1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to The Laverne Cox Show, a production of Shonda 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Land Audio in partnership with I Heart Radio. It's the 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: tough moments where you don't want to self regulate. It's 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: the tough moments where you're in such panic and fear 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: where you don't you think you can't control it. Those 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: are the moments where if you really go at it 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: and you really work on it, now you're you're really 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: employing the biggest challenge of all and if you can 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: overcome that, and the rest is easy. And so they've 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: practiced the tools, sooner or later they're going to break through. 11 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to the Laverne Cox Show. I'm 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: Laverne Cox. So a few years ago I was on 13 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: Instagram as I often am, and so a video from 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: Louis House and there was a man in the video 15 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: named Dr Joe Dispensa talking about healing the body through meditation, 16 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: like healing physical ailments through meditation. And I just started meditation, 17 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: transcenental meditation to be specific. So I was really intrigued, 18 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: and so I went into a deep dive in his 19 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: into his work and was fascinated. But also he was 20 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: talking about quantum physics and epigenetics and neural plasticity and 21 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: all this stuff I made a's and everything except math 22 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: and science. So it was just kind of like, um what. 23 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: But as I continue to explore his work, the idea 24 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: of personal transformation, the idea of creating the future we 25 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: want not from the known but from the unknown, deeply 26 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: intrigued me. He talks about creating an experience in our 27 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: bodies in the present moment that can make us feel 28 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: as if we've already experienced it. As an actor. That 29 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense to me. I do that 30 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: all the time, So of course when I got this podcast, 31 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: I was like, I would really love to interview that 32 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: Dr Joe dispends a guy and try to like break 33 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: down some of his concepts with him himself. Since two 34 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: thousand ten, Dr Joe Dispends his partner with scientists and 35 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: universities to perform extensive research on the effects that meditation 36 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: has on the brain and body. His team has gathered 37 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: more than eight thousand brain scans and four thousand heart 38 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: rate variability measurements to try and correlate how various levels 39 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: of emotion affect heart and brain function, immune response, and 40 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: overall mind body Health. He is the author of You 41 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: Are the Placebo, Making your Mind Matter, evolve your brain 42 00:02:52,120 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: and more. Please enjoy my conversation with Dr Joe dispends Up. Hello, 43 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: Doctor Doti Spenser, Welcome to the podcast How are you 44 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: Failing Today? I'm very excited to spend an hour with you. Awesome, awesome, awesome. 45 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: I'd like to begin with your story from when you 46 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: were in a triathlon and you had an accident. Can 47 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: you talk to us about that? Sure, I'll give you 48 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: the short story. But I think for many of us, 49 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: in order for us to to wake up, we need 50 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: a wake up call. And and my wake up call 51 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: happened in six I was in the traathlon in Palm Springs, California, 52 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: and I was on the biking portion of the race 53 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: when I was coming up to this corner and there 54 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: was a police officer around the corner and he was 55 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: pointing at me to signal me to make the turn. 56 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: The problem was he had his back to the oncoming 57 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: traffic behind him, so he was telling me to turn. 58 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: And so when I made the turn, this four well 59 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: drive Bronco going about sixty miles an hour, hit me 60 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: from behind and catapulted me out of my bike. And 61 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: when you land that hard on the ground, when you're 62 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: in the air, the force of compression takes the columns, 63 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: the blocks of the vertebrae and compresses them and they break. 64 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: And so in my case, I broke six of those 65 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: vertebrae when I hit the ground. And when you take 66 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: a volume of matter and you compress it, fragments gotta 67 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: go somewhere. So I had bone fragments on my spinal cord, 68 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: and the arch that the spinal cord passes through had 69 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: broken like a pretzel. So I had multiple compression fractures. 70 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: So it was a it was a difficult situation for me. 71 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: In the typical procedure for something like that, laver is 72 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: a Harrington rod surgery, and in my case, it would 73 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: cut off the back parts of my vertebrae from the 74 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: base of my neck to the base of my spine 75 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: and then screwing these long, stainless steel rods in an 76 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: attempt to candel ever, you know, to pull the spine 77 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: off the cord. And I was a twenty four year 78 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: old kid, and I was living a great life in 79 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: San Diego, and I and I just couldn't imagine me 80 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: be compromised to that degree and living with an addictive medications, 81 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: or if I chose that radical type of treatment, I 82 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't have many options. In other words, there would be 83 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: much for me to do after that point. And so 84 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: they told me, if I didn't have the surgery, I 85 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: probably never walk again. And so I had four opinions 86 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: from four the leading surgeons in southern California, and they 87 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: were all very fixed on the idea of me having 88 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: this radical surgery. And I had five days to decide. 89 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: And if you don't make that decision within those five days, 90 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: and the bones automatically start to heal. And if I 91 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: decided to have the surgery afterwards, they'd have to cut 92 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: me open from the front and the back, and that's 93 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: a very aggressive surgery. So for me, um, I had 94 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: to make a decision. And I think that one of 95 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: the worst of human sufferings is in decision. When I 96 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: was weighing what I knew against what I didn't know, 97 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,679 Speaker 1: and was I willing to take a risk and a chance, 98 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: And I kept hearing this voice in my head that said, 99 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: the power that made the body heals the body, you know, 100 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: And I thought, well, goodness, I'm not going anywhere I'm 101 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: laying face down, I can't move. Had you heard that before? 102 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: The power that makes the body heals the body hit 103 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: to hit. Someone said that you before. Yeah, I had 104 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: that principle kind of in my mind, but I never 105 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: really took it to the test, like to this degree. 106 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: So I figured that there is this intelligence that lives 107 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: within us is a consciousness, and consciousness is awareness, and 108 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: awareness is paying attention. So I thought, if I could 109 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: take all of my attention off all the things in 110 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: my life and be present with it and give it 111 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: a plan, give it a formula, give it an understanding, 112 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: a template of what I wanted, and when I was 113 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: satisfied with what I wanted, I would surrender that image 114 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: or that vision to this greater mind than allow it 115 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: to do the healing for me, because I knew that 116 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. I knew that my body had 117 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: to do it for me. So I think that when 118 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: you're injured or in crisis like that, we focus on 119 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: what we don't want to have happened instead of what 120 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,679 Speaker 1: we do want to have happened. So I would start 121 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: this inward process and start reconstructing my vertebrae, and then 122 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: I'd start thinking, Oh my god, I'm gonna be living 123 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: in a wheelchair. Should I sell my home? Should I 124 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: sell my practice? And I kept catching myself and that 125 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: wasn't what I wanted to show this intelligence. And so 126 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: I went through six and a half weeks of probably 127 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: the darkest night of the soul I had ever been in, 128 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: and then I just kept with it. It took me 129 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: two or three hours to go through the whole process, 130 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: and then about six weeks or so, it started getting 131 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: really easy. I could do it in a shorter amount 132 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: of time, and I wasn't frustrated or impatient or sad 133 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: or any of those emotions. When I was done, I 134 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: felt lifted. I felt like I had accomplished something. And 135 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: then I started noticing dramatic changes in my body. My 136 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: sensory function came back, my motor function came back, and 137 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: I was back on my feet in ten and a 138 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: half weeks and back to training at twelve weeks. And 139 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: I just made a deal with myself that if I 140 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: was ever able to walk again, I'd spend the rest 141 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: of my life studying this mind body connection and mind 142 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: over matter. And I've been doing that since. That's incredible 143 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: what practice were you practicing at twenty four you said 144 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: you were going to leave your practice. Yes, I was 145 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: a chiropractor at the time. I had a multi disciplinary clinic, 146 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: and I was treating a lot of try athletes, and 147 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: it was just kind of my life. And so I 148 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: knew enough about the spine to know that if I 149 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: went with that surgery, that procedure, I probably wind up 150 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: in trouble later on in my life, and I was 151 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: just not willing to take that chance. Have you had 152 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: any issues with your back or spine since? Like, what? Nothing? No? No, 153 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: In fact, I trained six days a week. I'm super active. 154 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: I never have pain in my spine, and I do 155 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: all the things that I want to do and I'm 156 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: not compromised in any way. Yeah, that's incredible. This is 157 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: a good time to take a little break. We'll be 158 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: right back though. Alright, now that's all taken care of, 159 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: Let's get back to our chat. Yea. So one of 160 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: my favorite quotes of yours is the best way to 161 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: predict your future is to create it, not from the known, 162 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: but from the un known. Can you talk about where 163 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: you are now with breaking the habit of being yourself? Right? 164 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: I mean that's the name of one of your books. 165 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: Then that feels like the crux of what your work 166 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: is about, giving us a new template to be a 167 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: new self. And what that processes is like it's a 168 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: really intense process, I know. But well, what I've come 169 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: to learn is that our our personality creates our personal reality, 170 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: and our personality is made up of how we think, 171 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: how we act, and how we feel. So the present 172 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: personality who's listening to this podcast has created the present 173 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: personal reality called their life. Which means if you want 174 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: to create a new personal reality, a new life, you've 175 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: got to change your personality. You have to change, and 176 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: I think most people try to create a new life 177 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: without changing, and that's one of the challenges that we have. 178 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: So if you believe in any measure that your thoughts 179 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: have something to do with your destiny, or your thoughts 180 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: have something to do with your life, your life is 181 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: going to stay the same because the same thoughts lead 182 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: to the same choices, the same choices lead to the 183 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: same behaviors. So the side effect of that is that 184 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: our biology, our neurocircuitry, our neurochemistry, our hormones, and even 185 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: our gene expressions stays the same because we're staying the same. 186 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: So there's a principle in neuroscience that says that nerve 187 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: cells that fire together wire together, with nerve deals that 188 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,599 Speaker 1: fire together wire together nerve deals that fire together. What 189 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: does that mean? What if you keep thinking the same thoughts, 190 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: if you keep making the same choices, if you keep 191 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: doing the same things, if you keep creating the same experiences, 192 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: and you keep feeling the same emotions, you keep firing 193 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: the same circuits in your brain in the same way. 194 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: And if you keep firing and wiring those circuits, you 195 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: begin to hardwire your brain into a very finite signature. 196 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: That finite signature literally solidifies by the time where in 197 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: our mid thirties, By the time when our mid thirties, 198 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: we become a memorized set of automatic behaviors or unconscious habits. 199 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: Needs are emotional responses, hardwired attitudes, beliefs, and perceptions that 200 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: function just like a computer program. So then most people 201 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: that are trying to create a new reality, they're thinking 202 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: positively and they're saying I'm healthy, I'm healthy and wealthy 203 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: and wealthy and free and free, and that thought is 204 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: never making it past the brainstem because the body is 205 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: saying no, you're not You're miserable, you're unhappy. You're programmed 206 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: this way. So so the first part to change is 207 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: to become conscious of those unconscious thoughts, behaviors, and emotions. 208 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: And this is lighting a match in a dark place. Now, 209 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: what do you think your body is gonna say. Your 210 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: body's gonna say, oh, no way, it's gonna start influencing 211 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: the mind. You're gonna start hearing chatter, that says Laverne. 212 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: I think this thought, and this thought leads to this choice. 213 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: This choice leads this behavior. This behavior creates the same experience, 214 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: and the same experience produces the same feeling. You say, oh, 215 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: this feels right, No, that feels familiar. So going from 216 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: the old self to the new self, there's a neurological 217 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: death that has to take place. And most people they 218 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: can't tolerate that unknown place because we've been conditioned in 219 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: survival that the unknown is unpredictable and it's scary. And 220 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: I say that unknown is the perfect place to create from. 221 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: And we teach people how to get to that place 222 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: and work on being comfortable in that place. To say 223 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,479 Speaker 1: to themselves, if I pay attention and I have intention, 224 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be installing neurological hardware. Keep firing and wiring 225 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: those thoughts and they become like a software program. And 226 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: that's the new voice in your head that says you 227 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: can anything as possible. If you close your eyes and 228 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: you say to yourself, one day is one lifetime, and 229 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: you began to rehearse what you were going to do 230 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: in that day. If you were truly present, your brain 231 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,119 Speaker 1: would not know the difference between the outer world experience 232 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: and what you were imagining in your mind. There's research 233 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: on this, and you would begin to install more neurological hardware. 234 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: Keep doing it every day and it becomes more automatic, 235 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you start behaving like a 236 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: happy person. No magic there, You rehearsed it. Now here's 237 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: the challenge. Can you teach your body emotionally what that 238 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: future reality will feel like before it happens. That means 239 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: you can't wait for your healing to feel gratitude. You 240 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: can't wait for your wealth to feel abundance. You can't 241 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: wait for your new relationship to feel love. That's that's 242 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: the old model of of cause and effect. Waiting for 243 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: something in your outer world to change that take away 244 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: your emptiness or lack. The quantum model of reality is 245 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: embracing the emotion before it happens, and it causes the 246 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: body to believe it's living in that future in the 247 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: present moment, and that's when we see traumatic changes in 248 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: people's biology. I love that. I love that. I wonder 249 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: why is it called a quantum model. I guess for 250 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: those of us who are not into quantum theory, Well, 251 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, quantum physics says that mind and matter are 252 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: so intimately connected that it's impossible to separate the two. 253 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: That if you study sub atomic particles, no matter who 254 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: you are, when you look to measure that electron, that photon, 255 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: it mysteriously appears when you look for it, turn your 256 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: back on it, and it goes from a particle back 257 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: to possibility, back to energy. So then some way your 258 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: mind has an effect on the external world. And we 259 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: teach people instead of being the victim of their life, 260 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: you know, to say to them, why are you unhappy? 261 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: I'm unhappy because of this person or the circumstance. What 262 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: they're saying, really is that person or that circumstances is 263 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: controlling the way I feel and the way I think. Well, 264 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: anything that controls the way you feel and the way 265 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: you think, you're victim too. But if you teach people 266 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: that the way they think in the way they feel 267 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: produces outcomes in their life, then it says that mind 268 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: has an effect on mattering. My interest is teaching people 269 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: how to shorten the gap between cause and effect, between 270 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: the thought and the experience. And when we do that, 271 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: I would say that you would start believing you're more 272 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: of the creator of your life and less of a 273 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: victim of your life. Amazing. When you talked about the 274 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: one of some of the research I was I'm doing 275 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: on you, you talked about an experiment with piano playing. 276 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: Can you tell us about that experiment. I think it 277 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: really illustrates a lot of what you're saying through brilliantly. Sure, sure, 278 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: if you were truly present in the moment, your brain 279 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: would believe that that's exactly what you were experiencing. So 280 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: they took a group of people that never played the 281 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: piano before, and they divided them to do different categories. 282 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: In one group, they had them common play these one 283 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: handed scales and chords for two hours a day for 284 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: five days. They did a brain scan on them before 285 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: and then they had a brain scan on them five 286 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: days later, and as you would expect, five days later, 287 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: they grew a whole another set of circuits in their 288 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: brain as a result of that experience. Why you learn 289 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: something new, Learning is making new connections in your brain. 290 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: You get some instruction. If you get some instruction, you 291 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: get your body involved. If your body involved, you're gonna 292 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: have experience. Keep repeating the experience over and over again, 293 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: keep paying attention. You're gonna fire and wire new circuits, 294 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: and you're gonna install new neurological hardware in your brain. 295 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: Take another group of people, do a brain scan at 296 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: the beginning, and but this time, instead of them actually 297 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: physically playing the piano, have them close their eyes and 298 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: mentally rehearse playing those scales and chords for two hours 299 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: a day for five days, and scan their brain at 300 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: the end of five days. And at the end of 301 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: five days, they grow the same amount of circuits in 302 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: their brain. The brain did not know the difference between 303 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,359 Speaker 1: the real life experience of playing the scales and chords 304 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: and what they were imagining in their mind without ever 305 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: lifting a finger. You take those people never played the 306 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: piano before you set up in front of a piano 307 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: and like magic, they can play the scales and chords. Well, 308 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: they prime their brain for the experience. So if you're 309 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: working with a CEO, if you're working with a single 310 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: mother with three children, if you're working with anybody wants 311 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: to improve anything, every single one of those people mentally 312 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: rehearsed their game. Now the brain is no longer a 313 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: record of the past. Now it's a map to the future. Okay, 314 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: so you say, well that changes the brain. What about 315 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: the body. Take a group of men and have them 316 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: come for an hour day and close their eyes and 317 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: mentally rehearsed doing bicep curls, and add an emotional component 318 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: like stronger, harder, more intense. One hour a day for 319 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: two weeks. At the end of two weeks, thirteen point 320 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: five increase in muscle strength and never lifted away. Now 321 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: the body looks like it was in the experience for 322 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: the last two weeks. Now we teach this model to 323 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: teach people how to get healthy, because if it looks 324 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: like you've already had the experience in your brain and body, 325 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: because you rehearsed it enough times, it has to come 326 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: to you into your life. That's so amazing. So these 327 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: are all things that require lots of rehearsal, lots of practice, 328 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: and practice sort of makes perfect and so so much 329 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: of what it sounds like you're talking about is changing 330 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: our lives through practice. Right, basically practice is only through meditation. 331 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: Are there other ways for us to basically use the resource? Well, um, 332 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: I'll give you the short answer. The more you can 333 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: lay that old self down, Like actors and actresses do 334 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: this so well, they lay down their persona and they 335 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: literally becomes somebody else. They think differently, they act differently, 336 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: they feel differently. They become that person and there's a 337 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: principle in neuroscience called neuroplasticity, and plasticity is the ability 338 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: for the brain to reshape and rewire itself, and that's 339 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: exactly what you're doing. You're literally becoming someone else. As 340 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: an example, is really a person that has a problem 341 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: with anxiety. Then they're mismanaging their thoughts, they're mismanaging their emotions, 342 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: they're mismanaging their behaviors. And they have to get so 343 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: conscious of that old self that they won't go unconscious 344 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: to any thought, behavior, or emotions. So in meditation, you 345 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: have to become very familiar with the old self, so 346 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: that in your way in day you don't go unconscious. 347 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: But if you say how am I going to think? 348 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: How am I going to act? And how am I 349 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: going to feel, and you begin to bring up those emotions, 350 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: and you begin to rehearse who you're going to be, 351 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: and you begin to think about how you do want 352 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: to think. If you keep doing it over and over again, 353 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: it will begin to become familiar to you. So the 354 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: process of change requires unlearning and relearning. It's breaking the 355 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: habit of the old self and reinventing a new self. 356 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: It's pruning synaptic connections and sprouting new connections. And so 357 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: when you become the person that you want to be, 358 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: then you don't need anyone or anything outside of you 359 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: to make you happy. That's the name of the game here. 360 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: You want to be able to bring that up on 361 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: your own and when you're living in the emotions of 362 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: your future. What we found out was if you're feeling empowered, 363 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: if you're feeling lifted, if you're feeling unlimited, if you're 364 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: feeling abundant, if you're feeling an incredible amount of love, 365 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: you never look for it to happen. You already feel 366 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: like it has happened, and that's when you all of 367 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: a sudden start having these synchronicities, these coincidences, these serendipities, 368 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: these opportunities that begin to come to you. That's the 369 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: name of the game. What is fascinating about about your 370 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 1: work is that you talk about frequency and energy, right 371 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: that when we do create this new person, that we 372 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: started vibrating in a new frequency, and that frequency begins 373 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: to attract different things that certainly experience that just in 374 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: my dating life that like I there's just things that 375 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: became unacceptable for me with men. I just wouldn't, you know. 376 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: And I kept working on myself and I definitely noticed 377 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: that I started attracting different kinds of men that the 378 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: men who there trifling, they just wouldn't even look my 379 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: way anymore because they just they weren't even on the 380 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: same frequency. And I was like, this is fascinating, and 381 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: it feels like that's kind of what you're what you're 382 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: talking about here. Sure, well, I've been at this for 383 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,239 Speaker 1: a very long time, and I can honestly tell you 384 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: that nobody changes until they change their energy. And when 385 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: you change your energy, you change your life. And the 386 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: stress responses with the body naturally doesn't. And I think 387 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: people when they're threatened or they feel fear, or they 388 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: feel aggression, or they feel whatever, the emotion is resentment. 389 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: In patients, they try to control everything in their life 390 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: and they start shifting their attention to different people in 391 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: different meetings and different objects and different and their brain 392 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: starts firing really out of order. If the thought sends 393 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: a signal out, then the feeling starts to draw experiences 394 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: to us. So instead of doing it that way, we've 395 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: all done it that way. If I could open my 396 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: heart and feel the emotion of my future and I 397 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: could sustain it, and I know that if I feel 398 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: that emotion, I'm drawing my future to me. If I 399 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: could synchronize my energy and every single day to a 400 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: new future, then the side effects should be synchronicities in 401 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: my life. This is the work to be able to 402 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: maintain that modified state of mind and body your entire day, 403 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: independent of any condition in your outer world. Because the 404 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: moment I say to you, lookver and what happened you look? 405 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: It looks like you're unhappy. You'd say, Oh, it's this 406 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: person or this thing I got to deal with. While 407 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: we're back to the unconscious growth. Being a victim. That's 408 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: something in our outer world, change the way we're feeling 409 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: and thinking, and we disconnected from the energy of our future, 410 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: and now we're back to the energy of our past. 411 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: Don't expect anything to change in your life now. You 412 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: have one of two choices to stay in that those 413 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: emotions complain blame, be a victim, make excuses, feel sorry 414 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: for yourself, or you excuse yourself and say I need 415 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: five minutes and get right back into the emotion if 416 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: your heart and begin to connect to the emotion of 417 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: your future. And people who do this that can do 418 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: it with their eyes open, they have really profound, unusual, 419 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: miraculous things that begin to occur in their world. And 420 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: the beauty behind all of this is you get to 421 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: be anybody you want. You have the free will. The 422 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: spark of the divine lives in you, and you have 423 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: the free will to create life exactly the way you want. Oh, honey, 424 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: has that for a little truth. After a tiny break, 425 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: we've got more for you. We are back and we're 426 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: ready to pick up where we left up. I'm glad 427 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: you mentioned stress hormones because I think you know I've 428 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: talked a lot on this podcast about trauma, trauma resilience. 429 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: It's a huge part of my therapeutic practice. I've become 430 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: aware that, um, I'm forty nine years old that from 431 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: most of my life, I've sort of lived in this 432 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: sort of survival, perpetual survival state, right, And I'm definitely 433 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: experiencing health consequences as a result of that excess cortisol 434 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: on adrenaline. It is presenting in my life and unfortunate ways. 435 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: I had a panic attack a couple of weeks ago, 436 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: and so I'm someone who really works on myself, and 437 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: so I guess my whole thing is like the only 438 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: way that this is possible for us to be in 439 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: the present moment, to become pure consciousness. Is another phrase 440 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: that you use is that we have to be able 441 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: to let go of the fight or flight response. We 442 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: have to be able to let go of those stress hormones. 443 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: And that is easier said than done for some of us, 444 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: especially when I'm hyper aware that I never feel safe. Right, 445 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: there's so much trauma and again and I want to 446 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: be a victim, Like what's my responsibility in this? Right? 447 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: I want to I'm very committed to getting over this 448 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: and like, you know, being the master of my faith, 449 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: the captain of my soul. So for folks who are 450 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: dealing with a lot of trauma and and whatnot, what 451 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: but just just get over it. No, no, no, it's 452 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: not it's not that easy, you see. No, I know. 453 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: The stronger the emotion, the stronger the emotional response that 454 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: we have to some experience in our life, the more 455 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 1: altered we feel inside of us, the more we pay 456 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: attention to the cause. And when that happens, the brain 457 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: takes a snapshot and that's called the long term memory. 458 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: The problem is that every time you think about that event, 459 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: you're using the same chemistry in your brain and body 460 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: as if it was happening. So again, the thought and 461 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: the feeling, the memory and the emotion, the stimulus response, 462 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: it's not in the conscious mind now, it's in the body. 463 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: Right So the body is trying to predict when the 464 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: next bad moment's going to happen and prepare for the worst. 465 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: Eat at that point, your body has been programmed. You 466 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: could say stop while you want, but the body is 467 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 1: already in the experience right now. The problem with that 468 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: is you lose control and then you think, what if 469 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: it happens again. Now you start worrying about when it's 470 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: gonna happen again, and it's the fear of happening again. 471 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden list it's the same response. 472 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: So I could show you hundreds and hundreds and hundreds 473 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: of brain skins of people in this work that labored 474 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: for that present moment and started to catch the thought, 475 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: catch the feeling, become aware of those subtle sensations in 476 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: their body, and worked with their eyes closed, with their 477 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: body to settle the body back down, training the animal 478 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: as the body. You got aroused, and they started to 479 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: settle the body back down to the presment. Just like 480 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: loving a dog to stay. You stay, and the body stays, 481 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: and it goes what about this starts? Ah, you bring 482 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: it back down. And this is the battle. This is 483 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: David and Goliath. This is facing the necromancer. Because survival, 484 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: it's literally life or death when we're in survival. And 485 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: that is the intense part about this, that survival survival 486 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: is you gotta take care of your body. So when 487 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 1: we perceive a threat or a danger in our outer world, 488 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: we switch on that primitive nervous system called the fight 489 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: or flight nervous system, the sympathetic nervous system. Now, human beings, 490 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: we can turn on that stress response just by thought alone. 491 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: We could think about our problems and produce that same effect. 492 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: What we've noticed is that that arousal that comes from 493 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: the stress response gives the brain and body a rush 494 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: of adrenaline. And now people in a sense become conditioned, 495 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: like addicted to that rush of those chemicals. And so 496 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: they need the bad job, they need the bad relationship, 497 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: they need the poor circumstances in their life because it 498 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: reaffirms that kind of addiction, that kind of conditioning. So then, 499 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: just like breaking any addiction, whether it's chocolate or alcohol 500 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: or cocaine or whatever you're into, the body is going 501 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: to go through cravings. It's gonna crave the substance. So 502 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: when a person is going through the change and they're 503 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: lowering the volume to that emotion, they need to replace 504 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: that emotion with another emotion. The stronger the emotion we 505 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: feel to some problem, some trauma, some past event, the 506 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: more we pay attention to it. But if you keep 507 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: lowering the volume to that emotion, you'll keep taking your 508 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: attention off that person or problem. Now where you place 509 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: your attention is where you place your energy. But makes 510 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: sense then that as you begin to lower the volume, 511 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: you're calling energy back to you, you're taking your power 512 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: back and you're building your own field. Now there's energy 513 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: to heal, Now, there's energy to create the life that 514 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: you want. But with stress, we tap the body's resources 515 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: and there's no energy for long term bill thing projects. 516 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: There's no energy to create with because in survival, it's 517 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: not a time to create. In survival, it's time to run, 518 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: fight or hide. And in your in your work in 519 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: terms of building that when my my therapists, we call 520 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: it trauma resilient. I've done a few of your I 521 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: haven't want of your meditations that I have been doing. 522 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: So it's about focusing that meditation on that future that 523 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: we want and then the trauma just gets turned down. 524 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: Or do we need to do specific work more? My 525 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: therapists they may do specific work E. M, D R 526 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: or something where it's their trauma is reprocessed. What are 527 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: your thoughts on on that? Well, it's so the answer 528 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: is yes to both. So I want people in our work, 529 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: I want people to come up against those emotions and 530 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: I want them to sit in the fire. I don't 531 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: ask them to go to the past event I will 532 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: have them keep working with their body and lowering the 533 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,479 Speaker 1: volume to that that's a victory. You start noticing your 534 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: body getting aroused and starts getting anxious, that starts getting 535 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: in patient. You can't feel like you can't take it anymore. 536 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: Instead of saying I can't meditate or is too much, 537 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: you settle that body back down into the present moment 538 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: and you tell it it's no longer the mind, that 539 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: you're the mind. That's a victory. And the body says, 540 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: I want to get up, I want to quit. This 541 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: is going too long, and you go whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 542 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: We're not going anywhere until I say, and you settle 543 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: the body back into the present moment. Now you're executing 544 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: a will that's greater than the program. That's a victory too. 545 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: And if you keep doing this over and over again, 546 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: sooner or later, the body is going to surrender to 547 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: a new mind. And there's a liberation of energy that 548 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: takes place. All of a sudden, the person is no 549 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: longer entangled to their past. That emotion is causing them 550 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: to dream a whole new future, not like they're trying 551 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: to dream the future. It's just that their their physiology 552 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: has changed enough that now they're in the creative state 553 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: to see a future that they really can embrace emotionally. 554 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: And so when trauma is reset through the amygdala, it's 555 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: not happening in the brain, it's happening from the heart, 556 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,479 Speaker 1: signaling the amigdala and all of a sudden, traumas reset, 557 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the person looks back at 558 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: their past and they don't want to change anything in 559 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: their past because it brought them to that elegant moment 560 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: where they feel a level of love that they haven't 561 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: felt since they were a kid or since they could remember. 562 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: And it's a it's a very familiar, unfamiliar feeling. Wow, Wow, 563 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: that sounds so beautiful. Again. I like to always think 564 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: about like, I think most of us have had those moments, 565 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: right Like, if we think about the resilience that's already 566 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: inside of us, that's what you're talking about, and that 567 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: we've had moments when we've overcome those things where we've 568 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: learned something new, where we sat in discomfort and been 569 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: able to get to the other side. And feels like 570 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: with your processes about honing it and getting really specific 571 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: about what is already possible inside of our bodies and 572 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: making that conscious, making ourselves aware of that, and then 573 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,479 Speaker 1: using what we already have inside of us. Sure, and 574 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, I want to teach people a simple way, 575 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: the practical tools. It's not the good meditations that people 576 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: remember when they breakthrough, it's the tough ones. You know, 577 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: that's when you start falling in love with yourself. When 578 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: you stretch yourself outside of the known and you're not 579 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: injured and you're not damaged, you're not traumatized the unknown, 580 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the space of the unknown begins 581 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: to broaden, and you're more comfortable and more relaxed in 582 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: the present moment. That is so essential in terms of 583 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: transformation that we see with people, because people think they 584 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: come to our work for wealth or health or mystical experience, 585 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: But everybody's coming for wholeness. That's where the real reason 586 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: they're coming. When they start having that kind of wholeness 587 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: take place in their nervous system, and you see a 588 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: reintegration in the autonomic nervous system and the whole biology 589 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: biology changes. Now they no longer want anything, because how 590 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,959 Speaker 1: could you want when you feel whole. And it's the 591 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: tough moments where you don't want to self regulate. It's 592 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: the tough moments where you're in such panic and fear 593 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: where you don't you think you can't control it. Those 594 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: are the moments where if you really go at it 595 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: and you really work on it, now you're you're really 596 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: employing the biggest challenge of all. And if you can 597 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: overcome that, then the rest is easy. And so if 598 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: they practice the tools, sooner or later, they're going to 599 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: break through. And and and when they do and they 600 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: realize that joy or that love or that gratitude, it's 601 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: not coming from anywhere out there, it's coming from within them, 602 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: they'll stop looking for it out there and they'll start 603 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: looking for it more within them. And the cool part 604 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: about this is that nobody is so special to be 605 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: excluded from the process. I you can't tell me you're 606 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: too sick to do this work anymore. I've seen people 607 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: really sick turn it around. You can't tell me you're 608 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: too old. We have elders that man. They know how 609 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: to change their brain waves and they know how to 610 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: move into elegant states. You can't tell me you never 611 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,239 Speaker 1: meditated before. And I tell you, the people who never 612 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: meditated before I have the best brain scans that I've seen. 613 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: I think that the big piece for me is they 614 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: listen to all that is that it's not none that 615 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: this is possible with the hormones of strat that streads 616 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: response has to be lowered to that we can actually 617 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: get in the present and get out of survival to 618 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: actually be able to do the work. And so that 619 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: for those folks out there struggling, that is a key 620 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: component we have to wrap dcor. This has been so 621 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: incredible and I'd like to end every podcast with a 622 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: question that comes from my somatic therapy, from the community 623 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: resiliency model. It's really um. The question is what else 624 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: is true that even if there's something challenging in our lives, 625 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: something that is pulling us down, there's something else that 626 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: might be true in our lives that can get us through, 627 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: that can be a resource, that can be a place 628 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: of resiliing in So for you today, Dr Joe, dispense 629 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: out what else it's true? For you, Well, I'm a 630 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: practical person and I think that we just took a 631 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: moment at the end of the day ask ourselves Where 632 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: did I fall from grace? When did I lose? How 633 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: could I respond better in the different situations? I think 634 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: just that simple process of self discovery every single day. 635 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: I think we make great strides, and there could be 636 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: so much unity in this planet that we live in. 637 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: And survival and stress creates division and contrasts and polarity 638 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: and and wholeness and elevated emotions. Somehow caused the species 639 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: of human beings to kind of sea beauty and everything 640 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: and on. And that's my hope, you know, for all 641 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: the work that we're doing. O. That's incredible. That reminds 642 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: me of what Oprah says about Gary Zookov See to 643 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: the Soul. The way he defines authentic power, she says, 644 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: is authentic power is when our personality comes to serve 645 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: the energy of our soul. Yeah. Yeah, I believe that firmly. Amazing, amazing, 646 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,479 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Dr Joe to spends it. Where 647 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 1: can folks find you? Are you on the internet? I 648 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,479 Speaker 1: know you have a new course the formula? What else 649 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: do you? Um? We can folks bother you? Sure? I 650 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: mean our our website is just Dr Joe this under 651 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: dot com and and so the formula we just released 652 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: because some people say, how do I introduce my boss 653 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: to this or my partner and and they're not ready 654 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: for you know, an intensive, our progressive workshop and the 655 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 1: formulas just you know, twelve simple thirty to forty minute 656 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: talks and five meditations that go with it to really 657 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: practice the formula of brain and heart coherence. And the 658 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: real magic happens really at our week long events and 659 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: you get together with a community of people that are 660 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: really craving the unknown and really craving change. So so 661 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: check out the website. I mean, there's lots of different 662 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: things that we have, all kinds of meditations. But if 663 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: you can start practicing and be the scientists in your 664 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: life and see if you change your energy, if your 665 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: life changes that that would be a great start and practice, 666 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,439 Speaker 1: you know, practice, trying it out, practice makes perfect. I'm 667 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: so grateful we were able to find the time to 668 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,919 Speaker 1: do this today. Thank you Dr Joe to spend out. 669 00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: Thank you Dr Joe Dispenser. Dr Joe gave us so 670 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: much to think about and so much to work on. 671 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: I'm kind of at a loss for words really because 672 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: I feel at this point in my life it's about 673 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: the doing it's about committing to changing my life a 674 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: day at a time. And I've certainly done this before. 675 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: I've changed a lot about my life, so I know 676 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: it's possible, right, And that is a beautiful thing that like, 677 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: when he talks about these concepts, that sounds sort of 678 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 1: out there maybe to some people, even though the theory 679 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: is based in science. It's like, how can I do that? Well, 680 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: I know that I've already been in the space of 681 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: practice and rehearsing the life that I want. I used 682 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: to stand in the mirror as a kid and rehearse 683 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 1: awards acceptance speeches, and I would like rehearse lines from commercials, 684 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: and like, my whole childhood was like fantasizing about living 685 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: the life I'm actually living right now. And it took 686 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 1: a while, but it happened. And so that deeply resonates 687 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: with me when he talks about that. What Dr Joe 688 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,879 Speaker 1: despends it seems to be offering us is a way 689 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: to practice and cultivate being the person that I would say, 690 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: the person that God intended us to be, the person 691 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: that is the very best version of ourselves. So for me, 692 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: I think it's just about getting to work. I'm going 693 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: to get to work on it and I'll let you 694 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: know how it goes. Thank you so much for listening 695 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 1: to The Liver and coluc Show. Please rate, review, subscribe, 696 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: and share with everyone you know. Join me in September 697 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: for another round up and credible guest like actress, singer 698 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: and playwright Billy Porter, my therapist Jennifer Burton Flyer. She 699 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: makes an encore appearance because we got more to talk about, 700 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,280 Speaker 1: and you'll get to meet the cops, the Council of Transistors, 701 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: my very best girlfriends. 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