WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema Rewind: Dune (1984), part 2 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.320 Hey, you welcome to Weird House Cinema. Rewind. This is 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:10.720 Rob lam and we're going to air the second of 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:15.600 our two part look at David Lynch's Dune from nineteen 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:18.160 eighty four. This was an episode that published three point 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:23.640 fifteen twenty four. Big Dune fan, Obviously, we love David 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.400 Lynch as well, so let's jump in and discuss the 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.160 second half of this marvelously weird motion picture. 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:40.519 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:45.839 Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema. 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.920 This is Rob Lamb and this is Joe McCormick, and 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:52.920 today we are back with our first ever part two 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.880 of a Weird House Cinema episode. We do not think 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.400 we're going to make this a regular occurrence, but there 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.200 is a reason we had to split last Friday's episode 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.640 in two, and it's that we were talking about the 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:09.080 nineteen eighty four David Lynch adaptation of the novel Dune, 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:12.959 a movie that I don't think it would be possible 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.399 for us to talk about for less than three hours. 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.760 In fact, if we got maximally self indulgent Robert, I 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.640 think we could talk about David Lynch's doing for six hours, 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:25.600 maybe seven. How many movie runtime lengths could we go? 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.240 I mean depends on which which version, which cut you're going, right, 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:32.080 But yeah, we just we had to split this one 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:34.840 into because there's just too much weirdness because it is 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.120 a David Lynch film, and it is based on the 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:40.559 already weird book Dune by Frank Herbert published in nineteen 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.679 sixty five. And then and then we just have such 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.720 a rich cast that we have to at least acknowledge 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.840 these various performers who really give it their all. And then, 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.520 on top of all of this, Dune Part two just 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:57.840 came out in cinemas. It is already a huge hit. 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.680 Everyone's loving this film. Dune is in the air again. 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.320 The spice is in the air again. And so we figured, well, 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.480 if we're gonna cut a weird house cinema episode into 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.720 two like this, this is the movie and this is 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:10.760 the time to do it. 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:15.000 So I actually have rather big news with respect to 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:19.920 Denieville news Dune Part two. We managed to see it 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.200 in theaters. This is actually the first movie that Rachel 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.480 and I have managed to go out to the movie 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:29.239 theater to see since our daughter was born. And oh 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.160 Man it was worth it. We had such a great time. 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.920 We were just like pumping our fists during the worm 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:42.520 riding scenes. It was great And I think I guess 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:44.440 we should say at the beginning of this episode here 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.360 there will be significant spoilers in this episode for the 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.720 plot of Dune both. I guess I'll three the novel, 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:55.480 the Lynch adaptation, and the new adaptation. And I thought 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.040 some of the differences in the choices where it diverged 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:02.799 from the book and from the eighty four movie we're 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.079 quite interesting, and I think, in some ways really smart 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.240 and in other ways really taking on a challenge of 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:15.560 portraying some of the darker and less heroic aspects that 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:19.240 emerge towards the end of the novel. That you are 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.680 definitely part of Herbert's idea of what the story meant, 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.200 but I think are sort of left out of David 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:30.040 Lynch's version, which embraces a more full spirit of adventure. 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:34.720 Yeah yeah, and ultimately lands on a very heroic note. 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:38.080 We see Paul as a savior at the end of 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:41.320 this film, and we'll get into all this, But ven 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:45.480 News film is a different beast. While being very true 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:48.880 to the book, I believe that the spirit of his 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:52.320 portrayal of Paul is very much in keeping with the 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.960 book and certainly in keeping with the trajectory to come. 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:59.000 Yeah, yeah, I think that's absolutely right. I guess we'll 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:02.520 probably talk more about this as we go on, But obviously, 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.840 if you have not heard part one of this Weird 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:08.200 House series, you should go back. Listen to part one 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:12.640 of our talk on Dune from last Friday. First brief recap. 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.440 Let's see, we talked about the novel Dune and Frank Herbert. 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.200 We talked about David Lynch and his sort of film 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:23.039 career and some of the common themes and characteristics of 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:27.160 his filmmaking, some of the story behind the making of 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:32.560 nineteen eighty four's Dune where David Lynch. This movie is 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:36.800 largely regarded as sort of an outlier in David Lynch's filmography, 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:38.960 and he has to some extent disowned it. 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.279 He was very. 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:44.680 Dissatisfied with the final product that was released, and he'd 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:48.320 even said that working on this version of Dune, produced 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.680 by Dino de Laurentis, sort of taught him that he 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.080 would rather not make a movie at all than make 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.880 a movie that he didn't have full creative control over 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.479 and he would go on to make many more in 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:02.760 the wake of this where he did have creative control 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:08.080 and are celebrated by many as a very strange, interesting, 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:09.960 excellent artistic achievements. 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:11.760 Dune was not. 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.120 Beloved by critics at the time it came out. I 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.919 think in the years since critical opinion has softened somewhat. 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:21.120 It kind of has a people look back on it 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.760 now and remember it fondly. But a lot of people 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.160 did not like this movie at all when it came out, 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:28.920 and I think that you can make an argument that 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:33.760 it is in many ways a failure to adapt the 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:38.719 novel appropriately. I think you can argue in ways also 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:42.000 that it is highly artistically compromised. You know, it's not 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.080 what the director wanted it to be. But at the 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.799 same time, I think David Lynch is doing is great. 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.480 I love this movie and I have a great time 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:51.120 watching it. 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.359 Yeah, I think, especially as time has gone by, I 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.920 think more and more people I think people who have 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.599 attempted to adapt it can recognize this and know more 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:02.599 about the history of adaptation regarding this novel. But I 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:04.599 think the more the time, the more time has passed, 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.919 the more a lot of people have realized that this 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:11.560 was still a commendable effort. It's still it's still a 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:15.440 pretty great telling of a Dune story, even if there 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:20.840 are some very important thematic notes and ultimately happenings that 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:25.400 they we'll discuss that I don't love. But still a 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:27.400 lot of it. Is there, a lot of the look 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.719 of Dune. Is there, a lot of the feel of Dune. 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:33.080 Is there, lots of great performances, So you know, it's 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.400 and even throwing on the fact that he had to 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.280 cut it down so much, given all of these limitations, 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.240 the finished product is a lot of fun. It has 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:42.640 a lot of greatness in it. 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:47.279 You know, I noticed something when watching the new movie 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:52.080 Dune Part two that made me think differently on some 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:55.320 stuff I said in part one of the series. So 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.000 last time, we talked about how difficult Duane is to 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:01.080 adapt for multiple reasons. On one hand, it's difficult because 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.200 so much of the story is contextual at stuff about 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.720 the setting rather than action that happens directly within the story. 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:11.200 So it's a lot of world building that's very interesting 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.120 and sort of gives the direct plot meaning. But the 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.120 other half being that a lot of the drama is internal. 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.720 It's like characters internal thoughts and stuff, and we were 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:23.000 joking about how in David Lynch's adaptation, there is often 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.679 like a close up on somebody's face and they're making 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:29.120 a thinking face while you hear their internal monologue, you know, 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.560 say saying ooh, dune iraq, you know, thinking through something. 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.360 And it's often funny in David Lynch's adaptation. But I 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.720 realized the new movie does the same thing, and for 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.160 some reason, it just it just doesn't look as funny. 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.720 I don't know if the actors were instructed to make 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.640 different kinds of faces, but there is zooming on people's 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:48.800 faces and hearing their internal thoughts. 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.280 Yeah. Yeah, So we're going to continue to talk about 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.800 these these differences, some of these choices as we roll 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.400 on through here. Let's see, we got into the plot 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.920 a bit in the last episode, and one key thing 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.560 in case you've forgotten, or if you have, you're gonna 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.240 ignore us and you're just gonna roll into part two 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.320 without listening to part one, is that the one thing 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.520 we're doing different with this differently with this Weird House 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.440 Cinema episode is instead of rolling through the entire cast 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.280 or notable members of the cast before going into the plot, 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.720 we are touching in on cast members as we go, 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.000 and this was in order to try and make the 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.880 split between the two episodes a little less jarny mm hmm. 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.520 So the farthest we got into the plot in part 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:35.520 one was we talked a lot about the opening narration 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.720 from Virginia Madsen where she talks for a long time 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.320 about the Spacing Guild and all that, and then we 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:45.320 talked about the scene where the Spacing Guild arrives on 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.520 the Imperial home planet and a Guild navigator in his 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.840 sort of in his fish tank locomotive comes into the 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.840 Emperor's throne room to consult with the Padisha Emperor Shaddam 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.800 the Fourth played by Jose Ferrer, and they have a 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:04.000 talk about essentially the entire plot that's going to unfold 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.160 in the first half of the movie, the plot against 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:10.400 how Straades and how the Emperor is planning to use 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:14.760 House Harkonen to destroy Duke Letto and his line. 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.600 Yeah, and then we had to cut for time. So 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:21.480 we're jumping back in here with more build up to 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.040 the key plot. We're on a different planet. We're on 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:28.040 a wet planet, so let let's jump right in Okay. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.720 So here we are at the planet Calidan. This is 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:34.439 the home of House Atraades. It is a gray planet 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:38.559 of rain and oceans, totally contrasted with the dryness of dune, 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.520 though often comparisons are made between the waves of the 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.800 sea and the dunes of the desert, and this comes 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:49.320 up in several adaptations of the story as well. But 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.200 here we get more narration. Now, last time we were 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:54.840 joking about the amount of voiceover narration. There is to 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.400 explain what's going on in this movie, and there's there's 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:01.880 even more to come. So Princess Erirol continues on the soundtrack. 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:06.760 She says, the powerful Benni Jeserts Sisterhood for ninety generations 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:11.320 has been manipulating bloodlines to produce the Quisat's Hatarak, a 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:16.520 super being on Caladan. Jessica, a member of the Sisterhood 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:20.160 and the bound concubine of Duke Letto Atredees, had been 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.960 ordered to bear only daughters because of her love for 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:27.280 the Duke. She disobeyed and gave birth to a son, 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:33.000 Paul Paul Atreides. Now, even all that exposition raises some questions, 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:35.720 but like I think it was part of the story 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:38.880 that the Benni jests they have many powers that they 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.800 train for. They have powers of mind, the mind that 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.400 can sort of command matter in various ways, and one 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.720 of them is that say, they can control the sex 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:52.120 of their offspring with their minds psychically and things like that. 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:56.840 But so, yeah, she disobeys the rules of this powerful 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.960 sisterhood and gives birth to paul who is yet you know, 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:04.880 he's going to be some kind of terrible messiah. 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.400 So Paula Trades in this film is played by Kyle 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:11.160 McLachlin born nineteen fifty nine. Kyle would have been in 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:15.160 his early to mid twenties here, I believe, And it's 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.319 awkward and it's difficult casting, but he, you know, awkwardly 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.720 feels a bit too old in the first half of 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:21.480 this movie. 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:26.040 I yeah, so this is not a knock on Kyle 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.680 McLaughlin at all. I love Kyle McLachlin. I love his 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.800 working relationship with David Lynch. He you know, they're perfect 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:36.160 for each other in Twin Peaks and all that. And 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.880 I am always happy when I see Kyle McLachlin in 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:43.480 a movie. He's an actor I love. But for some reason, 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.839 I think I just have to admit he does not 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:50.240 feel right in this role. Something about his approach does 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:55.720 not fit either the great or the terrible purpose of Paul. 0:11:56.600 --> 0:12:01.520 He doesn't seem to embrace the spirit of epess really. Instead, 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.920 he comes off as Kyle MacLaughlin like he's kind of 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:10.240 nerdy and funny and he like giggles a lot. And 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:14.920 there have been various criticisms of Kyle's coy m macglaughlin's performance 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:16.400 in this movie, and I have to just sort of 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.880 agree with them. I want to love Kyle here, but 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.679 something about him is kind of uncomfortable in the role. 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:28.079 He has this overwhelmingly wholesome innocence and doesn't really capture 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:31.280 that boy with dangerous potential feeling. He's more of a 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.240 cosmic Martin Prince in here. 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.920 Yeah, he never feels like a boy. He always feels 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.120 like a young man or you know, a guy in 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.840 his twenties anyway, And I guess the moments where I 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.480 think he is best are the sort of cold moments. 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.840 Sometimes it's even a moment with the internal voice going on. 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:53.679 And in these moments, it's almost like Paul is more 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.400 of a cipher, you know, Paul kind of seen through 0:12:56.440 --> 0:13:01.319 the lens of, say, the protagonist in David Clintenberg Scanners. 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:06.280 You know, someone whose mental reality, whose relationship with his 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.040 own thoughts and the world around him is so different 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:16.000 from ours that he feels a little alien, you know, personality. Yeah, 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.240 so there are moments like that that that worked for me. 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:20.960 And yeah, for the most part, I don't think it's 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.320 a bad performance. You know, We've seen plenty of movies 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:27.000 where the central handsome lead is not a good actor 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.559 and is not good in any of his scenes. So 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:34.040 it's nothing like that. It's a totally different beast. And 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.920 it is very difficult and ultimately not fair to compare 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:41.480 him in his performance to Timothy Chalomey in the New 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:45.679 Dune movies, because in my opinion, Chalomy is just absolutely 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:49.160 perfect because, for one, on one hand, he is able 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:52.640 to capture the youthfulness of Paul. In part one, he 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:56.280 really does look like a kid that is maybe fifteen, 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:58.959 which I believe is his age in the book. And 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.120 yet he is still label and I wasn't I was 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.800 doubtful until I went into part two. He's still able 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:07.920 to deliver that more serious, awaken Paul, that dangerous Paul 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.720 that we get in the second half of of dv's 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:13.520 version of Doom. 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.560 I totally agree. I think Chalomey is great in his 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.400 role in the new movies, and he gets both sides 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.240 of it, just like you say. He's you know, he 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.480 has that youthful spirit of adventure, you're so on his 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.920 side in the first movie, and then that that awakening 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.840 to the terrible purpose, the sort of arc toward tyranny 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.480 and the and the coldness and abuse of power. You 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:40.080 see that come on with with such convincing intensity in 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:44.640 the second film, and he I think he does a really, 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.280 really commendable job. And I just want to say again, 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:51.160 I'm I'm not generally knocking Cole McLaughlin. I love Kyle. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.320 I think he's great. I just think it's like he 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.680 maybe didn't get something about this character. 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.800 Yeah, you know, despite the fact that you know, I remember, 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:02.640 I think I've read in places that he was like 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:04.360 a real student of the book, you know, and like 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.680 came in and was was you know, done his homework, 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.720 and certainly, you know, like you said, he'd go on 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:15.320 to have a very accomplished career. He is a two 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:18.480 time Emmy Award winner for his work on Lynch's Twin Peaks. 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.800 This was his film debut, which he followed up with 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:26.479 with Lynch's doune follow up, The neo noir Blue Velvet. 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.640 And this is not a surprise for anyone, but because 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.240 he's probably seen him in something. He's a terrific comedic 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.240 actor as well. He has great comedic timing. I really 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:39.640 enjoyed on Portlandia for example. Yes, he played the mayor. 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.680 I think, yeah he did. All right, Well, what's what's 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.560 Paul doing. What's Paul up to this early in the film. 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:47.640 Well, we meet him in a room that looks kind 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.560 of like the officer's cabin in a British man O war. 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:54.400 It's this big, like stately wooden room with ornate molding 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:59.000 and flourishes and what basically what we're going to get 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.960 in this scene is yet another sizeable exposition dump, serving 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.600 to fill in more information about the setting, characters, and politics. 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.160 So at the beginning of the scene, Paul is messing 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.400 around with something that looks suspiciously like a computer. I 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.640 don't think they have computers in this world. They should 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.520 have what are the little like magnified scrolls or something. 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:20.480 Yeah, yeah, they better not have computers, Yes, because that's 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:24.120 of course, a whole big deal in the universe that 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:29.560 we have the Butlerrian Jahad that eradicated thinking machines, and 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.960 we have this strong dictate, you know, religious and cultural 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.000 that thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:36.080 of a human mind. 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.479 Right, which is why in this world they have the mentats. 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.640 These are humans who are essentially trained to be computers 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:45.400 while remaining human. Yeah, but whatever this object is, he's 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:50.240 messing with. It's displaying encyclopedic information on screen about different planets. 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:55.840 We see information on Caladan, Benny, Tlilax, and Aracus. We 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.680 learn about the mentats, the human computers with their red 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.160 stained lips. We learn about how the spice milange is 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.160 mined from the surface of Dune. We learn about the 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:10.040 worms of Aracus, which attack all rhythmic vibrations. And we 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.920 learned that the Harkonins are the sworn enemy of Houseitreades 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.560 and their home world gide Prime is close is close 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:18.320 to Oracus. 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:21.800 It is interesting that this film decides to go ahead 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.520 and lay out stuff, you know, information concerning that tay Lasu, 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:27.920 who are not going to be important in this film 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:31.120 at all, Like they were clearly thinking ahead to subsequent films. 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.720 I mean they're part of it, like their work is 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:38.040 present here, but you don't actually need to bring them up. Likewise, 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.400 later we're gonna get a mixtion. And you know, previously 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.760 we had a mention of IX, and IX is not 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.639 really important to this film either. So it seems like 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:47.399 if you wanted to like cut down on the amount 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.040 of information you're hitting the viewer with, these would would 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.000 have been things you could have left on the cutting 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:52.480 room floor. 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.760 Yeah, yeah, interesting choice. We have just folded space from IX. 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:57.600 Yes. 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:04.359 Anyway, So Paul is approached in his state room here 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:09.120 by three characters who are servants of House Aitraades. There 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:13.879 is Thufir hawat the mentat, and his eyebrows would function 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:18.439 as arrowfoils. Essentially, he's got like gigantic wing like eyebrows, 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:20.640 and he seems to be he's wearing like a fur 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:24.040 fringed coat. At the strange choice, but I like it. 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:24.760 Yeah. 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.200 We also meet in the scene Gerney Halleck, the war 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:32.280 master who trains Paul in the Marshall Virtues, and we 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:36.560 meet doctor Wellington Ua, the physician of hous Aitraades. He's 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.280 a called a suk doctor and the Suk school of 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:42.640 medicine is I think like the it's like the main 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.600 sort of way medicine is done in the world of Doune. 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:47.960 All right, let's go ahead and lay out these three 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:51.360 actors then, because they come in like next to each other. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:53.240 It's almost kind of comedic the way they come out. 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:56.480 But you know, and and so first of all, we 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.440 have we have Howitt played by Freddie Jones, who lived 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:03.160 nineteen twenty seven through twenty nineteen, British character actor who 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.520 we talked about in our episode on eighty three's Kroll. 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.479 He had previously been in Lynch's The Elephant Man, and 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:11.800 he has a slew of other credits, including nineteen sixty 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.680 nine's Frankenstein Must Be Destroyed, though that is generally I 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.159 think one that a lot of people choose to skip 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:22.840 in the Hammer of Frankenstein legacy. But in anyway, he's 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:26.040 perfectly fine in this, if a bit doddering for my taste. 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.159 I always picture Howitt as being a little more I 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.040 don't know, he's more aloof here, which is in fitting 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:35.760 with a mentat but I tend to imagine him always 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:37.480 as being a bit more assertive. I mean, he's the 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:40.400 Master of Spies for House of Tredes, like. 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:45.440 Yeah, simultaneously serene but sharp. And I think Stephen McKinley 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.160 Henderson gets that in Doune Part one. 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:52.159 Absolutely yeah, And I do love the eyebrows, like this 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.240 is a film that does commit to helping the viewer 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:59.120 out by having a lot of visual cues regarding factions 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:05.560 how and different types of psychically enhanced people. And so 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.800 the Mintats all have just out of control eyebrows and 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:11.520 I'll allow it. It's gonna neat, okay. 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:14.520 And he's got the red stained lips from the juice 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:15.639 that the mintat straight. 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:17.920 Yes, yes, more on that in a minute. 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.199 But okay, So that's the fear how the mintat. But 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:24.160 we also have Gurnie Halleck and doctor Ua. 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.679 Yeah Hallick is of course. Gurney here is played by 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:31.240 Patrick Stewart born in nineteen forty, So you know who 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.840 Patrick Stewart is. We're talking about Captain Jeohn Luke McCard. 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:38.040 We're talking about Charles Xavier. His pre track films also 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:41.480 include nineteen eighty five's Life Force. He was born in 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.639 nineteen forty. We talked about him briefly in our episode 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.600 on Nyazaki's Nausicaa because he did one of the voices, 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:49.480 so one of the key voices for that and did 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:53.240 an excellent job. But yeah, he is our troubadour warrior 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:54.600 and Lynch's doom. 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.320 There's something about the way this character is realized in 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:00.960 the movie that makes him less exciting than he could 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:03.280 have been. Patrick Stewart in the role of Gurney Halleck, 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:06.320 sign me up. That sounds amazing. A lot of his 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:09.120 scenes are kind of underwhelming, and it feels like it's 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:12.640 not necessarily Patrick Stewart's fault. It's something about the way 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:15.879 it's that they're written and edited together. Like he's very 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:20.120 abrupt when he starts that we're about to get into 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:23.680 this like sparring fight training scene. It's just like very abrupt, 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.240 and he has not given a lot of room to 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:28.199 express the character, it seems to me. 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:33.200 Yeah, yeah, Well, Meanwhile, in the recent Dune films, Josh 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:36.920 Brolin had really had had more of an opportunity, I think, 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:41.680 to inhabit this role and ultimately is just tremendous in it. 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:46.160 So Josh Brolin easily my favorite Gurney that we've seen 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:46.879 on film. 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.520 However, Patrick Stewart does serve as the human vehicle for 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:53.840 my favorite character in this whole movie, which is Pug Atraodes. 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:55.280 We'll get to that a little bit. 0:21:55.680 --> 0:22:00.000 Yeah, anytime he's on camera bravely defending the a treedee 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:03.920 strategic stockpile of pugs, he's a joy, all right. And 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:06.639 then we have Yeah, we have Doctor Wellington Ua played 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.880 by Dean Stockwell nineteen thirty six through twenty twenty one, 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:12.639 a wonderful American actor that we discussed in depth for 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:16.320 our episode on The Dunwich Horror in which he starred 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:21.200 as the warlock Wilburt Wetley. Definitely go back and listen 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:22.800 to that episode if you want to hear us talk 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.240 more about Dean Stockwell. But I think he does a 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:28.280 fine job here. It makes for a very sympathetic Ua. 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.920 Chang Chin is also great in the twenty twenty one adaptation. 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:33.200 I agree. 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:36.159 I feel like Doctor Yue is one of those characters 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:39.280 that is hard to realize on screen because so much 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:43.439 of his drama is internal. Like we were talking about that, 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:47.159 you know, like he has sort of the reader in 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:50.600 the book is given access to some of his internal 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:54.320 thoughts that give a lot of meaning to his activity, 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:56.560 to his his sort of tragic character arc. 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:59.720 Yeah. Yeah, but if you're going into it cold, you 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:03.440 really only you're still only encountering him for a short 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:06.160 amount of time. So there's a lot of emotion and 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:09.240 turmoil to pack into that performance in a very short time. 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:11.800 I think both of these two gentlemen do a great 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:14.920 job with it in their own way. And clearly this 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:17.400 is something we'll touch on later, but clearly they shot 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:21.199 more scenes with Dean stockwell, because at times they'll just 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:24.199 like they'll like zoom zoo, they'll like fade into a 0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:27.320 scene where he's having like a really emotional moment about 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:29.840 what he's about to do, and then we we fade 0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:32.000 back out of that. Like, clearly this was a longer 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:34.200 scene that was going to be in the the intended 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:34.920 longer cut. 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:39.120 Yeah, yeah, And I can imagine that being a particular 0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:41.520 sore spot if like the producers were saying, we got 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:44.160 to cut all this doctor Ue stuff from the from 0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:46.720 the first third of the movie. Anyway, So these three 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:49.680 men have all sort of been involved in training Paul 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:51.600 to become a superhuman of sorts. 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:52.280 Uh. 0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:55.680 He For example, when they walk into the room, he 0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:59.040 he grins, very pleased with himself and claims that he 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:02.520 could tell who was approaching him from behind without looking. 0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:06.040 You know, he seems almost giddy with how powerful his 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:11.720 ears are, and Gurney engages. Gurney comes up and he's like, Okay, 0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:13.800 time to knife fight Paul. So they're gonna have a 0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:17.399 knife sparring match. Paul is trained to fight with the 0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:22.040 blade using energy shields, and at first Paul says, you know, 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:25.040 we already did our knife training this morning. I'm not 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:27.960 in the mood for more, and Garnie Hallick says, moods 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:33.359 a thing for cattle and love play, not fighting. So 0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:36.040 that's a pretty good moment for Patrick Stewart. But anyway, 0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:39.720 so they go into this fight, and the way the 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:45.240 energy shields are represented in this movie kind of makes 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:47.920 it so you can't really see the actors anymore. They're 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:51.920 represented as these animated prisms that extend over the body 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:55.119 from a device on the belt, and they make the 0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:58.960 characters look like sort of blocky early CGI characters like 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:00.440 in the Money for Nothing video. 0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:04.440 Yeah, this this was disappointing for me rewatching the movie, 0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:07.840 because these effects were much better in my memory. I 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:12.320 like the concept of the shield technology being you know, 0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:14.800 kind of blocky. I like the idea of it being 0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.480 this kind of like brownish color. The color schemes good 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:22.400 and interestingly enough, I'd recently watched an extra about the 0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:25.760 the excellent Loki series mini series that came out way 0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:27.560 I guess it's more than many series went two seasons, 0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:30.840 but they were inspired by these effects to create their 0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:35.479 portal doors, which are important to the plot of Loki. 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:38.560 So clearly it resonated with other people. But yeah, rewatching it. 0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:41.359 They just end up hiding almost all of the action. 0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:44.480 The new films do a much better job, not only 0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:48.000 just effects wise, but also creating a complex shield tech 0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:51.720 on the screen that makes instant visual sense because there 0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:53.160 are a lot of ins and outs to the way 0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:56.920 they work, and it's pivotal for understanding various things about 0:25:57.000 --> 0:25:58.360 combat and the done universe. 0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.040 Yeah, it's a difficult thing to rep resent, but they 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:02.639 do a good job in the new movie. So the 0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:08.080 idea is that these personal energy shields deflect fast moving 0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:10.680 incoming objects. So if you try to stab somebody or 0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:14.119 shoot them, the shield will deflect that. So the way 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:16.840 to harm someone with wearing one of these shields is 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:20.080 quote the slow blade. You have to slowly move the 0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:24.480 knife through the shield. So it's counterintuitive to normal you know, 0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:27.840 fighting instincts. And the way it's represented in the new 0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:31.040 movies is that something that comes in fast and is 0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:34.560 deflected by the shield, the shield glows blue, but when 0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:37.479 something slowly is able to move through the shield, it 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:38.200 turns red. 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:41.320 Yeah, which is a great visual system for the viewer, 0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:44.119 you know, let us understand what's happening on the screen 0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:47.240 in the same way that mentats have giant eyebrows in 0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:47.720 this movie. 0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:59.600 Right, So, after the fight, Paul and doctor Ua trade 0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:04.200 information about Iracus. Paul is extremely interested in the worms, 0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:07.480 and we also learned about the people called the Freemen 0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:11.160 who live on Dune and have extreme blue eyes from 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:14.720 their use of the spice millange. Also in this scene, 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:19.159 Paul reveals that he suspects the Emperor is supporting the 0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:23.560 Harconins against them, again revealing a lot right at the beginning. 0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:26.240 So not only does the Emperor explain his whole plot 0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:29.080 at the beginning of this movie, Paul says like I've 0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:31.440 just figured it out. I know it before it happens. 0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:34.960 So the attreinees like no, Aracus is a trap, but 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:36.040 they're going to go anyway. 0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:40.040 Yep. And you know that alone, that statement alone is 0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:42.879 perhaps not completely out of keeping, Like there are people 0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:46.879 in house Atredes that realize that this is this is 0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:50.159 a trap. But key is that they think it is 0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:54.000 a trap that they can turn to their advantage. Right. 0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:58.480 Oh, and then we get even more fight training this one. 0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:01.679 This one is a real upgrade thing from the energy 0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:03.960 shield scene. Now we're going to get the weirding module 0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:07.400 with the stabbing robot. So they say, doctor Ua put 0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:11.840 the weirding module on him, rob How would you describe 0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:14.080 what the weirding module is and what it does? 0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:16.719 I mean, it looks like an underwater camera housing, That's 0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:21.000 what it looks like. And I guess this is not 0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:24.639 in the book, but it is supposedly some sort of 0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:28.200 thing that turns your voice into a weapon. The weirding 0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:32.119 way is a movement technique martial arts of the Benagest 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:35.560 that is in the books. But if memory serves the 0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:39.040 filmmakers here, and I think maybe Lynch in particular wanted 0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:43.200 to avoid putting martial arts in their film. I think 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:46.080 there's something about like Lynch didn't want to see karate 0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:50.040 on the Dunes of Aracus, or this might also be 0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:54.200 classified as something you could consider like the fear of 0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:58.080 looking silly and cinematic adaptations of Dune, which is something 0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.600 you see, and at least the and the more recent adaptations, 0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:04.120 there seem to be some choices that were made where 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:06.160 they're like, Okay, we can't do that. That might look 0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:08.600 too silly, or at least that's the way I read 0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:10.680 into some of those changes. So, you know, fair enough, 0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:14.400 but the device and the concept here are kind of clunky, 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:17.000 and it forces us to have to figure out another 0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:21.720 strange technology after just having experienced the shields. That's right. 0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:24.360 But the weirding module is silly. 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:24.840 I'm sorry. 0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:27.240 I mean I like it. I wouldn't want it removed 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:30.040 from the movie. But it's funny because, as you said, 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:35.040 it translates like sounds or voices into lethal energy attacks. 0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.680 So it's like a blaster that you operate by saying. 0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:43.960 Zap, yeah, zap, zong, et cetera. You can use that 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:46.160 et cetera can be a killing word. That's right. 0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:50.040 I think I read somewhere that as you said, you know, 0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:53.480 so the Weirding module is original to Lynch's movie. It's 0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:56.480 not in the book, and I read somewhere that this 0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:59.480 might be like a strange literalization of a line in 0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:02.960 the novel about the name of maudieb the name later 0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:05.840 taken by Paul when he joins the Fremen, that name 0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:08.840 being a quote killing word, which I think may have 0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:12.680 been a metaphor in the original context, but then literalized 0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:15.440 into it this piece of sci fi technology. 0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:18.640 And so they run with it. It's weird, it's fun, 0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:23.400 but it is clunky, and it's not something I'm super 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:24.800 attached too. Yeah. 0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:27.520 So he fights the stabbing robot, and Paul is shown 0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:29.440 to be very powerful at the weirding way. 0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:32.080 Yeah. Nice Toto track during this. I like it. 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.320 Oh that's right, Yeah, with the percussion. So later we 0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:38.960 see Paul meeting other characters. He meets Duncan Idaho, who 0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:41.479 must go ahead of them to Iracus. He is the 0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:44.280 sword master of House A Treades, and I think he's 0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:46.240 going to go ahead to sort of meet with the 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:48.640 Fremen and try to interface with them. 0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:51.400 Yeah. Played here by Richard Jordan who lived nineteen thirty 0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:54.760 seven through nineteen ninety three. Emmy nominated actor. His credits 0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:57.920 include seventy six is Logan's run nineteen ninety's The Hunted 0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:01.280 Red October in nineteen ninety three is Getty's not much 0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:03.240 really to say about him here, though, because he has 0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:07.760 almost no screen time and it's just quickly forgotten. He's 0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:12.560 an important character in the novel Dune and moving forward 0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.320 in the Dune series, but he's treated like a red 0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:18.640 shirt here, at least in this cut. The twenty twenty 0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:21.800 one film with Jason Momoa in the role is I 0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:23.960 think the best version of the character we've seen so 0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:26.880 far in an adaptation, and we'll just see where it 0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:28.920 goes from there in the future. Ah. 0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:31.120 Yeah, I didn't put it together yet, but we make 0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:37.000 a Jason Momoa gola a Momola if you will. So 0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:40.280 we also meet here Duke Leto, the head of house 0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:43.480 a Treades, who meets with his son Paul, and we 0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:46.080 learned Duke Letto is very proud of his son. Duke 0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:50.480 Leto is shown to be, within the context of the story, 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:56.640 a very a very kind, fair and you know, stern, 0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:59.880 but just kind of ruler. And he, you know, he 0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:03.240 encourages his son Paul and tells him he's proud of him. 0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:07.280 He says, without change something sleeps inside us and seldom awakens. 0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:09.040 The sleeper must awaken. 0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:11.880 Yeah, this is a great bit, a recurring bit in 0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:15.360 this film. I like it. The Duke here is played 0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:21.000 by German actor Jurgen Procnow born nineteen forty one. His 0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.080 big breakout role was, of course, playing the captain in 0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.680 nineteen eighty one's The Boat or Doss Boat or Doss 0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:30.120 Boot if you will see previous discussions on the title 0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:34.680 for this film. But actor with a tremendous face and 0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:39.880 a great presence for playing stern, serious, distant and sometimes 0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:43.360 threatening characters. His filmography is all over the place, but 0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:45.920 a few notable points include Michael Mann's The Keep from 0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:49.200 eighty three, Twin Peaks Firewalk with Me in ninety two, 0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:52.440 kind of continuing this trend of Lynch often bringing back 0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:56.040 actors that he worked with on Doune for other projects. 0:32:56.720 --> 0:33:00.000 He of course plays the author Sutter Kane and John Carr. 0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:02.440 There's in the Mouth of Madness. He has a role 0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:04.840 in the Judge Dread film from ninety five, and he 0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:07.160 pops up in The English Patient in ninety six, but 0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:11.040 lots of other credits. I think he even plays an 0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:17.640 older Arnold Schwarzenegger in a TV bio movie about Arnold Swarzenegger. What. Yeah, 0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:20.040 it was like an A A and E movie or something. 0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:22.360 I remember it looked did not look good. 0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:27.880 Like a movie about an existing actor projecting that actor 0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:29.440 actor into the future. 0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.640 Yeah. I don't know, but at any rate, you know, 0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:38.000 it ends up being a more distant feeling duke here, 0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:41.720 and I think I think it works, you know, concerning 0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:44.480 his relationship with Paul, and there are these moments of 0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:48.080 warmth like the Sleeper Awaken speech. But I would say 0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:52.320 he's my third favorite duke leto the first, behind Oscar 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:53.600 Isaac and William Hurt. 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:58.280 I also really like Oscar Isaac's performance in the new film. 0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:03.960 Yeah that's Paul's father. We also meet Paul's mother, Lady Jessica, 0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:08.719 whom we meet walking through the rain in the courtyard 0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:11.880 of the palace, hidden under this voluminous hood, and she 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:15.480 seems very interesting and mysterious when we first meet her, 0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:19.440 because we hear her inner voice worrying about Paul and 0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:23.160 saying that he must face the box. No man has 0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:26.520 ever faced it before, and tonight she may lose her son. 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.799 So when we meet her, she's already worrying that she 0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:33.880 may have committed her son to a lethal challenge. 0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:36.760 Yeah, and she has played here by Francesca her Niece 0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:40.960 born nineteen forty five, English actor who also played the 0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:43.279 Witch of the Web in nineteen eighty three Skrawl. So 0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:47.600 another Krawl connection. Extensive stage, screen and TV credits. She 0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:51.719 played Lady Macbeth in that excellent nineteen seventy two film adaptation. 0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:54.000 I like her in this role, and she plays it 0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:57.399 with this interesting mix of deference and defiance. These two 0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:00.480 elements come out in different moments. She's like a character 0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:04.280 pulled back and forth between duty to authority and following 0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:07.400 her own heart and her love for her family. And 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:10.200 so I really like her in this role. I feel 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:13.480 like she kind of gets her character gets downplayed in 0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:17.000 the second half of the story here in the eighty 0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:21.160 four adaptation, and I like more. I think what is 0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:25.400 done with Rebecca Ferguson's role in the newer adaptations? 0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.920 Agreed, Yeah, I think Rebecca Ferguson just gets more to 0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:32.000 do with the character. We get a stronger portrayal of 0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:36.600 Lady Jessica both before and after the initial fall of 0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:37.520 House of Tredes. 0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:39.960 Oh, but all of this is leading up to the 0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:42.319 return of a character we've already met. We talked about 0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:46.480 in the last episode, the Reverend Mother gaias Helen Mohem, 0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:50.640 and we met her with the Emperor because she is 0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:53.560 the Emperor's truth sayer. You know, she was supposed to 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.240 try to listen in on the meeting between the Emperor 0:35:56.239 --> 0:36:00.040 and the Guild Navigator, and as she learns from that 0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.840 meeting that there is some significance to paul A Trades, 0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:06.680 the young heir of House Atreadees, and that she and 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.439 the Benny Jester at Sisters must learn more about paul 0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:11.680 to find out what his significance is. 0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:14.759 So here she is, yeah, and this is where we 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:18.640 get our goamja Bar scene, which is I think pretty 0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:23.120 effective here. I like it in both this adaptation and 0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:26.080 the recent adaptation. You know, it's one of the most 0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:29.759 famous scenes in the whole novel, and it's also one 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:31.600 of the first big scenes in the novel. As I 0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:34.759 think we've discussed before, Like it happens almost immediately in 0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:36.520 your reading of the book, that's right. 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:40.120 So the premise of the scene is that the Reverend 0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:44.920 Mother arrives, she speaks with Lady Jessica and Paul sort 0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:47.359 of awakes and overhears them speaking a little bit about 0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:49.960 something about his purpose and that he must be tested. 0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:53.359 So Paul is woken in the night and taken before 0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:56.840 the Reverend Mother. We do get some chewing out of 0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.799 Lady Jessica by the Reverend Mother because of her hubris 0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:03.360 disobeying orders and having a son trying. You know, She's like, 0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:05.800 you're trying to create the Queisout's hatterak, You're not supposed 0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:08.080 to do that. That is the super being of the universe. 0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:09.640 That's violation of orders. 0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:10.360 So forth. 0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:13.880 Now, somewhere before we actually get the Hand in the Box, 0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:16.640 there's a moment here where we see Duke Letto alone 0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:19.319 in his office, apparently maybe aware of what's going on, 0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:23.279 but not intervening. I don't recall if in the book 0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:26.279 he was aware or not, but anyway, we see him 0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:28.480 sitting alone in his office. And this is the first 0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:32.719 time we see the House of Trades pug. Can we 0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:42.000 set off a pug alarm pug alert sidebar on the pug. 0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:45.840 So we're going to see this pug pop up a 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:48.560 number of times, Like when they arrive on the planet, 0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:51.360 they've got the pug with them. And then also later 0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:55.760 when the Harconins attack the house Atrdes, we see Gurnie 0:37:55.760 --> 0:38:00.400 Hallick Patrick Stewart running into battle with like this science fictionifle, 0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:03.120 clutching the pug to his chest. 0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:03.560 Yeah. 0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:08.320 I have always loved this detail. It seems so characteristically Lynchian. 0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:12.680 The warriors of this feudal house have toy breed dogs 0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:15.200 that they carry around with them from planet to planet, 0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:18.160 even taking them into battle as if they are tokens 0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:23.920 of good fortune or provide magical protection there. It's like 0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:26.880 a lot of images in David lynch movies, and I 0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:29.279 think part of what makes him a really great filmmaker 0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:33.480 and artist is he puts in these weird images that 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:36.520 on one hand feel kind of off, but on the 0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.560 other hand you think about them and they just feel right. 0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:43.080 Something about the pug works. I don't know what it means, 0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:45.560 but it feels like, yeah, they would have a pug 0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:45.960 like this. 0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:48.960 Yeah. Well, we saw the Emperor had his own dog 0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:51.839 breeds running around, so it's weird, but it's also kind 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:53.920 of fitting that a great house would have its signature 0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:56.960 dog breed. The pug is also the closest thing that 0:38:57.000 --> 0:38:59.520 we get to a chair dog, which we get much 0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:00.760 later in the book series. 0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:03.200 I think the pug is not mistreated. We see the 0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:05.799 pug treated very lovingly and respectfully. 0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:08.360 Well, cheer dogs are not mistreated either, They just do 0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:11.399 they were. They have a function. You sit on them, 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:13.799 and that you're not mistreating a chair dog to sit 0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:14.520 on a chair dog. 0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:17.359 Surely, Oh okay, I misunderstood. 0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:20.919 The cheer dog doesn't have a face or presumably a butt. 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:24.360 I guess it's I don't know. There's probably some inherent 0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:27.640 cruelty in the creation of a cheer dog, but it's 0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:28.719 never really explored. 0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:30.719 Not to get too dark, I guess you could say 0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:32.839 there's some cruelty in the creation of a pug as well, 0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:35.719 but that's they don't have to go. But these, these 0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:39.120 pugs are treated. These are beloved pugs. The atreadees love 0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:39.720 their pugs. 0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:43.000 Pugs are cuties, no doubt about it. We have made 0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:47.919 a dog in the semblance of a human baby. 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:51.600 We were told we shall not. But you just can't 0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:55.160 follow those rules. Okay, so sorry, we could Coming back 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.920 to the Gomja bar scene. So this is where the 0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:01.160 reverend mother confronts Paul alone in the in the house 0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:01.720 on Kaladan. 0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:03.600 Here and she. 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:06.759 Starts to command him using the voice. This is one 0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:10.080 of the many Benni Jesert arts having a way of 0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:13.000 manipulating their voice so as to sort of hypnotize and 0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:16.760 command people, even against their will. The Reverend Mother tries 0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.200 to use the voice to command Paul, but he's somewhat 0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:23.160 resistant at first. When she talks in this movie, it's 0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:26.400 kind of a lizard queen speaking through a fan voice. 0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:30.919 Yeah, it sounds really good in my opinion. I also 0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:33.799 really like the way that it's brought to life in 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:37.800 the new film adaptations, and they feel similar. They're probably 0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.520 not that similar if you line them up one to one, 0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:44.320 but they're both effective for me. Yeah, I agree. 0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:48.080 So Paul is given this trial, the Trial of the 0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:51.239 Box where the reverend. So he puts his hand in 0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:53.839 a box that the Reverend Mother offers him, and then 0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:56.520 she puts a sort of poisoned thimble with a needle 0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:59.440 on it against his neck and tells him there's going 0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:01.319 to be pain in the box. He will want to 0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:03.640 remove his hand, but if he removes his hand, she 0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:06.240 will stab him with the gom jabbar, the poison needle, 0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:11.240 and he will die. He's suffering. It's burning. The fire 0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:14.240 is consuming the flesh down to the bone, he thinks, 0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:16.319 or at least it feels that way. And the whole 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:21.440 point is that someone of inferior will would remove their 0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:24.080 hand from the box in response to the pain. But 0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:27.480 there's something she's testing for kind of will in Paul 0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:30.919 to face the pain and keep his hand inside. And 0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:33.160 in this scene, when trying to get through the pain, 0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:37.240 we hear Paul's inner voice reciting the Litany against Fear. 0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:40.520 One of the great things from the novel and the 0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:43.920 version of it used in the movie, is that he says, 0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:47.160 I must not fear. Fear is the mind killer. Fear 0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:50.520 is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will 0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:53.319 face my fear. I will permit it to pass over 0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:56.120 me and through me. And when it has gone past, 0:41:56.560 --> 0:41:59.280 I will turn the inner eye to see its path. 0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:01.920 The fear has gone, there will be nothing. 0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:06.080 Only I will remain. And I really like his reading 0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:08.880 of this with the inner voices, so it's kind of 0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:12.200 there's an urgency to it because he is in pain. 0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:14.839 I heard the sample in a mix once before, I believe, 0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:17.719 in an autech or mix. It was very well, very 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:18.440 well utilized. 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:21.720 I think There are slight changes to the Litany against 0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:24.359 Fear here from in the book. I don't remember what 0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:26.279 the changes are, but I like this version of it. 0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:29.040 Yeah, yeah, it's still it very much keeps most of 0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:31.279 the words and definitely keeps the spirit of the thing. 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:36.799 And col wahad, he's okay, he passed the test. The 0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:39.200 Reverend Mother says, coolwahad, which is a phrase meaning I 0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:43.239 am profoundly stirred. And she explains the prophecy of the 0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:47.680 Quisat's Haderak to Paul. But Paul fears for his father, 0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:50.520 and the Reverend Mother tells him what can be done 0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:54.000 to protect his father has been done, So you know, 0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:56.319 it's there's a kind of fatalism going on here. 0:42:56.760 --> 0:43:06.960 Yeah, all right, it's time to planet hop again. 0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:09.839 Oh boy, and now we're getting really depraved. So let's 0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:14.200 go to giedde Prime, home of House Harconin and Lord. 0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:17.280 The way the Harconans are realized in this movie, there 0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:22.239 is a level of weirdness that again goes beyond the 0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:25.400 books is purely David Lynch, I think. 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:26.239 So. 0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:28.600 First of all, I just wanted to focus. They give 0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:31.479 us a brief look at the exterior of Geedee Prime 0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:34.120 before we meet the characters, and it appears to be 0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:39.640 a kind of urban landscape of shadows and green light, 0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:44.080 with these unbroken walls of industrial looking buildings stretching up 0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:47.720 until they vanish into a dark sky. There's black smoke 0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:50.760 pouring out of a hidden orifice in the city walls, 0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:55.040 towers of metal struts in the foreground, almost like watchtowers 0:43:55.120 --> 0:44:00.800 or guard stations, with some kind of tortured sculpture looming 0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:03.520 between the buildings. And we see the sculpture many times. 0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:08.120 It is like a giant porcelain face on which the 0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:11.799 eyes and nose are hidden behind a shadow, and all 0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:16.680 that's visible is a giant gaping mouth over a plump chin, 0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:19.759 almost like the mouth of a fish, but on the 0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:23.400 head of a human baby. So is this sculpture opening 0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:27.160 its mouth to devour food, to scream in pain, or 0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:30.600 to gasp for breath? All seem to be implied. I 0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:33.759 love this design for the home world of the Harconins 0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.760 because it's like this little sculpture with the eyes hidden, 0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:41.759 is like greed, pain, fear, and desperation luxuriating in the 0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:43.359 ambiguity between them all. 0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:46.439 And is it also piping out smoke or some sort 0:44:46.440 --> 0:44:50.160 of vapor, because the planet itself is supposed to be 0:44:50.239 --> 0:44:53.400 heavily polluted. So yes, I kind of like see it 0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:55.799 as that as well, like everything you said, but on 0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:58.480 top of that, it's spouting pollution. 0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:02.799 You see smoke coming out I interpreted as the smoke 0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:05.440 coming out from behind the sculpture, but I don't know. 0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:09.320 It could be, it could be, But yeah, the planet 0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:11.520 has a very I think a lot with the green 0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:16.680 designs is to suggest not a natural green like plants, 0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:21.000 but like a poisonous green, a kind of industrial green ooze. 0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:25.799 Absolutely, yeah, I love this look. We only see really 0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:27.879 a glimpse of it here, but it's reminiscent of hr 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:32.520 Giger's original biomechanical designs for the planet from I believe 0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:37.480 the Jodowski adaptation that never came to fruition, but little 0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:39.400 bits like that has kind of been passed down and 0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:43.720 become part of the tradition of portraying Dune on film, 0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:47.400 even in the recent DV adaptation. So we see a 0:45:47.400 --> 0:45:50.920 lot more of this planet in Part two, of course, 0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:55.759 and they have their own wonderful and an inventive way 0:45:55.800 --> 0:46:00.000 of envisioning it, but there's still that biomechanical Gothic aspect 0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:00.680 to everything. 0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:03.279 Yeah, yeah, well in the new movie, I love that 0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:06.640 they do it as a very desaturated or I don't 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:08.480 know if that's the right term. Actually it's it's a 0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:12.000 black and white kind of environment with high contrast that 0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:15.520 I think is explained by Gidee Prime having a black son. 0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:17.440 So they say there's like there's no color on the 0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:18.480 surface of the planet. 0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:20.800 Yeah, yeah, I think that's supposed to be the reason 0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:22.680 for it, and give himn excuse to shoot it an 0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:23.640 infra red apparently. 0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:30.520 So we meet here the Harkonen Mintat Piter Devrees, who 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:34.280 is the you know, the court, the equivalent of Thufr 0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:35.640 Hawat to house the Treades. 0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:41.319 This is played by Oh well, this of course is 0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:46.200 Brad Dorif born nineteen fifty. Yes, one of American cinema's 0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:48.959 finest weird actors. We've talked about it on the show 0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:52.319 before in our episode on Toby Hooper's Spontaneous Combustion from 0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:55.839 nineteen eighty nine. And he's one of these actors that's 0:46:55.960 --> 0:47:00.600 enjoyable in pretty much anything, regardless of overall film quality. 0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:04.000 You know, he's probably best known for his performances in 0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:07.480 such films as nineteen seventy nine's Wise Blood, which is 0:47:07.560 --> 0:47:11.360 generally excellent, nineteen eighty eight Child's play in two thousand 0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:14.680 and two's Lord of the Rings the Two Towers, in 0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:17.359 which he plays Grima worm tongue. Yeah, he had great 0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:22.480 performance there, in which he has no eyebrows. But in this, 0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:26.359 in Lynch's Doom, he of course has mintat eyebrows, and 0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:32.400 I do love him. In this he captures the viciousness 0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:35.520 of Pider. But at the same time, this is a 0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.680 Dune character that I dearly love, and there's never enough 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:42.200 time in any adaptation to explore him and his delicious, 0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:46.960 dangerous relationship with the baron, where they both expect to 0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:50.120 know that the other will try and kill them at 0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:53.200 one point or the other. It's like a delicate balance. 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:56.440 Yeah, he is an evil, vicious character, but also for 0:47:56.480 --> 0:47:58.080 some reason I find him pitiable. 0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:01.440 Yeah yeah, I mean is a twisted Mintat. He is 0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:05.279 the product of some sort of either bizarre corruption of 0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:08.759 a normal mintat or some corruption of the mentat process. 0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:11.200 And with all these things you have to sort of 0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:12.839 pick and choose how are you going to present him? 0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:18.800 I do quite love David Datzmachian's performance in the recent 0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:22.040 adaptation as well, but it's just a different slice of 0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:26.960 the same character. He's more cerebral and withdrawn in that performance, 0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:29.600 and it still works. It still captures a part of 0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:33.319 what is a ultimately a brief but complex character. Right. 0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:37.200 So Pider, he's speaking to himself. He says, it is 0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:40.480 by will alone, I set my mind in motion. So 0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:45.879 he's reciting a kind of mintat litany here, some sort 0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:49.239 of equivalent to the Litany against Fear, except instead of 0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:52.880 about avoiding fear, this is about, like, you know, realizing 0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:55.680 your potential with the help of drugs. Because it goes 0:48:55.719 --> 0:48:57.520 on to say it is by the juice of Sappho 0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:01.200 that thoughts acquire speed, that lips acquires stains, the stains 0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:04.720 become a warning. Then he says that a bunch of times. 0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:09.040 Yeah, this mintat Mantra is not from the books, but 0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:11.920 it is. It's one of those additions that feels perfectly 0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:16.520 at home in the Dune universe. It works, it absolutely works, 0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:18.440 And the whole thing about the juice of the Sapho 0:49:18.600 --> 0:49:19.960 is very much in the text. 0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:23.239 Yeah, so this is a nervous and unhappy Mintat in 0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:25.000 a dangerous situation. 0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:30.680 Yeah, nervous, angry, scheming, all those things, and yeah, we 0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:31.719 get it in this performance. 0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:35.120 So there are more visions of gide prime people in 0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:40.040 pure white clothing walking through industrial mazes illuminated by green light. 0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:44.279 It's a very striking vision. Again, I love the designs 0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:47.000 of the planet here. I think they really work. We 0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:51.680 see Harconin soldiers standing lined up with multiple barreled firearms 0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:54.320 in hand. Then finally we go to meet the Harcone 0:49:54.360 --> 0:49:57.840 and Royalty in a room that is almost like it's green, 0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:01.440 like a bar of soap, and the Harconins are being 0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:06.120 attended by servants with almost Clive Barker's style body modifications, 0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:11.000 ears clipped and sewn folded in on themselves, eyelids sewn 0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:14.879 shut with threads and tacks driven into the eyes. Also, 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:17.080 everybody that has hair has red hair. 0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:20.160 Yeah, and that the red hair touch is nice and 0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:24.719 helps us identify Harconins. But already the scene is too 0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:31.920 much like the eyes and ears sewn up is just 0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:34.879 too much. And also that green, that green is too 0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:38.759 much like a modern perspective. I'll occasionally see stills from 0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:42.400 this and I'll initially think, oh, this is an unfinished sequence. 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:45.279 That's green screen, you know, like that's where my mind goes, Like, 0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:47.680 that's how alarming that green color is. 0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:52.000 So we finally meet the patriarch of the villainous house Harconin. Here, 0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:56.480 the Baron Vladimir Harconin being attended by doctors. So when 0:50:56.480 --> 0:50:59.960 we first see him, his face is covered in boil 0:51:00.239 --> 0:51:03.600 of some kind and the doctors are doing something grotesque 0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:05.120 with them with a needle. 0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:11.480 Yeah. Now, this Baron Vladimir Harkonen is played by Kenneth McMillan, 0:51:11.920 --> 0:51:15.080 who lived nineteen thirty two through nineteen eighty nine. American 0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:17.840 character actor who often played heavies and a reminder that 0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:21.759 by heavies I mean like threatening or dominant antagonists. He 0:51:21.800 --> 0:51:25.239 also played a lot of gruff authority figures. He didn't 0:51:25.320 --> 0:51:27.520 apparently didn't pursue an acting career until he was in 0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:30.480 his thirties, and he was forty before his first screen 0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:33.680 in TV credits appear, showing up in a couple episodes 0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:36.120 of Dark Shadows, as well as an uncredited role in 0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:39.840 nineteen seventy three Serpico. He followed this up with small 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:42.680 roles in the Taking of Pelham one, two three, The 0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:46.320 Stepford Wives and Dog Day Afternoon. A fair amount of 0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:50.000 TV followed, including a role on the series Rota. He 0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:52.560 played a cop in the nineteen seventy nine Salem's Lot 0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:56.280 mini series from Toby Hooper, and he'd follow up Doune 0:51:56.440 --> 0:51:59.440 with a role in nineteen eighty five's Runaway Train and 0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:00.760 then mostly TV work. 0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:04.799 So this version of Baron Harkonen likes to scream and 0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:08.480 fly around in the air while screaming yeah. 0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:11.960 This character, this characterization of the Baron is a lot 0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:15.880 in the text. We are privy to his inner thoughts, 0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:19.480 and there are various dimensions to the character of the Baron, 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:23.040 all of them evil. He is a man of vast 0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:28.280 greed and ambition, of appetite, brutality, fear, and endless plotting, 0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:30.480 and you can't possibly capture all of that on screen, 0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:33.120 so you pick and choose what you can. The recent 0:52:33.160 --> 0:52:36.520 adaptations do a great job focusing mostly on the brutal 0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:39.719 plotting aspect of the character. While this version of the 0:52:39.719 --> 0:52:45.360 Baron is a wild, gross demon of consumption, cackling, floating around, spitting, 0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:49.480 oozing and so forth. It's just too much, But to 0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:54.760 McMillan's credit, he rolls with it and delivers some nice menace. 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:58.760 I'd say ultimately he's my third favorite Baron behind stellin 0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:01.960 Scarsguard and the more recent adaptations. Who's more of like 0:53:02.000 --> 0:53:05.239 the threatening and cerebral baron. And then I have to 0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:07.680 say that Ian McNeice did a great job with it 0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:10.680 in the mini series, the sci Fi mini series as well. 0:53:11.120 --> 0:53:14.080 Yeah, this is a less serious portrayal of the Baron 0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:16.360 than we get like with the Scars Guard. Obviously that 0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:20.600 is a very deep, dark, scary baron. This Baron is 0:53:20.640 --> 0:53:25.279 a lot funnier and and that kind of continues with 0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:28.359 how the rest of how Harkonin is portrayed. We meet 0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:34.080 the Baron's two nephews, Fade Rautha and the Beast Rabon. 0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:36.560 I think they're called the Beast by the people of 0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:40.760 Irakus Rabon. What's his first name, Glossu or something I believe. 0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:44.520 So, yeah, So the Beast here is played by Paul L. Smith, 0:53:44.880 --> 0:53:48.879 who of nineteen thirty six through twenty twelve. So this 0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:53.120 is another over the top performance just by another noted 0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:56.880 gruff character actor. So he's an American actor who played 0:53:57.440 --> 0:54:01.080 Bluto in the nineteen eighty Popeye movie. Other credits include 0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:04.879 Sam Raimi's Cohen Brothers scripted film Crime Way from eighty five, 0:54:05.040 --> 0:54:08.920 Red Sonia from eighty five, Gore from eighty seven, and 0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:12.080 the nineteen eighty two Spanish horror movie Pieces, which is 0:54:12.120 --> 0:54:15.399 on our potential to do list. But yeah, basically, this 0:54:15.560 --> 0:54:20.879 Beast is just a grotesque cartoon character. Dave Bautista does 0:54:21.280 --> 0:54:24.120 a solid job as the character in the recent films, 0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:26.520 and they really expand the role to make the role 0:54:26.560 --> 0:54:29.319 more meaningful and give Bautista much more to do. 0:54:30.120 --> 0:54:32.680 Like we were saying with Pider earlier, this is another 0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:37.759 character who is totally completely evil but also ends up 0:54:37.800 --> 0:54:39.520 being rather pitiable in the story. 0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:43.160 Yeah, and now the other son is, of course the 0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:47.120 golden child of House Harkonen. This is Fate Roth though, 0:54:47.160 --> 0:54:52.000 like you said, played by sting Yeaheen fifty one. I 0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:55.120 believe this was only his fourth acting role, following nineteen 0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:58.279 eighty two's Brimstone and Treckle, and he'd follow this up 0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:02.280 by playing Frankenstein in ten eighty five's The Bride. That's 0:55:02.320 --> 0:55:05.920 the Doctor, by the way, that the true Frankenstein, not 0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:10.840 Frankenstein as you know shorthand for the monster. He's continued 0:55:10.880 --> 0:55:13.520 to act on and off over the years. Often you know, 0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:16.640 really good, especially in small doses here and there. He 0:55:16.760 --> 0:55:20.160 is an Oscar winner, but in the original song category. 0:55:20.560 --> 0:55:23.360 M okay, I'm trying to think of what other movies 0:55:23.480 --> 0:55:25.560 is he he was in that. He was in the 0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:29.839 Who's Other Rock Opera? Not Tommy but Quadrophenia. 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:31.840 He was, Yeah, he was. I think he had a 0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:36.480 small role in lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels much later, 0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:38.719 and like that was one where it's a very small role, 0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:39.799 but he's really good in it. 0:55:39.840 --> 0:55:42.480 You know, what do I think of Sting's performance in 0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:46.200 this movie? You know, it's absolutely memorable. I'm never gonna 0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:50.239 not be thinking about him in this role, especially his 0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:53.319 line delivery during the final fight scene We'll get too later. 0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:55.880 I will kill him, I will kill you. 0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:02.360 Yeah, it's a it's a lot to figure out because 0:56:04.120 --> 0:56:06.360 he is. He is over the top and it's weird. 0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:11.080 It's a weird performance. He looks amazing and Fade Rotha 0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:15.040 on top of that is a strange character, like and 0:56:15.120 --> 0:56:18.279 no film adaptation, in my opinion, has really done him 0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:21.640 complete justice. Like he we don't know a lot about 0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:23.959 him ultimately, but we know and we know enough about 0:56:24.000 --> 0:56:26.600 him in the book that he's he's brash, he's not 0:56:26.719 --> 0:56:29.000 the plotter in the planner that his uncle is. His 0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:32.120 uncle is doing a lot to try and ensure that 0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:34.160 he moves up in the world and becomes a new 0:56:34.200 --> 0:56:37.840 face of House Harkonen. But there seems to be a 0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:42.480 lot of frustration with his maturity level and his appreciation 0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:44.840 for all of this, and you know, we just we 0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:47.720 tend to see less of that in the film adaptations. 0:56:48.040 --> 0:56:50.320 Yeah, the new movie does a good job of setting 0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:52.960 him up as a foil to poll that they are 0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:54.880 sort of two sides of the same coin. 0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:59.080 Yeah. Yeah, Austin Butler does a great job in doing 0:56:59.160 --> 0:57:01.920 Part two. Is the character, but it's a it's a 0:57:02.000 --> 0:57:04.600 rather different read on him. Like, on one hand, he's 0:57:04.640 --> 0:57:08.640 still supposed to be a kind of hot and supposed 0:57:08.640 --> 0:57:15.040 to be a definite threat to Paul, though perplexingly the 0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:19.760 new adaptations portray him as an honorable fighter, which I'm 0:57:19.800 --> 0:57:21.520 still trying to figure that out. I need I need 0:57:21.520 --> 0:57:24.200 a view Part two again in order to figure out 0:57:24.240 --> 0:57:26.200 how I really feel about all this, because I think 0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:28.200 one of the appeals of the character in the book 0:57:28.520 --> 0:57:32.120 and in this adaptation is that he will absolutely cheat 0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:34.880 to win. Yes, and I feel like that helped that 0:57:34.880 --> 0:57:37.080 that actually makes him more of a threat to Paul, 0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:39.919 because this is a guy that will that will win 0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:42.479 at any cost and is used to winning at any 0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:44.520 cost and feels no shame about it. Yeah. 0:57:44.600 --> 0:57:50.040 Originally, the Harkonins are not like worthy opponents or you know, honorable, honorable. 0:57:51.120 --> 0:57:51.560 Villains. 0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:55.800 They're They're absolute like liars and cheaters and dirty tricksters, 0:57:55.800 --> 0:57:57.080 and they'll do whatever they can. 0:57:57.760 --> 0:58:01.120 Yeah. Though I'm sure DV has as his reasons, and 0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:03.360 like I say, I need to watch Doing Part two 0:58:03.440 --> 0:58:06.320 again to sort of figure out exactly how I feel 0:58:06.360 --> 0:58:07.880 about that performance. Now. 0:58:07.920 --> 0:58:09.800 I do love the book, but I think there is 0:58:09.840 --> 0:58:12.560 a new There's a change made in the new movie 0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:15.800 that I appreciate, which is that it exercises from the 0:58:15.800 --> 0:58:20.280 Harconin plot line and characterization some elements that I think 0:58:20.320 --> 0:58:24.120 you could fairly argue are homophobic in the original portrayal, 0:58:24.200 --> 0:58:28.080 where like these like the Harconin characters, especially the Baron 0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:32.240 are portrayed as having same sex attraction, and I think 0:58:32.320 --> 0:58:35.080 you can you can say fairly it is not incidental 0:58:35.200 --> 0:58:37.520 to the fact that they're villains, but more sort of 0:58:37.560 --> 0:58:40.040 portrayed as part of their deviousness. 0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:43.400 Yeah, I think that was a solid cut for for 0:58:43.480 --> 0:58:48.520 the the new adaptations, for sure. And and it's it's 0:58:48.560 --> 0:58:53.080 something that is handled in this adaptation, in Lynch's adaptation 0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:57.320 in a way that has that has attracted a fair 0:58:57.320 --> 0:58:58.720 amount of criticism over the years. 0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:01.040 Yeah, from what I can tell, Well, it seems more 0:59:01.240 --> 0:59:04.440 implicit in Lynch's movie and a little more explicit in 0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:06.720 the book, but still I think it's somewhat there in 0:59:06.760 --> 0:59:07.840 the movie. 0:59:07.720 --> 0:59:11.680 Yea. But let's not detract from the utter weirdness of 0:59:11.720 --> 0:59:14.600 this absolute Lynchian circus of a scene. 0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:17.080 Yes, because the setting. We haven't even finished describing the 0:59:17.200 --> 0:59:21.000 room they're in the Oh no, okay, So interesting things 0:59:21.040 --> 0:59:24.680 about this scene. There is boiling acid under the floor, 0:59:25.160 --> 0:59:27.080 and it just seems to be part of the culture 0:59:27.280 --> 0:59:31.080 of Gidee Prime that when you're done with things, like 0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:33.439 the way we might throw something in the garbage can, 0:59:33.680 --> 0:59:36.480 they can throw things through a hole in the floor 0:59:36.560 --> 0:59:39.960 grate into the boiling acid below. So they use the 0:59:39.960 --> 0:59:43.880 boiling acid as the dumpster, and it's just there underneath 0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:46.480 the floor at all times, and I guess they're presumably 0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:48.080 breathing the fumes from it. 0:59:48.160 --> 0:59:52.160 Constantly. It's world building, baby, I like the detail. It's good. 0:59:52.200 --> 0:59:54.400 I don't recall if there's anything like that in the book, 0:59:54.440 --> 0:59:59.560 but it makes sense in this movie. The doctor is 0:59:59.600 --> 1:00:02.720 a ten. The baron also have a very David Lynch 1:00:02.800 --> 1:00:05.800 quality to them. This seems like purely Lynchy and flourish. 1:00:05.920 --> 1:00:09.200 One of them is like saying a little sort of 1:00:09.280 --> 1:00:12.880 nursery rhyme to the boils as he is picking at them, 1:00:13.440 --> 1:00:15.920 so he says, like, put the pick in there, Pete, 1:00:16.040 --> 1:00:20.000 turn it round real neat. That kind of cutesy rhyming 1:00:20.120 --> 1:00:24.400 in this grotesque context is an extremely David Lynch kind 1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:24.960 of thing to do. 1:00:25.720 --> 1:00:29.000 Yeah, I'll just mention briefly that that's the Leonardo Chimino 1:00:29.360 --> 1:00:32.240 playing the Baron's doctor Live nineteen seventeen through twenty twelve. 1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:36.280 You probably saw him in water World or in nineteen 1:00:36.320 --> 1:00:38.480 eighty seven's The Monster Squad when he played where he 1:00:38.480 --> 1:00:41.560 plays the old German guy. But yeah, this is weird 1:00:41.840 --> 1:00:44.880 and not in the books and just just strange, just 1:00:44.920 --> 1:00:46.840 strange and grotesque. 1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:49.960 Speaking of strange and grotesque, what is the thing that 1:00:50.520 --> 1:00:54.000 Rabond like crushes and then drinks the juice of here? 1:00:54.160 --> 1:00:57.400 Is this in some way a spice based cocktail. I 1:00:57.400 --> 1:01:00.240 don't think, as far as I know, Rabond is not 1:01:00.320 --> 1:01:02.800 consuming spice, because do we see him with blue eyes 1:01:02.880 --> 1:01:06.200 at all. He crushes something in a glass box and 1:01:06.240 --> 1:01:07.880 then sucks up its juice. 1:01:09.200 --> 1:01:13.120 I don't think this is spice, though. To be sure, 1:01:13.160 --> 1:01:14.640 in the book they mentioned that, you know, a lot 1:01:14.680 --> 1:01:19.479 of royal houses use spice because spice extends your human life, 1:01:20.000 --> 1:01:22.360 and so I mean, it's maybe they're using spice and 1:01:22.400 --> 1:01:24.880 they just don't use it at the levels that frem 1:01:24.920 --> 1:01:28.960 and use it to gain their eyes. This, I don't know. 1:01:28.960 --> 1:01:30.640 I always kind of read this as some other kind 1:01:30.680 --> 1:01:34.120 of strange space drug in this universe of weird space drugs. 1:01:34.480 --> 1:01:38.760 It's like a mummified frog juice box. It's like you 1:01:38.840 --> 1:01:42.080 auto crush a petrified creature and then you inhale it, 1:01:42.160 --> 1:01:44.240 and then of course you chunk the juice box across 1:01:44.240 --> 1:01:47.520 the room. I'm not sure what this is all about. 1:01:47.560 --> 1:01:49.880 I don't think it's anything from the book or the books, 1:01:50.240 --> 1:01:52.560 but it is marvelously strange. I like it. 1:01:53.000 --> 1:01:55.360 So anyway, they're you know, they're talking about their plots 1:01:55.440 --> 1:02:00.960 against House of Treades and the baron to note, generally, 1:02:01.080 --> 1:02:03.280 he often starts levitating up in the air when he 1:02:03.320 --> 1:02:06.040 gets really excited. Again, the difference I think from the 1:02:06.080 --> 1:02:08.440 book that like in the book they say the Baron 1:02:08.480 --> 1:02:12.880 has like suspensers that help him like stay aloft, like 1:02:12.960 --> 1:02:15.000 help him stand up or something like that, But this 1:02:15.200 --> 1:02:16.959 he's just flying all the time here. 1:02:17.680 --> 1:02:20.160 Yeah. Yeah, this movie made the choice that he was 1:02:20.200 --> 1:02:23.120 going to fly around and float around, and all subsequent 1:02:23.200 --> 1:02:27.040 adaptations have gone on that route as well. Though it's 1:02:27.080 --> 1:02:29.800 more comical in this version and it's more threatening and 1:02:29.960 --> 1:02:34.640 ominous in dv's adaptations. But we're still not out of 1:02:34.680 --> 1:02:38.000 all the weird creations and recreations for this scene. 1:02:38.160 --> 1:02:41.240 Oh no, there's also like, oh, this grotesque thing where 1:02:41.280 --> 1:02:44.560 like many of the servants and people like the people 1:02:44.560 --> 1:02:47.680 who work for the Atredees or not the atreadees, sorry, 1:02:47.680 --> 1:02:51.480 the Harconins have this like plug, this like a valve 1:02:51.640 --> 1:02:55.200 in their heart that the Harconins can just like pull 1:02:55.280 --> 1:02:58.160 out the plug and like all their blood runs out 1:02:58.160 --> 1:03:00.440 of their chest and they die. And it seems that 1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:03.439 the Baron just sometimes removes people's plugs for fun. 1:03:04.200 --> 1:03:07.160 Yeah, this is not in the books, but it is 1:03:07.240 --> 1:03:09.560 kind of a fitting invention for the hearkens on a 1:03:09.600 --> 1:03:12.479 whole because yeah, so the baron apparently likes to level 1:03:12.480 --> 1:03:14.760 the playing field with his servants and his underlings so 1:03:14.800 --> 1:03:17.320 that he can kill them at will by simply pulling 1:03:17.360 --> 1:03:21.280 this thing out. But this sequence in particular that follows 1:03:21.320 --> 1:03:26.040 because basically what I think he's credited as a flower boy, like, 1:03:26.080 --> 1:03:30.680 a servant comes in and the baron approaches him rather 1:03:30.800 --> 1:03:33.720 lustily and then pulls out his heart plug and blood 1:03:33.800 --> 1:03:38.120 goes everywhere. And this sequence has generated for amount criticism 1:03:38.120 --> 1:03:40.720 over the years, dude to not only its grotesque qualities 1:03:41.120 --> 1:03:44.680 but also questionable implications during the AIDS crisis of the 1:03:44.760 --> 1:03:49.040 nineteen eighties, given that in quick succession we see same sex, desire, 1:03:49.400 --> 1:03:52.560 physical illness on the part of the baron, and also 1:03:52.640 --> 1:03:56.400 blood spraying everywhere. I don't think any of that was 1:03:56.480 --> 1:04:00.800 actually intentional, and Lynch is drawing directly on elements from 1:04:00.800 --> 1:04:04.320 the book here in many cases. But there's longstanding social 1:04:04.400 --> 1:04:05.800 criticism of this sequence. 1:04:06.080 --> 1:04:09.040 Yeah, I can see maybe an isolation, some of these 1:04:09.040 --> 1:04:12.160 weird elements working better individually, but put together like this, 1:04:12.280 --> 1:04:14.479 I can absolutely see what the critics are saying there. 1:04:15.560 --> 1:04:18.120 And again I think it was a good choice in 1:04:18.160 --> 1:04:21.160 the newer movies to like remove the same sex attraction 1:04:21.440 --> 1:04:24.440 element from the Harconins because it's just not really necessary 1:04:24.560 --> 1:04:28.720 and and it avoids this kind of implication, the implication 1:04:28.840 --> 1:04:32.080 that like that in itself is part of their deviousness 1:04:32.160 --> 1:04:35.400 or is evil in some way. Okay, so I think 1:04:35.440 --> 1:04:37.840 we're done with Gidee Prime for now, right, Can. 1:04:37.720 --> 1:04:40.200 We onto Aracus? No? 1:04:40.200 --> 1:04:42.080 No, no, no, not onto Aracus. 1:04:42.080 --> 1:04:44.360 We're gonna go back to Caladan first. Okay. 1:04:45.440 --> 1:04:47.800 So we see, you know, the the Atredees leaving the 1:04:47.800 --> 1:04:50.640 planet with their pug Jessica, Letto and Paul. So they 1:04:50.640 --> 1:04:52.920 get on board the spaceship and blast off for Dune 1:04:53.160 --> 1:04:57.160 and the spaceships we see them approaching the Guild Highliner, 1:04:57.800 --> 1:05:00.240 which is like an object that sort of like a 1:05:00.240 --> 1:05:03.400 city sized baton floating in the void. And these are 1:05:03.440 --> 1:05:06.440 the ships that can travel through folded space. So you 1:05:06.480 --> 1:05:08.680 take a space ship up to the Guild Highliner, I think, 1:05:08.720 --> 1:05:11.080 you get on board it and then it takes you 1:05:11.560 --> 1:05:15.560 between the different stars and the galaxy. And so their 1:05:15.560 --> 1:05:19.040 ship enters the Guilt Highliner through a huge opening framed 1:05:19.080 --> 1:05:22.920 by ornate gold decorations, like the frame of a Renaissance painting. 1:05:22.960 --> 1:05:27.560 I like that detail, and I really like this sequence 1:05:27.640 --> 1:05:33.480 because here space travel is treated with apprehension and reverence 1:05:33.640 --> 1:05:38.880 as a mystical, almost magical event. It's so far from 1:05:38.320 --> 1:05:42.840 the kind of casual jet fighter pilots in space themes 1:05:42.880 --> 1:05:44.800 that we would get in so many other sci fi 1:05:44.880 --> 1:05:48.000 movies of the time. I love the feeling created here 1:05:48.120 --> 1:05:52.440 that to travel on a Guild highliner is to participate 1:05:52.560 --> 1:05:55.320 in a profound and unsettling mystery. 1:05:55.840 --> 1:06:00.480 Yeah. Absolutely, and one that is managed by a reclue 1:06:00.520 --> 1:06:04.640 cult that has a complete monopoly on space travel. A 1:06:04.680 --> 1:06:07.680 reminder that no one is moving star to star in 1:06:07.720 --> 1:06:11.040 the Dune universe except for the Guild. So there are 1:06:11.040 --> 1:06:13.800 no space battles because there's nobody to engage in those 1:06:13.800 --> 1:06:16.480 space battles. The Guild controls everything. 1:06:17.120 --> 1:06:19.680 Yeah, that's a really good point. But so I think 1:06:19.720 --> 1:06:22.400 this is something that the Lynch movie does especially well, 1:06:22.520 --> 1:06:27.280 is create this sense of awe and mystery and intrepidation 1:06:27.440 --> 1:06:32.280 and danger about interstellar travel. Yeah, you're at the mercy 1:06:32.360 --> 1:06:39.760 of this reclusive cult, as you said. 1:06:43.920 --> 1:06:45.800 All right, so we board up the highliner and then 1:06:45.840 --> 1:06:48.720 we set off onward to Aracus. That's right. 1:06:48.760 --> 1:06:51.520 Finally we're at doune, so the planet appears as a 1:06:51.600 --> 1:06:55.760 reverse setting sun and they go down to the surface. Jessica, 1:06:55.840 --> 1:06:58.360 Leto and Paul arrive and set foot on the planet, 1:06:58.520 --> 1:07:02.320 and then Princess Irelon resus the narration gotta get more 1:07:02.560 --> 1:07:06.160 more voiceover narration. She says that House of Trades took 1:07:06.200 --> 1:07:08.800 control of Iracus sixty three standard days into the year 1:07:08.880 --> 1:07:11.800 ten thousand and one ninety one. It was known that 1:07:11.840 --> 1:07:14.840 the Harconins, the former rulers of Aracus, would leave many 1:07:14.920 --> 1:07:19.800 suicide troops behind a Trades patrols were doubled, and we 1:07:19.920 --> 1:07:23.640 learn in the following scenes that the Harconans have sabotaged 1:07:23.720 --> 1:07:28.320 machinery and defenses on the planet. We of course meet 1:07:28.400 --> 1:07:31.520 Duncan Idaho yet again. He comes to Duke Leto. He's 1:07:31.600 --> 1:07:33.880 dressed in a still suit. This is the first glimpse 1:07:33.880 --> 1:07:36.000 we get. I think of what the still suit looks 1:07:36.040 --> 1:07:38.160 like here, which it looks just kind of like a 1:07:38.200 --> 1:07:40.840 padded full body suit, but it's got the hose that 1:07:40.880 --> 1:07:44.120 connects to the nose. This is the local fremen attire, 1:07:44.200 --> 1:07:47.560 which allows one to survive in the desert without losing water. 1:07:48.360 --> 1:07:51.840 It recycles your sweat the vapor in your breath, your urine, 1:07:52.120 --> 1:07:54.959 your feces, everything, all the water comes back. 1:07:55.440 --> 1:07:58.360 Yeah. Yeah, And the suits look pretty darn good in 1:07:58.400 --> 1:08:01.040 this film. In fact, I know peopleeople who prefer these 1:08:01.080 --> 1:08:05.320 suits to the new adaptations, but I like him in both. Yeah, 1:08:05.360 --> 1:08:05.840 I do too. 1:08:06.840 --> 1:08:09.440 So Duncan reports to the Duke that he's made contact 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:12.440 with the Fremen and they could be powerful allies, especially 1:08:12.520 --> 1:08:15.520 since he believes there are many, many more of them 1:08:15.560 --> 1:08:19.799 than the Emperor realizes. They exist in vast numbers hidden 1:08:19.840 --> 1:08:24.519 from the Imperial census, so that's kind of threatening. So 1:08:24.640 --> 1:08:28.799 we watched the Attraadees troops being trained to preserve water, 1:08:29.360 --> 1:08:32.000 and we meet a new character. We meet leat Kines, 1:08:32.080 --> 1:08:36.720 the Judge of Change, which means he's supposed to oversee 1:08:36.760 --> 1:08:40.120 the change between Harcone and control of Iracus to a 1:08:40.200 --> 1:08:43.360 Trade's control of Iracus and then report to the lands 1:08:43.479 --> 1:08:48.439 Rad which is like the parliament of this universe, and 1:08:48.479 --> 1:08:51.280 like make sure that everything has been done fairly. But 1:08:51.320 --> 1:08:54.360 he's also an ecologist. He's an Imperial ecologist, and he's 1:08:54.400 --> 1:08:56.640 been on the planet a long time. I might have 1:08:56.680 --> 1:09:00.280 even been born here. He's sort of a daph did 1:09:00.320 --> 1:09:03.160 to Fremen ways and he has blue eyes from the Spice. 1:09:04.000 --> 1:09:06.640 Yeah, and this is of course Max Foncito playing in 1:09:06.680 --> 1:09:09.439 the role, who lived nineteen twenty nine through twenty twenty. 1:09:09.640 --> 1:09:12.240 See our recent episode on Flash Gordon for a longer 1:09:12.240 --> 1:09:15.960 discussion on Max here. But he is as always a 1:09:16.040 --> 1:09:19.639 fine presence in a film, but he is barely in this. 1:09:19.640 --> 1:09:23.400 This character's presence is much reduced. We see a lot 1:09:23.479 --> 1:09:25.920 more of kinds in the recent films, played by Sharon 1:09:25.960 --> 1:09:27.800 Duncan Brewster, who is also. 1:09:27.560 --> 1:09:31.000 Great, yes she is. I wonder why they use so 1:09:31.240 --> 1:09:35.320 little of doctor Kines in this movie. Makes you wonder 1:09:35.320 --> 1:09:36.160 if stuff got cut. 1:09:36.840 --> 1:09:38.760 Oh yeah, I get the feeling. It's just like the 1:09:38.760 --> 1:09:41.439 economy of the cut here. And you know I should 1:09:41.600 --> 1:09:44.040 throw in I've probably mentioned this in the last episode. 1:09:44.120 --> 1:09:49.719 There are those longer unauthorized cuts of nineteen eighty four's 1:09:49.800 --> 1:09:53.920 Dune that Lynch totally disowns. Those are like, you know, 1:09:54.320 --> 1:09:59.519 Smithy directed productions, and I really haven't seen those in full. 1:09:59.600 --> 1:10:02.439 So maybe we can have some listeners ride in with 1:10:02.479 --> 1:10:05.400 their thoughts on deleted scenes that pop up again in 1:10:05.400 --> 1:10:08.960 that longer cut, but certainly in this the only official 1:10:09.000 --> 1:10:12.439 cut of David Lynch's Dune. This character is barely present. 1:10:12.880 --> 1:10:16.280 He is present long enough to observe that Paul wears 1:10:16.320 --> 1:10:18.400 a still suit as if he was born to it. 1:10:18.400 --> 1:10:20.639 Because the you know, the treadees are putting on still 1:10:20.680 --> 1:10:24.240 suits to go out and survey spice production. Paul is 1:10:24.280 --> 1:10:29.000 wearing his like a pro So that's part of a prophecy. Actually, oh, 1:10:29.040 --> 1:10:31.920 how do you even This is actually a good point 1:10:32.040 --> 1:10:35.679 to discuss the way that I think the Lynch movie. 1:10:35.720 --> 1:10:40.719 One way it sort of fails is it it plays 1:10:40.800 --> 1:10:43.320 up a lot about the Spacing Guild that is not 1:10:43.479 --> 1:10:46.439 really in the original Dune novel, But it really under 1:10:46.479 --> 1:10:49.439 sells the role of the Benny Jessert, I think, and 1:10:49.720 --> 1:10:53.400 like their whole plot to like establish like seed these 1:10:53.479 --> 1:10:58.240 prophecies throughout the cultures of the galaxy that would later 1:10:58.439 --> 1:11:01.439 connect to the gear that they're going to use to 1:11:01.479 --> 1:11:06.360 attain power the Quisat's Hatterak. And so they put all 1:11:06.400 --> 1:11:10.639 of these prophecies out among the people, and Paul arrives 1:11:10.680 --> 1:11:13.360 on this planet and is immediately observed by people who 1:11:13.400 --> 1:11:16.519 are familiar with these prophecies to fulfill them. 1:11:16.960 --> 1:11:20.040 Yeah, yeah, like the ground has been prepared for one 1:11:20.120 --> 1:11:23.280 such as he and that's it's an important factor. Yeah, 1:11:23.280 --> 1:11:25.600 that is just not as present in this adaptation. 1:11:26.040 --> 1:11:28.360 And that's something again I really appreciate about the new 1:11:28.400 --> 1:11:31.360 movies is they sort of downplay the role of the 1:11:31.360 --> 1:11:33.320 Spacing Guild and play no. 1:11:33.479 --> 1:11:34.240 I mean, I don't know. 1:11:34.479 --> 1:11:36.519 The Spacing Guild is cool too, so it's not like 1:11:36.560 --> 1:11:38.800 I don't want to see them, but they focus more 1:11:39.360 --> 1:11:42.240 on the plots and politics of the Beni Jesert, which 1:11:42.280 --> 1:11:43.280 I think is a smart move. 1:11:43.840 --> 1:11:44.280 Yeah. 1:11:44.520 --> 1:11:47.960 Anyway, and this is the scene where Leto, Paul and 1:11:48.240 --> 1:11:51.320 Kines go out in a flying machine to observe spice 1:11:51.360 --> 1:11:54.160 harvesters at work. They're seeing, you know, the machines out 1:11:54.200 --> 1:11:56.160 in the desert getting the spice from the sand. But 1:11:56.360 --> 1:11:59.800 uh oh, there is worm sign. This apparently is a 1:11:59.840 --> 1:12:03.720 common thing about how spice production takes place. The harvesters 1:12:03.760 --> 1:12:06.000 will work up until the last minute when a worm 1:12:06.040 --> 1:12:08.160 is about to arrive and eat them, and then they 1:12:08.200 --> 1:12:10.760 will be lifted away by a flying vehicle called a 1:12:10.800 --> 1:12:14.879 carry all and taken to safety. But uh oh, they're 1:12:14.960 --> 1:12:17.880 observing here that a spice harvester is working, a worm 1:12:17.920 --> 1:12:19.880 is on the way, and the carry all that is 1:12:19.880 --> 1:12:23.599 supposed to rescue it has been sabotaged. So Duke Leto 1:12:24.360 --> 1:12:27.120 leads a rescue of the men working the spice harvester 1:12:27.280 --> 1:12:31.559 is leaving the spice behind, rescuing the workers and bringing 1:12:31.560 --> 1:12:34.679 them onto his ornithopter, and then we see a worm 1:12:34.840 --> 1:12:37.760 eat the harvester as they take off, and we hear 1:12:37.840 --> 1:12:40.680 Kine's inner voice saying, Oh, I like this, Duke. He 1:12:40.760 --> 1:12:42.639 left the spice behind and saved the men. 1:12:43.200 --> 1:12:47.040 I talked a lot about ornithopters in Wednesday's short form episode, 1:12:47.600 --> 1:12:51.280 but briefly, I'll just say the ornithopters in the recent 1:12:51.320 --> 1:12:55.640 adaptations are amazing. They're like apache helicopters combined with a 1:12:55.720 --> 1:12:58.519 dragonfly in a way that it's like terrifying. And the 1:12:58.640 --> 1:13:04.080 jestic on the screen in this adaptation, especially the Atreades 1:13:04.160 --> 1:13:08.240 ornithopter is like a big metal berb. You know, it's clunky, 1:13:08.280 --> 1:13:12.120 it's chonky. It's got these little wings that seem decorative 1:13:12.200 --> 1:13:16.679 and not functional. The harconin ornithopters, which I don't even 1:13:16.680 --> 1:13:18.280 know if we really get to see them all that much, 1:13:18.320 --> 1:13:22.280 but the design for those is a lot more interesting, 1:13:22.520 --> 1:13:27.360 but also still doesn't fully embrace the whole flapping of wings. 1:13:27.720 --> 1:13:30.600 Yeah, okay, So we're getting into the plots here, the 1:13:30.640 --> 1:13:33.960 plots against House Atreadees. So first of all, Lady Jessica 1:13:34.040 --> 1:13:37.799 determines that doctor Yua has a secret concerning his wife 1:13:37.920 --> 1:13:40.960 and his hatred of the Harconans, but that is not 1:13:41.040 --> 1:13:45.280 fully fleshed out yet. We get to meet the housekeeper 1:13:45.560 --> 1:13:48.719 on Erken here, the capital of Aracus. This is shout 1:13:48.720 --> 1:13:52.920 out Mapes. Paul tries spice for the first time and 1:13:53.000 --> 1:13:57.080 he has visions the second moon. The sleeper must awaken. 1:13:57.840 --> 1:14:01.040 And we also get the hunter Seeker attack on Paul, 1:14:01.240 --> 1:14:05.599 which is something that's realized in both movie adaptations, where 1:14:05.600 --> 1:14:09.320 there's like this little needleli like mosquito type creature that's 1:14:09.320 --> 1:14:12.400 trying to assassinate Paul and he manages to avoid it. 1:14:12.920 --> 1:14:16.040 Yeah, great sequence in both films and Mapes, by the way, 1:14:16.080 --> 1:14:19.200 is played by Linda Hunt born nineteen forty five Academy 1:14:19.240 --> 1:14:22.320 Award winning actor. She played Billy Kwan in the Year 1:14:22.400 --> 1:14:25.799 Living Dangerously from eighty two, so I have to single 1:14:25.800 --> 1:14:27.120 her out. Yeah. 1:14:27.160 --> 1:14:30.360 So but here we're getting to the Harconin attack. The 1:14:30.680 --> 1:14:35.439 double Cross is in motion now, so there we've received 1:14:35.479 --> 1:14:38.040 word that there was a trader among house the trades, 1:14:38.080 --> 1:14:41.760 and we finally learn it is doctor Yua here and 1:14:41.920 --> 1:14:45.880 there are reasons. So doctor Yua ambushes Duke Leto in 1:14:45.920 --> 1:14:48.599 the night with a with a drugged dart that kind 1:14:48.640 --> 1:14:52.400 of paralyzes him, and then doctor Yua explains his plot. 1:14:53.360 --> 1:14:56.880 He has sabotaged the shields of the city, destroyed the 1:14:56.880 --> 1:14:59.639 weirding modules, and the Harconin troops are. 1:14:59.560 --> 1:15:00.280 On the way. 1:15:00.880 --> 1:15:05.240 But he's like, okay, it's not over, Duke Leto, you 1:15:05.280 --> 1:15:08.400 can still kill Baron Harconin, and he gives Leto the 1:15:08.520 --> 1:15:12.400 poison gas tooth. He tells him, when you see the baron, 1:15:12.520 --> 1:15:15.560 remember the tooth. And this is a great plot point. 1:15:15.760 --> 1:15:18.439 Yeah, the tooth stain is of course fittingly grosser in 1:15:18.520 --> 1:15:22.080 this adaptation, like even when Ua is like getting it 1:15:22.080 --> 1:15:24.200 out of its box to implant it, like it's just 1:15:24.240 --> 1:15:25.920 like this is gonna hurt, This is gonna be a 1:15:25.960 --> 1:15:26.599 little gross. 1:15:26.720 --> 1:15:28.920 The idea is he'll bite down on it when the 1:15:28.960 --> 1:15:32.760 baron leans over him, and that'll spit the poison gas 1:15:32.760 --> 1:15:36.960 in the baron's face and kill him. And we learn, 1:15:37.000 --> 1:15:39.360 of course, doctor Eua is not doing this out of 1:15:39.560 --> 1:15:44.120 maliciousness towards House aitredees, but he wants revenge against the 1:15:44.160 --> 1:15:49.120 baron because the Harconans have have for many years captured 1:15:49.160 --> 1:15:51.640 his wife and have probably murdered her. 1:15:52.240 --> 1:15:54.240 But he has to know for sure, and this is 1:15:54.640 --> 1:15:56.200 this is how he's going to get to know for sure. 1:15:56.240 --> 1:16:00.040 But he's also going to plot the destruction of the 1:16:00.160 --> 1:16:03.200 architect of his wife's probable death right. 1:16:04.000 --> 1:16:07.400 So the attack begins. The Harconin troops here look so creepy. 1:16:07.439 --> 1:16:11.360 They look like welders with these black full hood masks 1:16:11.400 --> 1:16:15.120 with a little green square window in the front, and 1:16:15.200 --> 1:16:19.200 so that looks really creepy. However, the actual violence in 1:16:19.240 --> 1:16:22.560 this battle scene is not very cool. It is mostly 1:16:22.680 --> 1:16:24.280 i think, unintentionally funny. 1:16:24.960 --> 1:16:26.080 Yeah, it's a little hockey. 1:16:26.760 --> 1:16:29.720 Baron Harconin leaves Paul and Jessica with pyder devrees with 1:16:29.800 --> 1:16:32.519 instructions to kill them. They are sent off to the 1:16:32.560 --> 1:16:35.639 desert to be left there to be eaten by worms, 1:16:35.680 --> 1:16:38.479 so there will be no evidence this was doctor Uey's idea. 1:16:38.840 --> 1:16:40.960 But actually it turns out doctor yue has been trying 1:16:40.960 --> 1:16:44.519 to protect them. He has packed still suits for them, 1:16:44.880 --> 1:16:48.320 and Paul and Jessica use the benijesrit voice to command 1:16:48.400 --> 1:16:52.760 the Harconin troops and escape into the desert. Meanwhile, Duke 1:16:52.840 --> 1:16:55.839 Letto's tooth strike against the Baron is about to unfold. 1:16:55.920 --> 1:17:00.280 The barons there gloating over him, but it failed to 1:17:00.280 --> 1:17:03.400 get the baron. Instead, it kills Pyder degrees, it kills 1:17:03.439 --> 1:17:07.400 the house harcone in Mintat played by Brad Duraf and 1:17:07.640 --> 1:17:10.839 the baron we get his reaction where he's like, I'm alive, 1:17:11.320 --> 1:17:12.520 I'm alive. 1:17:12.439 --> 1:17:18.679 Floating in the air, screaming. So inspiring the poison tooth sequence, 1:17:18.720 --> 1:17:21.519 at least when they have when they refer back to 1:17:21.560 --> 1:17:25.120 it visually, it is as you might expect, far more 1:17:25.160 --> 1:17:28.400 grotesque in this adaptation, because we see that like it's 1:17:28.400 --> 1:17:32.240 like an explosion of gas, caustic gas has gone off 1:17:32.560 --> 1:17:35.400 in the Duke's mouth and is like eaten through his cheek. 1:17:35.479 --> 1:17:37.679 Even so, it's grim stuff. 1:17:38.200 --> 1:17:40.000 Now, I know we've been dwelling on a lot of 1:17:40.000 --> 1:17:42.679 detail in the plot, so I think maybe we should 1:17:42.680 --> 1:17:45.240 shift into moving a little more quickly through the movie. 1:17:45.360 --> 1:17:47.080 And this is a good place to do it because 1:17:47.120 --> 1:17:50.760 this is also where the movie starts moving much more 1:17:50.840 --> 1:17:53.479 quickly through the plot. And this I think is a 1:17:54.160 --> 1:17:57.960 fair major criticism of the eighty four Dune is that 1:17:58.040 --> 1:18:02.600 somewhere around right here, the things start happening way too fast. 1:18:03.400 --> 1:18:07.040 Becomes fragmentary and kind of feels like done the scrap 1:18:07.080 --> 1:18:09.640 book leading up to like the final confrontation. 1:18:09.960 --> 1:18:12.840 Yes, yes, okay. So Paul and Jessica escape into the desert. 1:18:12.920 --> 1:18:15.439 They go to the forbidden South Polar regions. They're trying 1:18:15.479 --> 1:18:18.280 to avoid being eaten by a worm. And this is 1:18:18.280 --> 1:18:21.240 where Paul really like, he gets he gets deep spice, 1:18:21.479 --> 1:18:24.519 exposure to spice. In the desert, he sees the second Moon, 1:18:25.479 --> 1:18:28.040 you know. He hears the voice saying the Sleeper must awaken. 1:18:28.320 --> 1:18:30.600 He sees a hand reaching from space. He knows the 1:18:30.640 --> 1:18:33.640 Emperor and the Guild want him destroyed, and finally he 1:18:33.640 --> 1:18:36.599 hears that they will call him wad Deep. So that's 1:18:36.800 --> 1:18:40.000 a premonition of everything to come. And he realizes that 1:18:40.040 --> 1:18:42.760 the spice is in everything on the planet, and the 1:18:42.760 --> 1:18:45.639 spice is changing him. It's causing him to reach his 1:18:45.680 --> 1:18:49.000 potential as the Chosen One, and he knows the future 1:18:49.080 --> 1:18:53.400 and his own terrible destiny. Also revealed here is that Jessica, 1:18:53.520 --> 1:18:57.200 Lady Jessica, is pregnant with Paul's sister, who is also 1:18:57.400 --> 1:19:00.840 faded for greatness in some way, and there's adventure in 1:19:00.880 --> 1:19:03.360 the desert. As Paul and Jessica travel across the sand 1:19:03.520 --> 1:19:06.280 trying to avoid worms. They have to, of course, do 1:19:06.400 --> 1:19:10.240 the Fremen walk to walk without rhythm on the sand. 1:19:10.800 --> 1:19:12.439 And here we do see the. 1:19:12.320 --> 1:19:15.439 Worm in its full glory while it's chasing them. We 1:19:15.439 --> 1:19:18.600 see its trifled maw leaping out from the sand, and 1:19:18.600 --> 1:19:21.760 it's design is almost like a flower with like petals 1:19:21.840 --> 1:19:25.160 opening around this toothy mouth. I really do like the 1:19:25.200 --> 1:19:26.960 design of the worms in this movie. I think I 1:19:27.000 --> 1:19:30.000 think they look great. They're scary and menacing. Some of 1:19:30.040 --> 1:19:34.400 the worm riding scenes, however, are are quite funny and 1:19:34.520 --> 1:19:37.040 don't don't really have the same grandeur as when you're 1:19:37.040 --> 1:19:41.320 just seeing the worm in its opening mouth. Also somewhere 1:19:41.360 --> 1:19:43.960 in the sequence we first see the use I think 1:19:44.040 --> 1:19:47.719 of the thumper, a very important technology in this movie. 1:19:48.160 --> 1:19:51.880 Thumpers are huge in this movie, like then, and it works. 1:19:51.920 --> 1:19:54.960 Like you'll often see on the poster. There's Paul Adrades 1:19:55.240 --> 1:19:58.000 with something slung across his back in the desert. That's 1:19:58.040 --> 1:20:02.400 the thumper. So yeah, it's big, no criticism, it's just 1:20:02.439 --> 1:20:05.400 a big idea of what these things look like. 1:20:05.960 --> 1:20:09.240 So Paul and Jessica come across a Fremen seat, a 1:20:09.320 --> 1:20:13.400 Fremen encampment in the rocks. So they find man car 1:20:13.520 --> 1:20:16.120 steps and they go into the rocks and they just 1:20:16.200 --> 1:20:17.960 kind of walk up on it and all of the 1:20:18.040 --> 1:20:21.760 Freemen are there, like assembled, waiting for them, eyes glowing blue. 1:20:21.840 --> 1:20:24.799 It's almost like they're standing at attention for their arrival. 1:20:25.280 --> 1:20:27.519 And here we meet still Gar, the leader of the 1:20:27.560 --> 1:20:30.519 Fremen group, and we're also going to meet Channi of 1:20:30.640 --> 1:20:31.080 the Fremen. 1:20:31.439 --> 1:20:34.160 Yeah. So still Gar is played by Everett McGill born 1:20:34.240 --> 1:20:37.200 nineteen forty five, accomplished American character actor with a very 1:20:37.280 --> 1:20:40.960 signature look. His other credits include eighty one's Quest for Fire, 1:20:41.320 --> 1:20:44.960 eighty five, Silver Bullet, The Stephen King Werewolf Movie, eighty 1:20:45.000 --> 1:20:48.799 six is Heartbreak Ridge, nineteen eighty Seven's Werewolf, eighty nine's 1:20:48.800 --> 1:20:52.519 Licensed to Kill, Twin Peaks nineteen ninety ones, The People 1:20:52.600 --> 1:20:57.479 Under the Stairs, Under Siege Too, and Lynches the straight story. Again, 1:20:57.600 --> 1:21:00.799 not really fair to compare this performance to Javier Bardam 1:21:00.880 --> 1:21:04.240 Stillgar in the New movies, because he, again, like a 1:21:04.240 --> 1:21:05.840 lot of these characters, he had a lot more room 1:21:05.840 --> 1:21:08.120 to breathe, and there's a lot more space for that 1:21:08.240 --> 1:21:09.160 character to come alive. 1:21:09.360 --> 1:21:12.479 Yeah, this is speed still gar Yeah, I guess we 1:21:12.479 --> 1:21:14.280 should go ahead and introduce Channi as well. 1:21:14.720 --> 1:21:18.320 Yeah. Chani is played by Sean Young born nineteen fifty nine, 1:21:18.360 --> 1:21:21.439 American actress who had previously appeared in nineteen eighty one 1:21:21.520 --> 1:21:24.960 Stripes and more importantly eighty two's Blade Runner as the 1:21:25.000 --> 1:21:29.120 replicant Rachel. Subsequent roles included eighty seven's No Way Out 1:21:29.160 --> 1:21:32.000 in Wall Street, ninety one's A Kiss Before Dying, ninety 1:21:32.000 --> 1:21:35.559 four's Ace Venture a pet detective, and more recently Blade 1:21:35.600 --> 1:21:39.559 Runner twenty forty nine. In another case, hard to compare 1:21:39.600 --> 1:21:42.720 this Channey to the recent film where Zindia does a 1:21:42.720 --> 1:21:46.719 great job playing a more complex and I think arguably 1:21:46.760 --> 1:21:49.679 stronger vision of this character. That Chani is a strong 1:21:49.760 --> 1:21:53.040 character in this nineteen sixty five novel, but I think 1:21:53.080 --> 1:21:55.680 some of her strengths had to be updated for like 1:21:55.720 --> 1:21:58.680 a modern audience. Well, also in the new movie. 1:21:59.000 --> 1:22:01.559 I think you could argue in part two is is 1:22:02.240 --> 1:22:05.560 you get a lot of the story from Channie's perspective, 1:22:05.600 --> 1:22:07.960 which makes a lot of sense. That's a good way 1:22:08.000 --> 1:22:12.160 to frame it, to see like the way Paul changes. Yeah, 1:22:12.880 --> 1:22:15.679 so I think that that was a really strong choice. 1:22:16.000 --> 1:22:18.840 And like you said, Zendeia is great in the new one, 1:22:19.280 --> 1:22:21.920 I don't want to as is Javi or Barden. Also, 1:22:21.960 --> 1:22:25.080 they're both fantastic in the new movie. I don't want 1:22:25.080 --> 1:22:28.840 to blame Sean Young and Everett McGill for the shortcomings 1:22:28.840 --> 1:22:30.760 of these characters in this version. I think it is 1:22:30.840 --> 1:22:32.640 not the fault of the actors. I think it is 1:22:32.680 --> 1:22:35.040 the fault of the script and the editing that, like, 1:22:35.360 --> 1:22:39.559 these actors are just not given time to portray these characters. 1:22:39.560 --> 1:22:42.679 In the movie, it's just just lightning speed editing from 1:22:42.720 --> 1:22:45.200 now on. So, like what happens when they arrive at 1:22:45.240 --> 1:22:49.240 the siege is that, you know still Gar. He's like, oh, hi, 1:22:49.320 --> 1:22:50.800 I'm still Gar. You know I'm the leader of the 1:22:50.840 --> 1:22:52.920 Fremen group. The boy man will be taken into the 1:22:52.960 --> 1:22:56.439 tribe and then Lady Jessica like grabs him by the throat. 1:22:56.520 --> 1:22:59.679 Paul scrambles. He says, oh, she has the weirding way. 1:22:59.720 --> 1:23:01.519 If you can do this to the strongest of us, 1:23:01.520 --> 1:23:04.479 you're worth ten times your weight in water. And then 1:23:04.520 --> 1:23:06.600 still Gar says, teach us the Weirding way, and you 1:23:06.600 --> 1:23:11.000 shall have sanctuary, and Jessica accepts, and Paul meets Channida. 1:23:11.439 --> 1:23:15.000 Channi is the daughter of the at kinds. She's a 1:23:15.080 --> 1:23:18.559 member of the Fremen tribe here and you know he 1:23:18.640 --> 1:23:21.599 has seen her before in dreams and premonitions, like a 1:23:21.640 --> 1:23:24.960 warrior of great bravery and great beauty. Kyle, of course, 1:23:25.040 --> 1:23:28.800 is smitten. Here they introduced to Stilgar. You know, it's 1:23:28.840 --> 1:23:30.920 all going to be. You're welcomed by the people. Oh, 1:23:30.960 --> 1:23:33.120 you need a new name. Your name will be Ussel, 1:23:33.200 --> 1:23:35.599 that is the pillar of strength. Oh but what else 1:23:35.600 --> 1:23:38.360 can be your name? Your name will be wad deeb. 1:23:38.760 --> 1:23:41.759 Paul picks that because it's the name of the desert mouse, 1:23:41.960 --> 1:23:44.639 whose figure is seen on the second moon of the planet. 1:23:45.400 --> 1:23:48.600 And so they're brought into these subterranean caverns where the 1:23:48.600 --> 1:23:51.439 Fremen live. They discover that the Freemen have huge caches 1:23:51.479 --> 1:23:55.280 of water they are collecting from the atmosphere via wind traps, 1:23:55.360 --> 1:23:56.920 these vast pools in the dark. 1:23:57.479 --> 1:23:58.400 And this whole. 1:23:58.160 --> 1:24:01.519 Sequence where Jessica and Paul are welcomed into the Fremen world. 1:24:02.600 --> 1:24:04.519 You know, the cast is doing the best they can. 1:24:04.600 --> 1:24:07.759 The sets are cool and stuff, but it is so rushed. 1:24:07.880 --> 1:24:10.880 The introductions are not given a chance to breathe. It's 1:24:10.920 --> 1:24:13.599 just like, hi, oh wow, you were really strong. Now 1:24:13.640 --> 1:24:15.559 you're one of us. Here are all our secrets. I 1:24:15.600 --> 1:24:18.320 love you, and it it comes so fast. 1:24:18.479 --> 1:24:21.160 Yeah, the new has a lot more time to work 1:24:21.200 --> 1:24:24.240 with this part of the story, with Paul and Jessica 1:24:24.360 --> 1:24:29.559 gradually changing from you know, endangered outsiders to tentative allies 1:24:29.600 --> 1:24:32.439 to the fremen, to valued members of a movement to 1:24:32.560 --> 1:24:36.920 members of its people, to leaders, and eventually, in Paul's case, 1:24:37.120 --> 1:24:38.120 to Messiah. 1:24:38.160 --> 1:24:40.599 What is at least half the run time of this 1:24:41.160 --> 1:24:44.280 recent movie is like, I don't know, five minutes in 1:24:44.360 --> 1:24:55.840 this metle Okay, let's check in on the Harkonins because 1:24:55.840 --> 1:24:59.639 they're doing some really good stuff here. So we come 1:24:59.640 --> 1:25:02.759 into the They're on Arakine, I think, and Vladimir Harkonen 1:25:02.880 --> 1:25:05.799 is laughing crazily as he flies around a big machine 1:25:05.800 --> 1:25:09.200 in his levitation suit. Rabon, who is supposed to be 1:25:09.240 --> 1:25:12.360 running spice production on the planet, he walks up to 1:25:12.960 --> 1:25:16.040 this is what happens. There's like a dead cow hanging 1:25:16.080 --> 1:25:19.400 from the ceiling, and Rabon walks up to the dead 1:25:19.479 --> 1:25:23.240 cow peels off. Part of its face, starts eating the 1:25:23.280 --> 1:25:27.519 cowface raw. Then the Baron tells Rabon to be harsh 1:25:27.560 --> 1:25:30.880 and brutal in ruling Aracus. And while he's saying this, 1:25:30.960 --> 1:25:34.400 he's like reaching his fingers into Rabond's mouth to like 1:25:34.520 --> 1:25:38.080 play with the chewed up cow face as he explains. 1:25:37.560 --> 1:25:40.320 This, Yeah, I have no words. 1:25:42.120 --> 1:25:45.920 Then Rabon leaves, Then out comes Fade, wearing like this 1:25:46.160 --> 1:25:51.599 wings of Victory speedo. That's amazing, top all time top 1:25:51.680 --> 1:25:57.080 five movie speedo. Yeah, and the Baron reveals that after 1:25:57.160 --> 1:25:59.800 Rabon has become despised by the people of Doune, he's 1:25:59.800 --> 1:26:01.840 going to give the planet to Fade so that he 1:26:01.880 --> 1:26:03.480 can be loved by contrast. 1:26:04.320 --> 1:26:07.320 Yep, yep, that's the whole plan. I mean, that's part 1:26:07.320 --> 1:26:09.200 of the plan. It is legitimately part of the plan. 1:26:09.640 --> 1:26:13.040 The Rabond's gonna crush the planet, get the spice levels up, 1:26:13.160 --> 1:26:16.160 the spice production levels up. Everyone's gonna hate him, and 1:26:16.200 --> 1:26:18.240 then Fade's going to come in as the savior and 1:26:18.280 --> 1:26:21.200 will be at least to some degree beloved by the people, 1:26:21.280 --> 1:26:24.760 or as much as you can love a hard conan despot. 1:26:25.200 --> 1:26:28.559 Yeah, and by the Baron's face boils. Just keep looking 1:26:28.560 --> 1:26:33.040 worse and worse. We also see here the captured Soufir 1:26:33.080 --> 1:26:36.479 hawat the mintat of house the Treades. They explained to 1:26:36.560 --> 1:26:39.599 him that he must milk a hairless cat that has 1:26:39.640 --> 1:26:42.320 a rat taped to it every day in order to 1:26:42.360 --> 1:26:45.120 acquire the antidote to a poison that the Hearks have 1:26:45.160 --> 1:26:46.000 given him. 1:26:48.320 --> 1:26:52.880 Yeah, this is also unnecessary and so weird, especially the 1:26:52.920 --> 1:26:55.920 cat rat thing. It almost feels like Lynch is trolling 1:26:56.000 --> 1:26:59.960 us a little bit. In the book, this basic situation exis, 1:27:00.160 --> 1:27:04.559 but it's essentially just a poison anecdote con like, hey, 1:27:05.680 --> 1:27:08.599 loyal a tradees nintet, you have to work for us now, 1:27:09.160 --> 1:27:11.280 isn't that delightful? And if you don't, you're going to 1:27:11.360 --> 1:27:14.600 die because of this poison in your system. And they 1:27:14.640 --> 1:27:18.760 apparently filmed sequences of this plot line for Dune Part 1:27:18.800 --> 1:27:21.040 two and just had to cut it for time, which 1:27:21.400 --> 1:27:23.800 you know, is a shame, but I guess understandable given 1:27:23.840 --> 1:27:25.240 them all that's going on in the movie. 1:27:25.560 --> 1:27:29.479 Yeah. So, back at the Seech of the Fremen, Lady 1:27:29.560 --> 1:27:32.519 Jessica is offered a chance to become the reverend Mother 1:27:32.600 --> 1:27:35.120 of the Seech, but to do so, she has to 1:27:35.200 --> 1:27:39.519 drink the poisonous water of life and survive, and this 1:27:39.560 --> 1:27:42.960 calls back to a prophecy about the Quisat's hatterak that 1:27:43.000 --> 1:27:46.000 young Paul would drink the water of life and survive. 1:27:46.200 --> 1:27:49.200 Other men who have tried have died, but maybe Paul 1:27:49.280 --> 1:27:52.519 could survive it as well. But before that, Lady Jessica 1:27:52.560 --> 1:27:55.760 has to drink it. She does, and this causes her 1:27:55.840 --> 1:27:58.920 later to give birth to When she gives birth to 1:27:58.960 --> 1:28:02.519 her daughter named all Alia, is like born with all 1:28:02.560 --> 1:28:05.160 the knowledge and power of a reverend mother, and like 1:28:05.280 --> 1:28:08.679 matures very rapidly, so we've got like a super genius 1:28:08.760 --> 1:28:11.320 Benny jesser At baby and that's just that's just not 1:28:11.400 --> 1:28:16.920 what you want, abomination. She's scary as heck when we 1:28:16.920 --> 1:28:20.439 see her later in the in the finale, it's one 1:28:20.439 --> 1:28:22.599 of the creepiest things ever committed to film. 1:28:23.240 --> 1:28:26.960 Yeah, yeah, she is super creepy. Herbert in general likes 1:28:27.439 --> 1:28:32.439 creepy super babies and super creepy super children. They pop 1:28:32.520 --> 1:28:38.040 up elsewhere in the dooone novels. Obviously, DV went in 1:28:38.080 --> 1:28:41.360 a slightly different direction with the way this is portrayed 1:28:41.400 --> 1:28:45.840 in the film, and uh, again interesting, I think it's 1:28:45.880 --> 1:28:49.280 interesting what they did. It'll be also interesting to see 1:28:49.280 --> 1:28:55.320 how this is incorporated into subsequent adaptations of especially done Messiah. Yeah. 1:28:55.640 --> 1:28:58.320 Also here we see more of Paul and Johnny falling 1:28:58.320 --> 1:28:58.679 in love. 1:28:59.120 --> 1:29:00.080 But also we get. 1:29:00.040 --> 1:29:03.479 Addressing the assembled Frimen fighters and he's like, hey, look, 1:29:03.479 --> 1:29:05.880 we got a common enemy, the Harconans. We've got to 1:29:05.920 --> 1:29:07.880 destroy him. My mom and I are going to teach 1:29:07.920 --> 1:29:10.679 you the Weirding Way. We've got to attack and destroy 1:29:10.720 --> 1:29:13.479 the spice trade. So we see a lot of weirding 1:29:13.520 --> 1:29:16.679 Way training sessions with the weirding module where they're saying 1:29:16.720 --> 1:29:19.200 like chucked sah and it you know, makes it shoot 1:29:19.280 --> 1:29:22.759 a little blast out that they say will paralyzed nerves, 1:29:22.760 --> 1:29:26.639 shatter bones, set fires, suffocate an enemy, or burst his organs, 1:29:27.160 --> 1:29:29.720 and they're just going to keep on attacking the Harconins 1:29:29.760 --> 1:29:32.639 until they have victory. This is also the my name 1:29:32.720 --> 1:29:35.120 is a killing word scene where he discovers that in 1:29:35.120 --> 1:29:38.240 the name wadde but will like make things break and shatter. 1:29:38.640 --> 1:29:41.400 All right, we're getting the troops together, We're gonna we're 1:29:41.400 --> 1:29:46.120 gonna bring spice production to its knees and eventually take 1:29:46.120 --> 1:29:46.960 out the Hearken Its. 1:29:47.000 --> 1:29:49.960 Okay, Now we also get the worm taming scene here 1:29:50.080 --> 1:29:52.799 where Paul has to go learn to ride a worm, 1:29:52.840 --> 1:29:54.960 because you can't be a true Fremen unless you can 1:29:55.040 --> 1:29:55.639 ride a worm. 1:29:56.320 --> 1:29:58.280 And so we go. He goes out with his. 1:29:58.320 --> 1:30:01.920 Worm riding materials, the thumper, the hooks, which are a 1:30:01.960 --> 1:30:04.920 gift from the Siet, and the freemen are gathered on 1:30:05.000 --> 1:30:08.120 the sand dune looking on. Stillgar has a very cold look, 1:30:08.800 --> 1:30:11.280 but Paul like he sets the thumber going, he does 1:30:11.320 --> 1:30:14.439 the litany against fear. They realize he has called a 1:30:14.680 --> 1:30:17.160 very big worm, and this is again along with the 1:30:17.160 --> 1:30:19.599 prophecies of what the Fremen called the lisan Al Kayib, 1:30:20.280 --> 1:30:23.120 you know, the voice from the outer world, the messiah 1:30:23.160 --> 1:30:27.519 figure they're waiting for. So we get some shots of 1:30:27.560 --> 1:30:30.559 Paul getting onto the worm, like using the hooks and 1:30:30.640 --> 1:30:33.639 rolling over on the top. Not the best looking shots 1:30:33.640 --> 1:30:36.320 in the movie. A couple of these do look kind 1:30:36.320 --> 1:30:38.280 of kind of cheap, But then when we see the 1:30:38.320 --> 1:30:41.839 worm by itself, it looks awesome and the flower petals 1:30:41.880 --> 1:30:45.400 open and we see the big mouth, heavy dune theme 1:30:45.520 --> 1:30:49.240 playing on the soundtrack. As like, Stillgar comes to climb 1:30:49.280 --> 1:30:52.120 the trailing rope behind Paul and join him on the worm. 1:30:53.080 --> 1:30:55.160 But Rob, I think we may have alluded to this earlier. 1:30:55.439 --> 1:30:58.439 There is a very funny soundtrack moment here where like 1:30:58.479 --> 1:31:01.160 the heavy horns of the dune theme give way to 1:31:01.439 --> 1:31:05.920 rock and distorted guitars. And I enjoy this because it's funny, 1:31:05.920 --> 1:31:08.160 but I don't think it quite has the intended effect. 1:31:08.680 --> 1:31:11.759 Yeah, yeah, it's a little, a little goofy. In general. 1:31:11.880 --> 1:31:14.920 I have to reiterate love the Toto score. I have 1:31:15.080 --> 1:31:17.240 listened to it all the way through a couple of 1:31:17.280 --> 1:31:20.599 times since we recorded part one of This Weird House. 1:31:21.920 --> 1:31:24.439 But yeah, it's a little little comical here with the guitar. 1:31:24.760 --> 1:31:27.599 Oh Man, that desert I mean, it's right on the edge, 1:31:27.640 --> 1:31:32.120 like that desert theme. It is pure velveta like it 1:31:32.200 --> 1:31:36.400 is so smooth and cheesy and rock yacht rock sounding. 1:31:36.560 --> 1:31:40.240 But it's also great and it fills me with feelings. 1:31:40.280 --> 1:31:44.080 I can't deny it. Yeah, So a bunch of time passes. 1:31:44.120 --> 1:31:46.640 We see Paul and Stilgar leading from an attacks on 1:31:46.680 --> 1:31:49.479 the Harken and Spice mining operations. You know, they're using 1:31:49.520 --> 1:31:52.200 the weirding modules to say boom and zap and make 1:31:52.280 --> 1:31:57.880 things explode. And then of course Paul thinks he is 1:31:57.960 --> 1:32:00.360 going to be able to get his revenge, because when 1:32:00.360 --> 1:32:03.439 the spice flow stops, that's going to summon the Baron 1:32:03.479 --> 1:32:05.479 and the Emperor to the planet because they're going to 1:32:05.680 --> 1:32:09.080 come there be forced to deal with us. Yeah, of 1:32:09.120 --> 1:32:11.320 course the Baron and the Emperor become aware of this 1:32:11.360 --> 1:32:15.160 figure called wad Deeb that like they're wounded fighters come 1:32:15.200 --> 1:32:18.360 back to them and they're muttering what deep, what deep? 1:32:18.720 --> 1:32:20.920 So like who is this guy? And you know, they're like, 1:32:20.960 --> 1:32:24.840 we've got to destroy him. We get some more voiceover 1:32:24.880 --> 1:32:27.960 from Virginia Madsen telling us that wad Deeb and the 1:32:27.960 --> 1:32:33.080 freemen pretty much completely shut down spice production and that 1:32:33.280 --> 1:32:35.680 Rabon is trying to hide this from his uncle but 1:32:35.720 --> 1:32:39.519 apparently not succeeding, and things are getting really dire so 1:32:39.520 --> 1:32:41.320 soon I think the Emperor is going to have to come. 1:32:41.400 --> 1:32:44.240 Oh but before that, we get Paul's reunion with Gurney 1:32:44.280 --> 1:32:47.439 Halleck with Patrick Stewart. They like run into each other. 1:32:47.439 --> 1:32:50.920 I guess Gurney Halleck is now working for the Harconins 1:32:51.000 --> 1:32:55.200 or working maybe independently as like a spice harvester protector 1:32:55.240 --> 1:32:59.160 here in the desert, and Paul and Gurney run into 1:32:59.160 --> 1:33:02.240 one another and reuni. Of course, Gurney thought Paul was 1:33:02.280 --> 1:33:05.120 dead this whole time. By the way, there is maximum 1:33:05.120 --> 1:33:08.320 Toto all over the soundtrack in the background of this section, 1:33:08.600 --> 1:33:12.679 overdriven guitars wailing the whole thing, and eventually we see 1:33:12.720 --> 1:33:16.160 the circumstances they're going to drive us toward the terrible conclusion. 1:33:16.280 --> 1:33:20.280 So back at the Imperial Palace, the Spacing Guild shows 1:33:20.320 --> 1:33:22.720 back up once again to harass the Emperor some more. 1:33:23.800 --> 1:33:26.400 No guild navigator this time, it's only like the Holy 1:33:26.479 --> 1:33:29.880 Brotherhood of has Matt in their industrial religious looking robes. 1:33:30.680 --> 1:33:34.600 Once again, they speak a foreign language that is like 1:33:34.680 --> 1:33:38.479 automatically translated by this weird microphone and the language itself. 1:33:38.520 --> 1:33:41.360 I was listening to it. It sounds like kind of feral, 1:33:41.479 --> 1:33:44.519 so there's kind of grunts and snarling like a wild animal, 1:33:44.560 --> 1:33:50.080 but also notes of igor in the monster Masha, and 1:33:50.160 --> 1:33:53.960 so they speak to him, and the conversation very much 1:33:54.000 --> 1:33:56.599 has the effect of wait, who's the emperor here, because 1:33:56.640 --> 1:33:59.840 the Spacing Guild is really browbeating him. They're like, look, 1:34:00.080 --> 1:34:03.160 you don't get the spice mining back under control immediately, 1:34:03.840 --> 1:34:05.400 you are going to live out the rest of your 1:34:05.439 --> 1:34:08.280 life in a pain amplifier. I don't know what a 1:34:08.280 --> 1:34:10.360 pain amplifier is, but I get the idea. 1:34:10.720 --> 1:34:12.880 Yeah, I feel like they this is a moment where 1:34:12.880 --> 1:34:15.599 they kind of overplay the power of the Guild here 1:34:15.880 --> 1:34:18.720 because altimate, I mean, the Guild is very powerful in 1:34:18.760 --> 1:34:21.720 the Dune universe, but so is the Benajestrit, so is 1:34:21.760 --> 1:34:25.920 House Carino. So everything is in kind of like a 1:34:25.960 --> 1:34:30.760 precarious balance of power, yes, and here we're just kind 1:34:30.800 --> 1:34:33.800 of like, yeah, the Guild pushes everybody around, which is 1:34:33.640 --> 1:34:35.760 is not really the flavor of the Guild and the 1:34:36.080 --> 1:34:37.120 actual source material. 1:34:37.560 --> 1:34:40.160 I totally agree, But I also do like that the 1:34:40.200 --> 1:34:43.960 Emperor is not portrayed as just all powerful, that he 1:34:44.160 --> 1:34:47.479 has factions that he must appease. And you know, if, 1:34:47.600 --> 1:34:49.960 like if the lands Rod and the Space and Guild 1:34:50.000 --> 1:34:52.360 and people are turning against him, that is a threat 1:34:52.360 --> 1:34:55.040 to him. And it's not like he can just crush 1:34:55.080 --> 1:34:57.920 them all. That's true anyway. So the Emperor is going 1:34:58.000 --> 1:35:01.120 to take Sardikar to the planet. He's like, I know 1:35:01.160 --> 1:35:03.320 how we're going to deal with this complete destruction of 1:35:03.360 --> 1:35:04.479 every life on the planet. 1:35:04.520 --> 1:35:06.320 We're just gonna just destroy them all. 1:35:07.439 --> 1:35:09.920 Meanwhile, we get the sequence where Paul is finally going 1:35:09.960 --> 1:35:12.880 to fulfill the prophecy and drink the water of life. 1:35:13.240 --> 1:35:15.479 Of course, he tells Channi that he had a vision 1:35:15.479 --> 1:35:17.759 and he must do this. She doesn't like the idea, 1:35:18.160 --> 1:35:20.040 but he thinks he has no choice. He's got to 1:35:20.040 --> 1:35:22.120 do it. So Paul is let out into the desert. 1:35:22.920 --> 1:35:25.000 Chany pledges her love to him, and they give him 1:35:25.000 --> 1:35:27.599 the water of life to drink, and he has many 1:35:27.640 --> 1:35:30.479 more visions of like you know, water dripping in a cavern, 1:35:30.560 --> 1:35:33.120 in the mouth of a worm opening, and I like 1:35:33.160 --> 1:35:35.120 how the mouth of the worm is intercut with an 1:35:35.160 --> 1:35:37.479 extreme close up of a human eye, so like the 1:35:37.520 --> 1:35:41.240 worm's mouth is like the pupil within the iris. I 1:35:41.240 --> 1:35:42.200 thought that was pretty cool. 1:35:42.640 --> 1:35:44.680 And here come the worm jets, because I think this 1:35:44.720 --> 1:35:47.559 is where we get the track that Eno collaborated on. 1:35:48.000 --> 1:35:50.600 Oh interesting with the visions. 1:35:50.240 --> 1:35:52.040 Here, I think so, I think so. 1:35:53.160 --> 1:35:56.720 But worms gather from the desert around the frimend to 1:35:56.760 --> 1:35:59.479 sort of keep a vigil beside Paul, and they don't attack. 1:35:59.560 --> 1:36:02.800 It's almost if the worms are showing reverence from what 1:36:03.000 --> 1:36:06.640 deep And eventually he is awakened in Chinese arms with 1:36:06.840 --> 1:36:10.040 a new sense of determination and terrible purpose. He's ready 1:36:10.040 --> 1:36:12.479 to be the messiah of the Fremen now, and he 1:36:12.560 --> 1:36:15.160 stands before them in this great underground hall and gives 1:36:15.200 --> 1:36:17.639 a speech that is in some ways kind of powerful, 1:36:17.680 --> 1:36:23.760 but unfortunately contains the sentence a storm is coming. Oh man, 1:36:24.040 --> 1:36:26.519 if writers just to skip over that one, you don't 1:36:26.600 --> 1:36:31.559 need the storm is coming. Yeah, but his kind of difference, 1:36:31.640 --> 1:36:33.360 he's like, you know, when it arrives, it will shake 1:36:33.400 --> 1:36:36.559 the universe. He swears vengeance against the Emperor and chance 1:36:36.680 --> 1:36:40.720 long live the fighters. So the Freemen warriors stream out 1:36:40.760 --> 1:36:43.320 of their seech and prepare for war, and we also 1:36:43.320 --> 1:36:46.000 see the Emperor in his Sardikar arriving on Oracus from 1:36:46.000 --> 1:36:49.320 deep space with the help of the Guild Highliners, and 1:36:49.680 --> 1:36:53.200 the final battle comes about. So the Fremen Mountain assault 1:36:53.200 --> 1:36:56.920 on Arakan, led by Paul Stilgar and Gurney Halleck. They 1:36:56.920 --> 1:37:00.840 will use the atreades house atomics as well as the 1:37:00.880 --> 1:37:04.240 power of the worm. So they deploy all these thumpers 1:37:04.280 --> 1:37:07.240 and some of what Stilgar calls worm sign the likes 1:37:07.280 --> 1:37:09.120 of which God has never seen. 1:37:10.360 --> 1:37:13.080 Yeah, I don't know. I'm not going to geek out 1:37:13.120 --> 1:37:15.280 on a bunch of din stuff Bett. Yeah, I don't 1:37:15.360 --> 1:37:16.960 like that line, and I don't think of a freeman 1:37:17.000 --> 1:37:18.280 would say it like quite like that. 1:37:18.520 --> 1:37:21.240 I don't think so either. Yeah, that's a little uncharacteristic. 1:37:21.320 --> 1:37:24.160 But the worms are cool here. I like the way 1:37:24.160 --> 1:37:26.679 the worms are depicted is coming into the battle. 1:37:27.120 --> 1:37:30.559 Oh yeah, I love the addition of having these kind 1:37:30.560 --> 1:37:34.639 of like static electrical discharges in the air around them. Yeah, 1:37:34.760 --> 1:37:35.679 it looks really cool. 1:37:36.080 --> 1:37:38.639 As the battle is going on, there's a confrontation between 1:37:38.680 --> 1:37:42.320 Baron Harkonen and the Emperor. The Emperor has killed Raban 1:37:42.560 --> 1:37:45.200 and like stuck his head on a big spike, and 1:37:45.240 --> 1:37:49.400 then he's gathered people in his portable throne room. So 1:37:49.720 --> 1:37:52.400 they got Princess Erilan there, the Reverend mother, a bunch 1:37:52.439 --> 1:37:55.679 of Sardokar members of the Space and Guild. The Emperor 1:37:55.680 --> 1:37:58.479 gives the baron a very um disappointed in you speech. 1:38:00.000 --> 1:38:02.519 Before the Baron can suffer a similar fate to Rebond, 1:38:02.560 --> 1:38:05.839 they are interrupted by the arrival of someone in black robes. 1:38:06.200 --> 1:38:09.759 It is a child. Uh oh, it's Paul's sister Alia, 1:38:09.920 --> 1:38:14.120 and she is instantly so so unsettlingly creepy, with this 1:38:14.280 --> 1:38:18.040 horrible voice voiced by an adult. I think we actually 1:38:18.080 --> 1:38:21.240 see her talk her voice. I would describe it like 1:38:21.400 --> 1:38:24.360 putting on a shoe and then feeling something start moving 1:38:24.479 --> 1:38:25.280 under your toes. 1:38:25.960 --> 1:38:30.680 You know. Yeah, this kid is perfectly unsettling in a 1:38:30.680 --> 1:38:35.240 way very similar to the accidental unsettling character of the 1:38:35.360 --> 1:38:39.519 kid in an House by the Cemetery, Yeah, where Bob's 1:38:39.600 --> 1:38:44.479 voice was dubbed by an adult woman and he comes 1:38:44.520 --> 1:38:47.559 off in some sort of like a like a strange being. 1:38:48.160 --> 1:38:51.719 But it's intentional here and it absolutely works. This kid's creepy. 1:38:52.000 --> 1:38:55.160 So Alia, the sort of reverend mother child, has a 1:38:55.200 --> 1:38:59.920 confrontation with the emperor and with the Reverend mother guy's 1:39:00.040 --> 1:39:03.679 Helen Moheim. She's like, I am a messenger from Wa Deep, 1:39:04.040 --> 1:39:07.639 poor Emperor. I'm afraid my brother won't be very pleased 1:39:07.680 --> 1:39:12.320 with you. It's it's I can't really do it justice. 1:39:12.360 --> 1:39:15.840 It's so creepy. And the Reverend mother is like she 1:39:15.880 --> 1:39:19.320 is an abomination. But oh she also screams get out 1:39:19.320 --> 1:39:21.840 of my mind, exactly like David Bowie and The Man 1:39:21.880 --> 1:39:22.679 who Fell to Earth. 1:39:22.880 --> 1:39:24.160 Oh yeah. 1:39:24.200 --> 1:39:27.360 Anyway, so Paul and the Freemen use the house atomics 1:39:27.400 --> 1:39:29.960 to blow up the mountains that are shielding the approach 1:39:30.000 --> 1:39:32.840 to raken and they mount their assault. They bring lots 1:39:32.880 --> 1:39:36.400 of loose worms alongside them, and the freemen and the 1:39:36.479 --> 1:39:39.960 worms clash with the Emperor's sardikar. At some point, we 1:39:39.960 --> 1:39:43.479 see the Emperor personally controlling a mounted gun to fire 1:39:43.520 --> 1:39:45.920 at the worms. Not sure about that choice, like he 1:39:45.960 --> 1:39:49.840 doesn't seem like much of a hands on warrior. But 1:39:49.920 --> 1:39:54.360 also also the Emperor tasks Baron Harkonen with destroying Alia. 1:39:54.479 --> 1:39:57.200 But of course Alia I think she's going to get 1:39:57.200 --> 1:39:59.439 the better of this encounter, and she does. 1:40:00.120 --> 1:40:03.240 She Like what exactly does she do to the baron? 1:40:03.680 --> 1:40:06.839 She jabs him with the with the gomjabar I believe, 1:40:07.120 --> 1:40:10.000 Oh yeah, okay, and kills him like this is the 1:40:10.040 --> 1:40:12.439 death blow. She is Ali of the knife after all. 1:40:12.880 --> 1:40:13.840 Oh okay. Yeah. 1:40:13.840 --> 1:40:16.080 We see her like she's so happy about it. She's 1:40:16.160 --> 1:40:19.479 dancing around with her eyes closed holding a knife. And 1:40:19.520 --> 1:40:21.960 we also see the baron he flies away as he 1:40:22.040 --> 1:40:25.160 is dying and then is chomped by by a worm from. 1:40:25.040 --> 1:40:28.519 The That's a bit much. That's a bit much, okay. 1:40:28.600 --> 1:40:31.520 So the final confrontation, you know, the freemen are victorious 1:40:31.560 --> 1:40:34.000 in the battle. They've taken the city. They gather everybody 1:40:34.080 --> 1:40:37.200 all of the power players in like the big room 1:40:37.240 --> 1:40:39.559 in the palace at Arikene, and and Paul goes up 1:40:39.560 --> 1:40:42.200 to the emperor and his retinue and demonstrates his power. 1:40:42.280 --> 1:40:45.720 He intimidates the Emperor and silences the reverend mother with 1:40:45.760 --> 1:40:49.439 a powerful word. Also, she's like ah, and she appears 1:40:49.479 --> 1:40:50.400 to have metal teeth. 1:40:50.520 --> 1:40:54.360 Now, oh wow, maybe she has ixy and teeth. I 1:40:54.360 --> 1:40:55.160 don't know. Maybe. 1:40:55.200 --> 1:40:58.080 But so Paul is confronted by the remaining member of 1:40:58.120 --> 1:41:00.559 how Sarkona and the young fade Rautha. They're have to 1:41:00.560 --> 1:41:03.840 face one another, of course, and fade Ratha takes the 1:41:03.880 --> 1:41:06.519 Emperor's blade in his hand for the fight. This is 1:41:06.560 --> 1:41:09.240 going to be a knife fight to the death. There 1:41:09.280 --> 1:41:11.200 are things I really like about this fight. I like 1:41:11.280 --> 1:41:13.879 how there are people playing pyramid shaped drums. 1:41:14.200 --> 1:41:18.519 Yeah, those are cool. Sting keeps yelling I will kill you. 1:41:20.880 --> 1:41:22.680 I love that line. This has always been one of 1:41:22.680 --> 1:41:25.559 my favorite cheesy lines from this film and just in 1:41:25.600 --> 1:41:26.599 from film in general. 1:41:26.800 --> 1:41:28.840 We already talked about this difference, but I do like 1:41:28.880 --> 1:41:31.160 that this keeps. Fade Ratha is a cheater. He's not 1:41:31.280 --> 1:41:34.880 the kind of honorable fighter in a way honorable fighter 1:41:34.960 --> 1:41:38.639 that they make Fade Rotha in the new movie Fade 1:41:38.680 --> 1:41:41.519 Ratha here tries to cheat with a poisoned barb, but 1:41:41.640 --> 1:41:44.200 Paul gets arounded by saying, I will bend like a 1:41:44.280 --> 1:41:46.759 read in the wind, and he sort of like binds 1:41:46.840 --> 1:41:50.479 and lets Fade come around him and then stabs him 1:41:50.640 --> 1:41:53.479 in a very very strange way. 1:41:54.400 --> 1:41:56.559 Yeah, this is this is a quality kill, and this 1:41:56.640 --> 1:41:58.840 is I think this falls in line with what you 1:41:58.880 --> 1:42:01.559 were talking about in the first so we did about 1:42:02.080 --> 1:42:06.920 the Lynchian approach to portrayals of death, because he drives 1:42:07.680 --> 1:42:12.960 his knife up through Fade's chin into his brain, and 1:42:13.000 --> 1:42:16.280 then after Fad has fallen dead under the floor, he 1:42:16.439 --> 1:42:20.720 uses the weirding voice to shatter the stone floor beneath him, 1:42:20.840 --> 1:42:23.679 a moment that really feels to reson like it resonates 1:42:23.680 --> 1:42:26.600 with a kind of biblical power. You know. It's a 1:42:26.600 --> 1:42:29.400 moment that I think really legitimately rules in this film 1:42:29.800 --> 1:42:32.920 and cements the ascendant might of Paul Triades. 1:42:33.400 --> 1:42:36.439 I agree. I think it's very cool. They also say, 1:42:36.439 --> 1:42:39.080 you know, Ussol no longer needs a weirding module. He 1:42:39.120 --> 1:42:41.240 can just like speak a word without the module and 1:42:41.240 --> 1:42:43.880 make things shatter. And from here we just sort of 1:42:43.880 --> 1:42:47.479 get a rather quick wrap up. Like the Princess, Irelan 1:42:47.640 --> 1:42:50.479 narrates that Maadib had become the hand of God, fulfilling 1:42:50.520 --> 1:42:53.160 the frim and prophecy. Where there was war, Maadeeb would 1:42:53.200 --> 1:42:55.840 now bring peace where there was hatred. Madeeb would bring love, 1:42:56.000 --> 1:42:56.519 et cetera. 1:42:57.520 --> 1:43:00.439 Uh yeah, yeah, is that what the story he is? 1:43:00.520 --> 1:43:03.599 I don't think so, not so much. Yeah. 1:43:04.040 --> 1:43:07.120 So in the end, yeah, we get this very heroic 1:43:07.439 --> 1:43:10.519 kind of conclusion, and in fact it goes beyond heroic 1:43:10.560 --> 1:43:15.400 and becomes like transcendent, almost religious, where Paul literally causes 1:43:15.400 --> 1:43:16.040 a miracle. 1:43:16.760 --> 1:43:20.800 Yes, Paul makes it rain on Oracus. It's a in 1:43:20.840 --> 1:43:22.120 a way, I have to be fair. It is a 1:43:22.120 --> 1:43:25.120 great visual capper for the film, but it is one 1:43:25.160 --> 1:43:27.840 that makes zero sense within the context of the film 1:43:27.840 --> 1:43:30.800 and has no footing in the novel. Because Paul does 1:43:30.880 --> 1:43:34.280 not control the weather and greening efforts on Oracus, which 1:43:34.320 --> 1:43:37.519 I've been alluded to and are part of the world 1:43:37.520 --> 1:43:40.760 of Dune. These are going to be gradual, These are 1:43:40.760 --> 1:43:42.960 going to be focused on particular parts of the planet. 1:43:43.400 --> 1:43:46.639 So this moment is all feels and no sense. Yeah. 1:43:46.720 --> 1:43:49.639 Yeah, So it's a very different kind of ending than 1:43:49.800 --> 1:43:52.080 we get from Dune part two of the New One, 1:43:52.160 --> 1:43:56.120 which does go a longer way to try to to 1:43:56.720 --> 1:44:00.400 show Paul's change and change not for the better, his 1:44:00.640 --> 1:44:04.559 arc toward tyranny and his coldness, especially the most painful 1:44:04.560 --> 1:44:06.240 thing being at the end of the movie, the way 1:44:06.280 --> 1:44:10.840 he rejects Shawni for his you know, political alliance with 1:44:11.320 --> 1:44:14.320 House Corono by saying he's going to marry Princess Irolin. 1:44:14.439 --> 1:44:16.800 In the new movie, yeah, yeah, the movie does a 1:44:16.800 --> 1:44:18.760 great job of playing up the fact that this is 1:44:18.880 --> 1:44:23.120 leading into a massive holy war, Interstellar Holy war. It 1:44:23.200 --> 1:44:25.519 is not going to be peace and love across the universe. 1:44:26.320 --> 1:44:29.680 It is going to be pretty grim days ahead, and 1:44:29.760 --> 1:44:33.559 it is because Paul has risen to such power. 1:44:33.800 --> 1:44:35.519 On the other hand, if you're just trying to make 1:44:35.560 --> 1:44:38.360 a standalone film, the Lynch movie has a much more 1:44:38.360 --> 1:44:39.120 feel good ending. 1:44:39.600 --> 1:44:39.840 Yeah. 1:44:39.920 --> 1:44:41.639 I don't know if that's something. I don't know if 1:44:41.640 --> 1:44:45.320 that's good. It's not really what the story is, but 1:44:45.760 --> 1:44:49.439 it doesn't feel as sad as the ending of the 1:44:49.439 --> 1:44:49.800 New one. 1:44:50.240 --> 1:44:53.040 Yeah. Yeah, the new film has a grimness and a 1:44:53.080 --> 1:44:58.000 sadness to it. My son watched the has only seen 1:44:58.040 --> 1:45:01.439 these the new adaptations, and he when I was asking 1:45:01.760 --> 1:45:04.639 him about how he felt about the movies, he was like, Oh, 1:45:04.640 --> 1:45:08.479 it's really cool, but it's kind of joyless. And then 1:45:08.560 --> 1:45:10.920 that is true. I mean, the film is not a 1:45:11.040 --> 1:45:18.639 joyful experience, especially as it wraps up. And I would 1:45:18.640 --> 1:45:22.080 say that Dune in general is a very joyful thing, 1:45:22.160 --> 1:45:25.160 and certainly in my own life, but a lot of 1:45:25.200 --> 1:45:27.240 that is in the details of everything in the world 1:45:27.240 --> 1:45:31.080 building and the ecology and the philosophy and the use 1:45:31.120 --> 1:45:34.880 of religion and history. It's like the sum of the 1:45:34.920 --> 1:45:40.240 whole is joy, but the actual events that occur in 1:45:40.320 --> 1:45:42.720 the film here, especially towards the end, are not. 1:45:43.320 --> 1:45:45.000 I feel like there's so much more I could say, 1:45:45.040 --> 1:45:47.720 but we've gone on way too long already, so I 1:45:47.760 --> 1:45:49.200 think we must wrap it up. 1:45:49.640 --> 1:45:53.719 Yeah, if there's any unfinished business and we can discuss 1:45:53.760 --> 1:45:56.479 it in future listener mail installments, that'll be a good 1:45:56.479 --> 1:45:59.719 place for that. And likewise, Yeah, if you have thoughts 1:46:00.080 --> 1:46:04.960 on the new Dune adaptations, the nineteen eighty four's Dune 1:46:05.000 --> 1:46:07.080 that we've been discussing in this episode, your history with 1:46:07.120 --> 1:46:09.880 the film, any of the merch any of that weird 1:46:09.880 --> 1:46:12.760 merchandise they put out, like those strange action figures, are 1:46:12.800 --> 1:46:16.080 these legitimately cool revel model kits that I don't think 1:46:16.120 --> 1:46:19.000 anybody bought initially, but now go for you know, one 1:46:19.080 --> 1:46:22.120 hundreds of dollars online, writ in We would love to 1:46:22.160 --> 1:46:25.560 hear from you. We'll even hear thoughts about those. The 1:46:25.840 --> 1:46:28.320 mini series, The sci Fi Mini Series, which again has 1:46:28.360 --> 1:46:31.439 a great cast, but some CGI that has really not 1:46:31.520 --> 1:46:35.280 aged well. 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