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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Monday, January twelfth, and we

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Speaker 2: have a stacked night of headlines. The Ohio double homicide

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Speaker 2: suspect makes his big appearance in court today.

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Speaker 3: What a sight to see.

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Speaker 2: Also, our beloved Melissa Gilbert, you'll remember her from Little

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Speaker 2: House in the Prairie. Her third husband has been accused

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Speaker 2: of very bad things, including child abuse. Also the judges

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Speaker 2: big reversal of their decision in the Luigi Mangioni case.

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Speaker 2: Plus we're going to do a deep dive into billionaire

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Speaker 2: Leon Black's shady connection to sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Like

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Speaker 2: we always say, follow the money. I'm Stephanie Leidecker and

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Speaker 2: a head of KT Studios where we make true crime

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Speaker 2: podcasts and documentaries, and I get to be here every

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Speaker 2: night with Courtney Armstrong and Body move in. We have

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Speaker 2: producer Taha in the house. Plus it's Sam and Adam

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Speaker 2: in the controller room and one of them. You guess

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Speaker 2: who has a birthday today, So happy birthday, Sam.

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Speaker 3: We love you.

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Speaker 2: And listen, the world seems a little upside down. It

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Speaker 2: often does, so let's all focus on the crimes that

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Speaker 2: we can control.

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Speaker 3: Where should we begin, Courtney Armstrong.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I actually think bodies should get into

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Speaker 4: Ohio first because I'm dying to hear a little bit

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Speaker 4: more details.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can do that. So today was the first

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Speaker 3: court appearance for the suspect in this double homicide. His

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Speaker 3: name is Michael David McGee and he's thirty nine. He's

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Speaker 3: the suspect and the double homicide of the Columbus couple

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Speaker 3: that we've been following, Spencer and Monique Teppe. Michael McKee

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Speaker 3: he is, it's the victim, Monique's ex husband, and he's

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Speaker 3: accused of killing Monique and her husband, Spencer, in their

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Speaker 3: home on December thirtieth, while their children, aged one and four,

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Speaker 3: were inside and unharmed. Thankfully, prosecutors did upgrade the charges

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Speaker 3: to aggravated murder with premeditation and Michael McKee is set

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Speaker 3: to be returned to Ohio to face the charges. Now

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Speaker 3: here's some of the conversation points that we can get

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Speaker 3: into the accused murderer, Michael David McKee. He's a vascular

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Speaker 3: surgeon and again he is the ex husband of Monique.

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Speaker 3: Monique is thirty nine and her husband, Spencer was thirty

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Speaker 3: seven and he was a dentist. They shared two children,

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Speaker 3: of extended family. Now here's the charges. Michael McKee faces

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Speaker 3: two counts of aggravated murder with premeditation, facing life without

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Speaker 3: penalty and the aggravated addition to the charges could bring

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Speaker 3: be discussed. Michael McKee is currently held in the Winnebago

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Speaker 3: Franklin County Jail in Ohio. Today was the hearing and

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Speaker 3: he did waive his extradition, so they are going to

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Speaker 3: proceed with that without any fanfare. The victims in this case,

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Speaker 3: this is about the crime. The victims, Monique and Spenser,

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Speaker 3: were murdered on December thirtieth, between two am and five

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Speaker 3: Several friends and colleagues requested wellness checks when he didn't

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Speaker 3: calling nine one one, Right, do you guys remember these

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Speaker 3: nine to one one calls that we all know?

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Speaker 2: The nine one calls were staggering, And just to stop

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Speaker 3: This is a doctor.

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Speaker 2: This is a doctor who while he appeared in court

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Speaker 2: from a decade ago. Any sched is his doctor grudge match?

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Speaker 2: He's a surgeon. Yeah, I mean a surgeon. I mean

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Speaker 3: I mean, was it? Do you think it was a

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Speaker 2: The phone records, eventually her text exchanges, if there were any,

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Speaker 3: Now you're way in over your head.

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Speaker 2: She literally moved to a different state, allegedly her mom

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Speaker 2: he was at work. So again allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. But

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Speaker 2: you look at this guy standing in court today. He's tall,

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Speaker 3: He's a great surgeon.

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Speaker 2: If you can imagine going on a blind date, this

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Speaker 2: Yet he can murder two people in cold blood and

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Speaker 3: Right, five and a half hours he drove from Illinois

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Speaker 3: to Ohio to commit this murder allegedly, right, Like, that's

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Speaker 3: what he's accused of. And you know, obviously, if you're

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Speaker 3: there's gonna be some premeditation there, right, Like you're not

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Speaker 4: And I know we talk about this even if it's

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Speaker 2: And again, this is a smart guy, and sometimes very

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Speaker 2: Sometimes that can mask really dangerous things. So this guy

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Speaker 2: Who kills two people? I know, I've said this so

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Speaker 2: And by the way, this was not just a you know,

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Speaker 3: But how the hell did he get in there too?

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Speaker 3: If there wasn't any force to entry? Well, this is

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Speaker 3: something to the effect of emotionally, I can't look again.

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Speaker 3: So it's like he's in the in the home. How

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Speaker 2: That maybe he knew the code. This is speculation. I

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Speaker 3: Just now, I've heard many different things about the code.

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Speaker 2: From it's people cheat all the time, people break up

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Speaker 2: You outgrow them now ten years later, regardless of the circumstance,

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Speaker 3: He doesn't seem like he manages such a beautiful couple,

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Speaker 3: Spencer and Monique Rights. I mean, I look at these

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Speaker 3: photos of these two. They were like idyllic, right, they

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Speaker 3: this relationship with him, still didn't deserve what happened to her, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: I don't want anybody to take the gossip thing wrong,

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Speaker 3: Like I'm definitely not victim blaming in any capacity, Like

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Speaker 3: whatever they did is not their fault for this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously no one deserves that kind of end if

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Speaker 4: you're just joining us, this is true crime. Tonight, We're

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Speaker 4: on iHeartRadio. I'm Courtney Armstrong, so lucky to be here

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Speaker 4: with Stephanie Leideker and body move in and we're talking

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Speaker 4: And the woman, Monique Tepe's ex husband, Michael David McKee is,

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Speaker 4: has been arrested. So I want to go back to

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Speaker 4: that or is it pure speculation.

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Speaker 3: It's speculation based on that there was no forced entry.

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Speaker 3: So the no forced entry is like a really key

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Speaker 3: indicator in this case. Thus far right, no windows were broken,

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Speaker 3: no doors were smashed in, So whoever did this got

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Speaker 3: There's really only a couple different ways you can get

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Speaker 2: Yes, now at the timeline too, it's like the thirtieth right,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 3: What seems like a very wild Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: So well, it seems like Leon Black slipped Epstein more

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Speaker 2: One hundred and seventy million dollars, Like.

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Speaker 3: The company he co founded or founded, the Apollo Group,

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Speaker 3: Why it's crazy?

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Speaker 4: Well, their relationship seems it was really intertwined. It seemed

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but uh yeah, their relationship so Epstein and

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Speaker 3: So he I went and looked, and he appears in

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Speaker 3: He appears in email exchanges discussing that MIT donation. Remember

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Speaker 3: But why were they mention it in relation to Epstein?

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Speaker 2: They But also some women connected to Epstein have alledged

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Speaker 2: So those charges were filed, you know, Leon Black says, Nope,

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Speaker 4: And speaking of the victims, so the victim who brought

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Speaker 2: Who gets to go and pay all of their bills

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Speaker 3: It's so good. Some of the emails that Epstein sent

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Speaker 2: is not paid the forty million dollars a month that

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Speaker 2: they had agreed to. Forty million dollars a month in

438
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: tax planning.

439
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's twenty five million upfront every month and then

440
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 3: five million dollars or something like that every I can't

441
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 3: remember what it was, but it's it's a lot of

442
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 3: money and more than all every.

443
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Speaker 2: Single month for state planning, for tax evasion, I mean

444
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 2: tax planning. Now listen, you're at this little Saint John

445
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 2: Island that's like Epstein's island, right, So this is in

446
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: the US Virgin Islands. Maybe there's different regulatory systems. Sure

447
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 2: comes to money or looking the other way, but if

448
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 2: ashes like leaving the building in astronomical ways, it just

449
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 2: begs the question why was it just purely tax evasion?

450
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Speaker 3: Possibly?

451
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 2: But again with that level of money, is that what

452
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 2: you really need to be doing? Is cutting corners for taxes?

453
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 2: Or is it something potentially far larger?

454
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Speaker 4: I mean, the answer to the first question is plenty

455
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Speaker 4: of people with lots and lots of cash.

456
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Speaker 3: You're like, are they really worried about taxes? The answer

457
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 3: is yes. And there are also that that house was

458
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 3: so weird too.

459
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Speaker 2: With all that money, you think you would have a

460
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Speaker 2: little bit of taste and some nice furnishings, dentist chair. Yeah, exactly.

461
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 2: Money was not chic and it was not cozy. It

462
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: was just strange.

463
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Speaker 4: Well, b of A, by the way, body you had said,

464
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Speaker 4: you know what is the what else is in this?

465
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Speaker 3: And it's the salt.

466
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Speaker 4: The suit also accuses b of A to report these large,

467
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Speaker 4: large transactions because it's in total violation of the Bank

468
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 4: Secrecy Act, which requires banks to report this crazy suspicious activity.

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Speaker 3: This is your crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

470
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 3: crime all the time. We're right in the middle of

471
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Speaker 3: talking about the Epstein files and this connection with this

472
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Speaker 3: billion mega mega millionaire uh Leon Black, and some of

473
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Speaker 3: the emails that have been released kind of show this

474
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Speaker 3: like meebe fiery relationship that they had. Would you guys

475
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 3: say that's kind of fiery? Yeah, it sounds a little spicy.

476
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: How about the birthday card for Jeffrey Epstein's I don't

477
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: know that birthday?

478
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Speaker 3: So yeah, court go ahead, paint us a picture. I don't.

479
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, if we remember that birthday book, it was a

480
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 4: birthday book from two thousand and three, and in it

481
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 4: there were many of these pictures prominent men, men whose

482
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 4: names we know. I won't drag them up right this second,

483
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 4: but it was a lot of sort of pictures of

484
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Speaker 4: young girl rolls and all these creepy things.

485
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Speaker 3: I don't think I've seen this Jeffrey Epstein. Yes, okay,

486
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 3: now now I remember. Sorry.

487
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 4: It was a book that was put together and honestly,

488
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 4: one entry more embarrassing than the next. What Leon Black

489
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 4: said in his birthday note is there's a book of poems,

490
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 4: and his poem was blonde read or brunette, spread out

491
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 4: geographically with this net of fish. Jeff's now the Old

492
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Speaker 4: Man and the Sea, and he signed it braced yourself

493
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Speaker 4: loving kisses, Leon.

494
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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, is he talking about us?

495
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 3: Yes? Are we fish in the sea? I think we

496
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 3: are the fish in the sea. Oh my goodness, it was.

497
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Speaker 2: Okay, I interviewed President Trump white right once, many many

498
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: years ago.

499
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: And wait a minute, you interviewed President Trump.

500
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't the president at the time. Presidency, so

501
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: I should say Donald Trump I interviewed many times ago

502
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: when he was nothing but lovely and he wasn't lascivious

503
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 2: or anything in any way. And it's good to know,

504
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 2: just fyi. But again that's not here North area. If

505
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: you look at his birthday message to Epstein, it was

506
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 2: pretty lucivious.

507
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, that one. No, that one came. I mean

508
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 4: that was big news. I think we might all remember

509
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 4: the pictures. And it was a drawing of a woman

510
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 4: and they were bosoms.

511
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 3: And it was the whole thing. He said.

512
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: It was like fabricated and not real and it was

513
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: made up. So this is from that same book.

514
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: And by the way, I remember last thing. Yes, it

515
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 3: was like a curvy woman, right, like correct.

516
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: Right, And when Courtney is describing right now, it's just

517
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: it's like losing also some of the context of its handwritten,

518
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: and it looks like a child wrote now he looks

519
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: like a serial killer. The handwriting is atrocious. It's so weird.

520
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: And it's just this. It's a longer, even poem than that.

521
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: And again everyone's denying that this was like a creepy thing.

522
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: It's pretty creepy. Really, it's pretty creepy.

523
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 4: Oh speaking, not creepy, but again felonious and abhorrent. So

524
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 4: this guy that we're talking about billionairely on Black good

525
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 4: buds with Ebstein. There has also been a Jane Doe lawsuit.

526
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 4: An autistic woman alleges that she was raped at Ebstein's

527
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 4: mansion back in two thousand and two and that at

528
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 4: the time she was sixteen years old. Black denies the

529
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 4: klans by Leon by Leon Black.

530
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Speaker 3: That's correct.

531
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Speaker 4: So this Jaine d All lawsuit is that Leon Black

532
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 4: raped o ausistic woman when she was sixteen year years old,

533
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 4: and Blacks representatives say that it's category erically false. But

534
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 4: the case is still ongoing in Manhattan. So that's one thing.

535
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 3: Is that part of what the Epstein files should contain, right,

536
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: because I mean we should expect to see something from that, right. Well, No,

537
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: it's still ongoing.

538
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: This is still also, Yes, that was ongoing, and some

539
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: of these findings are being sort of rehighlighted since the

540
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: dump from the DOJ or from the estate, et cetera. Again,

541
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: this is all happening from late twenty twenty five, but

542
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: now that everybody is really going through things very clearly,

543
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: these are the things that are coming to light. And

544
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: again I'll keep saying it to nauseum. It's not about lists,

545
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: it's not about a single person. It is about the

546
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: financial transactions that enabled a person to have such a

547
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: worldwide cover up period. And you cannot tell me that

548
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: we're not filled with distractions right now, And I think

549
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: the we're just getting started right now.

550
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: We're definitely being filled with distractions. Like I mean, even

551
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: myself in getting distracted, you know what I mean, Like

552
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: I'm falling for it one hundred percent. But we did

553
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: say we were going to stay on top of it,

554
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: and we are going to continue to do so now.

555
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: So the general idea, I just want to summarize this

556
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: real quickly. The general idea is that Leon Black was

557
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 3: giving Epstein all this money and it was way over

558
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: the standard market value for what he was paying, right

559
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: Like and even Apollo that did that analysis of those

560
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: investments or those payments said, that's way more money than

561
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: we normally pay anybody for these services. So there had

562
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Speaker 3: to be something. Are they Are they implying that he

563
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: was being blackmailed by Jeffrey Epstein?

564
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: I'm implying that personally, But oh okay, well I said

565
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: it so right, So my hunch, my spidy sense is

566
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 2: that Jeffrey Epstein has has the goods, has blackmail on

567
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: just about everybody. And you know when he says pay

568
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: me forty million dollars a month, he means it.

569
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Speaker 3: This is a real high profile.

570
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: Remember, you know Worre New Yorkers or I'm a New

571
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: Yorker formerly, you know the Museum of Modern Art, the

572
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: board he's on that board.

573
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: These are the.

574
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,239
Speaker 2: Most prestigious, high falutin people. So it's giving access to

575
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: Epstein to all the socialites and and yeah, you kind

576
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: of have to cover up a little bit of a

577
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: mess allegedly allegedly, allegedly allegedly, but we do have a

578
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: talk back right now.

579
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Speaker 6: Let's go to that, hey, ladies, just to speak on

580
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 6: adding to KRT and then being satisfied with that.

581
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: My aunt went to therapy.

582
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 6: For shopaholic, and that's actually what they tell her to

583
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 6: do is add things to her car when she goes

584
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 6: to the store, put things in her basket, and then

585
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 6: before she checks out, she has to go through it

586
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 6: and take everything out that is not necessary.

587
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: Goods scratches the itch. So it really does. It scratches

588
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 3: the itch. I mean it does, but so does opening

589
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: up gage does it.

590
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: You see, I think that's actually becoming a ledged sword

591
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: because you open the package and then you got to

592
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: return something, and then you have the Bayer's remorse, and

593
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: then you have to print the label, and then you

594
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: got to bring it to the UPS or the.

595
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 3: Federal and that's the worst. Bringing into the PPS store

596
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 3: is the worst.

597
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: Then it's past your ten day window. That's actually a

598
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: low key like second job.

599
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: That is so annoying. So I say no more purchasing.

600
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: I will return things like I get from Amazon or something,

601
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: and I will literally stack the up of my door.

602
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: I will go through the whole process Amazon. Now there's

603
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: a UPS store right by my house. Okay, so I

604
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 3: could easily go to the UPS store. But let me

605
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: tell you something. Every time I go there, there's three

606
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: people in front of me and they all have sixty

607
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: four packages to me, and I'm like, you know what,

608
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 3: And then they just put a kiosk and it's amazing.

609
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: I love the kiosk, but now people are using that

610
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 3: and there's three people in line in front of me

611
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: for that with twenty two packages. I'm like, oh my god,

612
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 3: I can't read the kiosk.

613
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: The kiosk, do you I love the Kiosk the worst.

614
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: There's nothing I dislike.

615
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure there's other things I dislike more, but

616
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: the grocery store when you have to do yourself check out.

617
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 3: I love it. Oh my goodness.

618
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 2: I'm always the one that's like, help please, like they

619
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: still have to help me.

620
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: I'm trying to weigh the bananas.

621
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: I can't get my rewards card to match up, like

622
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: it is so irritating. That is a crazy making thing.

623
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: So the Kiosk makes me crazy. The returns whose printer

624
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: ever really works correctly?

625
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 3: Get me started. If there's a Kosk, I will use it.

626
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 3: Do you make way to do it?

627
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 4: I tell you what, I'm a pretty targeted purchaser, so

628
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 4: in that I don't I don't tend to return perfect.

629
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 3: I have not do exactly.

630
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 4: No no no, But I with the cart thing. I

631
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 4: absolutely have the car thing. And then I'll do I'll

632
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 4: pop it in and then i'll leave it. I'll just

633
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 4: undelete and it's in the not ready yet or whatever,

634
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 4: but I'll keep it there be like okay, but I'll

635
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 4: try and think do I really need this?

636
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 3: Like did you guys used to do LAYAWAYA? Oh?

637
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: I love it marshals back in the day, Caldor.

638
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 3: For me, like me and my mom, we would pick

639
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 3: whatever the thing hell door, Yeah, I loved held. That's

640
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 3: like a little heart warmer.

641
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 4: But I tend to keep things. I don't tend to. Yeah,

642
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 4: I just don't tend to return that much. Okay, But

643
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 4: you want to know a real filth secret about me? Yes,

644
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 4: of course, right, here's what I'm leaning in.

645
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 2: All, just like the whole room just went to a

646
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: and uh. I do not mean to brag, but I

647
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: shop a lot at Old Navy.

648
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 3: But here's how I shop. Though.

649
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 4: I go and I will buy I'm talking about you know,

650
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 4: if it's jeans or something that you need, I will

651
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 4: buy maybe five different length size this. I will purchase

652
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 4: a ginormous amount of whatever I'm looking for. I then

653
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 4: bring it home, I try it all on, and then

654
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 4: I return. I know that sounds terrible, but for me,

655
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 4: shopping and then trying on there and the lighting makes me.

656
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 3: The lighting is crazy making. So so I don't do

657
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: the Kiosks. But that is how I shop.

658
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 7: Have you ever gotten lazy? Like I have ordered stuff

659
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 7: and I'm like the hassle of returning it. It's fine,

660
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 7: I'll keep this version. You've done that, Okay, it.

661
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 3: Keeps me up at night. No, I like will get crazy.

662
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my.

663
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: Gosh, I bought the comb ps also like, don't don't

664
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: cry for me, Argentina. I also just spent good money

665
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: on a very high priced laser facial that has done

666
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing. So see, in one place, just throw it

667
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: out the window. At another place, it No, it's been

668
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: very un revelatory waking up for a Christmas Morning present

669
00:35:59,040 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 2: that every day.

670
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: Like I thought, you're only happy if you're like a

671
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 3: reptile for like a week, right.

672
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: But I'm not even suggesting it's not even about that.

673
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: It's just like, as I say, oh, don't spend money

674
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 2: and like don't buy anything. Maybe that's also something that

675
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: should go in that category. But I also think buyers

676
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: remorse if you put it in the cart, and maybe

677
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: Courtney that also applies to your theory you buy in

678
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: every size, shape and color. I get that because you

679
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: just want to like be trying it on with the

680
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: right shirts. Why are we doling out fashion advice right now?

681
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: But that said, then you think about it, you sleep

682
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: on it, you know, wait three days, that's what they say,

683
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 2: and then do I really need this?

684
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 3: And then you return it? That seems actually very sensible.

685
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 3: I don't.

686
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 7: I can share one story back in the Sally days

687
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 7: about buying and returning. You know why I'm gonna deny

688
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 7: it should say, well, back in the day, most of

689
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 7: our guests that were on Salad Jess Rafael, they own

690
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 7: like awful clothing and they had like, you know, one

691
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 7: T shirt. We would go down the street to the

692
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 7: gap buy the things so the guests could wear it

693
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 7: on the show then return it afterwards. And when I

694
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 7: tell you, like literally we had guests that had lice,

695
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 7: that had all kinds of issues. It just it's it's

696
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 7: probably too gross to stay on air. But it was like, oh,

697
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 7: I can't believe these items.

698
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 3: You die.

699
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I should never have said that out loud.

700
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 4: You know the itches you're giving me themes.

701
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: Sometimes we had to wear hats because the lights was

702
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: so real serious.

703
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 7: Oh god, the life situation that was really bad for

704
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 7: some of the guests.

705
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 2: And doctor ashk Nazi would sometimes have to do teeth

706
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 2: day of yeah, because it was like pre Facebook and

707
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: like somebody would come to the show and they wouldn't

708
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: have front.

709
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 3: Teeth and you're like, oh my goodness, surprise.

710
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: And then they would just like have some teeth, like

711
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 2: a flipper type situation just for the day.

712
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: So they didn't get to keep it.

713
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 7: The flippers. They probably got to keep flippers.

714
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 3: Would imagine they would keep it, like.

715
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 7: We can't reuse those teeth, but who knows. We were

716
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 7: on a tight budget, so maybe return.

717
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: To the gap, return to well. Plus, they have to

718
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,479
Speaker 3: wear certain kinds when you go on TV. You can't

719
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 3: wear like zig zags and like stripes, and yeah it

720
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 3: has to be camera friendly.

721
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, but most of it was not even like appropriate

722
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 7: stuff to wear. But anyway, those are the fun days

723
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 7: back in the day.

724
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 2: So there's that new Mariy Povich documentary coming out. There's

725
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 2: some sort of a series that I kind of have

726
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: heard about in the background today for a commercial that

727
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 2: Maury Povich is talking about.

728
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: So I'm sure that includes all of those. It's going

729
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 3: to be called You Are Not the Father or something

730
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 3: like that.

731
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: Yes, is it really we used to do like paternity

732
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: tests and people driveways.

733
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, the stories are pretty endless.

734
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, one day we'll share some of the awful stories,

735
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 7: but not today.

736
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Speaker 3: Well listen if you're just joining us. This is true

737
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 3: crime tonight. We're on Ihea Radio.

738
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Speaker 4: We love to hear from you always, so you can

739
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 4: leave us a talk back at any time. You go

740
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: to the iHeartRadio app up upper right hand corner. There's

741
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 4: a little red microphone you present record and you were

742
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 4: on the show, and let's go to another talkback.

743
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Speaker 8: Hey all, this is Gina in Florida. I was listening

744
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 8: on Thursday thinking Batchell this Weekend a show that I

745
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 8: was watching that I thought we'd give everybody a laugh.

746
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 8: The new series with the HG TV series that I

747
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 8: watched on HBOMT called Neighborhood Watch. It's similar to like

748
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 8: Funniest come Videos, but at ring video things like that

749
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 8: just sort of sort of caught on camera at your

750
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 8: home or workplace or whatever. It was so funny. There's

751
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 8: only one episode out and I just was laughing, laughing

752
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 8: the entire time, and I I think I'm gonna throw up.

753
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 8: I'm laughing so hard. I did not throw up. It

754
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 8: was so coirl. I was just laughing so much. Anyway,

755
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 8: I thought y'all might get a kick out of it.

756
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 8: Something that just takes us out of all the difficult

757
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 8: times that we're all going through. So I just wanted

758
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 8: to let you guys know about that thought. It's kind

759
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 8: of entertaining just for you know, twenty minutes.

760
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 2: We love to great suggestion, but I'm using that kind

761
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: of ring footage for something that's not to catch a

762
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 2: burglar or ber is so fun.

763
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: I love on Instagram or TikTok and want to literally

764
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 3: search that out because I will spend I'll be like, oh,

765
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 3: it's eight o'clock, I'm going to sit down and doom

766
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: scroll a little bit and just like veg you out right.

767
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 3: Next thing I know, I look up, it's eleven thirty

768
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 3: and I've been watching people slip in their driveways on

769
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: ring cams. I love that stuff, that good stuff. So,

770
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to see I don't want

771
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 3: to see people get hurt. Most of the time you're

772
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 3: laughing the ones that I like. But those are my

773
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: favorite videos. So I'm going to have to watch that show.

774
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for the suggestion. I will totally

775
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 3: watch it too. Love.

776
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 4: I mean, I am the audience for America's funniest tone videos.

777
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: There is nothing too corny for me. I mean neither.

778
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: I love corny stuff. I like for some corny, you know,

779
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 3: stuff where people don't really keeping but they're morally they're

780
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: more like embarrassed that they fell right, not that they

781
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: broke their arm. Like they're more embarrassed, and like some

782
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: of these driveway things are hilarious, like the man will

783
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: fall down the stairs and slip on his butt and

784
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 3: then the wife will come out to be like, bank,

785
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: what are you doing some test?

786
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: I hold down the driveway twice a week easily.

787
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 3: I hold down something. I am just like klutzy.

788
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: I was just thinking, like what would our ring cameras

789
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 2: say about us.

790
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: Me that I carry?

791
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 4: Okay, there's a couple of the's two kinds of people

792
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 4: in the world. So I'll break it down in my

793
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 4: life with me and my best friend. I walk out

794
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 4: the door, I have five water bottles and jugs of coffee.

795
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 4: I have keys in my hand, a phone, five bags.

796
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 4: And then there's people like my best friend who walk

797
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 4: out with like a wristlet, and our whole life isn't

798
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 4: so they would see me look like a junk show

799
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 4: walking in and out of my house.

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Speaker 3: That's my right down. You do carry a lot of stuff.

801
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 3: I can't think of another person. I'm just trying to.

802
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Courtney always has the largest water bottle that's ever.

803
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 3: It's like full on, like ten gallon bottle of water

804
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: with a straw.

805
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: By the way, you do too, but that's a more

806
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: reasonable like, that's a reasonable Corney. If you could show yours,

807
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: please do. I'm sure it's somewhere in that room. Yeah no,

808
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, okay. So oh, she'll have like a

809
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: coffee and iced coffee that she'll sit on throughout the day.

810
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: That's like seventeen thousand ounces.

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00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: So again, picture the largest cup of coffee, iced with

812
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: a straw and like kind of a loose top. So

813
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 2: it because that's for destruction at any time. She's been

814
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: sipping on it for eleven hours. And then two bags

815
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,479
Speaker 2: and a lot of books. There's a computer involved. They're

816
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 2: all in your hands.

817
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just a lot of stuff.

818
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 7: Yeah.

819
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 3: One of my favorite like things in the world is

820
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 3: a is a coffee with the ice right and then

821
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 3: shaking the cup okay, like that sound I don't know what,

822
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: like shake like stirring it like hold up your like

823
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 3: you know, because sometimes the ice melt and it gets watery.

824
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 3: You can stir up a little bit. There's long melted

825
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 3: unlucky only woman that dissatisfies because it's so satisfying to

826
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Speaker 3: me for whatever reason. I don't know why. Because I

827
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 3: make my coffee at home, my ice coffee, and I

828
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 3: only drink ice coffee really cold in the morning. Bird.

829
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: Now I can't coffee. Let me tell you something. If

830
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: I drink black coffee, it upsets my tummy. And I

831
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 3: don't why milk yeah, so I well, no, I I

832
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,479
Speaker 3: do creamer. I do coconut creamer. It's my favorite. And

833
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 3: like anytime I go anywhere, like asking the I am like,

834
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 3: we have to stop at the grocertore. I have to

835
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 3: get my coconut creamer. I can't. I can't live without it,

836
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: you know. So I have to add the coconut creamer

837
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 3: and the black coffee. But swirling the ice in the cup.

838
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 3: For whatever reason, that doesn't satisfy you guys in my

839
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 3: reaction you're having.

840
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 7: How that happens.

841
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: I like it. I love and I cannot deal without ice.

842
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: When I went to Europe and Malaysia, I was dying

843
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 3: because they're like ice, No good luck with that. If

844
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: there's no ice, it's like I don't want it. I

845
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 3: just don't want it.

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00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: My sweet mother has me trained that I have to

847
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: have hot coffee in the bed as soon as I

848
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: wake up, and it's like my morning ritual. And it

849
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: probably isn't great for me, and I filled it. It's

850
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: like full of sugar and a gave everything sweet. But

851
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: it has to be warm. I would be too cold

852
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 2: in the morning.

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00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 4: But that sounds wonderful, Stephanie, to bring something hot into

854
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 4: bed and sit there and do you like.

855
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: I was time a moment before the day, yo, I

856
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: like have a little moment watching my news and maybe

857
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: some doom scrolling.

858
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 3: What is doom squirreling mean? Exactly? What's the definition of

859
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 3: doing I don't know what. It's just sling like through

860
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 3: reels or tiktoks or YouTube shorts and you just name.

861
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 3: For me it say automaticness is what it means to me.

862
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 3: But for me, it's automatic.

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00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 7: Yeah.

864
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: I look at like funny puppy giggles and like even like, yeah,

865
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: people slipping in their driveways.

866
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 3: It never gets alot, you know it.

867
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: It's just funny and they're funny, and yeah, everyone goes

868
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: down with them.

869
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 3: It's icy out there right now.

870
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 2: Nobody hurt themselves. But you know, a good trip and

871
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: a fall as a trip and a faller, or can't

872
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Speaker 2: take yourself.

873
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 7: With the packages that explode the ring cam.

874
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 3: I think those are fake?

875
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 7: Those are they?

876
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 3: I don't like. I hate the setup of pranks where

877
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 3: I know it's fake. Oh, I hate them so much.

878
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 3: But the ones where people get scared, like the rifle

879
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: hide behind the counter.

880
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: You don't think it's funny when one of the kids

881
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: calls their parents and is like, Dad, when I come

882
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: home with the cops, you have to say that.

883
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: I love that.

884
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: I'm seeing the parent jump into action. Is you have

885
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: to be like laying down on the ground and then

886
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: the daddy on the ground.

887
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 3: Leg It's the best. I love bost as in keep

888
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Speaker 3: it here.

889
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 4: At the top of the hour, we have more with

890
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 4: what's going on with Melissa Gilbert's husband that more True

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Speaker 4: Crime Tonight, Melissa Gilbert.

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00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,640
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895
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901
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: we love your talk back, so keep those coming. So

902
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 2: this story with Melissa Gilbert, I know we keep leading

903
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: as if it's Melissa Gilbert the crime being committed, but

904
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: nobody knows her husband's name. So this is a complicated run, right, body.

905
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: So Melissa Gilbert, our beloved half pint from Little House

906
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 2: in the Prairie, she is, you know, if you haven't

907
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: seen Little House in.

908
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 3: The Prairie, it's for sure dating me.

909
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: It's from like a thousand years ago, but was my

910
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: favorite show at one point. She's got married for the

911
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: I believe, the third time to a fancy director. He

912
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: used to be an actor on West Wing and now

913
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: he's a director in Trouble.

914
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 3: Don't get me started. Test. I texted Courtney this weekend

915
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, Danny kin Cannon because he's

916
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 3: on the West Wing, our favorite show, our favorite show,

917
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: Courtney AND's favorite show. So yeah, actor director, his name

918
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 3: is Timothy Bussfield and he was on the West Wing

919
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 3: and Field. He was also on Field of Dreams. Oh

920
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: that's the famous Field of Dreams. If you build it

921
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 3: they will come right, that's yeah. And thirty something from

922
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 3: back to the day. Something that was a thing.

923
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: We're just talking about that last night. Maybe this is why,

924
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: oh the feel right.

925
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 3: So he but his you know, people know him as

926
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 3: the husband of Melissa Gilbert, you know, and so that's

927
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 3: why people are referring to Melissa Gilbert in this because

928
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 3: that's her husband. She has done nothing wrong. No, she

929
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: has done nothing wrong. Maybe a bad third husband choice, yeah,

930
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: but it's not, you know. But he faces a new

931
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 3: arrest warrant in New Mexico of all places right for

932
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 3: alleged child sexual abuse. So two eleven year old boys

933
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 3: he met while directing the Fox series it's called the

934
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Speaker 3: Cleaning Lady claim inappropriate sexual behavior from twenty twenty two

935
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Speaker 3: to twenty twenty four. So this is very recent. This

936
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 3: is not something that you know, is in his past.

937
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 3: This is a very recent allegation with at least one

938
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 3: victory diagnosed with PTSD and anxiety over this. So he's

939
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: an actor director again. His name is Timothy Bussfield. His

940
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 3: wife is Melissa Gilbert. She is not accused of any

941
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 3: wrongdoing course, although she did deactivate her social media amid

942
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 3: the investigation. And quite frankly, and I'll blame her, you know,

943
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 3: did she.

944
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Speaker 2: By the way, she was like always posting videos. By

945
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 2: the way, half pint, let's just call her little Sweet

946
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 2: half Pint. So little Sweet half Pint is an adult now,

947
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 2: and she then posts the cutest things.

948
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: It's like her cooking. It's all very wholesome.

949
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: She's in the kitchen. And I believe she's been married

950
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: three times. And this guy is being accused of some

951
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: very scary things.

952
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the alleged abuse reportedly began in November of

953
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, when one of the boys was only

954
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 3: seven years old. What size this is not? Yeah, this

955
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 3: is like serious. This is like a serious thing. The

956
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 3: investiga started two years later in November of twenty twenty four.

957
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: The warrants were issued just recently on January ninth, and

958
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: the allegations are pending legal proceedings, with no conviction reported.

959
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 3: And in November of twenty twenty five, Melissa Gilbert, his

960
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 3: wife of the accused, criticized the expectation to kiss a

961
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 3: twenty three year old co star when she was fifteen

962
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 3: on Little House of the Prairie. So this is like

963
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 3: really not foreshadowing, but like, there's close to her home,

964
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 3: close to her heart. I feel like that because she

965
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 3: was a child actress, right, she was a Remember that

966
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 3: storyline when she was fifteen years old? What was that

967
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 3: guy's name? What was his name?

968
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Speaker 7: John?

969
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 3: My character? He was much older? Was it Matt Dylan? No?

970
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 3: He was like kind of her boyfriend. What am I thinking?

971
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: I don't remember in Halfpine's boyfriend in Little Class in

972
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: the Prairie.

973
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 3: No, in real life, Oh.

974
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 2: I think I thinking of little house in the Prairie

975
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: where she was fifteen.

976
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: No, I'm like she had a much older boyfriend.

977
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: I want to say his name was John, and that

978
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: is a pretty well real age difference.

979
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 3: She went on The Megan Kelly Show saying that there's

980
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 3: a difference between a fifteen year old and a five

981
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: year old in the context of sex trafficker. Jeffrey Epstein

982
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 3: is waiting, hold on, Are you sure? She went on

983
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 3: My Understanding? No, she posted in response, I'm sorry. She

984
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 3: posted this in response to Meg Megan Kelly said that, right,

985
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 3: Remember do you remember that big controversy when Meghan Kellen

986
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 3: Megie Meghan Kelly said, well, there's a difference between a

987
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 3: five year old and a fifteen year old. Right, well,

988
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 3: Little austin the Prairie when she was on Melissa, when

989
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 3: she was on Little House in the Prairie respond to

990
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 3: that saying, well, you know I had to it was

991
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 3: it was horrible for me. I had to kiss a

992
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 3: twenty three year old when I was on Little House

993
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 3: in the Prairie when I was fifteen. She was criticizing

994
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 3: me and Kelly for in that response, I probably didn't

995
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 3: say that well, and.

996
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 7: I thought, the actor is his name is Dean Butler

997
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 7: is out? You're thinking about who played Alonzo Wildler?

998
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, goodness, yes, got the steel Mill. You just

999
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 3: woke up a part of my brain that's been asleep

1000
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 3: for thirty years. I'm like, oh yeah. And Mary and

1001
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 3: she was blind, that's right. And Nellie Nellie was curls right, yes,

1002
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 3: perfect curls. Michael Lambdon, that's smart. But if you think.

1003
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 2: About it in context of her just you know, kind

1004
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 2: of speaking out about this so recently her the Meghan

1005
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: Kelly statements about Jeffrey Epstein and pedophilia in the age

1006
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 2: of pedophilia.

1007
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 3: By the way, Melissa Gilbert is probably very right.

1008
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 2: I don't think that would fly today of somebody having

1009
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: make out scenes and kissing scenes with somebody from fifteen

1010
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 2: years old to twenty three year old.

1011
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 3: Although, yeah, I'm sure it does happened right well. The

1012
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 3: UN an UN expert noted in a twenty twenty four

1013
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 3: report that sexual abuse and exploitation of children in the

1014
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: entertainment set industry is widespread, and that victims are often

1015
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 3: met with silence and a lack of investigation. So you know,

1016
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 3: this is something that you know is related because of

1017
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 3: the allegations against Timothy Buzzfield here. Yeah, do you guys

1018
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 3: remember I'm not sure if you saw the documentary Quiet

1019
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 3: was it Quiet on Set? Quiet on Set?

1020
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1021
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,959
Speaker 3: Is that the Nickelodeon one? Yeah, it was the Dark

1022
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: Side of Kicks. It did some title.

1023
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 4: And it was really it was really compelling. It's a

1024
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 4: five part doc actually that came out twenty twenty four.

1025
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 4: I think I watched it last year. But you really

1026
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 4: see what what can go on, and you know, children

1027
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 4: could be separated from their parents because you're in this

1028
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 4: alleged trusted environment and the director at the helm of

1029
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 4: any project is the most trusted and it's it's a

1030
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 4: real nice power.

1031
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 3: And that's one of the things that Melissa Gilbert was

1032
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 3: saying was in her response to Megan Kelly saying that

1033
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: which she was highlighting that children actors are very vulnerable,

1034
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 3: you know, and the pressure that they're all under to

1035
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: you know, get that star on the Hollywood Walk of

1036
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 3: Fame and you know, please their parents in some cases,

1037
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 3: right Like, you know, their parents are maybe living vicariously

1038
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 3: through them in some in some ways, right like or

1039
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 3: mooching off of them.

1040
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: And I thought that the guy that was like the director,

1041
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: the producer of so many of the Nickelodeon Great shows,

1042
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: he was like.

1043
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 3: Abusing many, many, many of them.

1044
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: There had been many allegations against him too, And to

1045
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: your point, it was big business to look the other

1046
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: That is a small slice of a very big picture problem.

1047
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 3: Again that it happens everywhere, right, But.

1048
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: Like that guy got away with so much, and these

1049
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: kids now grow up to be adults and are like,

1050
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: wait what, I'm traumatized for the rest of my life.

1051
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 2: I look back now as an adult and I'm like,

1052
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 2: that was way wrong. That was Melissa Gilbert's point in retrospect.

1053
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 2: Waking back, she felt voiceless at that time. Now as

1054
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 2: an adult woman, having had a very long beautiful career.

1055
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: She has two sons from her previous relationships, built a

1056
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: very big life for herself. She's looking back and is like,

1057
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 2: what in the heck was happening on little less in

1058
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 2: the prairie That was wildly inappropriate. Meanwhile, husband, the third husband,

1059
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 2: who she loves, I'm sure I'm still've been married thirteen years.

1060
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 3: Thirteen years.

1061
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: This guy is, you know, now been accused of doing

1062
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 2: raunchy things to a seven year old again allegedly allegedly

1063
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 2: he has not been convicted.

1064
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 3: By the way, if he is, there's two victims, and

1065
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 3: this too, there's two children.

1066
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 7: Now. Sometimes it's spoken out, but it makes me how

1067
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 7: do you stand with that person? I don't know, Yeah,

1068
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 7: I don't know if there's anything you can say. But then,

1069
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 7: I mean, my mind always goes to like, I don't

1070
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 7: even know if I could look at that person.

1071
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 2: Oh, come on, do you know how many people look

1072
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 2: at their lousy partner. He's doing all kinds of bad

1073
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 2: things and love has gotten you starstruck.

1074
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 3: Suddenly you're like, well, that's not so bad.

1075
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 2: I mean, how many people have been in a relationship

1076
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: with somebody I'm not saying, who's a pedophile?

1077
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 3: This person has been.

1078
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: Accused of and by the way, I hope that's not

1079
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 2: a false allegation, because it's kind of hard to come

1080
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 2: back from these kinds of allegations unless you're Jeffrey Epstein

1081
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 2: and it seems perfectly fine. But in this case, this

1082
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 2: is a hard one to recover from. Right, So you're right,

1083
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 2: Let's assume she loves her husband. She's hearing these things,

1084
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 2: She's like, what do you mean. He's the nicest guy.

1085
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: He's so good to my kids, he's so good to me.

1086
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 2: We cook together in the kitchen.

1087
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 3: Ha ha ha.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, this guy's living a double life on set if

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00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: this is true in New Mexico on a show that

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Speaker 2: I have never seen, The Cleaning, I haven't either.

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Speaker 7: It's excellent. It was a really good series. Yeah, you

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00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 7: should check it out. It was on I'm pretty sure

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00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 7: it was Netflix. And it was involved a little bit

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00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 7: of abuse, so it's a heavy topic, but it was

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Speaker 7: The acting was fantastic, the storyline, it was really good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, but what do you I mean, what do

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00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 3: you do you leave immedia? Well, of course, but like

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00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 3: you're okay, do you wait for the trial to see

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00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 3: the proof or do you just like what do you do?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. This is a tough one, this one.

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00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know.

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00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: I don't walk, but you know, I probably in every

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00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 2: other category having stayed way too long in my day,

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00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 2: not in this scenario.

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00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 3: But you know, sometimes love is very blinding. Yeah, you

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Speaker 3: fill in the blanks.

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Speaker 4: Please correct me if I'm wrong, But I'm understanding that

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00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 4: Timothy Bussfield's location is currently unknown and that the marshals

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00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 4: are looking to find and arrest him.

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Speaker 3: So he is did school? Coach?

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00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 7: What happened?

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00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 3: Travis?

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00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 7: Travis Turner? And we did not find him?

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Speaker 2: Remember that guy who just likes cold of night, because

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00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: they were going to come arrest him, Coach Virginia, right.

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00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, correct, But I were just talking about we need

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Speaker 7: to We were saying tomorrow maybe we should follow up

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00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 7: on that. That's the reason his name came to mind immediately.

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00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 7: But but Travis Turner, that's another case that's very similar.

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Speaker 7: Where still missing. Still the manhunt goes on, and this

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00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 7: is another one that with the Melissa Gilbert's husband. This

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00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 7: is kind of wild, but they go they run.

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Speaker 3: Large a lot.

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Speaker 2: Right now, US Marshalls are looking out the US Marshals,

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Speaker 2: They're going to find him.

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00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 3: They always do, according to the People magazine, I think right,

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00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 3: like cursing that his location remains unknown and the US

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Speaker 3: Marshalls have been assisting police. Three days after the arrest

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Speaker 3: warrant was issued. Is Melissa Gilbert with him?

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Speaker 2: No, she took her social media down, but she's busy

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00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: at home, staying in her house.

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Speaker 3: I assume not with him, right, And I hope so?

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00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 4: Oh no? And I'm I believe he was once or

1134
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Speaker 4: I'm reading this is from the New York Post that

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00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 4: he was actually ordered to pay one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: thousand dollars for a case involving allegations of child sexual

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00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 4: assault thirty years ago.

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Speaker 3: What okay? So that changes everything for me? Leave immediately

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00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 3: because obviously there's a pattern here. Right, thirty years ago?

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Speaker 3: Was he on the West w England?

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Speaker 4: So it occurred in nineteen ninety six, which, holy cow,

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00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 4: that is when it occurred. In nineteen ninety six, a

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00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 4: warrant was issued for his arrest in connection with child

1144
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Speaker 4: sex abuse, and yeah, a judge ordered him to pay

1145
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 4: a firm the amount of money that it cost to

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Speaker 4: defend himself in a defamation suit filed by bus Field.

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Speaker 2: Money money, money, money. Who has that kind of money

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Speaker 2: to hush people up too? The regular person doesn't have

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01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty thousand dollars just lying in their

1150
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 2: bank account to be able to pay off an offender,

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01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 2: somebody that you victimized, and then you go on and

1152
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 2: you marry sweet half Pints, who probably has stars in

1153
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: her eyes and is believing his nonsense.

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Speaker 3: Oh, ladies, this is what she was. All on the bench,

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Speaker 3: we had to do.

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Speaker 2: Background checks on everybody. It's I'm sorry everybody. Yeah, everybody's

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01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 2: allowed to go out on a date, not with that approval.

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Speaker 7: That was Noory last Wing. So just in case I

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Speaker 7: think I slipped and said it was while he was

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Speaker 7: on West Wing. The ninety six accusation was before he

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Speaker 7: was on the show in nineteen ninety nine with west Wing.

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Speaker 3: So but this was the before west Wing and West

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Speaker 3: Wing still brought him on board.

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Speaker 4: And at the time, Timothy Busfield he claimed that this

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01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 4: firm we had to pay the money to made up

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Speaker 4: the story that he sexually assaulted a seventeen year old girl.

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Speaker 4: And this girl was an extra on the set of

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Speaker 4: his movie Little Big Lead. And there has to be

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Speaker 4: something here because you know, according to the arrest warrant

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Speaker 4: for him. Currently, a doctor is the one who alerted

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Speaker 4: authorities about.

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Speaker 3: By the way, the times are a change in I

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01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 3: don't think this is going to fly anyboy.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 2: Listen, the world is crazy. It feels like everybody feels

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01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 2: divided again for some reason. I think everybody.

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Speaker 3: Agrees boo on this. There's not a man or a

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01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 3: woman that cannot agree. This stinks.

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Speaker 2: And pedophilia, any kind of sex abuse against children, we all.

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Speaker 3: Band together on that one. I think we all agree

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01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 3: on that. As a country. I think we all agree

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Speaker 3: on that. There's one thing. You're right, there's one thing

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01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 3: we all agree on.

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01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: It is that please, yes, let us be better to

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Speaker 2: each other and to the children in our lives.

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Speaker 3: Listen, keep it here.

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Speaker 4: We have an update in the Luigiman ge O in

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01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 4: case the judge has made a bit of an about face,

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Speaker 4: so we'll get into that. We have more stories to.

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Speaker 3: Cover True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 2: true crime all the time.

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Speaker 3: Steph here with.

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Speaker 2: Courtney and Body and Courtney and I are still recovering

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01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 2: that this man, Melissa Gilbert's husband, is currently at large.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that it was new information when we

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01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 3: went live, but so yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Timothy Busfield, and listen that red Hair is going to do,

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Speaker 4: you know, favors. There's only like a very small person

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Speaker 4: that's kind.

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Speaker 3: Of right now. He's kind of like white Hair now,

1202
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 3: but he's probably in a different country or something by this.

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01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 4: Heck, yes, I would assume if he's on the run,

1204
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 4: then he would be on the run for reasons.

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Speaker 3: It's not like he has a lack of money or

1206
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 3: anything like that. But they're gonna they're gonna find him. Listen,

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Speaker 3: They're going to find him. The US Marshals find everybody.

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01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 2: But like again, his character on all of these shows

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01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 2: that now I'm having to like this moment was like

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Speaker 2: this man of great character, like in Tech Hegrity, like

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01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 2: the thirty something like, he was like the soulful guy

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01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 2: that everybody had a big heart for. So you can

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01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 2: see how somebody can become a sucker for that. But again,

1214
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 2: now add some hush money to the equation, throws some

1215
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 2: cash at it, and life goes on and the victims

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Speaker 2: continue to be in his path.

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Speaker 3: Boohe hansty, I'm sorry to hear that. Let's go to

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Speaker 3: a talk back.

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Speaker 9: Hi, ladies, you're talking about Luigi's case.

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Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna attempt his last name and the.

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Speaker 9: Stalking it not being a federally charged issue that it's

1222
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 9: not a threat. Well, what about all the women that

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01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 9: die from being stalked. I think this should be definitely

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Speaker 9: on board and he should get charged with the.

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Speaker 3: Stalking, which should think. I could not agree more.

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Speaker 2: And it is such a smart, astute point because so

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Speaker 2: many women are stocked by the way emmen, so many

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01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 2: people are stoked. I mean, obviously I have a feeling

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Speaker 2: we're going to find out from the Ohio dentist and

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01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 2: Monique Tepe story from segment one, likely they were being

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Speaker 2: stalked to some degree. And yeah, a lot of women

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Speaker 2: lose their lives, probably more so than men, but men too.

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Speaker 2: I think women can be crazy, crazy crazy with the

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Speaker 2: stalking as well.

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Speaker 4: It's well, the numbers really bear out what you're saying, Stephanie,

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01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 4: because one in five women, so picture a table of

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Speaker 4: five women have in lunch, one of them statistically has

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Speaker 4: been stocked. That's twenty percent of all women, and it's

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Speaker 4: half that but still a pretty high number. One in

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Speaker 4: ten men. This is in the United States that have

1241
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 4: been stocked in their lifetime. But it's not a federal

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01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 4: charge though, do you know what I mean?

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01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 3: Like it stocking really cares no, and like a little

1244
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 3: bit right care because it contributed to the death penalty,

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Speaker 3: So I mean I care.

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Speaker 4: Well this we're talking about stalking in general, which may

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Speaker 4: be table for a minute.

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01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 3: Okay, gotcha, but but yeah, just the fact that it

1249
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 3: is so pervasive.

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Speaker 4: I mean, between almost eighty percent of women end up

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01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 4: who are later killed by an partner. And this goes

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01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 4: back to again the tepees that they were stocked beforehand.

1253
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:21,959
Speaker 4: So it is a predicating act sure, and of course

1254
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 4: anyone living through it has fear, has anxiety, is traumatized.

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Speaker 4: Do you guys remember I know, I bring it up

1256
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 4: all the time. Lover Stalker Killer documentary that was so good, Yes,

1257
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 4: of course, And if you guys don't remember, in it,

1258
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 4: a man was stalked by a woman he went on

1259
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 4: like two dates with. She ended up stalking him and

1260
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 4: everyone in his surroundings for years, burning her own house

1261
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 4: down to make herself look like a victim.

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Speaker 3: Yes, killed that girl, the girl he was seeing. That's correct. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: By the way, again, like if we're looking at the

1264
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 2: stats from even Act one, I don't have them in

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Speaker 2: front of me, but you had mentioned them. If you know,

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Speaker 2: half thirty percent of homicides against women, I think that's

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01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 2: the stat or close to it happened by xes or

1268
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 2: formal relationships, and so many of those What did you say,

1269
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 2: one out of five one in five women have been stalked? Yes,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure you know. It's close to my heart.

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01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's very very dangerous and very very escalating.

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01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 3: By the way. Now add social media and it's like accepted.

1273
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, you're like, oh, your Instagram or Facebook

1274
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 2: stalking your ex?

1275
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, guess what that does give a lot of access.

1276
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 3: So this is a really important topic.

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to get that loss in the

1278
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 2: sauce in any of our stories because I think more

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01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 2: people deal with it than they think, and I think

1280
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 2: people kind of explain it away. But so many of

1281
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 2: the crimes that we cover. Tier one is the stock.

1282
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 2: I know, student murders.

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01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 3: Wow, you know there's so many cases on that front. Well,

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Speaker 3: there are, and you know, we went over the WSU

1285
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 3: lawsuit last night, and it's interesting because Bill Thompson and

1286
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 3: the prosecution in the state and whatnot. In the Brian

1287
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 3: Coberger case, Stephanie, and I'm sure you in the courtney

1288
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 3: you remember this that we were told many many times

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Speaker 3: that there was no proof of any stocking from Brian

1290
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 3: Coberger and any of the victims of the Idaho student murderers.

1291
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Speaker 3: But the WSU lawsuit that was filed last week by

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01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 3: the parents of the victims, all four parents of the

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01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 3: victims alleged stalking, which is interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean think about that, and it's one of

1295
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 2: those things that I think people explain away so quickly.

1296
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,959
Speaker 2: So ladies and gentlemen, if you have that weird sixth

1297
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 2: sense that you know something doesn't feel right or someone's

1298
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 2: just maybe in.

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01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,919
Speaker 3: That mode, you know, don't not trust your gut.

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Speaker 4: I guess is there advice like we really really really

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Speaker 4: listened to your gut. I mean that's a universally, I think, Stephanie,

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Speaker 4: that's really good advice. And body you had asked earlier,

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Speaker 4: is stalking a federal offense? Well, I mean with Luigi

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Speaker 4: right and basically, well, in general, it is a stalking

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Speaker 4: offense if interstate travel or communication evolved, so it has

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Speaker 4: the same sort of standard of hitting federal as most.

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Speaker 3: But I feel like it's not applied to in all cases.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if that were true. Brian Coberger, the farmer, tycoon,

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Speaker 3: the you know, I mean, there's been cases where people

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Speaker 3: have traveled out of state to kill people and there's

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Speaker 3: not been federal charges.

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Speaker 2: There have not been federal stalking charges because stocking is

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Speaker 2: a little harder to prove, too, Like that's a tough

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Speaker 2: one to prove.

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Speaker 3: That's too hard. That's a very good point.

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Speaker 2: So it's oftentimes becomes oh, I feel like I'm being stalked.

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Speaker 3: Really prove it.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if anybody you know listening has

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Speaker 2: had that experience where you go to authorities and try

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Speaker 2: to say, I feel like somebody is following me.

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Speaker 3: I feel like somebody from.

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Speaker 2: My either previous life or you have kind of a

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Speaker 2: sixth sentence honestly, and what do authority say, prove it?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I just have a feeling. Well, Kayley said she

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Speaker 3: was being stalled. Don't what he cared? Right?

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Speaker 2: Apparently, well, obviously that was right, like case, yeah what happened,

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Speaker 2: people repeated after the fact. Oh yeah, by the way,

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Speaker 2: but like a people think you're exaggerating or being dramatic

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Speaker 2: and b. Authorities really can't do anything unless they have

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Speaker 2: something to do something about specifically interesting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, as this talkback relates to Luigi, and

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Speaker 4: thanks for that obviously that oh yeah, thanks you great

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Speaker 4: talk back.

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Speaker 3: Good conversation. It's a good point, right, yeah, yes, it is.

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Speaker 3: So in the case of Luigi man Jeonne.

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Speaker 4: So he of course is accused of killing United Healthcare

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Speaker 4: CEO Brian Thompson back in December twenty twenty four, and

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Speaker 4: he's facing federal charges as well as nine state charges

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Speaker 4: and he's pleaded not guilty to all. So the death

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Speaker 4: penalty eligibility it may hinge on whether stalking is considered

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Speaker 4: a violent crime. If it's yes, the murder charge it

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Speaker 4: becomes aggravated and the death penalty is on the table.

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Speaker 4: So it is going to be a really important it's

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Speaker 4: a deal break distinction.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's the line in the sand there, right,

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Speaker 3: I guess you know what I asked, Well, what you

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Speaker 3: know is this death penalty worthy? That's the line in

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Speaker 3: the sand. Yeah, So that's going to bear out in court.

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Speaker 4: There's another little bit of information about man geone, and

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Speaker 4: this goes back to on Friday, he appeared in a

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Speaker 4: federal court, and we spoke about this last night. The

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Speaker 4: presiding judge had said very she quickly dismissed the question

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Speaker 4: of when Luigi Manngione was found in the Altoona, Pennsylvania

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Speaker 4: McDonald after a five day manhunt, he was found with

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Speaker 4: the backpack. In the backpack is a lot of evidence

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Speaker 4: on the state level because being charged with state and federally.

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Speaker 4: On the state level, the argument over whether the going

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Speaker 4: into that bag is applicable and if the police work

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Speaker 4: was correct. It took about twelve days of trial and

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Speaker 4: the judge is now going to be forming his decision

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Speaker 4: over the next four months. Is when the deadline is now?

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Speaker 4: This Yeah, this federal judge spoke out last night. She

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Speaker 4: decided literally in the moment on Friday. She's like, the

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Speaker 4: bag was on him, it was this personal stuff. It

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Speaker 4: would have come out. What am I not understanding? Like

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Speaker 4: it should be just fine admissible, But I reserve the

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Speaker 4: right to reverse my decision.

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Speaker 3: He turns out, well, she has.

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Speaker 4: Now, this federal judge has indeed reversed the decision made Friday,

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Speaker 4: and she has ordered a hearing to determine whether Mangione's

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Speaker 4: backpack was lawfully searched or not during this arrest.

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Speaker 3: Just fine. I find this so irritating.

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Speaker 2: Again, we're not really discussing whether or not MANGIONI had

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Speaker 2: the weapon in this bag, if he had the air

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Speaker 2: Quotes manifesto in that bag. He had his little sweet

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01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 2: travel plans, a little checklist, make sure you forget She's

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Speaker 2: like brush your teeth and like, you know, change your outfit.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So when no one's like disputing the fact that he

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Speaker 2: may or may not be guilty, it's just this like.

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Speaker 3: I can't even put it into these metalities though. I mean,

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Speaker 3: this is a Fourth Amendment issue. I mean, these are

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Speaker 3: all things that were all guaranteed in the United States.

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Speaker 2: But they would have been admissible at some point anyway,

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Speaker 2: not necessarily because had they not searched his backpack might

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Speaker 2: not have been arrested.

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Speaker 3: He looked exactly like the guy on the surveillance camera,

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Speaker 3: the guy in there I had a mask on, and listen,

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Speaker 3: I think he's guilty, all right, between us, you know,

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Speaker 3: chickens here, I think he's guilty, but just us, just

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Speaker 3: on live radio. But however, it is an issue because

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Speaker 3: if it happens to him, it's going to happen to you.

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Speaker 2: Do you understand if I have a weapon that just

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01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 2: maybe murdered a person and that can be proved.

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Speaker 3: I pull you over and start, you know what I mean,

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01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 3: like you, this is a big deal, especially right now,

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01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 3: like this is something that's happening right now. We need

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Speaker 3: to like we have to be everyone's guaranteed this right

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Speaker 3: or nobody is hm.

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Speaker 2: To totally understand the distinction. But it does make me

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01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 2: like crazy, It makes me crazy. I can't totally do

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01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 2: by air quotes handsome and has a good lawyer. If

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Speaker 2: this was not a handsome young guy, I feel like

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Speaker 2: we would be just like throwing the whole book at him,

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01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 2: and that bumps.

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Speaker 3: Maybe, you know, you might because he has gotten a

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01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 3: lot of money from women that have get you know,

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Speaker 3: donated his legal fund.

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Speaker 2: Right yeah, they're like, so you sure, you know, contests

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01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 2: with his like face on their shirt.

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Speaker 7: A point more fan mail than any of them.

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Speaker 3: So you might have a point with that.

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01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 2: Even though it girls kind of glorifying him as like

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01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 2: some hero regardless of what he was standing for, it's

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01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 2: still murder, of course.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's gone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I know, absolutely, I do think that issue

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01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 4: is separate, Like everything you guys just talking about is

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01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 4: is a reality, so it's valid to bring it up.

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01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 4: But I do think it's quite separate from the whether

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Speaker 4: the evidence in his backpack should.

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Speaker 3: Be you know well, I think the point Stephanie is

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01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 3: trying to make is that he if he wasn't so

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01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 3: handsome and whatnot, he wouldn't have all this money for

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01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 3: this great lawyer to get these arguments heard to get

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01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 3: the judge to change their mind. It's like a you

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01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 3: know what I mean, It's like a domino, right, like

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01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 3: not everybody.

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01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,759
Speaker 2: Has like it really does sometimes boil down to whoever

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01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 2: can afford the best attorney wins.

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Speaker 3: And I know that's the name of the game. I'm

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01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 3: no dummy, but the lawyers have to make the arguments

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01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 3: to get this stuff look right right, And you have

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01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 3: to have a good lawyer with a good argument or

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01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 3: good legal pros to write the briefs that get the

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01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,600
Speaker 3: judges to do this. And if you can't afford a

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01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 3: good lawyer to do those things, who's just putting in

1439
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 3: half effort, or maybe isn't as knowledgeable or just doesn't

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01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 3: have a good experience, you're not going to get the

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01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 3: kind of defense that maybe he would get right, like

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01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 3: a team of lawyers like he has.

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01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 2: It's like a football team of lawyers, you know, because

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01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 2: you know, lucky for him, he comes from a family

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01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 2: of affluents, and I'm sure his family is lovely and

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01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 2: of course they should fight for his his you know,

1447
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 2: best case, and I'm sure they are being so put

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01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: through it.

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01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 3: I really feel for the Manngioni family, Like this is

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01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 3: so upsetting. It's kind of grand stands. Feel very bad

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01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 3: for the suspects families because they're just like thrown under

1452
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 3: the bus with them many times, and like speups are

1453
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:09,799
Speaker 3: digging into all their back their personal stuff.

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01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 2: And listen, there hasn't been anything about the Mangione family

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01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 2: like by all accounts.

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Speaker 3: You know what, You're right, really lovely speak. You know

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01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 3: why because I think most of the internet is kind

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01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 3: of like behind Luigi. Yeah, because he's handsome and he's grandstanding.

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01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 3: And remember I you know, he was supposed to be

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01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 3: this villain is you know, I thought, like Gotham City,

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01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 3: like the joker with the monopoly money in the backpack,

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01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 3: but he's just kind of a schlub.

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01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, And when I say handsome, I say

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01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 2: that in the air quotes because I don't think he's handsome.

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01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 3: I think he's.

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01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 2: An accused killer and he's trying to get buy in

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01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 2: a technicality.

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Speaker 3: Don't get misturned. But I do see the point, and

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01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 3: I stand corrected. So I do take a back now.

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01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 3: I but I see what you're saying to murderers. Murder

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01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 3: and you should go to jail for life no matter what.

1472
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 3: But things have to be done in a proper way

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01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 3: for all, for not just for him to screw him,

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01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 3: but for us. Yeah, that's well.

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Speaker 4: And also I think the judge, especially since this could

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01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 4: be a literal federal case with the death penalty, I

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01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 4: think it was really wise for Judge Garnett to take

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01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 4: a second look. And what she said was that both

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01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 4: of the arguments made by counsel, you know, should be

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01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 4: considered the seriousness of the charges that he's facing. And

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01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 4: so you know, this is just doing due diligence. So

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01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 4: I think it's really smart and measured. And to that end,

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01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 4: the judge is ordered a brief evidentiary hearing to determine

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01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 4: if procedures were followed. So that is what's up. But listen,

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01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 4: keep it here because there's a lot more up.

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Speaker 3: After the break, we have talkbacks and a little bit

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Speaker 3: more news that and more. Welcome back to true Crime

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Speaker 3: tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Steph, You're with Courtney and Body and once again, Happy birthday, Sam,

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Speaker 2: Sam and Adam of course are in the control room.

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Speaker 2: So producer hot taha oh. I almost said ha ha

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01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 2: tause you're so handsome, because he's so cute. You're the best,

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01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 2: So go ahead, tell us you have a little scoop

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Speaker 2: for us.

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Speaker 7: Well, I was just going to say I had a

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01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 7: talk back and I wanted to go to and it

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01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 7: ties in. We were talking earlier about stalking. Do you

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01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 7: guys remember we had a listener call in and say

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Speaker 7: something about a merch idea about like a fire an

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01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 7: alarm system that we could set up. And yes, yes,

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01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 7: it was all tied in, and she said my sister

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01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 7: was stocked. Well she called back and she has the details.

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01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 7: So you know, I'm setting up set the stage. So Adam,

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01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 7: if you play that one, everyone will get the vibe

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01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 7: about it just types in perfectly. I think, listen to

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Speaker 7: this one.

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Speaker 3: Hey, it's mac Okay.

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Speaker 10: I heard Body wanting the deep of the soccer that

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01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 10: my sister had She's okay, but I'm going to tell

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01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 10: you the deeps because this behavior is unacceptable.

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Speaker 3: She's a yoga instructor.

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Speaker 10: They had a free workshop. This guy comes, he's creeping

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Speaker 10: out everybody, but it's a free workshop, so everyone's like, okay,

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01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 10: we want to have to deal with him again. Well,

1515
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 10: they have all of the instructors schedules on their website.

1516
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 10: So he found my sister and showed up at her class.

1517
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:31,680
Speaker 10: So he lingers, and luckily she was able to just

1518
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 10: get out of that situation since there were like other

1519
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,839
Speaker 10: people around. But then he starts showing up at the studio,

1520
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 10: not even going to her classes, just showing up so

1521
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,839
Speaker 10: that he can then talk to her after her classes

1522
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 10: get done. Then he finds her work page on Instagram

1523
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 10: for the studio, messages her and like, hey, we should

1524
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 10: be friends or more, and she respectively declines multiple times,

1525
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 10: so she does the good job of shutting it down.

1526
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 10: But then he sends a video of the Baywatch life

1527
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 10: guards running down the beach. Then it's a shot of

1528
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 10: him on a couch with his arms like lounging back

1529
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 10: to the beach scene, and then it flipflops, and then

1530
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 10: it ends with him pulling up the zipper of his

1531
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 10: pants and he sends this to her and says, I

1532
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 10: think that you would like this. He had to edit

1533
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 10: this send it to her and think that that was

1534
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 10: something that she would like. She's routed out, doesn't respond

1535
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 10: to him. Then he sends a message saying, I know

1536
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 10: you're not at work, so why aren't you replying? So

1537
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 10: he's now checking the website to see what time her

1538
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:34,919
Speaker 10: classes are, and he's now docking her through the website,

1539
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 10: And then she saw him in the parking lot. So

1540
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 10: my mom and her talk to the police. They said

1541
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 10: that they can't do anything. So my sister's boss finds

1542
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 10: out blackballs this guy. The boss's husband is not okay

1543
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 10: with this, gets tasers for the entire staff, wants them

1544
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 10: to stay safe. So my sister sends all this stuff

1545
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:58,799
Speaker 10: to the police and they're like, still not doing anything,

1546
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 10: which I think, like, there's so much evidence that this

1547
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 10: guy is a stalker. Why can't they do anything?

1548
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my goodness, great story. By the way, well said,

1549
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 2: what a great talker. I'm so sorry for your sister,

1550
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 2: because think about it too. Sometimes a waitress or people

1551
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 2: are working in a being polite, right, and their job

1552
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 2: is to be polite and just to nod and say

1553
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 2: yes and thank you.

1554
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 3: It's creepy gun then yeah, mixed signals.

1555
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 2: Central guy's not getting the hint and now he's making weird,

1556
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 2: creepy videos.

1557
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 3: That are so wildly inappropriate. That's scary. And think about

1558
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 3: what she said. He had to edit, he had to

1559
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 3: make this video. He had to go into his software

1560
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 3: where it's on his phone or his computer, splice these

1561
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 3: videos together, right, the Baywatch runing scene, him laying on

1562
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 3: the couch, the Baywatch running scene again, like he had

1563
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 3: to put time and effort into making this video. I mean,

1564
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 3: I think he went through all and then he's like,

1565
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 3: I think you like this. I think we've all been

1566
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 3: on the receiving end of one of those kinds of

1567
01:21:56,600 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 3: photos unwillingly that men send for some reason that they

1568
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 3: think we're going to be like, oh my goodness, it's

1569
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 3: such remarkable, Like what the heck?

1570
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, woman, that show like, oh that's great, Like, yeah,

1571
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 7: let's let's do it. But to your point, body like

1572
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 7: to take all that time, like there should be a

1573
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 7: point where he's thinking like, oh this is wrong, or

1574
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 7: much like the earlier story, of the Tepee family, like

1575
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 7: driving that long distance. Isn't there a point where you

1576
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 7: suddenly think this is wrong? I shouldn't do this. I

1577
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 7: know it was a wacky idea, but I don't know.

1578
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 2: And by the way, it's also a little confusing because

1579
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 2: like what if what if she kind of thought he

1580
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 2: was handsome and liked him, and somebody's like, hey, I

1581
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 2: took a little like video minus the weird like showing

1582
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 2: me your junk part of it. I mean, come on,

1583
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 2: but like the oh, you're like a Baywatch, you know,

1584
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 2: beach girl and I edited together this cute little video

1585
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 2: and that could be considered cute in a movie, right person, right,

1586
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 2: Like it could be like a modern day mixtape.

1587
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 3: But again, it's like you're not getting like.

1588
01:22:56,920 --> 01:23:00,040
Speaker 2: The signal and you're not getting the hint, and so

1589
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 2: she's zipping up your pants at the end is kind

1590
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 2: of gross.

1591
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 3: Like that's where it really goes south, right.

1592
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 2: And showing up at someone's job, but when you're unannounced,

1593
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 2: that's like, yeah, I don't know what the answer is there.

1594
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't either. I don't know why they can't

1595
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,719
Speaker 3: do anything. I don't I don't know what the laws

1596
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:18,600
Speaker 3: are about it.

1597
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 4: I don't standards for and don't quote me one hundred percent, but.

1598
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 3: Quote me a little bit.

1599
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 4: So the standard for stalking is it's complicated because the

1600
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 4: line it's not just wilful repeated following. Often there needs

1601
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 4: to be a credible threat in order for law enforcement

1602
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:42,719
Speaker 4: to take place. And if there's not a credit credible

1603
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:47,560
Speaker 4: right now potential bodily harm threat, that is often the threshold.

1604
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, think about all the celebrities that have like some

1605
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 2: cree bowl of super fan climbing over the fence and

1606
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 2: crawling into their house and into their bed, and even

1607
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 2: that's not like enough of like a crime, and they're released,

1608
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 2: Well California, they're released like within two and a half hours,

1609
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 2: and they're back at it again and again. Oftentimes you're like, well,

1610
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 2: this guy who came into the free yoga space, which

1611
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 2: he was supposed to do, he's come.

1612
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 3: Back now three times.

1613
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 2: Like you can sense when that's creepy and this person's

1614
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 2: giving creep vibes. But when you're repeating that to police,

1615
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 2: they're like, Okay, that's what he's supposed to do.

1616
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,480
Speaker 3: He's supposed to go to your weird class. The proprietor

1617
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 3: of the class can ban him from this private property,

1618
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 3: and if he shows up and he doesn't leave, he's

1619
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 3: trespassing arrested exactly, and that's why he's.

1620
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 2: By the way, it turns out the owner's husband is

1621
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 2: like really so smart and so kind and giving those

1622
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 2: like little tasers. I love the idea for the weighted

1623
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 2: vest and to have like a flashlight and a taser

1624
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 2: and like we can all be like little superheroes.

1625
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 3: Do you love that? With the weighted vest? Though I'm

1626
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 3: not going to be walking down the west.

1627
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:54,560
Speaker 2: Why it's so good for us because we're going to

1628
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,719
Speaker 2: have the most true Are you supposed to be walking

1629
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 2: with it?

1630
01:24:58,640 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 8: Yes?

1631
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 3: You are also, well, then all we do is sit

1632
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 3: with it. We're physically supposed to be walking. Yeah, that's

1633
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 3: what we had graduated out of our wearing it while

1634
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 3: standing or sitting.

1635
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 7: For I honestly thought the vest were like these are

1636
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 7: so you can sit and posts what it is?

1637
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 3: People? Yeah?

1638
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 4: People, what you use idea is walking because you burn

1639
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 4: more calories.

1640
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 3: It makes sense.

1641
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 7: Exercise, But I literally see nobody exercise with our group.

1642
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 4: We just.

1643
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 2: Like we're wearing a bulletproof vest, which, by the way,

1644
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 2: you know, not a bad thing.

1645
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 3: But I'm sure.

1646
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 2: In like Los Angeles, on the streets, people are like

1647
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 2: running around in their weighted vest because like you can

1648
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:48,440
Speaker 2: get a little exercise.

1649
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 3: Are our listeners.

1650
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 2: We've gotten so many great talk facts about it. They're

1651
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 2: on their walk listening to the podcast wearing their weighted vest.

1652
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 2: We were just working ourselves into that. We just haven't

1653
01:25:58,479 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 2: gotten out.

1654
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 3: I want wece so far.

1655
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 2: You abandoned real quick, but that's okay. Believe you felt

1656
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 2: like your posture was great.

1657
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 3: You didn't need it.

1658
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 2: So, by the way, we don't all need the exercise.

1659
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 2: It's just a goal to think about our ends. Here's

1660
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 2: my sprite in the hand.

1661
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 3: Some cakes all days, you guys want to do another talk.

1662
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 5: About Hey, y'all, happy everything it is. I don't even

1663
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 5: know what day of January, but I have bocked my

1664
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 5: candy jar with Valentine candy because that's the kind of

1665
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,560
Speaker 5: person I am. I like to have the candy that

1666
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 5: fits the holiday. But anyway, I don't even like peanut butter,

1667
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 5: but I'm good. Have you had the Reese's Peanut butter Heart?

1668
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, I want to hit that right now.

1669
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 3: I praise you. I'm obsessed with the Christmas tree Reese's

1670
01:26:54,120 --> 01:27:00,760
Speaker 3: Peanut butter cups, and they're all so delicious. Those they

1671
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:04,639
Speaker 3: know what is up. They have a new crunchy.

1672
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 4: So picture a Reese's cup, but then it's got an

1673
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 4: extra layer on the top of a crunchy.

1674
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,599
Speaker 3: It's like the difference between creamy and crunchy peanut butter.

1675
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 3: I like creamy peanut butter. I'm a creamy peanut butter girl.

1676
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 3: I do not like the crunch I'm crunchy. So we

1677
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 3: cannot be different.

1678
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 2: Well, I can only have the gluten free versions, which

1679
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:28,600
Speaker 2: is typically a Reese's Peanut butter cup does suffice but

1680
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:30,679
Speaker 2: little chilled so young.

1681
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 3: But not all of them. So some of the ones

1682
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 3: that are in like holiday wrappings, be careful. But I'm

1683
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 3: sure I could check the hearts. I haven't seen that

1684
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 3: they do taste different, though, I mean, I really like

1685
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 3: the At Easter time we get the egg like the

1686
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 3: little eggs and Christmas tree it's like creamier.

1687
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like creamier, right? Is that why you can't

1688
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 2: I think so? I kind of I'm too afraid. But

1689
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 2: I used to love those cadberry eggs.

1690
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:00,080
Speaker 3: Those to blow through.

1691
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 7: So great.

1692
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 3: I think the old ones that are like the gooey

1693
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 3: and like, who eats that? You know, it's totally you

1694
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 3: and Wade, You and my husband. I have to watch

1695
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 3: that happen every Easter.

1696
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 2: Open hands, a little sticky and you're like, it's the

1697
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 2: grossest thing I've ever dog, like, you eat it and

1698
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,639
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I can't get it down fast enough.

1699
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 3: I have a tough time too, I do. I don't

1700
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:34,719
Speaker 3: mean they okay. And then the very many eggs we can.

1701
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 2: Shitty ones, the delicious ones that aren't delicious disgusting like

1702
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:42,679
Speaker 2: those we are done.

1703
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 3: You're right about what am I talking about?

1704
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 4: Just know you're talking about little I think the tiny

1705
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 4: eggs that are like crunchy, almost arated, like whoppers.

1706
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 2: I'm thinking I know that the whopper falls in the

1707
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 2: same category halted, Yeah, like a butterscotch.

1708
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 3: No, no, Mary, Jane, I know I'm in the lame category.

1709
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 3: I recognize that. But you know, when you're a beggar,

1710
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 3: you can't be your chooser, and like, my choices are limited.

1711
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 3: I don't like chocolate with liquid in it, Like you know,

1712
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 3: how you get the whatever candy box or whatever if

1713
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 3: it doesn't come with like a map of what each

1714
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 3: not touching it.

1715
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 2: I would just rip into we would bite, small, bite

1716
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 2: every single one and leave you the sloppy thirds.

1717
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:39,680
Speaker 4: Okay, one of those cherry abominations of just like it's

1718
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 4: like a cover cherries in the middle of it, the carmel.

1719
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 2: We're all searching for the same wind, which is the

1720
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 2: car everybody, that's the only wind in that like.

1721
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 3: Huge heart, I.

1722
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 7: Like them not.

1723
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 3: I like a mint. I like a white chocolate. I

1724
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:01,799
Speaker 3: like a macadamia. I like that stuff. But no liquid.

1725
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 3: If there's liquid when I bite into my chocolate, I'm

1726
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 3: gonna literally gag. It's not gonna happen.

1727
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 2: I know I can't have any of those anymore. So

1728
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 2: I'm going to fantasize. All I want to do is

1729
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 2: like emotionally eat chocolate right now. Oh no, And I'm

1730
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 2: like produced to like, what's the one with a coconut

1731
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 2: next to me?

1732
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 3: So why would you show that to me? I want chocolate? Sorry.

1733
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 4: By the way, Taha, are you a crunchy or creamy

1734
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 4: peanut butter? Because this is quite a divide.

1735
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 7: I do lean towards the creamy more than crunchy, Like

1736
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 7: if that's my man, I can go both, but like

1737
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 7: creamy on a piece of toast. Oh, that's so good.

1738
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 3: I have that in the mornings with banana on top

1739
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 3: of it. Delicious bread, really good. I like peanut butter

1740
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 3: and my yogurt too mixed. It's good, delicious.

1741
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 7: I do that.

1742
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:53,759
Speaker 3: I do that because to add some protein in the morning.

1743
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 3: You know, it's good to do.

1744
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,719
Speaker 2: Have you guys wanted my cottage cheese with a little

1745
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 2: lour cream and rice cakes.

1746
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 3: Board.

1747
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 4: That's the kind of thing a hundred percent will eat.

1748
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 4: And I've had iterations of that.

1749
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,680
Speaker 3: I read my mouth bleed. I've eaten that so much

1750
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 3: mouth from our cream rice cakes with my cottage cheese.

1751
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:21,759
Speaker 3: I had a lot of cream cheese and pepper jelly

1752
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 3: over the holidays. That to find the pepper jelly, though,

1753
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 3: you gotta store. It's in the It's in the jelly aisle.

1754
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 4: Mark mark the time and day. I want to see

1755
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 4: how many talkbacks we get about how and where the

1756
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 4: Yeah right, pep pepper.

1757
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 3: Yeah right. Anytime it's about creamy or crunchy is a

1758
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:48,560
Speaker 3: big thing? Creamy or crunchy? What do you what do you?

1759
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 3: What do you guys think out there?

1760
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 7: Let us know, Yeah, we're going to get seventy five

1761
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 7: talkbacks about that right now. I guarantee I gotta go creamy.

1762
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 2: I'm a creamy Yeah, all right, aurist To, I'll have

1763
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 2: to jump in. If I got to have it, I

1764
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:06,679
Speaker 2: would have it creamy. Okay, I'm out numbered, Sam, Yeah,

1765
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 2: I'm also.

1766
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 3: But no, you're not outnumbered, Courtney Armstrong. You are individual.

1767
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I will die on my hill. Peanut butter.

1768
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 4: It's actually it's one of the things I can't have

1769
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:22,640
Speaker 4: in my house because I actually I don't have the

1770
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 4: control with that. You'll like rip into that with banana

1771
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 4: of that, Yeah, with a banana but cy peanut butter.

1772
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:32,560
Speaker 4: It's like I can have it.

1773
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 3: Spoons a stupid question. Yeah, Oh my goodness, don't I judge.

1774
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 3: I'm such a child. I like the peanut butter that's

1775
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 3: in with the jelly, that like the buber, like the kids.

1776
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 3: That's good to have in your hurricane kid. That is

1777
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:02,560
Speaker 3: the test of time. I think we he had in

1778
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 3: his backpack. Was the peanut butter jelly combination?

1779
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 1: Is that.

1780
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:11,559
Speaker 3: You will never know. It's going to be inadressible. We'll

1781
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 3: never find out was it creamy, was it chunky, or

1782
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 3: was it the combo. It's a space saver. It's a

1783
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:18,879
Speaker 3: space saver, and he had it in the backpack.

1784
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 7: That's right.

1785
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:22,640
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're smart, you would that's what you

1786
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 3: would carry, goober, Peanut butter and jelly combo and the

1787
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 3: loaf of bread good to go. I like it, spoken

1788
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:32,639
Speaker 3: like a true extremist. Nice job. One way of looking

1789
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 3: at it. We have simple needs here, we have simple needs.

1790
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 3: All right, well, listen, listen tomorrow we are back.

1791
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 2: Do not lose our number. We'll see a true crime tonight.

1792
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 2: Have a great night, stay safe.

1793
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 3: We love you.