1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: The Homes over the middle Passcort Kelsey touch draft, He's 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: got another touchdown, Kelsey looking for his third, he get 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: touched off and zold he's got another four on the 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: night Car Adams down field, he's got a touchdown Las Vegas. 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: The hand to Jacobs and he's no simnal. They didn't 6 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: get it, and the Chiefs still lead by one. Car 7 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: receiver falls down, there are no flags and the Chiefs 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: will take over. And when this came there a Raiders fan, 9 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta laugh just to stop from crying. Hunter 10 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: Renfro and Davante Adams run into each other on the 11 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: final offensive play for the Raiders of the game was 12 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: fourth and one. The chief come away with the victory 13 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: thirty to twenty nine. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm year in 14 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: the NFL media newsroom, annoying the hell out of people 15 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: still working here tonight, but our studio isn't working and 16 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: I'm glad joining me remotely Steve Palazolo from PFF, the 17 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: host of the PF podcast and uh, the tallest man 18 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: I know. Steve, Welcome to the show. We got a 19 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: good game to talk about. Oh yeah, fantastic appreciated. Greg 20 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: always Uh, you're you're like a legend on our podcast. 21 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: So always always good too. I wish you did. You 22 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 1: did throw my name out there a couple of times, 23 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: just in terms of my geno love. I guess the 24 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: Gino thing has been great for the brand. I also 25 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: pointed out before this week that Travis Kelsey would do 26 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: something good this week. I was really out on a 27 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: limb and it happened in this game. Uh, four touchdowns. 28 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: You're on the East coast, Steve, so you know you're 29 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, which is a special place for hear us 30 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: on the podcast. So I don't want to keep you 31 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: up too late. Let's get to it. Let's start at 32 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: the end with that last sequence of plays for the Raiders. 33 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: They get the ball back with a little over two 34 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: minutes ago, down by one point, I think around the 35 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: ten yard line. All they need is to set up 36 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: a field goal to go win. They get into a 37 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: third and one situation still with plenty of time incomplete 38 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: the Davante Adams he can't get his feet and bounds 39 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: before he uh you know, brings the ball in really 40 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: on him and then fourth in one, Like, what did 41 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: you think of that ending sequence? What did you think 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: of the play calls, like, what are you thinking. I 43 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: don't even know. I don't know how you guys record, 44 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: like right after a game, because I need to digest all, 45 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: especially this type of game. But I thought when they 46 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: went under center, I was thinking quick QB. There had 47 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: no time out. I was thinking quick QB, sneak and 48 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: then run up and spike it. Maybe run up, you know, 49 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: grab a play because you're really only looking for ten 50 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: to fifteen yards. And then the Raiders, they pulled out 51 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: the first play with their first fourth and one play, 52 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: they say, hey, it worked in the first quarter, let's 53 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: do it here and let's go for the whole thing. 54 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: They didn't need to hit a home run, but they 55 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: went for it. That part that parts risky, I mean, 56 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: especially with Daniel carl Carlson. Like if you're the Chiefs 57 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: with your uneven kicker situation, I think you're playing it differently. 58 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: But the way Carlson's kicking the ball, man, I don't know. 59 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: I would have just try to pick up that first down. 60 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: But hey, I like the Rangers aggressive this overall. I 61 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: liked them and them being aggressive. You're absolutely right, we'll 62 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: get to that is one of the reasons they were 63 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: in this game, and I liked being aggressive on third 64 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: and one. You know, I'm watching the game, thinking, oh, 65 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: this is a great spot. They just set up a 66 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: second and one after a nice throw to Renfro. At 67 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: that point, there's fifty one seconds left, and that's a 68 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: nice play to take a shot. You might get more 69 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: favorable coverage on that third down, and they did. Davante 70 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: Adams smokes his receiver car gives him a beautiful ball, 71 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: and and that's what's the killer thing. Sometimes it's like, 72 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: as a fan or as just an analyst, you like 73 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: want someone to blame, but it's stupid. I mean, it 74 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: was a perfect play called. Adams makes that catch cleanly 75 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: on the sidelines most of the time, and they would 76 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: have been field goal range right there. But when you 77 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: get to fourth and one, to me, we've seen this 78 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: all over the NFL, and Andy Reid does it successfully, 79 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: It's like no one wants to run on fourth and one. 80 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: But this was a great Josh Jacob's game, and I 81 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: was just hoping, you know, just having j Jacob's all 82 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: night hand the ball off the dush Jacobs get the 83 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: first down and then on your way. You still have 84 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: about forty seconds to go, they did have enough time 85 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: to run the ball. And I really think every team 86 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: we saw the Eagles, you know, with the million QB sneaks, 87 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: We've seen Jacoby Brissett become a QB sneak specialist when 88 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: he's the backup and and just as much as a starter. 89 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: I think every team should have the QB sneak package 90 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: and then a lot of what the Patriots have done 91 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: through the years, where it's like, all right, if they 92 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: do stack to a gaps, you get that little outside 93 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: zone run where you're you're just out gaping, like you 94 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: should be able to out gap the defense with a 95 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: QB sneak run left, run right on every single fourth 96 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: and one now fourth and you know, a long wall 97 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: and you could have done a hurry up. The Eagles 98 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: did a great job doing that on Sunday. Yeah, look, 99 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: I mean it. I joke that, like you could just 100 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: call better place. It's easy when we're sitting watching, but 101 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: there there are probably like is there going to be 102 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: an advantage at some point in the NFL if teams 103 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: are going for it on fourth down this much? Can 104 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: some teams just be better in those situations? Will Will 105 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: they just always can they find a schematic advantage, Can 106 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: they find something that will raise them because we always 107 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: talk about the percentages of if you go for it 108 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: and what's gonna happen if you get it if you don't, 109 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: But what if you could increase your odds just a 110 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: little bit when you go for it? And I think 111 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: that's what I don't know if there's an edge there. 112 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: It's it's kind of like, let's be good in the 113 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: red zone, right, It's like running the ball basically, and 114 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: I think a lot of teams are doing that this year, 115 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: the teams that are are finding advantages. It was such 116 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: a heartbreaking way to lose, though, because to back up 117 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: a minute, that the Raiders had a seventeen nothing lead 118 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: in this game, uh they give it up the chart, 119 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: they go for a two point conversion down uh or 120 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: down thirty to nine with four to go, a decision 121 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: I really liked for a lot of reasons. They didn't 122 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: get it, so they're down one point, but they actually 123 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: get the ball back. And I just the way this 124 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: Raiders season has gone with some brootal losses. All four 125 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: of their losses have been close that the Cardinals loss 126 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: in this loss were crazy It just felt sometimes like 127 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: you gotta know what you're good at. And man, they've really, 128 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: i think developed already into a pretty good run blocking 129 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: team despite having a ragtag group of blockers. They were 130 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: putting six offensive linemen on the field tonight and they 131 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: were running the ball really well. Josh Jacobs ends up 132 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: with a hundred and fifty four in the ground, thirty 133 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: nine through the air. He's awesome, and they went away 134 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: from at the last second and they don't get that 135 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: win an arrowhead. That just felt like it was there, 136 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: like this is their their white whale is beating Patrick Mahomes. 137 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: If you're Derek Carr and now he's lost eight of 138 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: nine career games too. I mean, isn't it. You just 139 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: need everything to go right to beat the Chiefs. I mean, 140 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: you look at the start that the Raiders had, being 141 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: up seventeen. Nothing like you said. It felt like Josh 142 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: McDaniels dusted off the two thousand eighteen a f C Championship. 143 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: It was a different team, but it was against the Chiefs. Right, um, 144 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: having a fullback running power running play action off of 145 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: You've got the same fullback, the same idea, except you 146 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: threw an extra offensive lineman in there, and again you've 147 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: got that early aggressiveness. They go forward at fourth and one, 148 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: hit the bomb to Davante Adams for a fifty eight 149 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: yard or But everything has to go right against the Chiefs. 150 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: You go from, hey, we're running the ball, we're hitting 151 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: some big plays, we're rushing the Mahomes and pressuring him, 152 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: and still didn't matter. They still find a way the 153 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: Chiefs to to, you know, just ad just enough and 154 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: just be special enough between Mahomes and Kelsey and some 155 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: of their other guys, and they well, they shortened the 156 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: game too. Like the I never buy into the shortened 157 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: the game thing unless you're really works well, unless you're 158 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: really in year ear, and it's sort of like a 159 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: way that like, if you don't have a lot of talent, 160 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: I like the idea of having Don Martindale as your 161 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator because you're almost like a college team trying 162 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: to scheme above your talent level. Shortening the game is 163 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: sort of a different way to do that. But even 164 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: though they shortened this game, there's only about eight or 165 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: nine possessions for for each team. Their defense stopped getting 166 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: stops after the first three possessions. The Chiefs until that 167 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: final punt went touchdown, field goal, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. So yes, 168 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: you had shortened the game, but the Chiefs still ended 169 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: up with way more plays, uh, and they still ended 170 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: up with thirty points despite having only eight or nine possessions. 171 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: And that's why I want The next thing I want 172 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: to ask is just like, kind of where you see 173 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: Mahomes in this offense right now, because there was a 174 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: period of this game where he felt like he could 175 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: do anything. He's really doing a good job moving outside 176 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: the pocket when he needs to staying inside it. He 177 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: picked up rushing yards when he moved. It seems like 178 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: the game is moving very slow for and at a 179 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: certain point in this game, it felt like he could 180 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: do just about anything and that they weren't going to 181 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: get any more stops. And that felt like last week. 182 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: It felt like Week one. It felt like the Chiefs 183 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: of Yeah, I mean, the big question coming into the 184 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: season was how how much are they gonna miss Tyreek Hill? 185 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: Because we've seen I mean, Tyreek Hill is still a 186 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: special player. But one of the questions on top of 187 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: that was wasn't going to change the way Mahomes played? 188 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: Was he going to rely less on the two guys, 189 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: and we see that right, it's Velde one drive, it's 190 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: Velde scantling. You see Juju, you see uh Mikole Hardman 191 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: and Kelsea's obviously the guy at all points, you know, 192 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: like Aikman was saying, whether it's zoned, whether it's man, 193 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter, like that guy can get open. 194 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: There was a point where the Raiders not in the 195 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: red zone, mind you, but there was a point in 196 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: the Raiders on third and fifteen put two guys on 197 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey. Third and fifteen, they got Cleveland Ferrell trying 198 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: to press him at the line with another defender there. 199 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: Of course it's illegal hands to the face. So that's 200 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: a great play to point out. Not only did they 201 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: have to analyze Kelsey to take him out of the play, 202 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: but they hit that third and fifteen with like the 203 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: hit was that the ridiculous Was that a kind of 204 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: the side arm up the middle. I'm losing track of 205 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: the ridiculous Mahomes plays in this game, but that was 206 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: the thing. Even when they would get sacks and penalties 207 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: against them, they were getting out of the long yardage situations, 208 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: which is very chief seat. Yeah, I mean if you're 209 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: if you're a Raiders fan, anytime you're going up against Mahomes, 210 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: it's like you're you're looking for any kind of win. 211 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: Oh you got, you finally got a sack. I mean, 212 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: there's nobody in the NFL better at avoiding sacks than 213 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. Now he invites pressure himself, but he knows 214 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: how to maneuver the pocket. He knows how to get 215 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: out of the pocket. I think with the way you 216 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: described it was great. Any time an edge defender will stunt, 217 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: he'll get outside the pocket. Right. He's just got a 218 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: such good feel spatial awareness, which and and I like 219 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: the fact that he spread on the ball around and 220 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: he's not just it's not a three man game anymore. 221 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: There's Kelsey who's your go to. But you got these 222 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: other guys ma Homes doing a great job throwing the 223 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: ball accurately, and he he was unstoppable in the middle 224 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: of that game. I mean, Kelsey had the fourth the 225 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: fewest yardag in this game. He had a truly amazing 226 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: stat line. Seven catches, twenty five yards, four touchdowns, two 227 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: of those were one yard touchdowns. This was the Bubba 228 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: Franks special. I don't know if you remember, like there 229 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: was a time in fantasy football where Bubba Franks would 230 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: get drafted maybe ninth, even though you knew he wasn't 231 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: going over two hundred yards on the season, because two 232 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: hundred yards and like eight touchdowns was good enough for 233 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: to be the ninth best tight end in like two 234 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: thousand and six. I don't I don't want to hijack 235 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: you with fantasy talk, but I did have Josh Jacobs, 236 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey, and Davante Adams tonight. I wasn't even watching 237 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: the score. I was like on down like fifty going 238 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: into the game. I ended up winning by sixty or whatever. 239 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: It was, So hey, big game for all those guys. 240 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: That's a good job by you. I think you should 241 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: mention it. I I mentioned on the podcast. We'll get 242 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: to that a little later, um, that I expected something 243 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: special at Travis Kelsey was so on a limb. I 244 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: do want to mention for listeners, um, because I think 245 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: Dan's mentioned it on the show. We're gonna get down 246 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: to breaking down this game a little more. This game 247 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: sometimes on these Monday nights, is only so much to 248 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: talk about. I can talk about this game for a 249 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: long time, but I do want to point out right 250 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: now we have the biggest gap um in height in 251 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: terms of an NFL podcast in history. You were listed 252 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: on your baseball reference page, and so I'm going by 253 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: the facts. I don't know if this is right. At 254 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: six ten you were a minor league um relief pitcher. 255 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: Made it up to triple A. I'm five six if 256 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: you round up. I know your co host on PFF says, 257 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: like everyone thinks he's like this little midget um because 258 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: he's always next to you. And when he says that, 259 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: it hurts my feelings because I am that little midget, 260 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: you know, I really am that short. So the two 261 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: of us together, it would be unstoppable. Yeah, we gotta 262 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: do these. Uh, we gotta get in person here at 263 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: the combine and really, you know, really make you the 264 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: record official for sure? Is it an annoying to you 265 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: that just like it doesn't help you at all in 266 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: this format that it's the it's a great equalizer, like, um, 267 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: your height is doing nothing for you right now, just 268 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: sitting here on my chair, you know, I know, the 269 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: one like this isn't even your job. You're up at 270 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: midnight right now helping me out. What did you think 271 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: of the Andy Reid punt fourth and three, Uh, three 272 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: minutes to go. I believe I'm going to get the 273 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: exact time right here. It was, uh, fourth and three. 274 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: They had just set up a second and three. Felt 275 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: like the game was about to end. Steve Uh. The 276 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: Raiders take their second time out. At that point, it's 277 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: to forty. The Raiders hadn't had a stop in forever. Um. 278 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: Andy Reid, being the genius that he is, like breaks 279 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: out his sky More package with the game on the line, 280 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: like out of nowhere. He just has different sky More 281 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: swing passes that are working like a charm to get 282 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: eight yards at a time. Edwards Hilaire's the ball, Well, 283 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: they basically need three yards in the game is almost over, 284 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: but Devon Dieblo makes a great tackle on second down 285 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: and then they go for a deep shot to McCole Hardman, 286 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: which hasn't worked all all season. Hardman never seems to 287 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: run the right routes. I like to blame him, not 288 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: mahomes Uh. And they at that point have two minutes 289 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: in thirty six seconds left at the Vaguas forty six. 290 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: So we've seen a lot of aggressive fourth down cause lately, 291 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: Uh Andy Reid chooses to punt there. What did you think? 292 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: I didn't hate the punts on fourth and three. I 293 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: I saw some model. I don't know what the PF 294 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: model would have had. I don't have it up during 295 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: the game. I'm not that into it, but I saw 296 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: some models that had like a strong, strong go for 297 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: the Chiefs. I don't know if it's that strong, but look, 298 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: the models basically factor in how easy it is to 299 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: move the ball thirty or forty yards in today's NFL. 300 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: Now maybe this year offense is down a little bit, 301 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: maybe it's a little bit more difficult, but it factors 302 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: in being able to move the ball. So that's why, Well, 303 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: it's funny they actually got back to that exact yard 304 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: line that's where they stopped. Was they get back there 305 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: with fifty one seconds to go, which is not really 306 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: a trade off you would want if you're a Chiefs fan. No, 307 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: you wouldn't. I mean that, that's that's the thing, right, 308 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: Like nobody I know Brandon Staley went for it yesterday 309 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: and it was fourth and one and a half to 310 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: whatever it was. I'm intrigued by that though, right you 311 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: are one play away from winning. This was the New 312 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: England Patriots two thousand nine, Bill Belichick against Peyton Manning, 313 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: and the explanation was, we were afraid of Peyton Manning. Right, 314 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: we haven't stopped him all day. But I really think 315 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: there's there's something attractive about being one play away from victory, right, 316 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: Like I think people under rate being one play away 317 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: from the win versus ten to fifteen plays to, you know, 318 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: to steal the win. Yeah, And it wasn't surprising either 319 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: because as as aggressive as Andy Reid is and coming 320 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: up with all these plays in the red zone, and 321 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: they did a great job. Like sometimes I just want 322 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: them to run the ball up the middle on a 323 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: one yard run because that's a percentage play too, and 324 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: you should you need to be good at that at 325 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: some point in the NFL season, And yet tonight they 326 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: absolutely refused to and they made the right call every 327 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: time they like I had a wide open receiver. So 328 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: it's it's hard to really blame me and to read, 329 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: but fundamentally he's kind of conservative. He's still an old 330 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: school coach, even though he's aggressive in terms of his 331 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: play call. It didn't surprise me that he punted there, 332 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: and it didn't surprise me that the Raiders got back 333 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: in position. Davante Adams ends up with a weird stat 334 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: line two three two touchdowns and he drew two long 335 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: pass interferences. Steve Spagnolo like came out aggressive. It was 336 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: not working, But when it came down to Steve on 337 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: that final fourth down play, that kind of the thing 338 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: thing I love about Spags. It's like how many rushers 339 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: did he send there? It was at least six, it 340 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: might have been seven, So I don't know, like if 341 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: a run up the middle would have worked there either, 342 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: there was a lot of bodies coming, like if you 343 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: had like like it sounds great, yeah, run it up 344 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: the middle, like a toss to the left would have 345 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: maybe won the Madden play and you end up running 346 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: thirty yards down the sideline. But like, this isn't madded. 347 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: You don't you don't get to find out what the 348 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: call is ahead of time. But that was very andy 349 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: read all night and very Steve Spagnola. Yeah, I don't 350 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: know if it was I don't know if he was 351 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: trying to blitz, you know, for the past. I really 352 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: think it looks like guys were creeping to to take 353 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: away the QB sneak to take away the you know, 354 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs right up the middle. But yeah, they were 355 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: they were aggressive and the Raiders were aggressive back, and 356 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: you know makes for It was kind of a it's 357 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: batic ending. It's just like I know, it was embarrassing. 358 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: It was such an anti climactic again and to one 359 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: of the best games of the year. I think this 360 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: was a really exciting game. It had a little bit 361 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: of everything, including controversy. Um let's get to the Chris 362 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: Jones called I know everyone is fired up about that. 363 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: I get it. Chris Jones called for a roughing the 364 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: passer on a play that he forced the fumble. Did 365 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: something I've never really seen in that, you know, he 366 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: knocked the ball out and then possessed the ball almost simultaneously. 367 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: He didn't take the ball, It just sort of bounced, 368 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: you know, it just immediately was in his possession and 369 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: before he even landed on Mahomes, he had the ball 370 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: and they called roughing the passer. And I think it 371 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: was full body weight on the quarterback was the explanation. 372 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: Of course, he was sacking car not Mahomes. Uh. That 373 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: ends up giving the ball or allowing the Raiders to 374 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: keep the ball. They end up getting a field goal 375 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: out of the situation, and people lost their minds, like 376 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: bad calls are going to happen. There's been a few 377 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: of these. This wasn't as bad as the Tom Brady 378 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: call on Sunday, but it was close, Like like, what 379 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: do you think realistically we can do here? I guess 380 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: would be my question. There's you have somebody in their ear. 381 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: I mean there is someone in their ear, and there's 382 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: enough time for them to review that, Like there was 383 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: enough time yesterday to say Tom Brady was not maliciously 384 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: thrown to the ground. He was tackled. I mean he 385 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: was tackled the same way too, was tackled the same way. 386 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: Mahomes was tackled tonight, same way the car was. I 387 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: mean it was in a different way, but that was 388 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: it was a clean play by Jones. It didn't even 389 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: feel like the body weight thing because he put his 390 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: arm down and write what else can you do? And 391 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: I don't even know how defenders, Like how do you, 392 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: you know, change the laws of gravity? Like when you're 393 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: tackling someone to roll off of them, they're being taught 394 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: to try to like roll off there actually doing a 395 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: pretty good job, you know, The only thing is they 396 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: actually have learned to pretty much avoid those types of plays. 397 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: But it was like the angle that the ref saw. 398 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: I think if he sawed it from a different angle, 399 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: he wouldn't have called it. And it was just a 400 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: bad call. That was the old Tony Saragosa play against 401 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: rich Gannon, right, Like Sarah Goosa just went like full 402 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: body splash on rich Gannon in the a f C 403 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: Championship and knocked him out and the Ravens go to 404 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. But in this one, it's like Jones is, 405 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: like you're saying, in the middle of stripping the ball, 406 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: he puts his other hand down and yes, some weight 407 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: went on Derek Carr like that. That was inevitable because 408 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: he stripped it. That was one of the best defensive 409 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: plays of the year, and it would have I mean, look, 410 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: the Chiefs ended up winning anyway. It was it was. 411 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: It was in the middle of turning things around for 412 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: the Chiefs. But it was an incredible play and yeah, 413 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: pretty bad call. Yeah, if Chris Jones had been on 414 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: the wrong side of two of the most insane calls 415 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: of the year that cost the Chiefs their two losses, 416 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: that would have been interesting. I don't know if it 417 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: was a ball don't lie situation, but the Raiders, you know, 418 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: ended up kicking the field goal there. They got a 419 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: little conservative a couple of times. They kicked the field 420 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: goal on the fourth and one. They also set up 421 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: a field goal with like a draw on third and eight. 422 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: At one point, after being aggressive, they were almost playing 423 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: for three, which I didn't love, and the Chiefs got 424 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: a quick three back despite only having thirty or forty seconds, 425 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: which ended up being a big sequence. And and I'm 426 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: on Twitter. I'm doing this Channel five coverage in the 427 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: UK from Monday Football, and I see how just people 428 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: are mad because it's like it's no longer football anymore. 429 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: That's what Tony Dundee said. And Troy Aikman is making 430 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: like take off the dresses and stuff, and I get that, 431 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: and the and the and the emphasis is is is 432 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: there to protect the quarterbacks? I just think if if 433 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: there's someone in someone's ear to change these calls on 434 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: the field in terms of in or out of bounds 435 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: that quickly, and they're doing it a lot. They're doing 436 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: it a lot more than they even announced, Like why 437 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: can't you just do that those calls? I just feel 438 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: like that's the next step because they're gonna keep making mistake. 439 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 1: The people get so mad at the refs. After watching 440 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: a couple of games on the sidelines, I'm amazed any 441 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: calls ever so fast. People don't realize how, Like high 442 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: school games look fast to me. NFL games are so fast. 443 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: It is so difficult. Three or four major errors in 444 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: every game, and he's the best of what he did. Like, 445 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: the refs are going to mess up calls, especially these 446 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: calls what they're being asked to do. So it's like, 447 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: how can we fix that? I don't know it's I mean, 448 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: if if the ref throws a flag, I think I 449 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: saw something and somebody's just in his ear, and like 450 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: I would do it for everything, Like is that a 451 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: pick play? The number of times that they mean Chris 452 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: Jones got held on a call later pretty blatant. Hold 453 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: there's a pick play? Like pick plays are just a 454 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: guessing game. Did you run around, did you fake it enough? 455 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,959 Speaker 1: Did you act enough? Oh this is a pick. This 456 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: isn't a pick. And then the roughing the passer. I mean, 457 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 1: if they just throw the flag, I think I saw it. 458 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: Wait ten seconds, Uh no, I can't really do much 459 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: about that. All right, pull up the pick the right 460 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: people are gonna be that upset there. They're gonna say 461 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: it's a Pandora's box and look at what happened with 462 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: the past interference a couple of years ago, and you 463 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: don't want to delay the game. And I guess I 464 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: would say though they have the spotters there now at 465 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: the game, they have the extra official up in the booth. 466 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: They're pretty quick on some of these. And I don't 467 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: know how you break it down, but I think they can. 468 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: They can figure it out. But in the meantime, like 469 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: everyone just take a deep breath, because this is going 470 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: to keep happening like good entertaining game. But look, the 471 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: big picture thing is we're also a weak removed from 472 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: the toa concussion thing. And if you're gonna if you're 473 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: gonna air on the side of caution because of you know, 474 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: head injuries, that's I don't know, is that the worst 475 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: thing in the world. It's of them with them not 476 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: letting Teddy Bridgewater back into the game. Even though no 477 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: one actually had a video of what happened. Someone saw 478 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: what happened, and we've seen the players can convince themselves 479 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: back into the game. This was a very different situation, 480 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: and I think roughing the pastor is a very difficult 481 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: one to to call because even that Tom Brady call, 482 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: which was terrible, you can see in live speed how 483 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: someone would make a mistake. And that's all. That's my 484 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: only point is like mistakes will happen. Um. There was 485 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: also a crazy penalty on the Chiefs. Chiefs had a 486 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: missed field goal attempt. We never got a good replay 487 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: of that. I don't they usually don't get those calls wrong, 488 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: but it was it was a holding on special teams 489 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: that led directly to seven points like there or whatever. 490 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: That that drives me nuts in general, Like the five 491 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: yard penalty that's the automatic first down. I know it's 492 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: the rule defensive hold. I get why they have it, 493 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: but defensive hold on a field goal like that was 494 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: a game changer. Two that that was a total game 495 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: changer because the Chiefs uh kicker what was his name right, 496 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: matthew Wright had a wild up and down game, missed 497 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: a couple of field goals, including that one that got 498 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: pulled off the board, but also made a fifty nine 499 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: yard or which is pretty amazing at the buzzer. Uh, 500 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: this game had a little bit of everything, and I 501 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: really feel for your Raiders Nation. You are the best 502 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: one in four teamail league. I mean, I'm giving you that, 503 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: they're like comparable to the Giants who have four and one. 504 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: You're not what your record was. I don't care what 505 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: Bill Parcels says. You are not what your record says. No. 506 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: I think the Raiders have shown progress. I don't have 507 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: like a lot of love for their defense, but they 508 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 1: do have, you know, one of the three or four 509 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: best edge rushers in the league, Max Crosby, who had 510 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: another monster game. Chandler Jones is getting better. He's at 511 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: least made an impact the last couple of weeks. I 512 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: think there's close. There's so little difference between them and 513 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: most of the three and two teams out there, and 514 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: they have an easier part of the schedule coming up. 515 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: But this was a heartbreaker because they could have gone 516 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: into Thereby at two and three, which would have felt 517 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: more fair, but especially especially with the win over the Chiefs. 518 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: I don't know how much it takes for Derek Carr 519 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: adjusting to the new system. Josh McDaniels runs completely different 520 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: stuff from John Gruden, completely different terminology, we might be 521 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: underrating the adjustment period maybe for cars, I think, and 522 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: I think it's you can see it. I mentioned with 523 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: the offensive line, this is a bad looking offensive line 524 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: and paper, but they've they've gotten that Patriots running game 525 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: going the last couple of weeks, and Josh Jacobs is 526 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: an incredible player right now making people missing it. It's 527 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: coming along, it's coming. I think Derek Carr looked more 528 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: comfortable this week too. I just overall, it's coming along. 529 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: But they're one in four. Um. Yeah, football is not fair. 530 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: Genetics aren't fair. You know you got six ten, you 531 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: know how good? Well, I don't know. Six ten might 532 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: be too tough for tennis. Tennis was my thing. Actually, 533 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: six tens way too tough for tennis. Yeah, you want 534 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: to be six one, Like a ridiculous percentage of the 535 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: greatest male tennis players of all time are between six 536 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: oh and six too. It's like you don't want to 537 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: be taller than that, you don't want to be short. Yeah, 538 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: that was like I wanted to be a major league 539 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: shortstop and then before you know, when I was way 540 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: too tall for that. So I was like, I guess 541 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: I'll pitch. I was, you know, a member of the 542 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: Shield Softball team championship of two thousand and seventeen. So, um, 543 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: you got to it was huge. Thank you for coming. Steve. 544 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: You do a great job. I love the PFF podcast 545 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: they have. They make our recap show look like, um, 546 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: I don't know, like like an episode of the Office 547 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: or something like your show goes what two and a 548 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: half hours? Sometimes, like we go about two and a 549 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: half hours on a Monday morning, and I feel like 550 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: we leave a little bit. There's always a one fan basis, 551 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 1: like you didn't talk about my team, but now you 552 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: don't need that much on the bone. You and you 553 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: and Sam you you eat that bone. But you did 554 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: a great job. And you guys are great in terms 555 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: of draft coverage too. I really love you guys are 556 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: in draft season. Not that you aren't great all season long, 557 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: but people should check out the PF podcast. Steve uh 558 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: doing great work over there. And you you're like, I 559 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: don't even know what you do. You're like an executive too, 560 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: And then you're just like, you're like Andrew Hawkins, who 561 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: just you know, like little articles in being the on 562 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: air talent, but your actual job as being an executive. 563 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: So you're a smart one. Thank you, Steve, appreciate it. Yeah, thanks, 564 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 1: go to go to bed. Thanks for staying up with me. 565 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna finish this show off, see you later, Steve 566 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: with a top six tight end list, and I'm gonna 567 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: welcome in Grave Digger. First, I want Justin for you 568 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: to play the clip of like one of the boldest 569 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: takes I've ever had on this podcast. This came on 570 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: the Friday Fun Show. Everyone should be listening to this 571 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: every week. Alright. My prediction is just that Travis Kelsey 572 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: rex Shop against the Raiders. It's like all these other 573 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,959 Speaker 1: tight end come along lately. So Darren Waller is going 574 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: to be the future. Oh, Kyle Pitts is going to 575 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: be the future. Oh, Like, here's this guy, this guy 576 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: who's still the best tight end in the freaking NFL. 577 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: It's Travis Kelsey. He's on pace to have one of 578 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: his very best seasons ever. Travis Kelsey. Still he's still 579 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: got the championship. This was hero the week. He's the hero. 580 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: He's the hero. Alright, Myra is just that Travis Kelsey 581 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: Rex Shop against the Raiders. It's like all these other 582 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: tight end come along lately. Anywhere you didn't help me out, 583 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: Graver because you just put along the bottom. Travis Kelsey 584 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: will be good. Well, you know what, I don't care. 585 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: Maybe that sounded safe, but whatever, Travis Kelsey did something 586 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: memorable tonight. You scored four touchdowns. I think you get 587 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: full credit for that. That was an excellent prediction. You know. 588 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: Part of it was I was thinking, maybe I'm gonna 589 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: set up this Monday Night pod. I'm gonna finish every 590 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: Monday Night pod now that we're back here in the States. 591 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: I got my jet lag has gone with a top 592 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: six list to wrap up every Monday night football recap. 593 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: And I thought, tonight, with Travis Kelsey and Darren Waller playing, 594 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna do my top six tight ends in the 595 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: NFL right now. This is like a power ranking. This 596 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: is like the tight End Index. Maybe that'll be my 597 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: new I P. You know. So it's just about where 598 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: they are right now. It's not historically. It's who's the 599 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: best tight ends in the league right now. So Darren Waller, 600 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: you're not making it. You've had a sloppy year. He 601 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,479 Speaker 1: left today with a hamstring injury after about seven uh 602 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: apps doesn't have a lot of production normally he would 603 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: be on this list. Uh, there's other some other injured 604 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,479 Speaker 1: players that aren't gonna make it number six, And I'm 605 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: throwing Taysom Hill because he qualifies there in uh fantasy leagues, 606 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: So I don't know really what he is, but just 607 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: Taysom Hill has made a massive difference on the Saints 608 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: and it's a thin season right now among tight ends. 609 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: I thought about Gerald Everett for this last spot, who's 610 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: actually playing really well? Uh, number five, I am giving 611 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: George Kittle a little bit of like historical love. He 612 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: I know, he's had a slow start of the year 613 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: coming off an injury, did lead the forty niners and 614 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: targets and catches, so he gets kind of grandfathered in 615 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: at number five just because he's George Kittle. Number four. 616 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: David and Joku what a weird um contract that was 617 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: graver in the off season. People are like, you're paying 618 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: at David and Joku that money, And now look at 619 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: David and Joku making plays each and every week. And 620 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: I he has the reputation as a great blocker and 621 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: went to PFF to check his blocking score. It's fantastic. 622 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: Right now. You can make the case in Joku is 623 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: the most complete tight end the NFL. How about that? Wow? 624 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: And he's probably Cleveland's second best receiver right now. He's 625 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: making big place each week. Number three is Dallas gott 626 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: Are always been underrated. Dallas gott is averaging over ten 627 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: yards after the catch for catch. That's ridiculous. And because 628 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: I was like, is that a thing? I know it's 629 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: a lot of tight end screens. But like Travis Kelsey, 630 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: he is very good in terms of weaving in between defenders, 631 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: knocking people over, always getting awesome x yards, really good hands, 632 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: really good in the red zone. He's gotten better every 633 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: season of his career. I've always liked Dallas Goddard. Now 634 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: he's on pace to go over a thousand yards. He's incredible. 635 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: He's still a tick behind Mark Andrews, who's the man 636 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: who I who I think is kind of the Jenga 637 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: piece other than Lamar Jackson on the Ravens offense. If 638 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: they ever lost Mark Andrews, they would be in huge trouble. 639 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: He's producing again. Uh. He'll have a drop or two, 640 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: but he'll also have incredible catches. Uh, and so you'll 641 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: take the drops. Uh. He's number two and then number 642 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: one still still Kelsey. I mean I knew it coming 643 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: into tonight. I feel the same way right now. He's 644 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: not only are his hands good, and he's gonna be 645 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: a first ballot Hall of Famer, I believe. And his 646 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: yards after the catch on that like eight yard touchdown. 647 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: He's so good at just having people bounce off him, 648 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: but he understands leverage and zone defenses and him and 649 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: my Home is just improvised in a way that even 650 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: Gronk and Tom Brady never could because they weren't about 651 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: that improvisational life. They were about reading the coverage the 652 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: same like that Kelsey touchdown where he ran across and 653 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: ended up beating those tackles, like that was not the 654 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: play call. He runs across Knox the dude over, they 655 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: lock eyes and they always just like figure out like 656 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,479 Speaker 1: when they play football. It's like it's like jazz music. 657 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: Justin Graver. That's why he's the one. And he's not 658 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: just good at weaving with like his eyes and his vision, 659 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: but he's hard to bring down. He was stiff. He's 660 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: stiff from two raiders to the turf on that him 661 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, well, he's not dumb to a 662 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: blocker A Um, he's fine. He gets the job done. Um. 663 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: The variety with which they use him and and sometimes 664 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: put him in line isn't enough. He gets in the way, 665 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: and they the way they use all their tight ends 666 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: are great. And uh, there was a moment last year 667 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: I thought he was maybe starting to get a little older, 668 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: and that moment has passed. He looks incredible this year 669 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: and their offense is going to be just fine without 670 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill. Thirty to twenty nine. Man, this was a 671 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: long one, but it was a great game. I feel 672 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: for the Raiders though I was pulling for them at 673 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: the end like I usually just pulled for Mahomes. And 674 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: by the end of that, you're just give the Raiders 675 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: a little bone, alright, justin We'll be back on Tuesday 676 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: with Dan and Mark. We're gonna talk a little frisky. 677 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a little spicy. Until then, go ahead, 678 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: need the call see a two day