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Speaker 1: Hello, off the pup.

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Speaker 2: Listeners, this is your Talking Coffee with Essie, where we

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Speaker 2: talk coffee news. I talked to my producers, the Lovely Lauren,

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Speaker 2: the Lovely Derek about all things coffee.

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Speaker 3: You've arrived.

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Speaker 2: You're at the right place for all of your coffee news.

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Speaker 2: Are you guys ready to talk some coffee?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Pour me some desperate for some coffee news.

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Speaker 2: I think last time we said this was all the

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Speaker 2: news that was fit to sick.

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Speaker 3: Yes, oh, yes, yeah, and that worked.

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Speaker 1: That works.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna, We're gonna We're gonna keep trotting that out.

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Speaker 5: That's the keeper here.

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Speaker 2: This is all the news that's fit to sip because

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Speaker 2: we love coffee here, we love coffee. Lauren, you were

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Speaker 2: telling me you're you're a little under the weather and

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Speaker 2: you've not had coffee in three days.

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Speaker 4: It's really tragic. I tried to make do with some

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Speaker 4: tea this morning, and it's just.

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Speaker 6: Really not cuna. It's not doing anything for me.

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Speaker 2: This is what I never understand when people are like,

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't drink coffee, I drink tea. Okay,

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Speaker 2: all right, what does that have to do with anything.

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Speaker 1: That is unrelated?

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Speaker 6: You can also have tea unrelated, right.

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Speaker 2: I get they're both caffeinated, they're both hot beverages. Usually

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Speaker 2: you can also have them ice. I get that they

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Speaker 2: are completely different experiences. Yeah, I don't care that you

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Speaker 2: also drink tea. It does not have to be one

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Speaker 2: or the other. It's not mutually exclusive.

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Speaker 4: But for me, it's hard to pinpoint the reason. Like

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Speaker 4: I love the taste. Obviously, it's the taste, Lauren, it's

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Speaker 4: the taste, the taste, it's.

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Speaker 6: Just something about that morning.

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Speaker 4: I guess if I only drink tea, I would have

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Speaker 4: that morning moment too, But I don't know that morning

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Speaker 4: moment with my coffee is so special.

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Speaker 2: Well, the ritual of it is special, and that's a

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Speaker 2: big part of it too, But it's the taste.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's delicious.

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Speaker 2: It's the best flavor. It's the best taste in the world,

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Speaker 2: and I need it every day. But I know what

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Speaker 2: you mean, like when you're sick, and they're things like

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Speaker 2: you can't do, like I have milk in my coffee

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Speaker 2: and I can't have like dairy when I'm sick.

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Speaker 3: I just don't want any part.

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Speaker 6: Of that totally, right, get the thought of it, Like it's.

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Speaker 2: Sad all right, Well, let's turn let's turn those friends

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Speaker 2: upside down with some coffee news.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it, all right, I've got to start us off.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna start with the bad news, okay, and we're

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Speaker 2: gonna work our way up to the good news. And

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Speaker 2: you know, I hate to talk politics, but politics is

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Speaker 2: interfering with m coffee.

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Speaker 3: No, this political cycle will not even leave my coffee alone.

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Speaker 2: Because Trump's tariffs are threatening the coffee industry.

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Speaker 6: It makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Oh no.

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Speaker 2: After saying he'd immediately enact a twenty five percent tariff

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Speaker 2: on imports on Colombian coffee goods, he later raised that

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Speaker 6: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Tensions were luckily de escalated when the two countries reached

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, but it's temporary. It is temporary.

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Speaker 2: Trump is still threatening these tariffs on Columbia's coffee. The

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Speaker 2: world's second largest producer of Arabica coffee, by the way,

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Speaker 2: still in Trump's crosshairs. So get ready for your overpriced

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Speaker 3: Thanks Trump.

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Speaker 7: Okay, so we Colombia, is this you said? The second

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Speaker 7: largest producer.

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Speaker 3: Of Arabica coffee in the world.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so what's so what's the first It's Brazil.

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Speaker 2: So far, we're so far, so good with Brazil.

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Speaker 3: But coffee prices are already at an all time high.

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Speaker 2: They are insane right now, right now, they are already

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Speaker 2: the highest they've ever been.

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Speaker 3: So this is a bummer. This is a big bummer.

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Speaker 2: This is where politics is affecting my life in actual light.

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Speaker 3: So bummed about that.

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Speaker 7: Well, and where does Duncan get its coffee beans? That's

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Speaker 7: what I that's the important thing, that's the really important thing.

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Speaker 2: That is the important thing. Where they sourced. I'll find

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Speaker 2: that out, Derek. Okay, I got a guy I literally

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Speaker 2: inside Duncan will tell me that he's actually the head

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Speaker 2: of security for Duncan, So I will find out.

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Speaker 7: Wow, So you do you need to make friends with

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Speaker 7: the head of security of Duncan so that you can

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Speaker 7: it out and potentially.

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Speaker 3: Helps me in a number of arenas.

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Speaker 7: Let me Okay, you wouldn't expect we can talk off

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Speaker 7: air after about what those are.

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Speaker 3: This person's very very helpful.

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Speaker 2: Okay, next story and talking coffee. I may have to

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Speaker 2: go back to college, which would not be a bad thing.

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Speaker 2: I loved being in college. I went to several colleges.

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Speaker 2: I loved it so much.

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Speaker 3: Mi i T, a college I could not get into.

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Speaker 2: Mi T has a new class called Coffee Matters, which

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Speaker 2: blends chemistry lends with hands on brewing experiments.

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Speaker 6: Okay, fine, wow.

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Grossman from the Department of Materials, Science and Engineering

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Speaker 2: says the class this is his class is the perfect

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Speaker 2: example of his discipline and action.

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Speaker 5: Quote.

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Speaker 3: That's why it's coffee Matters because it's a.

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Speaker 4: Matter, mind blowing matters in chemistry, matters as in matter.

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Speaker 1: Quote.

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Speaker 2: But now, how do you engineer it? How do you

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Speaker 2: understand it? How do you see it? And then change it?

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Speaker 2: So he built a multi million dollar lab called the

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Speaker 2: Breaker Space at MIT, and the class pairs weekly lectures

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Speaker 2: on topics like coffee chemistry, or the anatomy and composition

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Speaker 2: of a coffee bean, or the effects of roasting and

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Speaker 2: the brewing process with tasting sessions.

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Speaker 3: Yes, please, wait, he.

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Speaker 6: Built this whole lab just for the coffee class.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to pretend. Yes, I imagine MIT has some other

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Speaker 2: uses for so I hope. So I'm going to pretend

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Speaker 2: this is just for this coffee.

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Speaker 4: Class, because that'll be next on the topping block. Mit,

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Speaker 4: you better watch out.

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Speaker 3: Probably hold on to that that coffee lab while you can.

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Speaker 2: Students use equipment like digital optical microscopes to examine ground

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Speaker 2: coffee particles. In one experiment, he and his students used

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Speaker 2: an electron microscope and an infrared spectrometer to research weather.

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Speaker 2: Microwaving your coffee physically makes it worse and it does.

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Speaker 6: Oh interesting, that is Yeah, that's news.

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Speaker 7: You can use instinctively, you know that it does do that,

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Speaker 7: but it's nice to have scientific backing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: As a nice coffee drinker, this is never a problem

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Speaker 2: for me, but my parents.

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Speaker 3: This is my parents ritual.

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Speaker 2: My parents my dad every morning, anybody want a dunk,

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Speaker 2: I'm going for a dunkin run right, okay, So he

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Speaker 2: runs off, gets us all dunks. My parents get hot

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Speaker 2: medium coffees. They drink it so slowly that they need

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Speaker 2: to nuke it like twice or three times. Yeah, over

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Speaker 6: That's sad. I mean, I do like no offense.

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Speaker 4: I do really like hot coffee when it's cold outside,

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Speaker 4: and I but I am so so sensitive to the temperature,

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Speaker 4: Like if it goes below a certain temperature, I'm offended

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and so I do.

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Speaker 4: And also like having young kids, you know, you constantly

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Speaker 4: leave your coffee out, and so I am microwaving it

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Speaker 4: like much more than your parents, like five or six

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Speaker 4: times on like a weekend, you know, weekdays, I'm chugging that.

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine how bad that coffee is.

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Speaker 4: By the way, I know, I'm curious, like what I

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Speaker 4: would love to see, like a some sort of graph.

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Speaker 3: We need to put it to the test in this class.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, Lauren, I'm like you. I also prefer hot coffee.

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry to Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But I don't have to apologize to me because you

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Speaker 2: like your coffee high.

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Speaker 7: But I will say, so I got I was excited

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Speaker 7: because I got a thermist. It's like there is a

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Speaker 7: technology that exists to keep liquids warm. But I will

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Speaker 7: say I didn't enjoy drinking out of it because it

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Speaker 7: had like a metallic it was like metallic inside, and

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Speaker 2: Another scientific class, we perform that experiment, Derek.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I wish I what I want. I don't

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Speaker 5: know if it exists.

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Speaker 7: Is like a like a ceramic thermist or you know

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Speaker 7: something where like it's it's very neutral, doesn't do anything

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Speaker 7: keeps it nice and warm.

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Speaker 5: That's what I That's what I want the scientist to

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Speaker 6: Well, okay, I'm i tea. You have your challenge.

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Speaker 3: Come on there you go science, So you have to

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Speaker 3: take these cough you know I should audit it. I'll

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to teach it.

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Speaker 1: Right, You do the chemistry part.

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Speaker 2: I'll do the taste of Okay, next talking coffee news.

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Speaker 3: Weren't awesome enough. Listen what they're going to give you

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Speaker 3: But like, oh my god, all you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that is amazing.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this job sounds I feel like the fact

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Speaker 4: that they listed just two events would be suspect, Like

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Speaker 4: state localities, but you know whatever, I feel like the

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Speaker 4: fact that you're getting paid for that. See, that sounds

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Speaker 4: like a good addition to your resume.

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Speaker 5: Go.

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Speaker 2: I drive around nowhere, like you know, I don't have

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Speaker 2: to go to the cool festivals I'll go to your

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Speaker 2: mom's house.

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Speaker 3: I'll go anywhere you tell me to go.

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Speaker 1: Paying me.

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Speaker 2: I get health insurance and all the coffee I can drink.

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Speaker 3: That's incredible.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that does sound amazing.

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Speaker 7: So you're basically this job? Is it like a brand ambassador?

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Speaker 7: Where you go and you're like promoting this particular.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and do you know how you promote it?

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Speaker 2: Derek?

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Speaker 5: By drinks in front of you drinking it.

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Speaker 1: By drinking again, just.

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Speaker 5: Strike up conversation with people. Oh you know, how's it going? Oh?

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Speaker 7: Let me just hold this cup really close to your

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Speaker 5: Yummy, job done. Job that does sound.

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Speaker 6: Pretty great, fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Where were these jobs when I was twenty and so

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Speaker 3: Like, where was this job?

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Speaker 7: Well, you wouldn't have qualified at that time because you

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Speaker 3: Apparently that's true. Well, I was twenty one when I graduated.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I was twenty Okay, and I think I had

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Speaker 2: record because I never drove. Okay, here's here's a bit,

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Speaker 6: So we're escalating. We're on the up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought we were.

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Speaker 3: We're going to end on the up. This is just

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Speaker 2: Someone who identifies as an integrated lifestyle coach on social

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Speaker 2: media already suspect has issued the following command. A person

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Speaker 3: You have to have water first, then.

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Speaker 2: Breakfast, then coffee to be the healthiest. Apparently having coffee

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Speaker 3: Also, he is not a medical.

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Speaker 6: Doctor, let's just say this first.

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Speaker 2: He also very rudely says that sugar or syrup in

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Speaker 3: Which is also against I mean, I think we can

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Speaker 4: I definitely drink water first, but I drink coffee second.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, breakfast doesn't come.

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Speaker 3: Close, and sometimes in place of breakfast.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know this doesn't really exist, but coffee.

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Speaker 2: Can we normalize coffee as the meal? Can we normalize

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Speaker 7: So just to be clear, so this person is claiming

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Speaker 6: Yeah, crazy, that's insane.

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Speaker 4: Is it just that, like it doesn't absorb into anything?

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Speaker 4: Is there like a medical.

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Speaker 1: Decentem dive the science of them?

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Speaker 3: Because I dissed it immediately.

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Speaker 5: It's not even worth it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you don't even need to deep dive because it's

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Speaker 4: But I do think anyone who wakes up and doesn't

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Speaker 6: Might be a little man.

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Speaker 2: I also wake up with water because I take a

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Speaker 3: It's morning, a large gulf of water. So I do

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Speaker 4: Your bedtime mouth before you get that first beautiful taste

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's true, true, it's true.

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Speaker 1: I'm not against that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I want my coffee pretty much right away,

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Speaker 2: pretty much, absolutely, absolutely, and definitely before food.

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Speaker 6: I can't even think about food.

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Speaker 7: Say, we talked about Brazil earlier. The word breakfast in

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Speaker 7: Portuguese in Brazil is cafe de mallel, which is more

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Speaker 7: eating coffee wrapping knowledge. Yeah, so it's like boom, breakfast

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Speaker 7: and coffee go together. Like dissassination in Brazil.

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Speaker 6: That makes so much now that you shared that fun fact.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're dismissing this. We're not going to get

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Speaker 2: bummed about it because I don't believe all that is

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Speaker 3: I do have positive coffee news for you.

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Speaker 2: Boulder, Colorado coffee shops are joining together to offer something

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Speaker 2: called hanging coffees.

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Speaker 3: It's not a euphemism for weed. It's coffees.

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Speaker 2: Shops are installing hanging coffee walls, which allow paying customers

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Speaker 2: to prepay for coffees and treats for homeless people and

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Speaker 2: other people in need. So there's a wall of like

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Speaker 2: coupons that other people have paid for, and if you

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Speaker 2: need one, you grab a coupon off the wall for

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Speaker 2: say a cup of coffee, and you bring it to

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Speaker 3: Isn't that so nice? I love that Genius's genius?

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Speaker 6: Where is this taking place? Colorado?

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Speaker 3: Boulder, Colorado?

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Speaker 6: Nice?

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Speaker 3: And all the coffee shops are sort of like coming together.

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Speaker 2: To do this so cute as a community, which is

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Speaker 3: But I love this idea, and.

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Speaker 2: You know how, sometimes I don't know if this is

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Speaker 2: like a Boston thing. But like I grew up, if

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Speaker 2: a cop was behind you, you bought their coffee.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's just that's what you do. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if that's everywhere.

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Speaker 2: You see it in the in the drive through, you

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Speaker 2: do it too, Like you can get the person behind

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Speaker 2: you the cops coffee.

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Speaker 3: But I'm always looking to buy someone's coffee.

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Speaker 2: Who needs coffee because I'm a coffee and evangelist and

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Speaker 2: bring you coffee, I understand, but like I.

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Speaker 3: Want to buy you a cup of coffee.

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Speaker 2: When I was working in Philly, you guys, remember I

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Speaker 2: I went to to grab my my salad every lunch.

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Speaker 2: And he was a lovely man and I always said hi,

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Speaker 2: and I would most days come out with a cup

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Speaker 2: of coffee for him.

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Speaker 1: Assuming he wanted one.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even ask.

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Speaker 2: I just assumed you'll want a cup of coffee. Did

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Speaker 2: he receive it? And he was always very grateful. But

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Speaker 2: if there were a system in a shop to be like,

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Speaker 2: can I buy five coffees?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just put them upon the wall, I so do that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's very sweet way to go Boulder.

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Speaker 2: And you know it's it's twofold because it's not just

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Speaker 2: cold and you have nowhere to go, a lot of

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Speaker 2: places require you to buy.

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Speaker 3: Something to sit there and enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: Well, this way you can come in from the cold

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Speaker 2: or or a treat or a snack that someone has

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Speaker 2: prepaid for, and stay as long as you need. I

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Speaker 2: love that these are creative solutions to endemic problems.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's very sweet, very clever.

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Speaker 3: Yay, I might tell my local coffee shop.

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Speaker 6: I know we should spread the word.

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Speaker 4: There's so many coffee shops, they can all work together

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Speaker 3: Maybe all Maybe I'll what is it, flagpole?

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Speaker 6: What is it?

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Speaker 3: Then raise it up the flagpole?

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, talk to your security friend, Yes, raise the

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Speaker 4: Duncan flag.

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Speaker 3: I'll say, I got an idea for you.

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Speaker 7: Just have your duncan friend let you in and build

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Speaker 7: this wall yourself. And then the next day the manager

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Speaker 7: opens up the door and it's like, oh, the the

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Speaker 7: Duncan fairy came last night.

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Speaker 5: I guess we have a new tradition.

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Speaker 3: I love that you're imagining my guys like with keys.

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Speaker 3: This guy is like ahead of morprint like security, Like

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Speaker 3: he doesn't have the keys to head.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't.

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Speaker 6: I also like a huge key ring.

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Speaker 5: Every key of everyone.

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Speaker 3: I love how we're picturing him with the big janitor keys.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you into the big building, Essie.

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Speaker 1: You go do what you gotta do in there.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the reason the news that's fit to sip

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Speaker 2: for this talking coffee.

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Speaker 5: Okay, ready to ready to have another sip?

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Speaker 6: Love it? That filled me up?

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Speaker 2: Ah well, Lauren, good luck getting back to real coffee.

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Speaker 6: I hope that happened. Thank you, thank you. Thanks, tomorrow's

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Speaker 6: my day. It's gonna happen here.

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