WEBVTT - Ep. 28: Muskie Shoot-Outs at the Kentucky Cod Corral 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:04.000 What was that top order? John? Mike, he was throwing 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:06.880 over at FDR Park for them largemouth. John asked to 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:09.720 see his dad's old musky gun. How else would you 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:12.479 dispatch of musky before bringing it in the boat? If 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:14.640 you could fish with any muppet, which one would it be? 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:18.280 The guy that was in the trash can? Example? Where's Puck? 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:20.759 Remember Puck from the real world? Whatever happened to Puck? 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:27.800 Good morning, degenerate Anglers, and welcome to Ben, the fishing 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:31.160 podcast that once got booted off an episode of MTVS 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:33.720 lip Service for not knowing the words to how do 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:37.200 You Talk to an Angel? I'm Joe Surmellie. I'm Miles Nulty. 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:42.040 And wasn't that like the theme song to Dawson's Creek? No, No, 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:44.040 it was not. And you know what did you know 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:49.120 it Wasn't you know that? You know? That asked rhetorical question? 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:52.280 There is. It's actually more on point than you realize, though, 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.040 because the guy who's sang how do you Talk to 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:58.840 an Angel? Actually did play Tory Spelling's boyfriend on Beverly 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.959 Hills One. Oh really? How about yeah? How about that? 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:07.440 You're dude, You're like a nineties media Savante. I hate that. 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:09.960 I know that, but I do we ever get to 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.880 play bar trivia again. I'm on your team. I'm calling Dibbs. 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.920 We're on the same team. And you're right. That was 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:17.959 a snide comment. That was being a jerk. But to 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.080 get back to where I think you were trying to 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:24.240 lead us in this conversation, Yes, I do remember MTVS 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:27.640 Lip Service and and if memory serves, it was a 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:34.640 cringeworthy lip syncing competition judged by B list celebrities exactly exactly, 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.440 And I watched that show religiously back in the day. 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:39.520 And I feel like in that era in the early 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.600 to mid nineties, you'd come home from school and that 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.080 was always what was on, Like like if you just 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.360 put on MTV in the afternoon, that's what was on. 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.360 And I watched it like crazy, Um, What's Spinderella was 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:53.760 the DJ Salt Pepper, So yeah, from Salton Pepper. It 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.040 was the bomb because she'd throw Jane's addiction at some 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.360 sorority girl like and it was glorious because the same 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.640 girl she'd be all over that ASA bass track, you know, 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:04.520 like really feeling herself and proven. But then like Perry 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.200 Farrell comes in and it's instant train wreck. Just it 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.920 just falls apart. And then these poor these poor people 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.320 would have to have their their performance judged by like 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:16.040 Gilbert Godfrey on bottom Mchanneth Kilbert. How did they move 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:21.760 for you? They moved, well, good movement. What do you 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:30.679 give him? Man? How deep the lip service rabbit hole 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:34.280 did you did you fall to do this bit? It 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.280 was large, it was large and deep. It was large, 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.079 and to be honest, I'm gonna tell you what, man, 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.600 it wasn't even the lip service footage that that like 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.880 took me back and tickled me most. But the commercials 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.120 in the episodes I watched, like some of them had 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.120 the old commercials still in there, like you know what 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.200 I mean, Like listen to this, you do you remember 0:02:51.200 --> 0:03:00.560 cinemburst gum. These dots indicated explosive personality play a crystical 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:10.480 suitable flavor crystal. Yes, I had completely block those from 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:14.360 my memory, I think, or I don't know. Maybe maybe 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.919 whatever toxic chemicals those were made out were actually responsible 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.200 for my lack of short term memory. I don't know, 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.120 I don't know, but they definitely couldn't have been good 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:26.079 for probably be bad. Uh. This might also be a 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:30.400 rhetorical question, what happened to that dude who hosted lip Service? Oh, 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.519 I don't even know his name? Who knows? I don't 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:37.320 who knows John something? I think I don't know John j. 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.640 It was definitely a j word. Uh. And I mean 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.640 there's that guy. I feel like what there? I feel 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.720 like there's a whole host of twentysomethings who thought that 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.840 getting on MTV was gonna like jump start their careers. 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:53.040 And now I have no idea what happened to them? Uh, 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:56.880 where's example, where's Puck? Remember Puck from the real World? 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:02.200 Whatever happened to Puck? Holyesh? Yet Puck, Puck was man, 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.400 Puck was the best. Thank you for Oh my god, 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.000 I forgot about though. I will say, Puck, if you're listening, like, 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.800 we'd love to have you on Puck And normally, like 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:12.600 we say stuff like that, and it's a joke because 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.280 these people it's not gonna happen. These people aren't going 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.600 to come on our show. But it's not outside the 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:21.440 Roman possibility. We may actually hear from Puck because I'm 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.039 assuming at this point his career as a bike messenger 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.479 has dried up. He's probably Puck's probably not doing a 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.960 whole lot these days. I really hope we don't hear 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.919 from him. I'll just say, come on, yeah, no, I 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:35.720 get it. You you think it would be funny. I'm 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:37.400 I would vote in a on Puck, and I'm not 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.479 really worried about it. If I'm being honest, I'm pretty 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.640 sure Puck didn't take up fishing all right. Now, moving on, 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.120 That's that's probably enough nineties pop culture for one intro. 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.480 Let's get into uh, let's get into our real world. Here, 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:53.200 this this real world. We're kicking things off this week 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:57.200 with a badass, salty East Coast fly fishing guide who's 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.760 probably too young to have caught any of those references, 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.120 but all right, we like her anyway. Uh. In this 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.599 week's covering Water segment, we're making like the pilots and 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.560 wings a little more for you. But instead of trying 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:12.640 to fly to Nantucket, we're landing on Martha's vineyard to 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.880 rapid fire, idiotic questions at Captain Abbey Schuster, I'm going 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:33.760 can hold it? Joining us today we have Massachusetts based guide, 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:38.400 outfitter and shop owner, Captain Abbey Schuster. What's going on? Abbey? Hey? 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:40.839 How are you? Thanks? For having me. Great to have 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.240 you here, even if you're on on the wrong side 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.919 of the country, I still still appreciate she's on my 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:51.760 side of the country, Okay, the right coast. So so 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:53.800 as I was, as I was trying to prepare for this, 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.599 like I was, I was, I was working on figuring 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.839 out how to somehow quickly sum up the trajectory of 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.000 your career. And I'm not sure if I got it right. 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.600 You're born out east, and then you came to Montana 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:09.440 for college and started guiding around Missoula. Then then you 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.440 went over and started guiding in Washington and Alaska, and 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.120 then you went back east to start up your your 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:19.000 outfitting operations. Is that all correct? Yep, that's right? And 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.800 is that is that because you finally couldn't stand not 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.000 having a good piece of pizza anymore? Actually it was 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:30.240 part of it. You're probably picking up on something that 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:31.680 you may or may not know, and which is that 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.400 Joe and I are perpetually locked in this East versus 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.080 West feud and uh, and that's fact that you went 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.040 back there kind of tells me that you're on his side. 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:41.960 So I'm I'm holding that against you a little bit. 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.679 But I'll get over it tries and finally I said, 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:50.080 I could be East Coaster again. Party, I'm not. I'm 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.839 not arguing that. I just you know, I'm partial to 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:56.919 Montana myself. Part of my heart there fair enough. I'm 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:58.440 gonna leave that alone because we don't need to. We 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.120 don't need to dive into that whole East West. I 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.200 think that's been covered more than enough. Another thing I 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:06.960 found out about you. You are the only charter captain 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:11.720 that I know who's also a yoga instructor. Alright, so 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:15.240 just real quick, real quick, Like, I'm very familiar with 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:18.239 the process of getting licensed as a captain because because 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.720 I've done it. But is there is there like a 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:24.760 formal process for for getting oneself recognized as a yoga instructor? 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.280 Is it just like being a professional fly persian gut 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.160 on Instagram? Okay, so what does that mean? Like, what 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.240 does it mean to be You can't just like I 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.480 can't just tomorrow call myself a yoga instructor I hope 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:40.880 not offense. No, you have to do like two hours 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:44.400 of school or five hours of school, and then you're 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:49.120 two our teacher, five teacher and so it's usually like 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:54.120 mine was nine months for of like twice a month 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:58.320 for the whole weekend. So it's harder than becoming a captain, 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:04.240 is what you're saying. It's longer, but the test way easier. 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.600 Tests are hard. They're really hard. I know, I was 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.000 surprised how hard they were. I can spend too much 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:12.360 time on this, but I feel like I feel like 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.440 I'm gonna save my stupid questions for the actual reason 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.400 you're here. Uh. We asked you onto the show today 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.440 to take part in covering Water, which is the rapid 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.040 fire interview segment we do instead of bothering to conduct 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.800 proper interviews. And here's how it works. Joe is gonna 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:26.600 put two minutes on the clock and then he and 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.640 I are gonna rapid fire questions at you. Your goal 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.200 is to get through as many as possible in those 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.800 two minutes, which means you can't think about your answers. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:39.280 You just gotta blurt out whatever comes to that. But 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.200 in the spirit of fairness, after those two minutes are up, 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:45.439 we will give you one minute to expand and elaborate 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.680 on whichever answer you think was most interesting or potentially 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.360 damaging to your career. Pick the career ender and you can. 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:56.040 You have one minute to people love this. All our 0:08:56.080 --> 0:09:01.960 guests are like, what a great segment? All right? You 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:07.240 ready to go? All right? Two minutes starts now we're 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:12.199 doing more yoga. Make me a less shitty spay caster. Yes, 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:17.160 what's the most painful spot you've ever been? Hooked? My stomach? 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:26.120 Your least least favorite fish to target? Um? Sea robin ah? 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:30.000 Interesting one? Which beer is honestly truly better Bad Martha 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:35.319 or Cisco? Cisco? Whoa, that's the Nantucket beer gunheads? I 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:39.559 should explain that Rocky Mountain oysters or whole belly clams? 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:44.520 Whole belly clams? What gets you more excited? The worm 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:50.600 hatch or the squid run? Which fish are stupider stripers 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:54.640 busting a bait pile or cutthroats chewing on katas cut 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.280 the cape cod canal? I love it? Or screw that 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:02.679 ship show? Screwed up? Sh chew? Nice? Thank you? Who's 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:10.200 the greatest angler of all time? Oh? My grandmother is 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.959 pretty good. That's a great, excellent, great beat. The best 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:19.160 fish to sitecast two in the entire world is iron 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:25.440 gar or vinyasa? I don't even know, I don't have 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:29.000 anything there. The movie you quote most often? Is I'm 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:33.000 really bad at quoting movies. Okay, so not really. The 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:41.120 species you've never caught, the highest on your list peacock, bass, okay, clouser, minnows, 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:43.520 chartruss over white or pink over white if you could 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.959 only use one for the rest of your life, pink 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:51.680 favorite excellent poppers or stick baits. If you could fish 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.840 with any muppet, which one would it be? Oh, that's 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:59.200 a good one. Maybe the guy that lives in the 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:05.000 trash can that. No, that's Oscar, but it's a perfect 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:10.480 color for it. We'll have to get clarification whether Oscar 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.480 is a muppet. I don't think so. I don't think 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.600 that was a fun one, all right, so I will. 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:22.600 I am now putting one minute on the clock, and 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.280 you can you can elaborate, Abbey on any one of 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:29.559 those answers that you would like. Your time starts now. Okay, 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.320 the beer question, I feel like I have to go 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.360 back to that because we have this little rival between 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:41.720 you know, Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard. I like Martha's. I 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:45.920 like that Martha's you know my people, but I just 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.440 like the taste of Let's go better. I have to 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:51.120 say I really do, man, you pick the one that 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.960 is like saving your local street credit. I appreciate you. Know, 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.880 I would be the shop and not run another year. 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.080 And we're right down the road, so I have a 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:06.120 protection that here. Oh man, I wish I had anything 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:07.720 to say about this, because I don't know either of 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:13.559 those beers or anything about this present ever, look full disclosure. 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:15.240 When I was coming up with questions, I wanted to 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.520 come up with some fun ones, so I reached out 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:19.560 to a buddy of mine who's up there it works 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.000 for on the water, and I was like, dude, what's 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.400 a good beer question for Abby? And he's like, she's 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:25.120 on the vineyard right, and he's like, yeah, so bad 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.680 Martha or Cisco. That's the two rival that's the two 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.960 rival beers. Yeah, they do the island's rival. You should 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.920 see it. It's crazy. I've never been to Nantucket, only 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.319 Martha's Vineyard, but that was for a Jaws tour, sadly 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.360 not to fish. And that that's dorky and I'm sorry 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:40.800 I said it, but that's what I've been there for. 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:44.640 I've only been to Nantucket one to fish around there 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:49.400 all the time, like actually stepped foot on the Island twice, 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:53.520 yet they have the better local brew. Yeah, I stopped, 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.960 got a beer hang out. I feel like I feel 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.600 like we've thrown a regional gauntlet here on Bent and 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.480 this will only be settled with the with the fishing throwdown. 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:04.040 Hopefully Joe can get up there and do that and 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:05.839 help you out with that. Abby, thanks for coming. We 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:11.559 really appreciate having you. Thank you so much. I'll tell 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.400 you why, man. I got such a kick out of 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:17.240 Abby using her one minute of clarification time to explain 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.959 why the rival Islands microbrew is better than her Islands micros. 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:24.760 Like that was gutsy if you think about it, like 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.240 to to just just you know, she just went for 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.760 it and was honest. But I admire her honesty so much. 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.600 And I hope nobody's you know, like burning cases of 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.760 Cisco on the steps at the shop right now. Terrible. 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.240 I hope that's not the case either. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.600 I'm gonna think better of humanity and guess everyone took 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.880 it and stride uh. And you know, I think that 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:48.200 that's part of why I and other people like Abby. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.240 She's she's straight up, man. She calls it like she 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.560 sees it. Yeah, yeah, And I don't know anything about 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.520 that fishery out there, so I don't know what you 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.520 guys were talking about with the Cape Cod Canal, but 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:01.880 after you outed it as a ship show, I want 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:05.400 to know more interesting. Yeah. Yeah, we could spend hours 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.000 picking that apart. And for the record, I've never actually 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.280 fished there, but I want to because I enjoy a 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:12.439 good ship show, you know, sometimes like it's just part 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.440 of the Northeast scene, but basically it's shoulder to shoulder 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:18.920 dudes in season, and like many places in the Northeast, 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.640 you know, it gets crowded, and some people consider catching 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.000 a big straper there kind of half a victory, you know, 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.880 because it's really easy access and the fish are kind 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.360 of corralled and and somebody with relatively little knowledge can 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.360 can stick a forty pounder there, just like walk up 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:35.360 and sweat pants and do it. But then it's that 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.160 argument of does that fish count as much as the 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.480 forty You know, a guy caught by putting on a 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.160 wet suit and swimming to a rock in the middle 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.240 of the night after months of noting the tides and 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.320 following the migration, So it's kind of you it as 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.640 like the easy place to get your big bass. But 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:52.960 I still want to fish there, so yeah, I mean, 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:54.960 I don't think I can. I can weigh on that. 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.400 If we're talking about, you know, big trout in the 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.520 Spring Creek versus land of the giants out here, I could, 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:01.880 I could talk about that, but I'm I'm I don't 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.160 know if if we're if you're asking me the question, 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.000 does that count? I don't know. I think the guy 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:07.880 doing the crazy stuff in the middle of the night 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.800 counts more. I would I would pick that one has 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:14.920 more valid, you know, I definitely. I mean, in my 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:18.280 youth around here, I almost killed myself a couple of 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.640 times just trying to catch twenty and shrout. I have 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.040 no idea what I would have done if I had 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.800 access to forty pounds stripers, Like, I don't know, I 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.360 would have done something like I did for the time 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.400 when I discovered stripers. Yeah, and like in the past, 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.480 when we've been swapping fishing stories, you've told me about 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.960 folks you know who get like fully suited up in 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.840 heavywet suits and swim rough seas at night to deep 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.680 water rocks, and they like they tow all their gear 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:48.440 behind them right, just to get a shutterproof stuff like 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.280 you know, that's what all those vans stalls are for 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.960 their waterproof lash it to themselves and kick backwards. Man, 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:55.680 None for me, thanks, But I know the guys who 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.760 do this, I'm intrigued by that, Like, yeah, that is 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.000 one of them. And we can added to a whole 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:01.960 list of things in the Northeast that I just don't 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.120 know much about, but I want to know more about it, 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.200 like I'm I'm, I'm interested in that. And as we 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.400 do so often, we get on these topics about Western 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:14.280 stuff and Northeastern stuff and and by my request, this week, 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:19.040 Joe is gonna teach us a lot more about a 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:23.360 very niche Northeast word with hip hop roots in the 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:31.320 weekly word. Webster's Dictionary defines fish as this week's word 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:35.320 is John. That's j A w N. And it's a 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.560 word that really has nothing to do with fishing, but 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:41.120 at the same time could technically have everything to do 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.200 with fishing. And the only reason I'm even doing this 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.120 John is because I said the word John in another episode, 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.240 and Miles, being the word smith that he is, was 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.240 so intrigued by my John he had to know more 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:53.680 about the John. John is a slang term that originated 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.320 in Philadelphia, at least mostly and we'll get to that, 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.280 and is used so much even in Philly's surrounding PA 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:02.440 and New Jersey suburbs, that it often appears in advertising. 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.720 McDonald's even got down on that John, with billboards featuring 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.119 nothing but a sausage McMuffin and the words that's my John. 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:13.080 Visit Philly dot COM's billboards read there's no John like 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.119 Home and vitamin water plaster the area with billboards that 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:21.360 said Vitamins electrolytes, get that John. So what is this John? Well? 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:26.080 According to that Oxford Dictionary, john john refers to a thing, place, person, 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.679 or event that one need not or cannot give a 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:32.480 specific name to. So basically, John can be used to 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:36.560 replace absolutely any now anyone at all in its singular 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.600 or plural form. As an example, I might say, what 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:41.760 was that top order John, Mike, he was thrown over 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:45.200 at FDR Park for them largemouth John. Or upon seeing 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.480 a giant flathead catfish swimming along the bank of the 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.960 School River, I might say, Yo, that's the biggest John 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.119 I ever seen in here, followed by yo, I'm retiring 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.840 my John with fifty pound, because that thirty pound John 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:59.120 ain't gonna be strong enough of a hook that John. Interestingly, 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.359 John can be pluralized with or without an S. Saying 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:04.399 let me get one of them John's when asking a 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.000 buddy for a fresh mintow out of the bucket is acceptable, 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.160 but more commonly, John is used to refer to multiple 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.560 things minus the S. As an example, when asking a 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.640 friend where he acquired multiple new striper plugs, you'd say, 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.199 where'd you get them? John? You might also say I 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.080 want to get into fly fishing, but there's so much 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.840 John to buy. Theories abound about John and where it 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.560 came from. In fact, John is such an intriguing word 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.560 because it can be used in so many ways that 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:33.520 linguists have spent years studying this John and tracing its origins. 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:37.159 All signs point to John being a derivative of joint. 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.480 Joint as a slang term rosen popularity in the American 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.919 South around the time of emancipation, bars and clubs that 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:48.159 served as safe havens for black Americans were called juke joints. 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:52.200 This eventually expanded into the labeling of somewhat sketchy places 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.760 as joints, which even further down the line translated to 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.879 any place you considered kind of underground, such as that 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.439 little pizza joint or burger joint you think only you 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:03.399 and your boys know about. Even though that John is 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.600 all over yelp, but some smart John believed John was 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:11.240 born in Philly. In one specifically, that year, hip hop 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.480 group Funky four plus one had a popular song called 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.320 That's the Joint, and it was one of the earliest 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.680 recorded hip hop tracks where the word joint was used 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.600 as a positive term to refer to something good or 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:27.680 something that you like. Linguist say, because the singers slightly 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:29.960 drew out the vows in the word joint and didn't 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:33.919 accentuate the t, Philadelphians either heard it as John or 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:37.680 sang it as John, ultimately solidifying the future of that John. 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:41.440 Take a listen what we just care miss? Just can't miss? 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:49.240 What we just miss? Beat like this? Did you hear it? 0:19:49.720 --> 0:20:03.439 Let's listen one more time here. Whether you heard joint 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:05.760 or John, the mere mention of this song being the 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:10.000 origin of John infuriates many Philadelphians. Why because Funky four 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.960 plus one was from the Bronx, and even though most 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:17.480 linguists agreed. John technically came from Joint, which got popularized 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:19.719 as a catch all in New York hip hop culture. 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.159 Philly people just don't want to hear that John. That 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.199 John means too much to them. Now, if you're one 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:27.359 of them John that gets all mad about John coming 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:29.800 from them New York John, here's what I suggest. Head 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:31.680 out to the garage and grab your John and head 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:33.400 down to that John where you called all them John 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:36.480 last season. Cast out alive John under a bobber. Maybe 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.000 throw one of them Panther and Martin John's and just relax. 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:41.520 You got other John to worry about. No matter where 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:47.760 that John came from, it's a Philly John. Now, quick 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:50.440 follow up. Do you think that funky four plus one, 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:54.320 that that particular track was ever on lip service? Oh? 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:56.960 Absolutely not. Yeah, that would have been a death sentence. 0:20:57.000 --> 0:20:59.440 It would have been these those those nineties kids would 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:01.560 have no idea, no idea. And also I think it's 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:04.280 funny because that song is from that era in hip hop, 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:06.960 you know, like when one track was was twenty five 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:10.920 minutes long and like chron an entire week in somebody's life. 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.520 You know, my alarm went off at eight am. It 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:16.440 was Tuesday, I was tired, so I hit the snooze button. 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:18.840 Eight minutes later, my alarm went off again. When they 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:20.560 just get on the thing, that's like, we're gonna rock 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:22.639 this beat, gonna rock this peap, We're gonna rock this 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:27.320 and it would go on for five minutes. But I am, yeah, 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:30.600 sugar Hill, It's it's their style, no doubt. But I 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:34.080 am curious though, Like, listening to that, did you hear 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:39.399 Joint or John? Okay, so the first clip I heard Joint, 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.520 but the second clip I heard John. Yeah, So I 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:45.520 think I think with you like you can. I think 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:47.320 you can take that one either way, to be honest 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:48.840 with you, because because there are different parts of the 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:50.720 song that you sampled there and and in the first 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:53.320 one to me is clearly Joint and the second one 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:55.760 I hear the John. But before we get too far 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.679 away from it, I really did love everything about that 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.520 Weekly Word. I felt like you completely crushed that one 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:03.160 and took it, took it in a direction I didn't 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:05.840 think was gonna go. And I very deeply enjoyed it 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.720 as a fun one for sure, and it hit on 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:11.760 a lot of levels for me personally, and you got 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:13.639 me thinking like As I was listening to that, you 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:18.960