1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: On this episode of Newsworld. Shortly after President Donald J. 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: Trump took the oath of office on Monday, he signed 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: more executive orders in day one than any president history. 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: He declared a national emergency on the US Mexico border 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: as part of immigration related executive actions. He also declared 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: in a separate order that the current situation at the 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: southern border qualifies as an invasion. Securing the US southern 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: border was a huge focus of his campaign, and he's 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: already delivering on what he promised to do. Here to 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: discuss the executive orders and what comes next, I'm really 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: pleased to welcome my guest and my good friend, Chadwolf. 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: Chad is the executive director, chief Strategy Officer, and chair 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: Center for Homeland Security and Immigration at the America First 14 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: Policy Institute. He previously served as Acting Secretary of the 15 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: US Department of Homeland Security during President Trump's first term. 16 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: He is the recipient of the U S Secretary of 17 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: Transportation nine eleven Medal, the US Secretary of Homeland Security 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: Distinguished Service Medal, and the National Intelligence Distinguished Service Medal. Chad, 19 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: welcome and thank you for joining me on newts World. 20 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 2: Well. I appreciate it speaker. Good to be with you. 21 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: I just have to ask you find it because you've 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: had such an extraordinary career already. Tell us briefly kind 23 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: of how you got here. 24 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: It's kind of a strange world. 25 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 3: I was on Capitol Hill, you know, working on Capitolhill 26 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 3: like any other staffer. On nine to eleven, we were 27 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 3: escorted out of the building as the Pentagon was hit 28 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 3: as jets flew overhead to intercept the flight that eventually 29 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 3: crashed in Pennsylvania. And that day really marked, I think 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 3: a defining moment in my career where I made a 31 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: decision that I wanted to do something, wanted to give back, 32 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 3: wanted to have service, and wanted to protect the homeland. 33 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 3: And so shortly after that, I joined the Transportation Security 34 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 3: Administration under President Bush. That was in two thousand and two. 35 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: Two thousand and three started the Department of Homeland Security, 36 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 3: so it was on the ground floor at the beginning 37 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 3: of a new department stand up, and that was impactful. 38 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: I stepped out of government service during the tenure of 39 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: President Obama, and then President Trump and his team asked 40 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: me to come back in seventeen. I spent all four 41 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 3: years there during the first Trump term different positions as 42 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: you indicated, including chief of staff of the department, and 43 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 3: then an assistant secretary and under secretary and then finally 44 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: an acting secretary. So have worn many different hats and 45 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: have gotten to see the different elements of homeland security 46 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 3: and the right way and the wrong way of how 47 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 3: you protect the homeland. 48 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: President Trump was doing such a tremendous job of gradually 49 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: getting the crossing the border under control. How did you 50 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: kind of feel looking at all the work you all 51 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: had put in for four years and gradually begun to succeed. 52 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: How did you feel about what happened with Biden and 53 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: the sudden explosion of people coming into the US. 54 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, frustrating. 55 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: I think that's probably the most accurate term I could say, 56 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: because I remember briefing Secretary of Mayorkas at that time 57 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: during the transition period, and during that time I told him, 58 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 3: I said, look, if you guys do half of what 59 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: President Biden campaigned on back in twenty you're going to 60 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 3: have a real problem. You're going to run out of money, 61 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: you're going to run out of detention space, You're going 62 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 3: to come into all of these different issues. 63 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happened. 64 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: It unfolded that way over the course of about six months, 65 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: and unfortunately, the American people had to suffer because of 66 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 3: those bad decisions, the wrong policy decisions, the wrong implementation. 67 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: And so, as someone who was at the Department for 68 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 3: four years, it was hard to sit back and watch 69 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: that because I understand what border patrol agents go through 70 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: each and every day, and to be under the gun 71 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: in the middle of a crisis for four years, it's 72 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 3: not fair to them. It's not fair to them that 73 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: their political leadership made those decisions and put them in 74 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 3: that place not to succeed. Unfortunately, to fail, and they 75 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 3: became the butt of everyone's joke. 76 00:03:58,440 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: They became the. 77 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: Hore of Congressional members very upset, and so I felt 78 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 3: for him. I felt for the Department and for those 79 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 3: border patrol and law enforcement agents. 80 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: When you look at all that President Trump had developed 81 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: a remain in Mexico policy and had gotten the Mexican 82 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: government to agree to it, and had really begun to 83 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: close down the southern border pretty dramatically, and Biden comes 84 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,799 Speaker 1: in and almost immediately throws out everything that was working. 85 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: Why do you think the left was so determined to 86 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: reopen the southern border. 87 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: Well, I think a couple of different ways to answer that. 88 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 3: One is anything that had President Trump's name on it. 89 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 3: They just wanted to get rid of it without any 90 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: type of an analysis, as you indicated, without really seeing 91 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 3: does it work and if it does work, maybe we 92 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 3: want to retain it, maybe we call it something else, right, 93 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: maybe we rebrand it. But if it works, let's keep 94 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: what it works. They didn't do that, They just decided 95 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 3: to throw it out. And then the second piece, which 96 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: I think is probably the most important, is I think 97 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 3: they have a different value set than most Americans and 98 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 3: certainly Republicans do, which is they believe that anyone showing 99 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: up at that border should be allowed in the United States, 100 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 3: almost for any reason. And that's not immigration law. But 101 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 3: they've been the law to allow that to occur. And 102 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 3: that's what we saw over three and a half almost 103 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 3: four years now. We saw an influx of individuals. We 104 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 3: saw them not adhering to the letter of the law, 105 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 3: not implementing the law, not enforcing the law, because they 106 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 3: have a view of what that should be, not how 107 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 3: the law is written, not what Congress said it should be. 108 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: But they have a sort of a utopian view of 109 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 3: what it should be and how the United States should 110 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 3: help anyone and everyone that wants to come to this country. 111 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 3: They believe that. They say that, And I'm a big 112 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: believer that you listen to the other side because they're 113 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: going to tell you exactly what they think, and you 114 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 3: take them at face value, and you repeat that to them, 115 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 3: and they set it over and over again that they 116 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 3: believe the United States is a beacon shining light on 117 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 3: the hill and that we should help anyone in everyone 118 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 3: coming into the United States. And that's fine, but that's 119 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: not how US immigration law is conceived, and it's not 120 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 3: how it works well. 121 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: And you know, Gallup Swirled poll asked the other year 122 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: how many people would like to come to the US, 123 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: and one hundred and sixty five million said yes. No, 124 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no way you can sustain that scale. 125 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: So if you did, with the left wanted and had 126 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: a truly open border, I mean, it would be basically 127 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: the destruction of the American system. 128 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right. 129 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 3: I just got off of a separate interview with a 130 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 3: UK outlet who was very upset that President Trump just 131 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 3: here in the last couple of days suspended the refugee 132 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: admissions program here in the United States, and I had 133 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 3: to remind them we've had ten million refugees come into 134 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 3: this country over the past four years. How much do 135 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 3: you expect the United States to sustain year after year 136 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 3: after year. And they just couldn't understand why we would 137 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 3: suspend that. And you've got to put it in the 138 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 3: context of what's occurred over these four years, what the 139 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 3: American people have been saddled with that they didn't sign 140 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 3: up for, and so it's absolutely prudent to put a 141 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 3: pause on it to assess where we are as a country, 142 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 3: to see what more that we can do. 143 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: I don't think I knew this until we were researching 144 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: for this podcast. You played a critical role in developing 145 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: the Transportation Security Administration after nine to eleven. What was 146 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: that experience? 147 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: Like, what was a startup as well? DHS was a startup. 148 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 3: TSA was a startup, and after nine to eleven, if 149 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 3: you recall airports before nine to eleven, you could walk 150 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: through some minimal amount of security. None of your bags 151 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: were really checked or x rayed. All the bags that 152 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: went in the belly of the aircraft were never examined, 153 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: and so to stand up TSA. To go from an 154 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 3: agency of zero to about sixty thousand. It's not the 155 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: best case and conservative ideology because you're growing government. But 156 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 3: at that point in time, right after nine to eleven, 157 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 3: there were serious aviation threats facing the homeland, and so 158 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 3: to stand up that agency and make sure that you're 159 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 3: screening everyone, you're protecting folks, and you allow the aviation 160 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: system to continue as it was shut down on nine 161 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 3: to eleven. It was a difficult task over twenty years, 162 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: perhaps into something that we didn't realize it would, as 163 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: government programs an agency often do. I think it's probably 164 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: a good time right now to take a look at it, 165 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 3: to see how it can be reformed and scaled back 166 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 3: a little bit. 167 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm one of those people who stands in 168 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: line over and over, but my sense is that it did, 169 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: in fact eliminate the airborne problems that have been developing 170 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: and made it possible for US to continue to have 171 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: a remarkably open system. 172 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: I think that's exactly right. 173 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 3: A lot of threats have been thwarted, not only by 174 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 3: US government intelligence agencies, but some of those threats have 175 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 3: been captured right there at those security checkpoints that you 176 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 3: all travel through each and every day, and I think 177 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 3: a big testament to TSA and the larger intel community 178 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 3: is there hasn't been really a big aviation security incident 179 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 3: over these last twenty years, and I think because of 180 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 3: a lot of the measures that have put in place 181 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 3: at TSA, but also the information sharing and kind of 182 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 3: the resurgence of the intelligence community post nine to eleven 183 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 3: as well. 184 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: Let me ask you a serious of executive order. I'd 185 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: like to start to go through one by one and 186 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: just have you comment and put it in context. First 187 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: executive order to establish a physical wall and other barriers, 188 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: monitored and supported by adequate personnel and technology. Seeing to me, 189 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: this was the core of how President Trump was going 190 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: to genuinely seal off the southern border, and the left 191 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: just went all out to try to stop it. How 192 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: do you see this new special Order? 193 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, they did go all out. 194 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: So at the end of the first Trump we had 195 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 3: built about four hundred and fifty miles a little over 196 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 3: than that, and we had another two hundred to two 197 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty ready to go. We had pre purchased 198 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 3: a lot of that material and a lot of that 199 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 3: material set on the desert floor over these last four years, 200 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 3: and in fact, the Biden administration started selling a lot 201 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 3: of those panels off for pennies on the dollar. So 202 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 3: instead of just allowing border patrol and the corp of 203 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 3: engineers to put that physical infrastructure up that the border 204 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 3: patrol agents desperately want in need, they didn't. 205 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: Do it because of political reasons. 206 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 3: So if you ever thought that the Biden administration played 207 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 3: politics with national security, this is a prime example. They 208 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 3: paid more money to have those panels watched and overseen 209 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 3: and then sold off. Had they just put them up, 210 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 3: we would actually save American taxpayers money and we would 211 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 3: have had that physical infrastructure up. 212 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: So that's neither here nor there. Where we are today 213 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: is we need. 214 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 3: Physical infrastructure in certain parts of that border. Certain areas 215 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 3: are very difficult to patrol, and so we need lights, cameras, roads. 216 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: We need the wall so that you can amplify and 217 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 3: that you can supplement border patrol agents time and resources. 218 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 3: We simply don't have enough agents for that entire border. 219 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 3: It needs to be a mix of both physical infrastructure 220 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 3: and technology. And that's why I continue to talk about 221 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 3: this as a border wall system, because it's more than 222 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 3: just that physical eighteen to thirty foot high wall, but 223 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 3: it's all the technology that comes with it. It allows 224 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: Border Patrol to have more capabilities than they've ever had before. 225 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: Are you pretty confident that President Trump will succeeding getting 226 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: it done this time? 227 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: I do. 228 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 3: I mean, again, he doesn't nearly have just as many 229 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 3: miles as we did the last term. 230 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of muscle memory left. 231 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 3: I think the CBP can do this quite quickly, and 232 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: I think they have some funding over these last several 233 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 3: years that they have not utilized that they can expend 234 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 3: pretty quickly. 235 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: One of the more controversial executive orders was the and 236 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: birthright citizenship for future children born to mothers who are 237 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: in the US unlawfully or temporarily unless the child's father 238 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: is here legally and permanently. That's clearly gonna be one 239 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: of the most controversial fights. I'm curious how you analyze it. 240 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so obviously. I think there's already been 241 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 3: lawsuits on this one. This will ultimately be decided in 242 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 3: the courts and ultimately the Supreme Court. I think President 243 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: Trump and his team, I think they did this carefully right. 244 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 3: They could have made a sweeping order that said, anyone 245 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 3: applies to this. What they really said is any illegal 246 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: alien coming to the United States. So anyone that decides, 247 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 3: as their first act to their new country they want 248 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 3: to break the law and then have a child, that 249 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 3: it shouldn't apply to this. I think it's important to 250 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 3: remember this was set in motion in the eighteen fifties 251 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 3: during the Civil War, so it had a very different 252 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 3: purpose then as it's being utilized now. For and I 253 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: think there's often a term in there that a lot 254 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: of people hang their hat on subject to the jurisdiction thereof, 255 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 3: And the question is are illegal alien subject to US jurisdiction? 256 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 3: And if they're not, then perhaps this doesn't apply to them. 257 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 3: And so I think there is some difference of opinion 258 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 3: upon legal scholars on how this is carefully crafted, this 259 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 3: order from the President, But I think the entire objective 260 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 3: of the Trump team was to get this into the 261 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 3: court system so that it could be adjudicated and it 262 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: could have some finality once and for all. 263 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: Interestingly, one of the executive orders says that federal agencies 264 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: should identify countries that do not provide sufficient information on 265 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: their nationals and would bar those nationals automatically. For interesting 266 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: that I say, is that really a big problem? Do 267 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: we have countries that just refuse to cooperate and identifying 268 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: the people coming. 269 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: Across Unfortunately, we do. We did this during the first 270 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: Trump administration. Some people called it the travel ban. I 271 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 3: think that was an inaccurate way to describe it. It 272 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: was actually travel restrictions. And so what we asked every 273 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 3: country to do, and hopefully they're repeating this process now, 274 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 3: is we asked every country to provide about thirty different 275 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 3: data sets to the United States government, things like do 276 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 3: you report lost and stolen passports to Interpol, things, so 277 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 3: that we understand that you have a good system to 278 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: determine who you're issuing visas to. And what we found 279 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 3: is that there was about six or seven countries at 280 00:13:58,240 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 3: that time now this is going all the way back 281 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 3: to two thousand nineteen that simply didn't provide any of 282 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 3: that to the United States government, had no interest into 283 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 3: it and basically told us to go pound sand And 284 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 3: so we put travel restrictions on the type of visitors, 285 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: the type of business leaders that could come to the 286 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 3: United States. As soon as you do that, you get 287 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: their attention pretty quickly because they don't believe that the 288 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 3: United States is actually going to back up their words 289 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 3: with actions. But what we saw under President Trump, he's 290 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 3: ready to do just that. And so my guess is 291 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 3: that a lot of these countries are paying attention now 292 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 3: that that new order came out and they know what 293 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 3: he did last time. Of course, the Biden administration dropped 294 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 3: all of that on day one, but this is the 295 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 3: idea of how do you protect Americans and so making 296 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 3: sure that countries that maybe don't have as good as 297 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 3: visa issuance and qualifications are stepping up their requirements because 298 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 3: we're requiring them to We're requiring them to do more 299 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 3: because this is about the security and safety of Americans. 300 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: Well, in a number of cases, from Venezuela, Mexico and 301 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: Ol Salvador, for example, we're having criminals just flood Yeah, 302 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: and if we knew that they'd been in jail back home, 303 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: we would understand why we were sending them back home 304 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: immediately and not letting them stay here. One of his 305 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: decisive actions was the executive order to send the military 306 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: to the border by declaring a national emergency. And your judgment, 307 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: do we actually need a military backup for the border 308 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: patrol in the current environment. 309 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 3: I think we do in the current environment because you've 310 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 3: got to think about who operates along that border, and 311 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 3: those are the cartels, which, as you know, have more 312 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 3: power and influence in arms and money and support down there, 313 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 3: and so that's what border patrol agents are often outgunned 314 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 3: and outmatched as they work along that border. So to 315 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 3: have some Department of Defense support down there, now the 316 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: National Guard has been down there for some time, you're 317 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: likely to see some more active duty folks down there. 318 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 3: And I think that does a couple of different things. One, 319 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 3: it's a little bit of a show of force. Is 320 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: sends a signal to the cartels that we're serious about 321 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 3: changing the dynamics along that border. I think if we 322 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 3: continue just to do what we've always done and just 323 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 3: how border patrol do what they can, they continue to 324 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: be outmatched and overwhelmed by the cartels. So declaring the 325 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 3: national emergency, freeing up DoD resources, you can do that 326 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 3: a variety of different ways. You can do that through assets, 327 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 3: through technology, or through manpower. And my guess is the 328 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 3: Trump team they're going to do all three of those things. 329 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 3: It sends a signal to Mexico. It sends a signal 330 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 3: to around the world that we're not going to treat 331 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 3: that border the way that we have been over these 332 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 3: last four years. And then of course they can scale 333 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 3: that as they need that, they can surge them in 334 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 3: and then scale it back over time, and then surge 335 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 3: it back if they need to. 336 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: Relating to that is this whole question that the President 337 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: has signed and executive order designating the cartels and migrant 338 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: gangs like the Salvadore and MS thirteen and the Venezuela 339 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: and Train the Aragua as far in terrorist organizations. How 340 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: will we deal with them differently now that we're defining 341 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: them as terrorist organizations. 342 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, So that designation gets you more authorities. It gets 343 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: you more authorities to arrest, to detain, and to prosecute. 344 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 2: These individuals. You can go after. 345 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 3: I'm outside of the US, you can go after what 346 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 3: I would say are middlemen, right, these are folks that 347 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: maybe do business. 348 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 2: With the cartels. 349 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 3: Gives you more ability to go after and prosecute those individuals. 350 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 3: It also gives you, which is an interesting byproduct, It 351 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 3: gives you more grounds on end admissibility of individuals and 352 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 3: illegal aliens coming into the US, because if they are 353 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 3: paying the cartels, they are now supporting a foreign terrorist organization, 354 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 3: and it gives the United States government more of the 355 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 3: ability to say, no, you can't come into the United States. 356 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: If you're supporting by paying an entry fee to the 357 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 3: cartels to come into the United States, then you're supporting 358 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 3: a foreign terrorist organization, and that's problematic as well. So 359 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: it provides a number of different authorities. My guess is 360 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 3: that it's also changing the political dynamic. Mexico doesn't want 361 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 3: this designation, right. They don't want it for a variety 362 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 3: of reasons to it, not the least of which tourism 363 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 3: is a big part of their economy. And if you 364 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 3: have an FTO designation, that's problematic for you. 365 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: Don't we somehow have to find a way to have 366 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: an alliance with the Mexican government to decisively and totally 367 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: destroy the cartels. They're virtually on alternative government. 368 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you do, and we saw this. 369 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 3: We were able to effectively partner with the Colombian authorities 370 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 3: in the eighties against the cartels there and others. The 371 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: key there is that the Colombian government wanted our help, 372 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 3: asked us to come in, right now we don't have 373 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 3: a partner in the Mexican government, but I think if 374 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 3: anyone can change their mind, that's going to be President Trump. 375 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 3: He's going to put restrictions, He's going to make it 376 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 3: uncomfortable for them. We've already hearing about potential tariffs if 377 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 3: they don't stop some of the fentanyl and the human 378 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 3: trafficking coming across that border. So I think the Mexican 379 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 3: government has got its challenges. They're compromised in many ways 380 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 3: on this issue, but they can be doing a lot more. 381 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 3: And the question is how far are we willing to push? 382 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 3: How far is our new Secretary of State willing to 383 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 3: push them to do more? 384 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 2: On behalf of the American people. 385 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: That's going to be the key, and I think, frankly 386 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: on bad for the Mexican people. 387 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: It's a good point as well. 388 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: Yep, some of these groups are really terrible. I did 389 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: notice that the President also I indicated that he's going 390 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: to halt all refugee status until the policies were rethought 391 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: and realigned. I mean, haven't Biden just grotesquely misused refugee status. 392 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, we just have to look at the people coming 393 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 3: across that border. We call them asylum seekers. But we're 394 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 3: almost the only country in the world that differentiates refugees 395 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 3: and assils. 396 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 2: They're the same. 397 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 3: They're showing up, they're asking for the same protections under 398 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 3: US law, and so they should be treated the same. 399 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 3: And so when you have ten million refugees coming into 400 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 3: your country over these last. 401 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 2: Four years, that's astronomically high. 402 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 3: Now, the Biden administration not only did that, but also 403 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 3: administered a refugee admissions program from overseas as well, and 404 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 3: so you had more and more individuals coming into the country. 405 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 2: If you remember, after the. 406 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 3: Fall of Kabul, we allowed six hundred thousand Afghans to 407 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 3: come into the country who weren't vetted, who didn't go 408 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 3: through that refugee admissions program. Instead, we just brought them 409 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 3: in and say, oh, we'll vet them after they get here. 410 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: And then, of course we've ran into problems. 411 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 3: And so what the president and his team are saying is, 412 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 3: let's pause the program, Let's try to shut down the border, 413 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 3: Let's try to get a sense of who's come into 414 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 3: the border, where they are, and how do we remove them. 415 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 2: We're going to pause that. 416 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: He's going to get a report from his DHS secretary 417 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 3: his Secretary of State on some recommendations in about sixty 418 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 3: or ninety days on should they restart the program and 419 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 3: if they should, what are the restrictions that they should 420 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 3: have on it. 421 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: One things I was fascinated by is the people on 422 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: the hard left who want to turn cities into sanctuaries 423 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: or in one or two cases actually states, which has 424 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: always struck me a as crazy because they have enough crime 425 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: in their city that they should kind of like to 426 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: have extra criminals. My sense is that the president's initial step, 427 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: which is to restrict federal funds from sanctuary cities, I 428 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: heard the head of the program on immigration say, conceivably 429 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: you go after them legally for a construction of justice. 430 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: When you think about how much these cities rely on 431 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: the federal government for money, isn't that probably going to 432 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: be a decisive impact that will force them to back down? 433 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: Well, it should be. You're exactly right. 434 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 3: A lot of these cities, blue cities with blue mayors 435 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: and blue governors, receive an astronomically high amount of money 436 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 3: and resources from the federal government DHS alone, right, a 437 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 3: lot of these cities get home land security grants, get 438 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: transit grants. Then you go over to the Department of 439 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 3: Justice and they'll give them grants as well. And while 440 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 3: at the same time, these cities and states are saying, no, 441 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 3: we won't cooperate with ice law enforcement officers, Well, that's crazy. 442 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 3: We should condition some of this money on that cooperation. 443 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 3: And if it's not allowed under your current law, well 444 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 3: then President Trump luckily has a Republican Congress to work 445 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 3: with to change some of those grant programs to say 446 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 3: that you can put some conditions on that. We're not 447 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 3: asking them to save the world. We're simply asking them 448 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 3: to cooperate with federal law enforcement. They can't take money. 449 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 3: And at the same time say we're not going to 450 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 3: help you do a job that Congress has told you 451 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 3: to do. Congress has directed you to remove individuals from 452 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 3: the country. But you know what, we just don't like that. 453 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 3: So we're going to tell our law enforcement not to 454 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 3: help you, but please keep sending us grant money. It 455 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 3: just doesn't make any sense. So I think the team's 456 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 3: going to take a hard look at that. 457 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: I think that's really good, and I think frankly, the 458 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: virtue all going to back down. One of the things 459 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: that I didn't really know about this, and it's interesting. 460 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: It's the presidential and executive order that will require immigrants 461 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: unlawfully the United States to register and be finger printed. 462 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: I guess that hadn't occurred to me. Don't we automatically, 463 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: for example, if we pick somebody up who's illegal, don't 464 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: we automatically fingerprint them? 465 00:22:59,400 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: Well, we do. 466 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 3: What we've seen over these last four years is a 467 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 3: lot of those corners were cut, so a lot of 468 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 3: the fingerprints probably weren't taken. And so I think what 469 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 3: this order is trying to do to say, regardless of 470 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 3: the amount of people, regardless of the amount of folks 471 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 3: coming into the country, the first step, like the basic step, 472 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 3: is to fingerprint these folks and make sure that we 473 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 3: understand who they are. Now, the question becomes, when you 474 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 3: take that fingerprint and you start vetting them, what are 475 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 3: you vetting them against? And I think you alluded to 476 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 3: this earlier. It's hard to vet someone if they're from Venezuela. 477 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 3: It's hard to vet someone if they're from Tajikistan. It's 478 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 3: hard to vet someone if their home countries aren't providing 479 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 3: information in which to peing them off of, in which 480 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 3: to vet their information off of. 481 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 2: So your vetting is only as good as the information 482 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 2: that you're vetting against. 483 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 3: In most cases, we're able to do that because we 484 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 3: have great agreements with a variety of different countries. But 485 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 3: there are some where it's very difficult to determine if 486 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 3: this individual is a threat or not. And so I 487 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 3: think that's the genesis of this order. They want to 488 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 3: collect more information and they want to make sure that 489 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,479 Speaker 3: they understand who's coming into the country. 490 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 2: So it just. 491 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: Strusts me in the modern era that you can use 492 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: a lot of technology to regain control of your own 493 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: country from people who shouldn't be here. One of his 494 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: executive orders ends the CBP one program. What is the 495 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: CBP one program. 496 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 3: This is something that the Biden administration came up with 497 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 3: about two years ago, and they said, we're really tired 498 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 3: of thousands and millions of individuals coming across that border illegally. 499 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 3: The numbers are out of control, the press is out 500 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 3: of control. Everyone thinks for doing a terrible job. So 501 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 3: they said, well, let's come up with a program that 502 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 3: someone can get on their smartphone. They can get on 503 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 3: an app that we created, they can register to come 504 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 3: through a port of entry, and then we'll release them 505 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 3: into the country, and we'll call that a legal pathway. 506 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 3: We won't ask them if they're seeking asylum because we 507 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 3: don't care. We're just going to parole them into the country. 508 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 3: They can seek asylum later, that matter does, but at 509 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 3: least we get them into the country quote unquote, I'm 510 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 3: using air quotes. Legally, it's all a farce. It's been 511 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 3: a farce for two years now. And what the incoming 512 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 3: team said is, no, that's ridiculous. We've never done this. 513 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 3: We've never allowed people to register on an app that's hackable, 514 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 3: that you can clearly manipulate, and allow them to come 515 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 3: into the country with very little vetting. You're supposed to 516 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 3: have people that sponsor you into the country. Of course, 517 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 3: what we're seeing from a Inspector general's report is there's 518 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:27,959 Speaker 3: one address. 519 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 2: You sponsoring fifty people. Right. 520 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 3: So it's been badly abused and so the Trump administration 521 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 3: did the right thing. They ended that I think at 522 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 3: twelve oh one pm, a minute into their tenure, and 523 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 3: it was the right thing to do. 524 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: As you know, there's been a lot of talk about 525 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: the first big wave being raised in Chicago. Do you 526 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: think that's real and is that going to be an 527 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: effective device for going after criminals. 528 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 2: We call them targeted enforcement actions. They're not raids. 529 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 3: Raids I think conjure up images that ICE is going 530 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 3: to go neighborhood by neighborhooding down doors looking for illegal aliens. 531 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 3: That's not how they actually apprehend individuals. They target criminal 532 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 3: aliens that are in communities and they will go and 533 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 3: they will pick them up. Tom Homan, I think, just 534 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 3: today said that those enforcement operations are happening all over 535 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 3: the country, as. 536 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 2: They should be. 537 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 3: This is what ICE does day in and day out. 538 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 3: They target, they apprehend, and they remove individuals. And so 539 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 3: I think what they haven't been doing, though, over the 540 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 3: last four years, has been doing that, right, They've just 541 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 3: been sitting on their hands sort of handcuffed, i should say, 542 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 3: by policies of the Biden administration. So essentially what Tom 543 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 3: Homan and President Trump and others are doing is just 544 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 3: let them do their job. And just by letting them 545 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 3: do their job, you're going to see more enforcement. You're 546 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: going to see more deportations or removals, and you're going 547 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 3: to see more actions across the country. The best enforcement 548 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 3: actions are the ones that you never hear about, or 549 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 3: at least the ones you don't hear about until. 550 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: After it occurs. 551 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 3: Is for the protection of the law enforcement officer and 552 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 3: the alien as well. 553 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: We've seen all sorts of use of money, both local 554 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: and federal money, for example, putting illegal immigrants up in hotels. 555 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: Given the president's executive order to cut off payment for 556 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: legal immigrants, do you think that will also apply to 557 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: cutting off payment for the city governments and their various programs. 558 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 2: Well, it certainly could be. 559 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 3: I think some of that is federal money, a lot 560 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 3: of that is state and local funding as well. But 561 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 3: the argument that I hear lately is it is going 562 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 3: to be so expensive to remove these individuals from American communities. 563 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 3: And my response to that is, we've paid probably fifty 564 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 3: billion with a B or more over these last four 565 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 3: years to facilitate the largest influx of illegal aliens into 566 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 3: our country, to house them, to bust them, to fly 567 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 3: them around the country. Now, I think the American people 568 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 3: spoke on November fifth to say we've had enough of that. 569 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 3: We actually want them removed from the country. We want 570 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 3: criminal aliens removed from our communities. So if we use 571 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 3: that funding or a fraction of that funding to actually 572 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 3: remove criminal aliens. I think that's what the American people want. 573 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 3: It's also very difficult to put a price on protecting 574 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 3: your communities so that people like Rachel Morin, Nungerray and 575 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 3: others are not brutally murdered and taken away from their families. 576 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 3: I think that's what the American people want. The federal 577 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 3: government to spend money on. Some of these local governments, 578 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 3: the Blue States, Blue cities. 579 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: They're going to have to come around to that. They're 580 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: still not on board. 581 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 3: They still want to be that sanctuary, and I think 582 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 3: they're going to find that their citizens are going to 583 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 3: get tired of having local ice removal officers and others 584 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 3: come into their communities. Instead, you should have ice officers 585 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 3: going into their jails and picking up criminals and deporting 586 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 3: them and making it very seamless. 587 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: They would never know they're there. 588 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 3: But instead they're having to go into communities, and that's 589 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 3: unfortunately the way it's got to be now. 590 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: I do notice that the President has signed an executive 591 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: order to deny public benefits to unauthorized immigrants. That will 592 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: be a very dramatic change if they can implement it. 593 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 3: I think so we did it during the first Trump administration. 594 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: It was a variety of different things, but the biggest 595 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 3: one probably the most noticeable one, who's a public health 596 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 3: charge or public charge rule that said, you know, you 597 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 3: don't get access to certain public benefits if you can't 598 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 3: sustain yourself, or if you don't have a sponsor that 599 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 3: is obviously sponsoring you and can sustain you. So the 600 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 3: whole idea is, we don't want to let people in 601 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 3: that just become a burden to the American people and 602 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 3: that are obviously have to go on welfare and taxpayer money. 603 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 3: So we want to make sure that those that are 604 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 3: coming in do not become a public charge. And I 605 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 3: think the incoming team has some history with it during 606 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 3: the first term, so I think they've got some ideas 607 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 3: on how to do that. 608 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: Lastly, President is reinstating the Remain in Mexico policy. Do 609 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: you have any doubt about his ability to convince the 610 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: new Mexican president that she really wants to do this? 611 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have little doubt. The question is just how 612 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 3: quickly is it going to happen. This is such a 613 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 3: good program for a variety of reasons. What it essentially 614 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 3: tries to do is you know eighty five percent of 615 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 3: folks claiming asylum will never receive a asylum protections because 616 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,239 Speaker 3: they never qualify for it. And so the idea of 617 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 3: this program is, let's get that fifteen percent of protections 618 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 3: they need under US law quickly, not five years from now, 619 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 3: but maybe five weeks from now. And what it does 620 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 3: is it weeds out all the fraud and the abuse 621 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 3: in the program. Because if you want to come to 622 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 3: the US and you know that you're just using the 623 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,719 Speaker 3: asylum system to get in, but I'm going to make 624 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 3: you wait in Mexico only for you to be denied 625 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 3: asylum five six weeks later, you have no interest in 626 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 3: doing that. That's not your end goal, right, And so 627 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 3: we call their bluff a little bit. Now, if you 628 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 3: truly need asylum protections, if your government is truly persecuting you, 629 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 3: you have no problem waiting, right because you know that 630 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 3: your claim is valid. You've been told by an NGO 631 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 3: it's valid. Right, it's been validated. You're going to wait 632 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 3: and you're going to get the protections that you need. 633 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 3: So I think it's a great program. 634 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: Listen, First of all, let me say how impressed I 635 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: am that I could throw every question at you, and 636 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: you actually understood it, and it shows that your years 637 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: of effort, your years of work, more than paid off. 638 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: I want to thank you for joining me. Your experience 639 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: at Homeland Security, the team that you currently lead at 640 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: America First Policy Institute are very helpful to President Trump. 641 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest differences between the first 642 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: and second Trump term is the work that the America 643 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: First Policy Institute did over four years to really create 644 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: the opportunity to have this kind of extraordinarily fast effort, 645 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: which is frankly amazing. You're a big part of that, 646 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: and you're a big part of making the America First 647 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: Policy Institute so successful. Our listeners can learn more about 648 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: AFPI than the work you and others are doing by 649 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: visiting your website at America Firstpolicy dot com. And I 650 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: really appreciate you taking the time to talk to us well. 651 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. 652 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 3: It's always great to see you, and I appreciate the 653 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 3: shout out at America First Policy. 654 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 2: We're very excited. 655 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 3: We're very proud of the work that we've done over 656 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 3: these last three and a half years, but we're also 657 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 3: very excited about what we're going to do over these 658 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 3: next four years with an America First administration and power. 659 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: Look, I think AFPI will become even more important. 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