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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of I Heart Radio, Elizabeth Dutton.

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Speaker 1: You know what's ridiculous. Yeah, that a certain giant corporate

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Speaker 1: internet provider calls their broadband access unlimited and it is not.

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Speaker 1: There's a cap and you pay when you go over.

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Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. Do you know this personally? I am adjacent

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Speaker 1: to this situation. You're adjacent to this situation. I've seen

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Speaker 1: it happen. So your neighbor, friend of your family member.

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Speaker 1: So that's an internet service provider. That's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know what's also ridiculous? What I've got a story

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Speaker 1: for you. Okay, this story it's about a pair about laws.

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Speaker 1: They are two women who get their start on the

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Speaker 1: lawless side of life when they start robbing men down

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Speaker 1: in Houston, Texas. Now this is before the end of

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Speaker 1: the story. Right the end of the story, they will

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Speaker 1: have posed as nuns, they will have worked as topless dancers,

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Speaker 1: they will have risked big losses in casinos, and you know,

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Speaker 1: those were the big gains that they got from robbing

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Speaker 1: all those men blind across the state of Texas. So basically,

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about is a real life Thelma and Louise.

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Speaker 1: Only this pair. They never killed anyone because you know,

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Speaker 1: we got that ridiculous crime guarantee. Yeah, we don't play

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Speaker 1: like that. Love it. This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast

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Speaker 1: about absurd and outrageous capers, heist and cons. It's always

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Speaker 1: murder free and one zero zero percent ridiculous. So you're

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Speaker 1: ready for a story of two folk hero outlaw women. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm ready. Do you like those kind of stories? Right? Okay,

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Speaker 1: So my girl's names are rose Marie Turfer and Joyce

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Speaker 1: Caroline Stevens. Rosemarie and Joyce. Hello, Rosemarie, Hello Choyce. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought you might like these, kind of like old

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Speaker 1: school names. You don't hear like a Rosemarie these days.

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Speaker 1: So now they're bail Bondsman was named Clement Romeo. The

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Speaker 1: story is just filled with great names right now. But

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Speaker 1: first let's let's focus on our AUNTI heroes. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to Mr Romeo later. Rose Marie Turford she was the

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Speaker 1: older of the two. She was about thirty five when

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Speaker 1: our story begins. And uh, rose Marie Turford was married.

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Speaker 1: She was a nurse, a psychiatric registered nurse. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure if you know how nurses do. But she

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Speaker 1: was making about fifty grand you know back then. That's

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Speaker 1: So she's the one that the press would come to

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Speaker 1: call the good girl. Now we have, on the other hand,

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Speaker 1: our bad girl. Joyce Caroline Stevens. She was was the

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Speaker 1: younger one. She was thirty. She was the daughter of

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Speaker 1: a Houston minister. She was often called mousey, although I

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't I've never really understood that adjective mousey,

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Speaker 1: was really mousey. I was like, does that mean, like,

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Speaker 1: it to mean like anti hubba hubba. Oh. I think

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Speaker 1: that may in this context that's the binary, are you

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Speaker 1: she was a mousy So anyway, Joyce works at a

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Speaker 1: psychiatric facility. Now, if you notice what he said about

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Speaker 1: where they met? Uh? At a casino. Yes, good job.

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Speaker 1: How you're so good at this game? No, they met

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Speaker 1: Brian is up in Detroit, and poor Rosemary Turford is

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Speaker 1: Texan Joyce Caroline Stevens enters the picture, the younger thirty

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Speaker 1: So Brian and Roses marriage is, you know, somehow still alive.

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Speaker 1: He like takes the call at like a CED Motel paramour.

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Speaker 1: So anyway he goes for it's bring. The women are

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Speaker 1: the married one is on the phone, Jocelyn, the younger

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Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, so this John he's dreaming of arranging

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Speaker 1: He's like, oh, I got a place, Come on over

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Speaker 1: to my house. Right. The women, Sharon knowing, look like

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Speaker 1: it's on right, So they get dolled up exactly, no

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Speaker 1: the guy is like you know, first, by the way,

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Speaker 1: they've run a credit check to make sure he's got

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Speaker 1: got to Canada, they traveled east Edmonton. They rent a car,

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00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: a Nissan Pathfinder, and they basically just tour around Canada. Cool, right, Yeah,

421
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 1: just two women on the run for a really you know,

422
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 1: slow drive in the suv rough style. So they don't

423
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: keep the suv long though. I don't know if they

424
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: just get tired of roughing it and sleeping in the back,

425
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: or maybe they think people are going to catch onto them. Anyway.

426
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: In July, the police find the suv in this little

427
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: town called ajax Is, just east of Toronto, and the

428
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 1: police discover a note that was left by Joscelyn. It's

429
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: an apology to the rental car company for taking so

430
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: long to return the car. Minister's daughter from Texas. Yeah,

431
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: well she's been hanging out with a Canadian. It's rubbing off,

432
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, well the manners. Yeah. So a couple

433
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: of days later, Toronto p D. They get a call.

434
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: It's a report that there were two women who matched

435
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: the description of Rose and Joscelyn, and the women were

436
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:04,719
Speaker 1: dressed as nuns they took. Did they find any receipts

437
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: in the Pathfinder from various costume stores. No, they were

438
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 1: smart about that. They didn't leave behind much um for

439
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: the police to find. Other than the apology note to

440
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: the rental car company. Maybe it was written on the

441
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: back of a they just didn't notice. Costume co costume clown, doctor, dentist,

442
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 1: costume firefighters like the two parts of the horse, they

443
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: just got two back ends. The other damn won't work

444
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: for digging around with the bargain bin. Yeah, I know, man.

445
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: So they show up as nuns and they try basically

446
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: to strong arm their way into a house as nuns.

447
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,479
Speaker 1: So they go up. They knocked on this dude's door, right,

448
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: and the dude opens it up and he's like, yes, lady, oh,

449
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: sorry sisters, and they're like, wow, excuse me, could you uh?

450
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: And they tried to start talking about whatever charity organization

451
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: that they're running for, whatever support that they would like

452
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: for Catholic you know, older aging nuns, and the guy's

453
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: like okay, okay, and he's nodding along and they're looking

454
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: at him. They're like, he's not buying this. Turns out

455
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: he recognized them from the Toronto newspapers had put their

456
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: faces out, So then he's like, I don't think y'all

457
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: are nuns. He opens up his sweatshirt and shows that

458
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: he's wearing the wanted shirt and it's like, I am

459
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: with you. So he just refuses. And then eventually the

460
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: Joyceon and Rose were like, oh man, so what's not

461
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: gonna let us in? These nun costumes are bunks, so

462
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: they bounce right now. Possibly they could have been showing

463
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: up with the Romeo Clement t shirts and been like, yes,

464
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: we're looking for these women. He may not even even

465
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: gone He's like, oh, of course yes. Now the Houston

466
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: p D in the Toronto plead, they start getting lots

467
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 1: of these uh phone calls and tips coming in, so

468
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: the women start getting spotted all over the Toronto area.

469
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: Right Meanwhile, the two outlaws spend Roses birthday on the

470
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: Lamb Happy birthday now that they no longer had to like,

471
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, chase down in the criminals. The Houston police meanwhile,

472
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: are going to the press and just kind of praising

473
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: the women. They go out there like there's Officer Alex

474
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: Hardisty who says at the time quote, I think they're

475
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: both looking for a different lifestyle. The robberies were well planned.

476
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: They stood out from the pack. They had duct tape,

477
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: they had handcuffs, they had a stun gun, but they

478
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: never really hurt anybody that's quality policing, that's looking at

479
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: the big picture. Yeah, He's like, look harm reduction exactly.

480
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: Another one at Houston Police investigator Todd Jankie. He said,

481
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: in terms of their robbery quote, um, they may be amateurs,

482
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: but there's some of the best I've ever seen. Had

483
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: so much respect for this women. Houston PD was very impressed. Meanwhile,

484
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: the Toronto Metro Police, they were busy trying to chase

485
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: down leads and they were getting none of leads. So

486
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: there would be these reported sightings of them all over.

487
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: They were in the grocery store, they were talking this

488
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: woman Helen. There's like dozens of these reported sightings where

489
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: people were like, oh I saw him buying the computer electronics.

490
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: Oh I saw but they were trying to steal a

491
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: car in the park. I saw them. They were working

492
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: as strippers down at this joint. I'd like to go

493
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: to the one persons like I saw him trying to

494
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: buy a refrigerator. They're like, wait really, Oh yeah. They

495
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: were accused of trying to like basically low ball someone

496
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: for appliances. That's what got their attentions, like why they

497
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: kept arguing about the price and I noticed that we

498
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: do not burst, but this is a steel we're giving you.

499
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: I want to lower price. So one of the cops,

500
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: Metro Toronto Police detective Steve Peconi, he goes to the

501
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: press and he basically starts to express the working officers

502
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: frustration with trying to chase down all these bunco leads

503
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: and he says in like this doctor Susie, and like

504
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: rhyme and I quote someone saw them here, someone saw

505
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: them there, someone is seeing them everywhere. But there was

506
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: one going on, you know, right, there was one person though,

507
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: who did actually hear from them, Jocelyn's lawyer, Bill Burge.

508
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: Now he tells the press, he's like, hey, yeah, they

509
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: contacted me right when they went on the lamb they

510
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: jumped bail contacted me. I did my lawyer thing. I said, hey,

511
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: you shouldn't do that. You should come back and maybe

512
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: turn yourselves in. And then the real quote is up.

513
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: I said, you know, turn yourself in, and then quote

514
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: she said she was going to and obviously that was

515
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: not true because she did not. So her lawyers like, well,

516
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: I don't all to tell y'all. I mean, she's paying

517
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: my retainer, So good luck, officers, and they went around. Now,

518
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: remember in Canada you have like basically the equivalent of

519
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: the Texas Rangers is the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. They're

520
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: spread out now, trying because they have to, like you know,

521
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: with every passing day. They look like bigger like schmucks basically,

522
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: so they're like, all right, we gotta find these. They

523
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: start to put on a press right. So, the Royal

524
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: Canadian Mounted Police are also being aided by the private

525
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: detectives hired by old Romeo Clement, who describes this time

526
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: as quote the most frustrating two months of my life.

527
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: Right now, what could possibly end this run? As ther

528
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: prolific partners in crime? I mean obviously there's the question,

529
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: would Rose Ms her husband, her children? Uh? Would Joscelyn

530
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: get scared? Like, you know, I'm running around with this

531
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: older lady. I got so much future in front of me.

532
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,479
Speaker 1: What I was just silly of me, Like why am

533
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: I trying to take this married woman away from her family?

534
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: It was a silly fantasy. Did Joscelyn, you know, just

535
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 1: get scared and like I want to go back to Texas.

536
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: I missed Texas. What's this Canada? They put gravy these

537
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: Kurds on everything? What is this? Did the near horizons? Joscelyn? Hey, hey, hey,

538
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: So I'll tell you this much. We'll be back arch

539
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: for shortbreak and I'll tell you the conclusion of the

540
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: story of Rose and Jocelyn, the real life Felm and

541
00:29:37,840 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: Louise and how they met their untimely capture. So, Elizabeth,

542
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: we've been talking about Rose in Jocelyn. Have they've had

543
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: a good run. They robbed some men, they had some

544
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: fun dressed as nuns, and finally their luck ran out.

545
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: Who would you guess would be the one to undo them?

546
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: Someone wearing one of those cool T shirts. Oh? Good,

547
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: guess No, it was one of their co workers at

548
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: the sex phone operation that they're working at. Oh yeah,

549
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: so at the time they were working as sex phone

550
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: operators in Toronto, because who's gonna ask what goes on

551
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: in the boiler room, right, But turns out one of

552
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: their co workers was like, you know what, I could

553
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: use a couple of bucks, so called in on the

554
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: tip line hand turned him in for the reward. Rose

555
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: gets arrested at the phone sex operator firm. While she's

556
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: on the call, She's like, yeah, so you're riding your

557
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: excuse me, I have to go the officer one second click.

558
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: So her partner, Joscelyn, she gets popped back at their apartment.

559
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: She wasn't writing anything. They were just staying in an

560
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: old folks home right in downtown Toronto. Now neither a woman.

561
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: They resist arrest. They don't try to get violent, they

562
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: don't try to run for it. They don't try to

563
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: kick out a window or punch a cop in the

564
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: throat and steal his car keys and take his car

565
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: and drive off. No, none of that, right, that'd be

566
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: a lot. But instead they're just happily brought in their

567
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: book together. And when they go to make their purple walk,

568
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: there's actually the great film of this. They're laughing and

569
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: smiling like they've have one. They're like, yeah, they did.

570
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: They definitely. They wanted the press there to record their

571
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: smiling faces. They wanted the world to know like, you

572
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: ain't got nothing over on us, just because you got

573
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: us caught. Now, the police, meanwhile, are still like pretty

574
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: darn impressed with them, and they start to get together

575
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: and they're like, wait a minute, somehow we missed it.

576
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: These women also went out to Las Vegas and they

577
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: robbed a few other men out there. Yeah, so they

578
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: had made on their way. Apparently they just went out

579
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: to Vegas rob some men doubled back to Texas and

580
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: then went up to Canada. So they charges all across

581
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: the country and over the border. Right, So their trials

582
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: are pretty much open and shut. It's it's a shortcase.

583
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: They did everything. There's plenty of evidence. They pretty much

584
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: admit to it. And now the women are facing charges

585
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: in Canada and the United States. Right, Canada is not

586
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: as terrible in America. They're like, how about five hundred

587
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: years behind bars? How's that sound? Five hundred years. We're

588
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: not gonna have to do all five hundred years. They

589
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: won't be resurrective, right, But okay, time out. I gotta

590
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: address a ridiculous thing here that this is just property crime, really,

591
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: and these are just stolen a bunch of hundreds of

592
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and some cars and taking some and then

593
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: you've got people who really do commit terrible violent crimes.

594
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: They're not getting five years. No where. Can I write

595
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: a strongly worded letter to complain about this, send it

596
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 1: to Canada. Okay, I'll do that, and then tell them

597
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: talk to your friend America because I have some problems.

598
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,239
Speaker 1: I think maybe like neighbor to neighbor, they could work

599
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: this out. That's right, perfect, Okay, I'll get right on that.

600
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: You're welcome now. Joscelyn. She was thirty one when she

601
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: gets arrested. She has to plead guilty, and she takes

602
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: a plea deal and ends up getting ten years in

603
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: prison on her three charges of aggravated robbery. She takes

604
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: her plea deal because rose Marie is facing nine nine

605
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: years on her own. After the judge has basically started

606
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: walking back to charges from like, you know, we'll get

607
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: them down, down, down. They get him down to ninety

608
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: nine years. She ends up getting sentenced to thirty years

609
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: and a Texas prison out just for stealing some dumb

610
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: dudes cash. Right anyway, So while she's behind bars, though,

611
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: rose Marie ends up learning a new skill. She begins

612
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: to translate books into Brail. Wow. After her release, she's

613
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: now a Brail translator. That's amazing. Yeah, And so I

614
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: just think it's kind of awesome out there, is that

615
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: people would have no idea that they're like reading the work.

616
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: You know, they're just going cruising the long fingers reading

617
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: words and the person who made that for them was

618
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: once a highly skilled robber and full hero outlaw. That's

619
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: like you meet a brail translator, You're like, oh, that's

620
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: a great thing you do. You're like, she's like, yes,

621
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: it did seem like they would have no guesses. Let's

622
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: see about that too. I think that's actually pretty incredible

623
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: that they are offering that to teach that skill in

624
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: a correctional institute. So I don't know if it was

625
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: like a correspondence course that she had to do, but

626
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: I do not know. That's a cool thing. Yeah, I

627
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: give her credit more than the well sure, but I

628
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: mean like a lot of times people who are incarcerated

629
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: don't have access to complete these kind of workable career things,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's pretty cool. I thought that. I thought

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Speaker 1: you'd enjoy that one. I did. So what's our ridiculous

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Speaker 1: takeaway here? A ridiculous takeaway? Well, for me, uh, number one,

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Speaker 1: for various purposes. I'm not going to send emails anymore.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to distribute novelty shirts. I think that

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Speaker 1: that is Actually I agree with you that that is

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Speaker 1: the ridiculous takeaway here is if you want to raise

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Speaker 1: your profile novelty T shirt campaign, so don't do a

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Speaker 1: city you've never been to just so people know you're coming. Look,

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Speaker 1: in this digital age, everything's virtual or so far away.

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Speaker 1: I want to write a message that touches your body

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Speaker 1: and you have to wear it around and loses its

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Speaker 1: inc after seven washes. Yes, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: I'm Elizabeth Dutton and I'm Szaren Burnett. You can find

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Speaker 1: us online at Ridiculous Crime on both Twitter and Instagram.

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Speaker 1: If you've got a tip for us about a ridiculous

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Speaker 1: confess to Ridiculous Crime, email us at ridiculous Crime at

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Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Thanks for joining us. Ridiculous Crime is

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Speaker 1: hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnett, produced and edited

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Speaker 1: by the Love Bandit Dave Cousti, researches by Bad Bad,

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Speaker 1: Marissa Brown, Baddest Researcher and This Whole Damn Town. The

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Speaker 1: theme song is by Thomas stagger Lee and Big Bad

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Speaker 1: trav This Dutton executive producers are Ben Here Comes Trouble

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Speaker 1: Bowling and Nolf Just Punch It Brown. Ridiculous Crime is

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