WEBVTT - #372 Wrongful Conviction: False Confessions - Teina Pora

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, it's Laura and I writer. I am here

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<v Speaker 1>with an update on a case we shared with you

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<v Speaker 1>back in Season one of False Confessions. It's the story

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<v Speaker 1>of Tana Porra, which is perhaps the most famous wrongful

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<v Speaker 1>conviction in New Zealand. Shortly after our episode aired, New

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<v Speaker 1>Zealand officially opened the Criminal Cases Review Commission or CCRC

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<v Speaker 1>to investigate other possible wrongful convictions. Like Conviction Integrity Units

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<v Speaker 1>here in the US, the CCRC will reinvestigate cases and

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<v Speaker 1>present its findings to the court, which will then weigh

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence and grant relief if they see fit. Since

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<v Speaker 1>the CCRC began operation in New Zealand in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>the work of its investigators has led to one exoneration

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<v Speaker 1>already and three more seem likely in the near future.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a hugely positive step in New Zealand, where

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<v Speaker 1>justice can move really slowly and exonerations like these have

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<v Speaker 1>been exceedingly rare. But with the CEA CRC, true justice

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<v Speaker 1>seems a lot closer at hand. Welcome to wrongful conviction,

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<v Speaker 1>False Confessions. I'm Laura and I Writer.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Steve Drissen.

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<v Speaker 1>So far we've told you false confession stories that span

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, from urban Chicago to rural Nebraska. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll take you across the globe to New Zealand with

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<v Speaker 1>a story that still hits way too close to home.

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<v Speaker 1>A sixteen year old boy who confessed to a rape

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<v Speaker 1>and murder he didn't commit. His wrongful conviction allowed the

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<v Speaker 1>real offender, a prolific serial rapist, to assault dozens of

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<v Speaker 1>other women, while a teenager languished behind bars after making

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<v Speaker 1>a murder. Came out season two, Steve and I have

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<v Speaker 1>had an opportunity to travel around the globe talking to

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<v Speaker 1>audiences about the problem of false confessions and the need

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<v Speaker 1>for criminal justice reform. We've spoken everywhere from the United

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<v Speaker 1>States to the United Kingdom, to Ireland to Australia. You

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<v Speaker 1>remember this guy, Steve, who traveled around Australia with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh God, this guy, this guy was beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>What was his name, Jimond?

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<v Speaker 2>His name was Simon. Simon. Simon was like a roadie

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<v Speaker 2>from the nineteen seventies, always wearing black T shirts and

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<v Speaker 2>deep into the heavy metal scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Somehow, poor Simon gets assigned to the lawyers who are

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<v Speaker 1>traveling around talking about false confessions. One of my personal

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<v Speaker 1>points of pride though, is that by the end of

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<v Speaker 1>this trip around Australia, he seemed to like what we

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to do, so we had a great time

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<v Speaker 1>with him. But Simon kept asking us, as did everybody

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<v Speaker 1>else we met around Australia. Have you heard about Tana Pora?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you heard about New Zealand's Brendon Dassy? And that's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly who Tana is.

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<v Speaker 2>Police officers around the world are often trained in very

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<v Speaker 2>similar ways about how to interrogate suspects, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>expected and was beginning to discover false confessions in places

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<v Speaker 2>like Japan and Korea and other Commonwealth countries like Australia

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<v Speaker 2>and New Zealand and Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>These are stories that hit home around the globe, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's for you know, social justice driven lawyers or heavy

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<v Speaker 1>metal roadies. You know Tanapora, Brendan Dassy. We all know

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<v Speaker 1>someone vulnerable like them, and we can all see the

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<v Speaker 1>need to do justice in cases like these. Tanapora's story

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<v Speaker 1>starts about eight thousand miles away from where Steve and

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<v Speaker 1>I are sitting right now in the United States. It

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<v Speaker 1>starts in South Auckland. That's an urban area on the

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<v Speaker 1>southern edge of New Zealand's largest city, Auckland. It's home

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<v Speaker 1>to a large minority population, including Maureed's, the indigenous Polynesian

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<v Speaker 1>population of New Zealand. Parts of South Auckland can have

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<v Speaker 1>no negative connotations. Too often it's associated with poverty and crime.

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<v Speaker 1>When our story starts in nineteen ninety two, South Auckland

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<v Speaker 1>was home to a thirty nine year old woman named

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<v Speaker 1>Susan Burdette. Susan lived alone in a tidy house on

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<v Speaker 1>Paw Road. She worked days as an account's clerk at

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<v Speaker 1>a chemical manufacturing company, and on the evening of March

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<v Speaker 1>twenty third, nineteen ninety two, Susan leaves her weekly bowling

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<v Speaker 1>league meet up and drives home under a night of

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful stars. Susan's a hard worker, so when she doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>show up at work the next few days, her colleagues

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<v Speaker 1>get concerned. They call her friend Steve eventually to find

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<v Speaker 1>out if he knows where she is. Steve gets worried

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<v Speaker 1>and he ends up going over to Susan's house that Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>March twenty fifth, at about twelve forty pm. He finds

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<v Speaker 1>the front door unlocked, goes inside and is greeted with

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<v Speaker 1>a horrible sight. Susan is lying horizontally on her waterbed

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<v Speaker 1>and she's clearly dead. The upper half of her body

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<v Speaker 1>is wrapped in a duvet and there's a wooden baseball

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<v Speaker 1>bat lying on the bed next to her. Her legs

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<v Speaker 1>are dangling off the side of the bed and they're crossed.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone whoever did this had positioned her that way. The

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<v Speaker 1>police arrived, they remove the duvet and they find that

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<v Speaker 1>Susan had been beaten badly about the head, very likely

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<v Speaker 1>with the baseball bat. She'd also been sexually assaulted, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's plenty of DNA left behind seamen, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>a bloody smudge mark on a light switch. Susan's hands

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<v Speaker 1>were covered with defensive wounds, which indicates that she'd fought

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<v Speaker 1>back against her attacker, and her friends later identified the

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<v Speaker 1>baseball bat as belonging to Susan. She had kept it

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<v Speaker 1>next to her bed for her own protection. The police

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<v Speaker 1>begin by investigating Susan's other friends, but DNA and alibis

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<v Speaker 1>clear them all and the investigation quickly stalls. The pressure

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<v Speaker 1>is building building, that is until about a week after

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<v Speaker 1>the murder. That's when police get a call from a

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<v Speaker 1>woman named Garry McLaughlin, and she tells them a story

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<v Speaker 1>about her then sixteen year old nephew, a shaggy haired,

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<v Speaker 1>baby faced mawory kid named Tana Pora.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's talk about Tana for a bit. Tana had

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<v Speaker 2>it rough growing up. His mother died when he was

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<v Speaker 2>a young boy, and his father left shortly afterwards. He

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<v Speaker 2>then got passed around from family member to family member

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<v Speaker 2>and ultimately ended up in his aunt Terry's house.

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<v Speaker 1>A few days after Susan Burdett's murder made headlines, Tana

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<v Speaker 1>and some friends found a baseball bat in the local

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<v Speaker 1>park and they were joking about it being the murder weapon.

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<v Speaker 1>Back at Aunt Terry's house, Tana kept talking about the bat.

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<v Speaker 1>Tana had a history of run ins with the law,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing really serious, but enough for Terry to want him

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<v Speaker 1>out of her house. She called the police over and over,

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<v Speaker 1>insisting that Tana knew something about Susan Burdett's murder. But

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<v Speaker 1>police quickly come to the conclusion that Tana and his

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<v Speaker 1>buddies were just over excited teens who are talking shit.

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<v Speaker 1>They interview Tana, they take his DNA, They even execute

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<v Speaker 1>a search warrant, but Tana and his friends are ruled

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<v Speaker 1>out conclusively as Susan Burdett's killers. The DNA doesn't match,

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<v Speaker 1>the search warrant turns up nothing, and while tana does

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<v Speaker 1>have a record, there is nothing in his background that

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<v Speaker 1>would suggests this level of violence or depravity.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, let's fast forward almost exactly twelve months to March eighteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety three. We're almost a year out now from

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<v Speaker 2>the discovery of Susan Burdett's body. In the course of

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<v Speaker 2>police investigations. That's a lifetime and this is the only

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<v Speaker 2>unsolved homicide from nineteen ninety two.

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<v Speaker 1>Tana Pora is seventeen years old. Now he still has

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<v Speaker 1>that babyface, but his police record has grown. During a

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<v Speaker 1>routine interview with Tana about a car theft, police get

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<v Speaker 1>an anonymous phone tip about Susan Burdett's murder. This caller

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<v Speaker 1>links the murder to a local gang called the mongrel

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<v Speaker 1>Agang Tana is rumored to have connections with, so the

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<v Speaker 1>police decide to keep him at the station for questioning.

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<v Speaker 1>His interrogation begins at nine am and continues for the

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<v Speaker 1>next four days.

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<v Speaker 2>The police have Tana Pora in the interrogation room and

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<v Speaker 2>he's telling multiple different stories. The stories don't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not an interrogation with banging of the table or

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<v Speaker 2>raised voices or threats or even promises.

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<v Speaker 3>To unite a comment that you're gonna tell us more?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that correct? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, tell us this is a seventeen year old kid

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<v Speaker 2>who is highly suggestible and eager to please the authorities.

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<v Speaker 2>They're applying him with cigarettes and fast food and drinks.

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<v Speaker 3>You head spring raw bodog chips and drink. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 1>The detectives even mentioned twenty thousand dollars as a reward

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<v Speaker 1>for information about Susan Burdette's rape and murder. Tana's story

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<v Speaker 1>keeps evolving, and the camera keeps getting turned on and off.

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<v Speaker 3>You said you were going to tell us everything.

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<v Speaker 1>First, Tana tells the police that he drove two other

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<v Speaker 1>men to Susan's house and waited outside while they went

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<v Speaker 1>into attacker.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you telling us about a person called dog raping

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<v Speaker 3>this woman? Did you hear any more or see any more?

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<v Speaker 3>It's outside in the caravan.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually he changes that story.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought what you've said so fair that you've climbed

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<v Speaker 3>it in the bedroom window and you've gone through to

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<v Speaker 3>open the door up for the other two.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, now he's climbing in through one of Susan

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<v Speaker 1>Burdette's windows and letting the other two in through the

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<v Speaker 1>front door.

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<v Speaker 3>And you were inlier. You could see quite clearly what

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<v Speaker 3>was happening, Is that right? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>I was just watching and you.

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<v Speaker 3>Were just watching.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the end, after four days, Tana confesses to

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<v Speaker 1>being in the room, to actually holding Susan down while

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<v Speaker 1>his two associates raped her.

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<v Speaker 3>And you were in the room some of this time

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<v Speaker 3>while this was happening. Is that right? You are holding

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<v Speaker 3>Susan dan?

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<v Speaker 2>And that last story, the one that ultimately seals Tana's fate.

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<v Speaker 2>It comes after a break in the tea room, where

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<v Speaker 2>of course, the cameras are turned off at.

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<v Speaker 1>The suggestion of the police. Tana identifies this too supposed

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<v Speaker 1>accomplices as senior members of the Mongrel Mob, that local gang.

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<v Speaker 1>The police bring in those two individuals that Tana had named,

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<v Speaker 1>but their DNA doesn't match the DNA found on Susan's body.

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<v Speaker 1>They're cleared and they're released. Things don't go as smoothly

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<v Speaker 1>for Tana. He's arrested based on his confession. He's charged

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<v Speaker 1>with Susan Burdett's rape and murder, and fourteen long months later,

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutors try Tana Porra for participating in the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>Susan Burdett along with two unknown accomplices.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's stop right here for a minute. This is

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<v Speaker 2>round one of the battle of these two titans of evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>confessions versus DNA. DNA seemed to clear Tanapora of any

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<v Speaker 2>role in this crime, but it's the confessions that ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>lead to his conviction.

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<v Speaker 1>On June sixteenth, nineteen ninety four, a jury took less

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<v Speaker 1>than ninety minutes to convictaan Apora of rape and murder.

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<v Speaker 1>He received a life sentence and was shipped off to prison.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, the New Zealand Police are beginning

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<v Speaker 1>a focused investigation into six rapes that had occurred between

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty eight and nineteen ninety two in the Auckland area,

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<v Speaker 1>including Susan Burdette's rape. Now, these attacks were all similar

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<v Speaker 1>enough that some police officers began to worry that they

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<v Speaker 1>had a serial rapist on their hands. All of them

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<v Speaker 1>involved a lone wolf attacker who broke into women's homes,

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped their heads in blankets or duveys and repositioned them

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<v Speaker 1>so that they lay sideways across the edge of the

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<v Speaker 1>bed during the attack. And by April nineteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>a few years after Tana's conviction, the investigation into these

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<v Speaker 1>rapes linked them all, including Susan Burdett's attack, to the

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<v Speaker 1>DNA of the same person, a man named Malcolm Raywa.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, who is Malcolm Rewa? First of all, he's twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years older than Tana Porra. And while I usually try

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<v Speaker 2>to avoid characterizing my fellow humans like this, Raywa is

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<v Speaker 2>a monster. He's a terrifying figure, a prolific serial rapist.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the kind of predator that women worry about. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the worst nightmare.

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<v Speaker 2>Raywak committed his first rape in the nineteen seventies. His

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<v Speaker 2>wife was in labor giving birth to their child at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, so Raywa took the oppertains unity to sexually

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<v Speaker 2>assault a nurse in a hospital bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Unbelievable four and a.

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<v Speaker 2>Half years in prison he spent for that awful crime.

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<v Speaker 1>So Raywah gets out of prison and apparently rapes again

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<v Speaker 1>from then on. Over the dozens of rapes that he

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<v Speaker 1>went on to commit, Raywa started developing a pattern an

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<v Speaker 1>m O. He'd carefully select his victims, who tended to

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<v Speaker 1>be single women, professionals who were home alone. He'd stake

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<v Speaker 1>out their homes in advance and plan his attacks meticulously,

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<v Speaker 1>and then always the same thing, a surprise attack after

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<v Speaker 1>the woman had fallen asleep, a physical attack first to

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<v Speaker 1>subdue her, then the blanket or duvet around her head,

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<v Speaker 1>and a rape at the side of the bed.

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<v Speaker 2>And raa would hide in their homes. He would wait

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<v Speaker 2>for them to get into bed and begin to fall asleep,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he would attack.

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<v Speaker 1>Raywa apparently suffered from a rectile dysfunction, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>he positioned his victims in a way that allowed him

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<v Speaker 1>to maintain sexual coind during his attacks. That's also why

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<v Speaker 1>he acted alone. He didn't exactly want an audience. Ray

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<v Speaker 1>was arrested on May thirteenth, nineteen ninety six. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty dramatic sting operation. Actually, the police had been planning

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<v Speaker 1>this for quite some time. When he tries to run,

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<v Speaker 1>police dogs wrestle this guy to the ground. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>police remember that Tanapora had already confessed to one of

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<v Speaker 1>the rapes, to which Reywa is tied by DNA, so

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<v Speaker 1>they immediately ask him if he knows Tana Pora. Reywa

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<v Speaker 1>is crystal clear never met him. Based on the arrest

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<v Speaker 1>of Malcolm Rawa, the Court of Appeals throws out Tana's

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<v Speaker 1>conviction in nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine, never met him. Now, at this point in time,

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<v Speaker 2>where you have a prolific serial rapist operating in the

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<v Speaker 2>same neighborhood as the Burdette murder and his DNA is

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<v Speaker 2>at the crime scene and he's telling you I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know Tanapura, most prosecutors and police officers would throw their

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<v Speaker 2>hands up and say we can't go forward with a

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<v Speaker 2>reprosecution of Tana Pora. We have to free him.

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<v Speaker 1>But instead Tana is retried, and if you've listened to

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, you know what's coming. Prosecutors change their theory

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<v Speaker 1>of the case and argue at Tana's second trial that

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<v Speaker 1>he and Rewa raped and killed Susan Burdett together, even

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<v Speaker 1>though Rewa had denied knowing Tana, even though Rewa always

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<v Speaker 1>acted alone, and even though Rewa would never have wanted

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<v Speaker 1>some teenager there to witness his sexual dysfunction.

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<v Speaker 2>So now we have round two of a battle between

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<v Speaker 2>confession evidence and DNA evidence, except this time we know

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<v Speaker 2>whose DNA it is. It's the DNA of a serial

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<v Speaker 2>rapist named Malcolm Rewa. Will Tana's confession bring him down?

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<v Speaker 2>Or will the jury side with the science and recognize

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<v Speaker 2>that Tanapora and Malcolm had never met.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure Enough, despite all hopes that the DNA evidence would

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<v Speaker 1>be enough to clear Tana, Tana was convicted a second

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<v Speaker 1>time of raping and murdering Susan Burdette and sent back

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<v Speaker 1>to his life sentence. Meanwhile, Malcolm Raywa himself stood trial

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<v Speaker 1>for three months in nineteen ninety eight on what amounted

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<v Speaker 1>to forty five counts of rape, involving twenty seven different women.

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<v Speaker 1>His trial ended with convictions for sexually assaulting twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>of them, including Susan Burdett. Just like Tana, he was

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<v Speaker 1>shipped off to prison for decades. Now, this is justice

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<v Speaker 1>for Rewa, but for Tana Porra it's anything but. And

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<v Speaker 1>for years Tana served as time with little hope of freedom,

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<v Speaker 1>and things might have stayed bleak for him had it

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<v Speaker 1>not been for a man named Tim mckinnal.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, who is Tim.

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<v Speaker 4>Mckinnall At the moment, Tom is self employed, private and vistagata.

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<v Speaker 4>But when I finished university. I joined the police as

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<v Speaker 4>a twenty two year old.

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<v Speaker 2>Tim McKinnell started out his career as a cup, a

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<v Speaker 2>good cup, one of the best cups. Tim had become

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<v Speaker 2>a member of the South Auckland Police Force in the

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<v Speaker 2>late nineteen nineties, eventually rising to junior detective by the

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<v Speaker 2>year two thousand. That year, the force had been divided

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<v Speaker 2>over the case of Tanapura.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of chat went on in the police bar

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<v Speaker 4>at the time, and there was a real disconnect between

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<v Speaker 4>two different groups of people. People that thought Tana Porter

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<v Speaker 4>was a guilty man and had been involved in the

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<v Speaker 4>rape and murder of Susan Bidett, and there was another

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<v Speaker 4>camp of experienced police officers who thought that he was

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<v Speaker 4>an innocent man.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, Tim remembers seeing all manner of drunken arguments

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<v Speaker 2>at police bars and he was struck by the passion

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<v Speaker 2>of those who believed in Tana Pura.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim never forgot those arguments or his own growing doubt

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<v Speaker 1>about Tana's guilt, even after he eventually left the police force,

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<v Speaker 1>and as many retired officers do, he became a private investigator.

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<v Speaker 1>Now in two thousand and seven, Tim attended a local

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<v Speaker 1>conference on wrongful convictions and false confessions, and that conference

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<v Speaker 1>brought up those old, lingering questions that Tim had about

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<v Speaker 1>Tana's case. The last straw came when Tim was diagnosed

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<v Speaker 1>in his thirties with a rare blood disorder, not exactly

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<v Speaker 1>a death sentence, but the kind of health scare that

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<v Speaker 1>led him to reevaluate his priorities and seek out more

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<v Speaker 1>meaningful work like freeing the innocent. Eventually, Tim decided to

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<v Speaker 1>take the plunge. In two thousand and nine, he visited

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<v Speaker 1>Tana Pora, who was then thirty four years old in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>Tana was no longer that teenage car thief Tim had

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<v Speaker 1>read about. He was polite, well mannered, surprisingly gentle, even warm.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim begins to feel an urge to help this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's the matter of Tana's confession. Tim starts by

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<v Speaker 2>digging up videotapes of Tina's interrogation, and they're not easy

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<v Speaker 2>to find. They're on old VHS tapes in boxes in

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<v Speaker 2>police departments. But he gets them and he sits down

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<v Speaker 2>to watch them, and he is blown away by what

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<v Speaker 2>he saw.

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<v Speaker 4>When you examine what he was able to say on

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<v Speaker 4>day one. In the first few interviews on tape, and

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<v Speaker 4>you compare that to what he was able to say

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<v Speaker 4>four days later, there are marked differences. There were some

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<v Speaker 4>very particular things that happened in Susan's house that the

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<v Speaker 4>offender would know, and it's clear from the interviews that

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<v Speaker 4>Tana Porter had no idea about any of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite four days worth of trying, Tina just was not

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<v Speaker 1>able to tell a story that matched what actually happened.

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<v Speaker 1>When police asked him to describe Susan Burdette, he says

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<v Speaker 1>she was chubby, even though she was actually quite athletic.

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<v Speaker 1>Tina is asked to draw a picture of how he

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<v Speaker 1>left Susan's body. Remember she'd been found horizontally with her

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<v Speaker 1>legs dangling over the side of the bed, but he

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<v Speaker 1>draws her lying vertically on the bad.

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<v Speaker 4>When he was.

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<v Speaker 1>Asked whether there was anything special about Susan's bad, Tina

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<v Speaker 1>can't come up with the fact that it was.

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<v Speaker 4>A water bad, and so one of the questions that

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<v Speaker 4>arises about that is how did he come to know

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<v Speaker 4>things on day four that he didn't know on day one.

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<v Speaker 1>The interrogators take Tina on a field trip to Susan

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<v Speaker 1>Burdett's street so that he can point out details of

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<v Speaker 1>the crime to them in person, and they videotaped the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing.

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<v Speaker 4>He started giving them directions that were taking them away

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<v Speaker 4>from her house, so though helpfully tried to direct him

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<v Speaker 4>back towards her house, it was pretty clear on tape

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<v Speaker 4>that he still had no idea where he was going

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<v Speaker 4>and wasn't able to identify anything familiar. In the end,

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<v Speaker 4>they took him to the outside of the house where

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<v Speaker 4>Susan had been raped murdered and asked him if he

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<v Speaker 4>recognized anything, and again he didn't, so the police officer

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<v Speaker 4>and it's really chilling, really chilling to watch it. He said, Look,

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<v Speaker 4>it's clear you don't recognize what it is you're looking for.

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<v Speaker 4>So do you think it would help if I showed

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<v Speaker 4>you house? And that's an extraordinary thing for a police

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<v Speaker 4>officer to do.

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<v Speaker 2>For Tim, that's it. This was a false confession. He

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<v Speaker 2>was motivated, fired up, and he would not rest until

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<v Speaker 2>Tina Poora was cleared. But he needs to present more

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<v Speaker 2>evidence to the lawyers and other people he wants to

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<v Speaker 2>get involved in this case.

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<v Speaker 4>So Tana's case isn't one that was only scarred by

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<v Speaker 4>false confession. There were the other issues that were beginning

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<v Speaker 4>to arise with the involvement of Tana's family.

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<v Speaker 2>Tina's cousin became a key witness for the prosecution against Tina.

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<v Speaker 2>She claimed that she had seen Tina with Rewa on

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<v Speaker 2>multiple occasions, including once at Tina's girlfriend's home.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim was able to discredit Martha's testimony.

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<v Speaker 4>There was evidence of paid witnesses, including his cousin and

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<v Speaker 4>his auntie. Those family members gave evidence against him, and

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<v Speaker 4>we know that at least one of them was paid

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<v Speaker 4>five thousand dollars for her trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim tracks down Fiona, Tina's girlfriend, and Fiona says that

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<v Speaker 1>she has no idea who Malcolm Rawell was and that

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<v Speaker 1>he was never in her home. From his time on

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<v Speaker 1>the police force, Tim was well acquainted with the various

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<v Speaker 1>gangs operating around South Auckland, so for him, one piece

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<v Speaker 1>of the prosecution's argument was clearly ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>Malcolm Rawa was a senior member of the Highway sixty

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<v Speaker 4>one motorcycle Club, Mortal Enemies of the Mongrel Mob and

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<v Speaker 4>Sotana Porter as somebody who was supposedly involved with the

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<v Speaker 4>Mungrel Mob. Going to Susan Burdette's house late one night

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<v Speaker 4>with a senior member of the Highway sixty one's to

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<v Speaker 4>commit a brutal rape and murder. Anybody that knows anything

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<v Speaker 4>about gang culture in New Zealand will tell you that

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<v Speaker 4>that's just nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim doesn't stop there. He also starts assembling an all

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<v Speaker 1>star team of experts, starting with an Icelandic professor and

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<v Speaker 1>former detective himself, Geisley good Johnson, who was a professor

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<v Speaker 1>by that time in London. Now. Geasley essentially created the

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<v Speaker 1>field of false confession science. He's the father of everything

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about during this podcast, and after Tim sends

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<v Speaker 1>him Tanea's interrogation videos, Geezley agrees to write a report

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<v Speaker 1>deconstructing Tana's statements and deeming them unreliable.

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<v Speaker 2>Next, Tim enlists the help of respected local New Zealand

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<v Speaker 2>journalist named Phil Taylor. Phil had questioned the States case

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<v Speaker 2>against Tana for years and is happy to help, and

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<v Speaker 2>Phil delivers. In twenty twelve, as the case for Tana's

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<v Speaker 2>innocence is building, Phil releases a bombshell article titled Innocent

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<v Speaker 2>Man in Jail for twenty Years, and in it Chuck Henwood,

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<v Speaker 2>the detective who had developed the original criminal profile of

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<v Speaker 2>Malcolm Rewa says the cops got it horribly wrong in

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<v Speaker 2>Susan Burdett's case. Tana had nothing to do with this.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this is a huge deal because Chuck Henwood is

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<v Speaker 2>the most famous criminal profiler in New Zealand, a bit

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<v Speaker 2>like John Douglas of the mind Hunter fame.

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<v Speaker 4>For somebody like Chuck Henwood come out and express a

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<v Speaker 4>firmly hell conviction that Tana Porter was innocent was hugely

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<v Speaker 4>important in terms of public perception and momentum for our

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<v Speaker 4>appeal work on Tana's case.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the middle of this, there's this remarkable moment

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<v Speaker 2>when Susan Burdett's brother Jim comes forward and says, I

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<v Speaker 2>too believe that Tana Pora is innocent, and he actually

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<v Speaker 2>meets with Tana Pora. It's this incredible moment of reconciliation

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<v Speaker 2>and grace.

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<v Speaker 1>Momentum is building a across the board, but there's still

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<v Speaker 1>one more piece. Can Tim provide a better understanding, a

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<v Speaker 1>better explanation of why Tana confessed to a crime he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't commit.

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<v Speaker 4>We had a documentary maker called Michael Bennett making a

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<v Speaker 4>documentary about Tana's case. Perhaps the most significant development in

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<v Speaker 4>twenty years occurred because the person that had been watching

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<v Speaker 4>it was a woman called doctor Valerie McGinn.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor McGinn provides Tim with the answer he needs. She

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<v Speaker 1>writes report, saying, your clients, mister Tana Pora sounds very

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<v Speaker 1>similar to many people with fetal alcohol spectrum disorder. She

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<v Speaker 1>even attaches a journal article that details how individuals with

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<v Speaker 1>FASD are at an increased risk of getting arrested. And

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<v Speaker 1>more importantly, people.

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<v Speaker 4>That have it can be impulsive, they suggestible, they eager

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<v Speaker 4>to please figures of authority. And so when you look

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<v Speaker 4>at those types of behaviors and then you consider the

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<v Speaker 4>position Taner was in when he was in the police

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<v Speaker 4>station in nineteen ninety three, it almost makes it inevitable

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<v Speaker 4>that he was going to confess to something.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor mcginnon confirms categorically that Tena suffers from an FASD disorder,

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<v Speaker 1>he was uniquely susceptible to falsely confessing in the interrogation room.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the things that really bothered me about Tana's

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<v Speaker 4>case is we could never understand why he did what

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<v Speaker 4>he did, the things he said, and the people he implicated.

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<v Speaker 4>It just none of it made sense to us, and

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<v Speaker 4>we couldn't explain that to the courts, and so once

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<v Speaker 4>we got this diagnosis of feder Welck whole spectrum disorder,

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<v Speaker 4>it all became clear. It was the final piece of

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<v Speaker 4>the puzzle and we finally understood what it was we

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<v Speaker 4>were dealing with.

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<v Speaker 1>And that does it. All the pieces are assembled for

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<v Speaker 1>Tim and his team to appeal Tena's conviction and they

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<v Speaker 1>bring the case in November of twenty fourteen to the

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<v Speaker 1>Privy Council in London, the final Court of Appeal where

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<v Speaker 1>Commonwealth countries like New Zealand can bring cases like Tena's.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the court of last resort and it's staffed with

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<v Speaker 2>senior judge some of the best and brightest minds in

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<v Speaker 2>the entire Commonwealth.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this is Tana's last shot, and his lawyers put

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<v Speaker 1>his FASD disorder at the front of their case, arguing

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<v Speaker 1>that judges in the nineteen ninety four and two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>trials weren't aware of his disability and if they had been,

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<v Speaker 1>they would have ruled differently.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a big group of people that gathered at

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<v Speaker 4>Michael Bennett, the documentary maker's house, waiting for that decision

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<v Speaker 4>to be announced, and it was an extraordinary moment. We

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<v Speaker 4>only got to tell Taneer about an hour before the

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<v Speaker 4>whole world found out that he had his conviction quashed

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<v Speaker 4>and he was no longer a rapist and murderer. It

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<v Speaker 4>was incredibly emotional for him.

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<v Speaker 1>On March third, twenty fifteen, in the case of poorra

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<v Speaker 1>Versus the Queen, the Council of rules that Tina's confessions

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<v Speaker 1>must be thrown out, and they quashed his conviction for

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<v Speaker 1>the rape and murder of Susan Burdett. Two weeks later,

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<v Speaker 1>the Crown prosecutors dropped their case and declined to reap Tina,

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<v Speaker 1>and after more than twenty years, tana Pora was officially exonerated.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what his first concern was for was for

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<v Speaker 4>the police officers that had interviewed him. He didn't want

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<v Speaker 4>their reputations to be tarnished because of what had happened.

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<v Speaker 4>One of his first thoughts was for other people, and

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<v Speaker 4>that was that was pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>In so many of these wrongful conviction cases, you see

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<v Speaker 1>people go through so much pain, and they have every

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<v Speaker 1>right to be bitter, resentful, angry, all of those things,

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<v Speaker 1>but so often you see them express, at least publicly,

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<v Speaker 1>these incredible acts of grace. It's almost as though they've

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<v Speaker 1>lived through so much pain they don't want to cause anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty sixteen, Tana received a sum of money to

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<v Speaker 2>compensate him for the time he had spent in prison

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<v Speaker 2>for a crime he did not commit. He also received

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<v Speaker 2>an apology from the New Zealand government.

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<v Speaker 4>Tana grew up in prison. He was there for twenty

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<v Speaker 4>two years and he struggles every day. We keep in contact,

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<v Speaker 4>but life isn't great for him. The money makes some

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<v Speaker 4>things easier, but it doesn't repair the psychological damage. It

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't bring the years back, and it doesn't make his

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<v Speaker 4>life easy now. It is incredibly difficult to watch him

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<v Speaker 4>struggle through life after everything he's been through.

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<v Speaker 1>Tana, we salute your sheer endurance, your will to keep

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<v Speaker 1>on fighting and surviving and living through this ordeal from

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of the planet. Know that we won't

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<v Speaker 1>forget your name or what you've been through, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of us together, we're fighting to make sure it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>happen again. Wrongful Conviction, False Confessions is the production of

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<v Speaker 1>warda Senior producer and Pope, and additional production and editing

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<v Speaker 1>by Connor Hall. Our music was composed by Jay Ralph.

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