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Speaker 1: Okay. Podcast starts now. Hello, freaks and losers. You are

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Speaker 1: listening to Stradio Lab, the only podcast that is ruined

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Speaker 1: by my co host George. George respond, Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: series finale of the podcast Stradio Lab. Yes, I just

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Speaker 1: revealed that I have a hard out today. Sorry. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you revealed it literally one minute ago. And you

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Speaker 1: know we have our biggest highest profile guests on today,

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Speaker 1: that's right, the Safty brothers, and you come in here

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Speaker 1: and Shorten are allotted time with them. You know, if

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Speaker 1: they wanted to, I would say, of course you can

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Speaker 1: sort of cut us off whenever you feel your safties.

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Speaker 1: But they you did that. You did that to us,

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Speaker 1: this boy, I'm sorry, this is my ni You sound

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Speaker 1: awful then, Benita, sisters, Freka, and also I wanted to say,

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Speaker 1: this is my voice today and we're all tolerant of it.

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Speaker 1: Benito Safty, Yes, there did we cut into early. You're

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Speaker 1: doing great, But I do want to respond. So now

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Speaker 1: that you know we are talking to the Safty brothers,

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Speaker 1: I want to say I actually existence planned to have

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Speaker 1: a heart out because I wanted to create an air

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Speaker 1: of anxiety, like an uncut gems so this entire episode.

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Speaker 1: Will forget good Time, don't forget it's very good, good time,

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Speaker 1: and we're all Robert Pattinson. You know that. Famously, I

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Speaker 1: didn't watch uncut gems. I only skipped to the Idea

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Speaker 1: Menzel parts. I was about to say, at least you

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Speaker 1: saw that. Yeah, No, I literally fast forward through. When

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Speaker 1: I saw Adina was on screen. I stopped one Adina

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Speaker 1: Menzel wearing her Mitzva dress as an Italian. Oh right, wow,

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Speaker 1: that is it. I don't I just made that up.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think she's Jewish. I think she is.

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Speaker 1: This is not for me to say. Ready, that's a

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Speaker 1: really fun segment. Is she No, she is not. But wait,

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Speaker 1: can we get confirmation on Adina? George know, I am.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking for. I feel like she's iconically Jewish.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, she is Jewish. She's Jewish. She's Jewish.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, I've released my notes to apology already.

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Speaker 1: It's live, it's live, it's live. Wait. I was reading

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Speaker 1: a review of the of the New Dog Had album

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Speaker 1: um Craig Jenkins, and it was talking about how she

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Speaker 1: is this like new like model for a person who

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Speaker 1: like I mean like there are multiple people like this now,

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Speaker 1: but it's like there is like we are now moving

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Speaker 1: into a territory where like people can just choose not

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Speaker 1: to insist on not getting canceled anymore, and that works, well,

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Speaker 1: says I'm not. You all sound canceled, but actually I'm not. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like that's like everybody now, Like everybody's doing that now.

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Speaker 1: It's like I mean I did that cheeto at the moss. Yes,

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Speaker 1: like I canceled for thinking of Diana Menzela's Italian, but

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Speaker 1: that's not going to define my narrative. I've reclaimed it.

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Speaker 1: I reclaimed it before it even became public. You're right, well,

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Speaker 1: and also obviously canceling has lost all meaning now that

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Speaker 1: Republicans just use it for like literally whatever, Like you

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Speaker 1: could like get a speeding ticket and they'll be like,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting canceled for driving at my speed. Wait, let's

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Speaker 1: just I'm sorry to bring us into this and this

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Speaker 1: kind of conversation. We are not cultural critics, like why

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Speaker 1: are we doing? Why am? I mean not to be

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Speaker 1: a bit, but actually I think you do like almost

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Speaker 1: canonically are Um, it's funny that people think that that's

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Speaker 1: true and not a stupid, stupid thing we called ourselves

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Speaker 1: for four or five years when we thought no one

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Speaker 1: would listen to whatever the fun we had to say.

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Speaker 1: Byelines and Vulture dot com, does that not a cultural

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Speaker 1: critic make? Well, they're going to be shocked by the answer.

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Speaker 1: Not at all. I mean, is recapping not the pinnacle

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Speaker 1: of social critique? Wait? We recapped, which was like truly

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Speaker 1: like the lowest wrong. And then Sam meanwhile wrote a

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Speaker 1: piece about how art pop is Lady Gaga's Pinkerton, which

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Speaker 1: is actually so beautiful and true. And now George is

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Speaker 1: working at Hello, gaw Girlcker. That's right. Craig Jenkins, you're unnoticed.

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Speaker 1: You better be protecting that pulitzer you one recently, because

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Speaker 1: guess what. The Safty Brothers are coming for you again.

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Speaker 1: The Sisters, Safty Sisters, if you if you missed gender again,

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Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm going I'm sorry, I miss gender. The

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Speaker 1: Safty Sisters a drag duo you just made up based

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Speaker 1: on the Safty Brothers. Oh my god, Way, I have

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Speaker 1: a new drag name what Salem Witchcraft? Oh yours? That

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Speaker 1: of the most radical gender fuckers. The gender of it all,

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Speaker 1: the gender I'm gender, and that I fuck any gender.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty that's altually patently false. You're one of the

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Speaker 1: least bisexual people I know. Yeah, I'm so hard G

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Speaker 1: gay George the least by sexual people. You know, go

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Speaker 1: what George ranked the least by sexual people? You know,

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Speaker 1: number one, Rogers, number two, Dave mazzone, end of the list. Wait,

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Speaker 1: that's beautiful. But also Matt just said hard G gay

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Speaker 1: as opposed to soft G gay, which is just ja.

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Speaker 1: I think I think this is like, this is a

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Speaker 1: fun new term to throw into the mix. He's he's

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Speaker 1: he's J. He's J is like queer and questioning. He's

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Speaker 1: it's sort of like, um interesting. And I was just

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Speaker 1: gonna say, Lucas Hedges is like, jam, what, let's let's

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Speaker 1: let Lucas Hedges tell us to Lucas Hedge and you know,

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Speaker 1: and and now I'm I guess no, I canceled. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I decided no, don't you You're you're fine

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Speaker 1: we can literally take it out. How we don't know

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Speaker 1: why Dojakat is canceled on multiple episodes of this podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's time someone describes it to us and we're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I guess that's pretty bad. And then the next time

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Speaker 1: we're like, wait, is it crazy that I love Doja Cat?

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Speaker 1: Like if she canceled everyone, this is everyone's journey with

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Speaker 1: like Twitter stand and like everyone else's journey with Jojakat

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Speaker 1: is way, I guess I like her. Yeah, and that's beautiful. Um, Matt,

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Speaker 1: I was wondering if you wanted to let the listeners

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Speaker 1: what you geniuses do so last night and it's actually

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Speaker 1: hard genius genius um. The last night at a straight wedding,

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Speaker 1: the chat that potentially it could be a sexually transmitted infection,

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Speaker 1: that's not shaming anyone. I want to say, I think

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Speaker 1: I was waiting for the positive critique. You guys, what

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Speaker 1: Wedding Crashers. Yeah. Uh no, I was. It was a

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Speaker 1: we have a sizzle for gay wedding crasher. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: She's Kyle quoting the flight attendant, She's quo going whenever

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Speaker 1: Perez iconically plays the character of Megan Brisco that's right

421
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Speaker 1: on the flight attendant. That's that is no, stop, we're

422
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: not doing this. When she was asked her name on

423
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: the show and she goes, I'm Megan, I was like,

424
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: this is doing the voice. No I didn't, I'm Megan wait,

425
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: what voice are you doing Roy Perez's voice? If I

426
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: was doing Rosie Perez's voice, I don't think the first

427
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: of all, it would be hilarious, and the second of all,

428
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: it wouldn't happen because I would know better. And also

429
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: Amy Poeler. I kind ofly did Rosy Perez on SNL

430
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: and it was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

431
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: And I don't think she should be canceled. You're right, yeah,

432
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: no one's trying to cancel Amy Poehler. Matt, you never

433
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: know what these wolves out. We might lose Amy Poehler

434
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: one of these days, and how will we feel that

435
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: one would be happy? I want to know what that

436
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: How long we went without talking about actresses? Because that

437
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 1: was actually really I'm sick of talking about them. No,

438
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: we can't talk well, it was just funny and not

439
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: to call smart for forty minutes. He's sucking exhausted, not

440
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: to call out Sam. But we said we weren't going

441
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: to talk about actresses, and then his idea for an

442
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: alternative topic was, how is everyone's pride to be fair?

443
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: That's an iconic question, it's open ended, and yet it's topical.

444
00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: It's um, not actresses for one, and um, we're what

445
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: gay people. And with with gay people there comes such

446
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: a responsibility to talk about how your pride is. Unfortunately,

447
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: my answer to the question that Sam Post was going

448
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: to be and owed. So that's your question, how is

449
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: your pride? Laugh? My answer to who do I forgive

450
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: the most is endowed? No but dumb call back. So

451
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: she's friends with Elizabeth Moss and probably calls her lovely.

452
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: Being on set with her, she makes everyone when she

453
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: arrives on this side, that's really good. With a throat

454
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: full of STI he can still do that. Only now

455
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: that's you don't do Rosie Perez, but you do and Owed. Yeah,

456
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: and Oud's big secret. Before she gets on camera, she

457
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: takes a buck ton of come to the throat and

458
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: she just right hope for the best. She's a little

459
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: she kind of is a little bit. It sounds like

460
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: Bernie sometimes. I once I got asking you to forgive

461
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Moss? Who am I could be anyone? But now

462
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: and friend, that's really crazy. That is so funny. You

463
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: are killing it. You're literally all so funny. You know,

464
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: there have been moments of my life where each of

465
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: you have made me absolutely rolentical. My people, my people.

466
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: I was looking at I was looking at the quadrant

467
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: in the four where I conticly doing this on zoom,

468
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: even though we're all vexed and stand in the same

469
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: city and and very much in the same place. But

470
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: I was I was looking at the four, and I

471
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: was like, this is a good four. Sam and I

472
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: were doing a bad job of like framing the conversation.

473
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: I feel, whoa, whoa, don't bring me into this my

474
00:26:54,800 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: least favorite thing. We're doing bad. What whenever a host

475
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: of podcasts are like we're bad, Like that's bad. We

476
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: shouldn't do that, Okay, so by saying you are bad,

477
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: you are being bad. Right Generally when people are like

478
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm stupid, I'm dumb, I'm a dumb mask or not that.

479
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: Not that that's what George was doing, but it comes

480
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: from the same place. Right now, it's true, Okay, you

481
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: know what. I never believe that they believe that this

482
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: leads to a This is a perfect transition into something

483
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: I just decided I want to talk about, which is like,

484
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: where are we on self awareness? Like where you where

485
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: you think it's good? It's good? And I'm just like

486
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: we are in a transitional moment in terms of like

487
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: what the right outlook is on irony, on earnestness, on

488
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: self awareness. I feel like it's it's kind of a

489
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: conversation in like TV and film and literature of like

490
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: is is the self aware main character necessary? Like is

491
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: it now hasn't now become insufferable? That Like when you

492
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: read a Sally Rooney novel, the main characters constantly like, well,

493
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: I got out and participated in capitalism again. I guess

494
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: you know, Like is that an okay? Like? Is that

495
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: a good mode of of of subjectivity? Awareness presumes that

496
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: you know everything, and I feel like no one knows everything.

497
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: I think self awareness is kind of over I think

498
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: it's at least for me personally. I'm trying to be

499
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: a little less self aware and I'm trying to um

500
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: sort of run without thinking and sort of just like

501
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: chase what I what I'm wanting and not overthinking it. Sam,

502
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: you really are committing to having a cliff girl summer, somebody,

503
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: those who may have not listened to every episode of

504
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: the podcast not naming names. A cliff girl is those

505
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: Instagram photos where a girl is like on a cliff

506
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: and taking a photo, but it's dangerous because you might fall. Yeah,

507
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: and sometimes she jumps off but makes her boyfriend take

508
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: the pick. And that's sort of like I'm living like

509
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: the freest summer, I complain, and this is the cliff

510
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: Girl summer. But it's also milk stout summer. According Akiko

511
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: sire anyway out summer, I'm obsessed with that. Well, yeah,

512
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: she said it has fewer calories than a normal drink.

513
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: Probably wrong, actually know, Actually you know what's funny, Like

514
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: people think like, oh, I can't drink guinness. It's too heavy,

515
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: It's going to be too much. Guinness is actually like

516
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: sort of locale, that's what liter. But it weighs you

517
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: down at all. It feels like substantial, right, That is

518
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: a self awareness I want to know your standing on awareness. Well,

519
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: when you said it, I thought, when when you posed

520
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: the question, George, and this is not a critique on

521
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 1: how you post the question, when you take it as one,

522
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: I can't I can't sort of stop. When you said

523
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: where are you at with self awareness? I thought what

524
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: you were asking was are we good at knowing when

525
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: we're being ridiculous? Like like what do when do I

526
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: look at my own Instagram and think, oh, I'm trying

527
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: way too hard to be like to look good or whatever.

528
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: I think my answer to that is, um, I find

529
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: myself to be pretty self aware. But I think I

530
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: agree with Sam that I don't really care too much

531
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: anymore because I think that not to get overlake. I

532
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: know this is the week of earnestness, but um, I

533
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 1: think with the pandemic has made me just like, oh,

534
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna not do things I actually want to

535
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: do because people might think it's not cool, like or

536
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: like people are not gonna not gonna not do things,

537
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: you are going to do things. I'll be doing things, yes, regardless,

538
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: I do how many times I want to Disneyland when

539
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: it opened four that's all I mean. That's and just

540
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: as a control, I'm how often did you go before COVID?

541
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: Probably like once a month and during COVID even more,

542
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: well there were no lines. There were no lines, there

543
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: were no lines, but no to answer to answer your question,

544
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: I think that it's just if you if you get

545
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: ugged down and like like what's happening in the discourse

546
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: or like you'll realize like you're gonna have a lot

547
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: less fun. And also I think that the discourse actually

548
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: is way smaller than we think, Like we don't people

549
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: don't care, like oh no, no, no, not saying go

550
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: out there and do problematic, harmful ship but like you know,

551
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: it's it's the whole trying to be cool of it

552
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: all that I don't really know. No one's paying attention

553
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: to you, Like that's no one cares like that. Like

554
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm always like the thing that's most dreaming to me

555
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: is like, is just trying to perceive myself outside of

556
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: myself and then that it is such a an unnatural

557
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: thing to do that. Um it like really like SAPs

558
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: my energy and like I don't have time to watch

559
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: TV ships. Well, it's like exactly what you're saying, which

560
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: is that self awareness often comes from narcissism because you

561
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: are so you think you're constantly being perceived and judged

562
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: by other people. So you're like, well, I better put

563
00:31:54,480 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: a disclaimer in front of um this post saying happy Thanksgiving. Yeah,

564
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: it's like, actually, no one cares about your thoughts on Thanksgiving.

565
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to drag specifically because it will

566
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: cause a problem for me. But there is someone who

567
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: there is someone who has a show that they do

568
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: every and out and every single time they post about it,

569
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: they say, this is so uncool. But l O l

570
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: at promoting myself. But I can't even believe I'm posting this.

571
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: But this is dumb l O L but and I'm

572
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: just like, you know what, I don't believe that you

573
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: think that that's und out promoting the Handmaids sod OMG.

574
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: This is so stupid. Oh my god, this show again, right,

575
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: l O L I'm at. I'm in this if you

576
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: want to watch it, sure randomly on Hulu, random title. No,

577
00:32:54,400 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: that's not how it works. I wait, I think, um,

578
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: I think that like you, I don't know. I'm sorry,

579
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: I lost my thought. Oh no, no, no, no, no,

580
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: it's it's perfect. I'm like, yeah, so I guess I'm like, Okay,

581
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: if we throw away self awareness, then are we throwing

582
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: out the baby with the bathwater? And then everyone is

583
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: like their worst selves. That's that. I guess. That's my

584
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: follow up question, and I'll stop talking about this. Image

585
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: of the baby with the bathwater is so hard to violent,

586
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: just like it's so violent, it's just the baby. As

587
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: soon as you said it, It's like when you say

588
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: the word, um, wife beater, which by the way, comes

589
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: out organically because I am because I just grew up

590
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: what I've always known that. Yes, well literally, it was

591
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: like you described it as a wife beater, and then

592
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: I heard I did the same to have me. I

593
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: heard the word come out of my mouth and I

594
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: was talking to someone and I was like, I literally

595
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: in this second I said, I was like, well, he's

596
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: wearing like a wife beater. Oh my god, can you

597
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: believe that I said that? And that we called it that?

598
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: Very baby out with the bath water is also physically

599
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: very confusing, because you would never empty out a bathtub

600
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: in a way where the baby would fly at Well,

601
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: I always imagine it's one of those sync bathtubs that

602
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: it's like it's very small baby. And I also I

603
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: kind of put a positive spin on it in my mind,

604
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: and I'm realizing this is not true. I've always imagined

605
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: throwing the baby out with the bathwater into sort of

606
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: a bigger pool. Oh, it's kind of okay. So that's

607
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: how you get the Nirvana baby. Sam, you would be

608
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: a great dad because because I don't throw the baby

609
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: out in the trash, can I throw it into the

610
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: bigger pool? That baby becomes an icon, A star is

611
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: a star is born. Yeah, as the baby gets out

612
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: of the bathtub, she goes George was really good. My

613
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: voice actually cracked. But we should do our first segment.

614
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: Oh my okay, does this ever happen to you guys?

615
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: Where Like, you know, you'll see somehow you'll see one

616
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: of your old Instagram stories, whether it's through like a

617
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: d M and it's like someone reply to like an

618
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: old storage does that make sense? Like You'll you'll you'll

619
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: be confronted with an old story of yours and you'll

620
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: you'll look at it and somehow, whether it's in the

621
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: visual or in the text, you're like, did I write that? Like? Wait,

622
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: what you know? I'll take it a step further. Sometimes

623
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: I look in the mirror and I'll say, is that me?

624
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how you guys feel for

625
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: having a podcast for so long, but I am particularly

626
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: terrified because it will be around and in and to

627
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: in not even two years, I'd say six months. I

628
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: will think what I'm saying now is actually really stupid.

629
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's yeah, it's it's not even that it's like, oh,

630
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: it's it would be reprehensible. Over time, and just I

631
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: listened back to old episodes every now and then, just

632
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: as like as an exercise, Like I'm saying, like once

633
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: every like three months, I'll be like, oh, that's all

634
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: this is interesting, Like I wonder I forgot what this

635
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: episode was, and I'll be like, oh, no, I'm a

636
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: fully different person. And maybe that just means that, like

637
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: all along, I have had no sense of self and

638
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: it is also kind of terrifying. Maybe that's what That's

639
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: what George is asking. So where I'm at with self

640
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: awareness permanently is that I feel like I've never had

641
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: any and but I feel like that the concept overall

642
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: is like, so is such a not fleeting thing, but

643
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: it's just something that like is like that no one

644
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: defines for well, you know, what I'm hearing is that

645
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: you only have it or not you only have it.

646
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: But self awareness in the moment is different from self

647
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: awareness in retrospect because basically you're constantly in a state

648
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: of changing, and you know, in the words of Joane Diddy,

649
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: and I've lost touch with many of the people I

650
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: used to be. Yes, bring the alarm, bring the alarm, play,

651
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: bring the alarm, ring, the jone ring, the Joane Diddion alarm.

652
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: I just I hate that I'm using this word, but

653
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: my therapist used it once, and I all, I all

654
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: I think about is this word appropriate reception. It's like

655
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: preceding yourself moving through space, and that is that is

656
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: an unnatural thing to do. Yes, we we've had that

657
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: podcast for over five years, which feels crazy and literally

658
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: I think I never you never more understand how much

659
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: do you change what bones is a different person. It's

660
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: I don't recognize the people talking. It's crazy, like and

661
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: and then I sometimes understand that people will get into

662
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: the podcast by listening to the first episode and going

663
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: through and it horrifies me because I listen. I I

664
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: did that like like I don't know, like a several

665
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,479
Speaker 1: months ago, during the pandemic, like I was just bored

666
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, let me listen to what that

667
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: first episode sounds like. I say things that I hate

668
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: more than I say things that I like. And it

669
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: happens quickly. It's like I'm like, oh, if I was

670
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: listening to this and like decided to get into this

671
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: podcast now, and it's like the twenty six year old

672
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: version of myself who wasn't who had a lot of

673
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: blind spots who really like to hear himself talk. I

674
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: just it like it like makes me itch, it's I'm

675
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: glad we've all gotten over the need to hear ourselves

676
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: talk completely selfless people, and I do not even you're

677
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: mad at No, I'm not mad at you. I I

678
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: literally I I think it's funny what you said. That's

679
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: true because the way you said, you think it's funny

680
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: what he said with Because this is this No, this

681
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: actually is an area like that I think about sometimes

682
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: because I'm not comfortable with being on record that from

683
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: that time, because I genuinely think I learned a lot

684
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: and got to be a better like person comedian co

685
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: host to Bowen. People know that. But people, it's not

686
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: that people will like you know, I don't know, just

687
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: just yeah whatever. I mean, I'll bring it back to

688
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: like doja and whatever else, But it is it is

689
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: the big question. Can people change? Yes? Yes, Okay, sorry

690
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: I go into the segment. I'm sorry, Well there's no

691
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: reason to apologie apologize. I I took us, I took

692
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: us into a little cold to sack that like was

693
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: so like like not even like not not even long.

694
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: This is this is the self aware spiral. I feel

695
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: like you should you shouldn't be apologizing, because you should

696
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: be saying, you know what, we went there and it

697
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: was beautiful and now we're out. It's very bow And

698
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: to use called the sack in a metaphor, I just

699
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: this is to ask George's George is a fucking genius

700
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: because to ask someone how are you doing? On how

701
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: are you? Where are you at? With with self awareness,

702
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: it means that the person has to evaluate themselves exactly

703
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: being self aware, And so it's like, it's just it's

704
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: a trap. It's a trap, and it's a beautiful little

705
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: you know, sort of a Joker style trap to make

706
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: you go insane. And interestingly, the way I intended it

707
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: was more like, where is the culture on self awareness

708
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: as a value? I know? No, I know you did,

709
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: and we all indus question, which really shows where we

710
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: all are with self awareness. Um wait, so George is

711
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: like the Joker? What killen are you guys all? I

712
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: think Sam's the Riddler. Sam's Sam's Riddler? Sure because his

713
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: little cackle giggle oh wow. Um. In my mind, Bowen

714
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: could be a riddler because he is kind of the

715
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: type of person who do crossword puzzles. Yes, no, Bowen

716
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: is and graphic design and graphic design bowen is dock

717
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: to wait, I thought we were doing DC like like Batman,

718
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: those categories on and since we're not doing DC or Marvel,

719
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: I will go ahead and say Matt is ursula. I

720
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: don't think that's true. I think I'm venom why because

721
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: I because of I lack self control and I bite people.

722
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: Oh I was I was saying to studio earlier today

723
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: that Matt did have a biting phase. There was a

724
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: long period of time when Max he run, he would

725
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: bite people when he would like be mad at them

726
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: or like no, oh, I would by people as a

727
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: fun thing, as a fun thing, and then like, well

728
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: he bite me. He like we'd sit on the subway

729
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: and like he'd like bite me in the elbow and

730
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: I'd be like stop that and then and then and

731
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: then he would like and then he would like get

732
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: mad at me and goes and he would say I

733
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: am the bier, like like I am this is the thing.

734
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: I don't like though that because because like year old

735
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: me was a biter and a tickler and like I

736
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 1: didn't have I didn't wasn't respecting space. That's that doesn't

737
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: easily forgivable offense. Matt, were you popular at camp? Uh?

738
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: I only went to camp two times. Two times I

739
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: went to camp and then one time I went to

740
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: Boys State And those are my only camp experiences and

741
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: none of the none of them went well. Oh, interesting,

742
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: because I was about to say, I think the quality

743
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: of being a biter in that context is very like

744
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: the kid at camp that just like immediately term is

745
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: like the camp class clown, but in a way where

746
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, we're all from different places, but here's Matt. No. Yeah,

747
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: at that time, I had debilitating social anxiety that made

748
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: biting new people impossible. M hmmm um. I mean now

749
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: it would be absolutely insane if we did our first

750
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: segment forty seven minutes, but we do, guys. Have you

751
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: guys had my favorite segments? So I want to do that. Okay,

752
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: we have to do it, and then after that, we're

753
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: going to immediately introduce your topic and we both cannot

754
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: wait to hear what it is. And they also potentially

755
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: didn't even talk about it beforehand. But that's why I'm

756
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: excited about it. And to be fair, I did we

757
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: did not, and I was my responsibility to email our guests,

758
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: and I did not like reiterate that how the podcast.

759
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: I kind of thought, yeah, because Bone and I have

760
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: like been you've both been on it. Yes, I think

761
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: we should have prepared. As a no, don't take the blame, George.

762
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: It was no, no, no, Bowen. We should have prepared

763
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: because we we even talked about doing something different this time.

764
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: In fact, I wanted to do that our sister podcast

765
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: because that's an unpacking of gay culture, because it's pride.

766
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: But I do think self awareness is a straight topic.

767
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,479
Speaker 1: But anyway, let's do our. Let's do our our first segments, Sam,

768
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: you need to go first, Okay, will you describe it?

769
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: And then I'll go first? Yes, so, Um, As both

770
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: our guests know, our first segment is called straight Shooters,

771
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: and it is a segment where we gauge our guest

772
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: familiarity with and complicity in straight culture by asking a

773
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: series of incoherent, rapid fire questions where they have to

774
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: choose one thing or another thing. I mean, isn't he

775
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: incredible at describing that? And then he looked really hot

776
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: when he was doing it. It was so confident, it

777
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: was so fast, it was incredible. Um, so I'll kick

778
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: us off. Okay, And you know that you're not allowed

779
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: to know that you've literally been here. You've literally been

780
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: on the podcast and have been yelled at for it. Okay, okay.

781
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: It the Italian Job or the Great British Bake Off,

782
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: It's Hard Job, Father's Day or Amazon Prime Day, Father's Day,

783
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: It's See Bitsy Spider, or the Big Fat Greek Wedding,

784
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: the Big fact Greek wedding. Shut up. I made it work.

785
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: I made it work, Okay. I tailored it a bit. Tailoring.

786
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: It's a great part. About to do that about one

787
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: of my top four letterbox movies on my own podcast, George,

788
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: what are your the letter box movies? I can't, I

789
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: don't even. I'll tell you this. One of them is

790
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: eyes wide shut, and I stand by it. Okay, Georgia,

791
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: I believe it's your turn. Oh fine, Um, happy pride,

792
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: or sorry for your loss? Sorry, sorry for your loss? Um,

793
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: I am not a crook. Or I'm reading this incredible

794
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: book I'm reading Wendy Williams Wendy Murdoch or The Wendy's

795
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: Breakfast Menu Wendy Williams Wendy Williams talking about Wendy Murdoch

796
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: while eating a top the Wendy's probably and echo bowen, Okay,

797
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: good girl gone bad or normal Scientists driven mad, Good God.

798
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: A Zoom workshop on being an effective ally, or a

799
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: good Reads subcommunity on young adult fiction with queer themes.

800
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: I know that the zu zoom zoom thing. Yeah, okay,

801
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't that obvious. You don't think so? Um wowe

802
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: wait oh that was the last one. Congrats, congrats George.

803
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: How do you feel they did? I think they did

804
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: wonderfully tense ten cents across the board. I will come

805
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: out as saying I actually had not thought of the

806
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: second part of my last one, and I literally came

807
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:10,479
Speaker 1: up with it on the spot. Amazing. I thought Zoom

808
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: Workshop for being an Effective Alley was good, and then

809
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't think of a second thing. But you know, okay,

810
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: it didn't feel improvised. It felt very pumpident. How do

811
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: how do we do? You just I'm just said, I'm sorry, Sam,

812
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: what do you don't know? Sam was talking about? George

813
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: is right? Yeah, he said wonderfully. I think you guys

814
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: did well. I mean there is a sense because you've

815
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: both been on the podcast before there can't be any surprise.

816
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: You you know how it works. So much of this

817
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: I was delighted though, you know, and you say that,

818
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: but I was sensoring some sort of boredom, almost an annoyance. No, no, no,

819
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: because I actually was going to say after but someone

820
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: else started speaking that I could have done that for

821
00:46:55,719 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: ninety minutes. Wow. I love and George's heart out. I'm

822
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: sorry I have a heart out. I got a herd

823
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: on for someone like having a heart out or having

824
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: a hard one hard on? Am I right? I think

825
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: George would be a great Samantha Jones. Get George in

826
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: for the for the reboot. Sometimes she does come out

827
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: and when I speak, much like when Shoshana said, but

828
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: sometimes when Samantha comes out, did we have we ever

829
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: decided who we all are? That's the question I have,

830
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: not feel like we must have. I feel like when

831
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: you guys came on last Coach, did that come up?

832
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: I feel like it should it probably did, and but

833
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: but but but also the things I said on that

834
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: episode talk about um losing touch with her self. I

835
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: used to be there. You go, Joan really when he

836
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: was Gorge on that episode of Hard g George can

837
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: you believe at they are replacing Samantha with a non

838
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: binary podcaster. Yes, doesn't that sound like a Twitter drunk?

839
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: I honestly, I didn't know. Actually, I'm sorry, I did

840
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: not know they were doing that, and I thought I

841
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: was like Sarah Ramirez Ramirez, I'm sorry, Sada Ramirez. Oh

842
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: this is Tony award Win. Yeah, that's real. Basically, No,

843
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: it's not a direct replacement. Basically, there are a bunch

844
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 1: of new supporting characters that they're going to be mixing

845
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: it up with. And one of them, well they did

846
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: Jennifer Hudson dirty in the fucking movie. Better not be

847
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: like that. Do you know what someone brought up recently

848
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: which I thought was so fascinating was how ugly the

849
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: bag that? Yes, that's one of favorite topics. Yeah, funny,

850
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: so funny. Oh my god, I love that. Okay, I

851
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: and now they're gonna it's they're gonna remake it and

852
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: she's gonna get a tell far bag right there you go. Damn,

853
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: no one knows who we are. Well I don't know

854
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: who we are. Uh okay, fine, I was gonna say,

855
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: we have our topic. I have a topic. Well, well

856
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: it should be as signed who we are first or no, yes,

857
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You assigned who we are and then you assigned.

858
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: You assigned and that makes you carry obviously, because this

859
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: is the parliamentary procedure of this. Okay, So, um, I'm carry. No, No,

860
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: Sam is Charlotte, that's for sure. I think Matt is Samantha.

861
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: I think George is George's carry. I'm Miranda. Yes, WHOA,

862
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. I do think it's unhinged to say

863
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: Sam is Charlotte. Sam doesn't take I don't think Sam

864
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: takes it a certain way, which again not offended. I

865
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: just don't um, I don't know if I buy it.

866
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I mean, maybe you you have

867
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: been like they so settled into this one, or maybe

868
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: that makes you Miranda. But I'm saying like you are

869
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: so settled into this relationship. That's true. That's true. That's true.

870
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Actually, but you you never had

871
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: a tray. I don't know. I don't know, and you

872
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: have been wanting that you know about we haven't want

873
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: to want to do well. He wants to throw the

874
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: baby into the smaller bath, the bigger, the bigger bath. Actually,

875
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: the bigger bath from the smaller bath between the four

876
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: of us. Maybe like I'm between it's between me and

877
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: Sam as to who is like the most guileless in

878
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: the in the Charlotte way, you know, like he was

879
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 1: the most und I think of. I guess it's true

880
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: that Charlotte is guileless when my first thing with Charlotte

881
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: is like waspy conservative. That's how I understand why people

882
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: that's not what in terms of the understand the character

883
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: in terms of character traits. I don't think. I don't think.

884
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: I don't think in those terms. I'm sorry, I don't.

885
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: I don't see class. But um I because I'm in

886
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: the V I P. Section. That's that's that's my signment. Bowen,

887
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: what is your topic? Okay? Has someone done this before

888
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: the two thousand's, Honey, Well, we have made the argument.

889
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: Sam made the argument that is coming back. Yes, no,

890
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: and I do love that and I agree. Actually at

891
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: twenty time is coming back, especially with you know, George's job.

892
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: Georgia means Cocker. We've got everyone's flocking to Williamsburg again.

893
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: Uh everything bright Eyes is playing at Forest Hills. Um.

894
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: But before the early two thousand's, you're saying, because to me,

895
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: is different than like, you know, let's say the paparazzi

896
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: culture of like Paris Hilton, like that kind of two thousands. Yes,

897
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 1: And while like, while like there are like foundational texts

898
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: for like queer people in the two thousand's, like they

899
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: all had to be like, uh, like the cheese on

900
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: the broccoli for straight people was that it was like

901
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: it's Paris Hilton, and don't straight people of Paris Hilton

902
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: like that kind of thing. You know, she's on the broccoli. Yeah,

903
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: like as the way to make like like like there

904
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 1: are things that were like queer coded I guess I

905
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: see in the two thousands, but like made palatable for

906
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: stra palatable people. Maybe I don't know if that even

907
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: makes sense. I'm making this up. I mean literally, we

908
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: can examine this in the metro sexual. So basically the

909
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: whole idea of the metro sexual a person that is

910
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: straight and male, that um is allowed to look good

911
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: and like what he likes because he's letting you know

912
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: when he says he's a metro sexual that he actually

913
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: fox chicks, So be permissible, and then we can talk

914
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: about like your interest in everything. I mean, the metro

915
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: I think one like the metrosexual is like part of

916
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: the fascinating relationship men have with like any kind of

917
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: self betterment. It's like it's like deeply humiliating to like

918
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: care about your own self. It's it's one of those

919
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: sexual stupidest terms ever, because when you say metro sexual,

920
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: what you're really saying is that there's a sexuality going

921
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: on that that it is at any ring a sexuality

922
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: to which you just use a flat iron on your hair.

923
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: That's that's and you're not fucking it. There's nothing sexual

924
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: about it. Nothing sexual about a man going to a

925
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: faith Hill concert. But that's but that's but isn't that?

926
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: Isn't that Like the other side of that coin is

927
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: like the gay people, Like, let's just keep it to

928
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: gay people, like claiming certain cultural ownership over certain things

929
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: like that has nothing to do with sex either. I mean,

930
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: this is such a this is such a hack thing

931
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: to talk about. But it's like, oh, at this point sexual,

932
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: I mean like nothing, why don't I'm not I'm not

933
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: smart enough to make any point about this. Actually, well

934
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: it was a time when everyone really did care about Later,

935
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: I was like, what if the podcast literally ended right there?

936
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: That would have been so iconic. Well, that's all the

937
00:53:54,320 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: time we have what well, I was just hanging on

938
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: Bowen's every word and then he made me absolutely unhinged

939
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: point that he's not smart enough to talk about gage.

940
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: That's not that's self aware, but self awareness is death

941
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: out would keep up? Um. I was just like, I

942
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: I feel like you are the You are one of

943
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: the people I would want to hear talk about, for instance,

944
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: the evolution of like gay identity, which not to put

945
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: you on the spot, but I'm like, if not you,

946
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: then you know, is it going to be Bobby Burke? Yeah,

947
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: you guys should bring Bobby on. I mean, honestly, he

948
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: actually might be my favorite. I actually would not mind

949
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: that one bit. Sweet sweet man, he appears to be heard.

950
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: He's like popping up on grinder in l A and

951
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, good for you. We all have a good

952
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: friend that has fucked him really Oh yeah, huge, congrats.

953
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: It's the same friend that says l O L sorry

954
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: to self promote. He's on Instagram, he says sorry about this,

955
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: but I just Bobby Burke. It's it's Anne, It's it's out.

956
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: Um no anyway, the two but yes, the metrosexual just

957
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: kind of like the existence of that. First of all,

958
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: I think there's like a great movie premise in like

959
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: are this a title of like the Last Metrosexual? But

960
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: then also yeah, like I I had to like take

961
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: cover behind that, like growing up and being closeted, like

962
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: buying clothes like me like loving buying clothes. Like people

963
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: would point out that's gay, bone I'd be like, no,

964
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm just a metrosexually. I earnestly that's fast. That for

965
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 1: like probably a week when I was like, well, literally

966
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: you could use it as a cover. It literally would

967
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: save you. But like because because because it became so

968
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: sort of um mainstream to say that that people started

969
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: to buy it as a real thing, like I think,

970
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: and honestly had to do with like Ryan Seacrest being

971
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: the host of the most popular show in America out

972
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: here like the poster child for being a metro sexual.

973
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: Everyone had a sticking point image for what it was,

974
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: and no one wanted Ryan's secret to be gay. That

975
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 1: would mean everyone would have to kill themselves for liking

976
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: them so much. Wait, you know what would be funny

977
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: if is if like we applied the rhetoric of kind

978
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: of inclusivity to the idea of the metrosexual has an

979
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: identity and sound. This is really like, this is really

980
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: exclusionary towards metrosexuals for you to say that, like all

981
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: men smell bad, Like, actually, some of us identify as metrosexuals,

982
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: and in fact there are intersecution. You know, some of

983
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: us can be metosexuals and also tall. Well. I also

984
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: think for like current day men, like straight men real men,

985
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: um No, there is like still a stigma, like it's

986
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: easier to be gay, but it's if you're a straight

987
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: man and like a mostly straight society like in the

988
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: Midwest or Long Island or whatever, it is still weird

989
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: if you're like I care about clothes, like they say this. Yeah,

990
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: I think at least the metrosexual was like a straight phenomenon,

991
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: whereas now whenever a man paints his nails, he's smashing

992
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: the gender binarya at least metrosexual. The idea of the

993
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: metrosexual at least gave straight men a little label to

994
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: have when they wanted to be a little cute, see,

995
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: and they could still stay in their lane but also

996
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: wear a skinny tie. Now you were a skinny tie,

997
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: Suddenly you know you have to be on the cover

998
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: about magazine, right right, Oh, that's so interesting. I was

999
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: going to say that, like the metrosexual is like transition

1000
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: into being like the only like analog to this now

1001
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: is like a straight tech bro who like is into

1002
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: like optimizing but like like themselves. But like that's not

1003
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: that's not the same. That's not the same because like aesthetically,

1004
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: because there's a queer aesthetic now that like is widely

1005
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: adopted and that is like separate from I think like

1006
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: metros actuality, which was like on a big on on

1007
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: like a wider like scope. It was just like men

1008
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: who wanted to like take care of themselves and closeted

1009
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: game in right right right, so, which which I honestly

1010
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: think was then. But are we saying that like metrosexuals Um,

1011
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: every metrosexual back in the day was just in the

1012
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: closet or were they? Or No, No, I don't think so.

1013
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: I think that, I think, But I do think they

1014
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: had to apologize for and explain having any interest outside

1015
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: of a very crazy binary that existed throughout the entire office. Well,

1016
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: I also think, I mean it has to do with

1017
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: the death of print, because men's magazines had a lot

1018
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: of power over um what was cool and what was not,

1019
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: and so they would then dictate like this cut of pants,

1020
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, these brands are cool, like, for instance,

1021
00:58:55,560 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: the entire moment of like designer denim, like true religion. Yes. Um,

1022
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: my point is that we're like it was top down.

1023
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,439
Speaker 1: It was not a democratic movement. It was top down

1024
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: and people were being told what to look like and

1025
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: what to wear. I would bottom up or no. And

1026
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: and I think that there it's less centralized now, like

1027
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: it's in general, things are less trend based. And I

1028
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: think that the metro sexual as a concept was like

1029
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,439
Speaker 1: sold to straight men like this is what it means

1030
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: to like take this is like a type of man

1031
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: you can be that's more elevated and it is taking

1032
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 1: care of yourselves and blah blah blah. And now it's

1033
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: like g Q will talk about how like basketball players

1034
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: are rocking a great fit this week. It's like yeah,

1035
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: and by the way, like all the g Q editors

1036
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: are like these like hot straight dudes who dress well.

1037
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: And I'm like and then now like as a game,

1038
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: and I'm over here like pining after them in my

1039
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: innocent way, but like that's like that's where we've gone,

1040
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: and it's like fine, it's harmless. Well, g Q editors

1041
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: are like straight twinks, yes, yes, and they're and they're

1042
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: and they're all gorgeous. Yes. Well in the transition, the

1043
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: transition between the two was two Tumbler culture that would

1044
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: be like fu, yeah, men'swear where I mean I have

1045
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: to say sorry to stay at the obvious for be like, uh,

1046
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know a lesser podcaster, but it

1047
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: is it is true that Tumbler was like way more

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01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: influential than we like to admit. No, yeah, I think

1049
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: I think we don't say that enough. I know, but

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01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: people know it to be true implicitly, But like I

1051
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: think we need to like externalize that truth more and

1052
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: say it. We're gonna make Tumbler is actually more influential

1053
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: than we talk about. That's really good. I would buy it. Matt,

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01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: you have something to say. No, I'm just I'm I'm

1055
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: remembering that Bowen and I used to do a bid

1056
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: for years. What about metrosexuals? Where I was we were?

1057
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: The song that Matt wrote, It was a song I wrote,

1058
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: How did it go? It took play? It took place

1059
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: in two thousand three, and it was a group of

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01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: friends and it was like me Bow and Dave and

1061
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: Doug White, and we were all watching the finale of

1062
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: American Idol Season four, like, and we were like, we

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01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: love bo Bice and we were all like, go Bow

1064
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: and we were all just like sort of fagging out

1065
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: over bow Bice like and then um in, I walked

1066
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: in upset because I felt like even though I was

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01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: a straight man, people were were upset that I like

1068
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: went to Ashley Simpson concerts and like, why couldn't I

1069
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: just be myself? It was just like a group of

1070
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: people understanding each other and we would sing about I

1071
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: forget how it went. It was I like she was

1072
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: and how like she was doing my hair? It was

1073
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: it was matro sexual, I like fucking girls or what

1074
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: was called. It was the best line, which was at

1075
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: the end, I gave it to Boone to like do

1076
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: like a punch up on it, and he put one

1077
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: joke in there that I really liked at the time,

1078
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: which was um it was like the bridge part. I

1079
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: was like, I'm a metro sexual. Normal grantees, I'm a

1080
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: metro sexual. I want to bang Britney spear. Wow. My

1081
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: first punch up my punch up. Um these men screaming

1082
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: that they wanted to bang Britney spears. There couldn't be anything.

1083
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: Three that's so funny, guy like like metro sexual thing

1084
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: is the word bang bang And the person that you

1085
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: example that you make an example of is Brittain here. Well,

1086
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: my my whenever whenever I was in the closet in

1087
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: high school and people people are like, who's your celebrity crush?

1088
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: Should be like, um, Sandra, Oh you know like I

1089
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: like it was so tasteful, couldn't Yeah, Sandra, that's really intellectual.

1090
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: That's that's good. I'm trying to think who mine. I

1091
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: think we've done this, we have done I have actually humiliating.

1092
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: I have a humiliating memory of this. So there was

1093
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: like nemb like and when you would get to a

1094
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: new class and you'd have to fill out those get

1095
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:02,959
Speaker 1: to know me cards and it was like favorite food,

1096
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: favorite music, favorite. I would always have a heart attack

1097
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: when I would get those things because then you'd have

1098
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: to say what your interests were, and I all my

1099
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: interests were like exclusively gay, eating as Thomas Finland, poppers,

1100
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: light and maple play, some hair um um like, but

1101
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: I remember I would have a heart attack because I

1102
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: would have to sort of like guess what my peers

1103
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: and the teacher would want to hear. And I the

1104
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: musician that I always put as my favorite musician was

1105
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: Limp Biscuit Iconic. My end for favorite actress, I would

1106
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: always say terror Read and then I had to stop

1107
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,439
Speaker 1: saying Terry because she wasn't cool anymore. So I said

1108
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: Chris John ah Lochan, who played the T one million

1109
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: in one of the Terminator sequels, like she was like

1110
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: this hot blonde. My Spanish teacher one time said to me,

1111
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: who is Christiana Lokin? And I said, Oh, she's an

1112
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: actress from Terminator. She goes, oh, how do you know her?

1113
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: And then I just went I put on a straight

1114
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: bro voice and I said website and she she literally

1115
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: did this website website. Terry Read is actually a great answer.

1116
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: It's been a great answer all along, because like, guess

1117
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: what big lebowski she's in like one scene, but she's great.

1118
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 1: I did not know that. I forgot. I did not

1119
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: know she was a big Lebowski. She rd is American pie,

1120
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: American pie ducts. I mean, she's like she's like what

1121
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: I did was straight to associate her more with American

1122
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: Pie than Josie and the Pussycats. Yes, very straight. Now

1123
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: that I said that story, I will have a bad

1124
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: day the rest of the day. I'm not kidding. Like

1125
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where it's just like I

1126
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: can't believe I was drowning so much that I did that,

1127
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: but that happens for like a good even I remember

1128
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: being like literally nineteen and being like just sort of

1129
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: like saying what I felt like people wanted me to say,

1130
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't have the specifics, but I

1131
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: remember like one of the early improv classes being like,

1132
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: write down your favorite actors, and I was like, I'm

1133
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: literally just gonna like put what I think other people

1134
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: want me to say. When I moved when my family

1135
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: moved back to Greece, which I was thirteen, um, the

1136
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: cool thing at the time in Greek and probably other

1137
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: neighboring countries was to be into like death metal like that.

1138
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: The cool thing was to be into like Iron Maiden

1139
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: and like Black Sabbath, which I which I coming from

1140
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: suburban New Jersey, it was so foreign to me because

1141
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: in New Jersey the cool thing was to be like preppy,

1142
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: like in New Jersey. I was desperate to like be

1143
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: a a cross player, but I had no idea what

1144
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: the rules were. And then suddenly and I was like

1145
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: wearing multiple polo shirts and then to suddenly go from

1146
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: that to have the cool thing be literally listening to

1147
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: iron Maid, and so I was just like, Okay, I

1148
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: have to act fast. And so I just bought like

1149
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: a black backpack and just like wrote things on it

1150
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: with white out that were like vaguely referencing death metal.

1151
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: And then I found some like flea market store that

1152
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: sold like little pins of like bands that looked metal esque,

1153
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: and I just like filled it with like a little

1154
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: um buttons. And then I was just like I would

1155
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: go to school every and I was like, well, I'm

1156
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: truly walking on thin nights, because if a single person

1157
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: asks me, like what song I like of any of

1158
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: these bands, I legitimately would have no idea what to say.

1159
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: That was how I got into Bone, and I did

1160
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: an episode a few a few weeks ago where we

1161
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: ended up talking about like dashboard and like all that

1162
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: like email stuff. The reason I was even into that

1163
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: at all was because all the girls I was friends

1164
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: with in high school all were like that stuff like

1165
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: something corporate and all that, all that stuff, and I

1166
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: remember just like it wasn't naturally what I liked, but

1167
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: by the time I liked it, I really liked it

1168
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: because I was able. I convinced myself of it. And

1169
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: now you listen to it again and you're like, Okay,

1170
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: this is the gayest music of all time. It's the

1171
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: gay it's straight twinks who probably not even straight, just

1172
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: like screaming about how sad they are, which is beautiful.

1173
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember like when pop punk was like

1174
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: simple plan, which I realized is like everything you're saying

1175
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: water down like three more levels. But there was something

1176
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: that gave that, like I related to that. There was

1177
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: like men in skinny jeans screaming kind of in a

1178
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: very well like interesting music video, and the melodies were

1179
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: solid and like there was like there was there were

1180
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: lots of there were a lot of entry points for

1181
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: for a closet and gay boy to come in. Huge hooks,

1182
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: I mean like huge pop hooks in those songs like Charlotte.

1183
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: Never listen to the song the ballad only One by

1184
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: Yellow Card. It's like a gorgeous Whitney Houston ballad. It's

1185
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: like so big an epic. It's like Celine diond you know,

1186
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: all the girls, then you girls should do a cover

1187
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: should all come together and do a cover album of

1188
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: early two thousand's pop punk. I mean Olivia was kicking

1189
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 1: it off, baby. That's how we started talking about it,

1190
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: because we were talking about the new Olivia Red album

1191
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: and we were saying she was kind of bringing back

1192
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: like Paramore. Yeah, yeah, well they well they did this

1193
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: thing on Sorry Pitchwork Today where they where it was

1194
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 1: like Hayley Williams's influences like everywhere now the young girls,

1195
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: and it's just funny how like the cycle is short

1196
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 1: and because don't they say, like it's oh it's every

1197
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: thirty years, but that's fashion, but like, um, whatever it

1198
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: is in music, like the cycle now is shortened. You

1199
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:54,719
Speaker 1: know whose influences everywhere Liz Fair Yes, oh my god, yes,

1200
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 1: even like Guy Bill and Guy will iconic, but even

1201
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 1: like why Can't I Breathe exactly good like her in fact,

1202
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: I mean Guy Villa is of course influential and iconic,

1203
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: but her non acclaimed stuff, if anything in the mainstream,

1204
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 1: is more influential because she did it before you were

1205
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: allowed to do it. Exactly. For her to go from

1206
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: that to that is huge. There was a time where

1207
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 1: you couldn't watch a romantic comedy trailer without hearing the

1208
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 1: beginning chords of So Good Anyway, isn't this the best

1209
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: part of breaking around UM? I think it's iconic and

1210
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: shows that we are intellectual gays, that we moved on

1211
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: from actresses to um rocker girls. Not that the other

1212
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: guys are doing that now. Not the other guys are

1213
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 1: doing that. Not the other guys are doing that. All

1214
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: four of us talking about how like we like would

1215
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 1: like hide behind like certain things like like in our

1216
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: closet hood like and us talking debating about whether or

1217
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 1: not Pride programming is like fun is like that. It's like,

1218
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: it's beautiful to me, that's what people want. This this episode,

1219
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: we're giving the people exactly what they want, and that's God. Sorry,

1220
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: I am like the fact that I the fact that

1221
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: I tried. No, I'm not self aware at all in fact,

1222
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: but I was so I triggered myself so much by

1223
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 1: talking about the like iron maiden of it all, like

1224
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: the idea that that was ever something I had to

1225
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 1: do to appear horrifying acceptable to people around me. Is

1226
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: like insane. Yeah, And of course now there's this weird

1227
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 1: almost like counterintuitive thing that happens where like all those things, okay,

1228
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: bear with me here, but like, for instance, when I

1229
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: was young, I would be alien not alienated, but I

1230
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 1: would think something like a Scorsese movie was not for me,

1231
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: and so I'd be like, that's straight, that's straight, that's straight.

1232
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: Now that I'm grown, I can appreciate it as just

1233
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 1: like a work of art, and I'm like, no, Martin

1234
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 1: Scorsese is like a very very good director, and I

1235
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: genuinely enjoy his movies. And that's also confusing because then

1236
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: it's like where are we, Like, should I now just

1237
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: start listening to Iron Maiden? Well it's okay, it's so tough.

1238
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: But this is where I feel like, um, fan culture

1239
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: is such a big part of it, because when I

1240
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: think about the thing that was liked of Bking or like,

1241
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: it wasn't that the stuff was actually bad or too

1242
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 1: masculine for my tastes or whatever. It was that it

1243
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:31,600
Speaker 1: was like the people that liked it, I would have

1244
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: felt like they were too masculine and they were to

1245
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: me like even like blank, why too? I now have

1246
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: enough distance and I'm like, I love, can't get enough

1247
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: of the stuff. But when I was like a kid,

1248
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: I was like, this is for the scary boys that

1249
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: like I will never hang out with because they're intense.

1250
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: And like also the Simpsons, that was for kids that

1251
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 1: were intense, and I'm a really good kid and that's

1252
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 1: not for me. I did think that about South Park

1253
01:11:55,640 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 1: a little bit. What just there's something impenetrable about at

1254
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: it and I think it also a lot of that

1255
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: stuff also just like because at the time I was

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01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: living in New Jersey, a lot of that stuff like

1257
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: reminded me that my parents were for and I was

1258
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: just like people were like, I'm not allowed to watch

1259
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 1: South Park. I'm like, my parents don't know what South

1260
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: Park is. Like that's not even part of the conversation.

1261
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: Same George, Yeah, but this but this, but this is

1262
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 1: this was this is maybe talking this maybe addresses what

1263
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: you were talking about, where it's like you had to

1264
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:29,560
Speaker 1: always triangulate like what the thing was and what and

1265
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: who you were in relation to the people who liked

1266
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: the thing, and then you're like, well, I'm either I'm

1267
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 1: either not that person or I am that person. Um,

1268
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 1: And then that's like what like kind of like sucks

1269
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: us all into like current gay fandoms or whatever, where

1270
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, well, I it's it's more important to

1271
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 1: belong than it is to like have like a sense

1272
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: of like what I what I like, which I I

1273
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,560
Speaker 1: think about all the time. I'm like, kind of, I

1274
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: probably like this thing because everyone else likes it, which

1275
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 1: is fine, I still like it. But you're also playing

1276
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: to the fact that social media dynamics literally recreate high

1277
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: school dynamics. Of course, so we're just graduating from one

1278
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: form of high school. High school never ends. Who let's

1279
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,759
Speaker 1: say this in conclusion about the two thousand's oh pieces

1280
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: concluding you had to be there and orders the heart

1281
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: out and we're actually passed the heart out. He's like,

1282
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: he's late to his dinner. Can I ask a genuine question, Sam,

1283
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: are you going to? Are you like really mad that

1284
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: I have a heart out? No? No, I'm not. Actually

1285
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 1: it happens to us all big. I know it does.

1286
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: But this episode could have so easily been like a

1287
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: two hour recording, And why don't we do another one?

1288
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: Gone off, We'll do another one in a couple of years,

1289
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: all right, is really pushing it back? Sorry, that is

1290
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 1: so shady. What No, Yeah, well, let's recommitte in a

1291
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: couple of years. I always say a couple of years

1292
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: because I don't want to put the pressure. I don't

1293
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: want to be side and I'm coming max I and

1294
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 1: I just want to make it clear. I was. I

1295
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 1: was assuming we would do it again in like two days.

1296
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 1: And I knew that about you, and I knew that out.

1297
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: You know, I just assumed that. I'm assume I'm invited

1298
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 1: on every episode. God, you know what I wish. I

1299
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: wish we were all in the same room. Really literally,

1300
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: could that's the as that we actually could have got No, Matt,

1301
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: you said your parents were visiting. Yeah, but we we

1302
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: should do was just waving the she was waving to

1303
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 1: me from the window. She's water in the flowers, I went.

1304
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: I was thinking the whole time. Yeah, I'm telling you guys,

1305
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: it's intoxicating when Matt and I did an episode in

1306
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 1: the same in the same studio as as our guest.

1307
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: We need to we need it's different, we need to

1308
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: do to ourselves. Are the four of us to do

1309
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: this in the same room. I know George is doing

1310
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: a bit like like we we should all be in

1311
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,560
Speaker 1: the same room, but we actually should I mean is

1312
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 1: this weekend. I'm telling you we're doing let's record this weekend?

1313
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: All right, I'm not free at all, but we might be.

1314
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 1: Do you think you have I can stan any Pride

1315
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 1: event because you don't. And we didn't even get to

1316
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 1: talk about my experience. I'm gonna be on Fire Island,

1317
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: which and we didn't get to talk about my experience.

1318
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on Fire Island. Well, and no one

1319
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: even talk not even asked, Hey, sam, Ay, which parties

1320
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: are you gonna be like? Which P tickets did you access? Um?

1321
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 1: Actually zero? Because I'm gonna be on Fire Island, which

1322
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 1: actually I semi regret as the ultimate V I P experience.

1323
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: That's right, but it's very much the worst people you've

1324
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:33,639
Speaker 1: ever met. Um. Okay, wait, we have to our final segments.

1325
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: Sorry to have to go past your time. Okay, that's fine.

1326
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: So our final segments called shout outs, and you give

1327
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,560
Speaker 1: a shout out sort of the style of saus in

1328
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: one trl um back to your crew about anything that

1329
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:49,600
Speaker 1: you're liking. Um at the moment. Um, Wait, George, do

1330
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 1: you have one? Sure? Okay? Um, how's everybody doing? Listeners?

1331
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: That's right, I have a chill voice. Now I want

1332
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: to give a quick shout out to past guests of

1333
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 1: the pod. Larry Owens, Matt Rogers, and I attended his

1334
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: show and it was the first live performance of any

1335
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: kind I've seen that wasn't comedy. Uh and right, because

1336
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 1: the first my performance I did see that was comedy

1337
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: with Sam show I ever want any rescredible and iconic

1338
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 1: and slade and I it actually made me never want

1339
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: to never want to go to another performance because I

1340
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: could never compare to Sam. But nevertheless I persisted and

1341
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: went to Larry Owen to this performance. I went into

1342
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 1: this show and this is a show where he sang

1343
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: Sondheim standards. I went in knowing literally zero about Sondheim,

1344
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: to the extent that I did not recognize a single

1345
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: song he saying, and let me tell you something. By

1346
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: the end, I was all in. And I spent the

1347
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: next day watching YouTube videos Broadway divas, for example, Bernadette

1348
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:50,600
Speaker 1: Peters and Pattie Lapone performing Sondheim classics. And now I

1349
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 1: am ready for theater to reopen though that I can

1350
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: see company starting. Katrina Link, Wait, did you did you

1351
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: watched the video that I was telling you about Which

1352
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: one were you telling the Kennedy Center Honors Barbara Cook? Yes,

1353
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: then close one. Yes, Yes I did. In fact, I

1354
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: wanted to maybe three times. What it's It's I kind

1355
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: some moment of culture. It is, it's iconic. What did

1356
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: you think of when they cut to Anna in the

1357
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 1: audience and she I mean it was so I honestly

1358
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 1: expected her to be even more tear eyed. I expected

1359
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 1: her to be like violently convulsing. Uh No, her her

1360
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 1: vibe in it is very like I am out of wind.

1361
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 1: I have had the wind taken out of me. I

1362
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: can't believe what I just saw. That was her crying

1363
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 1: one like the face she was making, the sound is

1364
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean? I love her? Listen, I could see this

1365
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 1: is an incredible mormance that is so good. I love you. Okay, okay,

1366
01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: I'll go. Um. What's up, listeners? How's everybody doing? I

1367
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: hope you're enjoying your beautiful Pride week. I just want

1368
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: to give a huge, little old shout out to the

1369
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: um Watching the decline of Twitter. I am still active

1370
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: on this website, and it's really interesting to see there's

1371
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 1: actually no one on there that I enjoy seeing their tweets.

1372
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: It's weird to still be upon this website. You know,

1373
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: Every once in a while, George will tweet late at

1374
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: night and I'll smash that RP because it's fun and

1375
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 1: somebody's having fun with the platform for once. But in general,

1376
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 1: it's literally screenshots of movies, people being like, she ate this,

1377
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 1: and it's like, that's why she was hired, you dumb bitch.

1378
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 1: It makes no sense. It's kind of sad to see

1379
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 1: something slowly rot, but I'm also here for it. I

1380
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 1: love you for the decline of Twitter. I'll see you soon.

1381
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 1: It's going away on Facebook, isn't it. It really is.

1382
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 1: It's really it's like prompt Twitter every day. It's like

1383
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: people redo viral tweets now they like get covered. It's

1384
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: weird prompt Twitter. So I think of nothing more pathetic

1385
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: than to actually genuinely I'm sorry people, we've all done it.

1386
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 1: I say this as I say this to to a

1387
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: group of people who we've all responded to prompt Twitter.

1388
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:13,759
Speaker 1: But it's like I don't want who cares whatever? Sorry, Okay,

1389
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:18,440
Speaker 1: I can go go for it. Um Hey, Freakings and Chicas,

1390
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 1: it's your boy bow And I just wanted to shout

1391
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 1: out the re release of the instant classic Jessie Ware

1392
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 1: album Once You're Pleasure, the plen of Pleasure Edition. My

1393
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 1: special relationship to Jessie Ware to that album was when

1394
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: it came out last year. I tweeted something Twitter. I

1395
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: was like, I love that Jesse Ware has finally discovered

1396
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 1: fagets this album cycle. And then I got a lot

1397
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: of people in my reply saying, fuck you. You don't

1398
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: know where you're talking about. Why are you shooting on

1399
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 1: Jesse Ware. It was stand Twitter being like thinking that

1400
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 1: I was shading Jesse Ware for like getting into like

1401
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 1: a new sound, and I was like, oh god, no,

1402
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: I was. I was ground floor Jesse Ware fan when

1403
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 1: she was doing shod day during while this moment and

1404
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 1: some like like that album sell Like I've been listening

1405
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: to jesse Where since day fucking one. Don't try it,

1406
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 1: don't swipe. I fucking love this re release. I'm sorry

1407
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,679
Speaker 1: I made that, like so like um acrimonious, but like, um, anyway,

1408
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 1: that's about Jesse I'm I'm I'm loving all the new

1409
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: tracks He's add it on What's Your I'm sort of

1410
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,440
Speaker 1: hot and heavy and please and then um, I'm rediscovering

1411
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,799
Speaker 1: songs from the original album that I told they completely overlooked,

1412
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: like spot like that. The first track is so fucking

1413
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 1: good anyway, Freakings and Chicas, I love it. You will

1414
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 1: to buy and I have to agree. Thank you for

1415
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 1: showing that out. That was I it's so good. I

1416
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 1: can't sound so good. One of the best songs of

1417
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:44,679
Speaker 1: all time is um Champagne kisses. Oh yeah, oh my god.

1418
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,600
Speaker 1: And just to piggyback off of that, I was on

1419
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 1: the front row for Jesse Ware in twenty twelve when

1420
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: like when she was first like popping off. Wait what

1421
01:20:54,040 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: she kisses? There's nothing nothing the album. I'm thinking of devotion, Yes, devotion,

1422
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 1: that's the tour I went to you. Yeah, but like Bowen,

1423
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 1: like it's not your tweet is dead on when you

1424
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 1: say she just covered faggots, like she find like her

1425
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: music finally got like up tempo, like I mean finally

1426
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 1: has like kicked it up, and she had a red

1427
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 1: bull and went to the studio. But then all these

1428
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 1: faggots were like a fuck you shot. Faggots are so dumb. Yeah,

1429
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 1: that is actually true merch. That's merch. Okay, sorry all ready, Yes,

1430
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: what's absolutely good everybody. This is a name Matt Rodgers

1431
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: ak dj Riga, Tony Dan's a k A. My NW

1432
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 1: drag name is Salem Witchcraft. Canna be performing never all right,

1433
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 1: I just want to do a quick shout out to

1434
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 1: send your read A Ford a k Miss Ford, my

1435
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 1: spani teacher from absolutely yes eighth grade, where I um

1436
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 1: sort of you know, said my favorite actress Rona looking

1437
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: and implied that I jacked off to her on a website.

1438
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: I want to give her a shout out because I've

1439
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: no I ruined her day and I've not been able

1440
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 1: to stop thinking about it. Like I confirmed I would

1441
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 1: not be able to earlier today on the episode. So

1442
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 1: I want to thank you everyone so much for um

1443
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 1: sort of bearing with me as I went through that memory.

1444
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: And I just want to say sangorate A Ford. If

1445
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: you're out there listener, if you're a Frita Chica, if

1446
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: you're a loser or freak um and you're listening to

1447
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 1: this episode of Tradio Lab, I want to say I'm

1448
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 1: very sorry. And I also want to say I'm very

1449
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: sorry to Krishtam Lookin, who also didn't deserve any of this.

1450
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 1: She simply went in listening for the terminator. She booked

1451
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 1: a T one million and she killed it. Um, and

1452
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 1: I sexualized her in that moment as a closeted gay

1453
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: and metro sexual, pronouncing little dumb faggot. In fact, it's

1454
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 1: are dumb. So thank you so much. Shout out to

1455
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 1: miss Ford. Actually, you know what now that I remember

1456
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 1: you were kind of a shitty teacher, um, but you

1457
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 1: still that that doesn't mean you deserved um what happened

1458
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 1: to you? So I stand you as a person, but

1459
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: not as a teacher way victim blaming senor Rita Ford.

1460
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 1: That not like more Irish Ford Ford. She was like

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Speaker 1: she was like, um, pale had it actually had a

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Speaker 1: tough time. M Um, well guys, this has been so

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Speaker 1: much fun. Thank you. I haven't had more. No, you

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Speaker 1: two are fucking so fucking good. And I and I

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01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 1: stand you until my body withers and gets rotted into

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Speaker 1: the damn core of the earth. In about hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: I I echo my sister, the safty sister, saty sister. Um,

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, yeah, we're not replying, we're

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01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: not responding like we also like you too, were just

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01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 1: letting Sam no, no, go ahead. I did respond that way.

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Speaker 1: I know, but I guess I guess I was. Guess

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Speaker 1: I'm just talking about myself. Um, it's self awareness. Good.

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Speaker 1: What do you guys think? Yeah, let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, you guys please listen. Lants.

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Speaker 1: Culture Rita is hosted by Bow and Yang and Matt Rogers. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Next week they're having Bristol Palin fir side of the story.

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Speaker 1: And you know what she knows about cultures the whole time.

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Speaker 1: She's a culture maker. It's so fun. Bristol Palin on

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Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars. It was a moment of culture

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Speaker 1: and I'll say this rule of culture number forty six.

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Speaker 1: Bristol alright, Oh my god, I go Okay,