I don't 1521 01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:21,040 Speaker 1: think so, honey, honey. This is the segment of the 1522 01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,479 Speaker 1: show we take one minute to rail again something in culture. 1523 01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,360 Speaker 1: It's the culture that we're saying, you know what, not this, 1524 01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:30,479 Speaker 1: not this? Please um and I have something, I have 1525 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,000 Speaker 1: something to I should I go first, because let's go first. 1526 01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:34,760 Speaker 1: Let's let's have you go first. That's what That's what 1527 01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:36,680 Speaker 1: I meant. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so 1528 01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:38,719 Speaker 1: many as time starts now, I don't think so, honey, 1529 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:43,920 Speaker 1: what Spotify thinks. So sometimes I'll be listening to a 1530 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,240 Speaker 1: certain song and then Spotify will start thinking for itself 1531 01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:50,439 Speaker 1: and suggest something to come after. On my way over here, 1532 01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,680 Speaker 1: I was listening to Jesse j Thunder because I do 1533 01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,080 Speaker 1: forgotten Bob and I recently spoke about how it was 1534 01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,160 Speaker 1: a forgotten Bob and then the following song that came 1535 01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,479 Speaker 1: after that, and I don't think so high what I 1536 01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,439 Speaker 1: ever want to hear this? But was literally a sound 1537 01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,759 Speaker 1: effect of thunder for three minutes, and I thought to myself, 1538 01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:10,160 Speaker 1: what about this? I think Spotify was so fucking dumb. 1539 01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,320 Speaker 1: Spotify use its dumb branching thunder by just the day 1540 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,080 Speaker 1: he's gonna want to hear the literal sounds of thunder. 1541 01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,519 Speaker 1: I don't know why it's on Spotify it is. I 1542 01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,040 Speaker 1: don't think they Spotify, if you're so smart, like and 1543 01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,639 Speaker 1: you know the playlists I want, like listening to kind 1544 01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,000 Speaker 1: of song I'm listening to, and then serve me that 1545 01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:27,760 Speaker 1: if I wasn't jested today, then give me I don't know, 1546 01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,240 Speaker 1: like Kylie Minogue or something or something of that ilk. 1547 01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,560 Speaker 1: I feel that Spotify is to take too much of 1548 01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:35,479 Speaker 1: an active role in my life. I don't think so honey, 1549 01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:37,200 Speaker 1: I can make my own choice. And that's one minute. 1550 01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,160 Speaker 1: Can I offer something. I think what happened was it 1551 01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,599 Speaker 1: was not an algorithm like discover weekly playlists. I think 1552 01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:44,840 Speaker 1: you searched in the search bar thunder, And can I 1553 01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:49,719 Speaker 1: tell you something? This is what happened? What happened? And 1554 01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:51,600 Speaker 1: and it was it just made it and in the 1555 01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:55,719 Speaker 1: order can confirm. Okay, So it was more me being 1556 01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,679 Speaker 1: an idiot. Actually, Spotify is really good at creating playlists 1557 01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,240 Speaker 1: crafted to your mood. So seasonal playlist on Spotify. If 1558 01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:04,680 Speaker 1: you want to hear the recent chart toppers, listen to 1559 01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:08,960 Speaker 1: our tar Toppers playlist on Spotify. And also country hits. 1560 01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:11,639 Speaker 1: I do listen to the country here. That's my Spotify voice. 1561 01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,320 Speaker 1: That's really good. That's really good. Whatever, that's the same 1562 01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,080 Speaker 1: whiteo voice that's on like Wendy Williams. That's like after 1563 01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:21,680 Speaker 1: this RuPaul spills the t on everything that's gagging and 1564 01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,719 Speaker 1: slaying not not not Wendy. That would be like Kelly, 1565 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:30,080 Speaker 1: Kelly Ripper. After this, Janet Mock slays us with her 1566 01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:34,439 Speaker 1: knowledge what's going to happen when Susanne barsh comes in 1567 01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:41,040 Speaker 1: to stop our next Kelly? Can you imagine that would 1568 01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:48,000 Speaker 1: actually just come in and god dang face off, slay mothers, 1569 01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:54,840 Speaker 1: continue to slay. I'm Deborah that woman also on E 1570 01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,840 Speaker 1: it's always like, well, Kim Kardashian turned it out on 1571 01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,200 Speaker 1: the gig. It's really bad. Okay, So bone Yang are 1572 01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,400 Speaker 1: you ready? I'm ready? This is think so honey, as 1573 01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:07,439 Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so, honey, Marquis is 1574 01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:10,240 Speaker 1: a a safety hazard to have someone take out a 1575 01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:13,200 Speaker 1: ladder and a bunch of transparent letters and have to 1576 01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:15,839 Speaker 1: walk and go all the way up there and change 1577 01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:19,240 Speaker 1: it to you know, some stupid thing like Casey Musgraves 1578 01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,439 Speaker 1: at the at the beacon. No, you're putting a person's 1579 01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:25,479 Speaker 1: life in danger by doing that. Secondly, there are screens now. 1580 01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,240 Speaker 1: Ever heard of l C D, honey, L l C 1581 01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:31,760 Speaker 1: D right, L E D S. Look, there are screens now, 1582 01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,800 Speaker 1: and you can put pictures on those screens, and you 1583 01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:38,040 Speaker 1: can make so many fun things on screen scenes. The 1584 01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,880 Speaker 1: diodes can shine all kinds of light and make a 1585 01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:42,920 Speaker 1: picture and it shines and it glows in the dark, 1586 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:47,400 Speaker 1: and you don't have to fucking put fluorescence behind the thing. 1587 01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:51,160 Speaker 1: And you know what, Marquis, you remind us of what 1588 01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,280 Speaker 1: show biz used to be like. And may I remind 1589 01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:57,559 Speaker 1: you back in the day, rape would happen. It still 1590 01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:59,800 Speaker 1: happens now, but back then it was more prevalent. In 1591 01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,400 Speaker 1: boards would not speak up about it to markets. Are 1592 01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,479 Speaker 1: reminder of how dark Hollywood, the underbelly of Hollywood used 1593 01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:07,800 Speaker 1: to be. That's one minute. And I love that you 1594 01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:13,000 Speaker 1: entered on rape. Okay, I will say about Markey's. But 1595 01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,800 Speaker 1: I saw my name on the market Webster. I was 1596 01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:20,760 Speaker 1: freaking out. I saw that. I was really nervous. No, 1597 01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:26,960 Speaker 1: I mean you earned it, you earned it well, thank you. 1598 01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,559 Speaker 1: You know it's it's scary. It's like sold out thy 1599 01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:33,599 Speaker 1: Sunderland Webster Hall, what's amazing. That's what makes me nervous, 1600 01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,400 Speaker 1: the words, because once you know that someone is paid, yeah, 1601 01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:39,479 Speaker 1: it's like not just someone being like, sure, I'll go 1602 01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:41,760 Speaker 1: to this. It's someone who said to themselves, I'm going 1603 01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,840 Speaker 1: to spend money on the event. And that's when you 1604 01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,439 Speaker 1: don't want these people to be unhappy. Well, when I'm 1605 01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,080 Speaker 1: whenever I'm coming with an event and I'm like we're 1606 01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,519 Speaker 1: trying to figure out prices to make everything, you know, 1607 01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,360 Speaker 1: pay everybody and have everything work, I'm like, God, would 1608 01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,240 Speaker 1: I paid this amount of money to go to this? 1609 01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:59,840 Speaker 1: That's what it's worth, every dollar, it's worth every fact. 1610 01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:01,639 Speaker 1: But all every time I have that conversation with myself 1611 01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:03,640 Speaker 1: all the time. You know, some circuit parties are like 1612 01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,720 Speaker 1: hundred dollar tickets, a hundred fifty tickets for like a 1613 01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:10,880 Speaker 1: random Saturday night. I'm like, no, no, we're charging twenty 1614 01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:12,760 Speaker 1: dollar tickets to like a comedy show. And I'm like, 1615 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,120 Speaker 1: no way. Yeah, Like I'm from the UCTV school of like, 1616 01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:18,160 Speaker 1: isn't it supposed to be isn't it supposedly five dollars 1617 01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,920 Speaker 1: to see ninety minutes of improv like tickets. I'm like, 1618 01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:25,200 Speaker 1: there's got to be a mistake. We can tell everybody, Um, 1619 01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,479 Speaker 1: no matter your means, going to a t und event 1620 01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,080 Speaker 1: is always worthwhile, I mean truly, like we like we 1621 01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,240 Speaker 1: hype it up. Like among our among our group chats 1622 01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:35,240 Speaker 1: were always like, oh god, we gotta go to tye 1623 01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:36,760 Speaker 1: thing and then we're going to buy an outfit. We're 1624 01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:38,880 Speaker 1: going to do this and that, and that means here, Yeah, 1625 01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:41,559 Speaker 1: I don't know anyone that's not excited when you have something. 1626 01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:45,000 Speaker 1: And here's I'm excited for what he has in this regard, 1627 01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:48,280 Speaker 1: which is that on things. So, honey, yes, this is ready. 1628 01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:51,720 Speaker 1: I'm very excited. This is silly, but we love this 1629 01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:53,800 Speaker 1: ty Sunderlan. I don't think so, honey. As time starts now, 1630 01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,200 Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Health foods covered in plastics, 1631 01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,519 Speaker 1: Like like, I'm just trying to enjoy a salad. Now 1632 01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,439 Speaker 1: I have all this plastic, got like what do I do? 1633 01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:02,800 Speaker 1: If they do I have to go home and wash 1634 01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,360 Speaker 1: it out? And then recycling, recycling is so complicated to 1635 01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:07,439 Speaker 1: like what are we even doing with this? Why? Why 1636 01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:09,719 Speaker 1: is there no one system where it's like, oh, everyone 1637 01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,679 Speaker 1: knows how to do it. They're teaching us the fucking 1638 01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,120 Speaker 1: like pythagorant theory, but we don't know how to recycle. 1639 01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:16,479 Speaker 1: What is going on in these fucking schools. I just 1640 01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,120 Speaker 1: want to enjoy my salad, enjoy my fresh cut fruit 1641 01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:23,720 Speaker 1: without feeling like, oh my god, I'm like polluting. Yeah, 1642 01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,000 Speaker 1: you know, I can already I get fries in like 1643 01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:28,559 Speaker 1: a fucking paper carton. Why can't I get a salad 1644 01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:32,600 Speaker 1: in a paper like? Yeah? Like what is going on? 1645 01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,800 Speaker 1: I just want some health food. I'm gay I need 1646 01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:40,680 Speaker 1: a salad and plastic and it's it's plastic. It's the 1647 01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:44,960 Speaker 1: worst too. And can I say I'm also delivery. We 1648 01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:46,719 Speaker 1: got to come up with a better way to deliver food, 1649 01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:48,679 Speaker 1: Like it's always coming in plastic and I'm just always 1650 01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:54,679 Speaker 1: like I'm the fucking worst. Anyway, I'm gonna eat this sushi. Wow, Okay, 1651 01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:58,880 Speaker 1: So you know what honestly, the hip the hypocrisy has 1652 01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,720 Speaker 1: been attacked here today and I'm I'm very appreciative of it. 1653 01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:03,640 Speaker 1: I wish it was music related, Like we talked so 1654 01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,719 Speaker 1: much about music. I should have done a music honestly 1655 01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:11,120 Speaker 1: much about it. I constantly am confronting, especially now with 1656 01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,400 Speaker 1: so much talk about the climate as we need to 1657 01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,040 Speaker 1: have in l A. Where it's like you're so much 1658 01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:20,080 Speaker 1: more acutely aware of like how dangerous sh is because 1659 01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:23,200 Speaker 1: of forest fires, forest fires literally every fifteen minutes, and 1660 01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:26,000 Speaker 1: the air pollution is truly bad. Like I'm always thinking 1661 01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,599 Speaker 1: to myself, like and it seems like you never get 1662 01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,400 Speaker 1: a single straw in l A. Like l A seems 1663 01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:32,880 Speaker 1: to be aware of it in a way that maybe 1664 01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,719 Speaker 1: New York is coming, But it's like I constantly am thinking, 1665 01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,840 Speaker 1: like what are we doing to harm the environment? Which 1666 01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,559 Speaker 1: is good, but it's also like me not getting a 1667 01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,160 Speaker 1: bag is not saving the fucking world, you know, Like 1668 01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,680 Speaker 1: we need large systemic change if we're actually gonna be 1669 01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:49,439 Speaker 1: like it's not some bootstrap sort of thing like oh 1670 01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:52,040 Speaker 1: got to get the climate change fixed. You know. It's 1671 01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,080 Speaker 1: what Liz Warren said one time. She was like she 1672 01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,880 Speaker 1: was like you like, not buying straws is not the problem. 1673 01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,479 Speaker 1: It's the fucking people at the top. We're creating everybody 1674 01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,800 Speaker 1: because it's like you know your ear exactly right. It 1675 01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,439 Speaker 1: needs to start in big, big, big ways, which is 1676 01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:09,640 Speaker 1: why I'm so propelled by like this idea that like 1677 01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,519 Speaker 1: we need a centrist to bring us together. No, we 1678 01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:18,960 Speaker 1: need like incredible sdemic mandated change literally right now. And 1679 01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:20,760 Speaker 1: I would even go as far as to say, and 1680 01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,120 Speaker 1: I think what Liz Warren was talking about, which she 1681 01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,879 Speaker 1: was like, they want you to be talking about sucking straws. 1682 01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,479 Speaker 1: They want you to be like, yeah, concerned. It's it's 1683 01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:30,040 Speaker 1: it's such a distraction. It's like they want you to 1684 01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,439 Speaker 1: feel like you're making some change that actually has has 1685 01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:35,280 Speaker 1: a negligible effect on all of us. So anyway, Wow, 1686 01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,840 Speaker 1: we're so woke. How much is she killing it right now? 1687 01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:41,479 Speaker 1: Oh she's love her, love her. I mean, y'all. Sketch 1688 01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,479 Speaker 1: last night was so good. That was a seedy green 1689 01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,920 Speaker 1: Frian glaspeed joints. It really was great. I thought that 1690 01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:50,120 Speaker 1: was such an amazing moment. It truly was. It did 1691 01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:52,880 Speaker 1: feel like a real those little moments like having Billy 1692 01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:54,559 Speaker 1: Porter there, it was like a real it was a 1693 01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:58,080 Speaker 1: real reach out to the like, Hi, there's people here 1694 01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:02,160 Speaker 1: that are like writing, yes, that are involved in your community. Yes, yes, um, 1695 01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:08,799 Speaker 1: but yeah, I um. I'm trying my best to make 1696 01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,800 Speaker 1: small changes both. Look, if Jane Fani can get arrested 1697 01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:17,880 Speaker 1: with her granddaughter, with her granddaughter, she moved her asked 1698 01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,960 Speaker 1: to d C to be in the middle of the 1699 01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:24,519 Speaker 1: she said she's gonna stay there until fucking after Christmas. No, 1700 01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:29,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying that's pretty huge. Gret is inspiring me so much. 1701 01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,639 Speaker 1: I'm moving to d C. I'm staying here to whatever. Jane. 1702 01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:35,880 Speaker 1: That's a little good Jane, it's a it's a little 1703 01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,040 Speaker 1: bit of share. And her teeth are hitting her tongue 1704 01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,519 Speaker 1: in the wrong way. But like I said, I said 1705 01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:45,880 Speaker 1: to Frankie Grand Franking Boots, So I said to Boone 1706 01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,800 Speaker 1: before I last night, I fell down an Ann Curry wormhole, 1707 01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:54,479 Speaker 1: and I eventually hit like when there was no more 1708 01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,960 Speaker 1: Am Curry content, I finally hit like Megan Kelly and 1709 01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,719 Speaker 1: I was just like, fuck her. But I did watch 1710 01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:03,000 Speaker 1: her interview with Jane, and Jane's amazing in it, and 1711 01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,799 Speaker 1: she asked Jane Fonda, like, what about your plastic surgery. 1712 01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,360 Speaker 1: What about that? We're going to talk about that? You 1713 01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:12,600 Speaker 1: want to talk about this? And then there was like 1714 01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,280 Speaker 1: I started a whole few between them and I'm like, 1715 01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:18,639 Speaker 1: Jane fund Is Rule of Culture number seventy seven, Jane 1716 01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:23,519 Speaker 1: Fonda Is, period is is the verbs and there's no object, 1717 01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:27,439 Speaker 1: and you know who else is tyson Um. We were 1718 01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:29,759 Speaker 1: really looking forward to that, and we're talking so excited 1719 01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:35,880 Speaker 1: looking forward to this. We've been like you truly created 1720 01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,519 Speaker 1: all the best nights of our summer, and I mean 1721 01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,360 Speaker 1: it was like it was like a very it was 1722 01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:45,200 Speaker 1: a big summer for us, and we like, definitely it's 1723 01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:48,240 Speaker 1: still all your party's managed to be the highlight, such 1724 01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,720 Speaker 1: an incredible that they were like ten poles for us. 1725 01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:53,800 Speaker 1: I think because it was it was crazy summer for us, 1726 01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,519 Speaker 1: a lot of changes happening, Matt was sort of planning 1727 01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:58,439 Speaker 1: out his his l a move, a lot of stuff 1728 01:25:58,520 --> 01:25:59,880 Speaker 1: was going on. We were just like, okay, you know what, 1729 01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,880 Speaker 1: let's just like it was a fun summer and yours 1730 01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,639 Speaker 1: you were an incredible, huge part of that. And I'm 1731 01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:08,000 Speaker 1: sure that every old queer out there is kind of 1732 01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,519 Speaker 1: just like absolutely feeling the same way. We're very excited 1733 01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,479 Speaker 1: to see I always hear it's so thank you. Um, 1734 01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:15,400 Speaker 1: you'll hear it for a very long time from us, 1735 01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:18,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure. Um, And please go check out ties events, 1736 01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:23,240 Speaker 1: Um Love Prison, have it on Earth, Devil's Playground and Eve. 1737 01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:26,200 Speaker 1: Yes ready, it'll be announced in a couple of weeks. 1738 01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,760 Speaker 1: So New Year's Eve. I have a venue confirmed with 1739 01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:30,519 Speaker 1: a twenty four hour liquor license, so it is going 1740 01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,519 Speaker 1: to be from nine pm until noon the next day 1741 01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:36,320 Speaker 1: selling liquor the entire time, all fifteen hours. And the 1742 01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:40,479 Speaker 1: theme is y two k Rave so it is. It 1743 01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,400 Speaker 1: is me and my daughter Lennox producing it, and it's 1744 01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,280 Speaker 1: going to be starting as like a nineties party like it, 1745 01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:47,960 Speaker 1: but then at midnight the world ends and it becomes 1746 01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:51,600 Speaker 1: a trans rave. Wow. We love that. Is there a 1747 01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:54,880 Speaker 1: date when tickets go on sale for that? Um middle 1748 01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:59,280 Speaker 1: of November? Cool? So right? Okay, So are you going 1749 01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:01,360 Speaker 1: to be in New York of Halloween? Yes? I would 1750 01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:03,479 Speaker 1: be New York call of Halloween. I'm not doing anything major. 1751 01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:07,040 Speaker 1: I'm doing something with Angela and Banjie on Halloween proper 1752 01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,400 Speaker 1: and then I'll be doing a party after. But I 1753 01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:14,320 Speaker 1: love that. Wow. Wow. The Man, the Man, the Man, 1754 01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:18,720 Speaker 1: the myth the lahnd um we are every episode with 1755 01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:26,320 Speaker 1: the song we sure do. So whatever you and I 1756 01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:32,040 Speaker 1: trying to add natural, have you been backing la me? 1757 01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,880 Speaker 1: Do we know the song? Let's go, Let's let's go 1758 01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:39,200 Speaker 1: to the end because the end of the chorus. I'll 1759 01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:48,280 Speaker 1: never tell them you're not so what we're doing right now, Britney. 1760 01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:51,679 Speaker 1: But the actual that what I was trying to get 1761 01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,760 Speaker 1: to was I put on put on my poll and 1762 01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,120 Speaker 1: I thought you wanted to go all the way to 1763 01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:57,880 Speaker 1: the end, and here you were tricking me up. Go 1764 01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:01,519 Speaker 1: ahead take it. So it's a bad song. It's a 1765 01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:11,880 Speaker 1: terrible song. Look gonna go by. This has been a 1766 01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:16,280 Speaker 1: Forever Dog production executive produced by Brett Bahum, Joe Silio, 1767 01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:21,120 Speaker 1: and Alex Ramsey. 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