Speaker 1: Warning, today's episode contains spoilers for Bong June Ho's latest film,
Speaker 1: Mickey seventeen in theaters now. Hello, my name is Jason
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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are talking Bong June hose Mickey seventeen,
Speaker 2: which was released over the weekend. You're gonna get our reactions,
Speaker 2: a little recap, and then after our review, Karen Hahn,
Speaker 2: the author of Boon June Hoe, Dissident Cinema and General
Speaker 2: Film Legend, joins us to discuss the director's career and
Speaker 2: how his latest project shapes his legacy.
Speaker 1: But first let's talk about Mickey seventeen. Okay, Mickey seventeen.
Speaker 1: Here's the quick recap, and then we can give our reactions.
Speaker 1: Mickey barnes a naive kind of go along to get along.
Speaker 1: Poor kid from Earth and his much more confident, much
Speaker 1: more aggressive friend Berto fall under the thumb of the
Speaker 1: world's scariest loan shark. In order to escape him, they
Speaker 1: decide to sign up with a fateful mission to another world.
Speaker 1: This colony mission essentially is being run by former Congressman
Speaker 1: Ken Marshall, and they are going to the faraway ice
Speaker 1: world of Nifflheim. Mickey joins up as an expendable, which
Speaker 1: is basically a member of the crew whose job it
Speaker 1: is to die all the time by being given the
Speaker 1: most hazardous jobs, like being exposed to radiation or breathing
Speaker 1: the air on the planet before anybody else to discover
Speaker 1: there's any pathogens in it, and when he inevitably dies,
Speaker 1: his consciousness is then loaded into a fresh three D
Speaker 1: printed body and he's ready to go and die again.
Speaker 1: When we meet him, he's on the seventeenth version of
Speaker 1: himself and he's fallen into a gravass left by his
Speaker 1: supposed friend Burto it turns out is a huge dick
Speaker 1: and like he's used to dying, so it's not gonna
Speaker 1: be a big deal. Right to Mickey, it's a big
Speaker 1: deal every single time. But the huge hairy pillbug like
Speaker 1: inhabitants of the planet that seem ready to eat him
Speaker 1: instead rescue him, depositing him on the surface of the planet,
Speaker 1: and when Mickey returns to the ship, he discovers they've
Speaker 1: already printed out at eighteen. Now, this is a big
Speaker 1: no no and is strictly outlawed on Earth. In fact,
Speaker 1: all three D human printing is outlawed on Earth, but
Speaker 1: it's okay in Spain under the laws of the mission.
Speaker 1: In the event of multiple what they call multiples, which
Speaker 1: is the thing that's happening now there are two versions
Speaker 1: of the same person that are running around. All versions
Speaker 1: are to be destroyed, including the memory uploads, so just
Speaker 1: erase everything. Eighteen is the much more prone to violence,
Speaker 1: much more aggressive, kind of like the angry side of Mickey. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Ken Marshall and his wife Gwen are absolutely deranged ideologues
Speaker 1: whose plan is to create a pure white colony basically anytime,
Speaker 1: and they're not shying away. They're not shying away from it,
Speaker 1: and they don't really lay out the details, but it
Speaker 1: does certainly seem like this will involve a harem around
Speaker 1: mister Marshall. Marshall has a baby pillbug on the ship
Speaker 1: that he's running experiments on. Gwen wants to make sauces
Speaker 1: out of their tails, and true, that's the actual detail
Speaker 1: in the movie, and meanwhile on the planet, the rest
Speaker 1: of the herd are extremely distressed at the capture of
Speaker 1: one of their own, and they begin to surround the ship.
Speaker 1: Marshall puts Mickey seventeen and eighteen and explosive vests and
Speaker 1: tells them go out there amongst the herds and see
Speaker 1: how many tales you can cut off for Gwen's sauces,
Speaker 1: and the winner will not be blown up. Instead, seventeen
Speaker 1: and eighteen talk to the herd mother, who tells them
Speaker 1: that unless they return the baby and kill one of
Speaker 1: their own human crew members as recompense for one of
Speaker 1: the dead pill babies that the humans killed, she and
Speaker 1: the herd will blow up everyone's brains and eyes by
Speaker 1: screaming really, really loud, which is a thing that they
Speaker 1: seem like they are capable of doing. In the end,
Speaker 1: the baby is saved, Marshall is blown up by eighteen
Speaker 1: with his explosive suicide vest. Essentially, Gwen kills herself out
Speaker 1: of sorrow and despair at losing control of the mission.
Speaker 1: Three D printing on the colony is outlawed, and the
Speaker 1: colony lives in peace with the bugs. Yes end of movie.
Speaker 2: End of movie. I will say I love this movie.
Speaker 2: I thought it was so fun. I thought it was
Speaker 2: classic weird bong, which I love. If you like Okja,
Speaker 2: you like snow Piercer, this is definitely in that vein.
Speaker 2: It still has a lot of the political kind of
Speaker 2: residence of a lot of his movies. The commentary here
Speaker 2: is directly on the nose, and there are some moments
Speaker 2: that me and Jason were like, I mean, did they
Speaker 2: go back and add this in because it's so specific
Speaker 2: to what has occurred. I loved Rob's I love Robert
Speaker 2: Pattinson's performance in this movie.
Speaker 1: This is a really it's two performances, yeah, one, and
Speaker 1: he's just wonderful. I was saying to you, Rosie at
Speaker 1: the screening, like, at some point, need to do maybe
Speaker 1: an episode just on his choices, because this guy has
Speaker 1: made since Twilight, has clearly decided to issue like popular
Speaker 1: stardom and just do like the weirdest, most interesting roles
Speaker 1: he can come up. But then this is one of them.
Speaker 2: This is definitely one of them. I thought the way
Speaker 2: that Mickey seventeen and eighteen are differentiated and the way
Speaker 2: that Rob plays eighteen was so different from anything that
Speaker 2: we've seen. I also am a big Naomi Akistan, so
Speaker 2: I have been ever since Lady Macbeth. I think she's
Speaker 2: fantastic and I thought she killed it here as Nasha,
Speaker 2: who's kind of the girlfriend slash real hero. She's very
Speaker 2: much in that kind of Ripley esque vein. She's an
Speaker 2: elite agent who falls in love with Mickey, and there's
Speaker 2: a lot of really hilarious kind of I guess, like
Speaker 2: crude humor about their relationship, and there's a great moment.
Speaker 2: I love the moment where she realizes there are two
Speaker 2: Mickeys and she's like, hey, can we have a three
Speaker 2: for everybody? Which I thought was so fun. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: just I really enjoyed this movie, and I'm I'm really
Speaker 2: excited for other people to see it because I do
Speaker 2: think it's very different from Parasite, but there is so
Speaker 2: much to love and this is like any It's it's
Speaker 2: not in the same vein, but you know what, Parasite
Speaker 2: has a real dark humor to it, and I think
Speaker 2: that is still here. Also, sometimes when times are rough,
Speaker 2: you don't need something subtle. You need something that's like
Speaker 2: hitting people over the head with a shovel. And also
Speaker 2: gotta shout out here Tony Collette is so funny as
Speaker 2: the wife of the even funnier Mark Ruffalo who plays
Speaker 2: Ken Marshall. And I also love how much of Bong's
Speaker 2: veganism is like such a massive part of this movie.
Speaker 2: Same with Okja, but like in this movie, like I
Speaker 2: was really getting grossed out and kind of interested in
Speaker 2: the obsession that the Tony Collett character has with her sources.
Speaker 2: It's really it's like you've got to get the right
Speaker 2: amount of ballarred in this source. And I was thinking, like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is probably how Bong just sees like every single
Speaker 2: me who talks about this stuff.
Speaker 1: There's so many there's so many classic Bonk themes that
Speaker 1: you know, there's no Bonng movie that does not deal
Speaker 1: in some way with like the rapaciousness of capitalism, claw
Speaker 1: and control class hierarchical systems in general. This one certainly
Speaker 1: doesn't colonial things, certainly that those are dealt with here,
Speaker 1: but in a much more like et like.
Speaker 2: Way with definitely gone weird Amblin vibes. Even though yeah, grotesque.
Speaker 1: I will say that to your point of this being
Speaker 1: like very on the nose, to those who will see
Speaker 1: this movie, you will you will recognize the Ken Marshall ruined,
Speaker 1: you know, but somehow still successful businessmen, dirty politician, no
Speaker 1: longer in politics, but still you know, like lusting for
Speaker 1: power who every night has his own television show that
Speaker 1: hears live on the ship. You will recognize this person.
Speaker 1: I will say that, like, this is the most part
Speaker 1: of this movie, and part of the message of this
Speaker 1: movie is very much like, hey, just kill that guy
Speaker 1: killing and then live in peace with the with the
Speaker 1: with the bugs and living together. So there's this is
Speaker 1: a very uh, this is a very cathartic and good
Speaker 1: feeling film and has none of the kind of ending.
Speaker 1: It's almost as if Bong was like, hey, guys, you're
Speaker 1: gonna need a happy ending after right now, and so
Speaker 1: the movie it gives you an unambiguous happy Yeah.
Speaker 2: They begin in a dystopian situation where you know, you're
Speaker 2: talking about the exploitation of labor workers, you're talking about
Speaker 2: the idea of essentially being able to print out people
Speaker 2: specifically to do hard jobs and die. That stuff will
Speaker 2: feels really resonant. But then also because of who Bong is,
Speaker 2: he manages to make it funny and relatable. And then yeah,
Speaker 2: at the end, they end up in a more utopian
Speaker 2: situation where Nasha played by Naomi Aki, it kind of
Speaker 2: retakes control of the council that makes the decisions about colonies.
Speaker 2: She blows up, She gets Mickey to blow up the
Speaker 2: three D printer so that they stop printing humans. And yeah,
Speaker 2: and Bong says, Hey, maybe if that person died, you'd
Speaker 2: just be able to do this. There would be opportunity
Speaker 2: for a black woman to run this beautiful space expedition
Speaker 2: if it wasn't run by like an idiot who doesn't
Speaker 2: know what he's doing. But Mark Ruffalo, you killed it
Speaker 2: in this role, my friend. It's like it's just enough
Speaker 2: scenery chewing and not an impression of who it is
Speaker 2: obviously meant to be about, and is instead kind of
Speaker 2: this It's almost like a mixture of different kinds of
Speaker 2: terrible political figures. And I honestly just loved it. And
Speaker 2: I'm so so excited for our discode to see I'm
Speaker 2: excited for the super producers to see it. Adam so
Speaker 2: excited to talk to Karen about it. Off to this break.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're delighted now to be joined by Karen Hann,
Speaker 1: a screenwriter and cultural critic living in Los Angeles, who
Speaker 1: wrote the book on Bong Juno titled Dissident Cinema. Karen,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me on. I'm so
Speaker 3: excited to be here to chat with you.
Speaker 1: Well, first, let's some your thoughts on Mickey seventeen.
Speaker 3: I really loved it. I don't think that's going to
Speaker 3: be a surprise to anybody who knows me, Like, obviously
Speaker 3: I'm very in the bag for this movie, but I
Speaker 3: thought it was just it's such a big swing, which
Speaker 3: is I think what I love from him, Like he's
Speaker 3: always doing something that you're not necessarily expecting from any
Speaker 3: given movie, and especially in this case, Like I think
Speaker 3: the immediate categorization you'd put this in is like America
Speaker 3: and sci fi blockbuster. But at the same time, there's
Speaker 3: so many things to me that really stand out as
Speaker 3: not necessarily blockbuster e or like even a little Korean
Speaker 3: like in the way that the movie has been made,
Speaker 3: and so it's a really unique piece for me, and
Speaker 3: also like a showcase for some really really incredible performances.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unbelievable performances from Was there anything that really surprised
Speaker 2: you when it came to those performances because it's an
Speaker 2: incredible cast and director Bong is known for getting really
Speaker 2: brilliant performances from actors from around the globe. But the
Speaker 2: you was there one that stood out or felt a
Speaker 2: little bit different?
Speaker 3: I would say, I think there are kind of two
Speaker 3: big performance aspects that stood out to me. I know
Speaker 3: you said, what.
Speaker 2: Please go great, I didn't want to put you on
Speaker 2: the spot. Tell us as many as you like.
Speaker 3: The first one being obviously you have these dual performances,
Speaker 3: or at least dual performances from Robert Pattinson. And it's
Speaker 3: not just the fact of him being such a brilliant
Speaker 3: actor that he can make these two Mickeys so distinct
Speaker 3: even when he's like on the same screen, but also
Speaker 3: the way that that character is written, where like the scenes,
Speaker 3: the multiple scenes where Micky eighteene's like this situation is
Speaker 3: so nuts, what did you do? And Mickey Seventeen's like,
Speaker 3: I didn't do anything, and Micky eighteen getting mad at him,
Speaker 3: Like I think so many of us have kind of
Speaker 3: had that kind of response to our within ourselves, which
Speaker 3: is one of the beautiful things about The Mickeys, which
Speaker 3: is it ultimately is one person it's just these different
Speaker 3: facets that are being brought out by the different copies,
Speaker 3: and like everyone has had that moment where you're out
Speaker 3: and something sort of upsetting happens to you, but you
Speaker 3: don't do anything in the moment, and then later you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: like I should have said this or I should have
Speaker 3: done that. But then another standout for me in particular
Speaker 3: was Mark Ruffalo's performance as Kenneth Marshall. I think in
Speaker 3: talking to other friends who've seen this movie, the comparison,
Speaker 3: the immediate comparison point is like what Jake John Hall
Speaker 3: was doing in Oakja, which was I think very polarizing.
Speaker 3: Some people really liked it, some people really did not
Speaker 3: like it. I am pro Jake Jolen Hall and Oacha,
Speaker 3: and I'm also very pro Mark Ruffle in this, and
Speaker 3: I think in particular in this in orc Ja, Jake
Speaker 3: Joleen Hall has given the opportunity to go through kind
Speaker 3: of a bigger gamut of emotions than you necessarily think
Speaker 3: when you see that character in public, and the same
Speaker 3: kind of goes for me for Kenneth Marshall, like not
Speaker 3: to I guess we'll get into spoilers eventually, but at
Speaker 3: the end of the film when he has that really
Speaker 3: short bargaining moment with Mickey eighteen and he sort of
Speaker 3: says like, we're both scared. Like that's such a small
Speaker 3: and really intense moment that you don't think will come
Speaker 3: to it from a character that's so overboard.
Speaker 1: Now, having seen Mickey, I wonder again, having written the
Speaker 1: book on Vong, what do you see in it that
Speaker 1: ties it to the rest of Bong's work? How do
Speaker 1: you classify his work? What do you see as the
Speaker 1: themes that this director is fascinated with.
Speaker 3: I think the really easy one to call out is
Speaker 3: like themes of socioeconomic disparity and like kind of class warfare,
Speaker 3: which is very, very prevalent in Mickey, where like he
Speaker 3: goes on this expedition because he has no other option.
Speaker 3: He'll literally be killed if he stays on earth because
Speaker 3: he can't pay back this loan. And then the life
Speaker 3: that he ends up living is one that everyone kind
Speaker 3: of looks down on and thinks is horrible because it
Speaker 3: is he has to die over and over again, but
Speaker 3: that's the only option that's available to him within the
Speaker 3: system that he's in. And obviously I think like looking
Speaker 3: at Parasite which probably is his most seen film at
Speaker 3: this point, Like, that's all that movie's about. It's about
Speaker 3: the way that we move within the class structures that
Speaker 3: have been set for us and how we deal with it.
Speaker 3: And it fits into that pretty neatly, as well as
Speaker 3: fitting into his pensiant for really bouncing around in tone
Speaker 3: and genre, like there's not really one word that you
Speaker 3: can use to some up Mickey seventeen or any of
Speaker 3: his movies really, And then I think the other big
Speaker 3: thing is it sort of if anything, it's it's almost
Speaker 3: closest to snow Piercer in a way, like not just
Speaker 3: because that's another English language film of his, but because
Speaker 3: that's I think the only other one of his films
Speaker 3: where the end result is, oh, we had to completely
Speaker 3: dismantle the structure that we were living in in order
Speaker 3: to make it better or more livable, whereas the others,
Speaker 3: I think because they are taking place in a more
Speaker 3: quote unquote like realistic setting, like Parasite is in our
Speaker 3: contemporary society, arguably in which case, like those characters cannot
Speaker 3: meaningfully affect change in the way that they might want to.
Speaker 2: What was your entry point into his films? What was
Speaker 2: your first memory of watching a film by direct Bong
Speaker 2: and being like, Oh, this is someone whose work is
Speaker 2: really speaking to me.
Speaker 3: The first thing that I saw was The Host on
Speaker 3: home video, I think like maybe a year or so,
Speaker 3: like after it had come out in theaters, and I
Speaker 3: remember being so shocked and kind of so traumatized in
Speaker 3: the food that I saw it, because It's so unlike
Speaker 3: any other monster movie that I'd seen, and also especially
Speaker 3: like the death of the Grandpa in that movie was
Speaker 3: so so striking to me in the way that it
Speaker 3: was executed and shot. What about both of you?
Speaker 2: Who? Oh god? I think I think for me, I
Speaker 2: think I did see The Host first, and I really
Speaker 2: liked it. But I remember the first time I watched
Speaker 2: Memories of Murder Yeah, and just feeling like, oh wow,
Speaker 2: like that's the kind of movie that made me feel
Speaker 2: like electrified, you know. I immediately wanted to watch more
Speaker 2: of his movies and just discover Also when I was
Speaker 2: growing up, Mother was like such a cult kind of
Speaker 2: everyone was like you've got to watch this, yeah, like
Speaker 2: you won't believe this movie. And then from then on,
Speaker 2: I mean, hilariously, I think now it's hard to pick
Speaker 2: a favorite, but I do just love Oakja so much.
Speaker 2: For me, I think, like Mickey seventeen feels so akin
Speaker 2: to Oakture that it's been really really great for me
Speaker 2: for my friends to be texting me going, oh wow,
Speaker 2: this is like so different from Parasite. What should I
Speaker 2: watch next? And I'm like, go watch Joke Snoopy obviously,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I think for me it was that kind
Speaker 2: of double bill of the Host and then Memories of
Speaker 2: Murder and being like, oh wow, this is so eclectic,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know any other director who the first
Speaker 2: two movies I've watched are so different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was The Host for me. It was the
Speaker 1: first one that I saw, although I'll admit that I
Speaker 1: was not. I thought it was a great movie and
Speaker 1: very fun. I didn't think that did he had the
Speaker 1: depth that would come to the four through. I mean really,
Speaker 1: oak Joe was where I was like, oh, there's something
Speaker 1: more here. Snow Puercer I enjoyed also, and then Parasite.
Speaker 1: I saw his films in those in that order. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Parasite was really the movie where I understood that he
Speaker 1: had some very trenched things to say about the world
Speaker 1: that we live in, and he was saying them through
Speaker 1: these sometimes seemingly unrelated genre films in a really interesting way.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the host the host because it was like, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: monster movie, let's go see this fun monster movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That was also, I guess, like the first movie
Speaker 3: that kind of made it overseas.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, I think that that's a really great kind
Speaker 2: of unifying thing between the three of us because it
Speaker 2: says a lot about Bong's work where it's like they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's a monster movie. You can release this around the world,
Speaker 2: but then people stop rewatching it and they're like, wait
Speaker 2: a minute, this is actually like incredibly deep. But yeah,
Speaker 2: themes of family and how hard it is to be
Speaker 2: a parent and how hard it is to be a kid,
Speaker 2: and kind of the ways that people react to disasters.
Speaker 2: And I think it's kind of funny because I remember
Speaker 2: when Parasite was kind of before we'd seen it and
Speaker 2: the general public had seen it, and the kind of
Speaker 2: buzz coming from people who weren't you. Karen, who understood
Speaker 2: his work was like, Oh, it's a horror movie. Bong
Speaker 2: Juno's doing a horror movie. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that will be interesting. And then I was at the
Speaker 2: Beyond Fest screening which turned out to be like the
Speaker 2: kind of North American premiere ish that you were at,
Speaker 2: and I remember all me and my friends watched it
Speaker 2: and we were like, oh, it's not a horror movie.
Speaker 2: Like so it's kind of those interesting people don't really
Speaker 2: they still don't know where to place them, And I
Speaker 2: think that's really interesting. What was it like for you
Speaker 2: as somebody who had seen Parasite and then I remember,
Speaker 2: you know, Bonghive really rising up after Can and everything.
Speaker 2: What was it like to be a part of the
Speaker 2: journey that that movie took kind of globally.
Speaker 3: It was really shocking and even today my instinct, I
Speaker 3: feel like, is to downplay it where I'm like, there's
Speaker 3: just no way that. Like, of course, social media worth
Speaker 3: of word of mouth is a big part of getting
Speaker 3: to get people to go see movies to a certain degree,
Speaker 3: but ultimately it's still not I don't know, it's just
Speaker 3: as much a part of the apparatus as like marketing
Speaker 3: or things like that, which I think, like the Neon
Speaker 3: team did such a good job with Parasite and also
Speaker 3: knowing that that was a movie that they could and
Speaker 3: should push right, which I think is it's not easy.
Speaker 3: Like again, when I was watching the Oscars and Parasite
Speaker 3: won Best Director and Best Form Film, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: it's not going to get Best Picture because that's just
Speaker 3: so not the traditional narrative for a film that's not
Speaker 3: in English for a foreign language feature, and which made
Speaker 3: it seem just like all the more like a miracle
Speaker 3: when it did win Best Picture.
Speaker 1: Researching your book, what did you learn about Bong's process
Speaker 1: to help us understand how he puts these, how he
Speaker 1: decides what project to do next, how he spins up production,
Speaker 1: the writing process, etc.
Speaker 3: I guess, obviously not to speak for him, but in
Speaker 3: the different stories that I found about where various films
Speaker 3: came from, it seems kind of like everything comes from
Speaker 3: a very pure storytelling level, like there has to be
Speaker 3: some really brilliant seed to germinate these amazing ideas. Like Mother,
Speaker 3: for instance, that came about because of Kim Hitcha, the
Speaker 3: main actress in it. He knew of her because everyone
Speaker 3: in Seth, Korea did at that time. Everyone knew of
Speaker 3: her and had this image of her as like the
Speaker 3: ideal Korean mother, like this very warm maternal image, and
Speaker 3: he was like, well, what can I do exactly? And
Speaker 3: in that case, it's like that movie was for her.
Speaker 3: If she'd said no, He said that he wouldn't have
Speaker 3: gone forward with the film. That was kind of it.
Speaker 3: Whereas stuff like Barking Dogs and Every Bite his first film,
Speaker 3: he was just like, this was just born out of
Speaker 3: like stuff that kind of had happened around me, my
Speaker 3: personal experiences, as much as Parasite was because he's talked
Speaker 3: about being a tutor for a rich family and how
Speaker 3: strange that experience was. And in Barking Dogs, Never Bite
Speaker 3: like that, I think he said it was filmed like
Speaker 3: in his brother's apartment complex or something like that, Like
Speaker 3: it was based on experiences that occurred around him. Whereas
Speaker 3: then you have SNOWPERI, certain Miki seventeen, which are based
Speaker 3: on pre existing materials, but like in both in the
Speaker 3: adaptation process, have been spun into kind of very different things.
Speaker 2: Do you have obviously, is there one movie by director
Speaker 2: Bong right now that feels like the closest to your
Speaker 2: heart or that is your kind of favorite, because I
Speaker 2: know that stuff shifts and changes, but coming out of
Speaker 2: the book and in this new era where he has
Speaker 2: a new, you know, wide release film, is there one
Speaker 2: that particularly stands out to you as your favor.
Speaker 3: I feel like the answer always sort of shifts, like
Speaker 3: and ebbs and flows, But the host is someone that
Speaker 3: I keep coming back to because it was the first
Speaker 3: one and for me, is so emblematic of the things
Speaker 3: that he can do as a filmmaker. But as I've
Speaker 3: as the years of past, I think about Mother more
Speaker 3: and more. I think like, because I feel like it's
Speaker 3: sort of maybe you would agree with this, and one
Speaker 3: of the most underrated of his films, like just it's
Speaker 3: kind of underseen in his overall works, and yet is
Speaker 3: I think one of the biggest impact pieces. Like when
Speaker 3: I watch it, I kind of have to just sit
Speaker 3: for a while and not do anything else or find
Speaker 3: a different way to decompress because it is so intense
Speaker 3: and so striking.
Speaker 1: Well, Ken, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a joy. Feel free to come back anytime.
Speaker 2: Talk about Bongo anything else, please, I would love to.
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